Send your kids to the tax slave farm so they can explain it to you.
Posted by Jombes_Industries@reddit | Libertarian | View on Reddit | 107 comments
Posted by Jombes_Industries@reddit | Libertarian | View on Reddit | 107 comments
Stiks-n-Bones@reddit
You pay if you have no kids in school, send to private school, or never had kids...
VitiiUnciaVitaVitii@reddit
I paid $70k tax this FY (Australia), I never once used the public health, education or welfare system.
But because I invested in myself and became a functioning, self sufficient member of society, I'm now forced to provide for strangers.
lukekvas@reddit
"Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government." -Thomas Jefferson
Or in other words you still derive benefits from living in an educated citizenry even if you personally do not have kids.
Jombes_Industries@reddit (OP)
If only public schools were worth a shit.
Brutal_Lobster@reddit
Because many lack proper funding.
SuckHerNipples@reddit
Get outta here ya statist!
Brutal_Lobster@reddit
This is a Libertarian sub. Libertarians do still hold the idea that taxes should be paid and used to benefit society. Education is something you want the people to have a say in, which we do by voting. Without funding none of it matters, can’t pay teachers, can’t get new books for kids.
Stomping your feet and saying “I can take care of my own” doesn’t help the poor kids of stupid parents, which I’m sure you know there are many. Those kids are going to be part of the work force one day, hopefully. It is an investment that benefits you to educate all children.
Ignoring education is NOT libertarian, it is just contrarian.
The government should provide basic education, upload law and order, protect boarders, and purse global interests. These are fundamental in Classic Liberalism.
At the end of the day you may not care, but also at the end of the day your earnings will be stolen from you to go to these things regardless. You can either put your hands over your ears and pretend it doesn’t affect you or you can use that 5th grade reading level to put together that NOT having an actual opinion is pathetic. The memes are fun, but this is real life and you’re poisoning the well by just saying stupid shit. People like you are why Libertarianism is dead.
Jombes_Industries@reddit (OP)
Yeah that's the issue.
Whiskey-Sippin-Pyro@reddit
Most public schools are just glorified day care centers.
berkarov@reddit
The sole benefit in this instance being people are educated enough to want low to no taxes, and a minimal to non existent government. Unfortunately, being 'educated' at this point in history also tends to go hand in hand with not being 'well-informed' in ways that I would trust others with a government that is shared with me.
LogicalConstant@reddit
That's an excuse for all kinds of rights violations
supersecretsquirel@reddit
It’s almost like they don’t care and just continue to treat citizens like a giant piggy bank for their friends, illegal immigrants, and foreign nations. Americans are the world’s piggy bank essential haha
Shaolin__Funk@reddit
Kamala would jail mothers for their kids being truant, don’t be surprised if more shit like this happens.
SouthsideSlayer23@reddit
Damn, that would almost cover 2 of my kids' private school tuitions.
Viend@reddit
Damn what kinda private school is only $8k a year? Cheapest I’ve found around me is $29k.
SouthsideSlayer23@reddit
It's about $5k per kid plus I get to pay around $6k in property tax. I'm sure it's more expensive elsewhere. $29k for 12 years isn't happening...
ronpaulclone@reddit
And your private school probably produces 75+ percentile scores. Instead of these $16,000 per kid government schools who don’t teach anything
CpnVoltaire@reddit
It’s the same as “free” healthcare. You have your own private health insurance yet you have to contribute to everyone else’s
NekoNaNiMe@reddit
We should abolish public schooling, and go back to a system where kids can go to the best school their parents can afford.
If cost is an issue, maybe we could consider some sort of a summer work-schooling program to help the kids pay it off. They could be assigned jobs of some sort starting as soon as the first grade, which would let them get appreciation for the workforce as well.
tobihanshi@reddit
Everyone is arguing about public vs homeschooling...
But were any of you taught taxes in Middle l? Highschool?
Paccuardi03@reddit
Yea but it was an elective
chainsawx72@reddit
Normal Person: It's wild how high this tax is.
Reddit: LOL this person doesn't understand how taxes work!
KochamPolsceRazDwa@reddit
Ironic since this post is on Reddit but I'm guessing ur talking about the leftard part of it.
b3n5p34km4n@reddit
Yeah, he’s talking about the 99% of Reddit you might call Leftard. The type of redditor who is proud to pay as much tax as possible
TakeTT2@reddit
Not sure if they're broke and bitter at people doing better financially or if they genuinely believe their ideal utopia can be accomplished by funding an already bloated government
septuss@reddit
It's the former. When Obama was asked if he was going to raise taxes on the rich even if it leads to a reduction in tax revenues, he said yes because it would be more fair. This single sentence sums up the entire ideology of the progressive left, pure envy and pettiness.
bobbybouchier@reddit
Still can’t believe that was his actual answer
b3n5p34km4n@reddit
More like they think taking a tax break is morally reprehensible
Lil_Ja_@reddit
Proud to make others pay as much tax as possible*
Checks_Out___@reddit
Yeah, I was this on "murdered by words". They thought the comeback was so clever
Conspiratorrery@reddit
School taxable "value"
deathnutz@reddit
BuT pUbLiC sChOoL iS fReE?!
jkfrodo@reddit
Anyone know of any countries without public education that they would actually want to live in?
McCoolium@reddit
I am constantly in awe of how the statist thought processes works. They will demand your money, say its for a government service, provide you with a piss poor service, and act like you are the idiot for declining the service and asking for your money back.
Friedman nailed it. When you have kids in school, you should get a "voucher" for the value of the funding your child would receive from going to public school. You can then use that funding towards whatever education you want for your child. This creates an incentive for public schools to not be trash and allows private schools to have access to kids who otherwise wouldn't have been able to afford their services. Easy as piss.
Try explaining that to a statist, and they will unironically call you an alt right nazi and a conspiracy theorist.
stray_leaf89@reddit
I like vouchers but it still isn't as good as abolishing the dept of education. Your dollars are still being forced to go to education and will drive up costs just like any tax credit does.
McCoolium@reddit
This is something i dont agree with. Im happy to accept that i may be wrong, but i think raising the floor for all children is worth the inefficiency.
In my mind, it's better for a child to have access to sub-par schooling rather than no schooling at all. It's an "ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" argument to me.
I will happily pay taxes to guarantee that low income kids or kids from familys that are indifferent to their success have at least a shot at bettering themselves. I think society as a whole (and therefore me individually) benefits from this.
cpltack@reddit
Competition between schools to be 1) Better, 2) More efficient, 3) Competitive between their neighboring school districts, 4) Offering better services/curriculum/programs to recruit and retain students?
That could never work. We all know that public schools need to have as little oversight as possible and to do what they want with the open checkbook we give them. They know what's best for us and our kids. We can't have competition in value that forces them to be fiscally and operationally responsible!
Sledgecrowbar@reddit
I'm honestly surprised this isn't everywhere, but it should be everywhere if it isn't; that you do get a tax credit if you homeschool exactly because so much of your taxes go toward education. This would be like paying for any other municipal service, like garbage pickup, emergency services, etc., when you do not receive any of these services.
Oh, statists will argue that you're just paying your fair share of what benefits society as a whole, but if a parent does the same work as the entire public school system, should they really have to pay almost, and in some states way over, ten grand for doing the work themselves?
I grew up in a state with a higher cost of living, and went to a private high school, and my parents got a tax credit for that because I wasn't using the public school system. Back then private school was a tiny fraction of what it costs now, and it was still a lot, and it would have been almost impossible if they had to pay for it and a seat in public school that I wasn't using.
Cafen8ed@reddit
I found it weird that our homeschool curriculum was not tax deductible either (Texas)
Critical-Syrup5619@reddit
$8,000??? Wtf
somerville99@reddit
I was over 8K in nJ before I left.
LostInMyADD@reddit
I mean, I'm paying close to 6000... with no kids in school. Fuck that shit.
ronpaulclone@reddit
I have a $275000 house in a small town in Ohio and my property taxes are $5,200.
Due-Appointment-2402@reddit
Yea! Where are you living!?
TheSov@reddit
before i left chicago my property tax went up to 19,500. I lived in a tiny suburb called northfield.
Due-Appointment-2402@reddit
Wow! Thats a whole other home mortgage right there!
BO1ANT@reddit
Well Northfield is a really nice part of chicago land. 1 bed 1 bath condos are worth like 350k there. And houses start at like half a million but most of them are $1 million-$3 million
TheSov@reddit
i bought that house for 300k it wasnt no half million.
thelanoyo@reddit
They're in NY state somewhere because the STAR program mentioned there is new York.
maubis@reddit
I’d love $8K. We are at $17K for our town, 70% of which goes to schools and the rest to police, fire, parks and roads, and town admin. New England.
MattyRixz@reddit
Just my city sewer was 3k in an expensive town in CT.
boo_boo_kitty_fuckk@reddit
About the same here on Long Island
txeagle24@reddit
I'd love $8k! Ours are $12k in north of Dallas, and that's down from $14k before the homestead exemption was increased from $40k to $100k.
conipto@reddit
Where is this? I've never seen a school tax bill in my life. Is it not just taken from the income/property taxes?
helloyesthisisgod@reddit
In NYS there are "school districts" which are its own form of government. Typically school taxes wind up being about 10-20x your local government taxes. It's legit keeping my family from affording a home, and we're making $200K+ a year.
conipto@reddit
How's that factor into the total tax rate there?
helloyesthisisgod@reddit
This is a random single family residential address from my town.
conipto@reddit
That's insane. That's double what I pay in California on a 650k home.
helloyesthisisgod@reddit
Yep. Unfortunately I'm married to my job here for at least 10 years, so I need to stay.
jcutta@reddit
Same, our tax bill shows the line items but it's not a separate bill in itself.
Norseman103@reddit
Ours are broken down so you know what each entity is taking.
Dollar_Bills@reddit
Luckily I'd have to be making $800k/year to pay that insane amount of school taxes
Viend@reddit
This is probably related to property taxes rather than income. So yeah if you own an expensive house you gotta pay to play in the neighborhood.
Dollar_Bills@reddit
My school district does an income tax, property taxes go to roads, police, fire, etc
Viend@reddit
Interesting, so it’s tied to your address but uses your income? Which state do you live in? I’ve only paid it in Texas where it’s tied to property valuation, but property valuation in itself inversely tied to wealth so it’s extra dumb.
Dollar_Bills@reddit
Yeah 1% income to school district. No city or village income taxes otherwise
future_pirate@reddit
I'm a single childless homebody who lives within 2 miles of work, do I even want to know how much money I pay for public services I don't use or benefit from?
iamajeepbeepbeep@reddit
I love that people automatically assume that the government is just there to help you with every step of your life from cradle to dirt nap.
jmd_forest@reddit
People love getting free stuff. As long as they think other people are paying the taxes for it, people will continue to support big government programs.
irishrelief@reddit
A government that robs Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.
joelfarris@reddit
And the hatred of Peter! Unless, he can be kept convinced that he's not being robbed, because it's for a good cause...
Critical-Bot@reddit
Lol $8,000 per year.. I wish.
revengeofbob@reddit
Yea I would really like the full context on this. An $8k property tax bill on an 800k house: Not bad at all. An $8k property tax on a $200k house: Pretty steep.
Which state is this in? One with low income tax? If so then this is peanuts. So much left out of this ragebait post.
SykoFI-RE@reddit
This also looks like its only their school tax bill. My school taxes are my highest property tax, but only about half of my property taxes.
cpltack@reddit
Our municipality functions on 1500/yr from my house in taxes. That's police, fire, public works, & Park district combined. Our schools make up almost all of the rest. (Minus the library district, the community college, the pension funds, the forest preserve district, the county government, and the other various 6700 layers of government in IL (I think we only have 13 where I live that all have their own taxing authority not affected by others)
cpltack@reddit
We pay 4.2% of our home's assessed value in taxes every year. Of that, 80% goes to our grade school and high school districts.
I pay almost 13k and I paid 210k for my house 6 yrs ago that magically is worth 295k today. We had a 15% assessed "value" increase this year, and 22% last year.
It's getting ridiculous.
Viend@reddit
Why are y’all complaining about this? School tax funding is about the most localized form of government tax possible, it’s barely a step above an HOA. I thought the whole point of small government is you could move if you didn’t like it, and school taxes don’t even require you to move to a different city, just a different neighborhood.
If you wanna live in a neighborhood with good schools, then you gotta pay. If you don’t, there are plenty of nice neighborhoods with shitty school districts out there. There’s even a bonus, you don’t need to compete against the parents when it comes to pricing.
Siglet84@reddit
Now imagine not having kids while some section 8 lady has 4 and doesn’t pay a dime in taxes.
BajaBlastFromThePast@reddit
Funding public education is a net benefit for everyone even if you don’t have kids.
Siglet84@reddit
That’s highly debatable. It’s incredibly had to build if there isn’t a solid foundation at home.
BajaBlastFromThePast@reddit
That’s true
SavageFractalGarden@reddit
Kinda wild how my taxes fund the school system when I’ve been out of school for 4 years and never plan on going back
Pedromac@reddit
Yeah that's the neat part of being in a society where the people before you built the school you attended when they weren't going there.
supersecretsquirel@reddit
Public schools are doo doo. Teacher salaries are horrible, student to teacher ratio doesn’t help, teachers are paying out of pocket to supply their classrooms sometimes (honestly more than once is too much). But yes I’m so glad people in our society are forced to pay for this shit deal… like the people before us haha
Advocating for taxes? Are you in the right place or has this place just become more mind numbingly demorats?
Pedromac@reddit
I'm not advocating for taxes, I'm just saying public schools are completely reasonable.
SavageFractalGarden@reddit
If I had a choice, I would have dropped out and started working full time at 15.
Hot_Introduction7167@reddit
How do you make it through the day?
subfreq111@reddit
*Built with the money our parents paid because they made the choice to have a child and are the rightful bearers of the expenses for that child.
dovakin422@reddit
Who else do you expect to pay for hiring all the ESL teachers to teach the kids who don’t speak English?
ProgRockin@reddit
Oh I didn't realize we had an official language here.
dovakin422@reddit
You know that’s not the point. Let’s not be disingenuous here.
ProgRockin@reddit
The point is you're complaining about people not speaking YOUR language. If you want to be against publicly funded schools at least make a valid argument against them.
dovakin422@reddit
No, I’m complaining about the hundreds of children of illegal immigrants flooding school districts, like my own, forcing them to spend millions of dollars on new schools and hundreds of ESL teachers while the quality of the education for the legal residents of this city plummets and homeowners foot the bill.
yvonnalynn@reddit
Yup! Every year except I’ve never had any kids.
More-Drink2176@reddit
As if they would explain how public school is funded by the taxpayers at school. You might actually make some young libertarians that way.
BajaBlastFromThePast@reddit
As if? Are you saying they don’t teach this in school?
Idk where you went but not explaining the tax system seems pretty ludicrous to me. We even had required government/economics classes.
More-Drink2176@reddit
Omaha Public Schools, I went to a high school that had school shootings before it was cool, because they were all gang related no one cares. Still happens there every few years. Economics yes, but it wasn't required, government yes, I think it was required, but it wasn't called that. Something else, and no, I don't think we ever covered the tax system.
BajaBlastFromThePast@reddit
Interesting. Well I was in school after school shootings were cool and we went over tax system in a required class. Also, I just think I’d be hard pressed to find anyone that doesn’t know that schools are funded by taxpayer money.
More-Drink2176@reddit
I mean, I do know that, but I don't believe I was taught that. I know for sure I had to figure out how the tax withholding/ refund system actually worked on my own later in life.
Wheloc@reddit
Everyone benefits from living in an educated society, even people (such as myself) who didn't have children
alloyednotemployed@reddit
I agree. Theres also various areas within NY that have a lower tax cap. Sure itd be ideal to not spend money, but imo this is why you learn more about the area before you buy a house.
This person complaining has 2 houses and they’re both in expensive school districts. I feel this is more of a failure of learning how those districts are getting taxed.
Rannelbrad@reddit
Yeah it's not like your way of life is entirely dependent on having an educated society to support it.
CaliRefugeeinTN@reddit
Damn, I get mad paying $600 a year. My mom pays 5k and has half the land I do, but she gets the “privilege” of living in California.
claybine@reddit
Go to "real" schools? You mean the ones who don't teach classes and society just expects you to understand them?
HeinousEncephalon@reddit
Not to mention comprehensive homeschool curriculums can be pricey
BlazingPalm@reddit
What area and how much is your house worth?
Allumina@reddit
I live next to a major middle school. I deal with the abhorrent morning, afternoon, and on the weekend, sports traffic, the brazen street parking (when there’s plenty of parking at the school) and the absolutely well-regarded children who don’t understand what jay walking means. My kids go to a prestigious private school. Loooooove that tax bill.