The 4060 moves into second place on the Steam survey and the 580 is no longer AMD's top card.

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InconspicuousRadish@reddit

Not a single AMD discrete GPU in the top 20 is rough.

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MSZ-006_Zeta@reddit

At this rate there's going to be more handhelds with AMD gpus than desktop PCs.

(I get the impression they only keep releasing dedicated GPUs to have a foot in the door in PC gaming and actually are more interested in CPUs and APUs. At least post-Polaris or Vega)

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Flukemaster@reddit

I think you're 100% correct. GPUs are large dies and AMD can print a lot more money with their limited TSMC fabspace by dedicating the vast majority of it to Epyc/Instinct.

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If they were capable of offering a competitive product (software features inclusive) then they would likely be doing far better than they are. Nvidia alone demonstrates that massive, powerful, and feature rich silicon can make you very rich, they are even fighting Apple for most valuable company at this point.

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Vb_33@reddit

It's not that AMD is more interested in APUs over dedicated GPUs, it's that they continually fail to make a competitive enough product to get consumers to care.

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f1rstx@reddit

they dominate on reddit though, great success!

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exomachina@reddit

Proof enough that Reddit isn't the real world.

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evangelism2@reddit

proof that one guy doesnt speak for reddit. I dont see much talk of AMD gpus here either.

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inyue@reddit

Take a look on buildapc...

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noonetoldmeismelled@reddit

A lot of Nvidia cards in buildapc

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inyue@reddit

Yes and recommending amd cards for everyone 🤣

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Godwinson_@reddit

I wonder why… almost like for 99% of people, price to performance is the key.

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Strazdas1@reddit

price/performance is a metric relevant to almost nobody. The average person has a budget and wants the best for the budget he sets.

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x3nics@reddit

Usually for budget constrained builds, which makes sense in most cases.

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Edgaras1103@reddit

Are you joking

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loozerr@reddit

Go buy amd everyone! I want competition so my next Nvidia purchase is better!

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Strazdas1@reddit

I want AMD to have enough money for RnD so it could produce a product that would appeal to me.

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Morningst4r@reddit

I've owned more ATI/AMD cards than Nvidia ones historically but they've totally captured me with DLSS. I use it in every game and FSR looks absolutely terrible to me so I'd have to buy a whole tier higher to get equivalent performance. Throw RT into the equation and it's something like 4070 vs 7900 XTX.

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TheMegaDriver2@reddit

I have had amd and ATI cards on and off for over two decades now and I just can't anymore. I have ptsd from the drivers. They might be good now but I just cannot bring myself to buy anything Radeon anymore. Not a single card had drivers that were not a complete horror show.

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Hardware_Hank@reddit

yeah same here, other than my HD 4870 every other ATI card I owned was a total dumpster fire of issues. My HD 5970 couldnt run a single 3D application without crashing the drivers or flat out BSODing even after 2 RMAs, I tried a cheap GTX 460 and never had a single issue so I said screw this and went Nvidia from here on out.

You can only burn a consumer's trust so many times before he blows you off and tells all their friends to never buy it lmao.

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TheMegaDriver2@reddit

Crossfire on a single card. Yeah those were interesting...
SLI was already not great, Cossfire was a shit show. I doubt I will ever buy a AMD card foir gaming ever again. If it's in my Laptop, fine. I don't game with that thing. But a dedicated AMD GPU? I refuse. Might be fine now, butI do not care anymore.

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loozerr@reddit

Best radeon card I had was 5850. It was rock solid. Except if I tried to run anything Dx11 on it. You know, the killer feature of the entire 5000 series.

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TheMegaDriver2@reddit

At this point Amd has lost me most likely forever as a gpu customer. I just cannot do it anymore. Over two decades of giving them a shot is enough.

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SevastousatCaria@reddit

Basically this. Only good chaps I see are 500< budget builds. for esports or 1440p. myself included recommending 2nd hand RDNA.

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Olde94@reddit

“I want battle mage to rock Nviads socks!…. So my next nvidia purchase can be cheaper through competition….”

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drvgacc@reddit

Basically this, I want to buy their cards especially considering the nice dolloping of VRAM in comparison to nvidia but its just... everything else tbh is subpar from the software to the actual features and they only give a 50ish discount? ehh

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chapstickbomber@reddit

I think 1 in 10 people actually need NV only features and everyone else is just easily marketed to.

I couldn't even use DLSS on my 3090 because the tensors bottlenecked. I couldn't use RT because the fps was terrible. My Surround array using DP cables as thick as your wrist would drop 120Hz every couple weeks and I had to perform a goddamn summoning ritual to get it back. My 3090 didn't support 240Hz on my G9, and neither does the 4090.

I paid much less for my XTX which runs 50% faster, supports DP 2.1, and has none of these problems besides RT, hell, light RT effects run better than the 3090 did.

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loozerr@reddit

I've never heard of the problems you're describing. I use DLSS a lot on my 3080 and run 1440p240 on G7.

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chapstickbomber@reddit

I was running 3x4k120 in portrait, over 3x the pixelrate of 1440p240, I couldn't hit 100fps even with DLSS ultra performance, but FSR scaled fine, ironically.

https://static.tweaktown.com/content/9/7/9799_801_call-of-duty-warzone-dlss-benchmarked-8k-60fps-on-geforce-rtx-3090.png you can see Tweaktown getting stuck at 60fps even though the game is running 1440p internal res, which natively runs like 140fps. 4090 cheeses a fix by simply not supporting DP 2.1 resolutions that could bottleneck the tensors, and it is fast enough that DLSS scales for any resolution the 4090 can actually output.

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Pyrogenic_@reddit

How about you go buy one? If you wanna get that, then "do your part."

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loozerr@reddit

No

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Rylock@reddit

Loozerr

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loozerr@reddit

Yes?

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chx_@reddit

I got a 7900 XT because I wanted to do 4K and this was the cheapest card with at least 16GB VRAM

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handymanshandle@reddit

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen more RTX 4090 builds here on Reddit than anything RDNA 3.

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Sipas@reddit

For good reason. 4090 probably sold more than all RDNA3 cards combined. Steam HW has it at 1.2%, which is an insane number for such an expensive card.

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Strazdas1@reddit

the 4080, the worst selling Nvidia card, has sold more than entire RDNA3 combined if we assume all RDNA3 cards are just barely bellow treshold on survey and not far bellow it as is more realistic for most.

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panckage@reddit

Maybe not if you consider all the btc mined in the previous generation. I bet a large number of gamers purchased the 4090 with proceeds from that

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f1rstx@reddit

check out r/buildapc - everyone there feels like AMD bot

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SagittaryX@reddit

As someone who browses new and posts a lot there, not really. At least not in any non-sensical situations, very few there are going to recommend 3060/4060s when AMD has better options available in that price range, even though in the overall market more people are buying 3060/4060s. But when you get up to the 4070 level, lots of people will be recommending Nvidia.

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Appropriate_Name4520@reddit

Until you can use an equal alternative to DLSS/DLAA in every game amd gpu will never be recommendable for the average user. I think that's just the reality of game engines and TAA even if a lot of people don't want to hear it.

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SagittaryX@reddit

It depends on the match up. When the 4060 Ti and 7700XT are the same price, the 7700 XT is the best choice in almost all cases by far imo.

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Appropriate_Name4520@reddit

Nah on 1080p you'll probably want to use dldsr + dlss that makes the best picture possible on such a screen. I do still have a decent 1080p tv and monitor

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coatimundislover@reddit

Nobody playing on 1080p cares about best possible image. You can buy a 1440p monitor for like $100 at this point.

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Appropriate_Name4520@reddit

1440p is the pointless mid step that for some reason became a thing on PC. I wouldn't bother with it, native Resolution ain't worth anything these days anyway and all the upscaling methods lwork better with higher starting resolutions.

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coatimundislover@reddit

As someone who only buys 4K, I completely disagree. The performance requirement and cost for a monitor between each jump is roughly the same, but the quality jump between 1080p and 1440p is at least double that of 1440p to 4k for 27 inch. That makes 1440p a much better choice for anyone on a budget (most gamers).

Upscaling doesn’t fix the problem. Upscaling to 4k at good quality with high settings and framerate takes an expensive GPU.

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SagittaryX@reddit

dldsr

Maybe, but that's not the average user. Amount of people that use DLDSR is rather low, at least from the impression I get.

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ParthProLegend@reddit

Because they have incredible CPUs. And an incredible price to performance ratio. Though I hate that they don't release under $100 APUs anymore. Something like Ryzen 9100 or 9300 would have been better than 12100 as a (CPU+iGPU combo) APU.

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UGH-ThatsAJackdaw@reddit

Yeah, but like, "readers" and "posters" are often totally different groups. In most subreddits there are known posters, no matter how many millions of readers and commenters there are.

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OliveBranchMLP@reddit

ok but i doubt anyone would be saying they "dominate" if they're not the ones consistently making their voices heard

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zofran_junkie@reddit

This shit again? Every time steam stats are posted, some of you goobers conveniently ignore how the majority of steam users have prebuilt computers, and prebuilts use Nvidia GPUs almost exclusively.

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soggybiscuit93@reddit

A sale is a sale is a sale.

Doesnt matter. AMD dGPU market share has been collapsing over the last few years.

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zofran_junkie@reddit

The last few years? It’s been more than a decade of garbage at this point. AMD hasn’t been truly competitive since the Radeon HD 7970.

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dorofeus247@reddit

RX 7000 series is way better in price per performance than anything current gen Nvidia has to offer.

RX7700XT is a very good midrange card, RX 7800XT and 7900GRE dominate in mid-high range, and 7900XT and 7900XTX are better than the cards Nvidia has to offer in the high-end range. Not to mention the Linux Gaming stuff, which can be complicated with Nvidia, but is simple plug-n-play with AMD cards

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soggybiscuit93@reddit

The price-to-raster-performance has been completely disregarded by the market. Less features and similar raster performance in games for $50 - $100 less may be the strategy, but the sales figures are clear that that strategy is failing.

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ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit

Those features outside of reddit are taken as performance. As they well should be.

Having better RT is having higher performance when you factor image quality improvement of RT. In other words, RT performance is just performance

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chapstickbomber@reddit

Gamers WANT to upscale from 720p30, soggy

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soggybiscuit93@reddit

If only there was something inbetween native and your hyperbole

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chapstickbomber@reddit

gamers love upscaling from low pixelrates

they think it looks better

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mcslender97@reddit

Rather that than TAA

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chapstickbomber@reddit

Fuck TAA

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James20k@reddit

I don't know that that's the issue though, AMD has a severe reputation image that they've never really helped themselves with. If you ask people about AMD, their first response is always "aren't their drivers kind of buggy?"

The thing is, they're always behind in software features, always playing catch up for day 1 driver releases, and had really very bad drivers for years and years. They're better now, but I wouldn't describe them as good compared to nvidia's, and they still pretty frequently release bad drivers. Nvidia drivers don't see anything like the instability that AMD drivers do

This is alongside just absolutely refusing to invest in the software ecosystem, leaving their OpenCL support as 3rd class behind nvidia and even intel (!), and never investing in maintaining or implementing gpgpu support on AMD for mainstream software. They're sort of playing catchup now with ROCm, but ROCm is not very good either

Its nothing to do with the quality of the hardware at all in my opinion, and everything to do with their bizarre software development strategy

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cstar1996@reddit

People don’t buy by fps per dollar, they buy the best card that’s in their budget

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jasmansky@reddit

I seem to recall that the R9 290/290X was competitive at the time. RDNA 2 as well, in terms of raster.

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cheesecaker000@reddit

That was the last AMD GPU I owned after buying their cards exclusively for years at that point.

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zofran_junkie@reddit

I also never bought another AMD GPU after the 7970 because I like buying the top GPU every few years.

The 7970 was crazy strong when it came out. It was an enormous upgrade from my 5870. Upgrading my 1080 Ti to a 4090 felt similar.

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HubbaMaBubba@reddit

AMD makes more money when they sell a CPU than a GPU. They have no incentive to actually compete by being the cheaper option to Nvidia.

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Morningst4r@reddit

VW makes more money selling Lambos than Golfs, but no one suggests they shouldn't compete in the mainstream car market.

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HubbaMaBubba@reddit

AMD is limited by TSMC's output. If VW could only make 1000 cars a year they would not be selling Golfs.

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9897969594938281@reddit

Stop crying

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zofran_junkie@reddit

Huh

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Darkomax@reddit

And?

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zofran_junkie@reddit

And what?

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Darkomax@reddit

A GPU is a GPU, it doesn't care if it is in a prebuilt or a custom PC.

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zofran_junkie@reddit

Obviously. Why are you telling me this?

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Darkomax@reddit

My bad, I misinterpreted your post.

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zofran_junkie@reddit

Yeah I just meant to say that Reddit isn’t representative of real life, but something about my wording was confusing to people.

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Pokey_Seagulls@reddit

What does that matter?

If you have an Nvidia GPU then you have an Nvidia GPU. It doesn't matter where you got it from or how.

Like seriously, what are you arguing for or against here? What are you trying to say? Because whatever it is, I don't get it.

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zofran_junkie@reddit

If you have an Nvidia GPU then you have an Nvidia GPU. It doesn't matter where you got it from or how.

Yes, that is how ownership works.

Like seriously, what are you arguing for or against here? What are you trying to say? Because whatever it is, I don't get it.

Why do you think I'm arguing for or against anything? This is the hardware subreddit, not a sports subreddit.

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evangelism2@reddit

Ah someone already asked what you meant by your post here.

Why do you think I'm arguing for or against anything? This is the hardware subreddit, not a sports subreddit.

ah so you are just pointlessly shouting non sequiturs into the void, bad on us assuming you were trying to say something worth reading.

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zofran_junkie@reddit

Your inability to understand my comments is not my problem. Your eagerness to find conflict where there is none is concerning for you though.

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evangelism2@reddit

Explain yourself or move on. Being cryptic doesnt make you look smart, it makes you look like an ass

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zofran_junkie@reddit

There’s nothing cryptic. If you can’t understand it, move on.

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evangelism2@reddit

Its obviously cryptic seeing as you had multiple question you and a dozen at least downvote you. But you keep miscommunicating it will get you far. I'm turning off replies now as this is pointless

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zofran_junkie@reddit

My original comment means “Reddit does not represent real life.” Plenty of people understood it just fine.

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Caffdy@reddit

are these goobers with prebuilts in the room with us right now?

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zofran_junkie@reddit

If you can point out where I called people with prebuilts goobers, then possibly.

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evangelism2@reddit

Not sure how this matters.

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Dreamerlax@reddit

They might not have the mindshare of most gamers but they definitely captured the Reddit demographic.

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MSZ-006_Zeta@reddit

There's dozens of us with AMD gpus

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Aggressive_Ask89144@reddit

I've only own AMD GPUs myself lmao. My RX 580 to Nitro+ 6600xt and I'll probably be eyeing Black Friday 7900 XTs or wait for RDNA 4 lol

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mogus666@reddit

It's just extremely vocal AMD fans on Reddit more than anything. If I went off by what is shown on Reddit. AKD would have like a 90% market share in everything

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inflamesburn@reddit

4090 sold more than any amd card ever lol, that's like the 9/11 for hardware redditors

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Morningst4r@reddit

It must be all the other consumers who are wrong and brainwashed!

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ragnarok927@reddit

If the people want overpriced GPUs who are we to stop them?

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BookPlacementProblem@reddit

CPUs, yes; GPUs, not that I've noticed.

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Slapsy@reddit

This is the year of the AMD Desktop (GPU)!

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bAaDwRiTiNg@reddit

And the youtube comment section.

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zippopwnage@reddit

Sadly because the competition even if slightly more expensive is simply better. I'm still on 1070 and I love AMD for having FSR available to us, but I know my next GPU is gonna be a 4070TI Super because the other option from AMD is just around 50 euro cheaper. They really need to undercut the market, and sell on a loss if they wanna capture the market again. So far Nvidia tech was simply better.

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Proof-Most9321@reddit

At least wait for rdna 4, the rumors are saying the 8800xt will be a 4070tisuper rt performance and 4080 raster for 500-650 $. lets hope so.

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TheGillos@reddit

But then there will be a 5070 lol. If you want to upgrade just do it. You can always sell and upgrade later.

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Proof-Most9321@reddit

If you're expecting a 5070 at that performance and price range, you haven't seen Nvidia's releases since the 2000 series.

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ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit

Lol, how much is 4070S? Exactly, it falls within your price range

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bexamous@reddit

Yeah but this store in Germany...

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danuser8@reddit

AMD had all the opportunity, but they fall over themselves when opportunity comes knocking both from GPU and CPU sides

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RHINO_Mk_II@reddit

Are you nuts? AMD CPUs are bangers for gaming.

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danuser8@reddit

I’m talking about not much performance gain from Ryzen 7000 to 9000

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mrporter2@reddit

Intel went backwards

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ThatRandomGamerYT@reddit

Both current Intel and AMD cpu gens are about setting up a future platform architecture focused on efficiency. But Intel did it by decreasing performance while AMD still gained performance in gaming (not much I know but they got way bigger gains in productivity that gamers don't care about but matters for workstations and servers, where their real margin is anyways)

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bylebog@reddit

It's okay to be wrong.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1ghcqam/concerns_grow_in_washington_over_intel/

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totallybag@reddit

Report the reddit cares message you'll get them banned

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ModsAreLaughable@reddit

No you won't.

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Selethorme@reddit

This coming from the week old troll account? Lol

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ModsAreLaughable@reddit

I don't send reddit cares messaged... That's some cringe shit. If someone wants to off themselves, sending them a message like that would only make it worse.

I got banned for saying we shouldn't have unisex bathrooms, because I don't want my young children being uncomfortable using the restroom around older men who tend not to care about their privacy and piss with their pants around their ankles,, or some pervert. They banned me from the subreddit for "trans hate" I asked through modmail what i said that had anything to do with trans people, and they said don't message us again. I said "lol" and they reported me for harassment for replying after they said not to message them again, and reddit banned me for harassment. Sounds unbelievable I know, but that's reddit today in a nutshell.

But p.s. they don't ban people for abusing the reddit cares messages. It happens 1000s of times a day. 70% of reddit is people who if they lose an argument, instantly go-to someone's profile and start making insults and derogatory comments, and think sending the reddit cares message isnsome big insult, as if anyone gives a shit to get it. The report is anonymous so anyone saying they do ban them, is lying cause they don't have a clue who sent it in the first place.

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Selethorme@reddit

the report is anonymous

Not to admin, but good job showing your whole ass.

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bylebog@reddit

Good look. Done and done

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nWhm99@reddit

AMD cpu has been recommended for years now as best in class gaming cpu, so I’m not sure where you’ve been.

In fact, 9800x3d is now king of gaming.

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Quatro_Leches@reddit

They don’t care about volume they want to get high margins by tailgating nvidia and sending most of the volume to datacenter

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CSFFlame@reddit

Their fault for the ass pricing.

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DeeJayDelicious@reddit

Yep, AMD decided they wanted similar margins to Nvidia, as opposed to winning market share.

I guess they got what they wanted.

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Earthborn92@reddit

And the 15% market share is inclusive of integrated graphics!

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mcslender97@reddit

I wonder if Steam counts mobile version cards as separate cards because AMD has almost nothing to sell this generation.

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hackenclaw@reddit

the situation is Manufactured by AMD themselves when they dont even supply enough GPU to the market. lol

I never understand this, it is like they giving up Radeon. This is far worst than GCN era. lol

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ReplacementLivid8738@reddit

Isn't it because they focus on consoles and datacenters while discrete GPUs for desktops is low margin and high effort for drivers too?

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Ok-Management6244@reddit

Steam survey is completely whackadoodle. If a gaming Cafe in China has nothing but RTX cards, every time a person logs in then the card gets counted AGAIN. So the Steam survey has nothing to do with reality.

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teutorix_aleria@reddit

True to a degree, its not a tool to accurately measure market share. But AMDs low market share is backed by actual market research from JPR among others.

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PrettyProtection8863@reddit

Where is 7800 xt? according to youtube comments this gpu is very popular

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Tom_Der@reddit

The main explanation is Steam Survey takes into account every PC including prebuilts like Laptops or "less enthusiast" PCs. Even if the 7800XT is popular in the enthusiast community that's still a really small niche that doesn't represent much in Steam surveys.

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DR_van_N0strand@reddit

Gamers really have no concept of how niche enthusiast gamers are. Same with VR.

There really aren’t a lot of people with pc’s that aren’t pre-built, let alone high end pc’s people build themselves.

Hell, there aren’t even really a lot of people with desktops anymore in a lot of places.

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Shehzman@reddit

The only reason I have a desktop is to game on. Laptops have gotten so good nowadays that a desktop doesn't make much sense unless you perform extremely intensive tasks (high res video editing, game development, gaming, etc.).

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Strazdas1@reddit

A desktop would make sense even if i quit gaming. Work alone the fact that i can have a box powering 3 monitors would be awesome. For the few times i need portability i just use my phone or borrow a laptop from work.

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shogunreaper@reddit

it only takes into account the people who actually take the survey

for instance, i just got my first survey yesterday in probably 10 years. The last time i took it i was using a 960.

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Radiant_Doughnut2112@reddit

When people will learn that pre-built are the majority of the pcs in the industry.

Outside of this niche community, several pre-built have the 4060 and they won't look at the price of the gpu as stand-alone product nor they care about it.

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Stereo-Zebra@reddit

Its popular amongst enthusiasts, not people who just ask their brother to put a pcpartpicker together or buy a prebuilt at bestbuy. Pretty much every prebuilt PC in the higher end runs 4000 cards and the only amd one Ive seen has a 6600 in it

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wooq@reddit

Most people don't build their own computers

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Fudw_The_NPC@reddit

that is the reason why AMD will never make it in the top 10 , their cards arent that available on pre built as much Nvidia , shotgun method works and Nvidia uses that method very effectively.

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NeroClaudius199907@reddit

7700xt showed up

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Flintloq@reddit

Something seems off with the October figures. In the first table (overall distribution of graphics cards), DX12 GPUs now make up 121.40% of the market, with DX8 GPUs and below making up -22.79%. As a result, almost every graphics card's usage share has increased, when you'd expect a more balanced mix of increases and decreases.

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Acrobatic-Might2611@reddit

I never trusted these surveys as it took me 7 years to get one

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Darkomax@reddit

There are over 100 millions monthly active users, what make you think you need to be selected for it to be accurate?

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Strazdas1@reddit

The current population of Steam is about 3000 users. To make the survey have at least 95% confidence level (too low for GPU numbers like these) youd need at least 17000 population size. You dont need a specific person selected, but there are legitimate statistical concerns with it.

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CompetitiveAutorun@reddit

That's a bad reason to not trust them.

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Pikamander2@reddit

Yep, something clearly went haywire here.

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BlueGoliath@reddit

Look at all these people buying 3060s and 4060s. Don't they know how affordable the 4090 is?

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COMPUTER1313@reddit

"RT is important."

Buys a 4060 8GB that would choke at even 1080p if RT is enabled

Also Steam's survey doesn't mention sub-model variants. The RTX 3060 comes in 12GB and 8GB (lower memory bandwidth) flavors.

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Mllns@reddit

Idk. Cyberpunk ran well enough with RT in my 4060

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AHrubik@reddit

I'm guessing with a healthy dose of DLSS frame gen and scaling.

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Mllns@reddit

DLSS Q. No FG. That said, in Dogtown I had to lower the RT

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Sadukar09@reddit

DLSS Q. No FG. That said, in Dogtown I had to lower the RT

Trying to up graphical fidelity with real time RT, only to ruin tons of it by upscaling to 1080p is a weird call.

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Mllns@reddit

You exaggerate the visual compromises of DLSS, The difference between DLSS Q and native are barely noticeable in my 27" monitor, and DLSS Q + RT looks much better than DLAA + No RT

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Strazdas1@reddit

Im not sure about 1080p, but on 1440p the difference between DLSS Q and Native is that you get better anti-aliasing than native. Some older DLSS models looked a bit watercolour-y.

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UGH-ThatsAJackdaw@reddit

depends on how cranked it is. With "Psycho OVERDRIVE PATH TRACING" CP77 can crush a 4090 in some spaces.

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Strazdas1@reddit

you can crank any setting to ridiculous levels that will bring down a 4090. This is just a case of game allowing you do that within menu for a very heavy setting.

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Mllns@reddit

Yeah, I have tried PT but the framerate is absolutely unplayable everywhere but the Badlands. Looks cool in pictures tho

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BarKnight@reddit (OP)

I'm betting he doesn't own one and is just repeating nonsense

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Strazdas1@reddit

I cant attest to 4060, but my 4070 runs RT just fine in 1440p

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Winter_Pepper7193@reddit

I have a 4060 8gb and I dont care about RT, in fact Ive had it for a year And I dont think ive played a game that had RT yet. I have Control installed right now and I think that game has it at least on dx12, but the day I missclicked on the icon and instead of Prey, that was the game I was playing at the time, I clicked on Control, the game asked me about what version of the game I wanted to try and I clicked on dx11, becauuuse, well I dont care about rt..... lol

btw, the different options dlss has, quality, performance blah blah blah.... yeah about those: I dont even know whats the difference between them

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Beautiful_Chest7043@reddit

You don't enable RT on 60 and 70 series cards period.

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BeefistPrime@reddit

I mean if you're gonna spend $300 on a 3060 you might as well spend $2200 on a 4090, you're almost right there.

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ImJustStealingMemes@reddit

The 3060 12gb does drop to like 230 dollars new...

So why not buy the 5090 TI Super XL FTW 3X MLG VENTUS Aero Windforce Twin Edge FE TUF for 45,799.99?

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Ohyton@reddit

Just make coffee at home

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Hailgod@reddit

BUY MORE SAVE MORE

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BeefistPrime@reddit

As long as you're going to the shop down the street to buy some milk you might as well go see the Taj Mahal while you're in there area

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Treewithatea@reddit

Its already bad enough that the 4090 is ahead of the 4080

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BeefistPrime@reddit

That is... bonkers. I know the 4080 was a bad value proposition (maybe until the super) but this would be like the old titan cards outselling the mainstream x80 card.

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Jerithil@reddit

Big thing is in the Titan cards you normally paid anywhere from 1.5x-2x price for 20% gaming performance this gen the initial price to performance was pretty much linear. Also when you are someone who will $1200 on a graphics card why not go up to $1600 which also gives you lots of benefits for none gaming as well.

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Yastiandrie@reddit

Not necessarily in all parts of the world, they both had bad value props. I got my 4080 In Aus for $1800 on a reasonable sale a couple of months after release (retail price here was around $2100 at the time), with 4090's starting around $3100 mark. Would of loved a 4090 but couldn't justify spending an extra $1k of more to get one.

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Justhe3guy@reddit

The price increase in Aus each generation is crazy

I got my 3080 for $1200

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tukatu0@reddit

To me the important part is that it has 70% more hardware but only a 25% avg improvement

It's not so bad if you just call a 4090 a 4080 anyways. And a 4060 a 4050. See you next year with the same cards but this time with a 5

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jaegren@reddit

The more you buy, the more you save!

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feartehsquirtle@reddit

The more you buy the more you save

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BlueGoliath@reddit

Mostly a dig at stupid people on /r/Nvidia but sure that too.

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Bingus_III@reddit

Buy two for even more cost savings.

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Majortom_67@reddit

The so much hated 4060... 🤔🤔🤔

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wooq@reddit

The card is good, people don't like the price.

Though I think a lot of people also don't realize the amount of inflation we've had since the 3060 came out. They're priced about the same, 4060 might even be cheaper adjusted for inflation.

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ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit

4060 launched outright cheaper MSRP than 3060. People don't like it because leaker exposed how 4060 launched $50 cheaper. (By being on AD107)

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Conch-Republic@reddit

'Most popular' doesn't mean best. Tons of people have them because they come in entry level pre-builts.

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Majortom_67@reddit

And "most hated" is not "the worst".

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PMARC14@reddit

Well I haven't seen anyone call the 4060 a terrible card, just it started and has a terrible price.

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Kryohi@reddit

It's also a negligible improvement over the 3060 and has less VRAM. The only real advantage is efficiency (DLSS FG doesn't count since now you can use FS3). And more VRAM if you consider the laptop variant.

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PMARC14@reddit

Yeah the 4060 desktop is nowhere near as good value as the 3060 desktop, but the 4060 laptop is pretty solid vs. 3060 laptop at the cost of every other laptop card in the 40 series being terrible value.

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Raikaru@reddit

how is the 4080/4090 terrible value?

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PMARC14@reddit

The laptop versions? I was only talking about laptop variants being extra bad value this gen

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Raikaru@reddit

Yes that’s what i’m asking

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DistantRavioli@reddit

And nearly even gaming laptop line

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f1rstx@reddit

its actually great, efficient and cold card. And amazing low-profile option for SFF builds. Just priced a bit high.

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Majortom_67@reddit

Is what I always say. I had 2. Still have one running X-Plane 12.

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SJGucky@reddit

Surprising is the still huge increase of 0,26% for the 4090, since it is already EOL...

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tukatu0@reddit

It's a mix of scammers who think they can probably make money off generated content. And... Well idk maybe that is it. Rich folk will sell it come decmebrr and upgrade. Or some kind of lease deal with bestbuy

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averysadlawyer@reddit

4090 is the only viable card for 4k/144 builds.

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Decent-Reach-9831@reddit

4090 is the only viable card for 4k/144 builds.

7900xtx and 4080 are viable too

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averysadlawyer@reddit

I don’t really consider AMD cards due to their lack of support for non-gaming workloads and mediocre first party solutions (FSR, drivers in general) vis a vis Nvidia and prior bad experiences I’ve had with quite literally every single AMD product I’ve ever purchased.

4080 is a good option as long as you don’t get bottlenecked by VRAM. I don’t know that 16gb is particularly future proof (or even enough right now) though.

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Decent-Reach-9831@reddit

bad experiences I’ve had with quite literally every single AMD product I’ve ever purchased.

That's a you problem, not an AMD problem

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averysadlawyer@reddit

When every product I’ve purchased that has their branding behind it is either an outright lemon, underperforms, has severe driver issues or mechanically fails within a short period of time that is absolutely an issue for the company.

I’ve given them every opportunity, I have absolutely no reason to waste more money bothering with them when Nvidia offers a better product.

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tukatu0@reddit

Massive misconception (since online people only look at the benchmarks for the past 5 latest games) but im not gonna bother to correct.

By the time a 4090 is the only viable 4k card. You aren't going to be crossing 90fps.

If you can get 4k 144hz natively on a 4090. A 4070ti and 7900xt isn't that far off either

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averysadlawyer@reddit

Take your condescending nonsense elsewhere. I'm not going off of random benchmarks, I have and use one daily on a 4k/144 setup, and upgraded after my 3090ti wasn't able to cut it.

The 4070ti being 'not that far off' is akin to saying a model t isn't 'that far off' a ferrari.

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tukatu0@reddit

Yeah and how many games did your 3090ti "not cut it"?

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Keulapaska@reddit

Every gpu apart from 1, including the other gpu category, is up % so and whole survey is kinda bugged as if you look at other settings the highest option goes to 121% isntead of 100% or lower.

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Voodoo2-SLi@reddit

The Steam Hardware Survey contains a massive bug for October 2024. The number of all DX12 cards is given as 121.40%, which is of course impossible. All of these graphics cards were overcounted by an average of 30%; this statistic is currently not valid. Source

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Flynny123@reddit

Checks out - 6600 is defs the ‘good enough’ successor to the 580 (or maybe the 570…) and still a great entry level buy.

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bylebog@reddit

The 580 wasn't entry level. 256 bus is high end. 6600 is obviously better, but that's more about being generations newer. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-580.c2938

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-6600.c3696

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dparks1234@reddit

The RX 470 launched with a 256bit bus for $180 back in 2016

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bylebog@reddit

Yeah. They're fuckin ya

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Azzcrakbandit@reddit

Where'd you go?

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Azzcrakbandit@reddit

256 bus is currently closer to high-end. It didn't use to be. The rx 480/580 was ~$200-240 at launch.

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aitorbk@reddit

530 was the entry level gpu..

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Flynny123@reddit

Am aware! But 580 spent a long time as best $200 option (often lower) and 6600 has taken over that niche.

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dparks1234@reddit

The 3060 12GB will be an interesting card to check back on in the future. The price to performance sucked at launch, but in a world where 8GB is starting to straddle the line it could very well age gracefully.

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danuser8@reddit

Isn’t 4060 bus width less than 3060 so they both perform similar?

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durantant@reddit

No, when not VRAM limited the 4060 will be around 15%/20% better

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dparks1234@reddit

Frame Gen on the 4060 is hampered a lot by the 8GB of VRAM. It can take 500mb-1GB of extra VRAM at 1080p, which is enough to push a lot of modern games over the 8GB limit.

The 12GB 3060 could very well age better.

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ProfessionalPrincipa@reddit

not to mention DLSS 3 FG, which gives a better image quality compared to the FSR3 alternative for the 30 series

Frame generation requires VRAM to run, even on 8GB cards like the 4060, but people like to pretend otherwise.

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Sluipslaper@reddit

I was a peasant 1060 3gb enjoyer once, its still in my media pc, its a monster compared to the 750ti I had. Its all about perspektief

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System0verlord@reddit

perspektief

This reads like a commie villain in a movie talking to the American spy hero as he leaves him to die with the bomb that’s about to go off.

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Sluipslaper@reddit

Yes comrade, we do not need capitalism gpu we share compute power from older generation

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tukatu0@reddit

Not relevant. You would have been fine running games atleast 2 years after. Not with this thing. Where most games are taking up 6gb even at low. Slot in a gb for frame gen and another 300mb for dlss. Theres no headroom. The successor generation hasnt even come out yet. The real shifting your perspective is the fact it's a 4050. Then you can actually accept that it makes sense you will be playing games with texture off in the distance missing

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Winter_Pepper7193@reddit

my guess is, because this is entirely a guess, it probably entirely depends on the game you are playing, exactly the same as when people talk about bottlenecks with this cpu + that gpu combo. no matter what people say, it always depends on the games you are playing, maybe you wont notice it at all or maybe you will

so my guess is rt and how it performs on that card depends on the game and how its implemented, some games will be fine some wont

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Massive_Parsley_5000@reddit

Yep, and this is why monopolies are bad, folks.

Consumers turn around and yell at game devs for not optimizing for NVs garbage product, which puts downwards pressure on devs not to make more demanding games that take advantage of more advanced technology. Market stagnates, etc, etc.

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NeroClaudius199907@reddit

Devs target consoles first

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RedTuesdayMusic@reddit

The consoles have more powerful GPUs than the average GPU on PC. (6700 non-XT 10GB (that can use a portion of the system memory for up to 14GB)) compared to Nvidia 3060

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NeroClaudius199907@reddit

You're correct, but my point is if entry become faster than consoles than consoles will become the bottleneck. Graphics wont really improve that much as people expect.

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tukatu0@reddit

Graphics might not improve. But performance is still more performance. Consoles are running things at 1440p 30fps often. So if it's cheaper pc wise to get the same thing but 1440p 60/90fps. Alot would be happy.

A ps5 pro being a 3070ti means something similar will happen soon. If we dont get a 5060 that is 10% better than a 4060 anyways. It just doesn't feel so good that it costs near double the money the same situation with the ps4 pro and gtx 1060 did. That wasn't long ago. $800 for a full f"""" playstation Sigh. Money talks though so we will see.

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NeroClaudius199907@reddit

Most 60 class buyers are still on 1080p, well most people are still on 1080p tbh. Intel & amd have opportunity to get entry from nvidia but sadly mindshare/oems is with Nvidia. Nvidia isn't incentivized to give more vram yet. I expect 5060 8gb

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tukatu0@reddit

I used to think so to. But honestly. The steam survery indicates like 30% (im pulling it out of my "ss memories. But its no less than 20%) are below 1080p resolutions. If we take out most people like half of which only play free to play games. Quite frankly i wouldn't be suprised if more than 50% of people playing aaa titles use 1440p.

Even if half of aaa players are still on 1080p. 1440p 180hz displays are $150 now. The rtx 4060 being $300 mean most are spending $800 on their pcs. Prebuilts at $900-1000. At that point, they should seriously consider upgrading their display. Their 5 plus year old 1080p 144hz likely isn't even 144hz compliant. Most pre 2021 monitors have like a 10ms full response time. Meaning your display is showing 100hz with the detail that the extra frames provide in the wrong place of the screen.

It's why some 360hz tn panels have the same "clarity" as 240hz oled. In fact now that i think about it. I wonder if thats why pc players hate 30fps. Because their monitor is actually showing 20-25fps..... Wow it never crossed my mind.

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tukatu0@reddit

Series S comes with 10gb. Often runs games at 720p. So if you want 8gb. Better accept 720p or less

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tukatu0@reddit

10 for the series S. That thing is a scam if playing online requires $120 a year

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Raikaru@reddit

That’s not even how you would compares those? You would check what percentage of GPUs are more powerful than console GPUs. Not just check the top percent GPU

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Top3879@reddit

plus 100% for DLSS3

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countAbsurdity@reddit

RX 6600 is the the first true successor to the 580 in the sense that everything else AMD released in that price segment in between those two cards sucked and made no sense to buy.

I'd say I feel bad for their state but I don't, RTG dropped the ball hard the last few years.

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dparks1234@reddit

The RX 480, RX 580, RX 5500 XT and RX 6500 XT all basically performed the same and launched at the same price. $200 in 2022 got you the same performance as $200 in 2016 basically.

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Edkindernyc@reddit

If you look the percentages by the series, at same price tier(60,70,80 or Ti variant), The 70 series(4070 and Super) comes out ahead of the 4060 at 4.51%. The Ti 2.17% and the 80 series is 1.73%. The Turing 60 series is 5.86%.

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SevastousatCaria@reddit

I'm happy that 6600 is getting its sunshine. the True 200 below AAA gaming hardware after years of drought. but with new cards 6600 and 5700xt's times are slowly coming to the end.

60 series always sell well because of almost more than 2/3rd of sales are prebuilts. And AMD wont bankroll TSMC just to get low margin OEM sales on TOP of Console/handheld business. Its better to use those wafers for EPYC/MI300 chips with Enterprise customers and big margins

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AgitatedShrimp@reddit

In many markets outside the west the 4060 is pretty much the only affordable and available new card. And if you take a cursory look at your nearby prebuilt market, you might see that it's dominated by NV GPU's. Heck the closest electronics store to me has more 3050 machines than all AMD combined.

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Jerithil@reddit

Even in the West go into a store and you will see shelves with lots of variety of nvidia prebuilts but you may not see any AMD ones in stock or they might be online or order only.

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Berntam@reddit

Yep, in my country (Indonesia) the cheapest brand new RTX 4060 is 280 USD and the AMD comparable card, the RX 7600 is 275 USD. Forgoing better feature sets like DLSS for 5 USD is simply not smart.

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Jonnyc9918@reddit

Maybe I'm blind but crazy I don't see the 7800xt on there. I even see the 7900xtx on there. I thought the 7800xt was a good value mid/ upper mid range card at the time I bought it. The Nvidia card closest in price at the time was the regular 4070. It just didn't seem as good. It cost more and got worse fps without dlss and frame gen stuff.

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MSZ-006_Zeta@reddit

Same. 7900 XT seemed too expensive, and 7700 XT was worse value at launch.

7800 XT feels like the sweet spot, a modern equivalent to the GTX 1070 or R9 290.

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MeelyMee@reddit

Very similar cards

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Conch-Republic@reddit

The XFX one is on Amazon, on sale and in stock, for $140.