The point is that for all this copium about ' I'm so much smarter than all these other subhumans, obviously me having godlike power is empirical proof of it ', he was still no better than a petty criminal in the end.
If you want a smart character done right, Lelouch from code geass is a great example. The whole show is pretty much hamlet with mechs, but it still holds up nearly 20 years later.
too much text on manga, too much talking on anime.
I dont want to internalize some made-up game rules each episode/volume. that shit gets old after the 20th time - especially after the endless death-game clones that came out around 2000s to 2010s.
its like the epitome of "tell, don't show" - endless tutorial and rule explanation.
Now you truly made a fool of yourself as almost all of them are indeed straight and therefore it's not really gay to enjoy a little bit of it once in a while. Sexual preferences is a social construct anyway, and I even caught my two male dogs go at each other once (who are both VERY straight btw).
The only issue I really had with it is they truly fast tracked "the betrayal". They should have had a number of episodes of different key people coming to the same conclusion that they themselves might be under the affect of Geass.
As it stands they kinda just take a plot specific characters word for it lol. It was essentially just trust me bro you are under Geass now go die for me.
Lelouch never gets to show off against anyone intelligent. His feats involve him running circles around characters as smart as Misa and Matsuda from Death Note.
I watched 1 episode and the main ability seems like cheating to me and the mech battle wasn't particularly strategic entertainment either. What's the appeal?
Without spoiling anything, the show has incredibly strong characterisations to the point I did a critical analysis of it contrasting it to Gesta Danorum as part of my college apps.
Also it has one of the best endings in anime of all time. It's a very short anime, only 50 eps long, I would highly encourage you to give it a shot in your free time. I can confidently say that this will be seen as a staple alongside giants like legend of the galactic heroes and psycho pass.
Light was very much supposed to be narcissistic. Everything you said was very much intentional by the author, who stated that Light had a mental breakdown after the first kill.
The TV thing helps L deduce what region of Japan Kira lives in, the victims and their time of death helps him work out it’s a high schooler with access to police files. He basically figured out it’s a high schooler in a specific region of Japan who’s dad is in the police after like a day on the case lmao, Light was never going to win
He did, he specifies "hacking" into his father's computer and getting the files, and he did it until well into the investigation until the cops were split into the special unit
Then Light says something about deleting his tampering on his dad's pc
Later on he "hacks" Yotsuba cyber security to get files or something so the manga/anime makes it clear that's one of his skills
Light did not have to hack into police files to be Kira and accomplish his goals. He also would never have been caught had he not fucked with police files. So he would have got away with it all if he never did that.
Makes more sense in the context of the show. The deaths only happen outside school hours, and some of the criminals names weren’t revealed to the public and could only be found in police documents
Bro if a killer can kill without being present why is the logical conclusion that he has to be in a certain area to get PUBLIC INFO and also especially when japan has subways that travel the entire country around like the killer couldnt just be moving buy
L dies and immediately after white-haired L shows up to save the day. Detail: the guy was never mentioned before. The story left me feeling like if white-haired L died then yet another L clone would show up, this time with blue hair idk.
Such is the tragic fate of series that get incredibly popular: the publisher will basically force the author to keep extending the series for as long as it is profitable.
Easily worst part of the series. New smarter white hair L who's EVEN YOUNGER and is from the same GENIUS ORPHANAGE L was from. A classic case of too much backstory removing everything interesting from a character
This. I just pretend the end of the series is the timeskip when Light is visiting his family before the events of the 2nd half.
Death note was the perfect series to have an anti-hero ending. Instead they go and ruin it with the whole Near arc....then have justice prevail in the end.
I understand it's a full circle story of any human that's gets their hands on the book will always suffer misfortune, but damn. All these years later I'm still kinda pissed Light lost at the end of the day.
He had to get an actual god of death to intervene because L was closing in and then two literal children came along and used L’s work to catch him anyway
Light could have just got Shinigami eyes at anytime and killed L like that, but he wanted to live as long as he could. And getting another shinigami involved is fine it still involved his own intellect to make the plan.
Honestly he would have beat the 2 people in the end if he didn't rely on incompetent people like that guy. He did beat Mello
The shinigami intervening didnt reflect his intellect though. Him getting caught meant Mia was going to get caught so she saved him. Mia basically threw herself at him the moment they met so their fates were always intertwined with no meaningful input on Light’s part. Light was essentially invincible the moment he met Mia.
And it still took 37 episodes L dying two fucking dumbass kids coming on board all for light to just up and say he's kira for them to finally start suspecting he's kira
He had several magical powers that no one else could explain at his disposal, and a way to instantly kill the only guy who could get him, all he needed was a name. Light always had the upper hand, even when he started getting trailed hard...to me, it felt like L was fighting an uphill battle the entire time.
L’s name was never actually revealed in the show, only in the “extra chapter” of the book did we learn it, which meant outside of:
A) Having Shinigami eyes, which he didn’t make the deal for, and
B) Actually physically killing L, which was impossible,
there was no way for Light HIMSELF to kill L. L did eventually get domed by a Death Note, but it was through a very exhaustive series of manipulation by Light on Misa and Rem.
Yeah the issue was he wasn’t careful from the start. You have to randomize as much as possible and think about your OPSEC for weeks or months even before doing anything.
How To Read 13 also confirms that L clocked Light on their first meeting, there really was no amount of wiggling that rationally would have saved Light after Episode 2 and the natural fallout of it.
Even without the TV thing, he would have either been forced into a battle L, no? L would have investigated the families of the task force regardless and Light would have had to play up to him or get caught.
Right? Raye Penber was clearing him out, all Light had to do was to sit down and have a real date instead of going full Imperius curse and fuck things up
Pretty sure that's a designed character flaw. Light is a top level student and feels morally/intellectually superior to everyone else in his life. He's not really as smart as he thinks he is and this causes him to let his ego take the wheel. He was just a big fish in a small pond at the end of the day.
I still hate the 2nd half of the anime though and wish it just ended with Light outplaying L.
What makes you say that? L already determined it was a student in Japan, and Kanto is the most populous region. Light confirmed his general location earlier than he needed to by being baited, but just by using the note he was generating evidence all along.
L was the only person smart enough to stop Light (at the time, lol), so if Light was going to become god of a new world then one eliminating the other was inevitable.
He made everyone die by heart attacks so people would realize there was a higher power behind the scenes who would indiscriminately kill criminals, his goal was to eliminate crime through literal fear of god
Most East Asians aren't religious, let alone Christian, and this includes Japan. Shintoism/Buddhist afterlife beliefs are not the "hellfire and brimstone" hell that's prevalent in Christianity,. The exception is South Koreans, where a sizable but minority amount of the population is Christian
Criminals already know they can go to jail. If they know that if they commit a heinous crime they will have a heart attack and die, they'll probably commit less crime
There are entire religions that promise infinite and eternal agony for people who commit certain actions, but even that doesn’t stop them from committing those actions. It doesn’t matter what the punishment for crime is, or how that punishment is carried out, there will always be people who think they can get away with it, or who are so desperate to commit that specific action they will accept any punishment for it.
Oh it would absolutely change a lot of people’s behavior, I don’t doubt that. But as I said, there would always be someone who thinks they could get away with it.
And another thing, it would do absolutely nothing about people who commit crimes because they feel as if they have no other choice. For example, people who become criminals for money because they’re poor and their job doesn’t pay enough, and consequences be damned, they have mouths to feed and rent to pay.
I read like the first 3 mangas. Yea I know this is his motivation. I'm saying it's stupid because in real life harsher penalties tend not to reduce crime. Criminals aren't often super rational and to them a 10 year sentence feels as if it was a death penalty.
You can disagree about what would happen in real life, but it is canon that violent crime rates significantly dropped in the death note world. Maybe you think this point is irrelevant, but it still stands that within the death note world there's a strong argument to be made for light.
Light is just a peak libertarian. Doesn't believe in taxes and sure as hell doesnt want his taxes going to fund criminals getting a warm cot with 3 meals a day.
He was really just doing the Japanese tax payers a service.
Because woke regards, redditors ans imbeciles will release these criminals after they've been asked pretty nicely not to do that again because mah rehabilitation and study says.
Light Yagami was quite literally the opposite of an edgy virgin...he even had a girlfriend purely because he needed a cover and knew he could get one. He's got the combo of looks, book smarts, and prestige given his Dad's position.
He's a narcissist with a god-complex. So I'll give you edgy, but the rest is completely missing who his character was in an attempt to make him seem worse.
Light is still one of the most intelligent and manipulative characters in all of anime. That's just a fact.
The way L found out about Kira through some television broadcasted just in one part of japan where kira lives is still some bs like what if the killer was just passing by through kanto espacially when japan has those fucking bullet subways that travel through the entire japan.
It still skips through so much logical shit like if the killer can kill without being present then why does the killer have to be in the exact specific region to know about an information presented only there
The way L found out about Kira through some television broadcasted just in one part of japan where kira lives is still some bs like what if the killer was just passing by through kanto espacially when japan has those fucking bullet subways that travel through the entire japan
like I get it, it's the early 2000s, but news on the internet still existed
Like if he was really smart he'd learn multiple languages, get a VPN, and go to multiple news websites that are in different languages/regions so that way he can track international criminals.
And also since he'd be using a VPN and multiple languages, he couldn't be tracked. As long as it was random.
The most authorities could conclude is that he uses the internet and a VPN.
The biggest point of failure would be the VPN company.
If the VPN noticed that a death would occur on there network, or if the authorities asked for everyone on the VPN network.
But that's also a pretty big easy fix and just time the deaths for later.
The way he stored the notebook though, super smart, really cool/good idea. My only tweak/upgrade:
Would be to use a metal desk and not a wooden one.
Putting fire in a wooden desk is probably a terrible idea
"I need to let L get close to me so I can kill him."
"Or you can just keep doing what you're doing and never be caught since L doesn't know you have access to police files and you can know if he's making new moves in his investigation."
And L only knew that Kira was a student because of the time patterns. Light knew how the death note worked, he could've written "criminal kills himself at 3AM" and there would be no way for L to know it's a student.
Yeah, that would have helped too, but he didn't need to change the times.
Light did all the killings the way he was doing them and fell for the fake L in Ep. 2. If he did nothing else, even if Light didn't change the times, that's still way too many suspects for L to ever track.
I rewatched Death Note recently and one of the things I really enjoyed is that Light isn't perfect. So many people who write genius characters make them perfect so seeing Light screw up even if he is smart really made for good stakes. I think that's what made it work so well.
He was pretty slow in setting up contingencies that could make it harder to narrow down who Kira was, should have set up kills outside school time way earlier like right away for example, with such a weak ego he was insanely easy to bait into doing things that narrowed it down. Light was a genius who thought he was an even bigger genius which is a very stupid move.
He was lucky L wanted a "win" through proving with hard facts or confession he was Kira and didn't just go "I know its you and I can get and have gotten a gun punk".
That's part of the point? Light is masking his megalomania behind an aura of virtue. He can't stand being challenged because he is not a hero, he's a dangerous person who was given the opportunity to enact vengeance on those he saw as inferior, and be praised for it.
L knew that, he knew that the murderer wouldn't be able to resist after having his power challenged because he knew that Kira was a serial killer, not a god.
The appeal of Light as a character lies in his extravagance and arrogance. Plus he seems to enjoy the cat-and-mouse game with L. The show wouldn't have worked otherwise.
Character can just chose to not have characteristics or flaws, but he choses not to. Why? Is it because this is a story that needs something to drive the plot? No ...
If he went after politicians or corporations, he wouldn't have been caught. White collar crimes are also more prevalent nowadays, and the police is powerless against them.
L isn't a cop, if he went after white collar criminals then someone from the private sector would have hired L or one of his aliases and the chase would happen anyways.
The one-shots after the series do a good job of addressing alternative concepts like this ("what if a Kira just killed old people?" and "what if a Kira decided to just sell the Death Note?"), it'd be cool to see this one.
I love Death Note and when I watched it for the first time, I was impressed by the intelligence of the protagonists.
When I watched it a second time, I couldn't believe how stupid light was for killing "L" on TV and abusing police data. Without one of those two things, he would've made it.
Tengokuoppai@reddit
There were a million ways for Light to win and the author to still get his point across.
VonFatalis@reddit
The point is that for all this copium about ' I'm so much smarter than all these other subhumans, obviously me having godlike power is empirical proof of it ', he was still no better than a petty criminal in the end.
If you want a smart character done right, Lelouch from code geass is a great example. The whole show is pretty much hamlet with mechs, but it still holds up nearly 20 years later.
WorkerClass@reddit
Liar Game has much better battles of wits with less plot armor.
rkoy1234@reddit
too much text on manga, too much talking on anime.
I dont want to internalize some made-up game rules each episode/volume. that shit gets old after the 20th time - especially after the endless death-game clones that came out around 2000s to 2010s.
its like the epitome of "tell, don't show" - endless tutorial and rule explanation.
B3ER@reddit
Code Geass is so good that AoT is just a spinoff of it at this point.
DonnieMoistX@reddit
How is attack on Titan even similar at all?
B3ER@reddit
AoT is also a mecha anime but with meat.
Fucanelli@reddit
Fuck me, I didn't even realize until you pointed it out
PotentPNut@reddit
Basically just the ending
CaseClosedEmail@reddit
That is just so random. Nothing in common my guy
DingoManDingo@reddit
"Like imagine if I told you to kill all humans lol. Wait, I was just kidding! Chill!"
bulkasmakom@reddit
Well, he WAS joking, author just had to do "character development"
VonFatalis@reddit
It's okay 14yo me long forgave him for that dumbass moment cos he's hot.
iDarCo@reddit
Bro Code Geass was so peak, couldn't believe I put off watching it for 5 years coz it sounded like Code Gay Ass
Mekosaurus@reddit
You watch anime, gay stuff is the least of your concerns
iDarCo@reddit
Used to watch anime* Now I just watch gay porn. It's less gay
reverends3rvo@reddit
Most of those dudes are straight anyway.
wristcontrol@reddit
Uh, anon...
RealBillyGnosis@reddit
Now you truly made a fool of yourself as almost all of them are indeed straight and therefore it's not really gay to enjoy a little bit of it once in a while. Sexual preferences is a social construct anyway, and I even caught my two male dogs go at each other once (who are both VERY straight btw).
ShimmRow@reddit
This comment made reignited my love for humanity (I'm a gay robot sent by asexual aliens to spy on you).
reverends3rvo@reddit
Gay for pay. lol Its not an insignificant number.
Purplefilth22@reddit
The only issue I really had with it is they truly fast tracked "the betrayal". They should have had a number of episodes of different key people coming to the same conclusion that they themselves might be under the affect of Geass.
As it stands they kinda just take a plot specific characters word for it lol. It was essentially just trust me bro you are under Geass now go die for me.
SchismZero@reddit
Lelouch never gets to show off against anyone intelligent. His feats involve him running circles around characters as smart as Misa and Matsuda from Death Note.
cosplay-degenerate@reddit
I watched 1 episode and the main ability seems like cheating to me and the mech battle wasn't particularly strategic entertainment either. What's the appeal?
VonFatalis@reddit
Without spoiling anything, the show has incredibly strong characterisations to the point I did a critical analysis of it contrasting it to Gesta Danorum as part of my college apps.
Also it has one of the best endings in anime of all time. It's a very short anime, only 50 eps long, I would highly encourage you to give it a shot in your free time. I can confidently say that this will be seen as a staple alongside giants like legend of the galactic heroes and psycho pass.
cosplay-degenerate@reddit
>Short anime
>50 episodes
Bro. 12-24 episodes is the current standard length, lol.
But I did like the legend of galactic heroes and also psycho-pass.
VampiroMedicado@reddit
I'd say 8-12, 24 feels like a thing of the past.
WiseBelt8935@reddit
plus you can't forget the famous soap store
r3ddit_is_cancer@reddit
The only show I've seen 5 times in the past 20 years.
BotAccount2849@reddit
Light was very much supposed to be narcissistic. Everything you said was very much intentional by the author, who stated that Light had a mental breakdown after the first kill.
sillaf27@reddit
Code Geass is goated
ExistingCleric0@reddit
Did too much too early and got baited by that TV thing L did. Light lost in episode 2.
Ordo_Liberal@reddit
The TV thing is not enough. There's millions of people living in that city.
Reux18@reddit
The TV thing helps L deduce what region of Japan Kira lives in, the victims and their time of death helps him work out it’s a high schooler with access to police files. He basically figured out it’s a high schooler in a specific region of Japan who’s dad is in the police after like a day on the case lmao, Light was never going to win
DonnieMoistX@reddit
Nah Light didn’t have to have access to the Police files to do what he did and if he had never used them, he would have never been caught.
MaeSolug@reddit
He did, he specifies "hacking" into his father's computer and getting the files, and he did it until well into the investigation until the cops were split into the special unit
Then Light says something about deleting his tampering on his dad's pc
Later on he "hacks" Yotsuba cyber security to get files or something so the manga/anime makes it clear that's one of his skills
DonnieMoistX@reddit
You didn’t understand what I said.
Light did not have to hack into police files to be Kira and accomplish his goals. He also would never have been caught had he not fucked with police files. So he would have got away with it all if he never did that.
JOKERPOKER112@reddit
That's sounds so bullshit and skiping steps
Reux18@reddit
Makes more sense in the context of the show. The deaths only happen outside school hours, and some of the criminals names weren’t revealed to the public and could only be found in police documents
JOKERPOKER112@reddit
Bro if a killer can kill without being present why is the logical conclusion that he has to be in a certain area to get PUBLIC INFO and also especially when japan has subways that travel the entire country around like the killer couldnt just be moving buy
Oshootman@reddit
I mean to be fair to my main kami of the new world, Light DID win. The author just pulled a second L out of his ass after.
cosplay-degenerate@reddit
I don't think "ass pull" is an apt descriptor for that scene.
CremousDelight@reddit
L dies and immediately after white-haired L shows up to save the day. Detail: the guy was never mentioned before. The story left me feeling like if white-haired L died then yet another L clone would show up, this time with blue hair idk.
Arcterion@reddit
Such is the tragic fate of series that get incredibly popular: the publisher will basically force the author to keep extending the series for as long as it is profitable.
fat_nuts_big_buttz@reddit
Easily worst part of the series. New smarter white hair L who's EVEN YOUNGER and is from the same GENIUS ORPHANAGE L was from. A classic case of too much backstory removing everything interesting from a character
ArmedWithBars@reddit
This. I just pretend the end of the series is the timeskip when Light is visiting his family before the events of the 2nd half.
Death note was the perfect series to have an anti-hero ending. Instead they go and ruin it with the whole Near arc....then have justice prevail in the end.
I understand it's a full circle story of any human that's gets their hands on the book will always suffer misfortune, but damn. All these years later I'm still kinda pissed Light lost at the end of the day.
cosplay-degenerate@reddit
I thought we were talking about the tv scene in episode 2.
Dqueezy@reddit
Super sayan blue L
Coral2Reef@reddit
Or, if you watched the OVA, Ryuk just fucking wrote his botch ass name down in the note to knock him down a peg after Light declared himself a god.
I kinda like that one better.
Maxbonzoo@reddit
Light literally did win though. Although he could have avoided that in the first place if he had a smaller ego and just ignored L
Reux18@reddit
He had to get an actual god of death to intervene because L was closing in and then two literal children came along and used L’s work to catch him anyway
Sensitive_Potato_775@reddit
L almost won a game he didn't even know the rules of. And he was fighting against the power of gods of death. It's crazy how much smarter L was.
Chadzuma@reddit
He had to be handcuffed to anime Patrick Bateman for months though while watching him date his oshi, can we really call that winning?
MaeSolug@reddit
His numbers of friends increased again, so yeah, L was pretty happy in that moment
Maxbonzoo@reddit
Light could have just got Shinigami eyes at anytime and killed L like that, but he wanted to live as long as he could. And getting another shinigami involved is fine it still involved his own intellect to make the plan.
Honestly he would have beat the 2 people in the end if he didn't rely on incompetent people like that guy. He did beat Mello
BlazinAmazen@reddit
The shinigami intervening didnt reflect his intellect though. Him getting caught meant Mia was going to get caught so she saved him. Mia basically threw herself at him the moment they met so their fates were always intertwined with no meaningful input on Light’s part. Light was essentially invincible the moment he met Mia.
Maxbonzoo@reddit
Only reliable teammate he had honestly. Either way with his 200iq brain he probably would have found another way to win if she never showed up
qwe12a12@reddit
I mean the game wasn't really over until he decided in his infinite wisdom to go after the FBI agents.
kylerittenhouse1833@reddit
And it still took 37 episodes L dying two fucking dumbass kids coming on board all for light to just up and say he's kira for them to finally start suspecting he's kira
Chadzuma@reddit
"The team of detectives kind of forgot Light was the primary suspect for the entire case up to L's death"
kylerittenhouse1833@reddit
A whole ass team
Higuos@reddit
This reminds me how good this show was
Eduardobobys@reddit
He had several magical powers that no one else could explain at his disposal, and a way to instantly kill the only guy who could get him, all he needed was a name. Light always had the upper hand, even when he started getting trailed hard...to me, it felt like L was fighting an uphill battle the entire time.
daemon-of-harrenhal@reddit
I've seen a few episodes years ago so I can't really remember much, but why didn't Light just fucking kill L?
ghost521@reddit
L’s name was never actually revealed in the show, only in the “extra chapter” of the book did we learn it, which meant outside of:
A) Having Shinigami eyes, which he didn’t make the deal for, and
B) Actually physically killing L, which was impossible,
there was no way for Light HIMSELF to kill L. L did eventually get domed by a Death Note, but it was through a very exhaustive series of manipulation by Light on Misa and Rem.
daemon-of-harrenhal@reddit
Ahhh, got you. Man I'd completely forgotten the most basic premise of the show lmao.
edbods@reddit
makes me wonder if L could find out within a day or two where shia's flag was by himself
A_Dragon@reddit
Yeah the issue was he wasn’t careful from the start. You have to randomize as much as possible and think about your OPSEC for weeks or months even before doing anything.
Aware_Ad_618@reddit
Yeah but most people wouldn’t have deduced that hence the brilliance of the manga. It’s a game of wits. Sherlock Holmes 2.0
ElephantGun345@reddit
Yea, if he hadn’t gotten baited on the tv shit he might not have gotten caught
accountnumberseven@reddit
How To Read 13 also confirms that L clocked Light on their first meeting, there really was no amount of wiggling that rationally would have saved Light after Episode 2 and the natural fallout of it.
Oshootman@reddit
Even without the TV thing, he would have either been forced into a battle L, no? L would have investigated the families of the task force regardless and Light would have had to play up to him or get caught.
qwe12a12@reddit
If he avoided killing the FBI members in the dumbest way possible he would have been fine.
MaeSolug@reddit
Right? Raye Penber was clearing him out, all Light had to do was to sit down and have a real date instead of going full Imperius curse and fuck things up
qwe12a12@reddit
Yeah on rewatch you can track how every single thing that goes bad for light only happens because he handled that situation in the worst way possible.
ArmedWithBars@reddit
Pretty sure that's a designed character flaw. Light is a top level student and feels morally/intellectually superior to everyone else in his life. He's not really as smart as he thinks he is and this causes him to let his ego take the wheel. He was just a big fish in a small pond at the end of the day.
I still hate the 2nd half of the anime though and wish it just ended with Light outplaying L.
JJonah_Jamesonn@reddit
Nah there is no way they are catching his ass got baited by his ego
Oshootman@reddit
What makes you say that? L already determined it was a student in Japan, and Kanto is the most populous region. Light confirmed his general location earlier than he needed to by being baited, but just by using the note he was generating evidence all along.
L was the only person smart enough to stop Light (at the time, lol), so if Light was going to become god of a new world then one eliminating the other was inevitable.
Jack-of-Hearts-7@reddit
He could have walked away after that and won. But no, he let his pride win.
Hubris always wins.
Yoshbyte@reddit
You’re very well regarded my friend
mooimafish33@reddit
I'm not a weeaboo, but didn't he just kill a bunch of people who were already known criminals? Then started killing the dudes trying to catch him?
What a loser lmao, why kill criminals that are already caught?
To me the message behind death note is that even with absolute power if you act too much like an edgy virgin your life is still gonna suck.
TheNewOP@reddit
He made everyone die by heart attacks so people would realize there was a higher power behind the scenes who would indiscriminately kill criminals, his goal was to eliminate crime through literal fear of god
CremousDelight@reddit
Should've just made people explode like pinatas instead, would've scared the shit out of everyone else lol.
mooimafish33@reddit
Don't a bunch of people already believe they will spend an eternity suffering in a lake of fire if they sin and still regularly sin?
qwe12a12@reddit
The point of the show was that he was dumb and wrong.
DonnieMoistX@reddit
People believe shit a lot stronger when there’s blatant evidence of it.
DIAL8_TRAINEE@reddit
I think there's a difference of robbing a bank and praying for forgiveness and then there's stealing shoes KNOWING you'll have a heart attack for it.
TheNewOP@reddit
Most East Asians aren't religious, let alone Christian, and this includes Japan. Shintoism/Buddhist afterlife beliefs are not the "hellfire and brimstone" hell that's prevalent in Christianity,. The exception is South Koreans, where a sizable but minority amount of the population is Christian
mooimafish33@reddit
I know, I'm just saying that a literal fear of God doesn't actually deter crime.
TheNewOP@reddit
Idk, I'd make the argument that if humans knew for sure that god existed and was killing criminals, crime would probably drop
Maedroas@reddit
Criminals already know they can go to jail. If they know that if they commit a heinous crime they will have a heart attack and die, they'll probably commit less crime
Pretty basic stuff
Kryslor@reddit
You should look up how the death penalty reduces crime. It doesn't.
Maedroas@reddit
you should look up the real life super natural killing of criminals by an otherworldly force and see how it reduces crime rates
Darth_Taco_777@reddit
There are entire religions that promise infinite and eternal agony for people who commit certain actions, but even that doesn’t stop them from committing those actions. It doesn’t matter what the punishment for crime is, or how that punishment is carried out, there will always be people who think they can get away with it, or who are so desperate to commit that specific action they will accept any punishment for it.
CremousDelight@reddit
As I understand it's a balance between how easy it is to get caught, level of punishment, and the guy's mood on any particular day.
Maedroas@reddit
Those are based on faith and not actual real world consequences
If you don't think literal supernatural fatal consequences would change people's behavior you are fuckin cooked
Darth_Taco_777@reddit
Oh it would absolutely change a lot of people’s behavior, I don’t doubt that. But as I said, there would always be someone who thinks they could get away with it.
And another thing, it would do absolutely nothing about people who commit crimes because they feel as if they have no other choice. For example, people who become criminals for money because they’re poor and their job doesn’t pay enough, and consequences be damned, they have mouths to feed and rent to pay.
squishles@reddit
he'd be caught by the police system audit logs before criminals figured out that shit's happening
mooimafish33@reddit
So it's just some weird pro-death penalty thing?
I know this is a support group for lonely men, but can I post this?
Maedroas@reddit
He wasn't killing only criminals that got the death penalty
If every criminal who got 10+ years for a violent crime were violently killed and televised on tv do you not think the crime rates would change?
I'm not advocating for this but that very clearly was the motivation if you actually read/watched the series
mooimafish33@reddit
I read like the first 3 mangas. Yea I know this is his motivation. I'm saying it's stupid because in real life harsher penalties tend not to reduce crime. Criminals aren't often super rational and to them a 10 year sentence feels as if it was a death penalty.
ccznen@reddit
The current state of El Salvador strongly contradicts this point. The country reduced murders to zero by locking up all the murderers.
mooimafish33@reddit
Obviously locking up a criminal stops them from committing crime. What I'm saying is that it doesn't often deter future criminals.
PotentPNut@reddit
You can disagree about what would happen in real life, but it is canon that violent crime rates significantly dropped in the death note world. Maybe you think this point is irrelevant, but it still stands that within the death note world there's a strong argument to be made for light.
Maedroas@reddit
Yeah but in real life there isn't an international sensation of violent criminals being killed by an otherworldly force
mooimafish33@reddit
Yea but this is so lame. Like why be some weird bootlicker instead of killing dictators and stuff?
go86em@reddit
Tfw Bootlicker = killing criminals
ArmedWithBars@reddit
Light is just a peak libertarian. Doesn't believe in taxes and sure as hell doesnt want his taxes going to fund criminals getting a warm cot with 3 meals a day.
He was really just doing the Japanese tax payers a service.
A_for_Anonymous@reddit
Because woke regards, redditors ans imbeciles will release these criminals after they've been asked pretty nicely not to do that again because mah rehabilitation and study says.
Vox_SFX@reddit
Light Yagami was quite literally the opposite of an edgy virgin...he even had a girlfriend purely because he needed a cover and knew he could get one. He's got the combo of looks, book smarts, and prestige given his Dad's position.
He's a narcissist with a god-complex. So I'll give you edgy, but the rest is completely missing who his character was in an attempt to make him seem worse.
Light is still one of the most intelligent and manipulative characters in all of anime. That's just a fact.
mooimafish33@reddit
Ngl I think most anime protagonists come off as edgy virgins.
Vox_SFX@reddit
Fair enough (looks at shounen genre)
dinnerbird@reddit
I'd like to see a version that takes place in Poland where Light can't kill anyone because he can never get the spelling right
Free-Design-8329@reddit
India would be pretty funny
Pajeet patel would take out half the country
MrJagaloon@reddit
Is t that why he needed to see their face?
Ye-Hu@reddit
They all look the same lol
Absolute_leech@reddit
John Doe, cums to death Jane Doe, cums to death Billy Doe, cums to death Michelle Doe, cums to death Mike Doe, cums to death Jeff Doe, cums to death
If I have to experience the deaths of everyone I killed I’m gonna have some fun with it
lengting2209@reddit
You forget Mr. Pea Doe my good sir
Absolute_leech@reddit
Stabbed to death in prison
JOKERPOKER112@reddit
The way L found out about Kira through some television broadcasted just in one part of japan where kira lives is still some bs like what if the killer was just passing by through kanto espacially when japan has those fucking bullet subways that travel through the entire japan.
It still skips through so much logical shit like if the killer can kill without being present then why does the killer have to be in the exact specific region to know about an information presented only there
JOKERPOKER112@reddit
The way L found out about Kira through some television broadcasted just in one part of japan where kira lives is still some bs like what if the killer was just passing by through kanto espacially when japan has those fucking bullet subways that travel through the entire japan
Kynandra@reddit
My dumbass would probably use the paper to practice my signature.
nephyou@reddit
It's a mid show for midwit type people, not sure why people are so surprised here.
newbreed69@reddit
The stupid thing he did was get his news from TV
like I get it, it's the early 2000s, but news on the internet still existed
Like if he was really smart he'd learn multiple languages, get a VPN, and go to multiple news websites that are in different languages/regions so that way he can track international criminals.
And also since he'd be using a VPN and multiple languages, he couldn't be tracked. As long as it was random.
The most authorities could conclude is that he uses the internet and a VPN.
The biggest point of failure would be the VPN company.
If the VPN noticed that a death would occur on there network, or if the authorities asked for everyone on the VPN network.
But that's also a pretty big easy fix and just time the deaths for later.
The way he stored the notebook though, super smart, really cool/good idea. My only tweak/upgrade:
Would be to use a metal desk and not a wooden one.
Putting fire in a wooden desk is probably a terrible idea
SlySychoGamer@reddit
He had a god complex so yes.
Most people would grow mad with power...literally the saying "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"
WorkerClass@reddit
Oh god yes.
L, on his own, deduced Kira was a Japanese student. If Light just left it there, that's still millions of people that L couldn't possibly track.
PotentPNut@reddit
Also light was purposely trying to get close to L, if not for that then yea he was basically untraceable.
WorkerClass@reddit
"I need to let L get close to me so I can kill him."
"Or you can just keep doing what you're doing and never be caught since L doesn't know you have access to police files and you can know if he's making new moves in his investigation."
Seriously, Light was an idiot.
Sensitive_Potato_775@reddit
And L only knew that Kira was a student because of the time patterns. Light knew how the death note worked, he could've written "criminal kills himself at 3AM" and there would be no way for L to know it's a student.
WorkerClass@reddit
Yeah, that would have helped too, but he didn't need to change the times.
Light did all the killings the way he was doing them and fell for the fake L in Ep. 2. If he did nothing else, even if Light didn't change the times, that's still way too many suspects for L to ever track.
Super-Soyuz@reddit
Kira forwent killing evil ass dictators and CEOs and went after the real villains in society... random street criminals
Jack-of-Hearts-7@reddit
Yes
Putrid-Tough4014@reddit
No
Autumn_Fire@reddit
I rewatched Death Note recently and one of the things I really enjoyed is that Light isn't perfect. So many people who write genius characters make them perfect so seeing Light screw up even if he is smart really made for good stakes. I think that's what made it work so well.
Masterblader158@reddit
He was pretty slow in setting up contingencies that could make it harder to narrow down who Kira was, should have set up kills outside school time way earlier like right away for example, with such a weak ego he was insanely easy to bait into doing things that narrowed it down. Light was a genius who thought he was an even bigger genius which is a very stupid move.
He was lucky L wanted a "win" through proving with hard facts or confession he was Kira and didn't just go "I know its you and I can get and have gotten a gun punk".
Honestonus@reddit
Basically, both are geniuses
But both have some kind of tism
And also tism is what drives the plot for most anime basically
MiruCle8@reddit
Reposting
MiruCle8@reddit
Hold on I think I can find it
MiruCle8@reddit
I was unable to locate the source I'm getting smoked
daemon-of-harrenhal@reddit
Another conversation with himself.
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GraveKommander@reddit
Useless peace of meat
MetheDumpsterFire@reddit
Light would've never been caught if reigned his ego in, so yes he's retarded
strife696@reddit
That's part of the point? Light is masking his megalomania behind an aura of virtue. He can't stand being challenged because he is not a hero, he's a dangerous person who was given the opportunity to enact vengeance on those he saw as inferior, and be praised for it.
L knew that, he knew that the murderer wouldn't be able to resist after having his power challenged because he knew that Kira was a serial killer, not a god.
Too-many-Bees@reddit
Knew the police knew there was someone using inside information to track down criminals.
Tried once (1) to put them off the trail, in a very lazy way.
Immediately gave up
buttquack1999@reddit
“Hey… Hey L, it’s not me.” “Uhmmm… okay?”
Panhead09@reddit
The appeal of Light as a character lies in his extravagance and arrogance. Plus he seems to enjoy the cat-and-mouse game with L. The show wouldn't have worked otherwise.
laktes@reddit
If he simply had everyone kill themself by suicide he would never have been caught or convicted. Because it’s a suicide.
Brussel_Rand@reddit
Character can just chose to not have characteristics or flaws, but he choses not to. Why? Is it because this is a story that needs something to drive the plot? No ...
Eonir@reddit
If he went after politicians or corporations, he wouldn't have been caught. White collar crimes are also more prevalent nowadays, and the police is powerless against them.
accountnumberseven@reddit
L isn't a cop, if he went after white collar criminals then someone from the private sector would have hired L or one of his aliases and the chase would happen anyways.
The one-shots after the series do a good job of addressing alternative concepts like this ("what if a Kira just killed old people?" and "what if a Kira decided to just sell the Death Note?"), it'd be cool to see this one.
mooimafish33@reddit
Just make them all die from autoerotic asphyxiation and nobody will ask any questions
Sensitive_Potato_775@reddit
I love Death Note and when I watched it for the first time, I was impressed by the intelligence of the protagonists.
When I watched it a second time, I couldn't believe how stupid light was for killing "L" on TV and abusing police data. Without one of those two things, he would've made it.
goezwell@reddit
He is absolute justice. Still hoping all bad mofo erases from earth irl. 🙏🏾
Kanye_Is_Underrated@reddit
Yes.
HRApprovedUsername@reddit
Absolute power corrupts absolutely
Fun1k@reddit
Except me, of course.
luckac69@reddit
That isn’t absolute power 🤓☝️
nuuudy@reddit
this would be such a rivoting show to watch how he sits at home eating chips and scribbling names of criminals in hit notebook for 50 episodes
Anon should make a show about it
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