No one really talks about parts availability and how much it blows
Posted by mocoyne@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 413 comments
It's been interesting to watch cars that don't feel that old start to move toward "classic." I'm talking about all of the 90s and early 2000s cars that millennials grew up with and are now buying as fun second or third cars. But what has already started happening in a fairly dramatic way, and what really sucks the fun out of ownership is parts availability drying up.
In the last year I've sold both an e39 m5, and a c5 z06. Both great cars.. representing the peak intersection of "old school" and "new school" that people are starting to chase. But what really tainted the ownership experience was the increasing difficulty of part sourcing. Before I sold the m5 I went through and replaced all of the rubber under the intake manifold and around the ITBs. I was told at the parts counter that some of the molded hoses were down to single digit availability in the WORLD.
The C5 was even worse. GM's corvette support is surprisingly dog shit. You would think they'd keep everything in supply to allow for restoration but they seem to rely on the aftermarket to fill that void.
It's really making me think twice about what other cars I'd like to own. I enjoy keeping my cars nice, replacing small things as the my wear out. The dried up parts problem makes that sometimes impossible. I don't really enjoy scouring eBay for parts that I should be able to grab at the dealer. Have others noticed this? I assume some cars are worse than others.
peoplearekindaokay@reddit
Hell it's even happening with much newer vehicles. Many manufacturers (including a good chunk of stellantis) are starting to discontinue parts on vehicle models as recent as 2019. Even critical bits like SRS components and engine mounts.
Happyjarboy@reddit
There is no monetary reason for Chevy to stock C5 parts.
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
I think there’s plenty reason to make it easy for people to restore and maintain your most collectible, identifiable, and important model.
Happyjarboy@reddit
No business reason.
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
Very much a business reason. No different from the business reason of selling spare parts to begin with, on top of the marketing and brand value.
Happyjarboy@reddit
First of all, selling spare parts is required by Federal law for the first 7 years. After that, they only do it if there is money to be made, and there isn't on some 20 year old car that had a very low sales volume. Just go to O'Reilly's.
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
As mentioned elsewhere in here Porsche and Mercedes do this. Easy way to show support for the halo car of your brand with an enormous audience. They sell far more corvettes than 911s.
O’Reillys carries spark plugs and air filters. Not weather stripping and windshields.
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
Oh yea I forgot to mention the cottage industry for individual saviors each model tends to have.
Like some guy named “Gary” who rebuilds your factory head unit and ships it back to you after the capacitors inevitably take a dump and you can no longer adjust fan speed.
Shout out to all the Garys out there.
CrazyErniesUsedCars@reddit
The Volvo community has some guy in like Michigan or something that rebuilds all the failed ABS modules
lermandude@reddit
These dudes are some of the most interesting (and almost always eccentric) people and they pop up for every hobby with a technical side like firearms, vintage appliances, bicycles, old tools of any ilk, the list is endless
1988rx7T2@reddit
Had a guy rebuilding warning clusters and headlight switches on 80s Rx-7s. Unfortunately he died suddenly so that supply of rebuilt units dried up.
Hugh_Louis_Dewey@reddit
on the topic does anyone have a source for a gary that rebuilds 1999 lexus lx470 cluster gagues?
There isnt much info out there, especially since the early models tended to have more robust clusters so finding any info is difficult.
aprtur@reddit
Depends on what's wrong with it, but maybe Tanin in the US, or Soarer Surgeon if he's willing to take on something outside of the older units he usually works on.
Hugh_Louis_Dewey@reddit
Ive sent an inqury with Tanin so im just waiting on them but this is the first time ive heard soarer. Ill def check him/them out. I apprecite it.
aprtur@reddit
He's in New Zealand, but does really quality work. I know a bunch of people with imported RHD Toyotas in the US who have sent things to him and been really pleased with the results. Happy to give another recommendation.
not_rdburman@reddit
Try the LS forums. There's not too many Lexus Garys unfortunately but the good thing about Porsche and BMW is there are many Garys
Hugh_Louis_Dewey@reddit
Dang I was hoping there would be more garys for the LX470 (lancruisers). Im selling my e70 x5 just because of all the issues im running into. Ive for the most part fixed all of them but its a never ending pit, love the car (the heavy steering is the best) but Im finding less and less time to fix the damn car the busier I am getting. So lexus it is.
no_clever_names@reddit
RIP Icemark
aprtur@reddit
Holys**t, I haven't seen that handle in forever...I didn't realize he passed.
1988rx7T2@reddit
for sure
FSCK_Fascists@reddit
Quality wiring harnesses for Fiero engine swaps ended the same way. One guy, a retired aircraft harness maker, was hand making these for a few common swaps. They were cheap-ish at $500, and very high quality. Then he passed away. Now its a crap shoot what you will get if you don't want to roll your own.
saturnuranusmars@reddit
'Passed away'
Rattle_Can@reddit
guys like these aren't supposed to die
Dear_Watson@reddit
Old guys with autism. Every hobby has one that provides an essential service or product for cheaper than expected
TheOneRickSanchez@reddit
Exactly what I was thinking too.
thetoigo@reddit
There is a guy in Wisconsin fixing the capacitors on the boards for old arcade CRT monitors for a very fair price. He's probably kept over one thousand of them out of the landfill and it's awesome to keep them alive for kids and adults to play.
InstructionSea9965@reddit
I do that too and have been in the arcade collecting hobby since 2005. I’ve also got 30 machines in the wild still making a little side $$
Hot-Vegetable3423@reddit
These type of people with insane arcane esoteric knowledge as well as the skill set to keep supply of specific parts in existence deserve a good living
gautamasiddhartha@reddit
There’s an awesome one for Ibanez guitars that has every discontinued old part under the sun, has helped me out in a pinch a few times
Buffyoh@reddit
There's a guy in SC who rebuilds Sharp Wizards. They were great pocket organizers and linked with PC's.
Conscious-Lobster60@reddit
Zarus > Wizard
vantageviewpoint@reddit
Having to rebuild every old Volvo cpu would make me eccentric, too.
doggos4house2020@reddit
They’re always borderline crazy and will have you on the phone for a hilarious amount of time if you end up calling for support.
People like that are responsible for keeping certain vehicles alive. Even in a professional shop we’ve utilized services from them vs. condemning the vehicle and sending it off to the junkyard.
Sfekke22@reddit
I need a guy like that for my Ford Probe, the ABS unit has gone haywire and even going to a Bosch specialist in the Netherlands I was told this :
"We threw out all the equipment to read out these old units a few months back.. sorry."
Wheel speed sensors are NLA, expensive and might fix the problem. Yanking the fuse works for now.
1988rx7T2@reddit
As someone who works for a big supplier of these kinds of systems, basically the supply chain dries up. They do a last time build for service parts and then shut down production.
Sfekke22@reddit
It does make sense, nothing's meant to last forever but perhaps some (myself included) grow overly attached to our vehicles.
I proposed to my partner on a road trip with a motorcycle that's now nearing 40 years old.
Can't, won't and will never let it go. Sentimentally speaking it's part of a moment in life I never wish to forget.
When critical parts like bearings, one-off switches and collector pipes become unavailable it's difficult to keep things rolling smoothly.
HalfFrozenSpeedos@reddit
Bearings - check size - replace with SKF, timken, koyo, ntn etc I hear you though (I am in the process of rebuilding a gpz900r and the parts catalogues are littered with NLA (Thankfully Kawasaki used the same basic engine design for the next 3 decades so often you can heath Robinson something from parts from a later bike (often that performs better) My fear is the fuel tank, particularly as the bottom is untreated steel.... Said tank is now unobtanium, used ones are getting stupidly priced, company in Japan did build new ones but they were close to or in excess of 4 figures. Thought I found a company in Wales who could do one but they don't do Kawasaki stuff for some reason and made it obvious it wasn't a job they wanted :-( shame as they did some nice alloy tanks.... Thing should go better than new once im done though - all the wheel, steering and suspension bearings have been replaced, new rear shock from hagon, more modern tyres, better brake pads and a new to me HEL radial master cylinder
Deadlight44@reddit
They make kits to coat the inside... I've seen it last on a car for 10yrs and still good when sold. I'd do something like acid that the rust or go down the rabbit hole of best was to clean inside the tank. Good luck 👍
HalfFrozenSpeedos@reddit
Thanks It's ok for the moment thankfully....though ethanol laced fuel isn't going to help, and I have to keep on top of the underside of the tank as Kawasaki didn't bother to use something like zintec so keeping the paint on the underside in good condition is imperative to prevent corrosion getting a foot in the door
NathanScott94@reddit
Good luck with all that, I'm working on my own basket case R1, and I probably got the least sold generation with only 2 model years, it's been a real PITA to get some things.
klde@reddit
The airbag modules on these are another big issues that as far as I know no fix has really been found for.
Sfekke22@reddit
I read that as well, it's a shame because in Belgium an ABS light that's on makes it fail inspection.
Every other year when it's due, we fiddle and get it to work just long enough to pass.
Car's otherwise rust free, stock and completely intact..
Deadlight44@reddit
Pull bulb? Wire to ignition start position if bulb check is required. Idk I'd get creative with that one...
Sfekke22@reddit
Plan D, wire the bulb to the oil pressure light. It needs to come on or they knew its tampered with but if it’s wired as such, nobody knows :)
p3dal@reddit
If it’s the same airbag module used in the 91 Miata, there are rebuild guides out there. Inevitably it will be mostly replacing leaky electrolytic capacitors and maybe a thermal fuse. It’s basically the same as rebuilding any other electronics from the 70s-90s, but it is low margin work so not many people do it.
Conscious-Lobster60@reddit
It doesn’t use the same stuff as the 626/MX-6?
Sfekke22@reddit
For a lot of it yes, haven’t been able to find much on how similar the wheel speed sensors are but it’s Plan C! If I remember right it also uses similar headlights to an RX-7, don’t quote me on that though.
mikkowus@reddit
Become that guy. And make some YouTube videos so if you suddenly die, someone else can do it.
Sfekke22@reddit
I'm planning to once my move is finished, I'll have an actual workshop and space to work on projects.
So much knowledge is lost online, being both IT and car/motorcycle savvy seems like a really handy combo.
Bonerchill@reddit
There is a Brit who has the equipment, I guarantee it.
You just need to find what other cars he works on and a recent review from an obscure forum.
Sfekke22@reddit
I don’t doubt it :)
It’s a matter of finding time and money to get things moving again but scrubbing Facebook groups tends to get dig up info as well. Lots of posts on owner’s groups have really useful comments.
not_rdburman@reddit
I would take a bullet for Volvo's Gary from Michigan. God bless that man
retrogamin@reddit
How about the guy that just travels around fixing everyone’s Volvos? He’s the real hero.
womens_motocross@reddit
RobertDIY is the true legend
retrogamin@reddit
YEAH! That’s him. He’s a champ.
kilroy-was-here-2543@reddit
Theirs a shop in Florida that somehow managed to find a replacement PCM module for 05-06 TJs. They like to take a dump prematurely and their was essentially no replacement, until these guys found a different PCM they could program to run in TJs
ShireHorseRider@reddit
Can you share the info for this Florida guy? I have an 06 tj with 65k miles on it & should probably put a spare PCM on the shelf for when mine grenades….
kilroy-was-here-2543@reddit
Wranglerfix.com
If you’re looking for other info, Wranglertjforum.com. The guy that runs Wramgler fix is pretty active on the forum and theirs a bunch of other super knowledgeable guys on that page. I think anyone who owns a TJ should have an account on the forum
ShireHorseRider@reddit
Heading there now! Thank you.
kilroy-was-here-2543@reddit
Totally!
CorvetteGoZoom@reddit
There's a guy in Arizona who is the only person rebuilding and supplying parts for 89-96 Corvette transmissions.
seantaiphoon@reddit
He's had his hands on mine!
BagBoiJoe@reddit
Before standalone systems were widely available, the datsun Z community had a dude in Arizona who could take a Bosch ECU and geek it to your RPM and fuel delivery specs by soldering in different capacitors and resistors, and jumping certain IC legs and shit like that. Insane.
naturalchorus@reddit
There is a guy for the 350z convertible top motors.
benmarvin@reddit
Shout-out to Wagonmeister that refurbishes Volvo 240 gauge clusters.
womens_motocross@reddit
Dont forget about the volvo guy in colorado who rebuilds all the AWD driveshafts....
PilotBorn6137@reddit
What did you buy after the M5 / C5?
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
Model 3 performance
wirebrushfan@reddit
I sell OEM GMC parts at a dealership. The reason things get discontinued is the lack of sales. Gm isn't going to continue stocking parts that never get sold. Let's say you need a seat belt for a 2006 corvette. When GM sold the last one in stock a year ago, they look at sales history and it hadn't sold for two years prior. Why would they re-order? If the vendor requires a minimum buy of 50, they end up with 100 years worth of stock. That's not sustainable.
Especially with a niche car like a corvette. Even something that was everywhere, like a water pump for a 4.3 v6. Fits s10, 1500 pickup, g van, astro van, etc. I've never had someone ask for one in 10 years.
zombie-yellow11@reddit
And then there's Honda. I get almost all my parts for my 1993 Accord straight from the dealership lol and I can rebuild the entire car through Rockauto if I want to !
caterham09@reddit
Even Honda is not perfect. Parts for an original NSX can be very rare/expensive.
Iirc starters for those cars basically all have to be rebuilt instead of replaced because you can't get a new one. Same with most interior pieces. Engine components are almost all aftermarket as well because that was the only car they ever put that engine in.
agray20938@reddit
IIRC, Honda's default policy is "continue making replacement parts for 15 years after a model ends production," then with only a few exceptions where there is still a lot of demand for it. There was enough demand for OEM spare parts for the Beat (in addition to some Honda employees in Japan pushing for it) that they restarted production after several years, but I'd imagine there just aren't enough NSXs out there for them to deal with it.
caterham09@reddit
Yeah worldwide they sold less than 19,000 NSX's over the 15 year production run.
imped4now@reddit
NSX and S2000 parts are becoming difficult to source, FYI.
matt675@reddit
Not the S2000 😭
IcameforthePie@reddit
Oh yeah. Back in 2019 I bought the one of the last side window trim piece sets available in the US for my old AP2. I believe those specific parts have been restocked, but there are a lot of small parts on that car that are becoming super rare.
It was a low volume car. It doesn't make sense to continue producing certain parts.
eneka@reddit
On the other hand I've seen RDXs getting totaled by insurace companies cause they don't want to pay for the 40+day rental car while they wait for a new hood lol.
spongebob_meth@reddit
You're running into it here too though. You can no longer buy new B series distributors from Honda. Parts or whole.
shwaynebrady@reddit
Suppliers and OEMs have contracts for how long parts will be supported for. After that period is up, whatever’s currently in circulation, either at a distributor or dealership inventory, is all that’s left.
Bosch isn’t going to keep the tools, dies, molds etc for a water pump originally made in 1995 for 30 years.
Sometimes they’ll sell/license the “line” to another smaller manufacturing facility that will continue to support. But usually the best you’ll get is some shop in China with reverse engineer the part and you have to hope it’s actually to spec.
FesteringNeonDistrac@reddit
Some of that is the aftermarket has addressed it. Like I'm not going to the dealer for a 4.3 waterpump, I'm going on rock auto and picking one of the 20 options at half the price.
nujabes02@reddit
I feel attacked
wirebrushfan@reddit
Sir, that car is almost 20 years old. You can get antique plates soon.
nujabes02@reddit
My radiator cracked recently so those are $400 which isn’t too bad , but I’ve seen on fb people had issues with other parts which are rarer for sure
require_borgor@reddit
To be fair people with a 30 year old 4.3 probably aren't going OEM from the dealership when their water pump kicks it
osya77@reddit
Every Peugeot person in the states I think has had to order parts from "Rob in Dallas"
Random_Introvert_42@reddit
The folding-roof BMW Z4 had a big issue where the roof-position sensor would unalive itself, and without its input the "failsafe" was to lock the roof. If it was shut at that time, great, you now got a coupe. If it was half-open....sucks to be you. If it was open, the car would have "locking bolts" keeping it in the trunk, designed to make the roof stay put in a rollover. Problem 1: The roof control module is UNDER the roof when it's open. Problem 2: BMW Bought the whole thing, roof, control unit and all, from a supplier and just "dropped it in". So if you went to BMW with your perma-open Z4, they'd cut the car open, cut the roof out of the car, remove the remains, bolt a new one in, weld the car back together, done.
Some enthusiast in Bavaria grabbed a crashed Z4 and built a control-module that can talk to the roof-module to unlock it without needing any cutting or anything. BMW declined. So now the guy spends his free time travelling all over Germany/Europe unlocking roofs so people don't have to cut their cars open (if BMW even still offers new roof-units).
julienjj@reddit
Which z4 ? they all have folding roof, only the E89 is a hard top.
Random_Introvert_42@reddit
E89
"Folding roof" was meant in contrast to a soft top roof. And (iirc) the E89 was the only one with a "hard" roof that folded away.
coffeeshopslut@reddit
That's so BMW
revvolutions@reddit
So BMW LMAO.
Congrats on your new frankencoupe. Let me get my tin snips.
PGleo86@reddit
By this logic, at least half of the SVX community is "Gary" lol - we're in full on improv mode on a lot of things, and while often parts are out there, usually it's one guy who heard there were like 50 left in the country and bought them all just in case.
gimpwiz@reddit
What parts did you find unobtanium for the C5? Other than the TAC module and the APP sensor. Yours wouldn't have had the EBCM issue.
xj98jeep@reddit
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c5-general/4563205-c5-parts-no-longer-available.html
gimpwiz@reddit
Thanks!
Some of those have good aftermarket replacements, some can be easily fabbed, and some are utter unobtanium.
xj98jeep@reddit
Yep, if you can find me a new HUD windshield for a c5 I'll do... A lot
gimpwiz@reddit
Oh damn, are those unobtanium too? I have a HUD. I better not get any cracks.
TyburnCross@reddit
ZJ (93-98) Grand Cherokees have a dude with an AOL EMAIL ADDRESS as their savior. Fucking shout outs to Kolak.
xj98jeep@reddit
LMAO I don't wanna dox myself but my dad does the same thing for a group of cars. He's 79 years old, his business logo is total dogshit (obviously a small, compressed jpg he increased in size), and he's the only guy in the US that does it.
He used a Compuserv email address until they shutdown in like, 2010 or 2015. Checks only, no CC.
4x420@reddit
get inkscape and make him a vector image.
xj98jeep@reddit
Meh, marketing doesn't really matter where he's at. He's literally the only guy that does it in the US, and it's a small, tightly woven market so 99% of the business is from word of mouth.
Funkytadualexhaust@reddit
Shout out to Cliff and Randy for pontiac trans ams.
Notonfoodstamps@reddit
I have a Saab & Volvo. Dudes out in Michigan if I’m not mistaken. Crazy how small the world is lmao
Charming-Loan-1924@reddit
Isn’t there like an old Saab dealership and I think New Jersey where the owner kept it open and hired Saab specialist and turned it into a regular shop?
Thanks9527@reddit
This reminds me the Saab dealership group in Taiwan refuses to close its doors after Saab went bankrupt. Kept its doors open and sells used & refurbished Saabs and provided repair and services.
Serious dedication.
Charming-Loan-1924@reddit
That is a hell of a boss for not taking the money and Ronnie. I’m glad he’s keeping his doors open and keeping his employees employee and those guys don’t have to use the wheels on their toolbox. Been there done that it’s not first n
woolash@reddit
When I was a kid my brother has a 2-stroke saab. There was a dump a few miles out of town with about 20 old saabs, not many other cars. An incredible source of free parts.
Notonfoodstamps@reddit
Either Swedish Auto Sports or Swedish Connections. I forgot which one. I’m in MD so I’m shuffling my cars to local DC shops
Charming-Loan-1924@reddit
Yeah, I thought that was pretty cool and pretty ingenious on his part to keep his doors open and keep his guys paid.
No-Definition1474@reddit
I know it's not the same as this is aftermarket parts, but there is ONE dude who makes an actually well made exhaust bypass valve/pipe kit that doesn't shit out after a year or two. Multiple big brands make shitty ones in China and they ALL fail in short order. This one dude makes them as a side job so you pay to order a spot in line. When he's ready to make yours you get an email to pay the rest and then it ships.
AndroidUser37@reddit
What's this guy's name? I was considering getting an exhaust valve at some point.
No-Definition1474@reddit
Lookup 'noweeds'. Its a goofy name and the kit is about a grand, but they're supposed to be ultra robust and long lasting.
m3t1t1@reddit
Although you can still get head units for GTRs, they are pricey. There's literally one guy in Europe that rebuilds them for a fraction of the price.
DudeWhereIsMyDuduk@reddit
There's a dude in Hungary single-handedly keeping La Pavoni espresso machines from the 1960s going because sometime in the '80s they changed the heater element mounting and the new ones don't thread into the first generation ones.
Keep stuff long enough and you'll find all sorts of weird side industries spring up.
TheAdobeEmpire@reddit
there's a guy who re-solders bad caps on Suzuki Sidekick/Geotracker ECUS
Just_some_n00b@reddit
Shoutout Billman and Puddy in the s2k community
disgruntled_derp@reddit
Lol Gary here, You're welcome! late '60s to late '70s Ford truck parts restoration and crossover is my specialty.
-seabass@reddit
X300 Jaguars have a guy on the forums named Andy who was an engineer at Jaguar and who kept the copter equipment required to reprogram the car’s various modules.
ramdmc@reddit
I had an 81 Scirocco and had to sell it because restoring it would be more expensive than restoring a 69 Camaro. At the time I was relying on NoS pieces and even those were like hens teeth
trivletrav@reddit
Bless these people, and fuck corpos discontinuing items.
klde@reddit
I've been into ford probes for over 20 years, same story. Aftermarket is mostly dead and those of us still left all know eachother and who to go to for different things. I see people on the reddit and fb groups to this day that I remember from the early 2000's from when the forums were active. People 3d printing parts, figuring out what parts from other cars will fit them.
PlatinumElement@reddit
After dealing with parts sourcing for old Japanese cars, owning Porsche 911’s feels like the ultimate cheat code. You can find practically anything for them, oftentimes directly through Porsche.
TheCrudMan@reddit
The Miata has been fairly easy because Mazda put parts back in production.
IcameforthePie@reddit
The aftermarket is also huge and non-OEM replacement parts generally appear to be similar quality to OEM parts and are quite cheap, at least for now. My experience with my current NC2 build has been really refreshing compared to my experience with sourcing replacement parts for the 2007 S2000 I previously owned for a close to a decade.
Carrera_996@reddit
You do not exaggerate. When I first started talking about Porsche ownership, the first thing other car guys would say is that the parts are super expensive. Nope. Dirt fucking cheap. Obviously, shit like a whole engine might get stupid, but at least you can get one!
EicherDiesel@reddit
The last parts I looked up for a Porsche was a new belt and pulleys for a 997 Turbo. +300€ for a small run of the mill idler pulley is not cheap and you'll need two of em.
But I get why parts for old cars can be pricey, as a manufacturer you can either make a huge stock of em that will last you forever (high initial cost) and then have to pay for storing this old inventory or keep a more reasonable stock that lasts for a couple of years and then try to get the part reproduced. Hope you still got the old tools and drawings and find some supplier willing to make a small batch run. Again pricey.
Carrera_996@reddit
This summer, I replaced a tensioner pulley on my 996 for a whopping $80.
EicherDiesel@reddit
OEM ordered from Porsche? Cause the price I mentioned was for exactly that, I'm pretty sure it'd be available aftermarket for a much more reasonable sum.
agray20938@reddit
Not sure about belts and pulleys specifically, but a good 30% of parts for my 996 Turbo are just rebadged Bosch, which can be found for far less.
Just as a random example, the OEM alternator is Bosch, but on Pelican the Bosch version is $386, and the "Porsche Genuine Parts" version is $2k.
EicherDiesel@reddit
I know I can get this stuff far cheaper by getting the non Porsche branded stuff but I felt this discussion was about Porsches great OEM parts support, not aftermarket :)
Which they do, their Porsche classic line covers almost everything but it comes at a cost. Hence why I stated the price of the last part I looked up.
Carrera_996@reddit
Naw man, Pelican Parts
Wonderful_Device312@reddit
Porsche actually has a policy of making sure all their parts stay available*. Things may go out of stock but Porsche Classic takes requests and publishes a list of which parts they'll be doing another production run of. In theory eventually anything should be available.
Salt-Plankton436@reddit
Massive respect for porsche for doing that and massive disrespect to other brands because they're turning down profit and making owners lives harder
Spencie61@reddit
I have never had an issue finding things for my 986. Porsche’s commitment to making parts for their cars is part of why I chose it over its contemporaries
Rihsatra@reddit
Pelican Parts was a blessing for me for finding 944 parts.
Carrera_996@reddit
Love Pelican. Ignition switch: $25.00
Rihsatra@reddit
That reminded me that I replaced the ignition switch in my 944. Most of the time it was my only car so I needed it to work and I was learning as I went with it. I feel like I wouldn't be phased to do a simple switch now but everything made me nervous back then.
PlatinumElement@reddit
Seriously. I had to replace the oem chin spoiler on both my 911 turbo and my BRZ tS, and the 911’s cost $80 LESS than the BRZ.
notafilmmajor425@reddit
Just bought a window regulator. $130 for the part. Not bad at all
MJather@reddit
By old Japanese cars are you partly referring to your s30z? Because I have no trouble finding basically anything for mine. What has stumped you?
Definitely understand it with the more obscure stuff though.
agray20938@reddit
True, though AFAIK, Nissan doesn't actually make all that many parts for s30 Z's these days, but they are straightforward enough that there's reproductions and usually some aftermarket options. E.g., a 240z with an actual Nissan dashboard is practically a unicorn these days
ineyeseekay@reddit
I had a 91 Camry that I finally sold due to scarcity of parts. Just rando stuff outside of the drivetrain that made it not fun anymore, especially since finding a Camry of this gen in a junkyard is like a once a year event anymore.
PlatinumElement@reddit
Of all my Japanese cars, the Z is amazingly easy. The AE86, A70, and S13 are only doable due to my network of friends in Japan.
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
Ive heard that as well. Makes me more interested in Porsche
4x420@reddit
seriously, theres a company that makes leather CV boot cover covers. for Baja/safari type stuff.
Duct_tape_bandit@reddit
Fun fact you can replace hoses with any hose
Salt-Plankton436@reddit
Do they have the same part numbers as oem or a model number or what? How do you know you get the right one
mustangfan12@reddit
Sometimes you have to measure the hose size and cut it yourself, it's not that hard
PilotBorn6137@reddit
I'd have thought a C5 would have a crazy plentiful amount of parts and sources for parts. That's disappointing to hear...
0_1_1_2_3_5@reddit
I’ve got an m5 and haven’t had any issues.
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
Have you replaced all your bushings and ball joints, engine, diff and trans mounts, sway bar bushings, subframe bushings, etc.? I’m actually meticulous and I agree with the OP. Parts are hard to find for S2000s and they sold 67k of these cars in North America. Rear calipers are hard to find, control arms are prohibitively expensive, some hardware doesn’t even exist, like VTEC solenoids.
Most ppl with old cars barely maintain them and think their cars are in good condition when all the rubber is original. “But I got a PPI!” Yes, and they didn’t tell you what you didn’t want to hear. Cars as old as these basically have to be rebuilt from the ground up. All rubber has a shelf-life of 5-10 years, that’s it. Rubber lasts longer the more it’s used so low mileage examples tend to have drier and firmer bushings, and inner gaskets tend to dry-rot and leak fuel or oil.
But that’s what old car ownership is.
Specialist-Size9368@reddit
They made more S2000's than total viper production, morgan 3 wheelers, and ferrari mondials combined.
You know why rear calipers are hard to find? Because almost no one ever replaces a stock caliper so there is no incentive for anyone to make or stock them.
IcameforthePie@reddit
S2000 calipers are also very easy to rebuild and it's not hard to find rebuilt calipers for sale.
I don't think they're in high demand either. I gave my spares away to a friend with a track car so he wouldn't have any serious downtime if he ever had to rebuild his rears.
Specialist-Size9368@reddit
I could say the same about stock rear viper calipers, no one wants them. You cant find them nos, but you can't give away the stock rears. Lot of stock parts no one wants. Stock wheels and exhausts can go on that list. Someone who wants a stock car buys one that way. Most people are too interested in modding them.
0_1_1_2_3_5@reddit
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that some holier-than-thou douchebag would reply with something like this.
The answer is yes, I have replaced all that crap, and a whole lot more.
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
No, it cannot be sleeved. The pistons are aluminum which causes friction but good job there. You got me. This is a known issue with the S2000 but you know better.
0_1_1_2_3_5@reddit
Yeah it's a known issue but not for the reasons you think. It's clear that you know absolutely nothing about engine building or metallurgy.
Factory S2000 pistons are aluminum with iron plated skirts, this iron plating is necessary to prevent galling with the FRM bore which is predominantly aluminum.
Aftermarket pistons are typically forged aluminum and often have a skirt coating of dry lubricant, which a lot of companies (Toda, Mahle to name a few) will tell you will last in an FRM bore, and it will for a few thousand miles if you're lucky, but the coating is a fraction of a thousandth of an inch thick and wears away, it starts to gall, and the motor is toast.
If you put ductile iron sleeves in an F2x block, and they are installed properly, you will be just fine with aftermarket forged pistons. Some Honda blocks are tricky such as the F2X or C3X, and most machinists are morons, but if the block is properly sleeved there is no reason it can't last. There is no magic involved here, just bad machining and people who have no business assembling engines dumping money into it like your buddy.
foreverablankslate@reddit
I agree with you mostly but I’ve heard so many horror stories about F20/F22 rebuilds blowing after a few hundred miles, seems like there is something about sleeves that causes issues. There are a few posts on s2ki talking about it
AK-JXRDY-7@reddit
But bro, he'smeticulous.
TheMayorMikeJackson@reddit
But he is Actually Meticulous
Rattle_Can@reddit
how do you even find all the parts #s for the bushings and any other small rubber/plastic that go brittle with age?
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
Man, a lot of searching but it’s worth it. ChatGPT has made it significantly easier to identify part numbers.
StandupJetskier@reddit
can confirm. Have a 94 SC400 and a 94 Miata. they sleep with diapers under them...
spongebob_meth@reddit
Agree. People who argue that parts aren't hard to find are usually the ones that just order low quality crap on eBay that'll squeak and rattle until it craps out again in 5 years.
I hate it when you're forced to use poly bushings in the chassis because factory rubber isn't available.
Specialist-Size9368@reddit
Will take it over nothing. I have a poly transmission mount in the viper because it is the only option. Sway bar bushings I went poly because they have grease fittings so I can quiet squeaks. The a arm bushings? I can get half of them in rubber, but not all. I cannot buy the bushings for the stock koni shocks. Plan is probably to just replace them with penske's.
What do you expect though? It is a quarter century old low production car. What does suck is the aftermarket rear window seal. It is sold as a one piece, and I had to cut in half and superglue it on because it is TOO BIG. The seller is well known in the viper community and is the only option outside of buying a nos window. The issue is also well known and gets complaints as it is a 200 dollar piece of rubber, but will take it over no option.
The number of people in this thread that expect things to be handed to them on a silver platter are ridiculous.
spongebob_meth@reddit
Absolutely, I understand why it happens. It's just a pain in everyone's side who wants to own a classic.
I don't know why the aftermarket only supplies poly bushings... Is it that hard to sell a rubber option?
uchigaytana@reddit
Yeah, I know a lot of people who don't even think about the bushings on their car, and just let them rot out. I'm at least a bit lucky because my early-2000's car has well over 100k miles on it, meaning most of the rubber still seems pretty good besides an engine mount that I really need to get around to.
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
Where else do you buy oe parts?
PotatoDrives@reddit
You have to rely on the aftermarket or used parts when there's no longer OEM parts available. This is far from a new problem.
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
Ok so, you don't have an answer lol.
PotatoDrives@reddit
No, I just provided and answer you don't like.
Utter_Rube@reddit
Uhh... don't?
I'm really having a hard time wrapping my head around your issue. You think your 25+ year old cars can't use aftermarket parts for some reason, and are mad that manufacturers don't keep producing parts for every vehicle they've ever built indefinitely?
epsiblivion@reddit
probably doesn't shop online
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
You got me dude! I am unaware of how to google a part number.
foreverablankslate@reddit
Really depends on the quality of aftermarket parts. On my BMW there’s tons of amazing aftermarket (or OE which is OEM with the logo sanded off lmao) but there’s also some real bullshit being sold (DISA Valves, radiators) where the only decent option is BMW brand and it’s like $500 for a fucking radiator or $400 for a plastic flap
Also see this with Japanese cars sometimes - all the aftermarket motor mounts for my parents accord are dogshit and the Honda brand is $300 for JUST the rear mount. I paid $160 for all 3 on my BMW lmao
pogoturtle@reddit
Oe parts are factory installed parts. Many car manufacturers don't actually make like 80% of the parts on your car. Most of the parts on your car are outsourced. So your BMW control arms are actually a Febi control arm and are also sold under Febi and any of its subsidiaries names. Lot of times they make so many BMW parts they end up scratching BMW logos and add their own part numbers to them and sold as different aftermarket brands.
WaffleBruhs@reddit
For Japanese cars there are Japanese based companies that will export parts like amayama, megazip, and impex. The strong dollar more than makes up for the shipping and possible import duty. For the NSX there is also specialty shops like Science of Speed in the US, Mita Motorsports in Japan, ATR-Racing Austria which might have new and used OEM parts and even reproduce OEM parts. Finding some OEM parts is still an issue though and can be expensive. I certainly would be hesitant to have more than one "classic" car in the garage.
AndroidUser37@reddit
Try to find an OEM door handle or window regulator for a B4 Passat in North America. Some decent parts are for sale in Germany, but the sellers completely refuse to ship to the USA and don't answer your questions. It's almost impossible. eBay is flooded with cheap aftermarket crap that, no joke, breaks within weeks/months. A "brand new" window regulator lasted me 6 months before jumping the track. The only way is to find old OEM parts and then find a competent guy (also rare) to rebuild them. I also had a keyless system retrofitted because the door handle mechanism's breakage gets accelerated every time the key gets turned in the handle. I still haven't found various interior parts such as the plastic triangles covering the insides of the mirrors, the rear trunk panel, and a climate panel that doesn't have dim lights. Every single piece of plastic is brittle and is missing clips. It's a nightmare.
Mufasa_LG@reddit
Use a mail forwarding company to get parts shipped to another country, if the supplier refuses. Some even let you buy through them if the supplier won't even sell to out of country buyers.
thevictor390@reddit
I've done this to get obscure stuff from Japan.
I_dont_exist_yet@reddit
This is one of the things keeping me from seriously considering buying something like that. I'd absolutely love one, but the Nissan essentially fills that roll already and getting parts is hard enough there, but at least I don't have to speak Japanese, I just have to search FB Marketplace and the lone US forum.
agray20938@reddit
Not sure how it is for a Pajero specifically, but at least from what I've heard from Honda Beat and Acty owners, most parts are actually relatively available so long as you're willing to wait 2+ months for them to arrive from Japan.
thevictor390@reddit
Mechanical parts are actually handled just fine from Amayama, or "that one Pakistani guy in the facebook group who somehow has infinite inventory of this thing." It's the rarer things like a special dealer added cupholder option or a specific factory spare tire cover that have you scouring classifieds.
I_dont_exist_yet@reddit
That actually doesn't sound bad at all. I'd expect that sort of thing with almost any make/model.
thevictor390@reddit
Worst case scenario so far is it took about a month to get timing belt parts together. I wouldn't daily drive it for that reason. Zero issues on actual availability.
ChopstickChad@reddit
If you find parts you need in Germany and they won't ship it to you, feel free to contact me. I'd be happy to pick up the parts and ship them over after we figure out logistics and shipping expense.
Random_Introvert_42@reddit
I'll second this, u/AndroidUser37
Also, germany actually has a decent community for VW.
Skodakenner@reddit
Germany also has a great community with BMW and so on. For my e39 i had yet to have a part not available maybe the M5 is diffrent though.
dovahbe4r@reddit
I have an E30 and an E32 and I haven’t run into a ton that hasn’t been available. There’s some stuff here and there, like on the M30 engine you might not find the 2 inch piece of fuel hose at the back of the rail in stock anywhere. But it’s just fuel hose. So just use fuel hose.
It’s mostly cosmetic stuff and trim. But for that there’s both the aftermarket and the respective communities for the chassis codes.
Skodakenner@reddit
The only issue i had with my e39 is finding a non rusty Tailgate for the Touring but its mostly because i dont want to spend money on it. Im really interrested how itll be in a couple of years though. What engine do you have exactly? Mine is the M52b25 with 170hp and im amazed how well it still runs after 26 years and really bad care wich im currently working on making up for
dovahbe4r@reddit
My E30 has the M20B25 and my E32 has the M30B35. Both are fantastic engines, even if the M30 is a bit of a dog in a 7 series. The M30 has 300k miles on it and I could see it going 300k more. Amazing engine, it’s become one of my favorites. Like you said yourself, taking care of them is key.
Skodakenner@reddit
Bmw sixes are generally brilliant would love to test an older one someday the e32 e30 and e34 are probably my favourite bmw Designs ever followed closely by the e38 and e39
dovahbe4r@reddit
Same here. E32s and E34s are genuinely good cars. They're "classics" that are totally usable every day without compromise, probably the only generation of BMW to offer that luxury. I find they're built better with better materials than their predecessors, they still have the old-school styling, and they have many creature comforts that you still won't find in many new cars today. And they're all generally reliable, there wasn't a bad engine option in either of them save for maybe the M60B30 in the E34 530i. But even that's not a "bad" engine, it's just not any better than the M30B35 that it replaced or the M60B40.
I've been window shopping for a 750 and it seems as if they're now on the upswing price-wise similar to what the E30 experienced ~5-10 years ago. If you want one I recommend getting one while they're still cheap.
DJBerryman@reddit
Australia has surprising parts availability for VAG and BMWs if you know who to call
scroopydog@reddit
Best guys for this are those on US military bases, use local post for German delivery and USPS for American delivery.
oidoglr@reddit
I’ve had great success ordering Audi heritage parts from topherparts.com
Alone_Split5565@reddit
Sounds like its time for you to get into 3d printing
Rihsatra@reddit
I had this problem on my 944s with the door handle linkage. Was awful trying to find one that still worked and getting the thing back in the door properly.
relakas@reddit
Guess it depends where you live. Why here we have so many old BMW’s, Audis, Volkswagens and so on… Is because how easy it is to get parts. Wheter new parts or second hand. Almost every young one here who finally gets their first licenses will buy one of the Vag Group vechile or BMW. I swear every other kid has a 5 series. M5 is not so rare either.
EicherDiesel@reddit
You sure about the E36? I feel like it was at that point ten years ago but now all the cheap crappy ones are gone and the ones remaining are mostly owned by enthusiasts and expensive. Hell, even the E46 isn't that common any more and has somewhat been replaced by E90s for fun winter beater use.
E39s have aged better and still fairly common although if you buy a cheap one you can pretty much only drive it till next inspection as it'll be rustet out so getting it reinspected is only financially viable if you can weld yourself.
Andrew-san_@reddit
Some automakers are better with supporting older cars than others. I think GM is notorious for ending support after like 5 years. Mercedes claims you can order any part and they’ll have it made if it’s not available, but I haven’t owned a Mercedes so I don’t have experience with that. BMW has supported the E30 longer than some of their other models due to popularity, not just with costumers, but with people at the company. I think they committed to 50 years of parts support for the Z8, so that’s another 30 years.
In Land Rover space the older Series and Defenders are supported rather well, except for rare or limited edition models such as NAS. Some classic American cars like the 57 Chevy is supported well too, at least in the aftermarket.
parkerpyne@reddit
Mercedes does this thing where you can order many parts that are NLA and if enough other people have ordered it, they'll somehow pull a batch out of their ass. But it may take a while.
But there are also parts that you cannot order. I suspect that those are parts that were never made by MB but rather by one of the usual suppliers such as Bosch, VDO, Hella etc. I doubt Bosch still makes parts for their various historic injection systems that can be found in many German cars from the late 70s to mid-90s across different makes.
EicherDiesel@reddit
I think the problem with the injection systems can be explained by the fact that many individual electronics components from back then simply aren't made any more so to make a new batch you'd basically have to redesign the part using modern components.
Germany had a famous incident like this when they the army wanted a new batch of "new" radios but 100% to old spec (1982) as the switchover to modern digital radios wasn't ready in time. Turns out you can get old components reproduced if you spend enough, 20.000€ per single radio with a total of 30.000 new radios being built.
https://www.golem.de/news/600-millionen-euro-bundeswehr-laesst-funkgeraete-von-1982-nachbauen-2109-159853.html
tubawhatever@reddit
Yeah, problem of owning a late 60s, early to mid 70s Mercedes and various other Euro brands is Bosch stopped making parts for their early EFI system called D-Jetronic over 15 years ago. There are some work arounds but best thing IMO is converting them to modern EFI. K-Jet parts are still mostly available but probably will see them phased out at some point as well because we've already seen Bosch and most other manufacturers stop making parts, or at least quality parts, for many of the old indirect injection diesels using Bosch injection pumps.
Parts availability is still a problem on older Mercedes but it's not as bad as some other brands.
benzguy95@reddit
A lot of Mercedes owners had to endure Mercedes no longer supplying switchblade keys for many of their older vehicles, I still don’t think it’s been rectified
tubawhatever@reddit
I haven't heard any updates on that yet. Supposedly someone who wasn't authorized to use the key machine broke the key machine and the guy who used to repair the key machine is retired or dead so there's no new keys for the US market until they can get a new machine.
Really sounds like dumb shit to me, you could cut the blanks and keys in a CNC mill.
A12851@reddit
Toyota does this with the old Land Cruisers
leedle1234@reddit
Old land Rover aftermarket is crazy, it's like the old American muscle cars, you can essentially build a whole new vehicle from all aftermarket parts.
The_Mecena@reddit
Sounds like 1st world problem
Try owning older American or Japanese car in Europe then you will see what struggle is 👌
Of course there are parts of world where is even worse situation than here but this is just example
EicherDiesel@reddit
For US cars that come into my work I just order parts on Rock Auto. Super easy as they offer prepaid customs/import duties. Most local US car part shops cost 4x as much and take suspiciously long to ship the parts so I suspect ordering directly from Rock Auto just cuts out the middle man.
With my Nissan truck I'm working on sourcing parts from every continent. Partsouq has lots of stuff for far cheaper than local prices even including import and shipping (OEM parts for most Asian brands are $$$ in Europe), Thailand has nonavailable stuff as it was sold there for much longer and they will ship no questions asked on ebay, new body mounts from Rock Auto, a used spare engine to rebuild (from a Datsun 720 so not 100% identical) sourced and delivered from Latvia and so on. Mods I fab myself, upper ball joint spacers I had CNC plasma cut by a shop, selfmade idler arm brace, rear leafs from an Isuzu DMAX and so on. About 40 left in all of Germany that have the same engine as mine and the truck itself is pretty rare in general, over the last 8 years since buying mine I have seen exactly one on the road. At least the engine was also used in forklifts and the like so general engine parts are available aftermarket.
ledfrisby@reddit
Try owning a 70's British truck in Zambia, lol.
goaelephant@reddit
I love that show. Remember when they "fix" an axle (or differential) by shoving bananas into it?
Sparo4492@reddit
Same in the maintenance space, spare parts ever since after covid is super hard to get or takes way longer way more expensive. I don't even know if its greed at this point or if it's actually manufacturing making less of the parts.
IknowwhatIhave@reddit
Owning a 1930's car with a production run of 700 has taught me that anything that was made once can be remade if you put in the work.
There are 70 year old dudes with my car that will casually mention how they whipped up a water pump impeller over the weekend on the lathe with a bit of hand finishing...
There is a parts catalogue but what they sell you is diagrams and specs for gaskets, seals, and fasteners so you can make your own.
I'm not machining my own parts yet, but I now make my own gaskets for all my cars, even the 90's ones.
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
That's more fun with very old cars, where a lot of the parts WERE hand made. It's less exciting on more modern things when plastics became much more dominant.
IknowwhatIhave@reddit
Check out octoclassic.com
It's very cool what they are doing - sellers of rare, NOS Mercedes plastic interior parts are in shambles!
SentientSquid23@reddit
Oh yes, finally someone said it.
People talk about the glory of owning classics ans there is Youtube videos everywhere.
Meanwhile I went to hell and back trying to find part to rebuilt my '80 CB250T. Sold it as a half baked resto in the end due to the pain in sourcing parts which had also become expensive.
I am someone who takes comfort in the fact that I can keep something for ages to come (call it an emphasis on sustainability or even my love for such material things, i dont know) but I want things to last or atleast have the option to make them last.
tawwkz@reddit
They are rich and they can afford to do it right now. Slurping up the last few E46 M3 parts from warehouses for example (CSL wheels, aluminum powerdome hoods).
Meanwhile you are looking at let's say window trim that started to crack but it will fully destroy in 5 years, and need to justify spending $1000 for window trim that you don't actually need for 5 more years. But in 5 years it will not be available.
Ok_Singer9630@reddit
might need that guy for my 406 lol
cfbrand3rd@reddit
It wasn’t really that long ago that cars had 5 digit odometers, the implication being that driving a car over 100k miles was out of the norm. Now? Cars with 200k+ are not unusual. I drove my 2005 Prius 280K+ and never had a drivetrain failure of any sort. You see 25-30 year old vehicles on the road every day; a ‘99 Malibu is a 25 year old car!
At the same time, model & option proliferation took off. If you waked into a Ford dealer in 1959 you could buy one basic car in a few different trim levels and body styles, a few different engines & transmissions, and basically the same suspension under all of them. Now? Ford sells 3 entirely different TRUCKS, let alone a plethora of SUVs. You simply can’t stock all the parts you’d need to keep every 5 year old vehicle running in a dealership, let alone 15 or 20 years old.
You once could take a mechanical voltage regulator apart and fix it; now electronic control modules have hundreds of components sealed inside, and many are VIN dependent. Add in things like fragile screens that control vital operations, hybrid & EV batteries with non replaceable cells, and sealed LED lamps that become obsolete nearly overnight, with every single item having delicate proprietary connectors, and you’ll be lucky to see any 2024 car on the road in 2049.
Ajk337@reddit
I looked at buying a ~11 year old G550 and took if for a ppi
The car shop (reputable and specialized in German cars) said it probably had its oem cat stolen and the owner replaced it with an aftermarket, and that's not state inspection compliant.
They searched all US and European inventory.... and there were none.
Really woke me up to parts availability issues.
wheelsmatsjall@reddit
GM is in the new car business and not the parts business. There are a ton of aftermarket parts for GM vehicles at cheap prices. You can buy any part for a Corvette aftermarket. Henry Ford said we are a car business and a parts business. We will get a fee for anyone who makes a part for our vehicles. Ford's want to commission for all of their parts so a lot of Ford cars are hard to get parts for. I had a Mercury Milan and the headlights were $495.00 each aftermarket not available at Ford my Chevy they were $29.95 each aftermarket. There are even Ford trucks you cannot get grills for because Ford wants the commission every time you use the word Ford. If you say it is a Ford part they want to Commission. They'll probably want to commission cuz I use their name here.
matt675@reddit
Ford Nintendo Disney cut from the same cloth I suppose
wheelsmatsjall@reddit
Probably. Ford is all about money parts and more money and if you use their name. You know that Disney sends out a letter to anyone who starts a Ceramics business or tile business because at one time Disney made ceramic and tile molds and they say that if you have these molds you cannot use them you have to have the original license and if you don't have them we will sue you for using them and producing our products and you must provide us with the original license for each and every ceramic mold you use.
saturnuranusmars@reddit
Doesn't NISSAN still sell old GT-R parts? What a true enthusiast company
six3oo@reddit
That's the thing about old BMWs - the parts availability is EXCELLENT. Tons of OE and aftermarket options, low price, wide availability. Makes them a breeze to keep on the road.
04limited@reddit
I had a 91 Corvette a couple of years ago where the turn stalk assembly broke(technical name was pivot switch/point). GM discontinued the part 15 years ago. 91s used a different style than the 90 and 92-96s so I needed one for a 91. Part itself was non existent I’d have to buy the whole steering column, used, for like $750…it’s a $5k car on a good day.
It didn’t have working turn signals until I fabricated my own repair up with a load of JB weld and tabs from Home Depot.
Good amount of aftermarket support for them but it’s expensive because they know you have no other option. And the lead times were not always the quickest.
That’s why I don’t care for old cars anymore. The only old stuff I want are like 60-70s types just overall simpler vehicles. No obsolete 80-90s electronics.
julienjj@reddit
BMW will make parts as long as the tooling works or suppliers exist.
Some other manufacturers make parts until the last model rolls off the time + the mandatory 8 years requirement that some states have them just liquidate the stock after an all time buy then it's not their problem anymore.
snatch1e@reddit
I’ve got an early 2000s JDM car, and trying to source OEM or even high-quality aftermarket parts is a nightmare. You’re either paying through the nose, gambling on questionable sources, or just flat-out not finding what you need.
matt675@reddit
May I ask what car?
europeanperson@reddit
Evo 8/9?
ToyotaPowah@reddit
I'm in the same boat. Very difficult to find parts that are unique to my 2001 JDM car. Makes me consider selling it.
Random_Introvert_42@reddit
I tried to get a new Airbag control module for my 94 MX5 (the module is out of a Ford Probe which is kind of a Mazda) because it had failed, I had tried to fix it for months and having the airbag light on can cost you the road-registration. Mazda suggested removing the airbag system altogether.
thanks.
StonkDad817@reddit
New company called Karkey will be changing this soon!
StirFriedSmoothBrain@reddit
This is the RX7 and rotary enthusiasts community as a whole, but our aftermarket is filled with some shady ass shops and cottage retailers.
ifallallthetime@reddit
This is how it was for muscle cars before the aftermarket restoration parts industry built up. You have to go to junkyards and find people who part out cars like yours
BlackDS@reddit
EVs have fewer moving parts, so that's that at least
ReV46@reddit
Why is a throttle actuator for an E46 M3 $1100? Ridiculous. I'm really questioning whether I want to keep tracking a car this old or bite the bullet and replace it with a Supra. I'm dreading VANOS, valve timing, and rod bearing maintenance. Don't have much time anymore to do those myself. As much as this is my dream car, might be time to let go.
alehanro@reddit
I took my used 2004 Honda Civic to my local Honda dealership for a check engine light in 2009. A 5 year old car. Last generation. They told me they couldn’t help me; I’d need to go see a “s p e c i a l i s t”. I was like, my man, I’m at a Honda dealership. With a Honda. Who tf is the specialist if it’s not you? Didn’t want to give me a straight answer. I have had nothing but negative experiences with them and have not set foot in there in 10 years.
GuyWithAComputer2022@reddit
This is why I only track cars that are extremely common. Great selection of both factory and aftermarket parts.
jds8254@reddit
Yep. I'm terrified about the brake calipers on my '88 Fiero GT, which are now unobtanium. The fronts fit only the 88 Fiero and the rears are also on the 88-90 Pontiac 6000 as far as I know. Thankfully my rears are "new" about ten years ago, but the fronts are 36 years old. Yikes if something happens that isn't rebuildable - I recently saw someone with a cracked caliper body.
Even little stuff on my wife's very early build 2012 Focus are hard to get because they're for like six months of production of a car made for seven years. Sensors and electronic parts are the hardest. Good luck if you need an ABS pump/module...no new ones even at extortion-level prices. Thankfully pretty common in junkyards at least.
thetrappster@reddit
Zero support from Dodge for the Viper platform as well.
Headlights, any Viper specific engine parts, body parts, etc are only available used, and often hard to find. Pair of used headlights (when they pop up for sale on rare occasions)? $10k.
CosmonautOnFire@reddit
I had a 2000 Impreza wagon. Good luck finding body panels, clips, small electronic parts, even fresh engine parts. It's fucked. Ironically, I bought another older Subaru.
xeno_4_x86@reddit
I own a 1988 Merkur XR4TI and parts availability while not great, is surprisingly decent for what it is. There are lucky a few enthusiasts that act as vendors and also it helps the engine is the same as the tbird Turbo Coupe and Mustang SVO.
BModdie@reddit
Optimal strategy is to not live in the rust belt, then own things that aren’t 90% made out of plastic and/or electronics, then bypassing or deleting what you can (within reason), THEN stockpile necessary parts after that point. Avoid vehicles that use lots of belts or electronics or generally dumb designs.
But those are the things most people like because they grew up with them, so. It’s really not that hard to consciously change your tastes in vehicles so you can be proud of owning something that you know will be on the road for decades with a little elbow grease, barring major events like collisions or whatnot.
I can PROMISE you. New cars will be 100x worse in the parts department, far sooner than ANY of these older vehicles were relative to their overall lifespans. If the goal is to force repeat purchases of automobiles, they WILL stop making parts. The only thing you can do to subvert this is take an active role in what you drive be proactive, and be proud of what you’ve chosen to use not because of any shallow metrics like what other people think of it, but just because you know the vehicle inside and out and know it will continue to function for you.
Temperoar@reddit
I feel you on the E39 M5 parts struggle. Ended up joining a regional enthusiast group that shares tips on sourcing the rarer bits.
deliriousatx@reddit
At least they have tons of aftermarket support and huge communities.
I drive a Pontiac G8. Both the brand and manufacturer are dead now. Anything that’s not shared with a Caprice PPV is either on several months of backorder, expensive af from specialty resellers, or had to be bought from Australia or China. OEM headlights are non-existent after COVID, bumpers are OEM only and it took me literally 6 months to get a one, suspension parts(OEM or not) took ages to arrive, etc.
I’m considering getting a newer daily that have more parts supply, and I’ll probably build the G8 and make it a weekend car. I’ll still get something unique, but through CarMax this time and pull a Doug Demuro: buying MaxCare and replacing every major point of failure through dealers, then sell it after the warranty expires.
Samjogo@reddit
I'm considering trading my Saturn Sky for this reason. Looking at the price of headlights has me thinking I should swap for something newer.
Mustang1718@reddit
Man, that is disappointing. The Sky and Solstice have always been very cool to me. I've been s Ford guy, but something about those two and the Cobalt SS do it for me.
Samjogo@reddit
They're still tons of fun! I'll probably end up never trading it because I can't think of anything around this price I'd rather have.
Quatro_Leches@reddit
problem is that when you get newer you wont find that many cool cars like the saturn sky
Johns-schlong@reddit
The Miata is better and eternal. It may not be as unique, but they're better cars and parts are everywhere.
Samjogo@reddit
That's pretty much what I mean by "something newer."
Quatro_Leches@reddit
Yeah but that’s literally it
Random_Introvert_42@reddit
Fun fact: A lot of BMW Z3 drive around with some tacky "angel eye" headlight kit because OEM headlights in decent condition are stupid expensive.
Charming-Loan-1924@reddit
Go to LKQ and stockpile parts you need.
noeku1t@reddit
Yeah this is a deal breaker but I had no idea the M5 already was getting there, that's really sad
BolshoiSasha@reddit
Surely you’re referring to OEM parts? I’d figure both the C5 and M5 would have tons of redundant aftermarket stuff
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
Yes I’m talking or, straight from the dealer. And while the aftermarket does step in for certain things, that’s only going to happen for the higher volume consumable stuff. When I owned an LX470 you could practically build an entire car from oe Toyota parts. They carried or bolts and nuts if you wanted to be that particular.
HumbleGoatCS@reddit
"Straight from the dealer" oh hey guys i found this guy's entire problem..
Companies have very little incentive to continue to produce and supply OEM parts for cars that can legally drink, this is not a new problem. Aftermarket is fine for 99% of items and with a teeny bit of luck, some aftermarkets perform better than OEM
Few_Highlight1114@reddit
Yeah I read this guy's post and was confused. Theres literally multiple corvette only sites that feature just about everything for basically all corvette years. Now there is an asterisk when it comes to the C5 where the ABS/TC module for certain years cannot be replaced because nobody makes the part anymore if I remember right, but for everything else.. youre good to go.
Also should say that certain sites are amazing when it comes to customer service and how quickly theyll get parts to you and im not sure why someone would have issues buying off of ebay exactly, but if the OP only wants to buy from the dealer, he may feel some weird stigma from buying there, which is dumb IMO.
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
I had an 04 Z06, which had shock that were specific to that year only. NLA from GM. Manual seat slider/bracket broke on the passenger side seat. NLA from GM, no aftermarket alternative. Front and rear z06 glass, NLA and no aftermarket. I needed a tiny rubber piece on the passenger side door, and a rubber grommet for the stock air box. Both NLA, both $0.99 pieces when still available being sold as new-old-stock on eBay for $20-40. No aftermarket alternatives.
Few_Highlight1114@reddit
Bro if your problem is you cant buy shocks for an 04 z06, I think you are the problem. Im sorry, but like what are you talking about? A new Bilstein shock is what you need, there's nothing fancy about an 04 z's shocks.
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
Uh.. ok? I understand your point although this particular point is shit. The 04 Z had 1-model-year-only shocks, developed on the Nurburgring, which was unheard of for an American brand at the time. The 04Z was the one that did the Nurburgring in under 8 minutes, which chevy touted as the first production car to do so (I don' think that's true, but they made a big deal about it). Those shocks are incredible. They were clearly the test bed for the C6Z shocks, and although Bilstein sports have similar valving, they are not identical.
Also you're talking about a car that is frankly COMMON for people to save the original TIRES. I don't subscribe to that level of "collector," but pretending that the oem parts are junk and the aftermarket is better misses the point of how some people enjoy their cars. I've owned cars that were modified, and I've owned cars where I preferred to keep them stock. Both are valid approaches to enthusiast ownership.
Few_Highlight1114@reddit
Lmao, oh I get it. Youre one of those vette owners that gives the rest of us a bad reputation.
Yeah those 2004 Z shocks are special, damn shame you cant something that does the same job if not better even 20 years after, its crazy.
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
Yea again, they're special components. I like appreciating the level of effort the team put in. If I wanted something "better" id just upgrade it or buy a faster car.
shavingisboring@reddit
Yeah, I have an old Corvette, and I feel so lucky BECAUSE Corvettes are literally one of the easiest cars to find parts for.
I've always wanted a DeTomaso Pantera, but after the recent VGG episode where he fixes an old one and talks at length about how nothing is available for it, I was like "Oh yeah, duh. That would be hell."
Specialist-Size9368@reddit
Try buying door handles for a 40 year old Ferrari. 400 dollars for a used one, for the wrong side of the car. All so you can rob it of the part that breaks. OP can just sell anything over 5 years old least he have to put an ounce of effort into ownership.
HumbleGoatCS@reddit
I am the exact same, lol. The pantera looks like a beast, but I just don't think i have the patience for italian """design"""". I have a few GM cars; and I could rebuild all of them entirely out of remanufactured parts.
AmericanExcellence@reddit
why would you rely solely on oem parts? if you need a body panel or something, that's what salvage yards are for. and for 90% of replacement parts, i wouldn't even consider going oem anyway.
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
Because it isn't a civic or something im daily driving where I'd just go to auto zone. It's a "fun" or "collectible" car and part of the ownership enjoyment is fixing it with fresh versions of what it came with.
Redbulldildo@reddit
People bring it up all the time when they talk about doing it, which is nobody who doesn't take their cars to Concours events. You can read all about how impossible it is to do that level of restoration because you've gotta hunt parts from the ends of the earth, and find specialists in trades that don't exist anymore to try to get a car back to OEM.
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
Plenty of people in this thread complaining about the same thing. There's a gigantic gap between the people posting here and "concours event" level ownership.
Redbulldildo@reddit
Putting money and effort into finding OEM parts being a significant one of the differences, yes.
max_compressor@reddit
Stock OEM purity is a common mindset amongst corvette owners. I see lots of people on the corvette forums that worship at the feet of GM. It's a little weird.
Specialist-Size9368@reddit
OP expects the OEM to supply parts to 20+ year old vehicles out of the goodness of their heart's. What a whiner.
I deal with this on much lower production cars than anything he lists. It is part of ownership. I deal with this most of all on the Morgan, a car that went out of production in 2021. Anyone spending 30 minutes of research before buying can get a good idea of parts availability before they buy a car.
laborvspacu@reddit
Summit Racing catalog or JC whitney, rock auto
LittlePup_C@reddit
You new to cars or something? Other than Porsche, you get about 10 years of parts manufacturing before they stop. There’s no money in keeping old cars alive.
No one besides Porsche cares about that, and I’m convinced Porsche only does it to be able to say 98% of all their cars are still on the road. Even with Porsche, they don’t make a lot of new stuff.
Ultimately it comes down to why would they? We already know the car enthusiasts make up only a small fraction of vehicle purchases (see the disappearing manual). Then, a smaller fraction of that already small fraction would buy new parts from the OEM.
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
A lot of what I tinkered with growing up (mostly Datsuns that are now hilariously overpriced) it was a given that you aren't going to find new stuff outside of some guy's stockpile in his garage. The company wasn't even called Datsun anymore lol. I was surprised to find it happening so quickly to more modern cars though.
StandupJetskier@reddit
Sourcing parts is part of the experience. The Dealer, the auto parts store, they have a ten year window pretty much. I get parts for my Lexus SC400 on FB marketplace, the web, etc. I get parts for my 2019 cars at the dealer and normal stores.
So far I haven't hit a wall for something critical. I understand Vette guys have problems with some computers.
Wellidrivea190e@reddit
I took the last ever coolant temperature sensor for a W201 190e 2.0 according to Mercedes-Benz.
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
Haha. Clutching it firmly as you rushed home.
totalnewbie@reddit
I work at an automotive supplier.
I know you said in one of your comments that you're not really "blaming" anyone and I'm glad to hear that, because while I understand your frustration, it's also really unfeasible to continue to provide every part we've ever supplied indefinitely. There are a lot of reasons depending on the part.
If a mold or old machine breaks, should we spend tens of thousands of dollars to replace (mold) or fix (machine) it to make a dozen parts a year when it sells for less than a hundred dollars? Consider that things like molds are not common to other parts and even machines get replaced as new processes are developed.
Sometimes, it really doesn't make sense to continue to make the OEM part. Of course, it depends on the part but a lot of times, OEMs will require, say, two different part numbers of essentially the same part (e.g. different connector keyway) to avoid errors during assembly. But do we really need to keep doing that 20 years down the line when, again, maybe a dozen or two are needed each year, if that? And if it's a matter of, say, a dozen wiring harness differences on what's otherwise the same part, it's very painful to keep making a dozen different part numbers if we can just consolidate down to a single universal one. But, we can't sell that as OEM, it has to be aftermarket.
Remember that when we make a part, it is not a matter of simply "choose B instead of A". There are a lot of quality procedures that we have to do and if you're making a million pieces, okay, that's fine. But if you're asking for 500 pieces for 10 years, that represents hours of labor (not necessarily just for the final component but also possibly subcomponents) for many fewer hours than that of actual production.
So when we EOP a part, we often work with our customers for them to make a final buy. But even they have to calculate a certain number of years of stock to keep because, well, they just have to. And in the end when that runs out, well.. tough luck, those molds haven't existed for 10 years and nobody's going to pay to make a new one.
:/
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
Yea this is more a complaint about how little it gets brought up, but how overwhelmingly circle-jerky the 90s/2000s enthusiast car bandwagon has become in the last decade or so. Like everyone is dead set on owning some of those cars, but the reality is parts shortages can limit your willingness to really use the car more often than not because you start seeing it as something you need to preserve.
I've worked in a manufacturing environment before and I understand what a gigantic pain in the ass it is to support legacy products. Especially since technology changes, and there might be 1 guy who still knows how to braze the stupid tubing to make xyz part the "old way" lol.
Winter_cat_999392@reddit
I have no problem getting older Lexus parts by part numbers from Japan. Toyota has a lot of common parts across all lines.
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
Toyota seems to be one of the best in this regard. I suspect it's part supply chain management and part careful commonality among models.
anallobstermash@reddit
I have all old cars. I don't have any issues with parts.
My 87 jeep is starting to go only aftermarket but my 96 land cruiser, 03 TDI, 92 z32tt all have no issues finding any parts.
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
Toyota is particularly good about Land Cruiser parts. I was able to replace nearly the entire suspension on my LX ordering from the Middle East. Great prices even with shipping. I went on a spending spree lol.
pembquist@reddit
I wonder how much it has to do with the rise of "just in time" and other sorts of streamlining coupled with more design changes. Fingers crossed I still seem to be able to get parts for my 86 Ranger 4x4 though some of them are kind of crappy "oem." I remember somebody telling me that you could still get parts for a DC-3 aircraft because they made so many parts for WW2.
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
That's an interesting thought.
1988rx7T2@reddit
I got out of FD Rx-7s not because of the engine but because you can’t get interior parts anymore and I couldn’t stand the broken plastics
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
Yes and that is the kind of stuff that can make a car enjoyable long term. Sure it's some "shitty plastic part" but dropping $1k to completely refresh a bunch of plastic touch points in a car like that can be extremely rewarding, in a James May sort of way.
coffeeshopslut@reddit
Yeah, what a shame. I was thinking of getting into an E36, but I'd probably have to drive around like a dickhead in a stripped interior because those interior parts don't last
foreverablankslate@reddit
https://imgur.com/a/nqTnfjP
SimplifyAddLightness@reddit
A lot of people say, “it’s not that big of a deal- it doesn’t affect how it drives.”
But at every stop light and when one pulls into the garage, one sees and feels the broken parts.
3D printing isn’t there yet in terms of surface finish and you have to be independently wealthy to work with anyone in the short-run injection molding space.
1988rx7T2@reddit
Yeah brake pads etc will be around forever but interior parts will need a major breakthrough in 3d printing
ShesATragicHero@reddit
If only I had Cadillac XLR taillights in stock….
Charming-Loan-1924@reddit
As a C5 owner, my BCM has gone out I guess every time I hook the shops scanner to it it says cannot read BCM.
GM cannot fix the problem or at least the Chevrolet dealership in my town cannot .
Du_Kich_Long_Trang@reddit
What year C5? The 97-99 ebcm is non-repairable. That's a design issue from Chevy, not a parts or dealership issue.
If it's a 2000 or later, you might take the car to a mechanic that specializes in electrical, as it's likely a ground issue, or connection issue. C5 and C6 Corvettes are weird with wiring and batteries. Some guys just wiggle the connection bundle in the door jamb or clean off the back star connector and everything is fine.
Charming-Loan-1924@reddit
2001.
Not sure what the deal is I’ve never submerged the car or had a serious accident with it. I had a fender bender with it.
00espeon00@reddit
Because the people that buy parts and “car guys” in general are an INSANELY small minority in the market of buying cars.
Apprehensive-Pass665@reddit
I got a 92 W126 Merc, rack and pinion were sourced from China, the interiors and plastic parts are easily available in Germany.
Mattr567@reddit
I have a B5 Audi.
Wekcome to the club of shipping parts from Germany.
Torino380W@reddit
Here in Argentina it has always been the norm even for new vehicles. That's how the ingenuity of adapting available parts became a necessity. Like the pop up mazdas 323 which many ended up with TLDE carburetors or using the Ford ranger PS pump for some E36 after adapting a bracket.
Or the idiot who adapted an unknown AC compressor on my E36 sometime in the past. It chewed a coolant hose.
Thick_Pineapple8782@reddit
I have had that experience and it wasn't even a classic . My wife had a 2007 Chevy HHR go in for service in about 2017 and they said they didn't work on cars that old! She told them. "I said 2007, not 1897!"
PoniesPlayingPoker@reddit
Lol when I owned a Northstar, pretty much any specialty parts I needed I had to buy through Northstar Performance, which is an independent shop based in Canada. Northstars haven't been discontinued for more than a decade and yet there's barely any parts availability.
PeloquinsHunger@reddit
Parts availability and or the lack thereof has always been a major concern for car enthusiasts going back for as long as we've been car enthusiasts.
MangJuice232@reddit
Zero issues getting parts for my 06 G35 coupe ;)
GStarOvercooked@reddit
It factors big into my car buying decisions, but like all enthusiasts I'm in the minority
PlsHalp420@reddit
As someone who daily drives a c5z, wtf are you talking about?
If you wanna drive old cars, be prepared to build them in some cases. A lot of stuff you can build yourself. In other cases, a machinist can do it for you.
zzyzx85@reddit
3D printing (and scanning) has been a godsend for "classic" cars.
Slimy_Shart_Socket@reddit
Its something I comment about anytime someone says X car is reliable. Like the G35/37. Yes they are reliable, but if a projector lens cracks its $$$ to replace.
My Escape taillight was $17+ shipping.
Toyota's are reliable but fuck the labor times. To do a Power Steering rack on an 07-20 Tundra 5.7L 4x4, it says to remove the engine. My buddy has a RAV4 with a small oil leak, seal is $17 but same thing remove engine to replace (I think t-case seal). Luckily he has access to a shop but still.
FocusedADD@reddit
Lol blow it out your ass. Your examples are all enthusiast cars that have a real shot at collector status. Try being under the spell of a car that many haven't even heard of. That the aftermarket hasn't even bothered to support in any meaningful way.
SimplifyAddLightness@reddit
How does it help any of us to say “my problem’s worse, so your problem should be diminished?”
We can lament the dearth of good parts for every car- I have problems sourcing Dino and Daytona parts (and don’t get me started on plating and anodizing) but also see the pain of people who have P10 Infiniti G20s and Datsun 1200s.
Utter_Rube@reddit
Because OP's not complaining that parts are difficult to find, they're complaining that OEM parts are difficult to find. For some reason buddy's Corvette is too good for anything Rockauto or Summit Racing carry.
Pkock@reddit
Especially wild thing to complain about when Chevy is probably the best supported in that regard because of AC Delco.
FocusedADD@reddit
Because it sets expectations. Boo hoo you can't find OEM. Practically nobody can find OEM. Count your blessings you can find anything aftermarket.
Pkock@reddit
I feel like I can buy almost every part for my truck from AC Delco still, how are you having problems with a C5?
shwaynebrady@reddit
This has been a thing since the beginning of the auto industry. There are service/support contracts in place that says Bosch has to be able to support part demand for 10 years etc. After that, whatever’s in circulation is what there is. Occasionally, if there’s TONs of demand they’ll start the line back up and do one big run to refill inventory. Or they’ll sell/license the design to another smaller shop that fills that in between gap. But usually, once that line is down, it’s down.
Although with enough digging, I’ve always been able to find what I’m looking for. It must have been near impossible before the internet. Now, because the reach is so far, there’s plenty of businesses whose entire business model is buying older vehicles that are either totaled or rusted out and tearing them down for parts.
0xF0z@reddit
It’s super frustrating because often just 1 part can hold up the project for months. I had a hell of a time finding an ac condenser for a 300zx TT. Eventually someone started selling “aftermarket” ones on eBay. Pretty crappy build quality though - had to drill the brackets off it and make new ones. Ugh.
Unique-Egg-461@reddit
I think it was the VDC that went out on our '10 outback. Part has been on backorder for 2yrs. I've gone to a lot of wrecking yards
Dash has been a christmas tree for two years and we get a working speedo only half the time :-/
Kemerd@reddit
It’s nothing compared to aviation
Big-Energy-3363@reddit
Don’t buy a Saab then!!
Racer_Space@reddit
I've been unable to source an ABS pump for my e39 M5 for nearly 2 years now. Its pretty bad.
0_1_1_2_3_5@reddit
Get one from a junk yard E39 and send the electronic half to Module Master to be rebuilt.
benzguy95@reddit
I work in parts and I can’t tell you how many dealers get upset when even 2010-15 model year vehicles no longer have part support. It’s a shame since given the fact that Americans are holding on to their vehicles longer, more parts need to be available for them.
E39_CBX@reddit
Honestly the E39 in and BMW in general has far better parts support than almost anything out there. Seriously all the random trim parts you can still buy from the dealer compared to most other brands with cars that age is unreal.
rudbri93@reddit
Realoem and getbmwparts have been lifesavers over the years.
spongebob_meth@reddit
Parts availability is constantly brought up in circles of people who own older cars. You don't run into it here because most people drive some late model.
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
Yea I guess in my mind early 2000s is still considered “late model” lol
spongebob_meth@reddit
I'm there too lol, once any car has been out of production for 10 years, parts sources dry up fast.
TheDirtDude117@reddit
I went thru hell on my S2000 doing bushings, mounts, and finding each little connector's equivalent to restore it.
My C5Z is similar where a lot of GM parts for it just don't work anymore. Knock sensors NEW from GM don't output enough voltage so the car thinks it's f**ked. Had to buy 12 different brands and bench test them to find out the Napa brand ones are setup for the factory LS ECU Voltage.
The little things like headlight motors, odd trim pieces for the outer side moldings, the soldering, the bushings etc have all been a bit easier than the S2K. Thankfully injectors, valve springs, and stuff were a bit easier. It's the Corvette specific stuff that's horrible. Then the Z06 specific is worse.
Earth_Normal@reddit
In my opinion, if a manufacturer can’t supply parts, they have effectively failed their warranty obligations. Warranties are worthless without parts.
carguy82j@reddit
I am restoring my late mother's old E34 5 series with my 11 year old daughter for her first car. Some parts are getting harder to get but a lot of availability from eastern Europe. Shipping is not to bad to the states either. I am also able to find stuff at wrecking yards too. For my 87 Buick Grand National I was surprised at the availability of replacement parts, even parts that are specific to Grand National and not just G body. There are a lot of GM licensed restoration parts too. Some things are expensive but most are cheaper than the E34 basic 5 series parts. Even the aftermarket performance parts for the Grand National are easy to get and they are actually making new parts and developing new parts for it. I have an older 2005 Yukon xl 2500 and I am able to pretty much find anything I need and it's 20 years old now. Depends on the car, I guess.
IknowwhatIhave@reddit
Eastern Europe is fantastic for some old car parts as there is a huge enthusiasm base for German vehicles, and a cultural history of tinkering, rebuilding and ingenious fixes due to communism (i.e. you couldn't order new stuff, so you had to figure out how to repair).
Combined with good education systems, a cultural respect for engineering and relatively low cost of labour and you get lots of guys (properly) rebuilding stuff that would get thrown away in the US.
carguy82j@reddit
I was getting brand new old stock parts from Eastern Europe. It was crazy. I thought it was a scam and the part showed up lol.
goodcase@reddit
I've owned my SAAB since 2018, parts are getting harder to find but it's not impossible yet. I fear the day when I have to hang the keys up because parts are unobtanium.
ice445@reddit
It's honestly crazy how fast parts seem to be drying up, even for really high production cars. My Taurus is a great example. For a long time it hasn't been a big deal to find stuff, but all the sudden it fell off the cliff. Specifically OEM parts like the idle air control valve are just...gone lol. Alternator? Good luck, even parts store ones aren't available without special order. It was like parting the red sea to find an OEM fuel pump after an aftermarket one failed in 2 months. OEM quickstruts are NLA,, and god help you if you need flex fuel system components like the ethanol sensor.
Even good quality mechanical parts for the vulcan v6 are getting tough to come by, I god lucky with finding good quality valves and valve springs, and head bolts and gaskets. A lot of this stuff hasn't been made in many years now and is drying up. Sure, you can find junk parts still without too much trouble, but you'll be replacing them a dozen times to the point it isn't even worth it.
mikkowus@reddit
You need to get into a car with a big fan base, where non-oem, non-chinese companies will make parts for enthusiasts.
scroopydog@reddit
I find that I can only ever get one side. Roof gutter, passenger side not driver. Headlight, opposite. It’s a nightmare if you want a matching car.
titsmuhgeee@reddit
This is exactly why I sold my 2001 Honda Insight. It had 280k miles, so it had a maintenance gig popping up just about every month. I was driving it 600 miles per week for my commute.
It just got too taxing finding parts. When something broke, you just prayed to any god that was listening that it was one of the parts you could actually find. Interior parts or Insight unique exterior parts, you were literally out of luck. Some drivetrain parts had cross compatibility with other Honda's of the era, but Insight specific parts were literally impossible to find.
The rear motor mount was a great example. They regularly fail at high miles, but all OEM NOS ones are long gone. Literally the only option is to buy one from one guy off of Ebay that CNC machines them himself.
I'm just trying to get to and from work. If you're an enthusiast of a given platform, sure. Knock yourself out keeping the thing alive. I was burned out and sold it on down the line to an Insight enthusiast that was very excited to take on the challenge of keeping that little egg alive.
rw2453@reddit
This is one of the many reasons I love my miata. If I need ANYTHING, the local Gary has it. Mazda still produces a lot of parts for it brand new too.
Alarmedones@reddit
It’s like the new car people haven’t heard of parts cars. You like a car and want to keep it? Buy another to make sure it stays good. Parts will go away and always have. Ford doesn’t want to keep making parts for a shit box 83 ford tempo. Or some clapped out mustang.
This is literally how it has always been and always will be.
CreatedUsername1@reddit
Then try owning the other 2 seater GM car then a Vette.
coffeeshopslut@reddit
Solstice?
CreatedUsername1@reddit
Solstice, in particular.
newcarguy2019@reddit
Yup, that's why I went with my foxbody. Sure it's common and boring but it's better than most older cars when it comes to parts and support.
Funny-Owl-9165@reddit
It would really surprise me if Corvette parts were hard to come by, considering how that community handles restorations down to the finest details. Might moreso be about knowing where to look, rather than just assuming it's all gone when a local parts store doesn't have something in stock.
imped4now@reddit
This is a big reason why modern but relatively simple cars such as the ND and BRZ/86 are beautiful things.
FSCK_Fascists@reddit
For every class of car. I had a 2001 Chevy Tracker Zr2 (Suzuki Vitara) I used for commuting. Surprisingly decent little economy SUV, really.
It was useless by 2006. A simple MAF sensor failed. you could not get a replacement. Literally, part not available anywhere. If you were lucky, you could find a NOS or used part on EBAY for ~ $1500. Junkyards didn't work- many where there because of that part, the few that were not were missing that part- probably on EBAY.
Someone began manufacturing that part and selling it several years later. But in that time frame, many of us had to sell it for scrap.
MDA123@reddit
If you're having trouble sourcing parts for an E39 M5 and a C5 Z06, what hope is there for the rest of us? Both of those were very popular cars that sold tens of thousands of units of similar variants, and they both have very active enthusiast cultures that support a strong aftermarket.
Kerionite@reddit
This is why I chose to mod something newer with lots of parts around. VWMQB parts are freaking everywhere 💀
htotheinzel@reddit
I'm currently going through this with my Evo 6. My AYC pump died, which is needed for the hydraulic diff to function. So first I ordered a used pump that works off of FB marketplace, which broke on its way to me during shipping
So I found a guy in the UK who fixes a specific component (Solenoid) and shipped it out to him. About 2 weeks later I got it back fixed. After re-installing the pump I cannot bleed it as there is air in the lines, so I need to order a bleeder box off of the same guy. So I did that yesterday and am waiting for it to arrive
What if this fails? You can acquire a diff support bar, moustache bar, rear diff and axles from an Evo 8/9 and swap those in, which essentially deletes the hydraulic diff and replaces it with a mechanical one. This is plan B at the moment. I have all of the parts except the moustache bar, and I found a local guy in an Evo group who is giving me one in exchange for a bottle of Gin. Going to pick that up later in the week
ConsistentFatigue@reddit
You’ll never run out of C5 parts in your life. Why do you think the manufacturers should keep these going for your entire life? What’s wrong with aftermarket?
We don’t talk about parts availability when it’s not an issue for us.
leadfoot_mf@reddit
Just buy an old Ferrari they can reproduce any part you need. Lol
AnemoneOfMyEnemy@reddit
The middle east will keep me in parts for decades
mr_j_12@reddit
Looks at toyota. Can still buy jz's/4a's/ 3s etc new. Can still buy r154's new. Only a few aw11 parts are unobtanium new.
Subaru: can go out and buy a ej207 new etc.
Old e30. Dont think I had and issues getting parts. Only some parts were stupidly priced?
salmonstamp@reddit
Quality has gone down too. In the process of replacing the radiator in my suburban and the new trans cooler in the new radiator stripped the threads for the cooler line fittings almost immediately. Took it out to get a warranty replacement and doing a side by side of the trans coolers on the radiators (same make and model, about 10 years apart) the new trans cooler assembly is visibly lower quality than the old one. I wish this were an isolated incident
Bonerchill@reddit
This is a major problem as smaller, quality-focused shops are bought by companies backed by private equity, then are assimilated and the extra bits sold off. I don’t hold the smaller owners responsible- getting offered good money to get rid of 80 hour weeks and the stresses of running a business is something I hoped for when I had a small business.
Wages haven’t kept up with cost of production, so new parts are outside the realm of most peoples’ pocketbooks. I know I can’t afford to pay shipping on a fender from Japan.
It’s also a problem as quality boutique manufacturers are just plain getting old. Some of my suppliers and machinists are in their eighties without a line of succession. When they die, their knowledge dies with them. My head guy died more than a decade ago, so I sent my heads with my cases to a guy who died a decade ago now. After that, I bounced around among useless machinists until I found another great one, who retired a few years ago. Only now have I found
My radiator shop’s owner is 67. No one who works there is under 50. They’re in a gentrifying area. He’s already absorbed the business from businesses local to me and we drive 170 miles round trip to drop off and pick up.
CaptainSquishyCheeks@reddit
Having the exact same problems with my e36 m3 and feel like selling it to not deal with parts problems all the time
China_bot42069@reddit
Firewall forward my car has different body work than the regular non AMG ones. There very few of them made compared to other cars and amgs eventually just used the same basic body panels as the non amgs. If I get into a collision insurance has just been writing them off. You can’t get parts and if you do get parts they cost a fortune now do to availability. I drive careful. But I’ve accept one day she will get wrecked and it will go to the big scrap heap in the sky
PoolAddict41@reddit
Dealers/OE companies aren't going to keep producing parts for 20+ year old cars. They need the manufacturing room for new parts for new cars. If OEM is your only go to, you'll have a tough time with any brand and any car. At least cars like C5, M5, and other popular sports cars, should have good aftermarket markets. I have an 80's Firebird, and I can still get most of the stuff I need through aftermarket support, used, and eBay.
frsguy@reddit
My biggest fear with my charger being awd is finding suspension parts in the near future. I feels it's going to be a pain and because of that prices are going to be jacked up compared to the rwd model. It's the one thing that pushes me to another car. Aside from that I fucking love it.
Notonfoodstamps@reddit
~~cries~~ Laughs in Saab
Certain body pieces for the high-end trim cars are legit unobtainium now. Want a Viggen rear wing or a ‘04-05 Sharktooth 9-5 Aero bumpers? lol
Sell your liver is probably easier than finding a donor car at this point.
Significant_Tax_3427@reddit
Ehh Saab has it pretty good. Good luck finding body parts, yes, but you can absolutely find anything you need to keep your car mechanically sound. The parts arm still existing is a miracle. I rebuilt my whole engine on my 9-5 and was able to find OEM or similar quality parts for everything just by researching every brand of parts available.
jondes99@reddit
I have a C900 and a 99, so you have it pretty good.
I like how OP called out GM doing a poor job with C5 parts since these are the same short-sighted bastards that decided that Saab doesn’t need to keep restocking parts for older cars about 20 years ago. Right at the time that BMW and Mercedes (the 2 brands that GM wanted Saab to compete with using Opel platforms) were rolling out their programs of providing parts for all models forever.
s2kfan@reddit
This post resonates a lot of truth. I own a 2005 LS430 Ultra Luxury and I have had zero luck sourcing new OEM tweeters. Something so simple that really changes the dynamic of driving a car daily is impossible to find. Of course I could rip out the mark levinson system and go aftermarket, but it sucks that I would have to resort for that when I like the OEM sound.
I’ve started parts hoarding for my s2000 CR and I pray Honda will do a good job with parts support.
SimplifyAddLightness@reddit
TheSpeakerShop.com might be a source for rebuild.
Satanic-mechanic_666@reddit
Are you trying to find parts at the dealer? That is your problem. They make parts while the car is new, and that’s it. Why would they continue to support a car they no longer produce? That is the job of the aftermarket.
breakfreeCLP@reddit
I have the same problem because I have a 1992 NSX.
All of those car reviewers on YouTube spout the same stuff about how it is a Honda so it is really reliable.
Yeah it is a Honda but parts are going to wear out regardless and it shared very little with contemporary stablemates.
phxbimmer@reddit
As somebody that owns a 1995 E34 540i/6, I feel your pain. Lots of things aren’t available new anymore so I have to lean on the community for good used parts, or go aftermarket for other parts (diff bushings are very NLA, for example). I’m not gonna stop driving the cars I like because of that though.
Spicywolff@reddit
Fcp Euro carries the ITB rubbers from an aftermarket company. I own a C5 and it’s really not that bad. Literally some of the biggest aftermarket support you could have.
All the rubber around the windshield for the removable roof and all those components. Yes general motor doesn’t make them, but there are aftermarket companies that make them. The only parts that are legitimately hard to get for them is a steering angle sensor, and ECBM for earlier c5.
Why would an OEM keep making parts for a vehicle that’s long been out of production ? They have moved on. They’ve had parts for a very long time already. There’s nothing wrong with aftermarket.
Random_Introvert_42@reddit
There's going to be a MASSIVE "preservation gap" a few years down the line. Not only were "bread and butter" cars of the 80s-2000s preserved even less than older ones, but cars from the turn of the millennium onwards just...can't be kept alive without manufacturer support. You get the usual (trim and specific parts that just get discontinued), but also software you can't even access and control modules that are multi-layered or constructed with a "self destruct" so you can't fix them if they get aging-damage. And with more and more parts requiring to be in some way tied into the software-side of the car you can't even "harvest" donor cars as easily. Some manufacturers do a decent-ish job of long-term support, while others (Hi Stellantis) just completely kill off any sort of historic division.
Collecting cars aside that whole situation is also why I'm very happy with my 90s Daily Driver, because it's at the very end of "you can keep it alive yourself"-era. Yes it got some software, but it's far from modern complexity and the car doesn't care if I grab an ECU or whatever from a different unit of the same type. Plug it in, put power to it, you're good.
pogoturtle@reddit
Well you're problem is the parts counter. Local stores don't carry parts for aging vehicles.
If you looked online you would've been able to find almost anything for the e39
audi27tt@reddit
Much respect to Mazda for keeping NA/NB miata parts available for the biggest club racing series in the world. Doubt they make any money on that.
BigOldButt99@reddit
I've had a few e36 m3s now, I still have one, and thankfully they still sell nearly every single part, either new or someone in the aftermarket makes them. The one thing I can think of getting scarce is the giant rubber door seals that go around the entire driver/passenger doors. They're a single piece of rubber that's like 3 ft in diameter, and when they were available they were like 700 dollars lol. I believe they're NLA so whatever stock is available is the last of it, for now. BMW will sometimes remake old parts in batches.
bruh-iunno@reddit
my car's neither old or rare but trying to find something as simple as drive shafts/cv axles that won't explode in five minutes outside the dealer is really hard
SlimJesusKeepIt100@reddit
I never thought it would happen to me but my Prelude is surprisingly hard to find parts for too
morpowababy@reddit
Maintaining and improving my AMC V8 Jeep truck has taught me many lessons in having to make shit work for myself, or more often because I can now only barely fabricate things, paying 3-4 times more and waiting twice as long for parts to come in the mail.
CompetitiveLake3358@reddit
I love how you can still get just about any part for Miatas. Not only is the aftermarket endless, but Mazda still makes almost every single part for every Miata
SavagRavioli@reddit
Welcome to classic car ownership. This is why they get stored in garages rather than driven, because a random hose cannot be found anymore.
It's always been like this.
Manufacturers are only required to make parts for a time period after the production runs and that's it.
I had a 1995 Jeep Wrangler that I began having trouble finding factory parts for in 2010, when it reached 15 years old.
HackVT@reddit
I owned that M5 and even at the time it was brand new getting parts from Germany was a pain. I feel this.
tharussianphil@reddit
It's part of why I sold my B7 RS4.
EC_CO@reddit
OEM parts availability.... Laughing while searching for parts to restore my '70 Barracuda .... good luck, this is how it works. OEMs are only required to have parts availability from 10 years from the last date of manufacture. This is why the aftermarket exists, to fill those voids for all of us crazies that want to restore something. The great news is that with current and future 3D printing technology, a lot of unobtainium parts are now becoming available to help fill the voids that the aftermarket isn't taking on due to the costs of tooling and molding for limited production runs.
UncleBensRacistRice@reddit
i was expecting the e39 to have limited availability of parts, but im genuinely shocked the c5 was even worse
SchemeShoddy4528@reddit
just because you haven't considered it doesn't mean "no one really talks about" it
parts shortages have been constant since 2019, basically everything shortages. it's crazy that you have this take honestly.
this has really cemented my opinion of you i think lol
C-C-X-V-I@reddit
This is why I bought something with one of the most common engine and transmissions in the US. Every shop is very familiar and every parts store has most everything I'd need.
cheffrey_d@reddit
I’ve been running into this problem on my B7 RS4 recently. With everything that’s gone wrong I’ve run into a part availability problem. Needed an oil cooler fitting… had to custom fab. Needed a throttle body. Had to scour the internet for a used one. Need an AC condenser. Looks like I’m going to have to have one custom made… the car is worth the headache, but man, it really is a headache.
Bandito04@reddit
Ive had shockingly good luck finding what I need using rockauto
I_dig_fe@reddit
Yup the only people making parts for my mustang are dog shit Chinese companies. I couldn't believe it either. It's a mustang there should be parts everywhere. Oh well
WabbitCZEN@reddit
I mean, that's to be expected. With how often every manufacturer goes through model changes and refreshes, it's no surprise that after 10 years or so, stuff starts getting hard to find. And when you get to 20+, there's basically nothing any dealer can do for you at that point.
Alfa16430@reddit
Try getting parts for new(ish) cars. Our 2019 218i cabrio is at the dealer for 3 months now, waiting for the new valve cover to arrive.
6786_007@reddit
Pretty sure Car Wizard also mentioned this in one of his recent videos.
Sfekke22@reddit
Happens to motorcycles as well.
Suzuki's 1400 Cavalcade, an 80's marvel of weird engineering is kept alive by the "Cademaster".
He finds replacements parts, machines new fork braces and can fix the Clarion radio that is known to corrode and short circuit.
When he disappears, the small cult following will dwindle just like what seems to have happened to the Yamaha Venture Royale 1300..
I want a 3D printer, early retirement and more equipment to keep these communities alive.
DiffusedSky24@reddit
Don't forget, a lot of the parts that go into a vehicle are made by suppliers and not the automaker themselves. After 15-20 years, a vehicle is essentially obsolete. They are not going to keep a parts inventory for something they haven't made in 2 decades.
HiTork@reddit
I remember someone telling me how if Ford still made every part for every model they have made in their more than a century plus history, the costs would drive them out of business.
kilroy-was-here-2543@reddit
Wouldn’t surprise me, I’ve seen people try to argue on non car based subs that manufacturers should provide cheap and easy to access parts. Which yes would be ideal, and awesome, but a lot of them simply don’t understand the economics involved in providing parts for cars still in production, much less ones that have been out of production for a few years
mocoyne@reddit (OP)
Yes, and I’m not really “blaming” the manufacturers. Just pointing out that it doesn’t really get brought up when people talk about lusting after xyz nostalgia car.
DiffusedSky24@reddit
A lot of professional restoration shops have to make their own parts when one cannot be sourced and no.....nobody mentions it. Vehicle restoration is a dying hobby anyway, it's way too expensive. The days of buying an old car for $2000, putting a few thousand into it for a pleasure cruiser went out with the Rubix cube. It was always a baby boomer thing started from my father's generation to relive their days of youth.
Gunslingermomo@reddit
Disagree, maybe it was on its way out before covid. But from 2020-2022 far less cars were produced than there was demand for, and even in 2023 less new cars were produced than pre-covid. It will take many more years for the used car market to be saturated at the levels it was pre-covid. That's created a big incentive to increase the longevity of existing cars. They might not be $2000 anymore but older cars aren't just a hobby anymore. Especially for sports car enthusiasts, the new car market hasn't catered to them as much and prices are higher than ever so more are looking to older cars.
EridemicLHS@reddit
that's the benefit of going with semi main stream semi modern cars. people wreck them and create an after market party supply. On my Audis, I've gotten after market parts for pennies on the dollar by getting them from crashed out cars on eBay
Vhozite@reddit
Everytime a Mustang hops a curb fixing my car gets a little easier
Vhozite@reddit
This is exactly why I like my vehicles as mass market as possible and with as large an aftermarket as possible.
RiftHunter4@reddit
Once your car hits 10 years old, replacement parts start to disappear in some degree. For my Highlander, you can find everything, but you'll have to shop around a bit. It's been interesting to see how things taper off and change over time.
_OUCHMYPENIS_@reddit
I've owned an Acura CL type S and currently a GTO. I also owned a Element SC. The first two were hard to find parts for, the GTO is awful and the parts are so expensive. The cl was at least an accord underneath but the body was its own thing and things got expensive. The Element SC shares a lot with the normal element but there are certain things that it doesn't share and those parts get expensive.
I own an '18 ZR2 and luckily while some of the parts are unique to it, they can be replaced fairly easy.
If you want to keep a car for a long time, buy one that sold well. Or if you bought a car that didn't sell well, find the parts that commonly break and start collecting them.
Robots_Never_Die@reddit
There are already parts for a 2019 Corvette that you can't get.
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HiTork@reddit
I think some S197 Mustang parts are already obsolete with the newest models now being 10 years old.
Fcckwawa@reddit
Dude there are gen 3 coyote parts that are all ready obsolete. its worse for newer shit since they didn't make nearly as many and update every few years. literally bought a pallet of the last oem ford sheet metal for 80's fox bodies from a liquidating dealer a few years back.
Historical-Edge-7760@reddit
Not a problem with my crown vic lol
randeus@reddit
I was surprised by how few OEM oil pans for the 3rd gen 5.0L was in stock. Ended up needing to buy a new one on eBay after mine got cracked.
rudbri93@reddit
Yea i bought the last oem bumper cover for my e30 in the USA when i was having it painted. Loads of parts that used to be everywhere are now NLA and the aftermarket companies are playing catchup.
Fit_Equivalent3610@reddit
It's typically even worse with JDM cars, as you have to buy overseas, but alleviated somewhat if your car had a North American analogue (or some close relatives). Telling the parts guy I have a "95 MR2 2 door turbo 2.0" can get a decent amount of routine things that might otherwise be tough.