I don't give a shit about "artists" getting replaced by AI. Just like they don't give a shit about retail or factory workers getting canned.
Also, I'm pretty sure actual artists are not even bothered. Doubt oil painting or sculpting is going anywhere. Just the shitty digital "art" 90% of which is furry porn anyway so nothing of value will be lost.
So to you digital art doesn't count as art? Should we just stagnate in our methods? If everyone thought like you we'd still be throwing colored powder at cavern rocks.
Who said artists don't care about other people being replaced by ai? Are you the fucking lorax of the artists to be speaking for them? If we don't put a stop to ai art right now don't you think eventually even sculpting will be lost? We already have 3d machines, so i'd say its a matter of time.
Also where do you think the AI itself got the references for the art it "creates" from? Lets not pretend this isn't an issue just because the people affected draw animals fucking for a living, this shit will come for all of us eventually if it isn't regulated.
So to you AI art doesn't count as art? Should we just stagnate in our methods? If everyone thought like you we'd still be throwing colored powder at cavern rocks.
Yes AI art doesn't count because it's not made by humans, therefore it is not art, because it does not express anything, or use any method or make any conscious choice. Are you an actual troglodyte?
Who says art can only be made by humans? I still give the prompts to AI models to generate art, so I'm the creative here, all that's different than you and me is you wasted 10 years fiddling with your hands on a tablet
Note that I'm not advocating for AI to go away entirely. I've seen people make ethical and really good stuff with the technology, like Corridor Digital's "Anime Rock Paper Scissors", or Steve Mould's set of puzzles and optical illusions.
As such, I do think AI generated pictures count as art, but it's a problem when many AI sites explicitly encourage stealing other peoples' digital art. There's plenty of advice on prompt engineering which says to include "Created by [some talented artist]" to get better results.
Also, you say that 90% of digital art is shit. Sure, let's assume that's true. There's still 10% of digital art which is good, and created by talented people. Are you really just going to sweep these people under the rug with the rest of them? What do you think is going to happen if we just let AI take over everything, and eventually it runs out of source material to steal from?
i'm an artist but i don't care because i have talent and will keep getting commissions. all of these devianart amateurs selling furry porn can keep coping and seething.
So to you AI art doesn't count as art? Should we just stagnate in our methods? If everyone thought like you we'd still be throwing colored powder at cavern rocks.
Exactly. If AI art is generic slop (and I'll give the anti AI art crowd this: it absolutely is), the only artists who need to worry about getting replaced by it are those who make generic slop.
Nobody claimed this is "good" for artist, the implied claim clearly is that this is good for the consumer, since now consumers can make their own art without paying a commission.
Lmfao fuck no. Hero forge is good for if you wanted to print a model for use at a real table. Hero forge is the opposite of "specific or unique". Barely anything is customizable compared to MidJourney.
You can't get details on faces, weird body parts, unique clothing, dynamic or contextual backgrounds, or y'know, anything non humanoid
It was just an example, my guy. Could use picrew if you want. Regardless, though, AI āartā is garbage and treating it as āfree custom artā is fucking asinine
Lmfao you can't be for real. I had to look up picrew. It's a fucking portrait-only identikit style program. Now, those exist in online D&D too, but AI is still faster and you get better results from it.
Can you actually articulate what the real problem is that you have? Why is it "garbage" and "asinine"? I dont think you can.
AI art fills a niche. I don't have the financial means to pay someone for a piece of character art used for all of 2 hours at most, nor do I have the time to communicate the requirements for that image to the artist. It takes longer for me to search through my database of mostly copyrighted art from pre-AI days than it does to generate new art via AI.
It's not perfect, but it is good enough. So maybe i can give you "garbage". Because garbage prompts in = garbage out, just like real commissioned art, by the way.
And I don't see how AI being free custom art is "asinine". How is it foolish? "free custom art" is quite a precise definitio for AI art (ignoring paid platforms here of course).
Art is a luxury. If you canāt afford it, you shouldnāt be expected to get it for free. Learn the skill and make it yourself, or pay for the luxury that art is and commission an artist.
Or, I could do what I was doing before AI art and just scrape copyrighted art off image boards, being completely unable to pay royalties to the original artist anyway because 99% of art on the internet is unattributable to begin with.
If a luxury item is available for the same value but there are two different levels of quality, why would someone be obligated not to take the higher quality option? Morality? Ethics? Am I morally or ethically obliged to pay $1000 for a bottle of whiskey if my personal taste preferences are that a $100 bottle is better? Am I expected to learn how to make whiskey myself because I can't afford the $1000?
I have commissioned artists before, by the way. For actual player characters that are going to be used for hundreds of hours. Because the quality of a human artist exceeds AI in those cases, and i can afford the time and monetary cost. But the cost benefit ratio doesn't stack up for NPC art.
Hero Forge is shit. Its like a friggin lego where you can swap the head piece and the suit color, but its always the same general dude.
AI is great at specific and unique. I wanted a Giff barbarian wearing a loincloth. Couldn't find one anywhere, since Giff are generally these refined British types. Plopped "hippo-humanoid barbarian in loincloth" and bam, Giff barb in 10 seconds.
Like i said, tokens. I don't need masterpieces, i need 20 different generic bandits so its not always the same token. And every once in a while for a unique NPC i'll put some effort into prompting and going through multiple iterations.
It won't. The only artists who will survive are great ones. Or at least, it'll take quite a while before AI achieves anything we would call true mastery.
If you treat artistic expression just like any other job, of course you'll be replaced by technology eventually, it's inevitable.
I don't see a problem with being an artist not being very lucrative. In fact, I think it might improve human art overall.
You probably don't care about people who lost their jobs due to other advances in science and technology (industrialization, the computer, etc.), so why should anyone feel any different about Twitter artists?
I do care. We must protect our places in society, and help others protect theirs. Technolgical progression is a benefit when it raises industries, but it will become a massive problem when it completely substitutes them. Art as a job is already shaky, but thats no reason to take it out back and blow its brains out by substituting it with ai "artists".
The only artists who will survive are great ones
Also this is precious. Good luck finding the great artists beneath the piles of ai garbage.
Technological progression is making jobs obsolete left and right, and most of it has nothing to do with AI. The fact of the matter is, if your job is very specialized but not particularly difficult (the fact that being an artist is now counted among those is strange, but not surprising considering the direction human art is going in), it is in danger of being replaced.
Wanting to stop this process is a noble goal, but I question how realistic or helpful this would be.
Should bowyers get their jobs back?
Art as a job is already shaky, but thats no reason to take it out back and blow its brains out by substituting it with ai "artists".
Again, a good artist doesn't have to worry about being replaced in the foreseeable future. If a potential "customer" (i.e. commissioner, person just clicking on a post, etc.) prefers AI slop over an artist's work, that is his decision (and says
something about the art as well).
And being an artist should never become a lucrative career choice, for obvious reasons.
Good luck finding the great artists beneath the piles of ai garbage.
This is pretty easy, since AI can't actually paint. If you insist on looking at digital art, Artstation and I'm sure many more platforms give you the ability to disable AI-generated content.
As unsavoury as drawing porn is saying it isn't art is just wrong. The people who do it had to learn art like everyone else, even if we were to accept this with the condition that "it's just porn artists that are gonna be switched out bro" don't you think eventually it would cascade into affecting regular artists as well?
The twitter artist who draws Samus getting fucked by a horse didn't insufflate any aesthetic reflexion in his drawing, just like the Russo brothers didn't insufflate any aesthetic reflexion in the slop they've been directing for Marvel, for example.
The argument of "[said art form] isn't art, and it may endanger [older art form]" was repeated ad nauseam by painters when photography was invented, or by playwriters when cinema was invented, or by fucking newspaper journalists when radio journalism was invented. Yet, they all still exist, because none treat their topic the same way the other does. AI image generation is most spectacular when used to deconstruct visuals, and offer images that feel dream-like, uncomprenhensably anguishing or relaxing, for example. Vulture by Kanye feels like a fever dream, and shows visuals that couldn't be done traditionally. AI image generation can also be used to democratize visual creation.
I agree with most of your points, and you seem to actually know your stuff, maybe even more than i do. Still, there is one major problem in your argument, and that is that until now all newer art forms where still majorly made by humans.
A photograph is a result of a machine being used by a human, but most of the work is still made by the human. Its the human that locates and frames the picture, and back then there was a whole careful process for it to even come to fruition. Writers went from rocks to paper to digital, but the story is still written by the author, the machine just aids them.
With Ai, the human takes such a small role, that putting it next to human made pieces is ridiculous. I have no doubt that ai can create beautiful things, and i think it should flourish, my problem is with the people using it to pretend they are artists, or worse, substitute the artists. Having something that can create pictures by writing a sentence will only open the gates for a flood of absolute slop, all of this from the work of digital artists.
The line has to be drawn somewhere. I don't care if its the mona lisa or princess peach getting railed, we shouldn't allow our fellow men to be overran by ai slop.
Regarding photography, it is very debatable. What about Robert Capa or Robert Sargent's work for example ? They took photos that "accidentally" became artistic masterpieces; they didn't control any of the events going on. Same thing goes for animal photography for example, where the lion or bird can move at any moment, and where the photographer ought to influence the setting as little as possible.
No one believes that the computer "creates" by itself and thus is capable of art. Human input is still required. AI, in this case, is simply the writer's pen and paper. The art comes from what the person writing the prompt and generating the image wants to make you feel when you look at it.
You're talking about how AI opened the floodgates of slop, but the same arguments were made for photography but also for digital cameras and digital drawing equipment. Shooting a movie is infinitely easier now, thanks to digital cameras. This allowed millions of morons to flood the internet with brain-rot content, yet it also allowed David Fincher to create Zodiac (2007). Deviantart is full of terrible digital drawings, that were made possible thanks to Paint or Photoshop, yet it is also where Alex Andreyev published his horrifying yet stunning digital paintings.
The vast majority of digital artists, just like any other artists, is mediocre, and simply copies things they appreciate in hopes of making it big. Yet, be it through painting, cinema or image generation, some manage to deconstruct everything they have learned, and produce art that challenges your aesthetics ideas. For example, I found Eleanore Crook's work made with AI absolutely fascinating, and it definitely doesn't look like the shitty AI slop boomers love on Facebook.
Sure it's a great argument that AI can now give everyone an outlet to express their genuine Creativity (with a capital C).
But, is creativity alone enough to make you an artist or to consider the work art? Isn't the whole point of it all to be skilled and devoted to getting good at your craft, good artists aren't just great creators, they're great technicians and workers.
I would argue that the thing making someone not an artist isn't whether they are making porn. That's like saying people constructing buildings you don't like are not construction workers.
Artists should still be judged on ability and proficiency, not whether or not they depict a thing you like.
Oh, trust me, i don't mind porn at all.
What I said doesn't come from a moral standpoint. You can perfectly depict real sexual intercourse in an artistic manner.
What i'm saying is that pornography is, 99% of the time, not done with an artistic goal in mind, but to simply satisfy the consumers' needs, and that's perfectly okay. Sites like Deeper try to bring some artistic creativity in their works but it's really a minority.
Artistic goals are philosophical circlejerks. Art has been done for money forever. Rembrandt wasn't an enlightened thinker, he was a guy who painted portraits of people for money.
This is fine and all, but where is the line? What do you mean "copying the most basic designs"? All art takes skill, and even if digital art takes less skill just because you don't have to scrap an entire work because paint fell over the wrong spot should the people who use it not be regarded as artists? Are animators not artists? Do you want them to draw their frames on paper?
I like your view of things, and i agree for the most of it. But i still believe ai is different. In your examples there are still humans behind most of the creative process, aided by machines. But with ai the algorythm itself bears most of the work. This is fundamentally diferent from someone using a computer to draw, or a typewriter to write.
I have no doubt ai will be resposible for some beautiful pieces, and i'm curious to see how it develops, but i believe its spammable nature will create serious problem if left unchecked.
with ai the algorythm itself bears most of the work
This is only true of most of the "AI art" we see so far, because it's low hanging fruit and in the aggregate human markets are opportunistic and lazy. There are a few examples I've seen where the human element still completely dominates the AI component, and we'll see more of them over time as people learn to use the tools and think with the new logics that the tools afford.
Thanks for linking that, i haven't seen that before. Again, i agree with you that ai can and will be used for beautiful interesting things, but as you said the human markets are opportunistic and lazy, and i believe that for each great work we will see an unimaginable amount of garbage.
You could argue this is the nature of things, but the problem here is how easy it is to generate that garbage. A good comparison would be the unity game engine, where it can be used by people to make interesting indie games, only for these to be burried under mountains of asset flipped trash.
At the same time, YouTube has billions of videos uploaded every day and yet the best still rise to the top and the garbage from 15 years ago still has 622 views. The world is filled with trash and humans are very good at finding the value. I don't see this being much different. Ai will make thousands of pieces of trash to ignore, a few shiny trophies, and otherwise aid humans in making their own high quality art. The best will be recognized and the worst will be ignored and replaced.
Yeah, it's certainly not all upside, but the progress of technology is something that I don't think any person or nation is capable of stopping and so we simply have to deal with (and benefit from where we can) the consequences.
I think a lot of people will take positions similar to the one I've shared, but then reconsider once their own vocations are auomated away.
Why should we stop innovation because it costs jobs? By your logic, we shouldnātāve let cameras stick around because they steal jobs from portrait takers. If your art is able to be beat in quality and price (in the opinion of the consumer) by AI then it wasnāt that good to begin with. I am aware that AI depends on artists for their machine learning, so I donāt think it should be monetized.
Reading the replies, ofcourse we are. People can be really shortsighted. Great artists just sprout out of the ground, ready made, so who cares if starting out artists won't get jobs? Who cares if all the unsavoury art jobs are lost to AI, despite how it has helped many of the modern greats to keep themselves afloat during tough times or when they start out.
Then please take this test, because as far as I saw they looked pretty good to me. Not the best test, but at least one of many. But if you think all AI art is bad then you should easily score 100% in many of these tests.
I got 5/12, which if we take into account that some of my answers might have been pure luck then it speaks even more of what AI can do. Statistically anything below 60% or 50% pretty much means that the result is probably blind luck. But 12 is a bad sample rate anyway.
And please also consider the fact when looking at your results, you knew you were doing a test right now where one of the pictures was surely made by an AI. You wouldn't have this kind of advantage when you're just surfing the web normally.
Just because thousands of coomer slop is being generated daily by horny using teens free sites does not mean that this is all AI is capable of.
I got 11/12. This isn't the gatcha you think it is. The quickest way is to ask yourself "what did the artist intent, would a person make this decision". The only one I messed up on was the black and white one but some of these are so painfully obvious like the animal one.
what did the artist intent, would a person make this decision
Literally no idea, I wasn't there, nor am I their friend to guess.
The "gatcha" part was for the "all AI art is bad" statement.
So if someone can't consistently choose all options correctly in dozens of image pairs then it's not that bad after all, it can be really good especially given the fact that you knew that one of them was generated and you still messed up. Not specifically "you", but anyone who claims this stupid shit just to seethe over something they hate for the sake of hating.
10/12 and i only fucked the winter one because the human image was so low res i couldnt read the text and immediately assumed it was ai
Some of those pics are so obvious im surprised you got a score that low. On top of that the human pics are put at a terribly low resolution just so that they can give ai an handicap.
This is a terrible test to prove yourĀ
point lmao
Just because thousands of coomer slop is being generated daily by horny using teens free sites does not mean that this is all AI is capable of.
The coomer slop suffers from the exact same faults are those artsy slop in that test so i'm not sure what your point is
I was more referring to how the coomer AI arts are more likely to be mass-produced on free sites with like 5 prompts as opposed to someone who knows what they're doing and carefully try to lego together dozens of prompts and messing with input variables to get a decent result.
Like there will obviously be a difference between a free Chinese malware site vs something that's being developed by dedicated researchers of generative AI.
My point is that AI far does not give as bad of a job as people make it sound like. If it would then a simple low res image wouldn't stop anyone from detecting a fake one.
It's the same arguement that lossless audiophiles make. Yeah you can hear the difference when you're in a quiet room with your 1000 Euro headset using 100% of your brain power to hear how it's slightly more noisy than mp3. Try hearing the difference on a rattling bus with mid-tier headphones when you're just simply enjoying your music.
this test is NOT a good example, if you look for details, you can tell where AI falls flat. The AI does not have "intelligence" to put thought into each little thing like a human, it only knows what the words mean and a rough idea of what to put out, like an average of a series, you know, cause its math.
Same, just imagining people who use that quiz as like a āgotchaā looking at AI slop literally unable to tell the difference. Like holy shit bro go to a museum or something
I got 11/12 and work heavily with AI. One of the major tricks to AI is that as a logical and algorithmic intelligence, it has to take things logically to its conclusion.
Great example is the picture of the two men walking across the white. The AI added in shadows with correct light positioning. Everything makes sense and is uniform. The human however has glaring flaws the artist omitted, shadow, light, horizon positioning.
Another is the view of the skyline. The buildings have errors in their positioning for the human, the angles can be wrong as the reflections. The AI one though, itās uniform, logical as the buildings are oriented precisely, reflect correctly and have a pleasing real world aesthetic.
Once you realize that humanity copes by celebrating its weaknesses and mistakes against the purity and strength of cold steel and silica you begin to understand Ā the depths of despair talentless hacks feel against machine certainty.
The AI added in shadows with correct light positioning.Ā
The shadow split in two for no reason it is illogical
itās uniform
But its not. Its obviously ai because the building details are completely fucked up while the human one is far more consistent.
Look at the dude face with the flower crown for another comparaison. Everything is recognizable on the human one. On the ai one, one of the eye has a completely different design and most of the crown is made of random colored shape that only looks like flower or plants if you dont focus on them.
Yes it's both, artifacting is very much a thing but that's more an error with the math, most humans dont draw six lobster claws on a palm for giggles. That will improve over time.
What mathematical error make the ai think it's logical to turn an elephant trunk into a snake? Or think that's a little girl and an unicorn could be connected by an hair strand? Or completely randomly switch style and perspective in the middle of an abstract illustration of a city?
I get what you're trying to say but imo it's only crappy skilless art that's hard to distinguish between AI work or human. So if an artist is complaining how their art is not being appreciated because people like an AI knockoff of the same style, then I think they need to improve on their storytelling/medium/technical skills.
Goon material wise I don't think it matters anyways lol
Begginer art is still pretty distinct. Try drawing a bunch of stuffs (im assuming you're bad at art) and it will never look like ai no matter how many fuck up you make.
AI main fault is that it will garble things together as it just spit out a mish mash of values. The mistakes made by an ai are mistakes that no human will ever do because the way we and ai think about pictures are fundamentally different.Ā
9/12 and I deliberately chose wrong twice specifically because I knew this was a test and tried to game it. I think maybe you just haven't noticed the ever-repeating patterns in AI art yet that make it such generic slop.
AI art cannot recreate real art, it does not have a process, you can't recreate the process to get there.
And you can see that process in real art, brushstrokes are visible, even in a lot of digital art. There's form, there's detail, there's little thing that you need to think about putting in there.
AI just averages out your prompt, there is no thought going into the pieces, which is why it fails most of the time.
There is no AI art that is indistinguishable from human art if you look hard enough.
To be fair AI porn is pretty decent. The only downside really is that it looks all identical so after a couple goons it feels like you're wanking at the same pic over and over again.
Even then, it's easy enough to mix it up with different styles if you put in minimum effort messing around with the prompt.
The fact that the vast majority of ai art online doesn't even bother with that is why it all looks terrible. Imo anyway. But nothing would stop you from making better stuff easily if you wanted to.
Is the same problem with people that take a lot of photos yet that doesn't make them professional photographers. And instead of being picky and choosing one single photo to upload, they upload 25 repeating photos of the same thing to their Facebook/Instagram, clogging their profile with crappy pictures.
The same problem with AI, to many people don't even take the effort of quality checking the images and you have an idiot upload 112 AI images in the same post of the same prompt with the same pose just slight AI shit variations, effectively clogging the site with AI slop.
It's the easiness of the medium for people that don't put even the minimum effort.
I saved a set made by single pictures of other sets, so it's like a set of different stuff and not the same all the time.
But like 2 human-made pieces with high quality are so much better, worth a full set of that AI garbage.
I'm using nnn as an excuse to gather lots of stuff in a few folders to have everything organized by the time I lose it, so I don't get my hand sore searching for the right stuff.
Former nsfw artist here. Iām insulted that people can look at my work and say āai can do this.ā Ai canāt even make somebody with the right amount of fingers and you think it can make an anatomically correct vagina.
Ai not being able to do fingers was solved in 2023. Like go to any publicly available image generator right now and generate a picture of a hand, and you can see for yourself that this is not an issue. Honestly this just tells me that a lot of you are not paying attention to the pace at which this tech is developing. 1 year of development in AI is an eternity
I do pay close attention to this stuff. My programmer friend and I have made it a hobby to test the limits of chatgpt and other language models. A couple weeks ago, I asked midjourney to draw a guy holding a tv remote, a beer and a cheeseburger and it didnāt know how to portray that without giving him 3 arms. Oh and all 3 hands had a different amount of fingers for good measure. Beyond that, the background was incomprehensible and didnāt follow any kind of perspective. Image generators are obviously better than what they were last year or even a few months ago, but theyāre not even close to perfect.
Don't care, dont feel like jacking off to it unless I know some dude has slaved away on a graphics tablet for hours to create material for me to nut to.
Sometimes the shit quality makes it better baitin' material. There's a host of popular artists who are popular for their minimal and uneven artstyle. AI tries too hard to mimic 'perfect' art that's already got plenty of extra help from a computer for the artist.
Seems like all you know is the free tier stuff from bing. More advanced models are pretty good at doing fake realistic people as well as fake furry shit. I use midjourney for my DnD stuff and even the sfw stuff really is great.
Funny story. A friend of mine purchased some art of our characters from a videogame (nothing lewd) and I was told that it cost them $300. Having hired artists before, I thought that was absurd. But, whatever, no skin off my nose. Flash forward 3 MONTHS, which is when the art got finished, and it is quite possibly one of the ugliest things I have ever seen. Oh sure, it was clear the artist put plenty of work into it, but the faces were fucked up beyond belief. Didn't have the heart to tell them I hated it.
Thats probably part of a discord scam that has been running for quite a while. An "artist" would randomly message you, practically begging for a commission, trying to convince you by saying they desperately need the money for rent or some surgery
I've had a few like this, always relatively new accounts, generic descriptions and slow replies, probably because they are scamming like 15 people at once
Me too lmao, but the last time I did the scammer was really polite, we even had a short conversation about life and stuff, hopefully I impacted the dude's life for the better, tho I doubt it
Yo I've had this exact scam pop up in my DMs many times. I always declined because I make art myself but I didn't think it was a scam. The rent scenario was often used by these people.
Surprise surprise, it is, and if it isn't stolen art its AI art, which is way worse since you paid for something you could do for free on like 20 different pages
I had one of them send me "examples." At first, they were actually their art, but when I refused saying their art wasn't good enough for 200 dollars, they suddenly had slightly better art in like 4 different styles. Reverse image search confirmed they just stole other people's art to pass off as their own.
The thing is your friznd commissioned that artist in particular. So maybe they liked that artist's style which you find ugly af ? Was the comlissioned art similar to their other works ?
Because I personally don't find an issue with commissioning a really talented artist. Never done it and doubt I will just for a random character that I like, but I don't have an issue with those who would
This. If I showed some of my friends the things I bought/commisioned from my favourite artists they'd probably say its an overpriced piece of crap, but the thing is, I don't love run-of-the-mill super detailed artists, (I mean, I admire and like them as much as everyone does, but personally) I prefer the one's who draw in a more cartoonish way, specially if they use pastel/pinkish colors.
Ngl i dont think ai would affect artists that much except like the below average or the expensive but not that great artists
I think actually it just makes a higher standard for artists and the reason they complain is because the standard became a higher one way too quickly and i believe they should complain but at the same time not
Like i think they have a reason to complain but not a good enough justification
And i know this is an unpopular opinion but that is what i believe and if you have a better opinion please comment on it instead of just saying im wrong as i wont learn from such methods of communication
Any artist will tell you that thereās an insane amount of scammers. I had an art piece drawn by an artist and she charged me 20 USD per character and included the background setting for free. 10/10 quality and worth the 100 bucks. She sent me pictures of the progress through the whole process asking for feedback and finished it in like 5-6 hours.
Another āartistā once approached me with a 35 usd starting price and when I paid it, he said āyouāll have to pay me 150 bucks before I can finish itā which is more than triple of what we agreed on.
They make you pay a small amount and then double or triple the price and people will pay because theyāre like āi already paid 30 bucks, if I dont go along, iād have paid it for nothingā and ofc they take ages to finish it.
the character is anatomily correct and it has a unique art. a lot of Ai supporters are lacking literally the eye to see difference of artists its weird. people who look to pay commisions are looking for first for the style the artist has and then ask. i can tell instantly if something is AI if its from the most common ones.
To be fair I've seen proportionally as many drawings with shitty anatomy by real people as I have ai images, the best of a doodler is gonna be better than the best of an ai, but ai is better than the average of everyone's skills, so the average person is gonna get better generated images than if they did it themselves. And any amount of money beyond free is damn near impossible to compete with, so if they want something I'm not surprised they go to ai
yeah i think that's just how people took it, i've done commissions before from friends and been very happy with them, one actually tried to severely underbill me and i had to be like look dude this took you three weeks on and off, it's worth a little more than $20 lmfao
Due to me having purched my twitter account after the new AI changes, my artstation is currently the most complete assembly of my art. I am switching to bluesky, but it does not have a lot of my older art.
I've seen people advertising commissions on some rpg subs, custom characters and such. $60 is probably the highest I've seen but man, I wish I had the same false sense of self confidence as most of these artists.
Bruh this is just a lie, the model matters way more than the prompts, with a bad model is almost impossible to generate a good image, and you can literally copy and paste a good prompt from other person
You explain that anyone can just copy a good prompt made by someone else. I'm telling you that it isn't different than tracing someone else's drawing. In other words, it is not a valid argument against AI.
Also, tracing a drawing is four actions, ooooh: open photoshop, load the image, create a layer, start tracing.
Well, from tracing at least you are doing something, putting an effort to follow the original lines. And if you don't claim the art you traced is yours, at least you can learn something from the art you traced.
Tracing even the simplest of lineart still take more effort. Even after that you still gotta copy the coloring/rendering and good luck on that if you have 0 skills or knowledge in it.
Anon made this thread because he has a sense that using AI art is wrong, but still wants to use it. He probably was gung-ho about AI art early-on, and then when his favourite artists came out and said they didn't like it, he got angry because he didn't want to feel guilty. He has made this thread to try and appeal to the crowd about why he shouldn't feel guilty.
Or you knowā¦ maybe he just makes fun of part time artist fighting windmills because he is just tired of hearing them seethe all the time that their 200 dollar side-gig is in potential jeopardy( which is not really the case for any artist who is really worth anything, as people still want to see the soul behind the art no matter what), and there is no made up moral dilemma going on inside his head really, because no normal person would really feel guilty for using some fucking AI toolsā¦
No actually normal people would feel guilty for using a technology that is effectively a tool that dulls the mind of people, harms several professionals, and slowly kills the environment. Just because you're unable to feel guilt doesn't mean normal people don't
I hope you realize "dulls the mind of people, harms several professionals, and slowly kills the environment" applies to almost every advancement in technology.
"Slowly kills the environment" isn't true on its face as well, Minecraft has likely done as much to hurt the environment if we're going off the metric of 'every processing unit sold, at max capacity, 100% of the time,' which is where this idea that 'AI kills the environment / uses tons of energy' comes from.
How incredibly stupid do you have to be to read "this lets the rich get even richer" and think "impossible, the rich were already rich before the thing existed"
Real jobs that contribute to society like sorting spreadsheets? If we're talking about contribution to society CEOs should be the first to go, then you next specifically
You look at the state of the world today and tell me if people feel guilty or not (spoiler: no one does). Shills certainly donāt feel guilty about finding some garbage, putting a bird on it, and then calling it art.
The word is 'headcanon', and my point isn't that it's impossible not to feel guilty, but that people who make pointlessly angry posts like his are doing so to appeal to the crowd in an effort to deflect from more uncomfortable self-reflection.
Yeah, why da fuck you believe there is any āself-reflectionā in him, people donāt go through moral dilemmas from using chatGPT, dudeā¦ I donāt know what type of reality you live in. He is just like most people is probably tired of chronically online Twitter crowd whining about being overtaken by AI, itās just that simple.
All AI does is make uncreative people lazier. Theirās something compelling about spending time and effort to make something youāre proud of that anon will never learn because he only sees art as goon material and not as a actual discipline.
But art has literally been there for humanity since weāve lived in caves. Itās also not only encroached on art but photos too causing misinfo and lies to spread raptly itās literally pandoraās box
Do you remember the thing that makes Pandoraās box so tricky to deal with? You canāt close it. Doesnāt matter how many petitions get signed or how many people call it unethical AI art will always be arund
Idk bro lmao. You made the comparison. Iām just saying nothing anyone can do to stop ai now that itās started. There will always be some website or something hosting a tool to make art easily and there will always be someone using it
There's something compelling about the creation of fire. The rubbing of two sticks together in just the right way after carefully collecting dried leaves; the waiting to see whether or not the fire will take so you can cook food or not.
People nowadays will never know that because they all just use matches and lighters or cook with microwaves. They see fire as just burning things instead of warmth and life.
AI runs out of new data to feed on, starts analyzing its own images
Begins producing worse and worse images, devolving into incoherence within a couple of years
"But that's just a baseless prediction!"
Open Facebook for 5 minutes
See dozens of examples of AI cannibalizing AI art into unimaginable horrors
Tl;dr OP is too poor to afford any more furry diaper porn, and would rather ruin the internet in the long run so he can jerk off for free in short term
Yeah I canāt see myself supporting AI art, Iām friends with artists and Iāve seen the amount of work and effort itās taken for them to reach their level of skill today, punching words into a computer and getting the resulting image just doesnāt sit well with me
If Iām being honest I think AI should be focused on non-creative endeavors, I want machines to do the boring work for me so that I can spend my time drawing and making music, not the other way around
The correct answer. Let machines do the menial, boring shit. People must think and create, it helps them develop (yes, even if it's drawing porn). AIbros are getting it backwards.
Everyone whines about all AI art looking awful, but when you don't actively seek it out all you'll be exposed to is the bad shit. If you go somewhere like CivitAI and sort by most popular you'll get tons of really great stuff
I used to draw nsfw stuff as a side hustle. Part of the problem is how quickly sites like deviantart pushed us aside for the ai shit. It was like as soon as it hit the scene, their algorithm really started pushing it. Along with stricter content restrictions and the ai stuff, they basically alienated their entire user base in a couple months. Tons of artists left, myself included.
Main advantage of ai over artist is the massive time difference. Even if you have the most industrious coomer in the world working on your piece he's never going to beat the computer. The commissioner also has to curate which artist to choose and then come up with an idea of his own with various references, it's far less effort to just type in a few words.Ā
This being said, i've yet to see raw ai art that didnt looks jank as fuck without retouch, artists result looks better usually (imo), are more customizable and sometimes (rarely) they're pretty cool guys.Ā
Some of its insanely good now, like a year ago i swear it was incapable of doing hands, now its not uncommon for hands and feet to be completely fine. you have to go off of what the lineart looks like now, like if hair weirdly connects to clothing or weird unneccesary lines that do nothing. the one thing AI cannot fucking do whatsoever still is pixel art, its all dogshit lol
I checked most of the first page of r34 for the ai_generated tag and virtually every single pic had fucked up hands. Even with the two best one (who only show a single hand while hiding the fingers) there's very obvious fucked up elements like an arm in the hair, garbled text, assymetrical eyes, etc
it's fun to piss off artists and cry ableism when people get upset over it but i can't imagine actually using ai in the immediate future. snowball effect sure but until it's decent quality and everything's free literally what the fuck would i use it for
AI cannot generate animals that aren't already super popular and/or commercialized
Some local company tried to sell some zomg capy merch, but the generated images they used were all just squirrels and also had some weird white gradient on their face
it's not meant to be a stand alone art maker, artists who are adapting are already using AI to create references or bases that they can alter themselves
only artists who refuse to adapt will get left behind by AI
Trigger_Fox@reddit
Were not gonna start pretending that screwing over artists with ai is a good thing right?
MathematicianNo7842@reddit
I don't give a shit about "artists" getting replaced by AI. Just like they don't give a shit about retail or factory workers getting canned.
Also, I'm pretty sure actual artists are not even bothered. Doubt oil painting or sculpting is going anywhere. Just the shitty digital "art" 90% of which is furry porn anyway so nothing of value will be lost.
Trigger_Fox@reddit
So to you digital art doesn't count as art? Should we just stagnate in our methods? If everyone thought like you we'd still be throwing colored powder at cavern rocks.
Who said artists don't care about other people being replaced by ai? Are you the fucking lorax of the artists to be speaking for them? If we don't put a stop to ai art right now don't you think eventually even sculpting will be lost? We already have 3d machines, so i'd say its a matter of time.
Also where do you think the AI itself got the references for the art it "creates" from? Lets not pretend this isn't an issue just because the people affected draw animals fucking for a living, this shit will come for all of us eventually if it isn't regulated.
MathematicianNo7842@reddit
So to you AI art doesn't count as art? Should we just stagnate in our methods? If everyone thought like you we'd still be throwing colored powder at cavern rocks.
Zeldacrafter_Swagg@reddit
Yes AI art doesn't count because it's not made by humans, therefore it is not art, because it does not express anything, or use any method or make any conscious choice. Are you an actual troglodyte?
MathematicianNo7842@reddit
no u ackshually because troglodytes are opposed to progress so you'd fit right in
This is just the furry drawers guild crying loudly about technology that might make things available for the masses.
It's happened before and fighting it will only make you look dumb in hindsight. Troglodyte.
Ducokapi@reddit
My dude, stop, we're running out of space to store these š š š š š š š
MathematicianNo7842@reddit
You can always store them up your ass.
Trigger_Fox@reddit
Lmao i guess the other guy struck a nerve
sloothor@reddit
Why is this every Redditorās āTake that!ā response whenever they have nothing else to say? So corny
GhettoStatusSymbol3@reddit
Who says art can only be made by humans? I still give the prompts to AI models to generate art, so I'm the creative here, all that's different than you and me is you wasted 10 years fiddling with your hands on a tablet
Car_Gnome@reddit
"I'm the creative here"
Ah yes, as we all know, commissioning art from an artist makes you the creative one.
You really think you have any kind of talent just by typing "hot anime girl naked big boobies" into a computer?
Get a life.
denny31415926@reddit
Note that I'm not advocating for AI to go away entirely. I've seen people make ethical and really good stuff with the technology, like Corridor Digital's "Anime Rock Paper Scissors", or Steve Mould's set of puzzles and optical illusions.
As such, I do think AI generated pictures count as art, but it's a problem when many AI sites explicitly encourage stealing other peoples' digital art. There's plenty of advice on prompt engineering which says to include "Created by [some talented artist]" to get better results.
Also, you say that 90% of digital art is shit. Sure, let's assume that's true. There's still 10% of digital art which is good, and created by talented people. Are you really just going to sweep these people under the rug with the rest of them? What do you think is going to happen if we just let AI take over everything, and eventually it runs out of source material to steal from?
Intrepid_Beginning@reddit
Ironic...
Superfragger@reddit
i'm an artist but i don't care because i have talent and will keep getting commissions. all of these devianart amateurs selling furry porn can keep coping and seething.
ihatedyouall@reddit
starting to doubt you're an artist
Car_Gnome@reddit
Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. The only thing we know for sure is that they're a complete loser.
Superfragger@reddit
youre an anime gooner.
painfulnumbness@reddit
So to you AI art doesn't count as art? Should we just stagnate in our methods? If everyone thought like you we'd still be throwing colored powder at cavern rocks.
J-DubZ@reddit
Sculpting is already lost; check the Dwayne wade statue
yawls@reddit
Exactly. If AI art is generic slop (and I'll give the anti AI art crowd this: it absolutely is), the only artists who need to worry about getting replaced by it are those who make generic slop.
Raphabulous@reddit
Nice strawman once again.
SipoteQuixote@reddit
How am I suppose to sell my copy paste hedgehogs now???
DeathinabottleX@reddit
Sorry not sorry AI art isnāt going anywhere and itās only going to get better
Rambowcat83@reddit
Start bro there are whole movements about it. Everyone appreciates a skill till they don't need it amymore
Isphus@reddit
Everyone appreciates elevator operators and professional typewriters till they don't need them anymore.
Notladub@reddit
AI art is more like if you let a machine do your tattoo instead of a tattoo artist
zaque_wann@reddit
Ai art is like if they build the elevators using hundreds of operators.
Runnermikey1@reddit
Iād actually feel pretty comfortable with that if there were examples of its work.
actually-epic-name@reddit
Horrible analogy, die
PhantomDP@reddit
The people who would commission artists before ai will still continue now.
I'm sure it's put a stop to a lot of the "I'll pay you in exposure" types, though
FeeblyBee@reddit
Nobody claimed this is "good" for artist, the implied claim clearly is that this is good for the consumer, since now consumers can make their own art without paying a commission.
xXMLGDOODXx@reddit
True, but itās not art. Itās actually kind of horrendous to look at.
Isphus@reddit
Not really. A lot of it is pretty decent.
I've recently started using a lot of it in online D&D games. A token's artwork is a tiny thing on the player
xXMLGDOODXx@reddit
Just use hero forge, man. Ai art is horrendous if you want anything specific or unique. If you want the same generic slop, then sure, be my guest.
phoenix_nz@reddit
Lmfao fuck no. Hero forge is good for if you wanted to print a model for use at a real table. Hero forge is the opposite of "specific or unique". Barely anything is customizable compared to MidJourney.
You can't get details on faces, weird body parts, unique clothing, dynamic or contextual backgrounds, or y'know, anything non humanoid
xXMLGDOODXx@reddit
It was just an example, my guy. Could use picrew if you want. Regardless, though, AI āartā is garbage and treating it as āfree custom artā is fucking asinine
phoenix_nz@reddit
Lmfao you can't be for real. I had to look up picrew. It's a fucking portrait-only identikit style program. Now, those exist in online D&D too, but AI is still faster and you get better results from it.
Can you actually articulate what the real problem is that you have? Why is it "garbage" and "asinine"? I dont think you can.
AI art fills a niche. I don't have the financial means to pay someone for a piece of character art used for all of 2 hours at most, nor do I have the time to communicate the requirements for that image to the artist. It takes longer for me to search through my database of mostly copyrighted art from pre-AI days than it does to generate new art via AI.
It's not perfect, but it is good enough. So maybe i can give you "garbage". Because garbage prompts in = garbage out, just like real commissioned art, by the way.
And I don't see how AI being free custom art is "asinine". How is it foolish? "free custom art" is quite a precise definitio for AI art (ignoring paid platforms here of course).
xXMLGDOODXx@reddit
Art is a luxury. If you canāt afford it, you shouldnāt be expected to get it for free. Learn the skill and make it yourself, or pay for the luxury that art is and commission an artist.
BipolarMadness@reddit
As a luxury, their prices are not competitive to today's market, and as such not a necessity.
xXMLGDOODXx@reddit
Such a strange way of thinking. Like, yeah, I know oop was making the joke already, but ai art is literally theft.
phoenix_nz@reddit
Or, I could do what I was doing before AI art and just scrape copyrighted art off image boards, being completely unable to pay royalties to the original artist anyway because 99% of art on the internet is unattributable to begin with.
If a luxury item is available for the same value but there are two different levels of quality, why would someone be obligated not to take the higher quality option? Morality? Ethics? Am I morally or ethically obliged to pay $1000 for a bottle of whiskey if my personal taste preferences are that a $100 bottle is better? Am I expected to learn how to make whiskey myself because I can't afford the $1000?
I have commissioned artists before, by the way. For actual player characters that are going to be used for hundreds of hours. Because the quality of a human artist exceeds AI in those cases, and i can afford the time and monetary cost. But the cost benefit ratio doesn't stack up for NPC art.
BipolarMadness@reddit
You can't make this shit. I banned Hero Forge from all my table because of how shit and ugly it is as "art of a character."
Hero Forge is a worse slop in DnD and TTRPG communities than AI images are.
Isphus@reddit
Competitive-Buyer386@reddit
Oh guys we found the guy OOP was talking about
xXMLGDOODXx@reddit
Iām not an artist but at least I have integrity.
BallisticThundr@reddit
If it's so "horrendous" then people wouldn't be using it so much
firekryre@reddit
personal consumption artists arent getting screwed over because theyre not entitled to getting commissions so what the fuck are you even talking about
whydoyouevenreadthis@reddit
If it's just porn artists, who cares?
Trigger_Fox@reddit
How are you sure it will stop at the porn artists?
whydoyouevenreadthis@reddit
It won't. The only artists who will survive are great ones. Or at least, it'll take quite a while before AI achieves anything we would call true mastery.
If you treat artistic expression just like any other job, of course you'll be replaced by technology eventually, it's inevitable.
I don't see a problem with being an artist not being very lucrative. In fact, I think it might improve human art overall.
You probably don't care about people who lost their jobs due to other advances in science and technology (industrialization, the computer, etc.), so why should anyone feel any different about Twitter artists?
Trigger_Fox@reddit
I do care. We must protect our places in society, and help others protect theirs. Technolgical progression is a benefit when it raises industries, but it will become a massive problem when it completely substitutes them. Art as a job is already shaky, but thats no reason to take it out back and blow its brains out by substituting it with ai "artists".
Also this is precious. Good luck finding the great artists beneath the piles of ai garbage.
whydoyouevenreadthis@reddit
Technological progression is making jobs obsolete left and right, and most of it has nothing to do with AI. The fact of the matter is, if your job is very specialized but not particularly difficult (the fact that being an artist is now counted among those is strange, but not surprising considering the direction human art is going in), it is in danger of being replaced.
Wanting to stop this process is a noble goal, but I question how realistic or helpful this would be.
Should bowyers get their jobs back?
Again, a good artist doesn't have to worry about being replaced in the foreseeable future. If a potential "customer" (i.e. commissioner, person just clicking on a post, etc.) prefers AI slop over an artist's work, that is his decision (and says something about the art as well).
And being an artist should never become a lucrative career choice, for obvious reasons.
This is pretty easy, since AI can't actually paint. If you insist on looking at digital art, Artstation and I'm sure many more platforms give you the ability to disable AI-generated content.
Ulfricosaure@reddit
People drawing porn for 200$ are not artists. They're excellent and skilled technicians, but they're not artists.
Trigger_Fox@reddit
As unsavoury as drawing porn is saying it isn't art is just wrong. The people who do it had to learn art like everyone else, even if we were to accept this with the condition that "it's just porn artists that are gonna be switched out bro" don't you think eventually it would cascade into affecting regular artists as well?
Ulfricosaure@reddit
Because they had to learn artistic skill doesn't mean that they are artists.
I'm not saying that you cannot make art out of uncensored sex (Gaspard NoƩ and Lars von Trier did so for example), but the entire point of pornography is to satisfy a need, not to offer an artistic proposition regarding lust, sexuality, or taboos or whatever.
The twitter artist who draws Samus getting fucked by a horse didn't insufflate any aesthetic reflexion in his drawing, just like the Russo brothers didn't insufflate any aesthetic reflexion in the slop they've been directing for Marvel, for example.
The argument of "[said art form] isn't art, and it may endanger [older art form]" was repeated ad nauseam by painters when photography was invented, or by playwriters when cinema was invented, or by fucking newspaper journalists when radio journalism was invented. Yet, they all still exist, because none treat their topic the same way the other does. AI image generation is most spectacular when used to deconstruct visuals, and offer images that feel dream-like, uncomprenhensably anguishing or relaxing, for example. Vulture by Kanye feels like a fever dream, and shows visuals that couldn't be done traditionally. AI image generation can also be used to democratize visual creation.
Trigger_Fox@reddit
I agree with most of your points, and you seem to actually know your stuff, maybe even more than i do. Still, there is one major problem in your argument, and that is that until now all newer art forms where still majorly made by humans.
A photograph is a result of a machine being used by a human, but most of the work is still made by the human. Its the human that locates and frames the picture, and back then there was a whole careful process for it to even come to fruition. Writers went from rocks to paper to digital, but the story is still written by the author, the machine just aids them.
With Ai, the human takes such a small role, that putting it next to human made pieces is ridiculous. I have no doubt that ai can create beautiful things, and i think it should flourish, my problem is with the people using it to pretend they are artists, or worse, substitute the artists. Having something that can create pictures by writing a sentence will only open the gates for a flood of absolute slop, all of this from the work of digital artists.
The line has to be drawn somewhere. I don't care if its the mona lisa or princess peach getting railed, we shouldn't allow our fellow men to be overran by ai slop.
Ulfricosaure@reddit
Regarding photography, it is very debatable. What about Robert Capa or Robert Sargent's work for example ? They took photos that "accidentally" became artistic masterpieces; they didn't control any of the events going on. Same thing goes for animal photography for example, where the lion or bird can move at any moment, and where the photographer ought to influence the setting as little as possible.
No one believes that the computer "creates" by itself and thus is capable of art. Human input is still required. AI, in this case, is simply the writer's pen and paper. The art comes from what the person writing the prompt and generating the image wants to make you feel when you look at it.
You're talking about how AI opened the floodgates of slop, but the same arguments were made for photography but also for digital cameras and digital drawing equipment. Shooting a movie is infinitely easier now, thanks to digital cameras. This allowed millions of morons to flood the internet with brain-rot content, yet it also allowed David Fincher to create Zodiac (2007). Deviantart is full of terrible digital drawings, that were made possible thanks to Paint or Photoshop, yet it is also where Alex Andreyev published his horrifying yet stunning digital paintings.
The vast majority of digital artists, just like any other artists, is mediocre, and simply copies things they appreciate in hopes of making it big. Yet, be it through painting, cinema or image generation, some manage to deconstruct everything they have learned, and produce art that challenges your aesthetics ideas. For example, I found Eleanore Crook's work made with AI absolutely fascinating, and it definitely doesn't look like the shitty AI slop boomers love on Facebook.
Rich-Drawer@reddit
Sure it's a great argument that AI can now give everyone an outlet to express their genuine Creativity (with a capital C).
But, is creativity alone enough to make you an artist or to consider the work art? Isn't the whole point of it all to be skilled and devoted to getting good at your craft, good artists aren't just great creators, they're great technicians and workers.
Turbulent-Willow2156@reddit
Drawing shit for $10k is art. Drawing shit for free is art. Drawing porn is art. Use your brain.
Captain_Morgan-@reddit
Art is subjective
Is a ugly spoiled banana or trash in a museum is art.
Furry porn is Art
and
AI draw is Art.
Neomataza@reddit
I would argue that the thing making someone not an artist isn't whether they are making porn. That's like saying people constructing buildings you don't like are not construction workers.
Artists should still be judged on ability and proficiency, not whether or not they depict a thing you like.
Ulfricosaure@reddit
Oh, trust me, i don't mind porn at all. What I said doesn't come from a moral standpoint. You can perfectly depict real sexual intercourse in an artistic manner.
What i'm saying is that pornography is, 99% of the time, not done with an artistic goal in mind, but to simply satisfy the consumers' needs, and that's perfectly okay. Sites like Deeper try to bring some artistic creativity in their works but it's really a minority.
Neomataza@reddit
Artistic goals are philosophical circlejerks. Art has been done for money forever. Rembrandt wasn't an enlightened thinker, he was a guy who painted portraits of people for money.
ihatedyouall@reddit
welcome to art with no meaning, being commissioned since the middle ages!
Turbulent-Willow2156@reddit
As if it's the only effect ai stuff has?
Intrepid_Beginning@reddit
"We're not gonna start pretending that screwing over weavers with factories is a good thing right"
There's still a market for both. Artists will have to adapt but that's how it's been for all of human history.
lifetimeoflaughter@reddit
Screwing over artists? Since when are they entitled to clients?
an_immature_child@reddit
This conversation would be easier if we stopped calling people who lazily copy the most basic designs (exactly like an "AI") "artists".
Artists with a capital A are still doing fine.
Trigger_Fox@reddit
This is fine and all, but where is the line? What do you mean "copying the most basic designs"? All art takes skill, and even if digital art takes less skill just because you don't have to scrap an entire work because paint fell over the wrong spot should the people who use it not be regarded as artists? Are animators not artists? Do you want them to draw their frames on paper?
painfulnumbness@reddit
By that logic doesn't AI art take less skill but still take some skill to come up with the prompts? It's still a skilled art
Strypes4686@reddit
AI "drawings" are just keywords typed into a program that "learned" from other drawings online that were analyzed and replicated.
It's high technology tracing. So the line is drawn where the "artist" hasn't held any instrument other than a keyboard.
an_immature_child@reddit
New tools always change the way people feel about old methods (though people always still find ways to do the Old stuff well).
New tools always introduce new ways of expressing human creativity.
The camera, the video camera, and the computer all resulted in similar doomerism, and all resulted in a lot of wonderful creative work.
Trigger_Fox@reddit
I like your view of things, and i agree for the most of it. But i still believe ai is different. In your examples there are still humans behind most of the creative process, aided by machines. But with ai the algorythm itself bears most of the work. This is fundamentally diferent from someone using a computer to draw, or a typewriter to write.
I have no doubt ai will be resposible for some beautiful pieces, and i'm curious to see how it develops, but i believe its spammable nature will create serious problem if left unchecked.
an_immature_child@reddit
This is only true of most of the "AI art" we see so far, because it's low hanging fruit and in the aggregate human markets are opportunistic and lazy. There are a few examples I've seen where the human element still completely dominates the AI component, and we'll see more of them over time as people learn to use the tools and think with the new logics that the tools afford.
For example, I find this piece of work to be fascination and definitely mostly a human invention.
Trigger_Fox@reddit
Thanks for linking that, i haven't seen that before. Again, i agree with you that ai can and will be used for beautiful interesting things, but as you said the human markets are opportunistic and lazy, and i believe that for each great work we will see an unimaginable amount of garbage.
You could argue this is the nature of things, but the problem here is how easy it is to generate that garbage. A good comparison would be the unity game engine, where it can be used by people to make interesting indie games, only for these to be burried under mountains of asset flipped trash.
xTraxis@reddit
At the same time, YouTube has billions of videos uploaded every day and yet the best still rise to the top and the garbage from 15 years ago still has 622 views. The world is filled with trash and humans are very good at finding the value. I don't see this being much different. Ai will make thousands of pieces of trash to ignore, a few shiny trophies, and otherwise aid humans in making their own high quality art. The best will be recognized and the worst will be ignored and replaced.
an_immature_child@reddit
Yeah, it's certainly not all upside, but the progress of technology is something that I don't think any person or nation is capable of stopping and so we simply have to deal with (and benefit from where we can) the consequences.
I think a lot of people will take positions similar to the one I've shared, but then reconsider once their own vocations are auomated away.
G1Radiobot@reddit
Yeah, but you need to have shitty artists to have good artists. Everyone is shitty before they get good.
rosemary5368141@reddit
Why should we stop innovation because it costs jobs? By your logic, we shouldnātāve let cameras stick around because they steal jobs from portrait takers. If your art is able to be beat in quality and price (in the opinion of the consumer) by AI then it wasnāt that good to begin with. I am aware that AI depends on artists for their machine learning, so I donāt think it should be monetized.
UnNecessary_XP@reddit
Do you like swords?
Markyloko@reddit
ai is filtering the artists that are in just for the money
only creative artists will prevail
2tonegold@reddit
Why don't just get a real job like the rest of us?
ItzYaBoyNewt@reddit
Reading the replies, ofcourse we are. People can be really shortsighted. Great artists just sprout out of the ground, ready made, so who cares if starting out artists won't get jobs? Who cares if all the unsavoury art jobs are lost to AI, despite how it has helped many of the modern greats to keep themselves afloat during tough times or when they start out.
Thegreen9@reddit
Seriously, are we going to call any stupid thing someone draws Art? I've seen horrible drawings being called Art because there's work behind it.
Ne0n1691Senpai@reddit
it is a good thing and youre not that guy
offspringofjesus@reddit
You can get another job
Zeldacrafter_Swagg@reddit
Imagine playing WoW and telling people to get a job lmfao
offspringofjesus@reddit
another debate lost....
Zeldacrafter_Swagg@reddit
Yeah sorry oomfie, your actions have consequences, you can't play WoW AND win reddit arguments
offspringofjesus@reddit
Such is the life of a rat
Matt_2504@reddit
Who cares about art bro
Tokamak-drive@reddit
Ethics? Bitch ai art looks like dogshit, i cant goon to that
FeeblyBee@reddit
Sampling bias. You only notice bad AI art. Good AI art is indistinguishable from human art.
Zeldacrafter_Swagg@reddit
Well yeah of course you only notice bad AI art, all AI art is bad
nyaasgem@reddit
Then please take this test, because as far as I saw they looked pretty good to me. Not the best test, but at least one of many. But if you think all AI art is bad then you should easily score 100% in many of these tests.
I got 5/12, which if we take into account that some of my answers might have been pure luck then it speaks even more of what AI can do. Statistically anything below 60% or 50% pretty much means that the result is probably blind luck. But 12 is a bad sample rate anyway.
And please also consider the fact when looking at your results, you knew you were doing a test right now where one of the pictures was surely made by an AI. You wouldn't have this kind of advantage when you're just surfing the web normally.
Just because thousands of coomer slop is being generated daily by horny using teens free sites does not mean that this is all AI is capable of.
Darkriku51@reddit
I got 11/12. This isn't the gatcha you think it is. The quickest way is to ask yourself "what did the artist intent, would a person make this decision". The only one I messed up on was the black and white one but some of these are so painfully obvious like the animal one.
nyaasgem@reddit
Literally no idea, I wasn't there, nor am I their friend to guess.
The "gatcha" part was for the "all AI art is bad" statement.
So if someone can't consistently choose all options correctly in dozens of image pairs then it's not that bad after all, it can be really good especially given the fact that you knew that one of them was generated and you still messed up. Not specifically "you", but anyone who claims this stupid shit just to seethe over something they hate for the sake of hating.
chloapsoap@reddit
You got a 5/12??? How? That was one of the easiest tests Iāve ever taken.
nyaasgem@reddit
Because I have better things to do in life than meticulously analyzing images just to seethe over something that literally does not matter.
anti-gerbil@reddit
10/12 and i only fucked the winter one because the human image was so low res i couldnt read the text and immediately assumed it was ai
Some of those pics are so obvious im surprised you got a score that low. On top of that the human pics are put at a terribly low resolution just so that they can give ai an handicap.
This is a terrible test to prove yourĀ point lmao
The coomer slop suffers from the exact same faults are those artsy slop in that test so i'm not sure what your point is
nyaasgem@reddit
I was more referring to how the coomer AI arts are more likely to be mass-produced on free sites with like 5 prompts as opposed to someone who knows what they're doing and carefully try to lego together dozens of prompts and messing with input variables to get a decent result.
Like there will obviously be a difference between a free Chinese malware site vs something that's being developed by dedicated researchers of generative AI.
My point is that AI far does not give as bad of a job as people make it sound like. If it would then a simple low res image wouldn't stop anyone from detecting a fake one.
It's the same arguement that lossless audiophiles make. Yeah you can hear the difference when you're in a quiet room with your 1000 Euro headset using 100% of your brain power to hear how it's slightly more noisy than mp3. Try hearing the difference on a rattling bus with mid-tier headphones when you're just simply enjoying your music.
dylans0123495@reddit
I got 10/12, and only because i didnt look clode enough at some of them
nyaasgem@reddit
Hmm, it's almost like not all AI art is bad.
The fact that you need to look close while specifically searching for clues that it's AI already tells enough.
It's like saying upscaling technology is shit because zooming in on a still frame you can spot the artifacts.
ihatedyouall@reddit
this test is NOT a good example, if you look for details, you can tell where AI falls flat. The AI does not have "intelligence" to put thought into each little thing like a human, it only knows what the words mean and a rough idea of what to put out, like an average of a series, you know, cause its math.
nyaasgem@reddit
To be fair, I also don't have much intelligence.
Looked pretty good to me.
I'm also really bad at comprehending art, I don't really comprehend symbolism and deeper meanings, if it pleases my eyes then it's good for me.
Probably should've included that information as well...
Circle_Man2000@reddit
I got 11/12, your score might just mean youre kinda a retar...
Vivid-Smell-6375@reddit
11/12
Endulos@reddit
I got 11/12 correct.
BonesWillBeClaimed@reddit
i got 10/12
Dankleburg@reddit
Same, just imagining people who use that quiz as like a āgotchaā looking at AI slop literally unable to tell the difference. Like holy shit bro go to a museum or something
ssrow@reddit
Lmao you know these people don't leave the goon cave
InevitableBoring2031@reddit
Same
Did you also get that one with the black figure in the gray line thingies wrong?
Endulos@reddit
It was ironically the two humans.
phoenix_nz@reddit
11/12. But I also dabble a lot in AI Art for my hobbies. Once you know what to look for even the really abstract stuff like your link becomes obvious.
BanzaiKen@reddit
I got 11/12 and work heavily with AI. One of the major tricks to AI is that as a logical and algorithmic intelligence, it has to take things logically to its conclusion.
Great example is the picture of the two men walking across the white. The AI added in shadows with correct light positioning. Everything makes sense and is uniform. The human however has glaring flaws the artist omitted, shadow, light, horizon positioning.
Another is the view of the skyline. The buildings have errors in their positioning for the human, the angles can be wrong as the reflections. The AI one though, itās uniform, logical as the buildings are oriented precisely, reflect correctly and have a pleasing real world aesthetic.
Once you realize that humanity copes by celebrating its weaknesses and mistakes against the purity and strength of cold steel and silica you begin to understand Ā the depths of despair talentless hacks feel against machine certainty.
anti-gerbil@reddit
The shadow split in two for no reason it is illogical
But its not. Its obviously ai because the building details are completely fucked up while the human one is far more consistent.
Look at the dude face with the flower crown for another comparaison. Everything is recognizable on the human one. On the ai one, one of the eye has a completely different design and most of the crown is made of random colored shape that only looks like flower or plants if you dont focus on them.
BanzaiKen@reddit
Yes it's both, artifacting is very much a thing but that's more an error with the math, most humans dont draw six lobster claws on a palm for giggles. That will improve over time.
anti-gerbil@reddit
>It's both
Both what?
>that's more an error with the math
What mathematical error make the ai think it's logical to turn an elephant trunk into a snake? Or think that's a little girl and an unicorn could be connected by an hair strand? Or completely randomly switch style and perspective in the middle of an abstract illustration of a city?
ssrow@reddit
I get what you're trying to say but imo it's only crappy skilless art that's hard to distinguish between AI work or human. So if an artist is complaining how their art is not being appreciated because people like an AI knockoff of the same style, then I think they need to improve on their storytelling/medium/technical skills.
Goon material wise I don't think it matters anyways lol
anti-gerbil@reddit
Begginer art is still pretty distinct. Try drawing a bunch of stuffs (im assuming you're bad at art) and it will never look like ai no matter how many fuck up you make.
AI main fault is that it will garble things together as it just spit out a mish mash of values. The mistakes made by an ai are mistakes that no human will ever do because the way we and ai think about pictures are fundamentally different.Ā
augustburnsred1@reddit
I got all of these correct lol
VersedFlame@reddit
Bitch, I was failing all of them because I read the rules backwards. I though I had to mark which were made by AI, not by a human. I got 11/12 right.
Zeldacrafter_Swagg@reddit
I got 11/12 lmfao
xRamenator@reddit
lmao I got 11/12 right(didnt look close enough on one), you need to go visit some museums.
Bombalurina@reddit
I want an AI porn edition.
NotMithilius@reddit
9/12 and I deliberately chose wrong twice specifically because I knew this was a test and tried to game it. I think maybe you just haven't noticed the ever-repeating patterns in AI art yet that make it such generic slop.
Superfragger@reddit
the cope from starving artists is insane.
MungYu@reddit
me when i dont know what is sampling bias
Zeldacrafter_Swagg@reddit
Yes because I am NEVER biased and am always 100% correct even when I'm wrong because I'm never actually wrong because I'm the main character
FeeblyBee@reddit
You're a regard
Zeldacrafter_Swagg@reddit
So grue bestie
ihatedyouall@reddit
AI art cannot recreate real art, it does not have a process, you can't recreate the process to get there.
And you can see that process in real art, brushstrokes are visible, even in a lot of digital art. There's form, there's detail, there's little thing that you need to think about putting in there.
AI just averages out your prompt, there is no thought going into the pieces, which is why it fails most of the time.
There is no AI art that is indistinguishable from human art if you look hard enough.
FeeblyBee@reddit
Of course it can, trivially. If the patterns are there, they will be picked up by the system. Deep Learning issensitive to patterns.
ihatedyouall@reddit
It will only detect the pattern of the final product, it does not understand, even in a speedpaint, what the artist is thinking.
There is no pattern to thought
FeeblyBee@reddit
Well, yeah. That doesn't matter to the final product, now does it?
ihatedyouall@reddit
I don't think you get why art is art
FeeblyBee@reddit
I don't think you get what the discussion is about. It's about how it looks, not how you feel about it
HVACGuy12@reddit
I disagree it's easy to tell, and all look like uncanny
FeeblyBee@reddit
Read my comment again, because it seems the point flew over your head as if you were a chatbot from 2010
HVACGuy12@reddit
Show me some good ones then
FeeblyBee@reddit
I'm not sure I can link NSFW here
HVACGuy12@reddit
You can DM it if you'd like
FeeblyBee@reddit
Ok, I sent you some examples
HVACGuy12@reddit
For the record of this thread, I was able to tell which ones were AI that he sent me
FeeblyBee@reddit
Yes, I can confirm that you probably did
anti-gerbil@reddit
Like what?
sealpox@reddit
r/Unstable_Diffusion
ciuccio2000@reddit
To be fair AI porn is pretty decent. The only downside really is that it looks all identical so after a couple goons it feels like you're wanking at the same pic over and over again.
Amount_These@reddit
Even then, it's easy enough to mix it up with different styles if you put in minimum effort messing around with the prompt.
The fact that the vast majority of ai art online doesn't even bother with that is why it all looks terrible. Imo anyway. But nothing would stop you from making better stuff easily if you wanted to.
BipolarMadness@reddit
Is the same problem with people that take a lot of photos yet that doesn't make them professional photographers. And instead of being picky and choosing one single photo to upload, they upload 25 repeating photos of the same thing to their Facebook/Instagram, clogging their profile with crappy pictures.
The same problem with AI, to many people don't even take the effort of quality checking the images and you have an idiot upload 112 AI images in the same post of the same prompt with the same pose just slight AI shit variations, effectively clogging the site with AI slop.
It's the easiness of the medium for people that don't put even the minimum effort.
Zeldacrafter_Swagg@reddit
lmfao
Lev--@reddit
Gotta love the next level seething from the anti ai art people
iwillnotcompromise@reddit
I don't know, somehow AI art is always shaded the same, no matter what style you choose.
Lev--@reddit
how.. how much did you goon for this to happen?
JorgeIronDefcient@reddit
AI porn is shit. TOTAL CLANKER DEATH
jonasnee@reddit
Honestly no, i am sorry, it has the same very plasticky feel all other AI art has.
scalzacrosta@reddit
I saved a set made by single pictures of other sets, so it's like a set of different stuff and not the same all the time.
But like 2 human-made pieces with high quality are so much better, worth a full set of that AI garbage.
I'm using nnn as an excuse to gather lots of stuff in a few folders to have everything organized by the time I lose it, so I don't get my hand sore searching for the right stuff.
standingpretty@reddit
My man is a fingers and toes kind of guyš
JamesJakes000@reddit
Skill issue
Survival_R@reddit
More like taste issue
geofox777@reddit
If it tastes that bad, change your diet. Pineapple can help.
reddsht@reddit
Nah, you heard the man.
ApologizingCanadian@reddit
user error
Tokamak-drive@reddit
Perhaps so. Maybe I just like seeing the life in things, and an already broken toy is no fun to me
omagadokizoo@reddit
Exactly, if you're getting outcompeted by soulless ai slop you need to get good/ stop charging $300 per commission.
Magicaparanoia@reddit
Former nsfw artist here. Iām insulted that people can look at my work and say āai can do this.ā Ai canāt even make somebody with the right amount of fingers and you think it can make an anatomically correct vagina.
axck@reddit
Ai not being able to do fingers was solved in 2023. Like go to any publicly available image generator right now and generate a picture of a hand, and you can see for yourself that this is not an issue. Honestly this just tells me that a lot of you are not paying attention to the pace at which this tech is developing. 1 year of development in AI is an eternity
Magicaparanoia@reddit
I do pay close attention to this stuff. My programmer friend and I have made it a hobby to test the limits of chatgpt and other language models. A couple weeks ago, I asked midjourney to draw a guy holding a tv remote, a beer and a cheeseburger and it didnāt know how to portray that without giving him 3 arms. Oh and all 3 hands had a different amount of fingers for good measure. Beyond that, the background was incomprehensible and didnāt follow any kind of perspective. Image generators are obviously better than what they were last year or even a few months ago, but theyāre not even close to perfect.
garifunu@reddit
For now.
___Khaos___@reddit
you've only recognized the bad ai pictures the rest are so good you didnt even know it was ai
you can literally right now generate locally art that is better than 99% of these seething artists
crackcrackcracks@reddit
Don't care, dont feel like jacking off to it unless I know some dude has slaved away on a graphics tablet for hours to create material for me to nut to.
A1337Xyz@reddit
Oh you can... All of them uses similar key words like "oil painting", "realistic",, most are just copy paste from "good" ones.
Dragonslayer3@reddit
Riza Hawkeye Futa Switch Oil Painting
EvaUnit_03@reddit
Sometimes the shit quality makes it better baitin' material. There's a host of popular artists who are popular for their minimal and uneven artstyle. AI tries too hard to mimic 'perfect' art that's already got plenty of extra help from a computer for the artist.
_Zezz@reddit
You either don't know how to make it good or know anybody that makes it good.
Funnily enough, it takes quite a bit of skill and knowledge to generate good images.
I've had discord pfps made with AI for the longest time and people were asking me who drew them or if I drew them.
Zadkrod@reddit
You're stuck in the past lmao. 2 years ago, yeah it was trash. Now it looks amazing (if you know to write a good prompt.)
ssbbnitewing@reddit
You have, and you didn't know
Ulfricosaure@reddit
Go to rule34, sort by "ai_generated", enjoy your goonsesh.
Impossible-Ad-8462@reddit
Go to rule34, put "ai_generated" to blacklist, your welcome
HankMS@reddit
Seems like all you know is the free tier stuff from bing. More advanced models are pretty good at doing fake realistic people as well as fake furry shit. I use midjourney for my DnD stuff and even the sfw stuff really is great.
rokomotto@reddit
Nah fr. It feels like looking at something alien.
Previous_Air_9030@reddit
Funny story. A friend of mine purchased some art of our characters from a videogame (nothing lewd) and I was told that it cost them $300. Having hired artists before, I thought that was absurd. But, whatever, no skin off my nose. Flash forward 3 MONTHS, which is when the art got finished, and it is quite possibly one of the ugliest things I have ever seen. Oh sure, it was clear the artist put plenty of work into it, but the faces were fucked up beyond belief. Didn't have the heart to tell them I hated it.
TDoggy-Dog@reddit
Please post the art, Iām dying to see
Rogue256@reddit
He paid $300 for those JPEGs just for you to download them for free???????
Dominator616@reddit
I mean, most artists post their comms on their socials either way (unless they personally asked not to), if something it'd be free publicity for them.
Rogue256@reddit
I know Iām kidding, also mocking NFTs
Dominator616@reddit
Oh makes sense, soz Im a bit autistic lol
KingPotus@reddit
You wouldnāt download a car smh
AsasinKa0s@reddit
I'd download a cargo ship if I could get away with it.
TukuMono@reddit
No, car go vroom
AsasinKa0s@reddit
But think of all the canals I could block with 3d printed cargo boats!
enderbornftw@reddit
Thats probably part of a discord scam that has been running for quite a while. An "artist" would randomly message you, practically begging for a commission, trying to convince you by saying they desperately need the money for rent or some surgery
I've had a few like this, always relatively new accounts, generic descriptions and slow replies, probably because they are scamming like 15 people at once
DrillTheThirdHole@reddit
i always waste their time super hard
Dominator616@reddit
Me too lmao, but the last time I did the scammer was really polite, we even had a short conversation about life and stuff, hopefully I impacted the dude's life for the better, tho I doubt it
_4shy@reddit
Yo I've had this exact scam pop up in my DMs many times. I always declined because I make art myself but I didn't think it was a scam. The rent scenario was often used by these people.
Dominator616@reddit
Surprise surprise, it is, and if it isn't stolen art its AI art, which is way worse since you paid for something you could do for free on like 20 different pages
FrazzleFlib@reddit
No actual artist advertises by going into random peoples DMs lmao i cant think of a less efficient way to advertise anything
HVACGuy12@reddit
I had one of them send me "examples." At first, they were actually their art, but when I refused saying their art wasn't good enough for 200 dollars, they suddenly had slightly better art in like 4 different styles. Reverse image search confirmed they just stole other people's art to pass off as their own.
Neganide@reddit
I had few of them, it's funny because most of the Time the art they show as a rƩfƩrence are stolen from other account
Wolfman1012@reddit
A couple friends ofkne are VTubers. I help out by "modding" their discord servers. Modding consists of playing whack-a-mole with art scammets.
GreenFriedTomato@reddit
I think if its cost that much money you deserve to tell the artist itās a piece of shit
ArKadeFlre@reddit
I think he meant telling it to the guy who spent 300$ for this
Previous_Air_9030@reddit
Yeah I wasn't the one who bought it and based on the replies it looks like it's an absurd amount by anyone's measure.
KelticQT@reddit
The thing is your friznd commissioned that artist in particular. So maybe they liked that artist's style which you find ugly af ? Was the comlissioned art similar to their other works ?
Because I personally don't find an issue with commissioning a really talented artist. Never done it and doubt I will just for a random character that I like, but I don't have an issue with those who would
Dominator616@reddit
This. If I showed some of my friends the things I bought/commisioned from my favourite artists they'd probably say its an overpriced piece of crap, but the thing is, I don't love run-of-the-mill super detailed artists, (I mean, I admire and like them as much as everyone does, but personally) I prefer the one's who draw in a more cartoonish way, specially if they use pastel/pinkish colors.
quagzlor@reddit
Depends on the art and the artist. $300 could be reasonable for something really detailed, or for someone in demand or such.
YellowRasperry@reddit
Iād pay 300 for one of those guys that draws the splash arts from league
lucasthebr2121@reddit
Ngl i dont think ai would affect artists that much except like the below average or the expensive but not that great artists
I think actually it just makes a higher standard for artists and the reason they complain is because the standard became a higher one way too quickly and i believe they should complain but at the same time not
Like i think they have a reason to complain but not a good enough justification
And i know this is an unpopular opinion but that is what i believe and if you have a better opinion please comment on it instead of just saying im wrong as i wont learn from such methods of communication
ambermage@reddit
Hey, Picasso!
You fucking blow!!
ambermage@reddit
Hey, Picasso!
You fucking blow!!
H-Adam@reddit
Any artist will tell you that thereās an insane amount of scammers. I had an art piece drawn by an artist and she charged me 20 USD per character and included the background setting for free. 10/10 quality and worth the 100 bucks. She sent me pictures of the progress through the whole process asking for feedback and finished it in like 5-6 hours.
Another āartistā once approached me with a 35 usd starting price and when I paid it, he said āyouāll have to pay me 150 bucks before I can finish itā which is more than triple of what we agreed on. They make you pay a small amount and then double or triple the price and people will pay because theyāre like āi already paid 30 bucks, if I dont go along, iād have paid it for nothingā and ofc they take ages to finish it.
Contemporarium@reddit
š¶ Thatās what charge backs are fooooooooor š¶
DragonHollowFire@reddit
If you still have the contact for that first artist hmu lol.
Contemporarium@reddit
Spent all that time shading the upper lip
Wolfman1012@reddit
Pakushy@reddit
I did this commission back in May 2024 for 69ā¬
GriffithDidNothinBad@reddit
Link broken
Pakushy@reddit
try this one
Dissy-@reddit
weird place to plug but your art is cute at least
Pakushy@reddit
thank you. i didnt mean to plug, I was just trying to put the $$$ in context I guess.
stop_talking_you@reddit
the character is anatomily correct and it has a unique art. a lot of Ai supporters are lacking literally the eye to see difference of artists its weird. people who look to pay commisions are looking for first for the style the artist has and then ask. i can tell instantly if something is AI if its from the most common ones.
Dissy-@reddit
To be fair I've seen proportionally as many drawings with shitty anatomy by real people as I have ai images, the best of a doodler is gonna be better than the best of an ai, but ai is better than the average of everyone's skills, so the average person is gonna get better generated images than if they did it themselves. And any amount of money beyond free is damn near impossible to compete with, so if they want something I'm not surprised they go to ai
Dissy-@reddit
yeah i think that's just how people took it, i've done commissions before from friends and been very happy with them, one actually tried to severely underbill me and i had to be like look dude this took you three weeks on and off, it's worth a little more than $20 lmfao
SoupaMayo@reddit
Really nice, do you have any link where I can follow you ?
Pakushy@reddit
Due to me having purched my twitter account after the new AI changes, my artstation is currently the most complete assembly of my art. I am switching to bluesky, but it does not have a lot of my older art.
Conch-Republic@reddit
That's not how claw machines work.
doggojusticetaway@reddit
So Moon Guard or Wyrmrest?
Shahka_Bloodless@reddit
I've seen people advertising commissions on some rpg subs, custom characters and such. $60 is probably the highest I've seen but man, I wish I had the same false sense of self confidence as most of these artists.
Jozef_Baca@reddit
And this is why you always look at the artists portfolio before commissioning them
HVACGuy12@reddit
I've noticed bad artists overcharge
TellmeNinetails@reddit
it was probably a ych i bet.
GargamelLeNoir@reddit
Didn't you check the rest of his pieces first?
Matt_2504@reddit
It was fine when machines replaced labourers but now theyāre coming for people with useless jobs like artists itās suddenly āunethicalā
casualsquid380@reddit
Ai has no place in art.
Captain_Morgan-@reddit
Yes it have much better place that this shitty contemporary art.
casualsquid380@reddit
Reddit moment.
HayakuEon@reddit
Unlike machines, AI slop requires no skill.
People using machines still require knowledge and skill to operate said machine.
Ulfricosaure@reddit
Writing prompts that do not make it look like slop requires a little bit of skill.
Mafagafinhu@reddit
Bruh this is just a lie, the model matters way more than the prompts, with a bad model is almost impossible to generate a good image, and you can literally copy and paste a good prompt from other person
Ulfricosaure@reddit
How is copying a prompt different from lazily tracing a pre-existent drawing ?
Mafagafinhu@reddit
Copying a prompt is 3 actions, and everyone can do it exactly the same Tracing requires more than 3 actions, and each one will do it differently
What kinda of question is this man? I wasn't talking about tracing
Ulfricosaure@reddit
You explain that anyone can just copy a good prompt made by someone else. I'm telling you that it isn't different than tracing someone else's drawing. In other words, it is not a valid argument against AI.
Also, tracing a drawing is four actions, ooooh: open photoshop, load the image, create a layer, start tracing.
anti-gerbil@reddit
Can you please try tracing any painting of your choice? If it's that easy surely you should be able to get a good result in say, 5min?
Mafagafinhu@reddit
Read again, my argument isn't against AI art, it is against prompting being a skill, which it isn't
And in the context tracing isn't just one action, you can't copy someone art with just one movement like you can pressing ctrl +c on an prompt
And again, if two people copy the same prompt the resulting text is exactly the same, if two people traced the same art, the result will be different
Rechogui@reddit
Well, from tracing at least you are doing something, putting an effort to follow the original lines. And if you don't claim the art you traced is yours, at least you can learn something from the art you traced.
Copying a prompt is literally just ctrl+c ctrl+v
anti-gerbil@reddit
Well
Tracing even the simplest of lineart still take more effort. Even after that you still gotta copy the coloring/rendering and good luck on that if you have 0 skills or knowledge in it.
Rechogui@reddit
Not to mention, a good artist can use a bad program or cheap tools and still make something good. Same can't be said for ai models
Denvosreynaerde@reddit
A machine requires a skilled operator yes, but in a factory setting a single machine can replace multiple unskilled line workers.
Captain_Morgan-@reddit
100%, I remember artists saying 20 years ago that we need to adapt to the new world with their shitty contemporary art.
Look how we replaced them with beautiful AI art instead
tadlombre@reddit
AI porn is shit lmao
twerthe@reddit
I don't like ai porn because it just feels dystopian af to beat it to robot-generated porn.
DankElderberries420@reddit
What a cuck
Tortoise_Knight@reddit
Paying to jerk off is a new low ngl
Tortoise_Knight@reddit
AI generation won't scam you after you pay the comission and then fuck off of existence
OmgJustLetMeExist@reddit
4chan having the worst opinions imaginable, as always
EQGallade@reddit
Itād be funny if Anon didnāt actually think this.
Harepo@reddit
Anon made this thread because he has a sense that using AI art is wrong, but still wants to use it. He probably was gung-ho about AI art early-on, and then when his favourite artists came out and said they didn't like it, he got angry because he didn't want to feel guilty. He has made this thread to try and appeal to the crowd about why he shouldn't feel guilty.
angelis0236@reddit
I don't understand, how is this fake or gay?
TheAdamantiteWaffle@reddit
Fake: anon talks to people, even on the internet
Gay: anon uses AI to make big, buff, oiled up men.
nchetirnadzat@reddit
Or you knowā¦ maybe he just makes fun of part time artist fighting windmills because he is just tired of hearing them seethe all the time that their 200 dollar side-gig is in potential jeopardy( which is not really the case for any artist who is really worth anything, as people still want to see the soul behind the art no matter what), and there is no made up moral dilemma going on inside his head really, because no normal person would really feel guilty for using some fucking AI toolsā¦
Zeldacrafter_Swagg@reddit
No actually normal people would feel guilty for using a technology that is effectively a tool that dulls the mind of people, harms several professionals, and slowly kills the environment. Just because you're unable to feel guilt doesn't mean normal people don't
Cokadoge@reddit
I hope you realize "dulls the mind of people, harms several professionals, and slowly kills the environment" applies to almost every advancement in technology.
"Slowly kills the environment" isn't true on its face as well, Minecraft has likely done as much to hurt the environment if we're going off the metric of 'every processing unit sold, at max capacity, 100% of the time,' which is where this idea that 'AI kills the environment / uses tons of energy' comes from.
Zeldacrafter_Swagg@reddit
Yeah except most progress before AI was useful instead of a tool for the rich to get richer that every lazy slob on the planet latched on to
Funny-Control-6968@reddit
So how did the rich get so rich if AI didn't exist back then?
Zeldacrafter_Swagg@reddit
How incredibly stupid do you have to be to read "this lets the rich get even richer" and think "impossible, the rich were already rich before the thing existed"
Superfragger@reddit
do you believe people driving cars in the 1920s felt guilty about driving cars instead of taking a horse-drawn coach?
Zeldacrafter_Swagg@reddit
Real jobs that contribute to society like sorting spreadsheets? If we're talking about contribution to society CEOs should be the first to go, then you next specifically
Eledridan@reddit
You look at the state of the world today and tell me if people feel guilty or not (spoiler: no one does). Shills certainly donāt feel guilty about finding some garbage, putting a bird on it, and then calling it art.
Harepo@reddit
The word is 'headcanon', and my point isn't that it's impossible not to feel guilty, but that people who make pointlessly angry posts like his are doing so to appeal to the crowd in an effort to deflect from more uncomfortable self-reflection.
nchetirnadzat@reddit
Yeah, why da fuck you believe there is any āself-reflectionā in him, people donāt go through moral dilemmas from using chatGPT, dudeā¦ I donāt know what type of reality you live in. He is just like most people is probably tired of chronically online Twitter crowd whining about being overtaken by AI, itās just that simple.
AsterlovesTedK@reddit
I can just imagine anon taking 20 minutes pre fap to Ai generate what hes gonna fap whit
Visible-Original4561@reddit
All AI does is make uncreative people lazier. Theirās something compelling about spending time and effort to make something youāre proud of that anon will never learn because he only sees art as goon material and not as a actual discipline.
chloapsoap@reddit
You could say that about literally any technology though
Visible-Original4561@reddit
But art has literally been there for humanity since weāve lived in caves. Itās also not only encroached on art but photos too causing misinfo and lies to spread raptly itās literally pandoraās box
Riskypride@reddit
Do you remember the thing that makes Pandoraās box so tricky to deal with? You canāt close it. Doesnāt matter how many petitions get signed or how many people call it unethical AI art will always be arund
JettTheMedic@reddit
Pandoraās box was specifically made to punish humans for defying the gods. What did people do to be punished with AI?
Riskypride@reddit
Idk bro lmao. You made the comparison. Iām just saying nothing anyone can do to stop ai now that itās started. There will always be some website or something hosting a tool to make art easily and there will always be someone using it
JettTheMedic@reddit
im not the op who made the comparison ._.
Isphus@reddit
There's something compelling about the creation of fire. The rubbing of two sticks together in just the right way after carefully collecting dried leaves; the waiting to see whether or not the fire will take so you can cook food or not.
People nowadays will never know that because they all just use matches and lighters or cook with microwaves. They see fire as just burning things instead of warmth and life.
red--dead@reddit
Stenographers went on a 2 year strike or so when the first recording devices came out.
Supercozman@reddit
any one that has ever felt that accomplishment should inherently feel off about ai generated content imo
xemanhunter@reddit
Tl;dr OP is too poor to afford any more furry diaper porn, and would rather ruin the internet in the long run so he can jerk off for free in short term
UncommittedBow@reddit
I want to earn my goon, goddammit! AI takes all the gratification out of it!
96363@reddit
AI can only make that art because of the images of people who have made that art. Without them there would be no future to it
Turbulent-Willow2156@reddit
It's also not that artists don't take anything from others' works to create own.
Consistent_Ant_8903@reddit
I canāt goon to anything not crafted with sexual intent by a human artisan, sorry ai peons.
ihatedyouall@reddit
Sorry, I'm an #ethicalgooner so I like the human part.
#dontgoontorobots
Zorlomort@reddit
r/MechanicalSluts users are seething
ihatedyouall@reddit
this is half human and half robot i made to look 100% like a sexualized woman.
theres no true robots, i was expecting pure METAL
maracaibo98@reddit
Yeah I canāt see myself supporting AI art, Iām friends with artists and Iāve seen the amount of work and effort itās taken for them to reach their level of skill today, punching words into a computer and getting the resulting image just doesnāt sit well with me
If Iām being honest I think AI should be focused on non-creative endeavors, I want machines to do the boring work for me so that I can spend my time drawing and making music, not the other way around
Kekrtolol@reddit
The correct answer. Let machines do the menial, boring shit. People must think and create, it helps them develop (yes, even if it's drawing porn). AIbros are getting it backwards.
NotOnLand@reddit
Everyone whines about all AI art looking awful, but when you don't actively seek it out all you'll be exposed to is the bad shit. If you go somewhere like CivitAI and sort by most popular you'll get tons of really great stuff
Magicaparanoia@reddit
I used to draw nsfw stuff as a side hustle. Part of the problem is how quickly sites like deviantart pushed us aside for the ai shit. It was like as soon as it hit the scene, their algorithm really started pushing it. Along with stricter content restrictions and the ai stuff, they basically alienated their entire user base in a couple months. Tons of artists left, myself included.
anti-gerbil@reddit
Main advantage of ai over artist is the massive time difference. Even if you have the most industrious coomer in the world working on your piece he's never going to beat the computer. The commissioner also has to curate which artist to choose and then come up with an idea of his own with various references, it's far less effort to just type in a few words.Ā
This being said, i've yet to see raw ai art that didnt looks jank as fuck without retouch, artists result looks better usually (imo), are more customizable and sometimes (rarely) they're pretty cool guys.Ā
FrazzleFlib@reddit
Some of its insanely good now, like a year ago i swear it was incapable of doing hands, now its not uncommon for hands and feet to be completely fine. you have to go off of what the lineart looks like now, like if hair weirdly connects to clothing or weird unneccesary lines that do nothing. the one thing AI cannot fucking do whatsoever still is pixel art, its all dogshit lol
anti-gerbil@reddit
I checked most of the first page of r34 for the ai_generated tag and virtually every single pic had fucked up hands. Even with the two best one (who only show a single hand while hiding the fingers) there's very obvious fucked up elements like an arm in the hair, garbled text, assymetrical eyes, etc
Gooddude08@reddit
Thank you for sharing the results of your research, Prof. Anti-Gerbil!
MarinLlwyd@reddit
did you really make a thread for a screenshot of a rhetorical question
A_Blue_Potion@reddit
So far, an AI can't seem make a porn comic without extensive intervention from the user. Which even then, there is such thing as user error.
Honky-Balaam@reddit
it's fun to piss off artists and cry ableism when people get upset over it but i can't imagine actually using ai in the immediate future. snowball effect sure but until it's decent quality and everything's free literally what the fuck would i use it for
Cpt-Kadde@reddit
just give it a year or two then the artists are cooked
2tonegold@reddit
Isn't every green text just arguing against rethorical questions?
AmeriSauce@reddit
I'm pretty degenerate but even I've never gooned to AI imagery or vidya.
durashka228@reddit
Anon tries to justify nutting on furry femboys (it was made for free)
DickviperAU@reddit
Anon hasn't heard of the green site, or from that image the blue and yellow one
ChoiceFudge3662@reddit
I mean, no AIs gonna draw keflas ass as good as d-art does.
FrazzleFlib@reddit
i think its pretty fair for people to be "seething" about their primary income source being massively hurt yeah
LordVaderVader@reddit
"Is the same quality as ai"Ā that's some bullshit. Most of ai generated furry art looks generic asf.
estou_me_perdendo@reddit
AI cannot generate animals that aren't already super popular and/or commercialized
Some local company tried to sell some zomg capy merch, but the generated images they used were all just squirrels and also had some weird white gradient on their face
NwahsInc@reddit
Written like a true conoissuer.
Thegreen9@reddit
If I'm going to give money to an artist it will be to a good one who draws well, not to any guy who doodles.
Succubia@reddit
Paying more than 60-80ā¬ for a full-body art is to me mostly a scam
GiganticMuscleFreak@reddit
I hate gooners I hate edgers I hate coomers
You've all made my cyberspace experience so much worse
toomuchradiation@reddit
Bot art is boring and looks the same.
SuvorovNapoleon@reddit
It's unethical because you can get AI to create scenarios that the actual person won't do.
Dr_Axton@reddit
While AI can make some good pics, itās still not as good as a personās work. But who knows what will happen in the future
blitzlurker@reddit
it's not meant to be a stand alone art maker, artists who are adapting are already using AI to create references or bases that they can alter themselves
only artists who refuse to adapt will get left behind by AI