Does GenX have a lack of empathy?
Posted by revelm@reddit | GenX | View on Reddit | 525 comments
It’s not controversial to say that we GenX have a bit of survivor’s bias. Because we survived, it means that others can too. But I’m being hit by younger male friends that are so whiny and—I swear to Douglas Coupland—seem to want to be victims. I despise when someone equates being talked to with mean words as the same word (“abuse”) as someone who has been in a sexually or physically abusive relationship. So I looked it up and the internet seems to agree that mean words are, categorically, abuse. Huh.
On the one hand, I’m sorry and whatever situation you are in sucks and you don't deserve to be in it.
On the other, fuck off. It’s just mean words. I know a dozen ways to deal with it that don’t include force or violence. I told them to you. You didn’t do any of them. You just want to be a victim.
Am I being an asshat stoic or a typical GenX’er with survivor’s bias?
Hartford0059@reddit
I don't think it is a lack of empathy, but for me it is an avoidance issue. I have always tended to avoid that which makes me uncomfortable.
Mach5Driver@reddit
Growing up a ginger in the 1970s and 1980s, mean words were the LEAST of my problems! You also never cried, because even your best friends would laugh at you. Unless a bone was popping out of your skin, then crying might be considered acceptable.
KiKiSStarr@reddit
We have empathy but we are tired. We've been in survivor mode most of our lives so when we hear younger people "whine" our first instinct is to tell them to pull their head out of their butts and deal with it.
JuJu_Wirehead@reddit
I love hearing them cry about WWIII. Shit, we grew up with the fear of being nuked at any moment, WWIII to us was complete annihilation. Boohoo, another war? Whatever.
KiKiSStarr@reddit
I was thinking about that the other day. I was terrified of Mikhail Gorbachev. The movie The Day After scarred me for life. I didn't think we were going to make it out of the 80's.
tictac120120@reddit
I can give empathy to someone that has given me empathy, support, even help.
But there has to be some good will built up first. If I dont know you, I can't just immediately feel sorry for you. *with some appropriate exceptions.
UnicornOnTheJayneCob@reddit
Right. I honestly think it is evidence of something that got a little broken in us all.
aknightwhosaysnope@reddit
Right? Most of these replies seem to be wearing the “suck it up Buttercup” mentality as a badge of honor, maybe forgetting that that type of shit is why we are the way we are in the first place. Personally I want better for my kids than how I was raised.
Fun_Independent_7529@reddit
"Suck it up, buttercup!"
Guidance-Still@reddit
This
acutomanzia@reddit
Lisa Feldman Barrett, a psychology professor at Northeastern University, wrote an influential 2017 New York Times op-ed discussing the idea that certain forms of speech could constitute a form of violence.
Arguing against this point, Jonathan Haidt and Greg Lukianoff. in their book "The Coddling of the American Mind" they identify what they refer to as the "Three Great Untruths", specifically "What doesn't kill you makes you weaker" (you remember jumping the Radio Flyer wagon with only a piece of plywood and [hopefully] enough speed.
The authors infer college campuses have greatly exacerbated issues by teaching students to interpret words as harmful or dangerous . They go on say that this leads to increased anxiety and emotional fragility, which in turn naturally arrives at students being encouraged avoiding challenging ideas rather than engaging with them. College administrators respond by giving students access to safe spaces - creating a culture of "sefetyism" that paradoxically makes people less resilient.
The overall effect of this new paradigm has showed itself in campus protest culture, calls for speaker dis-invitations, trigger warnings, and sadly the decreased tolerance for ideological differences.
I would encourage everyone to read and fully analyze this book.
Adventurous_Class_90@reddit
We don’t lack empathy; what we lack is a tolerance for bullshit. I think we have a better ear for when someone is in distress versus just experiencing a first world problem. We help the former and mock the latter.
auntieup@reddit
We also don’t appreciate that the worst things that have ever happened have been happening on otherwise gorgeous mornings for our entire lives
DuplexFields@reddit
Not least of which was a cool, clear January morning in 1986 when the brand new television in our classroom showed us the Space Shuttle going up... and then down.
revelm@reddit (OP)
And then they just went on with the school day as if it didn't happen.
Then, it seemed proper.
Now, it seems so freakin' weird that we just saw that and the adults in the room thought we'd best deal with it by memorizing State capitols or whatever.
PersonOfInterest85@reddit
Can you imagine being a school kid on 9/11 or during the pandemic? I don't know what I'd do.
BeckyKleitz@reddit
I was in labor with my eldest daughter on that day. Hadn't gone to the hospital yet, cos I wanted to see the shuttle launch. I did, then had another eight hours of labor and thinking about those poor astronauhts.
jjschoon@reddit
I was in 7th grade and our basketball game was canceled that night because of this. I was pissed. I remember saying, " I know it's not good, but why can't we play basketball?"
auntieup@reddit
THIS.
MikeTheBard@reddit
I was in 6th grade in NH about an hour from where she taught, so there were a number of people at my school who personally knew her from statewide conferences and intermural activities. That was a rough week.
languid-lemur@reddit
>Space Shuttle going up... and then down.
Some in class even cheered...at first.
Prestigious-Joke-479@reddit
Weird, I was a senior in high school, and maybe it was our age, but the Space Shuttle wasn't so much as a big deal. Teens lack empathy for sure.
PorcupineShoelace@reddit
That was a weird one. Rocket blasts off on TV cart...class sings happy birthday to my girlfriend at the time...BOOM.
Mid chorus. BOOM. Um, happy 17th birthday, babe. Can we go home now?
Life-Significance-33@reddit
And the build up for it, a teacher was going into space. It was used across all schools to teach us science and social studies. Look at what a regular teacher could do. And we all sat around watching that frozen seal fail.
Efficient_Salt_8618@reddit
I remember being in 4th grade and the teacher just wheeled the TV out of the room and it was like, that was that. Open your math books to page 54.
whatsthis1901@reddit
That is burned into my memory more than anything else even 9/11. I was at home cutting class because I wanted to watch it.
jacivb@reddit
We had a snow day or something and a bunch of us were playing soccer. One of the moms drove up and told us. I guess she expected us to break down weeping or something, but we kind just kept playing..
bikesgood_carsbad@reddit
I was on the gulf coast of FL at the time. We could go outside and watch it live. So we did. And we saw that.
WeekendAtRustys@reddit
For real!! 😧 there have been generational traumas that cut deep into our hearts.
I don’t compare the suffering of others to a sliding scale, I tend to meet people where they are, but I had to lose that tendency to save or help every single person I came across, so I could save myself.
Any of us who were raised by returning Vietnam Vets have internalized more hurt, neglect and fear than any child should hold.
Doesn’t make me lose my empathy.
I also respect the fact that people make decisions for themselves. They are where they are until they learn and move on.
However, sometimes our circumstances put us in places where a little help is needed.
Gen X has lived long enough now that I think we are careful where we invest ourselves.
nrscoco75@reddit
9/11, Katrina....
Colorful_Wayfinder@reddit
Exactly, that describes the morning weather on 9/11 perfectly.
Consistent-Job6841@reddit
9/11
MountainNovel714@reddit
100% agree w this. I am extremely empathetic as I didn’t get a good start in life from 3 yrs old and the hits kept coming so I’m born a survivor and my mantra is born to suffer so. I hate seeing people ACTUALLY suffer so when I see and hear youth bitch and complain about menial bullshit, I call em out. I have no patience and tolerance for it cuz they have no fucking idea what I’ve been through and no idea what other have been though which can and likely has been far worse, so. So to those entitled whining bubble rapt attention seeking babies, STFU! Grow up
MountainNovel714@reddit
Or when people use the word PTSD for common daily inconveniences. That really irritates me. Bud. You have NO idea! Find another word. Like having an off day.
Individual_Taste_607@reddit
Absolutely. I’m as empathetic as you can get, but also, fuck off with your fake trauma.
Healthy-Magician-502@reddit
You just described me to a tee.
Prestigious_Chard597@reddit
Same... Also, when I watch sports, I don't want the fucking backstory on every player... I really don't care if he has a single mom and went to college on a scholarship...
gordigor@reddit
It's the reason I can't watch 'realty competition' shows. Well it's 10 minutes left, sad maybe but unrelated backstory ... yup, they are getting whatever the 'golden' ticket is for this show.
Prestigious_Chard597@reddit
I FF that shit, and I never watch the first episodes. I will watch Too Chef in 20 mins.
corpus-luteum@reddit
Ah, but what about actors?
One thing GenX can be accused of is falling for the lure of celebrity, and fame. We fed the monster more than most.
deadweights@reddit
WE fed the monster? I’d offer the last two generations as exhibits A-AAAAA. We had The Kiss Army and MTV but the Internet has created a rabid obsession with fame.
There were no “influencers” 🤢in our adolescence. Well, maybe Madonna. But her reach wasn’t as wide as today and she damn sure wasn’t asking for comped hotel rooms because of her Insta follower count.
corpus-luteum@reddit
There might have been no morons who call themselves influenzas but there were definitely people with influence. Sly and Arnie, for a start.
phenomenomnom@reddit
Respectfully, fuck no. Inaccurate.
The whole designation of "Gen X" is a marketing term and one of the main things that made us interesting -- to people who were not us -- was how hard we were to market to.
We were the first media-cynical generation, because we were the first generation of latchkey kids who were babysat by tv after school, and we grew up as the same time as popular music (MTV music as marketing, napster) and the cinema (summer blockbusters like Jaws) did. We could always smell an ad better than most.
And we have always been very wary of corporate attempts to cater to us, that's what indipendent movies and alternative music were all about. It was creator-owned stuff that appealed to us. "Edgy" originally meant "not made by a corpirate committee and didn't have all the rough edges filed off of it;" it was a mark of creativity and determination.
ForswornForSwearing@reddit
Not me. Can't stand celebrity "news", never could.
Ok-Cauliflower-3129@reddit
Personally I never followed that shit. I was more worried about surviving.
Never really went to school, was good at ball and only had to go to practice and games since they said that was the only chance I had at life.
Started working at 10.
Was on the streets really young too because home life was shit.
So the last thing a cared about was somebody on the TV or the movies.
Prestigious_Chard597@reddit
I always laugh at over the top celebrities..
Like Lady Gaga... Taylor Swift and Kelcee, and so many others. Just being out there for the money...
TotallyNotABot_Shhhh@reddit
I do love me some Olympics backstory though. But otherwise yeah-I’m with you on this one.
Prestigious_Chard597@reddit
I'll give you the Olympics, but I don't need my sideline reporter telling me about someone's great grandma made it to the game.
WeekendAtRustys@reddit
There was some shock 😮 after that and no one held “counseling sessions” or called our parents to come get us. I watched the footage of the prep, launch and aftermath decades later. I don’t think I really understood the impact to the astronaut families until later in life.
CoinsForCharon@reddit
I'm empathetic. Hell, I'm a funeral director, it's a required skill. I do have a heavy depression and will regularly shut myself off when it's not needed, and that makes me seem cold and uninterested in everything. And often, that's fair as I am uninterested in everything up until someone calls me that truly needs me, then I'm motivated to move mountains for them just not to do anything for myself. There is no time for fake trauma when I have plenty of my own real trauma to deal with.
FauxRealsies@reddit
I am in social services and 100%.
Standard_Important@reddit
Same here, social work since 2007.
Brother_Farside@reddit
underpaid and burned out too?
RunRunRabbitRunovich@reddit
I feel you. Worked as EMS and in a Coroner’s office and had to compartmentalize my emotions and experiences. Shutting down and pulling myself out of social situations helps me to get semi centered again. Don’t get me wrong I’ll always be broken but it’s in my genetics to keep soldiering on. Hugs to you my friend ❤️🙌
silasgoldeanII@reddit
it's not a fake trauma to them though is it? So congrats, you've "told it like it is"!
I feel tempted to drop in an "ok, boomer" tbh.
mynextthroway@reddit
A boss wanting things done right and getting upset when they aren't isn't abuse. Whining to me about it when I know you can do it and when I know why you don't isn't going to get you any sympathy. Quit trying to make yourself into a victim.
silasgoldeanII@reddit
who's trying to make themself into a victim?
You've just given a very specific example which seems reasonable to me. But that has nothing to do with my comment, which was to do with "fuck off with your fake trauma". I mean this is a thread about empathy and someone just decided what's "fake trauma" and what isn't. Yes, your example might be one where people need to get on with it, I agree, but I thought this was broader than that.
Either way, this is the world we live in now and if we want to get the best out of people we probably need to find a way to do that rather than "fuck off with your fake trauma", you know?
PeopleLikeUDisgustMe@reddit
No. The world is not a kind place. It's ugly and mean, and will kick your ass inside out. You need to adapt or die. Getting yelled at is not trauma. Someone being a dick is not trauma. Your boss telling you to do your job is not trauma. I don't have the ability to deal with you whinging because they asked you to move or took the last apple and was an asshole about it.
I really don't care what you do. I accept and move on. I will not put up with you bitching about nothing. If someone is truly being bullied or it's too much (in my judgement), then I'll step in. Until then, fuck off with your fake shit.
bikesgood_carsbad@reddit
T H I S.
And "ok boomer" applies to actual boomers this is GenX.
Such a lazy, uninspired, rebuke. Low effort/low intelligence remark.
silasgoldeanII@reddit
well yes but the discourse in this thread is awful. The question was around empathy: people are giving off some shockingly unempathetic answers, which, yes, do give off boomer vibes.
bikesgood_carsbad@reddit
I'm afraid civility is long gone on the interwebs. The level of trump hate is fantastically toxic. I'm not saying Kamala doesn't get hate, but from what I've seen, trump hate truly is less than one step from straight up gas chamber, gallows, blood thirsty vitriol
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BeckyKleitz@reddit
Last I checked no one on 'the left' is screaming for tRump or his lackeys to be lined up in front of a firing squad, but I hear tRump screaming about it for Kamala EVERY DAY.
tRump deserves everything he gets.
ginger_kitty97@reddit
The world is a kinder place than it used to be, thanks in part to much of Gen X pushing forward on human rights and equality, refusing to repeat the cycle of abuse in raising our children, and teaching kindness to those Zoomers. They want it to be kinder, they're young and idealistic, just like we once were, and there's not a damn thing wrong with that.
PeopleLikeUDisgustMe@reddit
Ir might seem that way, but with the Israelis and Palestinians killing each other of whose god is better; Russia trying to takeover and eliminate the Ukraine; what the Chinese are doing to the Uyghur Muslims; the rape of the natural world by greedy corporations; and the looming threat of Christian Nationalism/Fascism, I really don't think so. The real world is cold and ugly.
rumbo211@reddit
Whatever. They literally need to be coddled and patted on the back consistently and spoken to very delicately. It's actually rather exhausting.
SingerBrief8227@reddit
THIS. The need for constant attention and external validation is off the charts. I blame The TikTok. Now get off my virtual lawn!
Kaffine69@reddit
We have spidey fakeness radar.
Upset_Consequence_69@reddit
How do you know it’s fake? I’ve been told my whole life I was faking it, that’s not what happened. I was just looking for attention. Well it wasn’t it did happen and I’m worse off for it and the fact that no one believed me.
silasgoldeanII@reddit
well exactly, but our friends here are the arbiters of bullshit and your story wasn't interesting enough for them. Or perhaps not relatable enough.
Upset_Consequence_69@reddit
It wasn’t a story, I was actually abused and I’m talking about the way the adults in my life treated me when I told them.
silasgoldeanII@reddit
Sorry, I get that - I'm on your side and clumsily trying to support your perspective. This thread is full of people saying "quit whining" so when I say "your story" I'm saying that this is how they see it.
Upset_Consequence_69@reddit
And that’s the problem why do they think they get a say in how someone else is feeling. It doesn’t matter how they see it. The only opinion that matters is the one it happened to.
silasgoldeanII@reddit
Exactly.
nrscoco75@reddit
mm-hmm.
ElvisClown@reddit
Because they are literally talking about people who are equating getting yelled at to trauma and abuse, dumbshit. So if you’ve been through actual trauma then the above statement doesn’t fucking apply to you now does it?
Oddly though, for someone who clearly claims that they have been through actual trauma, you seem ready to insert yourself into any conversation and cast yourself in the role of lead victim. Using your victimhood as theatre to demand attention.
Whatever you’ve been through was irrelevant to the conversation, dumbass. Unless, of course, it actually was bullshit.
KerissaKenro@reddit
Main character syndrome and first world problems are kinda how the Boomers wound up the way they did. They were raised as the special-est things ever. Don’t let Gen Z turn into the Boomers. Call out the crap when you see it, teach them empathy, don’t let history try to repeat itself
Available-Bison-9222@reddit
Exactly this. I hear alot of people using therapy speak to justify their own shitty behaviour. Like, I'm sorry you had a hard time but don't use it to treat others badly.
languid-lemur@reddit
>therapy speak
OMG, yes. Do you ever recall anyone having a therapy animal?
Those blind with service dogs sure. But needing your rat on a plane, come on.
Available-Bison-9222@reddit
It more "He has childhood trauma that causes his to verbally abuse his girlfriend " type of excuse.
languid-lemur@reddit
Lol, likely.
Which_Current2043@reddit
Ugh, that is just nasty. Might as well let people bring livestock on the plane
Although a therapy chicken or therapy pig would be cool
IfICouldStay@reddit
I hate the weaponized therapy-speak! Someone tells you something you don’t want to hear? Gaslighting!
thecardshark555@reddit
Seriously- people throw around the word gaslighting like they actually know what it means.
wordwallah@reddit
I am about to make all of them watch the whole movie.
IfICouldStay@reddit
Well, that’s actually a treat. Great movie.
SingerBrief8227@reddit
I was accused of DARVO’ing someone the other day. I suggested the complainant contact the property manager about a building issue that doesn’t affect me and they took my brief response as me denying the problem existed and making it all about me. I was quite confused. Apparently recommending that a fellow resident notify the property manager to fix their unit’s broken door lock is the equivalent of DARVO now? 🤷♀️
Digitalispurpurea2@reddit
Do they not understand what the job of property manager is? Unless you broke the lock I don’t get why they’re mad at you. Maybe she just wanted someone to empathize with and not a solution? Apparently they need to google DARVO like I just did.
SingerBrief8227@reddit
I was quite confused myself despite being familiar with the term.
More_Pineapple3585@reddit
SingerBrief8227@reddit
DARVO = Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender
bikesgood_carsbad@reddit
I've started using it back on them. Immediately.
Rude-Management-4455@reddit
If I hear that one more person is a narcissist I don't know what I'm going to do.
If someone is truly a narcissist than they were no doubt pretty badly abused or neglected as children and deserve some empathy and possibly a wide berth.
Available-Bison-9222@reddit
Also, being a selfish dick doesn't make a person a narcissist.
Ok_Grocery1188@reddit
Yeah, they just want to pull others down into their "misery crab bucket."
Reeeeallly@reddit
I see you've met my son.
Ok_Grocery1188@reddit
No, but I'm sure he's "lovely."
dawnhulio@reddit
My fave is the overuse and misuse of ‘triggered / triggering’
‘That so triggers me, I’ll be in a bad place all afternoon because you seem to be ignoring the plight of ****’, for example….
…from the time I was leaning over the breakfast bar eating dinner, trying not to get chili on the front of my shirt, when a family member was watching a movie about WWII. Like, are you fucking kidding me???
She would not let up. My spouse ended up asking her what her deal was, and said ‘uh, she’s just trying not to spill chili all over herself…’
(I’m a messy eater, obviously)
Sirenista_D@reddit
You got it so right! And now I'm seeing the parallel of how I parent. Kid starts whining about something. HARD STOP! Change the tone, start over, use your words. The second she was a little sick and whined, it all changed to "my baby! Let mama take care of you!" falling all over myself to care for her.
Bottom line - tons of empathy when real, no fucks given when not
gwar37@reddit
This. I am very, very empathetic, but I won't suffer fools and don't shy from confrontation.
Guidance-Still@reddit
People today tend to make a mountain out of a mole hill , and let it eat them up for days
MommaBear354@reddit
My daughter is this way. Sometimes I just wanna scream "GET OVER IT" but alas I do not.
Guidance-Still@reddit
Yes I get that it's like they are scared to ask for advice from their parents
WeekendAtRustys@reddit
And years and decades.
Guidance-Still@reddit
Yeah that as well lol.
ImNot@reddit
Exactly this. I have empathy in abundance. I will do everything I can to help you get out of your horrible situation , support you emotionally, be a friend.
But if you succeed to escape and then choose to go back??? Fuck off.
Don't make an effort to help yourself? Off you fuck.
Whine about things literally everyone has to endure?? You're a fuck.
brookish@reddit
However we are learning more and more about the real psychological and physiological effects of trauma. What we all once considered bullshit me get be more legitimate than we assume. New research seems to indicate this. I denied having any trauma for 50 years and then discovered that a lot of my health issues stemmed from that trauma remaining unaddressed.
Adventurous_Class_90@reddit
I should be clearer. There’s a difference between “ugh, I wanted purple not red” versus “oh my god. I don’t know if I can handle another thing on my plate.”
If you are feeling overwhelmed and alone, you need to seek the help of professional counselors/therapists to help you. I cannot overstate the value of a good counselor to help you sort out these issues.
And note: these issues may not be clinical (i.e., diagnosed illnesses) but they can and will have real long term effects on your mental and physical health.
If you feel overwhelmed, like things are out of control, or you need help, go here:https://locator.apa.org
Routine-Value356@reddit
Yes! I think we just have very finely tuned bullshit meters.
minnesotawristwatch@reddit
Very well said.
languid-lemur@reddit
>We don’t lack empathy
We also don't immediately run to social media to humble brag about our "trauma". Or "trauma" you witnessed or "trauma" you heard about. Yes, life sucks and very often does not seem fair. But it also cycles, you have good times and bad. So wait it out and shut up in the meantime.
Fullonski@reddit
I used to believewhat your first sentence said. Then I watched the whole Trump/MAGA thing unfold, noticed how many Gen-Xers there are at these rallies (biggest cohort, I would say) and think the BS radar has been permanently switched off. From an overseas perspective, the whole maga thing is fucking insane, and Gen X is leading it.
Competitive-Bee7249@reddit
Where did Maga come into this ? Your tds is showing . You may wanna tuck that back in. This is exactly what we are talking about. Now off to your safe space .
Fullonski@reddit
Anyone who believes what Trump says has no BS radar, that was the point I was responding to. No better example. Keep clinging to guns and religion, Cletus
Competitive-Bee7249@reddit
Right back to Trump. My God. Get help . This is no way to go through life .
silasgoldeanII@reddit
do you not see the relevance to OP's point though? Trump is mocking the disabled, name-calling wherever he can, generally making shit up, and half the country is like "yeah!", this is who we want as our leader! It's very relevant to the discussion.
Competitive-Bee7249@reddit
I bet you think there is no voter fraud ? Right . Trump siad there is so by your comment he is lying ?
Monroe County District Attorney said the fraudulent voter registration forms were traced to FieldCorps whose clients included Biden-Harris, Mark Kelly and Arizona Democrats. Calls to the number listed went unreturned and the FieldCorps website was mysteriously taken down.
Just making shit up. How come this shit comes up one sided all the time ? I believe you believe what your saying. Get help . You were lied to.
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Dr_Drax@reddit
Sure, but there were no actual fraudulent votes. Sure, there is one example of a Democratic contractor cheating to meet their quotas, along with MANY examples of contractors to Republican PACs doing so. And in all cases we know of, the bad registrations were caught and no fraudulent voting occurred.
Here's an article about it:
Despite Trump’s Claim, No Ballots Have Been Found Fraudulent in Lancaster County https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/04/us/trump-ballot-fraud-lancaster-county.html
da_impaler@reddit
The Twilight Zone theme song is playing in my head as I read your comment.
silasgoldeanII@reddit
they went through the courts, nobody found anything. Trump's whole credo for life has been never admit wrongdoing, never back down, never concede. He's a crook (obviously).
StrainAcceptable@reddit
Remember it’s half the voters (less than half since Trump will never win the popular vote) so less than 25% of the country is with him.
Competitive-Bee7249@reddit
No one brought up Trump. You ok? I should have become a therapist. That tds is gold .
silasgoldeanII@reddit
Trump was brought up a couple of comments up the thread...
da_impaler@reddit
Anyone who believes what Trump says is a retard. There. I said it.
Self-Comprehensive@reddit
Diapers. Trash bags. Ear maxi pads. And you think Trump has made Democrats deranged. Bless your heart.
PerformanceSmooth392@reddit
When I hear TDS I can't help but laugh. Originally, it was ODS during the 8 years of Obama and many on the right still have it today. The least you MAGA could do would be to come up with something original.
ontime1969@reddit
Look at all the trouble you are causing, and you don't even live in America. Right, Mr Australian? Just randomly bringing up politics of others nations in a discussion to bait people is not correct Gen X behavior. You clearly don't get what our generation is about Mr born in the 80s.
No one wants to debate politics in here and in this thread. Now go eat a vegemite sandwhich and leave us to our brooding solitude.
Consistent-Job6841@reddit
Gen X is too unbothered to lead anything let alone hate filled MAGAs.
autumnsilence37z@reddit
While I wouldn't say that Gen X is leading MAGA or the biggest cohort supporting it (Boomers get that disgrace), I'm extremely disappointed that so many do support him.
It's insane in the States as well. We are not ok.
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Competitive-Bee7249@reddit
So sorry you are disappointed. Who is we? 100 million people use a government form and thier voices are 100 million times yours . You should feel really small. Need a cupcake ?
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autumnsilence37z@reddit
We, as in Americans, are not ok.
Go fuck off while you vote for that garbage human being. You should be ashamed of yourself that you fell hook, line and sinker for his fear mongering, bigoted, violent rhetoric. He doesn't give a fuck about you. He just wants a pat on the head and a cookie and for everyone to tell him how great he is. He is the one that needs all the attention and cupcakes.
I'm in a battleground state so not feeling very small about my vote.
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Competitive-Bee7249@reddit
The media got ya bud . With out them you have nothing . They really did a number on ya . Maybe you should get another booster? Is that a Russian squirrel behind that tree ?
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Chazzam23@reddit
"The media" literally reporting on his monstrous behavior/nature for 9 years and him failing to show even one human virtue in a compelling or sustained way during that period. That darn media. What a victim that silver spoon billionaire felon is.
GenX-ModTeam@reddit
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Agreeable-Ad-5235@reddit
I see a huge uproar coming no matter who wins. The country is already so divided.
Fullonski@reddit
Good luck tomorrow, hope it at least goes smoothly
autumnsilence37z@reddit
It won't. It's going to be a mess. We're going to hear endless whining and crying about how the election is rigged and have to wait while endless recounts are done.
bee_sharp_@reddit
Nah, generationally, those older than X still are majority Republican while X is 50/50. But it’s super cool to hear that the commentariat, which went straight from Boomers to Millennials for years, has decided that X is to blame if the USA becomes a fascist state. 🙄
Fullonski@reddit
They're not exactly fucking saving the place, mate.
Jaded-Respect7895@reddit
Same attitude as everyone has about us: Fuck 'em
finefergitit@reddit
This is so spot on! We are a different breed for sure! lol I love us though
SKULLDIVERGURL@reddit
Spot on! We learned how to fend for ourselves and expect the same from other groups. “Life is hard. Suck it up and do something about it. “
NorseGlas@reddit
This is the answer.
Unfortunately the younger generations had their hands held a lil too much, just as much as ours had to figure shit out on our own.
And they tend to be a lil dramatic.
AnitaPeaDance@reddit
silasgoldeanII@reddit
why are you mocking anyone being upset though? How does that help anything?
Adventurous_Class_90@reddit
There are levels to mockery, going from mild teasing all the way up through dismissive full on mockery. It depends on who, what, and perceived motives for complaining.
silasgoldeanII@reddit
Yes of course. But a lot of nastiness has been sold as humour over the years.
B-AP@reddit
People have to release their emotions. It’s not always in the right way.
xczechr@reddit
Agreed. Posers are the worst.
siamesecat1935@reddit
Exactly. I can be empathetic when necessary, and its warranted, BUT, someone who is "triggered" by something small, dumb, and meaningless? Nope. suck it up buttercup. Life is not fair.
Adventurous_Class_90@reddit
And it’s not even suck it up buttercup. “Hey, in the grand scheme of things, how important is this really? Is it going to hurt you on an ongoing basis?”
At least a little bit of mental toughness is really important. People need to know how to ask for help when they’re in distress and know when it’s better to “walk it off.”
We’re the first generation to really embrace therapy. Therapy helps, even if it’s someone saying: so why are you carrying that burden?
SocialChangeNow@reddit
But even one "in distress" has to make a choice to overcome. Or not. No matter how bad the abuse is, from simply mean words to daily ass beatings for no good reason or repeated saxual assault, everyone must at some point choose to overcome.
What doesn't kill me makes me stronger. You can only be a victim the first time. After that you're a volunteer. As a kid who was mercilessly bullied from 5th to 11th grades, these are my mottos. If even one of us can rise above it, then none of us have an excuse.
The reason I feel this strongly about this is because the price to pay for having it any other way is simply too high. If we, as a society decide we're collectively responsible, then The State will be all too happy to step up at our urging and impose what I like to call 'The tyranny of empathy'. And while that's certainly already here, it can always get worse. It can also (with some difficulty) be rolled back.
deadweights@reddit
You’ve captured Gen X so beautifully in just a few words. Honestly I was just wondering the other day what the fuck was wrong with me; grouchy, impatient, but able to turn on a dime to help someone in real need.
We’re our Boomer (mostly Boomer) parents’ children, so we can be blunt. That “offends” some people which furthers your point about first world problems. Well said.
TheEnigmatyc@reddit
Acceptable_Result488@reddit
💯
The_Dude_2U@reddit
100%!
PLANETaXis@reddit
It's great that younger people are removing the stigma around mental health and are more openly talking about their issues, but I feel that a bunch of words get mis-used and turned into a misdiagnosis.
You can be nervous (anxious) about something without having clinical anxiety. You can be sad (depressed) about something without having clinical depression. Both are normal and we've all had to go through it from time to time. It's annoying and I lose empathy when people exaggerate them into an "condition" that prevents them getting on with life.
Guidance-Still@reddit
They self diagnose themselves
SouthOfOz@reddit
I have a co-worker who self-diagnosed autism. I won't even try to understand that.
cavalier78@reddit
Throw a bunch of toothpicks on the ground and see how fast they count.
WeekendAtRustys@reddit
How sad. 😔 do they have Anyone around them with autism? (Besides themselves?). It’s not something I would want.
Guidance-Still@reddit
Nope it all goes away when they leave work.
Ok_Grocery1188@reddit
Cos-playing autism. Nice. s/
Guidance-Still@reddit
Wtf really? I swear half this shit is made up just so they don't have to deal with the reality of life outside of home or school
SouthOfOz@reddit
My dude she asked ChatGPT of all things. But the weird thing is that it's apparently just for her, because she won't go to a doctor because she doesn't want it on her health record. So I don't know if it's just so she can say she's autistic or what. She told me and I was just, "huh, interesting." And I walked away.
Guidance-Still@reddit
It's a flex to get out of hard stuff at work etc
tictac120120@reddit
Honestly, people really hate when I say this but there are plenty of therapists out there that will give you whatever diagnosis you want, I have family in the field that are very frustrated with this. They get clients with five different disorders, four of which they dont have but they were diagnosed by other professionals.
They might even have to convince people they have the disorder, specialist are particularly guilty of this because they think every person out there has this disorder.
As a mom I had other moms tell me "I'll tell you which therapist to see to get your son diagnosed with ADHD you want so you can medicate him."
Mental health diagnosis does not require any biological test.
Guidance-Still@reddit
Oh of course they just tell you what you want to hear , and people get this and they use it as a crutch at work and school etc
aethelberga@reddit
We're pathologising the normal human experience.
MikeTheBard@reddit
To be fair, we've also created a society built around systematically breaking people.
PLANETaXis@reddit
Nailed it.
Flahdagal@reddit
I appreciate this comment. People need to hear that "being anxious" does not equate to having anxiety attacks. There are plenty of things that can make you feel anxious or stressed, you may even have days when you can't face people, but that is not at all the same as a clinical diagnosis of anxiety disorder.
77pearl@reddit
As someone with diagnosed and medicated general and acute anxiety, the number of times I had to explain that being anxious about something that was inherently stressful wasn’t a disorder. Hyperventilating and throwing up in the frozen foods isle in Safeway at two pm on a Tuesday for no explicable reason, however, definitely was.
OctopusParrot@reddit
When I was a poor grad student, we used to make money volunteering as healthy subjects in medical studies. I remember I did one where they were testing new anti-anxiety medications, but to see if they worked they had to induce a full-blown panic attack first. They did it by having you breath in a gas mixture that was heavy in CO2 which apparently makes that happen. HOLY SHIT I was not prepared for just how incredibly awful that was going to be. I bailed right away. If that's what people who have legit general anxiety disorder have to live through every day then I have immense sympathy for them, and also no time to spare for someone who's slightly nervous complaining about "debilitating anxiety."
JuJu_Wirehead@reddit
Same. My wife had an anxiety attack recently and was freaking out, and I just calmly walked her through her attack, asked if her chest hurt, etc, just to make sure it wasn't a heart attack. It scared the shit out of her, and I told her, now you know what I deal with multiple times a day.
WeekendAtRustys@reddit
And if you need me to, I would sit with you until til you could stand up again.
I’m sorry you deal with that!
siamesecat1935@reddit
Right? I will admit, I do suffer from some mild anxiety, never enough to have an attack, but enough that it was affecting me. So I talked to my dr., started on a low dose of an anti anxiety med, which helped me, and got on with my life. I don't dwell on it, overthink it, OR overshare it with anyone, not even my BF.
Blue85Heron@reddit
So much of present day “social anxiety” makes me think of being a kid and going with your mom to visit people you didn’t know ( her old school friend or someone.) Those people had kids you didn’t know. When all the kids were, inevitably, pushed out the door and told to play outside, you just…got on with making friends with these strangers and had a great day together. That’s the Gen-X version of “Social Anxiety.”
ginger_kitty97@reddit
Or got bullied or shunned.
MrPodocarpus@reddit
Agree with this. Its wonderful that mental conditions are now more out in the open but the negative side to that is that everything is now being over-diagnosed and labelled. People who would once be dismissed as daydreamers, weirdos, introverts, eccentrics, are now grouped under clinical disorders like bipolar, ADHD, PTSD, depression, anxiety, etc (and consequently medicated). Of course there are plenty of genuine cases as well but theres less room to be quirky or off-the-wall these days without someone suggesting you might be suffering form of mental health issue.
eurydice_aboveground@reddit
I had to seek therapy on my own for anxiety and depression and the eating disorder that I used to cope with it. I had to ask at 15 for someone to help me. I wish my parents had been the type to check in, but that's not how they were. I kept things from them as a result. My nephew (younger millennial) has a very different approach to mental health, my brother and his ex were both proactive in getting him help, so I think we're learning from what our parents didn't do. Mental health is health, period.
Federal-Neat7833@reddit
I take meds for depression and anxiety, my millennial son said that his girlfriend (/who is a nurse) had told him I could go on disability and give up my job( I work as a support worker with people with disabilities and a housekeeper)” you should do it mum!” , I legit laughed in his face and said “ I’m not going on fucking disability! I take a pill every day that fixes that problem and m fine- I’m not sitting on my arse taking money from the government when there are people who really need those funds!”
crocodiletears-3@reddit
Right?! Like sitting home all day collecting disability will make like with anxiety and depression so much better. Sometimes you just have to wrestle with the problem and push through it.
zilchxzero@reddit
GenX is the new boomer. It's just that some of us haven't figured that out yet
zilchxzero@reddit
After last night I feel this statement is 100% validated
zilchxzero@reddit
lol, truth can be triggering
Optimus_Prime_10@reddit
The exit poll results indicate a lack of empathy, yes.
Competitive-Bee7249@reddit
Nytimes. Lol got any CNN or msnbc ? I believe you believe that. Them Russian Haitians sure do act well. Russian hoax is back. Never mind the millions they brought in illegally and spent 150 billion to keep and none will vote I'm sure .lol fbi is a lock .
Madame_Kitsune98@reddit
You may want to back off the drugs.
Competitive-Bee7249@reddit
BOOM BABY . TO BIG TO RIG .
BarnabasDK-1@reddit
Some younger people have being a victim at the core of their personality. It is the center of their understanding of themselves and the world they live in. If you press them who is oppressing them - "they are".
When you ask who "they" are - they usually freak out, because what is at the center of their personality doesn't have an answer.
It is, if anything is, the definition of a looser attitude.
Here is an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf7LPnd7PD4
fragglerocktroll@reddit
exactly lots of fake trauma nowadays, we had kurt cobain and know real trauma, oh wait he was kind of a whiner also like the kids nowadays
Ebessan@reddit
Yes, I would say there are a lot of Gen X douche bags.
A lot of the men have that whole "don't be a pussy" thing when someone is hurt by one of their insults (but then of course they are devastated when someone insults them back).
We were just as whiny and sensitive when we were young, and much more ignorant.
Hungry-Industry-9817@reddit
I so empathetic, I can’t watch situational comedies. It is too embarrassing.
RevereTheAughra@reddit
fucking thank you! I can't stand the Office. I do not understand Parks & Rec. I couldn't deal with Simon Cowell. I thought I was the only one lol
tictac120120@reddit
I hated Simon Cowell, I could not understand why everyone thought he was so great.
grahsam@reddit
We are conditional with our empathy and sympathy. We grew up in a very transactional world. The 80s changed a lot about how people deal with each other and their relationships with possessions. I think we learned that some people really need and deserve help, on an individual level. I also think we learned we can't save everyone, and if you give them a chance, some people will drag you down with them.
A few months ago I said something on this forum about us leaving our money to younger generations as we die. If they are quiet, and wait their turn, they will get whatever scraps are left. We are a small and short lived generation. But don't give us any lip. We are perfectly content to donate all of our money to a koala chlamydiae clinic in our will just to give the undeserving the finger. We are the sort of generation that will save a three legged abused dog from a burning building and let the abusers die in the fire.
JaBe68@reddit
I am waiting for all the Reddit posts saying "My GenX dad (who never understood me so i went no contact with him) left all his money to a charity for sick goats - am I the asshole if I sue to get the will overturned?"
jharel@reddit
Good thing I don't have kids
Consistent-Job6841@reddit
And that’s why I plan on trying to spend every last dollar lol.
JaBe68@reddit
My parents joined the SKI club when they retired - Spend the Kids Inheritance. I love them for it. They had so much fun before my dad passed. I never want to live waiting for my parents to die so I can be financially better off.
MikeTheBard@reddit
My uncle tells me I'm getting everything when he dies. I'm just thinking that he's either I'm going to drop dead before he does, or he'll live long enough for a nursing home to take everything.
Greasystools@reddit
I’m so happy to read this because my mom and stepdad (been together 50 years) just told me they are splitting my inheritance (only child) with my stepdads niece and nephew. I grew up with him spoiling me saying, you will have everything of mine when I die, why wait until then to spend it? Sweet, right? And then nope, we are giving you a third. However, I get their house which by the time they die will be worth at least a million so my housing is taken care of for life. Now I think they plan to spend their money on themselves and not really have much to dole out when they die and that makes me feel better. Thanks.
GirlScoutSniper@reddit
My parents used to say, "We're spending your inheritance." and we always reply, "Enjoy!"
My dad died in June, and I'm so glad he was able to go on the cruise to Antarctica a few months before his death. And, when my mom when on a solo cruise in August, because they always went on one for his birthday, it was bittersweet.
aknightwhosaysnope@reddit
Jfc I HATE it when my folks say that. Next time they do I’m gonna tell them I’m selling their corpses to the highest bidder so I can get something, and see how they react.
GirlScoutSniper@reddit
I'll try that next time!
siamesecat1935@reddit
Oh I love that! My mom, sadly, is spending all her money too, but on nursing home care. Which is fine; i want her well taken care of. I don't want anything material from her, just having her around is enough. she's still mentally with it, so we still talk daily, and I visit a couple of times a week. We compare books, talk about current events, and b*tch over the hard words on Wordle. hahaha
NotSlothbeard@reddit
I’m sorry. Here’s where I can empathize: My mom spent her life savings on very nice private assisted living. Well, technically, since she had Alzheimer’s and I was her power of attorney, I spent it for her.
siamesecat1935@reddit
Thank you. where she is actually is very nice; part of the retirement community she was already in, in an independent apartment. One of the reasons she chose to move to this one. The care is very good; staff is good, no real issues, aside from a bunch of times she got the wrong meals (not what she had ordered). But all in all, its nice. its newer to ALL private rooms. she shares a bathroom, but both she and her suitemate need assistance so not an issue. Currently working on her Medicaid app, as the money is going FAST.
NotSlothbeard@reddit
Yeah it is not cheap. I think I burned through a quarter of a million on assisted living for my mom. It sucks that my parents saved their whole lives only for the money to go to that, as opposed to travel or something they would enjoy.
siamesecat1935@reddit
Oh I agree. It really does suck. thankfully, she will be able to stay where she is, even on Medicaid, so I am happy about that. And she's not far from me, and even closer to my BF's house, so it really all works out very well.
-DethLok-@reddit
Hence you leave the kid something, and perhaps say why - so that your will is much harder to overturn as it shows you thought about what to leave the kid and why they got the matching salt & pepper shakers that they hated instead of the trust fund they wanted.
DisturbingPragmatic@reddit
That's why you always leave the person you want to fuck over 1 dollar. That way, it shows that you actually thought about them while writing the will, and decided they were going to inherit 1 dollar. It mitigates potential estate disputes where they try to say, "well, I wasn't in the will, so they forgot about me because of their dementia!", or, "Someone told them to keep me out of the will!".
It's a great way to fuck someone over.
languid-lemur@reddit
Years ago reading this would have said "Bullshit!". A few days ago see a vid circulating from a girl stating she lost her dad. Am thinking "Poor girl, am sorry he died.". Nope, her dad didn't die. She cut off all contact with him because he voted in a way she disagreed with. Good Lord!
Digitalispurpurea2@reddit
Kids, we listened to you and heard your problems but expected you to fix them yourself and not wait for everything to be handed to you.
WeekendAtRustys@reddit
I feel this comment in my soul!
My grandmother died in 1980. She left a small trust fund that was well invested, less than $20k. I went to undergrad with it and got 2 Bachelor degrees, I also got braces as a teen. It changed my life.
If I left $200k to my grands, it would be gone in a year with no diploma, property, security, trade school, or legit business to show for it. It would be spent in 1-2 years. It will not impact their life.
One-Rip2593@reddit
Wait, you have money?
Sumeriandawn@reddit
What's a transactional world? I tried to look up the meaning and found no results.
PLANETaXis@reddit
It's where interactions are treated as a transaction and people keep a keep a mental tab of that they have given/received from each other and change behaviour accordingly.
E.g. instead of helping someone because its the nice/ right thing to do, they might only do it if they expect something in return.
grahsam@reddit
This. Thank you.
atypical_lemur@reddit
See Material Girl by Madonna
Consistent-Job6841@reddit
Well said.
Crafty-Ticket-9165@reddit
Your last sentence is so true.
RevThwack@reddit
Boomers lack empathy because their sense of entitlement completely drowns out everything else.
I have empathy, I just don't have the motivation left to display it after continuing to struggle bus through the rest of the bullshit.
Bitter_Enthusiasm239@reddit
Have you considered that maybe you’re just an asshole sometimes… and perhaps it doesn’t have anything to do with being GenX? I mean, other than having Boomer parents who were emotionally immature and abusive (think “tough love” which is actually straight-up abusive) to the point that you’re impatient with and intolerant of people who are less “thick-skinned” than you? No? Just me? 😥
Desperate-School4939@reddit
this is a generational shift and, the young people have got this one correct.
our Gen X was full of 'jokes' that werent really jokes and 'playful teasing' that was not really playful. 'hazing' that never actually resulted in the person being accepted into the in-group.
as someone who wants to stay employed, i am learning as fast as i can from the young people on this new way of thinking and acting. i actually prefer it.
revelm@reddit (OP)
OP here. I like your vibe.
Now, would you say that mean words are abuse? On the order of other forms of abuse? I guess that's my issue. That, and also not knowing that apparently everyone else thinks being a dick is the same as being an abuser.
Desperate-School4939@reddit
Emotional abuse and verbal abuse are are both considered a thing now. They aren't the same as physical abuse but they are considered to cause real damage to mental health. Suicide is a leading cause of death among young people. So i dont pretend to understand everything thats going on but i can understand things have changed since i was a kid and I'm OK changing with the times. Not a hill im interested in dying on.
nrscoco75@reddit
It seems that anything that's not pleasant or in agreement is deemed "abuse".
Desperate-School4939@reddit
that does tend to be the downfall of this approach so it does require some way to bring up unpleasant things in a certain way.
After_Preference_885@reddit
Research says yes but an alarming number of Gen x seen to believe the same shit boomers did and are getting their "information" from dubious sources
ginger_kitty97@reddit
Verbal abuse can be one of the most damaging forms of abuse. It doesn't leave a visible mark. It doesn't fix any problems. It can destroy people. And you never really know what a person might have gone through in the past or could be going through outside of the situation your interaction entails. Of course, criticism and correction are a requirement of life, but they don't have to be destructive. I literally spend all day every day communicating with people about how to do things correctly and helping them get their work right, but I've never been accused of abuse.
whatsthis1901@reddit
The funny thing is that I work with about a dozen Gen Z and double that for Millennials and the truth of the matter is they don't like the bullshit either and will talk crap about people behind their backs all of the time.
Desperate-School4939@reddit
just to clarfiy, i did not flip a switch and become a "de-escalated communicator' who can easily share my criticisms on a topic or work without shitting all over someone. in fact i did that the other day. its a constant struggle. but im trying.
LastTopQuark@reddit
There's a newish method called non violent communication that is probably more accurately explained and not as ambiguous as the whining. The younger generations indicate what is wrong, as opposed to what to do, which is a foreign idea to us as Gen X.
littleheaterlulu@reddit
I wouldn't call it newish. My parents were fans of it in the 1970s and IIRC it was already popularized from the 1960s at that point.
LastTopQuark@reddit
Compared to the Sumerians, it's pretty new. It certainly isn't adopted or heard of by most people, or even 25%, hence 'newish'.
Bleedingeck@reddit
I was a freaking nurse, for ten years, I hope not!
Sufficient_Stop8381@reddit
I’m more apathetic
failed_orgasm@reddit
Used to be empathetic. Life beat that shit out of me really quickly.
216_412_70@reddit
No, we’re just tired of self inflicted drama
Bertybassett99@reddit
Surrounded by pussies mate.
Typical-Emu8124@reddit
No. People just need to stop being so sensitive.
StopSignsAreRed@reddit
Like any generation, our empathy covers a whole spectrum from super empathetic to don’t give a fuck.
virtualadept@reddit
I have thoughts about this, but I don't know if it's because of where I grew up or not; the sample size is very small. And I don't want to turn this into - excuse me - trauma dumping on the subreddit.
Many_Dark6429@reddit
i can't give empathy for people that made their situation worse
NinjaPilotX@reddit
I think we have a healthy amount of empathy. We just don’t feel the need to post about on social media. Ours is a composed empathy. We don’t break down into tears and snots for likes and clicks
Parlava@reddit
I'm very empathic but only for the right people and reasons. Today, oh man...words hurt me, everything is a "trigger" for everything, everything makes me anxious, etc. I have had bad anxiety since like 20 or so and do what needs to be done to control it and live a great life. It's that I don't have tolerance nor do I wish to engage in the dramatic society we live in, where everything is a crisis, everyone is a victim and nothing is my fault. I just laugh, but in reality it's a slap in the face to people who truly do struggle with anxiety, people that are actual victims, and people who own up to their own mistakes. Today's society is garbage, so for me it's that I do not engage nor care about irrelevant bullshit!
bottegasl@reddit
tons of gen x are narcs
Consistent-Job6841@reddit
I was watching this season on Love is Blind and this one guy keeps going on and on about how he was called out his name and he never wants to see the woman who said it again, just real bitch ass stuff. I’ve seen a lot of that behavior and victimization over the slighted slight amongst this cohort and I’m not here for it. If there was ever a reason to stick to my own generation, this is it.
DeeLite04@reddit
Oh yeah I know who you’re talking about on that show. The irony was I think he himself is a kind of bully. When he met the girl he matched with him kept egging her on making that barking noise over and over even when she asked him to stopped interesting he’s so butthurt when she calls him a name. He’s a typical “I can dish it out but I can’t take it” dude
Consistent-Job6841@reddit
The name she called him seemed appropriate to me. Lol.
DeeLite04@reddit
Same. He just doesn’t like being told he is what he is.
littleheaterlulu@reddit
I don't know the show but I get the gist and your comment reminds me of a cross-stitch (of all things) I saw recently and love: "Sorry I called you an asshole. I thought you already knew" :)
DeeLite04@reddit
Haha omg that’s classic. I need that one!
curseduterus@reddit
This is exactly why my relationship with my gen X ex-bf died. He thought screaming and swearing at me was normal and love, he thinks "fuck face" is an ok thing to call someone you love because its just words. He also couldn't take an ounce of constructive criticism nor could he be bothered to change because he was "right" just by virtue of wanting to be right. This is also why I have no plans on dating a Gen Xer again.
Blurghblagh@reddit
Some people use constructed victimhood as a weapon. Most people who claim to be offended are in reality not at all offended. It is a tactic used by those who have no genuine claim or argument to make.
Used-Inspection-1774@reddit
Hurt people hurt people.
snackcakessupreme@reddit
I find a lot Gen X put conditions on empathy. Many of us only empathize if we feel what the person is upset about is also something we would be upset about. Or, we don't have much patience for things we think are easier than what we went through. Really big into the idea that we survived much worse than what later generations go through. I've been guilty of it myself. It is kind of hilarious considering how many of us laugh at our parents' "I walked 5 miles through the snow twice day to get educated" stories.
lifegenx@reddit
No you are NOT being an asshat. I agree with your every word.
tetsu_no_usagi@reddit
I have the fake US Army Hurt Feelings Report form on the wall of my cubicle at work. It encapsulates my feelings towards the Biggest Victim Competition we see in society today. Get over yourselves.
Just recently a coworker asked the rest of us to stop talking about guns. There's a few of us that are gun enthusiasts and sometimes we talk about them like any other hobby. But apparently just talking about them upsets young Mr Sensitive. I am trying to get a private moment with this coworker to find out where the sensitivity comes from, as if there is actual trauma there (a family member suicided by firearm, for instance), I can respect that. But if it's merely watching too many news stories, as I suspect is the case, I do not have sympathy one for your imagined trauma. Suck it up, buttercup, the world sucks.
littleheaterlulu@reddit
Thank you for the form! I'm printing it out right now :)
fusionsofwonder@reddit
You don't have to empathize when someone is being melodramatic.
Also, someone being mean to you doesn't automatically mean you get to escalate the situation to violence.
paulmania1234@reddit
Both my parents were abused as children and came from bad family backgrounds. Getting any empathy out of them was like trying to juice a beet. My parents were too busy dealing with their own trauma as they grew into true adulthood to be parents. I thoroughly resented my parents blindness to my needs but I can understand it. I think the generations that came after us got a level of care and support they were not likely to receive from the external world. Also you have to consider they grew up on computer games and lack the socialization that we were forced to have. They lack the problem solving skills and life experience that comes when your best friend beats the shit out of you cause hes taking out the anger he felt from his dad beating him. You gotta remember our parents were children of WW2 vets with serious ptsd and substance abuse issues and that violence rolls down hill. In a way I kind of envy them. But yeah theyre soft and they will make the world a better kinder place.
Fresa22@reddit
I am older GenX and I think your underlying assertion that words are less damaging than physical abuse is just wrong on every level. In fact I think words and emotional bullying are the core of all chronic abuse.
I can't imagine anything worse than convincing someone that they don't deserve to be treated well. Coercing them into being complicit in their own abuse by convincing them that the abusive situation they are in is the best that they deserve.
There is a reason that children kill themselves over online bullying.
Bullying was bad enough when we had to deal with it at school but now it's in your pocket everywhere you go and I don't think younger generations know how to just turn off their phones or if they even can at this point.
I actually think it's great that younger people are pointing things out and saying this shit isn't okay. People should be allowed to say they don't like the way something makes them feel.
Brilliant-Trick1253@reddit
Having had to jump through the baby boomers’ bullshit hoops for my entire existence and then raise children in Gen z with no sense of responsibility, economics, reality or shame- yeah. I’m all empathic’d out. Suck it up buttercup.
Reasonable-Wave8093@reddit
This is Boomer
littleheaterlulu@reddit
This is lazy AF.
RunRunRabbitRunovich@reddit
We have empathy just not for bullshit 🤷🏻♀️
Peloton72@reddit
You are a hero. Keep doing a hero’s work. Long live GenX!
cybot904@reddit
I certainly do.
nyx926@reddit
Is there a reason you’re making this sweeping set of generalizations a generational thing and not personal or more specific?
I can’t relate to anything you’re saying.
funkekat61@reddit
I have tons of empathy. The question is whether I have used up allotment of fucks to give that determines whether I will do something about it vs just being aware of it.
Inner-Measurement441@reddit
Maybe, but whatever
lgramlich13@reddit
"...it's just mean words."
Emotional pain activates the same part of the brain that physical pain does, not to mention that sometimes it's NOT "just mean words." Sometimes it comes with alienation and isolation. Sometimes it triggers pre-existing PTSD or CPTSD.
Some neurodivergent people (inc. myself,) have hyperactive senses, so pain (emotional or not,) is literally more painful for us. Your paper cut is my stab wound, and I can't change the way my brain works any more than I can stop aging. Some neurodivergent people (inc. myself,) struggle with empathy, and some have boatloads of it.
The brain also turns more easily to negativity of it's own accord. It's job is to protect us, so it's on the lookout for dangers and problems. (People who worry about not being "happy" could stand to be reminded of this.)
JaBe68@reddit
We don't lack empathy, but we do not understand a lack of resilience. We grew up bouncing back from whatever life threw at us, with very little adult help. We can not understand why these people can not do the same.
I remember that when I was young, anyone whiny would slowly be moved out of the friend group. We were having too much fun to want to be around people like that. The younger generations now reward that behaviour. It seems that you are a bit of a non-person these days if you don't talk about your trauma, or anxiety, or depression.
S1159P@reddit
I raised my daughter completely differently than I was raised - wait, I wasn't raised, I was feral, but you know what I mean. And I didn't really internalize how... soft? that would sometimes make her. She's not whiny, and she works hard, but there are times when something will seem impossible to her and she'll want her mom to help and I'll be, internally, What are you thinking?! Put some steel in your spine, girl, you're 16, no one ever even noticed me doing [whatever], let alone helped me.
JaBe68@reddit
Haha - mine is 26 and sometimes I just want to tell her to stop talking about her problems and just go and fix them. It is exhausting being a constant cheerleader until she gets into the right space to do something.
OctopusParrot@reddit
That's definitely the case online. Does it translate to the real world too? My kids are young (9 and 7 - we got a real late start) so I don't have any sort of window into how older kids and young adults are acting these days. Certainly the online cajoling to be seen as a victim is exhausting, but it just be that those are the people I end up seeing and the ones who don't bother just aren't visible.
ActualWheel6703@reddit
Spot on! I even do that now. If you're a whiner, we can't be friends. Sorry, but everyone has problems. 🤷🏾
violet715@reddit
THIS. Any kind of name calling or opposition in school is bullying nowadays. We became resilient by sticking up for ourselves or learning how to deal with it. Of course there are instances or actual bullying but by and large anything remotely mean is now “bullying.”
CrewBest2158@reddit
I remember in high school there was this girl, yes a girl, who thought it was hilarious to goose guys' asses in the hall while her friends watched, I got pinched once or twice before but one time I had forgotten something while walking from one room to another and abruptly turned around with her behind me and her "goose" turned into her grabbing my balls. Oops.
Inappropriate to be certain, even by the standards of the day. But the difference is I (like everyone else) treated as just a dumb prank she liked to pull while being cheered by her friends. I can't help but think that if it happened today someone would be crying on their TikTok/Instagram/X account about how they were sexually assaulted and couldn't go to school etc.
Specialist_Pride_616@reddit
We don’t lack empathy, but we do not understand a lack of resilience.
That’s absolutely perfect. Thank you for putting my thoughts into words that make sense.
Beatrix_Kitto@reddit
I can’t speak for a generation but I’m selectively empathetic. I have all the respect in the world for the younger generations and the way they aren’t afraid to buck the system to create a better one. Whereas we conformed and continued on as the generation before us even though we knew it was a bunch of shit.
But I do think they are too soft and it’s hard for me to find the give a fuck they seem to need all the time. Like trigger warnings. Or the word ‘trauma’ is thrown around like confetti. One of my coworkers said his mom lost him in a grocery store for ten minutes and it was super traumatic. He didn’t want to leave her side for years. Bro, we got left and lost all the time accidentally and on purpose. I had to climb in windows in the second grade because my parents always forgot a latchkey kid, needed a key.
thisgirlnamedbree@reddit
I have empathy for those who are truly suffering. But I don't tolerate drama queens with first world problems, narcissistic assclowns, and those that try and bully their way through life.
DangerKitty555@reddit
Eh, you’re not wrong tho. That second to last sentence in your first paragraph is THE TRUTH!
The reality is if I’m even bothering to take the time to cuss you out it’s because I CARE even if the read is brutal. If I didn’t care I’d just STFU and not even say a word.
I have mountains of empathy and giant bleeding heart hiding under very thick skin, an active bitch face and a potty mouth. What I don’t have is a very high tolerance for bullshit. I believe that’s what defines Gen X: we care A LOT but we don’t suffer fools very well.
Never change, I get it ✌🏻⚔️🦉🇺🇸
irishkenny1974@reddit
I’m a ‘74 X’er, and have zero empathy for anyone’s whiny bullshit. Gen Z is entitled as FUCK, and has no idea what it’s like to actually struggle to survive.
WhatTheHellPod@reddit
We were born into the tail end of a largest economic expansion in history. Our youth was still safe, prosperous and had to room to grow economically. Our adulthoods were during an economic boom and a historic period of peace, the effective end of the nuclear threat. We could afford college, find good jobs, buy houses and start families without being burdened with a mountain of debt.
They, on, the other hand, were born into a world experiencing the largest economic crash since the Depression. The planet is boiling in its own shits from the greed and apathy of previous generations. They lived through a fucking pandemic and our political systems are collapsing in front of their eyes. I think the are struggling a little bit.
SlickRick_199@reddit
This
aknightwhosaysnope@reddit
This is important perspective. Also, gen Z is young. The shit I’m reading regularly from gen x about gen Z is exactly the same shit boomers were saying 15-20 years ago about millennials. Nothings new and nothing changes. But, whatever.
woodworkingguy1@reddit
They think they can tweet about it or start a protest and change the world over very little issue they disagree with. They are just looking stupid instead of actually fixing the issue.
UnicornOnTheJayneCob@reddit
TBH, I wish they were right and that it worked like that and that they could.
irishkenny1974@reddit
That’s part of the problem. Their entire existence is wrapped up in the virtual world - they have no problem solving skills because all of their problems are imaginary. They don’t know how to actually DO anything, just fucking talk about what they WOULD or SHOULD DO, then not actually do any of it.
Colton-Landsington86@reddit
Millennial here and they piss me off. They spout about "my trauma" and it's something stupid like working to earn momey or having to study for an exam.
Guidance-Still@reddit
Or get so triggered over a word or look
International-Mix425@reddit
I think we are the first generation to say sayings like "Time heals all Wounds" are full of sh$t. Example: Look into a parent's eyes who have lost a child. They are black and empty and that never changes with time. That hurt doesn't go away, ever. "Time Doesn't Heal all Wounds"!
We want honest empathy not just "that's what you say when something bad happens". It helps to cheer you up.
NO. It's a lie and we know it. We want our empathy to be real and honest. Not just someone saying to make someone feel better.
I think since a lot of us were some type of latchkey kid we know what the score is. We know the world is a tough place. We were left on our a frequently. We know not everything gets better.
ghettoblaster78@reddit
The younger generations have the thinnest skin and severely lack coping skills. Gen Xers can cope, a lot of us can work through trauma rather than just relive it over and over, and not be "triggered" by anything upsetting. We had to face shit head-on, rather than run from it, and most of the time, we dealt with it all alone. I have tremendous empathy for people being horribly abused, but zero tolerance when they forever want to remain the victim. Young people call anything mean or uncomfortable "abuse" so any sort of criticism can be taken the wrong way at best or as targeted abuse at worst.
DelAlternateCtrl@reddit
I find it easier to say nothing if someone is being whiny/etc. Can’t use my words against me if I didn’t speak.
Otherwise_Gear_5136@reddit
I swear I do it because I can hear my mom in my head saying "If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all."
KaetzenOrkester@reddit
It’s why I don’t respond to have the posts on AITA. It’s just not worth the effort 😂
kittin@reddit
like reading 'em, never respond. me too.
PyrokineticLemer@reddit
Yeah, I realized really quickly that "ETA" was my default answer for just about every scenario. Then it hit me that maybe IATA. LOL
CrewBest2158@reddit
I should have kept my (figurative) mouth shut. I got into a little tizzy recently where I spotted one of those doom and gloom posts and the person wrote about how miserable he was, sitting alone in a room doing nothing but scrolling reddit. I (foolishly but accurately) pointed out that was part of the problem. Anyway this person didn't like this and we had what I thought was a very funny exchange. But it must have driven the other person nuts because he grew very hostile very quickly.
Over the course of the "conversation" I explained that whatever problems I have, in most cases I only have myself to blame as they are usually the result of a fault of mine. Which is true.
I was told I needed to "take accountability" and that people like me are ruining the world and so on. Who was he trying to convince? It was weirdly amusing but probably not all that healthy for him.
Nonetheless, his reaction was more or less typical. Bitch a lot, but take no action, project everything, never look inward. So I should have just said nothing...but I admit I did laugh a bit.
ComplexAd7820@reddit
One of my favorite life mantras is from Vanity Fair by Thackery: "The world is a looking-glass, and gives back to every man the reflection of his own face. Frown at it, and it will in turn look sourly upon you; laugh at it and with it, and it is a jolly kind companion; and so let all young persons take their choice."
Younger people don't like to hear that, but for the most part, it's true.
CrewBest2158@reddit
That's a good one. I'll have to remember that.
DoubleDrummer@reddit
As one silent word passed through your mind.
Whatever.
DelAlternateCtrl@reddit
Sometimes, it’s five words: “gag me with a spoon”
robertwadehall@reddit
I've always subscribed to the maxims of 'live and let die' and 'people are their own worst enemy'. I don't involve myself in others people's problems, esp. randos I don't have a personal connection to.
Random-sargasm_3232@reddit
Yup. Never give any info, personal or otherwise, that can be used as a weapon against you. Especially on-line.
WeekendAtRustys@reddit
Replying to Illustrious-Bat1553...there’s a technique for dealing with narcissists called “grey rock.” Very similar to what you describe.
KaetzenOrkester@reddit
I don’t know about anyone else but that started as a means of dealing with my parents. Turns out it was great prep for the internet.
revelm@reddit (OP)
That's next level GenX. Wow.
DelAlternateCtrl@reddit
Thanks. I became absolutely stoic ever since I hit my mid-40s
Gomer_Schmuckatelli@reddit
I'm past mid 50's and at this point, rarely phased by anything.
crocodiletears-3@reddit
I feel this. It’s not that I don’t care about anything but I am genuinely unimpressed by much in life. That doesn’t mean I am unhappy or anything and no “nothing is wrong, I am fine”. I am just coasting along enjoying the ride
Illustrious-Bat1553@reddit
Personally we are not passionate enough. We allowed boomers more power as the left us alone in exchanged for freedom
whatsnext_imfine@reddit
I need to keep this running in the back of my mind.
Old_Till2431@reddit
Absolutely not. It's your world, live in it. My parents left me nothing. They lived for us. Mom passed. Dad lived for his grandkids. Dad passed, I'm living for mine.
Designer-Mirror-7995@reddit
Lotttttaaaaa Booming going on in these replies.
Anyway, if anything, I'm too empathetic. With no plans to change that, given that _ I _ found very little empathy when I needed it, from the Boomer elders AND my Xr peers.
Jdevers77@reddit
Not all verbal abuse is just “mean words.” There is a fundamental difference between someone who lives in an abusive relationship where not so much as a violent finger is lifted and someone who has a co-worker say their shirt is ugly.
If you can empathize with someone who was physically or sexually abused and not someone who was emotionally or verbally abused, you don’t lack empathy you lack understanding. You very probably think that a verbally abusive spouse is someone who gets yelled at based on your comment without imagining a situation where one half of a relationship thinks they are fundamentally better in every way than the other and they literally do everything they can to make sure the other knows it. You might think “they should just leave” but that’s because you don’t acknowledge that the NEXT step is when the partner starts to believe it, when they also think they are just fundamentally a failure doubly so when that abusive spouse just takes over for an abusive parent.
I’ve never experienced any of that first hand, I’ve been married to the same great woman for virtually all of my adult life and my parents were never abusive with me…but I work in healthcare and I see it daily. Not with patients but staff, abuse victims tend to become either very loving care givers or people who in turn abuse others. Thankfully most people I know fit into the former but we sure collect a lot of broken toys and listening to their stories are heartbreaking once they trust you enough to talk to you.
certaindarkthings@reddit
All of this right here. I was in an abusive relationship like this for about 5 years, and after a while I believed everything that was said about me. I spent every day being told I was a stupid, thoughtless, terrible person who was ruining my partner's life. They were having a good day and then I ruined it. How? Who knows. It could have been literally anything. I was called a fucking c*nt pretty much every day (and now that word makes my skin crawl). It just piles on and piles on, and at first you don't even notice, especially if you've come from a dysfunctional family. Then it just becomes normal. I would feel like I was trying to walk over broken glass while trying not to cut myself on it, with how carefully I would behave every day to try to make sure that I was managing my partner's emotions. She raised her hand to me once and almost hit me, and I kind of wish she would have because then it would have been more clear that I was being abused, and not that I was just a dumbass who couldn't do anything right.
jeffreyisham@reddit
Lack of fucks is not the same as lack of empathy.
phlebonaut@reddit
Just the opposite with me
electric_shocks@reddit
Survived?
brookish@reddit
I think so in that we were raised to sublimate our feelings.
aspiecat@reddit
We empathize, but we don't have time for people playing the victim card too often. EG - my daughter is trans. Not a problem, always suspected it and we love her regardless. But she is a stereotypical Gen Z; everything wrong is someone else's fault, particularly Gen X and Boomers. She has little patience for things that are initially difficult. Doesn't see the point in doing things she doesn't enjoy. Thinks Millennials and older don't have valid opinions as they are "too old". Everything is sooo haaarrrd.
LOL
I empathize with the inequality she faces every day...the horrible comments, the lack of compassion, the overall awful treatment. I'm ace and autistic, so I am judged daily on how I choose to live my life. But I don't have any time for the BS that is a reflection of her generation. It's a victim mentality and it drives me batty.
abczoomom@reddit
So…empathy is sharing another’s pain and emotions, and sympathy is feeling concern for another despite not sharing in the experience. I would argue that we are very empathetic - but mostly with each other. We lived the neglect and abuse that our generation was prone to, we understand it, and if someone today (for me, in particular a child or animal) is experiencing something close to what we did, we’re all over it. But the sympathy part probably escapes a lot of us - as OP brought up, “words are abuse now?” What happened to “sticks and stones…” amiright? Because “we had it worse”, don’t use the same terms for something that doesn’t rise to the occasion. And that is where we, collectively, are seen as aloof and uncaring. We care a lot (wasn’t that a song?) just not about exactly the same things.
According2Kelly@reddit
Yes but only on the surface (ie not really sociopaths)
It’s a defense mechanism that serves us well
docdeathray@reddit
Whatever
userdork@reddit
Some people just like to complain and moan about things without wanting a solution. They do want to just be victims, I think it's because most of them have never been actual victims. So the smallest thing or minor inconvenience is victimhood worthy.
MrPodocarpus@reddit
Gen Z reach outwards for solutions to their problems - the internet, therapists, psychs, family, friends - anyone who can give them the answers. Whining and complaining is the verbalising of this cry for help.
Gen X, for the most part, work out solutions for themselves and thrive on the resilience it creates.
After_Preference_885@reddit
Gen x drink their problems away whereas Gen z guess to therapy
UnicornOnTheJayneCob@reddit
Listen, sometimes I just need to bitch. I bitch about a thing, I get it out of my system. Then I just fucking get on with it.
But the bitching is an integral part of the thing. I don’t need anyone to do anything about it. I don’t need anyone to troubleshoot solutions for me. I don’t need to be told that it is all going to be okay or some bullshit. I just need to spew flaming vitriol for a hot second and maybe have someone say “Yeah, fuck that shit!” afterwards (seriously, fuck that shit works pretty universally for every complaint with me). Then I am over it and I shut up and buckle down. As usual.
Other than that though? Spot on. Not to downplay anyone’s genuine trauma, but it really is such a position of privilege.
bizoticallyyours83@reddit
No, because people in every generation are individuals who grow and change throughout their life.
Donho000@reddit
Sorry. I can't deal with the newer Gen nonsense.
gamefaced@reddit
stoicism and empathy (or lack thereof) are not terms that should be used interchangeably.
liquilife@reddit
Welcome to growing up. Older adults thought we were whiney as shit when we were younger. Seems the torch has been passed.
Comprehensive-Big247@reddit
I don’t think it’s a victim mentality, but I do feel Gen X is more callous and were raised that they weren’t allowed to express themselves and were very much neglected. I’m Gen X, I notice that (and I don’t like it about myself), but I have zero patience for people who feel and act entitled to whatever their feelings are. Example- RTO. Unless specified as job description, you go into the office. There just no choice about this and I felt so lucky to have a job to go into as the recession was so bad. My company moved me for different jobs. This was just my normal. (I moved constantly as a child as my father’s career grew) And I actually enjoyed going into the office in my 20’s, we bonded as sales teams and socialized with them. Our office co-workers were our friends.
makinthemagic@reddit
We don't give a fuck.
Altruistic-Ad6449@reddit
Based on my public school experience, yes.
travlynme2@reddit
I basically have to include "I'm sorry" in every conversation I have.
Like:
I'm sorry that happened to you
I'm sorry I used the wrong word ( I was trying to use the right word)
I'm sorry I did not understand
I'm sorry you feel that way
I'm sorry I don't see that the same way you do
I'm sorry, really I am.
Mostly though I am just so tired of the crap.
DeadBy2050@reddit
Aren't these the same thing?
boredtxan@reddit
no the latter understand that you don't have to let your pain be your identity. OP is the former by limiting abuse to touch violations.
boredtxan@reddit
you can absolutely abuse someone with words - emotional & psychologicalabuse is very real. lots of us experienced this from parents.
pcapdata@reddit
Yeah, you’re being an asshat stoic.
It’s great that your particular starting conditions and surroundings resulted in you being able to brush off words, and there’s certainly useful advice out there (“If the tweets are mean, stop using Twitter”), but you should keep in mind other people are not you: they had different starting conditions and surroundings and character and so forth so they’re not going to have the same outcomes as you.
It is frustrating when you feel like people are refusing the seize the answers that worked for you but that doesn’t mean they “want” to be victims. Characterizing them as such is ignoring whatever they went through which is a classic sign of not having empathy.
I dunno about GenX as a whole but that’s my takeaway from your post.
emilythequeen1@reddit
I think the trauma people have about their first world problems is what gets to me.
therealgookachu@reddit
As someone that grew up in a physically and verbally/emotionally abusive household, you forget the pain of being hit. But being told you’re a mistake and your mother constantly tells you that she hates you hurts far worse than being whipped.
newredditsucks@reddit
Friend: "Newredditsucks, I've got a fork stuck in my eye!"
Me: "Oh shit, how'd that happen? If you pull it out you'll feel better."
Friend: Pulls it out, then jams fork back in their eye. "Newredditsucks, I've got another fork in my eye!"
Me: "Dude. Stop sticking forks in your eye!"
Friend: Pulls it out, then jams fork back in their eye. Repeats ad nauseam.
At that point my sympathy/empathy/etc. is abso-fucking-lutely gone.
North_Artichoke_6721@reddit
My bar for acceptable workplace behavior was set very low by a couple of terrible jobs in my early twenties.
Seriously it was like a bad sitcom.
I had a boss who would brag about stuff he did with prostitutes. Another who would violently flip over furniture if upset. A coworker who would smack me on the backside when I would bend over to pick up a piece of paper. Another who brought drugs to a work party.
Nowadays I am in a wonderful workplace with decent people, but occasionally someone will complain about a colleague’s “tone” or the way an email was written.
And I try to show empathy but inside I am screaming “you don’t know how good you have it here!”
ginger_kitty97@reddit
But it's that guarding of barriers that keeps a good workplace from becoming terrible. And sometimes leads to finding ways to make it better.
Necessary_Team_8769@reddit
Amen, was just talking for my aunt about this and laughing last night. I hear young’uns at work say that a workplace is “toxic” or that someone is micro-managing them, simply because someone asked them a question or assigned them a task.
What I want to say is “were you punched in the nose by an employee who works nights as prostitute?
Did you drive an hour and 2O minutes each way to have a professional accounting job? “….. so you have to drive 10 minutes to get to work, maybe twice a week? …Waaaaah”
hypothetical_zombie@reddit
IRL, I don't complain about small, petty, bothersome things because I already fixed the problem, or I can ignore it.
I have tons of empathy & compassion, but no patience.
Don't complain to me about something you can fix. Or that I can fix. If you can't change something that isn't harming you, I will tell you to go away. Don't waste my time bitching about the weather if you can put a coat on or take it off.
dontbeajoiner@reddit
I'm GenX and I have never had much empathy for other people.
DevilsSideBoy@reddit
I was born in 1980, so I'm more of an elder millennial then Gen X. I agree and disagree. Verbal abuse is real. But it is also more than just a few bad names and mean words. It has to be chronic and ongoing. And, WORDS ARE NOT VIOLENCE! They are the exact opposite of violence. I agree that many of the younglings today do chase victimhood.
Prestigious-Joke-479@reddit
I think we are just survivors. I have a hard time with people who say things like, " Why does my child stay up all night on the phone?" ( because you gave him one and allow him 24/7 access). Also, I have problems with people who think they are the first to raise kids with two working parents. It's been like that for many generations now. It's hard and will always be work and sacrifice to have a child.
I do love my younger colleagues and don't run into the whiny stuff, but I think it's the profession we're in ( teaching). We see what it's like when people don't take responsibility for anything.
The amount of whining I see on social media, though... Ugh!
PBJ-9999@reddit
Yep, its like when I would see parents who cater to their kids eating habits, like refusing to eat anything but chicken nuggets. My parents would be spinning in their graves. The rule back then was you eat what you are served or go to bed hungry.
Prestigious-Joke-479@reddit
That's the problem. Some are so catered to its counterproductive. So the kids never learn to deal with things when they don't go their way.
confident_curious@reddit
Lmfao mean words are abuse? So what you’re saying is, you’re (not you OP) letting the words of others trigger you, therefore allowing people to have power over you?
Yeah that ain’t happening with me. Upset by words lol. I guess I lack empathy OP lol.
kibfib@reddit
Shitty things happened to us and it sucked, but we had to deal and get on with it. I guess since no one was overly sympathetic to me, I have a hard time coddling someone like that, especially when I think their issue is relatively minor.
ginger_kitty97@reddit
I'm the opposite. There is no pain Olympics, and it costs me nothing to acknowledge that someone else is hurting.
WeekendAtRustys@reddit
For some of us, the “shitty things” happened daily and we really became numb to them.
Being able to self-soothe makes you a super hero!
in-a-microbus@reddit
So, I'm not saying your friends aren't whiny bitches, but words can be abuse.
PorcupineShoelace@reddit
I lose patience when I see people use phrases like 'Un-aliving someone'
This is the worst kind of virtue signaling. It distracts from real abusive words and make me want to kill people for being so ironically obtuse.
ginger_kitty97@reddit
That's a response to platforms that will ban you or censor you for using words like murder, rape, etc. It's not that they think those words are better, just that they found a way to communicate the same thing without triggering a filter.
revelm@reddit (OP)
I guess that's my hangup. I haven't gotten there but I see that most people agree with you.
in-a-microbus@reddit
One of the best examples I know of how dangerous words are is the revised proverb "sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can convince a jury that I deserved it"
cheesecheeseonbread@reddit
Technically, yes, it's abuse. But there are degrees of abuse.
Sauron_78@reddit
I don't know what you do for work, but would you stay for long term in a place where your boss would make demeaning jokes every day about you?
I worked 6 years for a literal Nazi from Alsace that made jokes about blacks and women daily, and I'm a woman (kind of butch but whatever). He got all pissy when I made one single joke about Hittler (praising Staling before shooting himself in the head). He then called me a whore who thinks she's a queen, and I told him I'm just an engineer and laugher at his face (he had no degree by the way). He had no reply.
More often than not people who talk demeaning stuff about others are lacking something in their lives. I stayed because I needed the money, but I left as soon as an opportunity presented itself. I'm happier and making more money now, working for a literal African, hahaha.
Not saying your colleagues aren't whiny bitches thou.
wild-hectare@reddit
nope, just got a second helping of APATHY
dgarner58@reddit
we were kind of the last, "say it to my face" generation. i get this from my kids all the time. i am 47, and they are 18 and 20 respectively. what they interpret as "mean", i honestly interpret as just being frank with them. it's frustrating because i honestly don't want to hurt their feelings, but i also cannot control what the world is telling them is "mean". being told something you don't want to hear isn't abusive or mean. being told something in a stern tone isn't abusive or mean. it's honestly baffling sometimes. it makes me wonder how any of these kids enter the workplace without curling into a little ball in the corner with hurt feelings.
counterpoint - maybe i'm a dick. idk. lol.
Competitive-Bee7249@reddit
When you get to be over fifty years old you can smell BS right out of the gate . Safe space ? You better watch your Azz on your way home from school. Go the wrong way and you could get tuned up. Your safe space was your house.
GenX-ModTeam@reddit
Trolling, rage farming, misinformation, disinformation, flame wars, or any other antagonistic commentary and/or behaviour is not tolerated.
ted_anderson@reddit
Like George Carlin once said, there's nothing wrong with the words themselves. It's a matter of context. You can most definitely be abusive with "mean words" but mean words don't necessarily indicate that you're being abusive.
Like if you're a supervisor on your job and you've got a worker who's slacking off, sometimes he needs a swift kick in the rear end to pick up the pace. If not physical, sometimes a few hard sayings is what's needed to get him into gear. But if you're constantly yelling obscenities at the guy nonstop and looking for something to criticize with every step he takes as a way to vent your own frustrations, then that's abusive.
If you have to yell at me to get my attention that's one thing. But if I yield my ear to your voice and you scream in it thinking that it's going to help me better understand or better respond to your instructions, then that's being abusive.
An example that comes to my mind is when I worked for my dad. Sometimes he had to get in my ass for being an idiot. Sometimes he had to lean on me for screwing up. But then there were times when I made an honest mistake and he went off on me and started bringing up everything that I ever did wrong my entire life. Bad grades in school.. and the time I was supposed to wash the dishes, and the fact that I keep leaving the bathroom lights on. And when that goes on for 2-3 hours nonstop, that's abusive. Not just mean.
Ok-Abbreviations9212@reddit
The millennials decided to push the victim card, and make that into the flagship of their generation. It's not that we lack empathy, it's that the millennials are stuck on themselves and this is part of that.
Why do you think it's suddenly popular to want to release the freaking Menendez brothers? Because the Millenials all think in terms of victims, and they identify with the murders as victims because they're young, not the parents who were murdered.
Survive1014@reddit
I dont think its lack of empathy. We are just not willing to buy into bullshit.
PBJ-9999@reddit
Not really. But if so that's due to absentee parenting
Sgt-Rob-USMC@reddit
We are just not normal, that’s all. Some of us at paint chips off the wall… use your imagination from there.
Just_Dave1971@reddit
No. Just Zero Fucks
bionicbhangra@reddit
Empathy is usually something that is taught. Considering Gen X had Boomers for parents I would say that empathy is not something we generally excel at.
I also don't think most humans have a lot of empathy in general. The ones that do always seem to stand out.
PhasmaUrbomach@reddit
My parents were Silents and it's definitely affected my worldview. They were depression babies, so they were quite frugal, correct, and strict. It's a different Gen X experience from those who were raised by Boomers, I think.
moxzil@reddit
I would say we have empathy, but we have leas sympathy. Gen X is like, “well, it is what it is, how can I help.” Person A sees someone struggling to change a flat tire and will say, sorry that happened to you, keep at it you’ll get it, and walk away. A Gen X person sees the same person struggling to change a tire will say, good grief, you don’t know what you are doing, let me do it, and will change the tire.
stevenmacarthur@reddit
I think we have more empathy than was afforded us by the Boomers and Millennials
PhasmaUrbomach@reddit
Facts
JoshWestNOLA@reddit
"Words are violence." "I feel unsafe." Go hide under your bed.
PhasmaUrbomach@reddit
Oh and i'M tRaUmAtiZeD
YKINMKBYKIOK@reddit
No, we're so damaged that we can't convey emotion in a normal sense anymore.
AnitaPeaDance@reddit
I'd like to say we're more burned out than lack empathy, however it seems all generations are experiencing an overall serge in narcissists so there's that.
Also, here's some learning with references if you care to read it: Why Words Can Hurt at Least as Much as Sticks and Stones
TakkataMSF@reddit
Who gives a fuck? Mean words? If I call someone an asshole and they take it personally, that's their fucking problem. I call my friend an asshole and he doesn't care. Don't want to be called an asshole, don't be one.
For God's sake, don't censor yourself BEFORE you speak. You can respect someone's request if they ask. I'm honestly not here to piss anyone off.
I worked at a really shitty company once. I worked a weekend and dumped everything in the fridge/freezer. All week, a sign was up, anything left in the fridge/freezer will be tossed. Monday, someone complains I threw out an ice pack. Did you read the sign? Did the sign say, "everything but YOUR ice pack will be thrown out"? Well then, shoo.
It's not a lack of empathy, it's just that not nearly as many people deserve the empathy they think they should get.
aksf16@reddit
There is such a thing as verbal abuse. If someone who is supposed to love you calls you a "fucking bitch" among other names, tells you you're a horrible mom, lazy, worthless, that you got promoted because you must have slept with your boss, on and on for years, it absolutely DOES hurt and it's not okay. Even a person with great strength and self-esteem will be ground down.
coydog17@reddit
I'm empathetic as fuck, but have zero tolerance for BS 🤷♂️
NavierIsStoked@reddit
Because I am a survivor that has fallen forward their entire life, I have an enormous amount of empathy for those who didn’t make it, one way or the other.
It’s all about luck and we should change society to help all those who didn’t win.
“Fuck you, I’ve got mine” is destroying this country and this world.
LilJourney@reddit
For me it's not about "I've got mine" but it's about "For The Love of God, shut up and take my hand so I can pull you up/out!" I WANT people to succeed and I am willing to help, but the lack of willingness to even attempt to let me help them is what drives me over the wall.
(Or maybe it's just my teenage co-workers driving me up the proverbial wall.)
CrewBest2158@reddit
I agree.
"I can't get what I want...Boomers have all the money...nobody loves me blah blah blah."
"Okay, you need to do these X,Y,Z steps, read such and such books, you need to exercise, eat right, set attainable goals, get out, interact with people, you need to cut out frivolous spending etc."
"You bastard, I want help, not a lecture!"
"Okay, then what is your plan?"
"Plan?"
PowerfulStrike5664@reddit
‘78 gen Xer I agree, people tend to take offense no matter what one says. I sometimes choose not to say anything at all, because the sensitivity of some people is off the charts.
Guidance-Still@reddit
People now tend to take everything said way to personality, they think it's all about them
TenuousOgre@reddit
I have taken to saying to those in younger generations, “do you really want to know what I think, or are you just wanting some affirmation?” Works to sort out those who truly want a different perspective.
PowerfulStrike5664@reddit
You’re 💯 right.
Guidance-Still@reddit
Yet we do get because we were that age as well , went through the same stuff without all the tech we have now.
Guidance-Still@reddit
Some will just make fun of your age or say well you just don't understand or get it
CrewBest2158@reddit
I think some Xers and Boomers carry some fault in that they raised a lot Mils and Zs to be so soft. The pendulum swung too far in the other direction, away from the much more strict WASP model of the Greatest Generation and before. Nonetheless, people are not the sum of their own generation, they are the sum of their INDIVIDUAL choices, attitudes, values, and actions. And sure enough, there are a lot of individuals who cry over the slightest inconvenience, perceived injury, or insult.
My father was a Vietnam vet, and one of his friends had lost a leg, half a hand, and his whole right side was messed up, (he went on to have 6 beautiful children, so luckily he wasn't injured everywhere). Anyway, THAT'S Trauma. Not crying on Tiktok "They keep mispronouncing my name at Starbucks!"
And to be sure, a lot of it is just being young and not realizing the world doesn't revolve around you. But a lot of it is a weird race-to-the-bottom where having problems is seen as being virtuous. Not overcoming challenges...that would require effort and discipline, but merely bitching about the problems, blaming everyone and everything (especially successful people) and doing virtually nothing about it. But hey, gotta get those clicks and likes, right?
And of course this is reddit, home to the loathsome, chronically depressed misanthropes who, by my estimation, seem to make up about 85% of the platform. Or at least 85% of the most vocal. That's a whole ecosystem of cross-validating, nihilistic, pessimistic perpetual losers. But it's YOUR fault, don't you understand, that because you are relatively happy, content, successful etc., they are forever consigned to being unhappy, unfit, unloved, and by the way can you like and share their post or video and be sure to subscribe.
And by the way, has anyone noticed that there is a correlation between manufactured misery and weird hair and/or facial piercings?
When I was a kid it was the goth kids, pale skin, black hair, the occasional top-hat or dressing like the Crow. Writing bad poetry and pretending to be deep because they read a little Nietzsche or Baudelaire. I don't think generation TikTok has ever even heard of Nietzsche or Baudelaire. But they have heard of purple hair dye.
BKtoDuval@reddit
I don't think we have a lack of empathy. I'm very empathetic but I also think we have tougher skin. I also get frustrated seeing people want to make excuses, but I think that's normal for everyone. People want sympathy but I tell my kids, you can make excuses for your failures but no one will feel sorry for you. Or use it as motivation to get better
GadgetGod1906@reddit
I can only speak for myself. I do not lack empathy.
Retiree66@reddit
I’m not an empath. I can listen to people’s problems and not feel like they are my problems. I even tell people that’s an advantage to being friends with me.
Rude-Management-4455@reddit
I think it's really harmful to paint yourself as a victim. I would say it's the opposite. I care for someone and that's why I can't bear to see people give up on themselves and underestimate themselves and not go for what they want in life.
NivekTheGreat1@reddit
Remember one of our childhood credos.
Stick and stones may break my bones But names will never hurt me
So to your soft co-workers, grow the fuck up.
GenXrules69@reddit
Do we lack empathy....nah. not when warranted. Do we have , nope fresh out, of fucks to give whiny assessment. Yep we got plenty of 0 to give. I often have Doris Day singing Que Sera in my head when the perceived slights and ensuing Armageddon is unfolding. Is there a gif or something with her?
Blkmgcwmnjlm@reddit
GenXrules69@reddit
Preesh
nixtarx@reddit
Every less-than-positive thing that happens to you is not trauma. Every less-than-pleasant experience is not triggering. Every trespass against you, no matter how small, is not abuse. Every time someone is less than truthful with you is not gaslighting.
I'm very glad that younger generations are able to talk about this stuff more than we were allowed/able to, but it seems the more it's out there, the more mis- and disinformation too.
JoshInWv@reddit
No, these new generations are soft, and everyone wants to be a victim (jmho no hate). I like how you said we erroneously think that because we survived, they can too.
It's not erroneous. They can, they just don't want to, or they want it handed to them with a bow, in a box, with an instruction card, or a 'tictac' about it, and they will turn their noses up at it unless it is. It's too hard, or too much work, they can't Instagram about it (or whatever). That's the problem.
To me, mean words are just that. Mean words. Whoop-de-fucking-doo. I have 10 separate ways of dealing with mean words, about 15 different mic-drop responses that'll make grandma suck eggs, and a few nuclear responses that, thankfully, I've only had to use once in my life.
I generally am QUIETLY empathetic to a lot of things, I don't wear that shit on my sleeve because it gets taken advantage of. What I don't have tolerance for is manufactured bullshit just for drama's sake.
Now all that being said.....
I think we (Gen-X) have not helped the younger generations prepare for life. We've allowed them to be soft, spoon-fed them "it's ok, if you don't want to do it that way", "its not your fault, it's the teachers", "how dare they say no to my perfect little angel", participation trophies, etc. What you are witnessing is the fallout from this.
WE'VE allowed this dynamic to become the norm and re-point society in a softer direction. Some of us honestly have failed our kids' futures by not preparing them properly. We've traded going outside and FO in the woods to playing on these devices.
What do we all expect? We've traded critical thinking for the latest insta / tictac trend (stupidity).
NOFX said it best - The idiots are taking over.
No hate, just observations over the last 46 years.
theanoeticist@reddit
Gen X men do. This sub is default male. This sub deffo lacks empathy. So, yes. Gen X men lack empathy.
Appropriate-Dig771@reddit
You see me.
OccamsYoyo@reddit
What I’ve learned going through this convo: there are sure a lot of asshole bosses in Gen X. If you can’t manage your staff without name-calling, yelling or belittling YOU SHOULDN’T BE THE BOSS! Could the younger generation have better spines? Quite possibly. But it isn’t up to you as an employer to enforce that. If they’re a problem, fire them and move on.
Psycosteve10mm@reddit
I do not think that it is a lack of empathy but a lack of the ability to pick oneself up by one's bootstraps and man up to handle one's business. It is weakness and self-pity that Gen X despises. To hear a 30-year-old go to shit because their online girlfriend is banging someone else and their world is collapsing is just pathetic. Man the F up and move on. There is a bunch of other things more important than that BS.
siamesecat1935@reddit
Exactly. Growing up, my parents were there, but their attitude was kind of suck it up, figure it out, but we are here if you need help, guidance, but i was expected to handle my own stuff, initially.
JJQuantum@reddit
There are different levels of abuse just like there are levels of physical injury. Cutting your finger hurts but breaking your arm hurts more and losing it completed hurts even more. I laugh at someone who whines about cutting their finger. I sympathize with someone who breaks their arm but only for a bit. I am much more sympathetic to someone who loses an arm. Abuse is the same thing. It depends on what it is.
Also, we measure these things by comparison. My kid’s trauma of breaking up with his week long girlfriend is a lot for him because he hasn’t seen much in his lifetime. My dad’s abuse was bad to me but, compared to the trauma of the estimated 5-10% of European men who died during WW2 that the greatest generation faced, is not as bad.
To answer your question, no, I don’t think I lack empathy. I think I am a realist who understands the differences in types of trauma and expect people to act appropriately to that trauma. I’m actually happy that the world in some ways is getting better and my kids don’t have to deal with some of the crap that previous generations had to deal with.
WeekendAtRustys@reddit
I feel this!
JackfruitCrazy51@reddit
Just like older generations, we've experienced life. We've seen bad times for ourselves, we've seen others go through bad times, we saw our parents go through the late 70's/early 80's, our parents and grandparents fought in real wars, we went through the cold war, we went through 9/11, we went through multiple recessions, we had grandparents that went through the great depression, etc. I feel bad for people that go through hard times and try to help them out, but in the back of my mind I'm thinking things like "make better decisions" and "suck it up".
WeekendAtRustys@reddit
I only recently realized I am a child of war.
It makes me extremely empathetic, but very intolerant of whiners
Natural_Board@reddit
There's passive empathy and active empathy. Passive empathy, "thoughts and prayers," is contemptible. Active empathy is work and you better not waste my time.
Fuck_Yeah_Humans@reddit
No.
The pilot has to get their oxygen first. Coz no one is coming to get it for us.
We are not special. We are not crap or trash either. We just are. We just are, and what happens just happens.
With a gun barrel pressed between your teeth, you speak only in vowels.
and most profoundly
we lack empathy? whatever
It seems to me the only thing you've learned is that Caesar is a salad dressing dude.
melinamercouri1946@reddit
I grew up on “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me” so yeah…low bullshit meter. But I was also married to a gaslighting narcissist for 15 years, so yeah….words fucking hurt. We are a complicated bunch.
Reader47b@reddit
I feel like I have more empathy than my Gen Z kids and their peers, honestly. Gen Z grew up to some degree on the Internet, where a level of harshness in communicating (unknown even in Gex X street life) is perfectly acceptable. They've seen every dark corner of the world by the age of 13.
MellyMJ72@reddit
Only the GenXers who stay aligned with their toxic Boomer parents' beliefs.
Even though they marry and have their own kids, the ones who never decentered their parents and keep finding ways to accommodate and justify their sick Boomer parents turn awful.
The GenXers who rejected Boomer values are empathetic reasonable people. The ones whose parents were the rare decent Boomer are okay.
But the people who didn't break away from typical Booner thinking and develop their own values are in trouble.
silasgoldeanII@reddit
right, lot of evidence for that in here, too.
Alternative-Law4626@reddit
I was told by my manager that I need to be more empathetic as a manager. I was shocked. I’ve mostly been some sort of manager my entire career and I e never heard anyone say something like that. Not just about me, in general as a critique of someone’s ability to manage — needs more empathy. Then, I considered the source. He’s an elder Millennial. (Gallingly, I have a son his same age). It’s an interesting situation because his boss, whom I’ve worked directly with at various times during my time at the company, is 4 months older than me. So, my manager is trapped between Xers.
Ultimately, I’m not sure why he said it and I was so stunned, I just stared at him in response. I couldn’t even form a thought to reply. Just seemed weird to me.
fuddykrueger@reddit
You could ask them for an example of a time you were not empathetic enough. ?
Alternative-Law4626@reddit
I know. But, ultimately I’m high enough in the organization and I’m counting time until retirement in months, not years. So, I’m not overly concerned with his opinion on this point. My overall job performance is still determined by objective criteria and that remains at a very high level.
silasgoldeanII@reddit
real strong boomer vibes in this thread tbh. be better, folks.
fuddykrueger@reddit
I agree. In fact, for many of us, the difficult trials we have experienced in life have made us callous and cold. We aren’t weak, but maybe we are stubborn. I do believe we have empathy, but we received so little assistance with our problems so somehow we learned to cope, but not how to communicate.
kaishinoske1@reddit
No, I’m actually a believer in that everyone should get a chance. But you just get one, you fuck it up. Thats it, burn list.
BrilliantRain5670@reddit
We have empathy, we just know when it applies. What we don't have is tolerance to hold your hand or listen to your whining which is actually offensive because your helicopter mommy isn't there for you 24/7.
Leeleewithwings@reddit
I’m a very empathetic person, but a very low tolerance for dumb fuckery
DGenerAsianX@reddit
We have an abundance of empathy. We don’t do sympathy as well. We can see your perspective but we’re not going to feel sorry for you.
ScooterMcTavish@reddit
This is great.
Most people I've known who are LOOKING for sympathy generally like to make bad decisions over and over. Regardless of generation.
I save my sympathy for kids (who have little control over who they're born to and where they're born), and animals (especially abandoned dogs and kittens).
AlarmingCorner3894@reddit
Without going into detail, I needed some help for a period of time. So like everything in life, I dig deep and found myself “interviewing” therapists. You know, first hour is more like me asking them how they work and unpacking the big items as to why I’m there.
I wanted a female therapist to get that additional line of sight. I had one tell me I likely had PTSD. I have never been in a physical altercation or expose to anything other than words (to match OP’s point). I looked her dead in the eyes and said “I am not nor will I ever be a victim”. And with 30 mins left in my initial consult I got up and left.
Don’t be a victim. Be a victor.
Or to quote one of my fav tiktokers, “dont be a pussy, this shit is delicious”. Check out idgaffoods. He’s one of us!
Skydreamer6@reddit
You don't believe emotional abuse can exist. That's not a just a lack of empathy, it's an incorrect belief.
absherlock@reddit
Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm empathetic as fuck. So, whatever.
Quiscalus-quiscula@reddit
No, nothing stoic about any of this.
MexiMayhem@reddit
Tl;Dr - "It could be worse" is a shit reason to tolerate bad behavior and that bad behavior is harmful over time. Also do we just WANT to turn into people who shake our fists and yell "These damn kids these days" - we have all the opportunity to be the first generation here to champion lifelong learning to treat people well - doesn't require giving up "whatever" - it does require not being a judgy jerk face.
In a way, we do. We're on the line between our parents who gave little or no credence to abusive behaviors and millenials, generally and alpha who are far more empathetic. Their empathy also comes with, what I see as, even less tolerance for bs than we have.
They aren't whining about about a boss wanting something done to expectation, they have a legit complaint about both the unreasonable expectations of "productivity" (that we were taught was THE only way to get, keep and promote in a job - not knowing that those days were long gone) in order to satisfy capitalist greed. The largest number of employees are simply and only squeezed for the benefit of others. There's no reason for that to excuse rude, callous and prolonged nasty words from a "boss". Who is also the beneficiary of your work. The other thing is, as a separate issue, being an authoritative and harsh jerk isn't rhe only way to manage people and its actually the worst way to do it.
What does anyone ever get from going balls to the wall for an employer? People with halfway decent jobs are struggling with basic living expenses nevermind if they or another family member has any kind of health condition or accident. There's no housing crisis, there is a corporate ownership of private housing crisis. The unchecked profit hoarding and exploitation of people is beyond unconscionable. We've also learned a lot just in the time or generation has been alive about what long term stress and "mean words" do to us mentally and physically.
I considered myself a super kind, empathetic and accepting person but after raising a millenial, a gen z and 2 gen z-alphas - I have learned that I had a great deal to learn. It's not that we just don't have empathy - we tend to judge who is worthy of it. That's not very cash money of us. We can also stand to recognize that people disliking spending a full third of lives being talked down to for no particular reason other than their boss is being pressured by their boss to pressure you into putting more into your job than you're being compensated for - is exploitative, and over time it does harm us mentally and physically. And likely emotionally, it was always older people at work that were telling me to suck it up, that's just life. Well. It doesn't have to be and it would absolutely be better for everyone if it wasn't.
Reasonable_Smell_854@reddit
“Sympathy is a word in the dictionary in between shit and syphallis “ - my mantra for too many years.
Alovingcynic@reddit
We straddle a timeline between the stoics of the Depression and WW2, who had unaddressed trauma and drank themselves to death without complaining, and Me Decade folks, who took a swan dive into their navels and whose pursuits of happiness were inconvenienced by their children's needs. For me personally, I find some younger folks (not all) use 'trauma' for gain, whether they want to abnegate personal responsibility or manipulate others into getting something they want. So I find it's dishonest practices (most of the time). Self victimhood becomes learned helplessness that I personally find repellant and also scary (problem solvers of the future are not). I come from a 'tough shit for you' upbringing, given by grandparents, parents, step-parents, and other figures of authority (teachers, employers), so I give a side eye to behaviors that appear to be self-serving before I conjure up my empathy.
otherworldly11@reddit
I think it depends on the "mean words" that are being said. Emotional abuse can be incredibly damaging, and can lead to depression, anxiety and worse. These conditions can have physical manifestations. A person's life can be impacted.
bmyst70@reddit
I think there's a big difference between expressing a natural human emotion, which is healthy. And WALLOWING in it, which is not. Whenever I've done the latter, it creates a whirlpool in my head that drags me down into it.
I just roll my eyes when someone makes false equivalence like the one you mention. Kindness is crucial, but so is honesty. And, sometimes it's kinder in the long run to be verbally smacked across the head with a clue by four.
SecondToLastOfSheila@reddit
No, we don't have a lack of empathy but I agree with so much of what you said.
I think the current generation is dramatically opposed to being taken out of their comfort zones, physically and mentally. They're great at accepting the LGBTI+ community but they're also really taking to Trumpism. I lived almost my entire life in Houston and the amount of young, conservatives there is astounding.
We didn't talk about trauma in my day and that's changed but it feels like an overcorrection. So many people absolutely fetishize trauma and define themselves by it. Where GenX pop culture was overly sexualized, I think things now are all about mental health but to an unhealthy degree. It's all about becoming tribes and tearing apart anyone else.
BlownCamaro@reddit
Everyone is too soft now. It disgusts me. Growing a beard isn't going to fix it, they need to grow a set.
ManicOppressyv@reddit
No, we just don't deal well with whiny ass bullshit. Yes, we feel sorry for you about the job and housing markets. Do we feel bad because someone said a bad thing to you or because you had your Wii taken away for a week when you were six because you spray painted in the living room? Fuck no.
Look, I went on the Gen Z sub to beg them to vote. Motherfucker will not allow the use of the word Palestine or Israel. That's just being a bunch of whiny ass bitches. How do you ban the names of geographical locations? What are you supposed to say? That area by the Red Sea with the Boom Booms happening? They are asinine with their sensitivity.
HatesDuckTape@reddit
They don’t want empathy, they want sympathy. They don’t know the difference.
Empathy is “that really sucks. I’ve been there. Here’s what you do about it.” Sympathy is “oh my god, why is the world so mean to you?” They’d rather be victims than get through it quickly and quietly. I work with way too many of them. Many great people, but they definitely want sympathy over empathy.
Scarlett_Texas_Girl@reddit
I don't know. My ex husband is older GenX and one of the (many) things that made him my ex was his constant need to be a victim.
My current partner is almost 10 years younger than me (Millenial) and tough as nails. None of my kids (Gen Z and Alpha) play the victim game, male or female.
I think it's less of a generational issue and more a weakness of character issue.
poppinyaclam@reddit
With the attitude and gusto only a Gen X could muster. "Oh, quit your belly aching." 🤪
ego_tripped@reddit
"Lack of"...no. A refined sense of...certainly.
We learned long ago how and whom to invest emotionally into vs growing up with an expectation of an automatic reciprocation of feelings.
In other words, we weren't raised to need/seek out validation.
silasgoldeanII@reddit
There's very obviously nuance to all of this but for the most part, jesus christ.
the challenge with a load of these replies is that you're projecting your/your parents' values onto others, "fuck off with your fake trauma", frequent use of loaded terms like "whining", "bullshit" over and over. Even if you think you're able to hide your contempt, you probably can't.
If young people are a few degrees more sensitive than you - and it seems like this is the case - you can go a few ways. You can sneer, either publicly or privately. Or you can try to understand where this is coming from and how to make things work for everyone. The world isn't going to go back you know? Empathy and emotional intelligence is a thing now, whether you like it or not.
Someone mentioned people not doing a good job and how that plays out. I manage some young people and I am frequently surprised by some of their responses to things that would've been different when I was their age. But to me, the obvious thing to do is consider how it impacts our team's work. And you know what, generally it costs me nothing to accommodate them and their wishes. My team is as happy and effective as any I've ever managed, regardless of some of their little foibles. If someone isn't doing a good job we talk to them, we understand if it's a skills problem or an attitude problem, if we can fix it or if we can't. If we can everyone wins, if we can't we move them on. "Calling them out on their bullshit"... I mean, what is this? It's not 1985 any more. Get over yourselves.
SchuckTales@reddit
I don’t know and I don’t care.
LeadNo9107@reddit
We are empathetic. But you have to have what we view as a real reason for empathy.
We look at the trauma younger generations talk about and wonder what the fuck happened during our childhood, since a lot of that shit just sounds like daily life to us.
Parent hit you and swore at you? If it didn't happen to you, you knew someone it happened to regularly. That was "parenting."
Lost or in trouble? No such thing as a phone. Figure it out, slacker. Lots of cold missing persons cases to this day.
Constant low-key threat of nuclear death? Yep. All through the 70s and 80s, nuclear war was nightly news. We were children on edge, FOR YEARS, about dying in a world conflict. Not some far away WW II stuff... Fiery communist death falling from the sky with little or no warning.
People call you names? I was called "faggot" every day for weeks in person in 8th grade. I finally physically stood up for myself, and I didn't get in trouble for throwing that kid into the metal bleachers. That was justice.
There was always a bully. ALWAYS. Some fucker of a kid always took that spot. Good luck getting anyone to do anything about it. Even your parents would tell you to walk it off.
Everyone experiences generational trauma. It's just that our generational trauma is from a place of actual danger. I struggle to view a mean social media post as dangerous. I struggle to empathize with them, not with empathy itself.
So... you're a stoic GenXer! Welcome to the club.
Sad_Assist946@reddit
Just the opposite we were the PBS kids at least I was Mr Rodger’s Sesame Street
Individual-Mind-7685@reddit
I don’t know the answer to that question. I do know that the world will chew you up and spit you out if you don’t have a thick skin and develop some sort of coping skills when you get hurt
djay1991@reddit
It's called verbal abuse. It's a real thing. I dealt with it in one of my relationships. And it can very much lead to suicide and PTSD. I do lack empathy as an emotional response, always have. I ditch myself to follow the experts and feign empathy. I do think physical abuse and rape are worse, as they have both a physical and emotional component to.
groundhogcow@reddit
Empathy. I have it in fucking spades.
You know what isn't empathetic? Claiming false tragedy to get some empathy.
It's belittling to the people who went through real shit.
Oh, my dad once said a few mean things to me, so I am just like someone who survived a war in close combat. No, you are fucking not. Your minor incident doesn't even compare. Your refusal to participate because you were not born royalty is not deserving of empathy.
It shows complete disregard for real issues. It's not that we lack empathy. It's that they are clueless to reality.
I think I do a good job not hitting those self-important pricks in the face.
Justwaspassingby@reddit
Dudes, I’m an autistic Gen-Xer and I manage to have social interactions without offending anyone, don’t you think YOU might be the problem?
TigerGrizzCubs78@reddit
I was born in 78. The folks in my life (girlfriend, my family, my friends), I value. I’m proud of their successes, offer my support during their failures, and laugh and joke as well. I don’t really open up to my family at all. My girlfriend and certain friends? We can have fun and also some good honest conversations.
Coworkers? I don’t think about any of them off the clock. Random folks I meet? I am myself and am polite and respectful. If that is repaid with a dickish attitude, I view that as “that is how they want to be treated” so that attitude is returned in kind.
If the folks in my life like me, that’s great. I’ll keep doing what works. If random strangers like me? Ok. If random strangers don’t like me, oh well. It’s a waste of my time to be concerned about that
she_red41@reddit
I’m glad someone finally said it. I’m empathetic sure.. but if you can’t handle some words without falling apart… you’re gonna have a tough time in this life… is what I say. I’m not here to cater to grown folks emotions. I hear oh ur gen x huh? For sure I am. That’s why i have no time for the babying. lol
bigstrizzydad@reddit
Gen X is the worst educated, selfish, self-centered generation in history. No empathy, no brains, no class.
But we're still better than greedy ass Boomers.
DeeLite04@reddit
I think it’s less about are we not empathic and more about how we’ve learned to emotionally regulate. Perhaps it’s not healthy that we keep things in more but I’ll take that over word vomiting every emotion I have. It’s unhealthy to vent to social media rather than to a licensed therapist.
Frankly some of the younger gen’s are over-validated to the point that they think anything slightly discomforting is abuse or trauma. Those serious words are beginning to mean less and less now and I find that disturbing.
WhatTheHellPod@reddit
Reading the bulk of the replies in this thread answers the question in the affirmative. (and I was born in 69 so I am older Gen X, not a young 'un.)
DoubleDrummer@reddit
I won't speak for others but I feel that I fit between those before who repress everything and those after who repress nothing.
I feel all my emotions, I just don't let them control me.
elizajaneredux@reddit
When I compare Gen X to my many interactions with Gen Z, I don’t think we lack empathy. We have a low tolerance for BS and we don’t want to hear whining or excuses. The average Gen Z is more focused on what empathy and validation they do or don’t receive from others and in average seem far less concerned about giving those things to others. Of course, we’re also older and have had to manage more practical responsibilities for more years at this point, so it’s hard to compare. But when I think of my peers at, like, 19 compared to average 19 y.o. now, I think we were more empathic but less narcissistically sensitive.
Rockfest2112@reddit
I have always been short with ignorant and stupid people. Weak as well. Yet I can empathize with most. I understand what it means to be actually disabled. Because I literally am. Whiny too I can understand to a small degree. Yet from young people in their prime? Stop it and get on with it…..
LeoMarius@reddit
I have plenty of empathy, but I do lose patience with people who give up. It’s okay to get knocked down. It’s okay to cry about it. It’s not okay to stay down.
wardenferry419@reddit
The old sticks and stones saying is no longer applicable. Wait til you hear someone say they feel assaulted by a "mean look.". * Internalized laughter. *
nadiaco@reddit
no just hard to understand people who don't have trauma. but emotional abuse is about words so I disagree that words aren't a problem.
FunnyAsparagus1253@reddit
I agree that verbal abuse is a real thing with real effects and it should be put in the same bucket with other more obvious forms of abuse. It was a new idea for me too!
MysteriousFlight4515@reddit
Trauma is the coin of the realm on social media preferred by young people.
AcademicDoughnut426@reddit
I'm a trade teacher, my students range from 15-38. The amount of whining I have to listen to is way too much, the worst is the 38 year old to be completely honest.
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Psychic-Gorilla@reddit
Somewhere along the lines, they got the impression that they have the right to not be offended.
Littleshuswap@reddit
I had a co-worker, state yesterday, they called in sick, because they tripped the night before and hurt their ankle. Their spouse was SO worried. No limp,no bruise, able to walk... but called in sick.
Rub some fucking dirt on it and get back to work!
IntlDogOfMystery@reddit
Oh well, whatever.
Lastaria@reddit
I have an over abundance of empathy. Frankly it is a little detrimental. But like many of our generation put on an attitude concealing it.
Younger generations just show it more but I definitely don’t think they have more empathy, (I may get roasted for saying this) in fact it feels like they might have a little less.
I have noticed millennials like to blame everything on older generations and not take responsibility for themselves. Some things they genuinely have a case for and we Gen X at times take issue with boomers. But millennials blame them for everything and villainise them making them out to be behind all their woes, mocking them and rarely showing any compassion for their situation.
Our generation feels more like one that hides our compassion but it is there.
Superb_Ant_3741@reddit
Lack of empathy? That would be boomers.
tkdjoe1966@reddit
No. You're absolutely right. I'm thinking that this is the setup to taking away free speech.
Archangel1313@reddit
No. We just have a shortage of fucks to give.
limbodog@reddit
Some, yeah. Possibly for the same reason as or parents: lead poisoning that didn't really slow down until the 90s.
Adequate-Monicker634@reddit
For this reason we owe empathy to ouselves first, and thus allow our capacities for kindness to unfold. Also fuck off.
IceBear_028@reddit
No.
Just jaded and guarded as fuck.
silasgoldeanII@reddit
Well why are there mean words other than people being dicks?
"On the other, fuck off. It’s just mean words. I know a dozen ways to deal with it that don’t include force or violence. I told them to you. You didn’t do any of them. You just want to be a victim."
I know you're making a point, but this is a 100% lack of empathy isn't it? "you didn't do any of them" - falls into the trap of thinking that everyone wants a solution when they are talking. They don't, they want to be acknowledged, heard, understood, particularly when they're upset, and particularly when they're upset because someone else is being a dick.
Ghost-of-Sanity@reddit
I have empathy for those who deserve it. That being said, I don’t automatically have empathy for everybody about everything. Also, my BS radar is pretty sharp at 53. I’d assume most of us Gen X people are the same in that regard. But I’m not recognizing your victim status just because you said so. Actual victims deserve empathy. Those who are a victim of their own little made up “cages” are not. When I was young, my mom would tell me, “Life’s not fair.” And I’ll be damned…she was right. But that doesn’t excuse an entire “poor me” personality.
Sumeriandawn@reddit
Who's/what's a typical GenX'er?
Kurt Cobain, Elon Musk, Eminem, Ted Cruz, Charlie Sheen, Mike Tyson, Tupac, Shania Twain, Sinead o Connor, Rodney King, Lucy Lawless, Monica Lewinsky, Puff Daddy, Tim McVeigh, Justin Trudueau, Tonya Harding, Julia Roberts, Adam Sandler
What's the common link besides being born between 1965 and 1980?
Remember back in your high school, was there only one personality type among the students? Of course not.
JerJol@reddit
I do.
whydya-dodat@reddit
GenX holds a balance between empathy and apathy:
“I feel your pain, but I don’t fucking care.”
SosigDoge@reddit
Not at all, I have far, far too much empathy. It's one of my main faults.
maeryclarity@reddit
No, I most certainly don't lack empathy but I am in accord with this drift of terms. Your being subjected to words is not equal to being subjected to physical attack. Although someone can be verbally abusive, verbally abusive is not equal to physically abusive.
I don't get what is up with the Victim Olympics and I feel like to some degree it's a terminally online problem, and that younger folks feel like they get attention/are validated by claiming to suffer, and to be clear I am NOT saying that everyone talking about it hasn't experienced pain, just that no, not all pain is equally damaging, and that it's not a competition.
That said, let them have their thing, it's not our job to police their terms.
People shouldn't be verbally abusive but there's no Abuse Olympic awards either and I find that the best remedy for the folks looking to claim harm/offense when none was intended is to offer them an immediate and sincere apology with the caveat that no offense or harm was intended. Not "that didn't hurt you" but "I am sorry that that hurt you, I didn't intend for you to be hurt and I won't joke around with you that way again" and then just leave it at that.
The only reason to defend yourself is if you're being accused of something unacceptable like racism or sexism. If in fact your words were not racist or sexist then snap back vigorously that you won't tolerate that type of accusation as it is a serious accusation and not to be thrown lightly. The best way to avoid that type of accusation is to not make racial or sexual remarks of course but folks are so hyped to "catch" anyone these days that it can come up sometimes anyway. So watch the jokes, don't make inappropriate generalizations about other people, and you should be good.
Just going with "kids these days..." is meh I mean it's a time tested favorite of Old People but if you wanna stay in the conversation you'll need to get with the current thing
Don't worry it'll be something else fifteen minutes from now, Gen Alpha is pretty effin' crude as best I can tell, probably in rebuttal of the GenZ hyper-feelings.
TenuousOgre@reddit
Like much else, I reserve empathy for those who need it. If in my opinion the person whining needs a dose of reality, they get that. If they need more, I debate whether I have the time to really help them mature that much.
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Taodragons@reddit
I've always been really good at letting shit roll off me, the problem with that shell of "I don't give a shit what you think" is that it cuts both ways. I'm also essentially incapable of taking a compliment.
I swear one of my best decisions as a parent was roasting my kids, two gen z's that developed thick skins.
SpaceAdventures3D@reddit
Verbal abuse is a recognized form of abuse. Psychological abuse is another recognized form of abuse. But I do agree that some people can misappropriate these terms in situations where they absolutely don't apply.
We don't know the scenarios with younger people you have experienced, and what "mean words" you are saying to younger people. So who's to say if you are in the wrong or not.
Slang changes all the time, the weight of certain words can change over time, social protocols can change. So you might be saying something that is getting interpreted differently than you intend. Understanding each other has to be a 2-way street. You need to cut younger people some slack, and younger people need to understand that us middle-aged folk talk a different way than they do. If there are misunderstandings, we need to keep our cool and work things out.
TransitJohn@reddit
No. We were raised, perhaps neglectfully, to be resilient, and there is now, perhaps, an overly compensated manner of raising children, which has less resilient and more fragile outcomes. This is probably an old person rant, but fuck it. It's been on my mind for a while.
BigBlueMastiff@reddit
Agreed, I look at it as not having time for BS from anyone (Thanks Mom & Dad). I got no sympathy for complaining without offering a potential solution, or at least trying to solve the problem. I hear a lot of younger people constantly complain, but offer no solutions, as if complaiing is helpful.
wolverine18842@reddit
As a later Millennial myself, I admire Gen X's no tolerance for bs and hope one day I can be exactly like that. The sooner the better. It's not empathy y'all lack. I have met some very empathetic gen X people, it's just that y'all have been through bs and y'all have no tolerance for whining. Keep it up, Gen X.
ReneeLiana@reddit
Ah, this is an example of ablist thinking, where you're expecting everyone to be able to handle things the same as you, to do what you say. But you think because these kids are letting you know what their boundaries are due to their past traumas, they want to be a victim. You realize that's fucked up right? Like, were you "spanked as a kid but turned out alright?" Maybe realizing you could do with a little more gentleness towards yourself and others, respect their requests to use kind words, then you'll see how your nervous system relaxes too. Our generation went through a lot. It's time to heal with these kids and work together towards a way cooler tomorrow. Best 🖤
YellowMailbox_1975@reddit
No, we have a lack of coping skills and tools for something other than repressing all our shit. I'm finding this is as prevalent for our generation as colon cancer and I don't want to wait for our lives to be over. See? I'm a sarcastic, caustic, piece of shit. But my partner and pets like me, so fuck off and let me get back to learning the IT skills that I need to survive 30 more years on the workforce.
So open up your morning light, and say a little prayer for i
One-Armed-Krycek@reddit
Some do. Some consider having no empathy a badge of honor: “I had it rough, so everyone else should too.”
Most, I think, give a shit about others: “I had it rough and I want to make sure others after me don’t have it rough.”
chromatoma1@reddit
I empathize with people who are truly going through shit. However I cannot and will not deal with whiny people who are crying about some first world problems.
akillerofjoy@reddit
Op, I’m what you refer to as “the other hand”. The fuck-Off mindset. I’m the guy who lives in Ricky Gervais brain. Referring to his last hosting of some awards ceremony. It’s not so much that I lack empathy. I don’t, actually. What I lack is the inclination to wipe the snot off grown-ass men and women.
Hurts? Walk it off. Hungry? Drink some water. Gf left you? Go get another one. Cat died? Grab one of the 17 that hang on your neighbor’s porch. Who cares, they’re cats, they are literally all the same.
Back when I was growing up, in a country far far away, the common saying used to be, if they complain about a headache, shoot them in the foot. I guarantee you, cures any headache, instantly. By now you’re probably wondering, where’s that empathy one hears so much about? Well, for starters, I never actually followed through with shooting someone in the foot. Not gonna say that I don’t regret it, but, y’know, empathy.
It is truly amazing to me how quickly the landscape has changed. I remember having normal, interesting conversations with young folks my age, then, suddenly, the world wasn’t ours anymore. And who pushed us aside, so unceremoniously? Someone stronger? More agile? More mentally capable?
Nope. Someone whose sole weapon of choice is whining. That’s right. The almighty generation X got superseded by some goddamn snowflakes. That’s what we raised to follow in our footsteps? How the fuck did we get it so wrong? Did we overcompensate to make sure that our kids don’t grow up filled with the same piss and vinegar we have for our parents? Probably. Little did we know how right our parents were.
I give a lot of credit to the millennials. They started out with a shit hand, and for the most part they made it into adulthood, with very little guidance. Not like they had any good role models. Now they are struggling to raise kids of their own.
Or maybe it’s all BS, and none of it actually means anything, just another generation after another. World keeps turning. We keep getting more and more irrelevant.
TheSwedishEagle@reddit
I don’t really care one way or another
Scared_Wall_504@reddit
Absolutely not.
yaymonsters@reddit
Oh I have empathy, and a grand capacity to show you the difference between your trauma and my trauma.
qning@reddit
I think a lot of us learned what empathy is and when we learned about it we wanted it. So we've worked on it and are working on it. That's how I feel about me at least.
And yes, I have moved politically from the right to the left.
BeepBopARebop@reddit
I have more empathy than most people I know. Doesn't mean I tolerate bullshit.
meekonesfade@reddit
King Gizzard had a message at the start of their concert about making sure everyone had fun and stayed safe in the mosh pit. I like it
ApatheistHeretic@reddit
I'll help with a real and genuine problem.
If you bring me some self-caused BS, it's a toss-up; Is it something you should learn from through suffering, or is the impact too large and would destroy you (metaphorically)?
If you're being a spaz over nothing, you've earned either vicious ridicule or my eternal antipathy depending on my mood and the hilarity of what you've done.
MorteDagger@reddit
I do not like bullshit and there tons of people shoveling. I am very empathic unless you just constantly say you’re the victim when your actions created the bullshit. Thankfully I raised my kids as feral as I was and they have a low bullshit meter as well
Chilindrina22@reddit
No. When proper empathy is needed, I can empath with the best of them. But, if someone’s acting like a little b****, don’t expect sympathy from me.
Advanced_Tax174@reddit
Empathy doesn’t mean catering to every sniveling, whiny bitch who badly needs to face some actual, real-world adversity.
Randy_Chaos@reddit
Pfft. Who cares?
revelm@reddit (OP)
Maybe the most GenX response.
Affectionate-Leg-260@reddit
I find myself caught in the middle between Boomers and Millennials. Boomers who have been mentors are now saying things that I are inappropriate but I just shake my head (yes it is sometimes funny). And the youngsters who get but hurt over everything.
--__--scott@reddit
I lack tolerance. I’m empathetic, but I rarely get involved.
EvenSpoonier@reddit
I think it's more empathy burnout than lack of empathy per se. Empathy is not an inexhaustible resource, and we've been taxed beyond what you can reasonably expext a person to give.
Lorelai_72@reddit
Yep.
AbruptMango@reddit
We've got more empathy than the generation that raised us, and probably less than later age cohorts.