What Car Should I Buy? - A Weekly Megathread
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Location: (Specify your country or region)
Price range: (Minimum-Maximum in your local currency)
Lease or Buy:
New or used:
Type of vehicle: (Truck, Car, Sports Car, Sedan, Crossover, SUV, Racecar, Luxury etc.)
Must haves: (4x4, AWD, Fuel efficient, Navigation, Turbo, V8, V6, Trunk space, Smooth ride, Leather etc.)
Desired transmission (auto/manual, etc):
Intended use: (Daily Driver, Family Car, Weekend Car, Track Toy, Project Car, Work Truck, Off-roading etc.)
Vehicles you've already considered:
Is this your 1st vehicle:
Do you need a Warranty:
Can you do Minor work on your own vehicle: (fluids, alternator, battery, brake pads etc)
Can you do Major work on your own vehicle: (engine and transmission, timing belt/chains, body work, suspension etc )
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Bmw m5 cs 2022
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Soupfan323@reddit
Location: California Bay Area
Price range:15k-30k
Lease or buy: idk
New or used: either
Type of vehicle: sedan with large storage space. hatchback or very small suv. Pretty sure I want a hybrid but NOT plugin, currently dont have access to charging at home or work.
Must haves: prefer knobs over touch screen buttons. Good mileage.
Desired transmission: auto
Intended use: daily driving (mix local street and freeway, approximately 15 miles each weekday) and weekend trips
Vehicles you’ve already considered: Prius. Considering Toyota, Honda and ford but don’t know too much about specific models.
Is this your first vehicle: no
Can you do minor work on your own: no
Can you do major work on your own: no
Thanks in advance!
scycron@reddit
Prius or Civic hatchback is the answer
SuomiPekka@reddit
Location: Kentucky
Price range: 10K - 20k
Lease or Buy: Buy
New or used: Used
Type of vehicle: SUV
Must haves: sunroof
Desired transmission (auto/manual, etc): auto
Intended use: Daily driver
Vehicles you've already considered: Mazda CX-9, Honda Pilot, Ford Explorer, Jeep Grand Cherokee,
Is this your 1st vehicle: No
Do you need a Warranty: No
Can you do Minor work on your own vehicle: Yes
Can you do Major work on your own vehicle: No
Additional Notes: I drive every day about 150 miles back and forth in a major interstate. Reliability and safety is a must.
bullzFromAT@reddit
2016 or later cx9 or pilot. Stay away from the explorer and jeep
al15al15@reddit
Location: Eastern Pennsylvania Price range: 20,000 - 40,000 Lease or Buy: Either New or used: New Type of vehicle: Small cargo work van Must haves: Trunk space for tools and parts Desired transmission (auto/manual, etc): Auto Intended use: Work/trade vehicle Vehicles you've already considered: Discontinued Ford Transit Connect and Nissan NV200 Is this your 1st vehicle: No Do you need a Warranty: Maybe Can you do Minor work on your own vehicle: Yes Can you do Major work on your own vehicle: No Additional notes: I do not want a full size work van. I’m unsure about a minivan as a carpentry/plumbing/HAVC/plumbing vehicle. We do not travel far for work locations.
bullzFromAT@reddit
You can use a minivan as long as your load isn't heavy. Loading and unloading HVACs would wreck the shocks. You can get a new Odyssey on your budget. I would recommend a used transit connect. More space and can take a load. You can't get it new since Ford discontinued it.
scycron@reddit
Brand new is really tough. I would see if a Ford Maverick with a bed topper could fit your needs as they are quite small. I can not think of a brand new small van.
neuroticboneless@reddit
Location: Long Island, NY
Price range: $5,000 - $35,000
Lease or Buy: Buy
New or used: Used
Type of vehicle: Sedan / Coupe / Wagon
Must haves: Reliability, Overall comfort, Bluetooth/Carplay, Better MPG than current vehicle (JLU Wrangler), Good sound system, space when I have to work in drivers seat parked between appointments
Desired transmission (auto/manual, etc): Auto
Intended use: Daily driver for work as in-home sales rep, driving anywhere from 15-20k miles/year. Occasionally transporting expectant child when not using main family vehicle (see additonal notes)
Vehicles you've already considered: Practical: Civic, Accord, Camry, Jetta, Mazda 3 Less Practical: 3 & 5 Series, Q3, CT4/5, A3 Hatch, A4, Macan, Panamera
Is this your 1st vehicle: No
Do you need a Warranty: No
Can you do Minor work on your own vehicle: Somewhat, but will probably pay a trusted mechanic
Can you do Major work on your own vehicle: No
Additional Notes:
- Currently driving '22 Jeep JLU on a lease <$400/month, was in an accident and while it's fixed, concerned about long term reliability considering how much I now drive (got it before a job change). Was going to buy it out and do a lift + tires, but may not be the right decision now. \~$7000 left on lease, will probably owe \~$5,000 on mileage overage if I dont buy out after lease is up.
- Wife drives the "family" car, so not imperative that I need full back seat or 3rd row, however as we are expecting our first, still will need to have access for a car seat.
- Would still like to have something interesting or relatively "fun" as a car enthusiast, however I can understand that may not jive with what would be the best selection for my needs.
- I would look at an electric car as there is a lot of mechanical ICE wear and tear I wouldn't have to worry about, but my living situation doesn't have access to charging. From my research if I can only charge at stations, it'll effectively cost me around the same in terms of charge vs gas, and be less convenient in terms of charging locations vs gas stations.
- Wondering if keeping the jeep until lease end (summer '26) due to low payment, selling it to break even, and then going into something might be the most cost effective. Though itll probably have \~70k miles on it by then. Will probably cross 40k by the new year or so.
bullzFromAT@reddit
Won't you be crossing the lease limit? You can get a hybrid and save money on gas. Used RAV4 hybrid. Not exciting to drive but reliable
CarrieNoir@reddit
Location: Northern California
Price range: $30k-ish
Lease or Buy: Buy
New or used: Used
Type of vehicle: Van
Must haves: Knobs
Desired transmission: Doesn't matter
Intended use: Daily driver.
Vehicles you've already considered: Honda Odyssey
Is this your 1st vehicle: Nope - More like my 15th or 20th
Do you need a Warranty: Nope
Can you do Minor work on your own vehicle: Fluids only
Can you do Major work on your own vehicle: No.
Additional Notes: Here is the real crux of my conundrum: My husband and I have been alternating between driving three 20-year old cars (a Jag, a Lexus, and a Honda Odyssey). They are all on death's door and as I start to research replacements, I realize that in the past two decades, most cars' dashboards' dials and knobs have been replaced with LCD computer screens. We are old-school and like being able to feel a certain-shaped knob to adjust the heat or air-conditioning, change a radio station, or hit cruise control.
What van models can I look for -- circa 2018 to 2023 -- that has more of a classic dash versus an LCD screen?
bullzFromAT@reddit
I would get the Odyssey again. 2018 or later. While it has a lcd, basic controls (volume, climate, cruise control) are still buttons. It's a nice balance between old and new. If you want something even more old school, get the sienna. 2020 or older. 2021 sienna is a hybrid with newer controls.
whotimaga@reddit
Location: Pennsylvania
Price range: 15k-20k
Lease or Buy: Buy
New or used: Used
Type of vehicle: Sedan or hatch
Must haves: sunroof, heated seats, easily accessible rear seats
Desired transmission (auto/manual, etc): Manual
Intended use: Daily driver
Vehicles you've already considered: VW GTI, Ford Maverick (I know, not manual), Subaru WRX, Honda Civic
Is this your 1st vehicle: No
Do you need a Warranty: No
Can you do Minor work on your own vehicle: Yes
Can you do Major work on your own vehicle: No
Additional Notes: I'm not exactly in need of a new daily, but I would like to start research. My current car is a 2010 BMW 328xi sedan in manual. I absolutely love manual and would like to keep going with it for my daily, as I don't have a fun/weekend car yet. My commute is 20 miles round trip, and I only make it twice a week - combined with grocery runs etc. I'm only putting about 5k a year on my car - but I've had this one 11 years and would like to get something a bit newer and different. I do need something with an accessible back seat, I have 2 small kids still in car seats (high back boosters), and while they don't ride in my car frequently it would be nice not to struggle to get the seats in the back.
My preferred drivetrain is AWD but it's not a hard and fast rule. Since I'm remote when I want, I no longer really drive in bad weather, so even RWD is acceptable.
I would really like something engaging to drive - my current car does 0-60 in the 6s and that's plenty fast IMO, fun in the corners is where it's at. I'm also not going to track or autocross this car so it doesn't need to be a monster, but a fun backroads cruiser would be ideal.
I did consider a Maverick, as a combination daily and replacement for my beater truck, but it isn't manual and I do have quality concerns after all of the recent recalls.
Elianor_tijo@reddit
The WRX would be your best bet for manual AWD if you ask me, finding one that hasn't been beat on may be a tad more challenging.
Fun in the corners is something a Civic Si would do well too, not AWD, but the limited slip diff at the front does wonders for handling and you can basically throw them in corners like a maniac. They tend to retain their value which means finding a recent model cheap is difficult.
The Mazda 3 was made in manual too, but the AWD trims are automatic only.
I was sort of in your shoes, but for a new car and finding a new car with a manual is difficult nowadays.
whotimaga@reddit
Thanks for the reply. I do have some movement in the budget, so a Golf R is maybe possible, something I'll look into. I'm paying cash, and not in a huge rush, so I can use some time to build up some more cash for it.
As for the WRX, yes it being beat on is my main concern - hard to find one that's been treated well and left stock.
My BIL has a 2020 Civic in stick (just a sport I think), and I think that size etc. would work well.
My brother had a 2018 Mazda 3 until recently (also stick) and loved it - I like them well enough but I just don't see them for sale often in my area.
Elianor_tijo@reddit
You could add the Elantra N (not the N Line) to your list. Used is a little above 20K. They still come in manual even if the transmission is known to be a bit quirky. I've heard it called the "Kirkland edition" of the fun manual. Also FWD, but again, that limited slip differential it has at the front does a good job at minimizing the torque steer 276 HP at the wheels would cause.
I was forgetting about the Jetta GLI too!
All the other manuals I can think of are a lot more expensive.
spateder@reddit
Not super helpful, but I'd look into Alex on Autos and Micah Muzio's channels on YouTube for reviews on whatever you shortlist. They're probably going to be good sources on the car seat piece.
perkele_possum@reddit
Not a manual, but I'll just mention the Mazda CX-50. Since you mention easy to access rear seats (the rear doors open 90°).
I've been a manual diehard and my CX-50 is the first automatic that I've actually liked. It's "merely" a 6-speed, so the shifting actually feels natural and purposeful instead of all these 8/9/10 speeds that shift in 300 rpm increments. The TCC is locked 99% of the time so it maintains that very direct feeling that a manual has. It actually has some engine braking and downshifts through gears for you as you slow down to maintain deceleration and be in an appropriate gear when you want to accelerate. The shifter is very naturally placed so manual shifting feels as great as jiggling an automatic gear lever can.
Again, it's not a manual. It won't be as fun or direct. But it's so good at doing what I would be doing anyways with a stick that I almost don't miss a manual. I still do though. I'm probably going to be buying a Miata for a second car pretty soon to get my fix.
CooperDoops@reddit
Location: Nebraska
Price range: $35k-45k
Lease or Buy: Buy
New or used: Either (CPO preferred if used)
Type of vehicle: Hatch, wagon, or SUV/CUV
Must haves: 4 doors, room for kid/car seats, cargo space for a medium-sized dog crate, driving engagement/enjoyment, plenty of power, quality engine note, new(ish) tech - CarPlay specifically
Desired transmission (auto/manual, etc): Manual or DSG/ZF8
Intended use: Daily driver, kid/dog hauler, occasional hooning, maybe an auto-x or two
Vehicles you've already considered: X3 M40i, X3M Comp, MK8 Golf R, MK8 GTI, SQ5, Macan S, V60 T8 Recharge
Is this your 1st vehicle: No, I come from a string of GTIs (MK2, MK5 and MK7). MK7 was recently totaled.
Do you need a Warranty: Yes
Can you do Minor work on your own vehicle: (fluids, alternator, battery, brake pads etc): Yes
Can you do Major work on your own vehicle: (engine and transmission, timing belt/chains, body work, suspension etc ) No
Additional Notes: I've had my MK7 GTI for nearly eight years, but just lost it to a total loss accident. I've been waffling over selling it and "upgrading" for the past six months but struggle to find something that replicates the GTI character in a bigger, better, more "mature" package. Of all the cars I've already considered the M40i and Golf R were the biggest standouts, even if the X3MC was completely bonkers in all the right ways. I'm open to other ideas/suggestions, but really obscure options will be hard to find a) in my area and b) on short notice due to the total loss situation.
Sheppard-Of-Fire@reddit
Anything with a manual transmission
jo-mama123-_-@reddit
Location: Central Texas (Austin)
Price range: Preferably under $40K
Lease or Buy: open to both
New or used: open to both
Type of vehicle: Car, Sports Car, Sedan, Compact ( i really like hatchbacks but its not required)
Must haves: reliability, literally anything faster than my current 2011 Kia soul, good interior, 4 doors (insurance purposes),
Desired transmission automatic only
Intended use: Daily driver (i work from home 4 days a week, i live off of 290 so i am like 70% highway usage), it would be my only car
Vehicles you've already considered:
- 2025 GR automatic Corolla, SE Camry, XSE Corolla Hatch, Grand Touring Honda Civic Hatch Hybrid, Mazda MX3 turbo AWD, honda accord hybrid, subaru WRX, subaru impreza, others of the same category
Is this your 1st vehicle: this will technically be the first vehicle i will buy (or lease) myself but it will be the 2nd. first car (2011 kia soul) was a hand-me-down
Do you need a Warranty: Yes, whether it is new or used. will be my one and only car, daily driver, so it needs to keep working
Can you do Minor work on your own vehicle: no but i have a good shop that is cheaper than most places that I take my car to in south austin
Can you do Major work on your own vehicle: no
Additional Notes:
I am just looking for advice on what is a good, fun, daily driver. I thought that the GR corolla, even though out of my budget, was the dream car because it was fast, reliable because of toyota, and a hatchback. but the more reviews i watch the more i see that it isnt the best for daily commuting/driving. just looking for something similar or a bit lower in price/performance that can commute and can still be fun and plenty fast. i just want passing power since i spend most of my time on highways going into austin.
scycron@reddit
Your most practical option would be a civic hatchback, hybrid is available on 2025 models. If you want more fun, you can look at a golf GTI.
jo-mama123-_-@reddit
are you saying to go for the normal or the hybrid, i’m confused.
maybe i’m just japanese-pilled but i’ve always just assumed volkswagen reliability wasn’t that great which is why i never considered the golf
scycron@reddit
I was merely informing you that if you want a hybrid you would have to go 2025+. You can go either hybrid or strictly gas, it's your choice. Volkswagen is fine but generally German cars do not handle skipping scheduled maintenance very well. If you maintain them properly you will be fine.
Free_Implement6627@reddit
Hey so i have been debating furiously for the past few weeks about the decision between a manual C7 zo6 and a 2023/2024 3.0 manual supra. This is a car that im going to keep forever so its potential means a lot to me.
Originally my plan was always the zo6, even had gotten a base stingray to have until i was as ready as i am now. But over time ive started to love how Supras look and the platform in general of the b58. I also really love japan so having a japanese car would be kinda cool.
One nice factor of getting the zo6 is the fact that i would be able to keep it mostly stock and not have to spend much money on mods as it already comes with such a high hp. Meanwhile with the supra to get it up to those levels i would need to unlock the ecu, downpipe, tune, maybe a bigger turbo. While this isn't at all a deal breaker for me on the supra, it is something to just consider maybe.
Another big factor ive also been thinking about is if i get this supra it will be a new car, 2024/25, which means i will get a warranty from toyota of about 60k miles. This is a big edge to the supra for me as i would happily enjoy saving money on any possible parts failing during that time. Though, it's not entirely a deal breaker for the zo6, which would still be a fairly new car (10-30k miles), just without warranty.
Regardless of which i get i would over time add mods for power gain, albeit not as much with the zo6. Which brings me to my biggest concern of all: which has the most potential? The platform with the highest ceiling without blowing up your engine or having to rebuild the internals?
(Feel free to mention any other cars I should consider that fit the price range of 50-65k)
scycron@reddit
Corvette is the better platform with more support and potential, which you pick is based on preference. If you mod a supra you lose warranty
99-week@reddit
Which to choose for a daily driver?
Subaru Impreza 2009 1.5 107hp with AWD or a Mercedes Benz W124 2.0 diesel.
Both have their own pros and cons, the main pros for Mercedes is the low consumption (I have to drive for long distances every weekend from uni to home), while the Impreza is newer and have better features.
I owned a few cars past years (both older Imprezas and also 80s/90s cars), I am pretty handy and worked on all of my cars myself. Both are around the same price, and both are in pretty good shape, but the W124 can be made an Old Timer (less insurance and no TAX).
scycron@reddit
The w124 is the better built car but the Impreza is newer with better crash rating. It's your choice which you prefer
Recent_Permit2653@reddit
Location - East Texas with potential to go back up to Rochester NY
Price range - sub-10k
Lease or buy - buy
New or used - used
Type of vehicle - anything but a truck or SUV
Must haves - manual transmission. It’s not negotiable. Good MPG is highly desired.
Desired transmission - see above
Intended use - daily driver/fun car
Vehicles you’ve already considered - everything from Acura RSX to Mitsu Mirage to Fiesta and Focus ST. Looking now at ‘09 WRX hatch, a Focus ST, an ‘02 Camaro V6 with 25k miles, and an Accord coupe.
Can I do work on the vehicle - yes, somewhere between minor and major work. I can use OBDII to diagnose and I have the ability up to things like CV axles, timing belts, and other moderate needs. The less I need to do these, the better.
Practical is nice and a good bump, reliability is key, and I’d err on the side of fuel economy vs sporty. Manual transmission is a 100% must, it’s not negotiable.
scycron@reddit
first generation honda fit
spateder@reddit
(posting this one more time since I posted in the last 6 hours of last week's thread)
Location: San Francisco Bay Area, California, USA
Price range: willing to be flexible as long as the value proposition remains strong, but pretty much everything is around \~20-30K
New or used: used, which I believe implies buy
Type of vehicle: Flexible on luxury / mass market, sedan / wagon / SUV, etc. No trucks.
Must haves:
- small size: I currently drive a 2012 Ford Focus Titanium Sedan and love the size of the car from a shadow standpoint, i.e. length and width. I like the idea of a compact sedan / crossover. Accords, Camries, X5s, etc. are too big when it comes to parking in the city.
- good enough trunk + passenger space: I'm happy with my Focus here, but I'm open to a hatchback/SUV if it ultimately means similar/more trunk space in a similar/smaller footprint. I want to be able to seat 5 people, if a bit uncomfortably
- fun to drive: surprisingly, I think my Focus is actually really enjoyable to drive. Car and Driver gave it a 10Best award and I honestly see why. No beige Corollas.
- decent styling: this is totally subjective, but I don't like cars that are too overstyed (e.g., the past-gen Civic) or too bland
- fuel efficient: ideally \~30/\~40 MPG in city/highway driving. I'm open to hybrids (regular or plug-in) if they're still fun to drive. No EVs unfortunately as I can't charge at home.
- features: leather seating and parking sensors front + rear are mandatory. Great to have adaptive cruise control and a self-parallel park feature (I probably use that weekly). Nice to have lane centering (if it's good). I'd generally like to purchase the highest trim level of a vehicle or the one right below it. The EX-L trim level on Hondas / Titanium trim level on Fords is a pretty good calibration point. I've rented cars with CarPlay and think it's nice, but don't actually consider it a must have.
- decently reliable, new-ish. I'd like something that's been released in the past decade, that I can get with <100K miles on it, and that I can take into an independent mechanic one time a year only and walk out with a bill under \~$2K in most years. My Focus has 150K miles so far and it's been surprisingly drama-free
Desired transmission: automatic only. The hills in SF are too steep for me to learn right now.
Intended use: Daily Driver
DoctorDetrimental@reddit
Try looking into the Golf GTI/Jetta GLI. You can find both CPO for under $30k easily. The GTI has the hatchback and cool factor, the GLI is a bit cheaper and easier to find with nice features. They'll hit your MPG goals all day on 87 octane and have tons of aftermarket support if that's your thing.
spateder@reddit
I thought about the GTI / GLI (and was looking briefly at some 2017/2018s), but I think I like the A3 e-tron (hatchback) as my preferred Golf flavor. Any thoughts on the reliability/maintenance cost of the A3 e-tron or the GTI?
DoctorDetrimental@reddit
I can't speak too much to the reliability of the A3; from what I'm reading on forms and such it seems like typical VAG woes.
That said, the GTI/GLI's power train is simpler and far more common than the A3 e tron's. Even if it does prove as reliable as a GTI, you may run into issues finding parts/mechanics willing to work on it if it does break.
spateder@reddit
Makes sense, thanks a ton!
spateder@reddit
Vehicles you've already considered:
- 2016+ Audi A3 e-tron Premium: Rented one of these recently and felt like I loved it, but a bit hesitant on the annual maintenance cost. I'd probably want a warranty if I were to buy this, and would consider that in the cost of the car. This is technically the base model, but for 2016 even the base model had parking sensors. If I got a 2017/2018 model then I'd need to step up to the Premium Plus trim. This is my preferred flavor of Golf.
- 2019+ Mazda CX-5 Signature: Rented a (non-turbo) CX-5 before and was struck by how nice it was for the money. <50K mile Signature trim examples seem to go for \~$25K. Hesitant here due to MPGs, but I imagine these would probably last for \~10 years easily with good maintenance and Soul Red Crystal looks so beautiful in person.
- 2018+ BMW X3 M40i: Haven't driven this one yet, but obviously folks hype up the B58 quite a bit and knowing that the powertrain is fairly reliable gives me a degree of piece of mind (though I'd 100% be buying a warranty here too). This is clearly the nicest car on the list, so only willing to consider it if the value proposition is strong. I will say that I have quite enjoyed having a car that flew under the radar esp. when driving through sketchier parts of town, which is a (minor) point against this.
- 2022+ Honda Civic Hatchback: I'd ideally like for depreciation to hit these a bit harder first, but this seems like the best option if I wanted the best version of what I currently have - a compact sedan that's reliable, fuel efficient, flies under the radar, fun to drive, has decent storage space, etc.
Is this your 1st vehicle: No - I really love my Ford Focus Titanium Sedan. It's doing well but just hit 150K miles so I'm beginning to look in case an exceptional opportunity pops up.
Do you need a Warranty: No, but see note above on reliability. I'd like to average out to under \~$2,000 a year in maintenance costs
Can you do Minor/Major work on your own vehicle: No - I'll take the car in annually to a dealer / independent mechanic for all scheduled maintenance + whatever is flagged during an inspection
Additional Notes: My two main questions are:
(1) Am I forgetting anything major here?
(2) Am I being too optimistic on the X3/A3 e-tron? Will they be maintenance nightmares that cause me to spend more time/money taking care of them than I'd like to?
barronlroth@reddit
Location: FL, USA
Price range: Up to $30k
Lease or Buy: Buy
New or used: Used
Type of vehicle: Convertible
Must haves: 4 seats, Carplay is a nice-to-have (or ability to retrofit).
Desired transmission (auto/manual, etc): Doesn't matter to me.
Intended use: Weekend car + car for mother to drive around her 2 mile radius tasks
Vehicles you've already considered: Considered a Miata + Boxster but she was adamant she needed 4 seats.
Is this your 1st vehicle: No
Do you need a Warranty: Idk, do I?
Can you do Minor work on your own vehicle: Its for my mother, and I'm not always around, so no.
Can you do Major work on your own vehicle: No
Additional Notes:
DoctorDetrimental@reddit
The A5/S5 may be worth a look.
scycron@reddit
Ford mustang convertible, BMW 430i convertible