How did I do?
Posted by TerriblePabz@reddit | Firearms | View on Reddit | 131 comments
Picked this up the other day on my way home from a jobsite. It's the first time I have bought a gun off just looking cool and seeming like a good deal.
F1 BDRx-15 Multi = 620.99 B5 adjustable stock Skeletonized F1 grip w/very aggressive texturing Fully Skeletonized F1 lower & Upper Skeletonized F1 Xs mlok handguard Watchtower Barrel & Break Ambi safety Extended mag release Magpul verticle grip = 21.95 Vortex crossfire red dot = 149.99 1x 30rd mag
Total OTD = 863.63
I only had the intention of getting a 400-600 dollar AR rifle, optic and grip for it, and a couple mags to have a dedicated plinking/beat the hell out of gun. But this was the 2nd cheapest AR they had in the store. I looked up F1 and everything I am seeing is significantly more expensive that the price I paid. I got it brand new in the box with no scuffs or blems. The texture cuts in the grip have already chewed up my hand a little bit and despite it being fully Skeletonized it weighs about the same as most other ARs due to the material thickness throughout.
I'm curious if anyone has one or has shot one a decent amount enough to tell me if this was a good deal. I can't for the life of me think of a reason it would be listed for so cheap when all of them I am seeing online are 2000-3000. I know F1 changed ownership and is now Watchtower but surely they wouldn't fire sale all the old inventory at that much of a discount just for having the old branding on them, right?
If anyone has any experience with these, is there anything I will need or want to upgrade on it? (other than optic, it was just the cheapest thing i could throw on it for now so it wouldnt be naked) It feels more solid than most other ARs I have owned and shot.
Gfdfanz@reddit
I can already tell you if you decide to run this Rifle hard at classes/competitions all those lightening cuts will be catching all sorts of debris which will in turn cause many malfunctions.
Ill-Spot-4893@reddit
Fuck these dudes , I think it looks sick
Franticalmond2@reddit
Jesus Christ. Have fun on the other sub!
PewPewPony321@reddit
I have a feeling he is going to enjoy this rifle since he built it on his own accord. Unless hes the type to let some ass on the internet change his mind about it. Most people in this sub are just passengers on someone elses wagon.
Lupine_Ranger@reddit
Almond lord is a mod of this sub? Oh no
Franticalmond2@reddit
Yep, effective immediately, any posts that aren’t antique bolt action rifles = instant perma ban! /s
Lupine_Ranger@reddit
Any Italian Vetterli posts will be pinned, Swiss Vetterli posts will be banned on sight
Franticalmond2@reddit
Nah, that’s too soft-handed. Immediate call to the ATF to report “suspicious activity” 😉
Lupine_Ranger@reddit
Ah, going with the r/ak47 method I see
Klownin2Hard@reddit
Is that really something one of the mods of r/ak47 has done?
Lupine_Ranger@reddit
Yes.
Klownin2Hard@reddit
Wow, do you know the outcome or what led up to it?
Lupine_Ranger@reddit
I honestly don't remember. It was stupid shit and the mod went crazy
Klownin2Hard@reddit
They're surely not still a mod right? Unless posting pic of brandishing in public like that guy in nj from that fb group or making wild threats i cant think of any good reason to swat someone like that.
bowtie_k@reddit
I approve
KillerSwiller@reddit
Mercy! Please! ( ; _ ;)
ZachPad1114@reddit
Those uppers and lowers are each some of the most HIDEOUS ones I’ve ever seen on either count. That thing is an abomination
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
I wonder what John Moses Browning would say if he saw all the dog water ideas we have churned out since he passed... on one hand I think he would be amazed... in this case though, he would probably have me shot against a post
ZachPad1114@reddit
Just… Please for the love of God change out that pistol grip. It’s trash. Honestly, you should probably consider scrapping everything except the stock, optic, and maybe the barrel shroud
ServingTheMaster@reddit
as far as upgrades go, I would change out the upper, the lower, the grip, and the hand guard. don't apologize for the red dot, that's one of the best parts of the rifle, and the stock...great stock.
one more change, the muzzle device. holy zombies mate.
ServingTheMaster@reddit
mall ninja vibe with extra holes to let more sand in. if you like it, bang on it. I personally wouldn't even kick that down to my homies to bang.
MasterJacO@reddit
What’s it weigh?
Dak_Nalar@reddit
ahaha nice troll post!.... oh.... oh no.... your serious..... oh honey
vidach@reddit
Ngl, thought this was a pleb post
wtfredditacct@reddit
Are you trying to say this guys AR is plebeian?
vidach@reddit
💯
MachineryZer0@reddit
You got absolutely bent the fuck over m8. Hate to break it to you this way.
DunkinDsnuts@reddit
But why lol I’m so confused other than it’s a skeleton
DunkinDsnuts@reddit
Damn y’all just downvoted the fuck out of a guy because you all relish In thinking your smart about one topic instead of explaining yourselves. Got it 👏
Innairaton@reddit
Only one reason is needed
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
I mean, I did pay over $600 for like 50% less gun so you can't be too far off
Ornery_Secretary_850@reddit
You would have been FAR better off just buying the PSA rifle of the day.
FAR better off. What you have there is a steaming pile of shit. But, as long as you're happy with shit...you be you.
PrussianFieldMarshal@reddit
It is an impresive work but... I gonna have nightmares now for the rest of my life
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
Spooky skeleton AR haunts your dreams with endless malfunctions and a mountain of dirt clogging every orifice!
PrussianFieldMarshal@reddit
Thats exactly it
Lord_Drok@reddit
Where's the rest of it?
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
Locusts ate it, it's been a lean AR harvest this year
Lord_Drok@reddit
Good answer.... unexpected
Master-Tanis@reddit
OP heard about ghost guns and decided to made a skeleton gun.
That alone deserves respect.
Little-Category-1028@reddit
This made me laugh 😂
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
🤣
leadbetterthangold@reddit
Happy Halloween 🎃
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
Might actually be kinda funny to get it cerakoted in a Jack Skelington theme 😂
grawrant@reddit
As long as you're happy with it, that's all that matters.
DJ_Sk8Nite@reddit
Bless your heart
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
😭 I'm sorry grandma!!!
Heeeeyyouguuuuys@reddit
Got some growing up to do
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
Never, I will forever remain a 12 year old with access to adult money... just please don't ask to see my project truck, Cafe racer, or garden... your opinion will not improve
youy23@reddit
This sub is stupid as hell sometimes. They think every gun has to be able to clear möm’s basement without a single jam.
It’s a plinker and you know that and it does the job well. It looks cool to you and it slings rounds. Fuck it man.
I’d probably leave it mostly as it is and not try to upgrade it into a reliable rifle. I think there’s a misconception that the only part that matters for reliability is the BCG but the critical areas you have to watch for are the BCG, barrel gas port size, gas block size and alignment, buffer spring, and buffer weight.
For a home defense oriented rifle, I’d consider getting a BCM or Sionics or Centurion AR-15 later down the road.
If you really wanted a cheap upgrade, a sprinco blue spring is your best bet. If you wanted to spend a bit more, a tubbs flatwire sprjng would be perfect. An H1 buffer would help as well. You can pull the buffer spring out and check the buffer and it’ll be written on the bottom if it’s already an h1 buffer. If your BCG is titanium nitride, it’s not ideal. If it’s really shiny or if it is a color different from black/white, it’s likely TiN and not ideal. Idk about replacing it but just understand the limitation. I’d look into getting a good grease rather than CLP. ALG Go juice, FCD Snake oil, and SOTARacha will all lessen the amount of jams and slick up your rifle. Personally, I can’t go back to a 90 degree safety. Badger ordnance, radian, and FCD each make a 45 degree safety. I think FCD makes the best one. I also really like FCD’s charging handle. It’s very subdued and rounded but radian’s raptor charging handle is certainly a great option if you want a more aggressive charging handle.
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
I appreciate the advice!
I already have a dedicated home defense AR and DMR AR, I would have been happy with the cheapest and shittiest AR I could find, but I found this instead and it wasn't priced at the moon so I figured it would at least be a fun looking plinking AR. Upgrading any part of it would purely be for the sake of being able enjoy shooting it for a day at the range. The only other thing I might do with it is tear it apart and rebuild it with quality parts to be a 3 gun or other competition shooting. I would only be keeping the upper, lower, and guard for the "cool" factor and replacing pretty much every single other component. I'm happy for the money I paid and the purpose it was bought for, but man is it alot of fun to watch the internet lose it's collective mind over an AR not looking the way it is supposed to 🤣
Big-Breath1096@reddit
It's... light.....
D00Mcandy@reddit
Is there a subreddit for mall ninja guns?
Donzie762@reddit
The parts count will exceed $800. The F1 receiver set is nearly $500 itself but the rest of the build doesn’t make sense.
When going with a low weight receiver set you would want a light weight barrel, carbon fiber handguard, light weight stock and low mass carrier.
BTW, Reddit hates light weight, race rifles or any AR that isn’t black.
wtfredditacct@reddit
Reddit loves both painted rifles AND wood. What are you talking about?
Donzie762@reddit
Put down the krylon Kyle.
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
It certainly didn't make sense to me when I weighed it against my other ARs. It's cool to look at and it feels built like a brick shit house but I doubt it will be more than a talking point/plinking gun for me until I get into 3 gun or something.
I'm having a great time reading comments actually 😂 people seem to really hate it despite the price. In fairness, it is black and hole-y
FuxtrotActual@reddit
See you on the other sub
Caligula-6@reddit
What's the other sub?
wtfredditacct@reddit
What kind of plebeian question is that?
Agile_Tit_Tyrant@reddit
Oh honey.
Franticalmond2@reddit
Jesus Christ. Have fun on the other sub!
Stellakinetic@reddit
Don’t expect to get any praise on here. Any gun that isn’t well established on here is gonna get shit on due to Reddit hive mind, especially one that’s that… unique. F1 is fine as far as quality. “In theory” you got a great deal, but obviously F1 sold out and that’s probably because the shit they made was/is gaudy as hell. Definitely not my style, but you’ve def got a unique piece of AR history I guess.
Alternative-Feed3613@reddit
Gross
Agitated-Finish-5052@reddit
I mean, I buy firearms because they look cool as well. But I also have stuff I would take into combat and it “should” run well. Don’t get and dirt in that AR or else it won’t run that well, that will need to stay clean. But have fun shooting it and enjoy your purchase.
whyyoumadson@reddit
AR-15 gas station edition
boogaloojoel@reddit
Never cook again
mreed911@reddit
Ouch.
FishAdministrative47@reddit
I hope you left the dust cover on. Wouldn't want anything to get in there
SpicyRamen173@reddit
Nah. Not it.
TylerJF7@reddit
Not a fan, but 800 for what you got doesn’t seem too bad.
stoiciskism@reddit
Nah nah nah nah nah, Batgun!
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
🤣 you win
GaybutNotbutGay@reddit
Sorry dude you got punked, real hard
MArkansas-254@reddit
Does it go bang whenever, and only whenever you want? Then, ya did good! 👍
numnumington@reddit
With a rifle like that I’m not surprised you’re on your knees
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
Listen, how else am I supposed to afford this hobby in 2024? $20 is $20 and I have knee pads if you have ammo money
Willing_Reserve6374@reddit
1 hour of shooting prone in the dirt would show you why this is a bad idea
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
https://youtu.be/udFDjjEHSiw?si=JgC5yDV1rwqArNaF
I don't know how to link things properly on mobile, but this guy did a pretty simple dry dirt, wet dirt, and then mud test with it. Obviously, it does have a couple of issues, but the biggest one was on dry dirt, bolt closed with no round in the chamber. All the tests done with a round in the chamber worked through the entire mag aside from 1 or 2 in the middle of the test that he had to tap and rack. So, it's not as terrible as you would initially think, but it's certainly not a duty rifle to trust your life to.
tex91@reddit
I mean….that’s certainly a choice…
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
As long as we are operating in the grey area, we don't need to discuss this with the Ole laddies, right?
jellybean090497@reddit
Looks like a great rifle to run suppressed!
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
I definitely don't think you would have problems with over gassing. This hoe is ventilated like it was sitting across from Han Solo
captkrahs@reddit
Good gracious
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
Great googly moogly
whaletimecup@reddit
BDR - Big Dumb Regard
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
You forgot the "x" dude!! That's what makes it cool and adds like $2000 to the value. God, some people just don't understand culture 🙄
Beebjank@reddit
And yet I bet it still weighs more than a WWSD
salty_drafter@reddit
The wwsd weighs like 5lbs with no optic or ammo.
How'd ya do OP?
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
As it sits, without the F1 internals and with the added weight of the grip and guard, it is at like 6.5lb I think but my scale died right as it was ticking so it could be +/- a decimal and that was as it is in the pic. I will grab some AAA batteries and find out for sure though
N0Name117@reddit
When will people learn that skeletonized shit rarely saves much weight. Advanced materials do.
DrafterDan@reddit
Most long boyz do. Wrap your 556 in fiberglass? Doesn't quite have the same ring
--_-__-___---_@reddit
if you have to ask you already know
greetsforteets@reddit
Funky mother-fucker will not, be told to go
_NotmyShadow_@reddit
Aside from the stock and maybe the optic, this looks like a gas station knife
Klownin2Hard@reddit
Bad
Honest_Software_7686@reddit
So you have Reddit obviously. Have you not learned anything while being on here?
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
... I am on Reddit ffs... Have any of us learned anything while being on here? I thought we were all smooth brains throwing our own shit at a wall so the rest of us can judge it accordingly... is that not why we were here?
Bubbly_Ad9185@reddit
I own 2 F1's. Don't let these guys be negative with pleb this and pleb that. It's just how reddit is with firearms. F1 got bought out by Watchtower so they are selling the rest of the F1's as a clear out and it's why they are $600 right now. Your money is in the lower/upper and handguard, the rest they slapped together with extra Watchtower parts. Think they ran out of 15inch handguards and why you have a 13 inch handguard unless you bought it by choice.
What can you do to make it better, replace everything with decent parts and get rid of the bargain stuff they are hiding in it. Get a f1 bcg with that coating that helps makes run very reliably even with all the extra dust and crap that gets in there. They are pricey but I think other companies have their own version now. Replace the stock with a battlelink minimalist stock. These are very good range toys and can be setup as a serious competition rifle.... thats it. I personally have used them to teach new shooters and the skeletonized parts help them understand what is going on. Just don't do the red controls or other crazy color shit. Brag that it's a cool range toy but not as something serious when shit hits the fan.
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
I appreciate the advice!
That is pretty much what I have been figuring during all my research since the purchase. It's cool looking and I only got it as a range toy until I decide to do 3 gun or something. It sounds like I can make it the basis of my first AR build since it would be best to replace the guts of it. Maybe this will give me a good excuse to get into competition shooting but if not at least it is something fun to pull out on range days and get a laugh out of. Plus I can't be upset about the price I paid 😂
lolpopculture@reddit
Bro come on
Machismo_malo@reddit
I think you got a deal, idk maybe, a Google search tells me the BDRx MSRP is north of 2k. Also their store is permanently closed but their website is still up. Idk whats going on with F1 but I do feel like I've seen their rifles in a Demolition Ranch video lol. How light is it? I guess the real question is, does it run like its namesake?
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
After comparing it to my home defense AR pistol, 308 DMR, and my buddies' basic psa setup... it's about the same with the barrel, comp, handguard, and bcg. It could be lightweight but not as it is. It runs like a monster so far though, only a couple mags through it until this weekend when I can break it in with a couple hundred rounds but it chewed through them like a fat kid in a candy store. I'm going to compare it to my others side by side and see if it's name is worth the sticker price for myself but for what I paid and my own situation, I really can't complain.
Mazurcka@reddit
I’ll see y’all in r/PlebianAR
Shawn_1512@reddit
I'm glad they skeletonized the pistol grip, I've always said polymer pistol grips were adding way too much weight to ARs
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
More eco friendly
GreyBeardsStan@reddit
Here from the other sub
Nay_K_47@reddit
This is great. Haven't ran up on one of these in a bit.
alrashid2@reddit
Couldn't pay me to own that thing
RandoAtReddit@reddit
You should swap out the controls for some anodized aluminum ones from Amazon.
DrafterDan@reddit
Red, of course.
wormgenius@reddit
Literally every single time I open a post on this subreddit, the OP’s comments get downvoted. Bad vibes. I’m worried for yall… mental health is important.
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
Man, I'm drinking a whiskey on my back porch and laughing like a loon as they roll in. I'm having a good time but it's sad to see even my joke replies get down voted 🤣 no one has any humor anymore
Silent_But_Deadly2@reddit
I'm gonna be honest fam....not great.
beelzebob909@reddit
Holy fuck bud.
NoSuddenMoves@reddit
$800 could have gotten you a colt on sale.
lhblues2001@reddit
That looks really easy to clean.
FormalYeet@reddit
I'm going to create a burner. Something like
u/youdidnotgetagooddealonthatgun
And then just roast everyone
OP, you liked it enough in the store to buy it and thought it was a reasonable enough deal. Who cares what anyone else thinks?
Hint: those skeletonized receivers are generally panned so feedback here will likely reflect that.
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
I like it plenty for it to be a fun talking piece for range days, I don't expect it to take a beating or be a premium quality firearm lol just thought it looked cool because I had never seen anything like it or heard of the company. I think it was a good enough deal for me, but I was curious if the internet knew something I didn't like have a link to one exploding or snapping in half after someone tossed it. Never hurts to see what my fellow gremlins have on file for something after all.
piezer8@reddit
I don’t think I’ve heard anything bad like them falling apart or anything but F1 just strikes me as the gas station knife of AR’s. It’s a flashy, spiky looking overpriced brand.
Linkstas@reddit
You missed the LGBTQ month posting window bro
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
😱
youkilledkenny3211@reddit
Cool grip
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
It's sharp as hell and has already ripped up my hand. Definitely need to knock the corners off with a file or wrap it with something. Looks good though, It's what caught my eye while I was looking at other stuff.
huhcarramrod@reddit
You got soft hands brother!!!
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
Indeed, I shall leave it unwrapped and dub this rifle "Anti-Soft Hands"
Hmgibbs14@reddit
What a terrible day to have eyes
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
I am truly sorry to have put such a terrible burden upon you sir
Lupine_Ranger@reddit
Hey bro, I think there's still some aluminum left in that rifle, need to shave more out of it.
TerriblePabz@reddit (OP)
I can still see it, so there is too much of it left!!
gunoil_enjoyer69@reddit
👎
Brian-88@reddit
Oof