Did they confirm or deny that the plane spotted on sonar was Amelia Earhart?
Posted by Loch-M@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 389 comments
Ik im Late but I want to know if it really was her or not
WallandBall@reddit
It’s almost a mile deeper than the Titanic, it will take some time to get down there. I haven’t seen a report of anyone down there yet. It takes some time and real money to go that deep. Maybe James Cameron will go for it and make a movie out of it.
Superory_16@reddit
The sub and support ship already exist. Victor Vescovo along with Triton subs designed and built the DSV Limiting Factor. The sub is certified and rated to go anywhere in the ocean, at any depth. Currently it is owned by Gabe Newell ( the Steam guy) and his Inkfish organization.
SghettiAndButter@reddit
Gave Newell owns the Limiting Factor?? Lmao small world
Dudeinairport@reddit
Bit not small enough to make HL3. Damnit.
newtekie1@reddit
HL3 will be Gordon Freeman traveling to the bottom of the ocean to fight aliens at the Amelia Earhart crash site.
rhotovision@reddit
The descent will be a real time 3-hour cut scene with trippy G man monologues
ath_at_work@reddit
Earheart died from a headcrab...
Educational-Raisin69@reddit
☹️
badlydressedboy@reddit
I'd buy that for a dollar
Air_to_the_Thrown@reddit
That and a nickel will get you a pack of gum
Vord_Lader@reddit
Whats the flavor half life of the gum?
RandonBrando@reddit
Look, do you want a piece or don't you?
Crimson3312@reddit
I'm a Dapper Dan man!
JohnnyLovesData@reddit
🏥 Brrk..Brrk..Brrk..Tsst
blznburro@reddit
Crab…
crypto64@reddit
G-Man
Huffy_too@reddit
WHEN did you last buy a pack of gum?
1960?
pilihp@reddit
Cheapskate, should be three fiddy at least
antariusz@reddit
Stream will take a 30% cut
slinger301@reddit
Waiting for the steam sale?
Desert_Trader@reddit
I'd buy that and let it sit uninstalled I'm my steam library
kabubakawa@reddit
I feel slightly attacked.
thomashouseman@reddit
I don't, I install them AND THEN not play them.
Miserable_Steak6673@reddit
Sounds like a Bio Shock game.
luckyjack@reddit
I’d watch that
heebro@reddit
all but confirmed by valve that they are in the process of making HL3
Excludos@reddit
Whilst yes, true, that doesn't unfortunately mean they'll go anywhere with it. They've started and abandoned numerous hl3 projects already, so whilst evidence that they're working on it is undeniable, we don't know if it will end up as a released product
EMills_FF@reddit
Damnit! You know that every time someone mentions HL3 they push it back another month!
TheTalentedAmateur@reddit
Thanks a lot! Now you've just pushed the HL3 release back too ... dammit... Now it's TWO Months and I've become the thing I sought to destroy.
EMills_FF@reddit
Oh god! You said HL3 as well! 3 months!
skippythemoonrock@reddit
What else would he be doing down there? Clearly constructing an undersea gamer fortress.
slinger301@reddit
Liquid cooled.
StinkyBalloon@reddit
Amen to that
supportisraelkeys@reddit
Amen
MediMac99@reddit
Amen
MilkFew2273@reddit
He renamed it. Why change such a cool name?Heresy.
_schmuck@reddit
He also owns a race team called The Heart of Racing!
SghettiAndButter@reddit
He owns them?? Holy crap, weird facts I’m learning today. I watched them win the WEC GT3 race in Austin this year haha
_schmuck@reddit
He’s a partial owner but it was his project ultimately. They’re also running the Aston Hypercar program next year!
No_Special_8828@reddit
Wait what, how did I not know this after watching the last 2 years
_schmuck@reddit
It’s my current favorite fun fact about IMSA/WEC
Excellent_Whereas950@reddit
His son races. Ala stroll without being an inbred
Greenbastardscape@reddit
GTP and Hypercard about about to be lit next year. Between adding Aston and Caddy moving to JOTA, there's gonna be some real battles up front
Deltigre@reddit
It's been a thing since 2014
USA_A-OK@reddit
TOO SMALL FOR THE TWO OF US!
whydoesthisitch@reddit
Praise Gaben
RedShirt2901@reddit
Bob Ballard was on a spy mission.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/13/us/titanic-discovery-classified-nuclear-sub/index.html
mdp300@reddit
I love that story. "Find the Russian sub for us and afterwards go look for the titanic."
Infamous_Finish4386@reddit
And by God it worked!! Late summer of 1985!! It was a very big deal because she was lost to the ages for 73 years until she was found!!
nighthawke75@reddit
It was the SOSUS data that helped spot the subs. It took some serious massaging of the data to pin their general locations down. ANGUS, the photo sled spotted it, and ARGO holding the mini-ROV, would go inspect.
Infamous_Finish4386@reddit
So, you’re saying the official story of how Titanic was located is total bullshit? (we’ve only just recently learned that Dr. Ballard struck a deal with the US government…after I locate your sunken nuclear submarine, I get to look for other stuff and it’s on YOUR dime!!)
nighthawke75@reddit
They covered the SSBN hunt, logistics, and equipment design and construction. So Ballard and Woods Hole put the gear to work on discovering and exploring TITANIC, as a test run.
Afterward, they explored the subs as the cover story causes ripples worldwide.
alcohaulic1@reddit
Not true. Dirk Pitt had already discovered her.
Infamous_Finish4386@reddit
Don’t you mean Dr. Robert Ballard of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute in Woods Hole, Massachusetts??
alcohaulic1@reddit
No. Dirk Pitt from NUMA.
Infamous_Finish4386@reddit
Using an UROV named “Alvin” who was absolutely state of the art for her day. I’m rather passionate about the subject matter. I remember what I was doing when the news came in that Titanic had been found AND that there were even photographs!!
Njorls_Saga@reddit
To be fair, they already knew where the subs were and there had been extensive Navy investigations into their losses. They wanted Ballard to re image them because of their nuclear reactors and Scorpion's ASTOR torpedoes.
nighthawke75@reddit
Woods Hole had a pocket ROV that could fit into the 21 inch torpedo tube in an attempt to survey the nuclear warheads.
ProjectSnowman@reddit
Clean up your room and then you can go play
nighthawke75@reddit
Ballard was commissioned well before TITANIC was planned. TITANIC was a sideshow and pocket change for what the DoD paid Woods Hole to survey the two downed nuclear subs.
nsgiad@reddit
Here's a great video about finding the titanic from our friend Mike Brady https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvq2Lu78rnU
neurash@reddit
That's incredible. So's the linked contemporaneous NY Times article
RedRatedRat@reddit
Not espionage at all.
mathewgardner@reddit
What do you call it when you work with the military to do a secret mission to find a high value Soviet asset in the middle of the Cold War?
God_Damnit_Nappa@reddit
Lolwut. The USS Thresher and USS Scorpion were not Soviet assets
mathewgardner@reddit
Yes, thank you! I conflated it with the clandestine recovery of the Sov sub, as already explained in the thread. If I have to keep explaining my error and eating down votes should I just delete the original comment?
mathewgardner@reddit
What do you call it when you work with the military to do a secret mission to find a high value Soviet asset in the middle of the Cold War?
RedRatedRat@reddit
What Soviet assets? Thresher and Scorpion were USN submarines.
mathewgardner@reddit
Oops, I was conflating with the subterfuge over the lost Ruskie
RedRatedRat@reddit
K-129 search was not espionage, either.
The recovery was some form of theft.
CplTenMikeMike@reddit
Not theft: marine salvage of abandoned property.
RedRatedRat@reddit
Doesn’t apply to naval vessels.
mathewgardner@reddit
What is spying if not theft?
blindfoldedbadgers@reddit
It’s just a little bit of tactical salvage
mathewgardner@reddit
Shhh! Putin might realize they never made a valid salvage claim.
Deuce_McFarva@reddit
Yes, resources exist. They are still massively expensive to operate and maintain, so this will take a long time.
cvl37@reddit
Holy crossover batman! Gabe Newell?
wisbballfn15@reddit
Wasn't expecting that myself. Now we know why we don't have Half Life 3 :D
AdExciting337@reddit
Wasn’t expecting a kind of a Spanish Inquisition!
Worth-Economics8978@reddit
Yeah, basically this is a money grab. "It might be Amelia Earhart's plane" is good for at least two funding rounds.
Kind of like how NASA coincidentally discovers water on Mars again every year around when it's time to re-up their funding from the US government.
somerandomkerbal@reddit
Does anyone know if the Limiting Factor named after the GOU from the culture novels? I feel like it must right?
dopecrew12@reddit
Gabe Newell owns a fucking deep sea exploration company? What?
Hoe-possum@reddit
They don’t say the technology doesn’t exist, they said it will take time and money. Hell the deepest manned sub dive ever was done over 50 years ago.
batcavejanitor@reddit
I read that as in the ‘subreddit.’ I was very confused.
Confident_Economy_57@reddit
Ehh, we don't need all that. We just need to resurrect Stockton Rush and send him down there with a few billionaires.
Charming-Loan-1924@reddit
What was hilarious to me was about a week after that the sub read for American dad had already written a whole TV show based on the premise that Stockton Rush is one of Roger’s fake identities.
BlackHills2eagles@reddit
Currently reading The Culture series by Iain M Banks and liked the little nod by Vescovo. Proper name for a ship of this capacity. "The Player of Games" is an excellent read!
Singlot@reddit
That name sounds familiar
GentleWhiteGiant@reddit
C'mon, nobody certifies a sub today. It's just a threat to fast progress.
TBCoR@reddit
Crunch.
MrNikki86@reddit
If it’s not operated by a PS2 dual shock controller, then I don’t care.
jreynolds72@reddit
Without checking the Wikipedia article, I'm 3000% sure that name is a reference to the Culture series.
Northwindlowlander@reddit
It was, DSV Limiting Factor and her support ship DSSV Pressure Drop. They also have a runabout, Little Rascal, all named after Culture ships.
But they were renamed after the sale :( Gabe Newell apparently not a culture fan.
naked-and-famous@reddit
It is, but sadly Gabe renamed it. (Per Wikipedia, The naming of these vessels is a large tip of the hat to, and with no small amount of admiration for, Iain M Banks’ brilliant "Culture" science fiction series.
— Victor Vescovo)
GoyoMRG@reddit
Owning a sub that can go to any depth was easier than making any 3rd game to his amazing games?!?
Wtf Gabe....
Character-Error5426@reddit
You don't even need a DSV you can use an ROV although its deeper than almost all ROVs can go.
notinthislifetime20@reddit
…
1DJ2many@reddit
How, how big is the hatch?
Drecksackblase1337@reddit
I was not ready to read gabeN in this Post haha
Pipe_Mountain@reddit
Of course Gaben just randomly owns it
iluvsporks@reddit
I used to know a Submersible company that would of went.
eventualist@reddit
We need more billionaires going for a view in carbon fiber cans!
Loch-M@reddit (OP)
Lol. That would be great. If it is confirmed to be a plane in the first place, they should prob try to raise it (depending on how eroded it is) or if they can’t do that, maybe send subs (a bit like the one that Ballard used on Titanic but deeper) and get some visual confirmation on if it IS her or not
Sigourneys_Beaver@reddit
Should send some billionaires down in a sub. They could probably even just use an Xbox controller for it.
ImReverse_Giraffe@reddit
The US Navy regularly uses Xbox controllers on it nuclear powered submarines. Mordern drones are often controlled with an Xbox controller.
When someone else has already dumped decades and hundreds of millions of dollars into designing the best handheld, portable controller known to man, you go to the local Walmart and buy it for $50.
God_Damnit_Nappa@reddit
Ya it's fun to dunk on Oceangate but that Logitech controller was probably the best designed and most tested thing on the sub.
Theban_Prince@reddit
No, because that controller was a huge red flag on sloppy design.
The Navy submarines used similar controls but they are mot off the swlf and they have more tradional alternatives. AFAIK they also use it for periscope and such, not for direction
Diligent-Ad5494@reddit
Lmao
fearfac86@reddit
I read an article on this a while back and it was also good because the people using it were often already used to the feel of it in their hands (muscle memory basically)
Karakawa549@reddit
Not to mention that every soldier in the army has at least a passing familiarity with it, and some have spent thousands of hours mastering it,
Preblegorillaman@reddit
That, and also there's a higher chance of needing less training to use it, as many people have used game controllers before.
fireduck@reddit
Yeah, certainly has more test hours and tested under terrible conditions than pretty much anything.
Hey, this needs to work for thousands of hours and also the user will be a pizza goblin sitting in their own filth.
JustAnotherChatSpam@reddit
There’s a big difference between both of those situations. A Navy nuke sub and a drone controlled from a ground based transmitter. You don’t have to worry about it catching fire.
speedbird92@reddit
I have a spare wii controller id be willing to donate
No_Size_1765@reddit
The sensor falls off the tv and the sub goes into an uncontrollable dive
W00DERS0N60@reddit
James Cameron has been deeper.
Usurer@reddit
*Logitech Controller
XtraFlaminHotMachida@reddit
it was obviously a gravis gamepad from the 90s
lastcall83@reddit
I hear Atari 2600 controllers are an even better choice...
Barlight24@reddit
At least these would survive.
amiable_ant@reddit
I think Musk would be just the man for this job. He can just dust off his Thai pedo sub.
asdf_funky@reddit
I know of at least two billionaires I'd nominate for the trip. Also a wannabe billionaire.
thedirtychad@reddit
I wonder how many billionaires would nominate you?
SnowfallOCE@reddit
Perhaps one of these people could come up with a “concept of a plan” to get down there?
EffectiveGlad7529@reddit
The real "concept of a plan" was the billionaires we imploded along the way.
Gimlz@reddit
No no, steam controller.
Freak_Engineer@reddit
Why raise it? I mean, you just risk damaging it due to its likely deteriorated state and if it really is Earhart's Electra ther eisn't really much we don't know about it. Maybe raise a smaller artifact, like, a Propeller maybe or some other thing, similar like they did with Titanic.
I'm more the "leave nothing but footprints (and maybe a memorial plaque in this case) and take nothing but pictures guy, though.
intern_steve@reddit
Leave nothing but three tons of aluminum, 150 gallons of high leaded gasoline, ten gallons of motor oil, and a hundred pounds of lead acid batteries. 'Leave no trace' went out the window when the plane crashed. I appreciate the sentiment, but this is a human cultural site, not a wilderness. It might not be worth it to raise the wreck, but leave no trace dictates we try to clean it up if we can.
_edd@reddit
That planes been sitting there for 87 years. I'd be really surprised if any of that is considered a threat to the environment. I could see the lead acid batteries having something that can be removed. But the oil and gasoline has to have already been entirely dispersed / unrecoverable. And the aluminum is almost guaranteed to have no value in getting cleaned up
Realistically we then compare the effort versus value of this relative to literally every other polluting event in the ocean. This is going to be at the very bottom of the list from an ecological standpoint with the potential to have a negative effect when factoring in the resources used to clean up / recover the site.
intern_steve@reddit
The point is that leave no trace principles can hardly apply to an aircraft wreck. The wreck in and of itself is a trace. I'm not saying we're obligated to go get it, I'm saying it makes sense to get it than to ignore it in the moralistic context of leave no trace wilderness exploration.
Freak_Engineer@reddit
You see, same as with WWII Battleships, the Titanic or the Wreck of the Edward Fitzgerald, that plane isn't just a Wreck rotting away down there. Of course it's a trace, that is kind of the point. All these sites are historical landmarks, memorials or at least somebody's grave. I mean, compare it to the USS Arizona: If everybody would just be like "Yeah, it's just a pile of scrap that isn't supposed to be there anyway, just help yourselves to any amount of souvenirs you like", there wouldn't be much left of it by now. We can actually see that with Titanic, where some excursions actually have done additional Damage to the Wreck.
I kind of expand the morals of wilderness exploration to exploring relevant sites in general. Sure, they by themselves are traces of humanity having been there, but that doesn't mean we should add or remove stuff as we please. All we should do is preserve the relevant ones if needed and applicable. If the plane could be lifted without damaging it further I would be fine with it because that would make it more accessible, but I think that would be impossible by now due to advanced deterioration.
intern_steve@reddit
And yet, we float ships of the line every chance we get.
_edd@reddit
What's your argument, that it should be raised and put in a museum?
I don't really think the Leave No Trace principle is entirely out of the window here. We have artificial reefs that we attempt to not touch all of the time.
But regardless I'd say the realistic scenario is that between the depth of the wreck, the age of the wreck and that the object in question is made of thin, lightweight materials (especially relative to the usual recovery objects like ships), there is likely not a recovery process that has a high likelihood of success. In which case leave as is / preserve in place as best you can until technology develops further.
Admittedly that's not a Leave No Trace approach, but I don't think the future environmental damage is an argument that holds water (get it?)...
intern_steve@reddit
My argument is that taking only pictures and leaving only footprints is hardly a valid reason not to salvage a wreck of historical interest. The comment I responded to was advocating for no salvage or limited salvage on leave no trace principles, in response to another comment about raising it. Leave no trace principles dictate the opposite aim. If it crashed today, we'd go get it just like we did with the Titan submersible.
_edd@reddit
Ya, alright that's fair. Historical wrecks do sit in a unique position. I'd argue you should weigh environment impact versus historical significance, but environmental impact is likely negligible relative to historical significance here.
SocraticIgnoramus@reddit
I’ve always assumed she wouldn’t have ditched until she was so critically low on fuel that there probably wasn’t very much anyway. Two P&W Wasp engines wouldn’t have required more than about 12 gallons of oil max, which really isn’t that much at all in the grand scheme of oil contamination.
idunnoiforget@reddit
It brings a tear to my eye every time I think of the kee bird
mathewgardner@reddit
Environmental impact of getting is gonna be far far greater than just leaving whatever is still left.
Freak_Engineer@reddit
There isn't much left to clean up at the crash site after all this time. It's basically just the aluminium by now, the rest is long gone.
30yearCurse@reddit
and not fuzzy UFO pics...
Scumebage@reddit
Yeah I mean, thats not a footprint though is it? It's a plane we left down there.
RussianNinja145@reddit
Nothing gets past this guy.
V6Ga@reddit
There is no structural stability in anything in the ocean that long unless it was made of titanium.
You can recover parts.
And as far as visual Confirmation it’s by near impossible to identify planes in the sea floor
The number times Cessna have been misidentified as Japanese Zero is s hilarious, and that is in shallow water with people taking pictures and video
Mderose@reddit
I wonder if Purdue University might help/ They helped pay for her plane and she was an instructor there.
Echo017@reddit
You could make an epic horror movie of being injured and desperately trying to stay awake on a deserted island as the coconut crabs creep ever closer and grow ever more insistent on your demise.....
take_it_easy_buddy@reddit
That's Steven King's book Gunslinger: Drawing of the Three (not a spoiler).
Worried_Height_5346@reddit
Is there a story that Steven king hasn't written yet?
Drowned_In_Spaghetti@reddit
An unbearably bad one.
Worried_Height_5346@reddit
No.. he did that too!
sugarcatgrl@reddit
Dad-a-chum? Dum-a-chum? Ded-a-chek? Did-a-chick?
CouchPotatoFamine@reddit
I've read that book 3 or 4 times - last time, thanks to Futurama, all I could see were a bunch of flesh-eating Zoidbergs on that beach.
sugarcatgrl@reddit
I bet! 🤣
MarvinHeemeyersTank@reddit
His name is James, James Cameron, the bravest pioneer...
DSIN_HA@reddit
He will raise the bar again.
Mikeg216@reddit
Well last time we were looking for the Titanic we were actually stealing Russian nuclear submarines off the bottom of the ocean. So is there anything worth taking off the bottom of the ocean nearby because otherwise it's not going to happen.
shinigamipls@reddit
🎤 His name is James, James Cameron The bravest pioneer No budget too steep, no sea too deep Who's that? It's him, James Cameron James, James Cameron explorer of the sea With a dying thirst to be the first Could it be? Yeah that's him! James Cameron 🎤
crooks4hire@reddit
Honestly, for science, I wouldn’t be mad at a 100% templated remake of titanic but for Earhart lol
dinkleberrysurprise@reddit
Who gets cast as Amelia?
crooks4hire@reddit
Idk…That lady who played Captain Marvel seems good.
38B0DE@reddit
Cameron, submarines, female lead character, based on a true story. It will definitely crack a billion.
davidkali@reddit
TIL Amelia Earhart’s (allegedly) Plane is a mile deeper than the Titanic.
jrrybock@reddit
First, curious about where this was found; theories are they may have tried to ditch near an island they could get to; now, my understanding is that the Pacific is more "mountainous" under the water than the Atlantic, so bigger drops from islands, so it is possible, but still curious.
Second... this was 25 years after Titanic... but Titanic was fairly thick steel, and is nearing total disintigration, it seems. Earheart's plane would have been much thinner metal and under there for some 85 years or so at this point... how likely is it for a somewhat perfect outline be picked up (mind you also damage crashing in the water and sinking would do to it)
barney-mosby@reddit
As to the second point, the main possibility I can think of is that while the plane is made of thinner material than the Titanic, it's made out of aluminum, which doesn't rust. No rusting means much less degradation, so it's not unreasonable that it's kept its shape. Also, part of Titanic's degradation is due to bacteria eating the rust, so the ship's not just sitting there, it's being actively eaten away.
dsanders692@reddit
Aluminium didn't rust, but it will corrode. And sitting in seawater is probably the best possible environment to accelerate corrosion. Probably won't be as wasted away as the Titanic, but it'll certainly be in bad shape
jordanpwalsh@reddit
Can that guy that does private expeditions to the Titanic do it? I forget the name of this company, OceanGate or something.
/s
Snrdisregardo@reddit
As long as she clings to an elevator while Leo drowns again.
ComesInAnOldBox@reddit
His name is James, James Cameron, The bravest pioneer!
No budget too steep, no sea too deep
Who's that? It's him, James Cameron.
How's the theme song coming through? Can you hear it okay? Guys?
CosineSimilarity01@reddit
Diving through comment section just to see this. Not dissapointed
Ronin1@reddit
You sonuvabitch, Newman! How the hell did you get down here??
Fight me Cameron
jacktherippah123@reddit
Hey maybe the guys over at OceanGate can get down there! /s
viral_virus@reddit
What if all I got is a carbon fiber tube and a PlayStation controller?
colin8651@reddit
Someone wake up Celine Dion
GawainDragon@reddit
Couldn't we just send a drone? Wouldn't it be cheaper?
ConstantCaptain4120@reddit
I knew a guy…
JimboTheSimpleton@reddit
It looks like a Horton Ho. Amelia Earhart was shot down by Nazi super stealth plane? Big, if true!
/S
Amelia Earhart's disappearance is not quite so mysterious as is sometimes portrayed. It's not like she took off and failed to arrive and no contact was made in between. They were in contact with their destination and were trying to figure out where they were and then they weren't heard from again.
They got lost and ran out of fuel.
leonderbaertige_II@reddit
I have seen UFO pictures with better quality.
elan890@reddit
Well that makes sense because this image was taken with sonar and UFO images are taken with, well, cameras
leonderbaertige_II@reddit
Sonar is just a camera for a different wavelength and a very slow scan.
erto66@reddit
You know what sonar ist right?
leonderbaertige_II@reddit
I am well aware, but that doesn't make it any easier to indentify the type.
diveguy1@reddit
It would be awesome if they recovered the plane and found Cornelius from Planet of the Apes in the cockpit.
memeboiandy@reddit
no. idk if you remember but there was a little conflict in the 1940s that resulted in a lot of aircraft going down in the pacific and atlantic oceans. 116k planes were lost in total, a significant number in the oceans. the odds of it being Earhart's is basically 0
elan890@reddit
And in the conflict you are talking about, jets weren’t used until it was basically over. Showing you don’t actually know what you’re talking about.
jnuttsishere@reddit
The only people with jets during WWII were the Germans….and they weren’t flying them in the pacific theater.
clientsoup@reddit
Aren't the odds more like 1 in 116k?
PantherChicken@reddit
If we are being pedantic, I'm pretty sure that not all 116,000 planes crashed in the same spot of ocean, so maybe the odds are better than just that lol.
swift1883@reddit
Sir, this is a Reddit. Pedantic is life.
TheWeloponnesianPar@reddit
*pedantry
NauticalNomad24@reddit
*Peasantry
hstormsteph@reddit
Bravo
snappy033@reddit
If we’re being pedantic, you don’t really know the exact spot she crashed either.
PantherChicken@reddit
Perhaps not but the amount of spots she did not crash at greatly outnumbers the spots she may have crashed at. For example, we can rule out Berlin Germany and Tokyo Japan and perhaps a few million others.
Sasquatch-d@reddit
But we also have no idea where Earhart crashed either, so how can you rule out any of the 116k wrecks being hers?
monsantobreath@reddit
Expressed as a percentage that would be 0.0000086207%.
So you tell me when we start saying a number is basically zero.
GifuSunrise@reddit
Wouldn't it be 0.000862%? I think you forgot to multiply by 100 for the percentage.
rjpa1@reddit
Monsanto's Roundup would have been safe, except that guy forgot to do % correctly at the mixing plant.
GifuSunrise@reddit
S-tier comment, had to do a double take on that one.
Letibleu@reddit
That's still better odds than me going to a Taylor Swift concert in Montreal.
chuckop@reddit
So you’re saying there’s a chance?
AllReflection@reddit
Read it again. If the wing no sweep was the same and the world had only one ocean, yes. Neither is true.
No-Function3409@reddit
1 in 116,001
seaburno@reddit
There were not a lot of aircraft that went down in area of Nikumaroo. It was outside of active combat zones, but occupied from 1939-1964, so its very unlikely that any aircraft went down nearby where there aren't good records to show what went down.
Also, during that little kerfuffle in the first half of the 1940s, there were a total of about 35K aircraft lost in the entire Pacific theatre. The VAST majority of them were lost in the western Pacific, and I'd guess that about 98% of them were lost west of a line running northeast from Brisbane to Guadalcanal then Midway, and then roughly due north to Adak in the Aleutians. Nikumaroo (and for that matter, Howland) is far to the east of that line (by roughly 1100 miles), so even assuming that 10% of those aircraft lost in the Pacific occurred east of combat line I identified above, the chances of any aircraft in that area going down in that area are pretty slim. So, using that kind of deductive reasoning, the odds are probably somewhere in the 1-2% range that, if not even better (perhaps as high as 30-40%) that it is Earhart/Noonan's plane.
Rc72@reddit
If it's a jet, it isn't from that "little conflict in the 1940s". There weren't nearly any jets in the Pacific theater, and certainly none with swept wings.
What appears to be wing sweep may simply be an artifact of the sonar image, anyway. Or perhaps the wings were bent or broken upon impact. The image is too blurry to conclude anything.
I agree that the probability that this was Earhart's plane, out of the thousands that have gone missing in the Pacific, is quite low, though.
__slamallama__@reddit
Sunday returns give you a rough idea of what is down there but wave action and variable speed of the transducer can absolutely produce artifacts of weird geometry like that.
Avalyst@reddit
Not "weren't nearly any", there was literally 0. The only jets at the time were all in Europe.
lastcall83@reddit
That's not completely true. At least if we're being pedantic. Most of the US's P-59s were in the Western half of the US, and Japan flew one of us Kikka's, once, in 1945. So, if by the THINNEST of margins, there were jets in the PTO.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_Kikka
mrshulgin@reddit
This is Reddit. You know damn well we're being pedantic!!
lastcall83@reddit
😆 💯
Avalyst@reddit
Wow i leaned something new today!
Rc72@reddit
Yes, this was why I wrote "nearly". Also, rocket planes are also technically "jet-propelled", and the Japanese flew a fair few Ohkas in combat.
lastcall83@reddit
Right, the Ohkas had slipped my mind. I was very intentional in using the word Pedantic. As a passing comment, you are correct. I was just adding some more details. 😀
U-GO-GURL-@reddit
No jets during WW2
memeboiandy@reddit
There were jets in ww2, just not many and not really in the pacific theatre. And 2 seperate thoughts, denoted by seperate paragraphs...
Majakowski@reddit
I might be wrong but I think not all of the planes crashed in the same spot.
memeboiandy@reddit
and? all thats known is she went down somewhere in the pacific. finding a plane in the pacific isnt a rare occurrence
God_Damnit_Nappa@reddit
No, that's not all we know. We know she was in radio range of a US Coast Guard ship near Howland Island and their approximate heading. It's likely she went down within 200 miles of Howland Island, but even with the likely crash site narrowed down it's still a lot of deep ocean to search.
Majakowski@reddit
Also your numbers seem to only apply to German losses. The US lost about 15k in the Pacific and the Japanese between 35k and 50k. Which brings your number for the Pacific down to about 65k.Of these all planes on the mainlands and at known locations of major battles can be discounted as well as all planes that were written off after returning home. All planes lost in training can be discounted, all operational losses at airfields can be discounted. This leaves us with way less than your stated numbers.
Majakowski@reddit
They don't just jump into the Pacific "anywhere" and claim that's the plane. Also it wasn't just "somewhere" as it wasn't in the Aleutians, it wasn't in the Seattle area either nor was it near Tokyo or Australia. It can be straddled to a few likely places that fit their flight plan, their destination, prepared contingency plans as well as the possible farthest location based on maximum range. Baker Island and their assumed alternate weren't highly contested islands in the war either, nor were they locations of major battles.
After all, why should Earharts plane - of all the many planes that have been found - be the one to be lost in all eternity? It certainly wasn't eaten without a trace by a monster. To tell from a grainy sonar image that it's a 0 percent chance is the same as claiming that it is the plane with 100% certainty. It has to be visited and either a serial number or unique feature be discovered or the type clarified and checked against loss records to gain any certainty of it being the plane or not.
If you have any information that speak against it being the plane (like the image taken in the Atlantic for example) then please let us know but "there are so many planes in the water" alone is not a reason to rule out it being the one searched for.
Also the swept wing look can be caused by damage to the wreck we don't know the condition after the plane landed and we don't know what forces worked on it when it reached the ocean floor.
There are so many variables that the sonar image alone leaves open. One can only be sure when the wreck is inspected until then, if it is in a generally likely area that fits the flight plan and possible contingency plans and not positively identified as another plane it stays a likely candidate. There is no magical force forbidding any wreck from being Earharts plane.
Jonnyredd@reddit
Thank you for critically thinking for 5 seconds and not following blindly the opinion of the original commenter and parroting the same thing over and over
Dichotomous_Blue@reddit
So you're telling me there's a chance
KennyGaming@reddit
Your confidence is ridiculous.
dpaanlka@reddit
There were no jets in the Pacific theater of WW2.
spazturtle@reddit
Nakajima Kikka used turbojets.
dpaanlka@reddit
“the single completed prototype flew only once”
mtb1443@reddit
But the movie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Final_Countdown_(film) showed there were jets in the Pacific in WW2
memeboiandy@reddit
My point about the war is that there are a shit ton of planes on the floor of the pacific. The odds of stumbling upon a plane wreckage is high while the odds of it being Erharts is extremely low
ThorSkaaaagi@reddit
Love how condescending you are about saying it’s from WWII then you say it could be a jet haha
ApplePearCherry@reddit
Utter pendant moment. There were jets in WW2. Just not here.
I'll see myself out
memeboiandy@reddit
i didnt say it was a jet from ww2, I said a shit ton of planes ended up in the oceans during ww2, and then in an entirely separate thought denoted by a separate paragraph that the sweep angle makes it look like a jet
Cman1200@reddit
Regarding the sweep angle.. that could be due to the impact with the water bending the wings back
Known-Diet-4170@reddit
the shape might just be an artifact of the image, and the overall proportion do mach the ones of a locheed electra (especially the tail) BUT the us navy did operate a lot of locheed venturas wich were very similar (although a bit larger)
HaggisAreReal@reddit
They recreated Hearts of Iron 4 irl? Wild.
dubvee16@reddit
Not going to be a jet in the pacific from WW2.
lastcall83@reddit
That sweep could be damaged wings, too. You have a crash into the ocean that puts stress on the main wing spar, and then, especially with a deep as it is, you have both ocean pressure and the stresses of the sinking itself. While fluid dynamics impact the plane when it's in the air, the density of water can cause additional stress on the air plane. If both main spars broke, we'd likely see broken wings that have been pulled back, giving them a swept back shape. So I would rule out this being an Electra.
Silver996C2@reddit
Wings could have been bent backwards from water impact.🤷♂️
zxcvbn113@reddit
Time for someone to raise a new round of funding for a search? It seems to happen every year.
Silver996C2@reddit
Yeah, someone has made a good career and income out of all this…
swift1883@reddit
If true, they may already have raised it decades ago.
Silver996C2@reddit
Yeah but it’s like that Oak Island TV show looking for buried treasure. It’s been on the air for years and years. You don’t want to find anything in year one - you want to keep dragging it out year after year dropping little hints each year that you’re close to finding the treasure. What’s great gig.
Ratsboy@reddit
oh yeah dude has it easy, I live nearby Oak Island and I don't know anyone who even entertains the idea of taking it seriously.
nooneyouknow242@reddit
So… you are saying the locals just treat the island like a tv set?
The only thing I can’t figure out about that island… why did someone put so much construction underneath the island.
swift1883@reddit
Never heard of it. TV will dumb-out as it dies.
Silver996C2@reddit
Discovery
herzogzwei931@reddit
Billy will find it!
medkitjohnson@reddit
Fine I'll do it just send me the money and I'll look into it trust me
Lysol3435@reddit
We’re looking at you, Leon. You’re a genius. Design the sub yourself. Don’t bother with engineers who are always bitching about regulations and yield strength
gravelpi@reddit
People keep using cylinders and spheres for subs, which is harder to form. I've instructed my engineers to use flat sections of stainless steel for my new CyberSub.
fireduck@reddit
He did say the cybertruck could be a boat..why not a submarine (for a little while).
aussietin@reddit
If you use it as a boat it will quickly become a submarine permanently.
linx0003@reddit
Carbon Fiber all the way.....down....glub glub
Ni987@reddit
It was all fun and games when they made the stainless (cyber) water tower fly
https://www.youtube.com/live/bYb3bfA6_sQ?si=Mc29flGtpqW_omu-
But somehow it evolved to this beast… be careful what you wish for 😂
https://youtu.be/b28zbsnk-48?si=KpHSxbGvBhzr859k
MisterDalliard@reddit
And it's bulletproof! Watch me test it at Challenger Deep!
Straight-Knowledge83@reddit
Leon or Elon?
Lysol3435@reddit
Leon
Straight-Knowledge83@reddit
Insert the Office meme where Pam goes - They are the same picture
crooks4hire@reddit
We got all this extra carbon fiber laying around…why don’t we throw it on there and see what happens?
Lysol3435@reddit
It’s mostly just scraps, so use the good glue!
Ramenastern@reddit
/r/unexpectedmusk
TheTense@reddit
As long as he’s the skipper
Lrrr_von_Omicron@reddit
Wildcat
Devastator 1
Devastator 2
Dunno man, Yorktowns aircraft are pretty incredibly well preserved
tunit2000@reddit
Unless that SAS image on the left is severely distorted, that is not the same aircraft. The wing shape is completely wrong. That's more of a swept wing rather than a taper-taper like on Earhart's.
I guess only time will tell once they can get a craft down there to confirm, but I'm very doubtful about this being her plane.
Narutakikun@reddit
I’d be cautious of getting your hopes up. The South Pacific is littered with WWII plane wrecks - both American and Japanese. It could be any of a thousand of those they’re seeing.
DBond2062@reddit
It hasn’t even been confirmed to be an airplane. So far, it is just an interesting sonar image. First, they need to confirm it is an airplane, then they need to identify it.
Loch-M@reddit (OP)
I’m almost certain it is an airplane. I don’t think that shape can be natural or a glitch. However, if it’s hers or not I’m not entirely sure. I hope it is, but, I saw a comment here and they noticed that the wing is different, and I saw it. So I’m not entirely sure. I hope whatever happened to her that she had a relatively quick or painless death. May she fly even higher in the afterlife. RIP
DBond2062@reddit
You are “almost certain” based on what?
Bad_Anatomy@reddit
I hope she is okay
Loch-M@reddit (OP)
I do too, however that was before ww2 I’m pretty sure (please correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t take offence to people correcting me) so either way she definitely isn’t alive now. Whether she drowned in a crash to the seabed, got eaten by crabs, or just survived and took on a new identity, never to be known, she isn’t alive anymore. RIP
Bad_Anatomy@reddit
It was a joke. Sorry, I should've used a /s or /jk.
You are really kind in the face of incorrect information though. A lot of people would've made a big thing about it. I'd give you an award, but I don't have any, so an upvote will have to do.
coopnm50@reddit
Somebody call up ocean gate to get to the bottom of this
Loch-M@reddit (OP)
Please don’t. I really don’t like Titan memes. It makes me pretty sad, actually. Especially since I seen the footage of the debris being recovered. Even more so when the video of the debris on the seabed was released. Please don’t.
coopnm50@reddit
Can’t dispute that the Titan would in fact be able to get to the bottom of this.
GumnyBear@reddit
I thought she died on an island while using her planes radio at low tide.
Zeelots@reddit
It doesn't add up. Her plane was made of wood and is likely totally unrecognizable. This is certainly another WW2 wreck.
Chago04@reddit
Huh? Electra was an all-metal plane.
mr_sloppy_mcfloppy98@reddit
Didn't they find her skeleton and the other.guys on an island? Something about her plane wrecked on the shore then hot sucked under the waves later. I had to do a current event in high-school about it.
Android_slag@reddit
Remember seeing this. Team shifting through coconut crab holes but found nothing
Alarming-Mongoose-91@reddit
This was a funny story. Ran all over the news then just faded away with no answer.
mcssr500@reddit
Could also be Evel Kneivel riding an alpaca
SnooSongs8218@reddit
It's exponentially more likely to be a B-25 Mitchell or a Nakajima or Kawasaki long range heavy recon fighters... Lots of Japanese twins used in the Pacific had very similar layout to the Lockheed electra, probably because it was a working design and the radial engines were a near copy of the 14 cylinder Wright cyclone engine.
2_Sullivan_5@reddit
I would still love to see it be found. If it still has paint on it that would offer a family a lot of answers. For its depth it looks to be amazingly intact.
SnooSongs8218@reddit
That's another problem in itself, even the engine wake of an ROV might be able to destroy the wreck after 90 years in salt water, it may be intact, but the aluminum sheet would be as fragile as a soggy cracker. Hard to get close enough to get serial numbers, however the aircraft had some very obvious modifications and extra long range navigation antennas that if visible would be enough proof without having to worry about destroying the aircraft. The Titanic has inch thick hull plating and is dissolving, aluminum in salt water with thickness less than 1/8" probably only remains intact because of the depth and lack of being disturbed. I sincerely hope that they employ experienced deep oceanographic trained archeologists when the site is accessible, otherwise, I fear the aircraft will be destroyed by the over exuberance of a film crew in a submersible.
imeatinmangos@reddit
Now I'm imagining your comment combined with another comment, and James Cameron makes a movie about Evil Kneivel's lesser known stunt.
faughnjj@reddit
Are you sure it's not Tony Hawk kick flipping a donkey?
JohnnyChutzpah@reddit
I def see the kickflip stance, but I think it’s more a velociraptor.
Do we know where Tony hawk was when this all went down? The authorities should question him and his involvement in raptors.
PhatPhingerz@reddit
/r/WhatIsMyCookieCutter
6inarowmakesitgo@reddit
LMAOOOOO. Fuck you good sir, fuck you. Have my upvote.
CouchPotatoFamine@reddit
Jumping the fountains at Caesar's Palace, too.
StartingToLoveIMSA@reddit
This has my vote.
mojojojojojojojom@reddit
Her poor navigator, always forgotten. Fred Noonan.
DBond2062@reddit
Poor is right, since they wound up lost
DauphDaddy@reddit
Reported to be hung-over a lot during flights. I wonder if that had anything to do with their demise. "Critics say that Noonan, although without question a top-flight navigator, was a hopeless alcoholic who was either drunk or hung over when most needed."
Kind_sadness@reddit
I honestly don't think it's her plane. I want it to be so badly but it just doesn't look the same. The wings are shaped differently... May I also take a moment to brag that I'm related to Amelia Earhart (according to a relative's research). She's one on my favorite icons so I'm proud to be a distant part of the fam ^^
Turbo442@reddit
I see a body laying I. Front of the left wing. Some one needs to pull that thing up, restore it and re-create the flight.
NoResult486@reddit
Turned out to be a school of fish in an airplane costume
AutoModerrator-69@reddit
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AmericanoWsugar@reddit
They got us good.
johnsmith1234567890x@reddit
Where is Titan sub when you need it...
BlacksmithNZ@reddit
Well, the Titan sub is right now, quite deep underwater like a sub is supposed to be...
^(too soon?)
robertbreadford@reddit
The side by side pics as if two random fucking airplanes don’t already have a similar shape lol
BlacksmithNZ@reddit
Exactly. Other than the sort of aircraft that appears on r/WeirdWings, pretty much any aircraft is going to have fuselage, with wings towards the forward part of the fuselage, and tail empennage.
I would say the sonar image does look to have twin tail rudders, so that a distinctive Lockheed feature, but the twin nacelles on the wings look to be missing.
Assume heavy, dense engines are going to reflect sonar well so should be visible. Maybe the engines have become dislocated from the rest of the aircraft after the crash or the last 80+ years of resting on the floor, but still not convinced they are a match without a lot better images
Weakgainer0@reddit
Not sure what this story is, but to me it kinda looks like a mig
armored-dinnerjacket@reddit
what would a mig be doing in that area of the world tho?
riko77can@reddit
That was my very first thought when I saw the image.
UnderThenUp@reddit
I can kinda see a Mig-15 or Mig-17 in that now you’ve pointed it out. Looks a bit more like a Mig than it does an Electra because of the swept wings, but also it’s a sonar image so it could just be distorted
F1DrivingZombie@reddit
It’s possible that whatever impact with the water happened distorted the wings as well. Could also be lying at an angle, the sonar image could be distorted, etc. too many variable to speculate too far without actually going down there
Sirboomsalot_Y-Wing@reddit
I’m pretty sure the wings are just broken.
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Weakgainer0@reddit
I think it's also because it has such a small wingspan, it would also have to be a single prop if some prop since there don't seem to be engines on its wings.
supportisraelkeys@reddit
Yes i agree with you about the swept wings but about the engines it looks like they could have fallen off and a bit infront of the left wing (from the pilots pov) there is a shape that could be the engine but i am not shure about that
vy_you@reddit
The one with the NATO reporting name that we don't mention that is hononymous with a Russian atgm?
Weakgainer0@reddit
Yeah, maybe even the technique of mural painting executed upon freshly laid like plaster. Also a very low chance of being a person engaged in agriculture, raising living organisms for food or raw materials.
controltheweb@reddit
Not a plane, a sonar echo that looks plane-like.
elmariachi304@reddit
Wherever it is, it’s not in one piece like the picture on the left
Dependent_Range_8661@reddit
Aluminum in salt water for a 100 years, i dont know about you, but i doubt there is anything to find
joshwagstaff13@reddit
Aluminium is rather stable on it's own, provided the oxide layer is intact.
So the issue isn't aluminium in a saltwater environment, but rather galvanic corrosion due to aluminium and other metals in direct contact in a saltwater environment.
Lrrr_von_Omicron@reddit
Yorktown’ aircraft are pretty darn well preserved
Spec_GTI@reddit
Impressive
Majakowski@reddit
The planes next to the Lexington looked almost pristine with even the paint still visible.
richbiatches@reddit
Its a little-known fact that they actually turned back and spent the rest of their lives hiding out in Bakersfield.
MainiacJoe@reddit
Based on that sonar and line why would they think it's Earhart and not, say, an IJN bomber?
Rougaroux1969@reddit
Deep Sea Vision used a Kongsberg Hugin 6000 AUV for surveying the sea floor and found this among their sonar hits. They evidently ran out of time or money, or the weather turned to shit, but the next step is to send the AUV out with high res still strobe cameras and circle the area taking photos. Other option is to use an ROV, but I don't think they have one. No need to send a manned submersible.
NauticalNomad24@reddit
Most useful context I’ve seen so far, thank you Sir (or Ma’am)
nighthawke75@reddit
They will send an ROV or camera sled down first to determine what it is.
vintain@reddit
I really doubt that planes structure would be intact. Finding MH370 is already like a needle in a haystack. No way are we finding her plane.
Miserable-Lawyer-233@reddit
They found it accidentally. If they had a gentle water landing it could’ve remained intact.
NetDork@reddit
What was the result of that one several years ago where a plane the right size was just off the shore of a tiny island and there were human remains on the island? I thought that was practically a slam dunk. Did I dream the whole thing?
Miserable-Lawyer-233@reddit
They never confirmed that it was a plane.
talented-dpzr@reddit
She was almost certainly captured by the Japanese because they were fortifying the islands in the area she was flying through in violation of international law.
Candygramformrmongo@reddit
It's always worth remembering she wasn't alone on her last flight. Fred Noonan was her navigator.
Street-Baseball8296@reddit
And Fred’s screw ups got them both killed.
toad__warrior@reddit
Not sure of your background, but dead reckoning is challenging in the best of times. Drift was normal. Over land you have references, over water there are none.
They were warned that this segment was dangerous because the distance over water left them with no cues to check their drift.
NacktmuII@reddit
Captain Janeway entered the chat
SeenSoManyThings@reddit
Here's to the 37!
Mrs-Ethel-Potter@reddit
Looks like an old Lockheed with a triple fin stabilizer, like a Constellation.
TrekFan1701@reddit
Don't bother. She's in stasis on an alien world in the Delta Quadrant.
OneRFeris@reddit
No, she's in the Charybdis system on Charybdis III.
candlelight_solace_@reddit
Thats just a clone smh my head
drifter3026@reddit
r/UnexpectedVoyager
neversimpleorpure@reddit
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/30/travel/amelia-earhart-missing-plane-pacific-ocean-scn/index.html
FastPatience1595@reddit
Total bullshit.
loyroy@reddit
the coconut crabs planted the plane there to frame their innocence
-SlapBonWalla-@reddit
Surely deny, because she was a human, not an airplane.
Bucentaurer25@reddit
Wait... I think a wreck and a body matching her description and belongings was found a while ago... It was just that a mysterious disappearance is more exciting than the truth.
If anyone remembers what I am talking about please right me if I am wrong.
Vast_Vegetable9222@reddit
Source?
Bucentaurer25@reddit
Ok so I looked it up again. It seems there is a team TIGHAR that seems to think they found the remains of Earhart on Gardner Island and base their theory on a jar of cream and some personal products buuuuut it is not conclusive.
So indeed might not be solved as their findings does not seem to be credible enough and does not prove whose bones it was, so it is all a theory still.
I remembered reading about it a few years ago but my brain did not register details in full, it was just a fun bit I read a while ago.
KaiJustissCW@reddit
An aluminum panel that could belong to the 10-E Electra and some bones that were possibly turtle or human were found.
xxZeroCool@reddit
According to The International Group for Historic Aircraft Recovery (TIGHAR), it is not the Lockheed Electra Model 10, Amelia Earhart's aircraft. Here is what they said about it.
"The Lockheed Model 10 was built around an immensely strong center section that featured a massive 'main beam' that ran through the cabin and all the way from engine to engine. For the wings of an Electra to fold rearward, as shown in the sonar image, the entire center section would have to fail at the wing/fuselage junctions - and that's just not possible. If the sonar image shows an airplane, it's most likely one if several 1950's era swept-wing-carrier based types. Fuel exhaustion and 'cold cat shot' accidents were not uncommon. In such deep water, salvage would be out of the question. "
motty666@reddit
Thanks
cute_charge_tax@reddit
TigHar is a scam. look it up.
motty666@reddit
Ok
bakehaus@reddit
If they confirmed it, you would know. It would have been a pretty substantial news story
KaiJustissCW@reddit
“If the headline is a question, the answer is no.”
svh01973@reddit
On the other hand, denials rarely make a big splash in the news and could have easily gone unnoticed.
Can_Not_Double_Dutch@reddit
TIGHAR has pulled some pretty good evidence off the island that Earhart survived on the island for a bit, just not the one definitive piece.
MandolinMagi@reddit
TIGHAR are a bunch of grifters who've never found anything and exist to make money off not finding the plane yet again...but hey maybe we'll find nothing again next year!
They're up there with Oak Island for fake historical archeology
cute_charge_tax@reddit
This.
Majakowski@reddit
It'll be a case of a crushed body underneath a freshly broken 16 ton boulder but nobody can rule out it died of a stroke.
DogWallop@reddit
Any search needs to happen just outside the reefline of the formerly named Gardner Island (can't remember it's modern name). It's most likely that she landed on the reefs and remained above the waterline such that the radio stayed dry and all electricals still worked, such that she could transmit for a few days after the crash.
cute_charge_tax@reddit
bob ballard did this exact thing in 2019 before covid hit, complete reefline scans and everything around the island with state of the art tech. Found Nothing, Everything was documented by Nat-geo, it is called expedition amelia, is available on disney+ for view. No evidence of the plane found in the water around gardener.
bearlysane@reddit
Except that that’s completely the wrong area to be looking.
sashir@reddit
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/03/07/bones-found-south-pacific-likely-amelia-earharts-researcher-says/404452002/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/07/24/amelia-earhart-birthday-distress-call/782617002/
There's some evidence that it was her. The artifacts found lined up, the area was plausible, and radio signals were heard from a downed woman aviator for days after her disappearance. Still not fully confirmed given the aircraft hasn't been found.
Majakowski@reddit
Nikumaroro it is called today.
Gangakingone@reddit
Josh Gates of expedition unknown would be a great resource to get this checked out!
InQuintsWeTrust@reddit
He would do it too. I’ve only heard nice things about Josh.
Gangakingone@reddit
Oh definitely I believe the first episode of expedition x was about Amelia Earhart as well, it would be a nice continuation after all these years!
bike-pdx-vancouver@reddit
E/A-6B Prowler
Kafshak@reddit
Are we even sure it's an airplane?
Aimin4ya@reddit
I heard she was captured by the Japanese while flying recon missions for America
burnsniper@reddit
Someone call Oceangate to check it out/s
Thick_Border_3756@reddit
What’s the story? And where?
Sirboomsalot_Y-Wing@reddit
It has not been confirmed yet. It could also be a Mitsubishi G3M, which was also a twin-engine, twin vertical stabilizer aircraft that was known to have operated in the area during WW2.
Vakua_Lupo@reddit
It certainly looks like it might be the plane.
Character_Fold_8165@reddit
I could confirm or deny, but at this point I choose to do neither .
nameitginger@reddit
Can confirm it
Notonfoodstamps@reddit
It’s in the right location and of the right size that there is enough probably cause to investigate the wreck… it’s just happens to like at least -16,000’ below the surface.
There’s a very limited supply of ROV’s or DSV’s that can dive that deep
straightedge1974@reddit
There hasn't been confirmation yet. This is the company that discovered the wreckage, I'm sure when they embark on the next excursion with more sensors, they'll post about it. https://x.com/DeepSeaVision This company is working on it as well. https://nauticos.com/
winchester_mcsweet@reddit
Looks like there's very few airworthy Lockheed electras left, they're really cool planes.
ImmortalSquire@reddit
"Ik I'm late", yeah #87 fucking years
Radw@reddit
It's only me that sees a cat there?
iboreddd@reddit
Our lack of knowledge of ocean surface makes me nervous
CodeMonkeyPhoto@reddit
There were enough differences that most experts thought it was a Japanese plane, and also the company has said they have found Amelia's plane without any actual evidence.
Felaguin@reddit
Just looking at the sonar picture, it didn’t seem like the right configuration for her plane.
itsyournameidiot@reddit
Pretty interesting story about her disappearance. Bradford Washburn was a pioneering photographer, mountaineer, and cartographer known for his aerial photography and mapping work in Alaska’s rugged mountains. In the 1930s, he crossed paths with famed aviator Amelia Earhart when she sought his advice on navigation challenges for her flights.
Earhart even invited him to be her navigator for her 1937 world flight attempt. Washburn declined due to other commitments and concerns about the risks involved.
He had warned Earhart about navigation difficulties in remote areas like the Pacific, specifically near isolated islands with limited radio support. Ironically, Earhart and her navigator, Fred Noonan, went missing in that exact area near Howland Island.
fighter_pil0t@reddit
That’s not irony. That’s foreshadowing.
itsyournameidiot@reddit
Very true
icarlythejackel@reddit
Who needs to go down there? I've no doubt the History Channel has already proclaimed it 100 percent, gotta be, no ahit her plane. And by God, that's good enough for me.
Work-Foreign@reddit
Kinda looks like an anchor
weaponized_chef@reddit
It's believed to be them but I don't think solid confirmation yet.