ASUS announces early-November availability of ProArt 5K display (PA27JCV)
Posted by Balance-@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 82 comments
Posted by Balance-@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 82 comments
werbeflow@reddit
im still waiting for a release date in germany. no shop has listed it and theres no price tag on it.
Soaddk@reddit
I asked my company’s supplier (Atea) about availability and they said Q1 unfortunately. This is in Denmark.
thebuttonmonkey@reddit
Same here in the UK. Figures crossed it's soon.
monkeydportgas@reddit
Same here. I only found out about this monitor today but I am really interested in. Hopefully it will be available soon here in the EU
rkmarthy@reddit
Ordered it to pair it with new M4 Mac Mini. I will receive it on Friday. I was contemplating this vs upcoming 6k from Asus. Figured 6k will be at least double the price. Went with 5k.
BorreBoy@reddit
Can you control volume and brightness from the Mac keyboard or do you have to do it on the monitor?
zippy1990@reddit
Well? How is it?
rkmarthy@reddit
Display is amazing. Brightness and screen real estate is fantastic. Paired with M1 MacBook. Waiting for Mac Mini to arrive.
rkmarthy@reddit
I can’t seem to upload a pic to this thread, any idea how to upload pic?
As for monitor (I am not a gamer, I do lot of reading, programming and a bit of streaming. PPI and screen resolution is imp for me and I couldn’t justify ~$1200 for Apple studio display) 1. Resolution and clarity(ppi) are amazing 2. Monitor has inbuilt power brick, cable is neat and slim for cable management 3. USB C power delivery is amazing to tidy up desk
I haven’t played with color profiles, brightness etc. Only MacBook is shared with my 9yr old and it is a power struggle to get dedicated laptop time. Hoping to get M4 Mac Mini to hook it up to experience screen and Mac Mini.
PhotojournalistNo721@reddit
Thank you for providing real user usage data and not just regurgitating a spec sheet 🙏
okayBwana@reddit
Thanks for the photos, I’m thinking of getting this monitor for my MacBook as well. Can you please try enabling hdr mode in Macbook settings to see the result? It’s so hard to find monitors that work in that mode with decent color. All of my hdr 600 and 1000 monitors over saturate and lose color accuracy when this mode is enabled. I’m hoping this one might work as expected? Thank you!
zippy1990@reddit
I think you’d have to upload it somewhere and post the link here. Something like https://postimages.org should work.
rkmarthy@reddit
Yep, that’s what I was thinking, thx for link
hybridfrost@reddit
I'd be curious your thoughts on it compared to an Apple Studio if you have one/tried one. It would be nice to add another 5K monitor but not have to pay double the price!
zippy1990@reddit
Nice to hear, how is the text clarity? Can you share a picture maybe?
rkmarthy@reddit
Just one quick comment, power unit is embedded into display and the cable is lean and speak. It makes it super easy for cable management and who are OCD about it.
LovelyCushiondHeader@reddit
What cables are included in the box? (USB-C, DP, etc.)
rkmarthy@reddit
Included cables USB C and HDMI. I am using USB C cable that came with monitor.
YegoBear@reddit
I hope it's only double the price.
rkmarthy@reddit
Good point, double the price is still good deal
RetraceNGo@reddit
I called B&H today and did the same on this monitor.
rkmarthy@reddit
Hope you love it, post your experience.
If you’re looking for good company who makes great monitors, resolution and PPI are imp than screen size, this is a worthy alternative to studio display, with huge cost difference. You will sacrifice on True HDR, you won’t get OLED like picture quality. Some pros and cons, depending on your preferences.
Balance-@reddit (OP)
Let us know how you like it!
SolarisSpace@reddit
Is it matte, though? I hate matte- Glossy (with a good anti-reflective coating) is the king for best quality images and text fonts.
LovelyCushiondHeader@reddit
Hurry up and release it in Europe.
Early November, my ass.
rolandinho1001@reddit
Some shops have it listed in the Netherlands and Belgium, just not in stock yet. prices around 800 euro
rkmarthy@reddit
Here are some pictures
https://postimg.cc/ZvWzghTY https://postimg.cc/k2Q3LsdS https://postimg.cc/9zkh9zpD https://postimg.cc/23yY3n4p
Rufus_Anderson@reddit
I've heard of some owners saying the screen coating makes the display grainy similar to people who dislike the Apple Nano Coating. Have you found this to be an issue?
rkmarthy@reddit
It’s matte finish and I did notice a bit graininess. But when I change display background picture or view YouTube content, I didn’t notice any graininess. Screen is not OLED, and I have never used one. But based on my reading and checking display in stores, colors and screen pops up on OLED screens. I will spend bit more time and post back on screen graininess. I prioritize scaling, screen size (minimum 27 inch) and price and settled with this.
Balance-@reddit (OP)
Looks awesome, hoe does ik work with Mac?
jarcsp@reddit
It’s primarily designed for Mac, featuring an optimal ‘retina’ resolution that ensures no non-integer scaling is needed. This means the display can show content at native resolution using exact multiples of pixels, maintaining perfect clarity. Unlike non-integer scaling (e.g., 1.5x or 1.25x), which can lead to blurriness due to pixel interpolation, integer scaling (e.g., 1x, 2x) keeps visual elements sharp and true to their intended appearance.
Old_Parking_5932@reddit
The author of the review at kitgugu.net connected the monitor to Mac and it seems to work. I haven't seen complaints from him
HopefulPlane3628@reddit
I’m looking at running 2 of these with a Caldigit TS4 and MBP M1 Pro. The Caldigit website says dual 5K monitors with that dock requires DSC 1.2 (Display Stream Compression) and DP 1.4 HBR3. It also points out the LG Ultrafine 5K doesn’t support DSC.
Does anyone know if the Asus supports DSC?
PhotojournalistNo721@reddit
Did you mean to say "requires DSC 1.2 (Display Stream Compression) [or] DP 1.4 HBR3"?
HopefulPlane3628@reddit
The Caldigit site says “and” - https://www.caldigit.com/thunderbolt-station-4/
CarbonatedPancakes@reddit
Finally! It’s about time that more 5k 27” options arrive. I like that it’s geared toward professional use and is “just” a monitor too, unlike the Samsung 5k 27” which seems more consumer-oriented and runs Tizen.
PhotojournalistNo721@reddit
Samsung Viewfinity S9 27" 5k monitor was garbage. I bought one massively on sale and returned after just 2 days.
THE BAD: The fact that basic monitor functionality was hidden behind the stupid Smart TV interface was one issue. It took more than 20 actions to change brightness!
THE UGLY: There was a strong radial gradient in brightness across the panel, meaning that, if you were looking at the middle of the monitor, the monitor appeared dimmer the further away you got. This seemed to be a symptom of low viewing angle. But just imagine you are a photo editor trying to actually apply a radial gradient to your photo - you have no way to tell the actual relative brightness due to the "built-in" radial gradient!
It is as if the monitor designers never actually tested their own product.
CarbonatedPancakes@reddit
That’s wild.
I’m not really surprised. Though I haven’t used one, several aspects of the S9 read as phoned in and generally cheap.
If nothing else it’s aimed at undiscerning consumer type users than it is even “prosumers”, let alone actual professional usage. That makes it weird though because someone who isn’t bothered by major picture flaws like you’ve mentioned wouldn’t probably be just as happy with a cheaper 27” 4k monitor. I have no idea who this thing is for.
PhotojournalistNo721@reddit
100%.
The TV aspect is even sillier. If I wanted a TV, I could just...buy a TV? If I didn't want a separate screen for TV, I could just...stream from my browser? Gawd. I could go on and on.
Old_Parking_5932@reddit
I'm wondering when we finally see 8K monitors available, and high resolution options from top tier vendors like Eizo. It's sad that NEC exited monitor market
nagynorbie@reddit
Considering Apple just introduced a whole suite of products with thunderbolt 5, more high res options are definitely very likely
terkistan@reddit
Specs on the Asus site say it uses DisplayPort 1.4, but v1.4 is from 2016, and the latest version is 2.1a from January of this year. Seems like a big miss given many updates and enhancements to the DisplayPort standard over the years.
PhotojournalistNo721@reddit
It does seem like a big miss, but also consider that Nvidia's current GPU lineup (RTX 4060 - RTX 4090) only supports DisplayPort 1.4. Nvidia has something like 88% of the GPU market share, so I begrudgingly admit that it makes business sense for Asus to stay with DisplayPort 1.4.
Fadelesstriker@reddit
For anyone wondering. Panel Type: IPS Brightness (Typ.): 400cd/m² Brightness (HDR, Peak): 500 cd/m²
leoklaus@reddit
No HDR on a display that expensive is really a bummer, even if it’s probably not needed for its main use case.
Old_Parking_5932@reddit
Just $800 is inexpensive for a high res monitor. HDR might be needed for graphics professionals but lack of it is not a problem. The key here is that we finally have a 5K monitor with KVM available to buy. Asus also announced a 6K 32" and 8K 32" monitors, hope to see them available.
It is weird to see lack of progress in monitor space recent years, that there is no 8K monitor in 2024
PhotojournalistNo721@reddit
My hunch is the lack of progress for high-resolution monitors is due to bandwidth limitations of HDMI and particularly USB-C 3.2. Why would monitor manufacturers dedicate resources to building devices that exceed the hard limit of 4k at 60 Hz? You will notice that most high refresh monitors operate at resolutions lower than 4k.
USB-C is a confusing term that is not actually a specification - it is merely the shape of the plug. Most implementations are running USB 3.2, which is limited to 4k at 60Hz, and this is not likely to change until maybe widespread USB4 (40 Gbps) adoption. USB4 is also allowed to be sold in a half-bandwidth configuration (20 Gbps) to maximize confusion and increase the chances of display incompatibility.
HDMI 2.0 (released 2013) added support for 4k at 60 Hz, so that was a hard limit on either resolution or refresh rate. HDMI 2.1 has since fixed that, supporting 4k at 120 Hz, but it has not necessarily been adopted by every component manufacturer on both the GPU-side and the display-side.
I had high hopes for Thunderbolt 3/4, but Thunderbolt is a compatibility nightmare for Windows desktop PCs. At best, it is a duct-taped workaround.
thadooderino@reddit
Has HDR
leoklaus@reddit
Apart from the more modern feature set, this seems to be pretty much on par with the LG Ultrafine 5K from 2016, which wasn't that much more expensive in recent years. Given that decent monitors with well working local dimming (and 4K QD-Oled panels) exist at prices lower than that, I'd say the Asus is really not that great of a deal unless you really need those extra pixels and the built in KVM.
I don't think 8K makes much sense in a monitor (or TV, for that matter), I doubt there's much of a noticeable improvement beyond 5 or 6K at a reasonable viewing distance.
Old_Parking_5932@reddit
Yes, extra pixels is a big deal. I easily see the difference between my current 165 dpi monitor and 218 dpi laptop. I highly prefer 218 dpi. I also seen a \~300 dpi laptop and it was impressive. So yes, the more pixels, the better assuming good display quality. Even 280 dpi (32" 8K) is less than a reasonably low resolution laser print.
And yes, KVM is a must since many people have a work laptop and a personal laptop/PC. At least it is a must for me, and I welcome KVM here. Unfortunately, Asus still says nothing regarding their 8K 32" monitor they announced in April, I hope it will not be a paper release like all other 8K I'm aware of. And this 8K lacks KVM
CarbonatedPancakes@reddit
People who want 5k generally value resolution over FALD, and for the kinds of uses monitors like this see (which involve large portions of the screen image being static for long periods of time), OLED despite its improvements is still seen as something of a liability. IPS monitors targeted at the same audience im the past often see 10+ years of heavy usage with very little degradation, which not even the best OLED panels are likely capable of right now.
So from that perspective, yes this is a deal. Further price cuts are still welcome, though.
thadooderino@reddit
It has HDR
leoklaus@reddit
It can decode HDR. 500 nits peak brightness on an IPS panel without local dimming can not deliver an actual HDR image.
Fadelesstriker@reddit
Yeah it’s not really “Pro”Art with such poor contrast either.
CarbonatedPancakes@reddit
Contrast ratios aren’t of that much importance to artists past 1000:1 or so. The Apple Studio Display has a worse contrast ratio than this and yet is commonly found in graphics design and video editing (much of which isn’t and will continue to not be HDR).
Color reproduction and in this case resolution are more important, as is the ability to be used with a high percentage of the screen being static for long periods without degradation.
xpodxxpodx@reddit
why isn't it at 144hz? I'd buy it in a heart beat.
jarcsp@reddit
Only a recent Mac mini M4 Pro or any m4 Pro Mac could run it, it needs more bandwidth than TB4 can provide... so TB is required.
theorist9@reddit
For me, the one key downside to the other current non-Apple ≈220 ppi externals (Samsung 5k, Dell 6k) is they're matte only. That's great for photo/video work, but I don't like it for text because it reduces the sharpness and creates a sparkling snowfield effect on white backgrounds. [*If you're ever in an Apple store, do a side-by-side comparison of the glossy and matte ASD's.] Plus Apple's glossy coating is superb--as glossy coatings go, it's excellent at reducing relfections.
So I'm wondering what kind of surface coating this one has. I can't tell from the the marketing material, which describes it as follows, though it's promising that they say it doesn't soften the image like regular matte sufaces:
"The inclusion of LuxPixel technology gives the panel an anti-glare, low-reflection (AGLR) coating for a paper-like screen effect. Unlike traditional matte panel finishes that soften the image, LuxPixel technology minimizes distracting reflections to ensure pixel-perfect colors and sharp image detail."
The price is appealing -- $799 retail, and it should eventually be available discounted, possibly in the $600 range.
6EG8MFYoh52@reddit
The author of the following review didn't like the anti-reflective coating:
https://www.kitguru.net/peripherals/dominic-moass/asus-proart-pa27jcv-review-5k-60hz-professional-monitor/8/
theorist9@reddit
Thanks! I run three displays, and while it looks like it wouldn't work for me as my main monitor, it would probably be fine as one of my two side monitors.
Balance-@reddit (OP)
Professional-grade 27” 5K (5120 x 2880) USB-C monitor designed for content creators offers Delta E<2 color accuracy and 99% DCI-P3 gamut
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Old_Parking_5932@reddit
That's ok. The market is full of gaming monitors with extreme 3-digits refresh rate, but there are almost none high resolution productivity monitors. I never had any inconvenience with my current 60 Hz 4K monitor, but look for a high resolution one. A 5K monitor with these specs and at this price is a step in the right direction. However, 5K resolution is still not enough, though. Waiting for 8K and surprised there are no 8K monitors still in 2024
1mVeryH4ppy@reddit
$799 is actually a pretty reasonable price. Was expecting way higher.
IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES@reddit
60HZ Id figured, but 500/cd m2 seems to be where the sub 1000 price came from.
conquer69@reddit
It's a steep price for an IPS 60hz display. You can get like 3 4K IPS monitors for that amount.
dagmx@reddit
There’s no competition in the 5k range at that price and it’s a very significant resolution difference despite the label.
Caffdy@reddit
yep, people here still using their "gamer" brain, this kind of monitor has at most 2 competitors, and one is Apple Display. the price is excellent
Emperor_Idreaus@reddit
People are silly lol - no wonder the industry is all chaotic
red286@reddit
You're talking to a guy who wants a gaming monitor.
He's not going to care about the resolution since he's running it at 1440p anyway. He's not going to care about the colour accuracy, he's not going to care about the gamut, he's not going to care about the auto-KVM, he's not going to care about the integrated notebook docking station.
He's literally not going to care about anything other than the refresh rate, which is low for gamers, so he's going to shit all over this and not understand why everyone thinks he's a tool and wonders why he didn't just keep his yap shut if he was looking for a gaming monitor.
StarbeamII@reddit
There is an argument that 120Hz would be useful to display 24fps content without judder
MXC_Vic_Romano@reddit
You're not getting that at this price point as 5k/120fps would require better I/O like TB5.
NeighborhoodOdd9584@reddit
DisplayPort 2.1 can do 5k 120 no problem.
MXC_Vic_Romano@reddit
Sure, and that'd be in a higher price tier not this one.
Life_Menu_4094@reddit
Now that there are a number of 27" 5k displays coming out, I hope someone revives the old 21.5" 4K display size to complete the Ultrafine revival.
bunsenfhoneydew@reddit
What other ones are coming out?
Life_Menu_4094@reddit
BenQ PD2730S. Plus the samsung that's already out.
bunsenfhoneydew@reddit
Ah hadn’t heard of the BenQ -thanks.
traveler19395@reddit
I just got an in-stock notification from B&H
rkmarthy@reddit
looks like B&H started to ship the 5k Asus display PA27JCV
WuWaCamellya@reddit
One day the dream of 5k 120hz for pixel perfect 1440p gaming and perfect 200% scaling for desktop will be real. For now at the price this is probably mainly a Studio Display competitor which would pair really nicely with the M4 Mac Minis honestly, while being like half the price.
Shehzman@reddit
That would be fantastic if it came in 27 inches. 5k on the desktop for sharp text/images and 1440p in games to get good performance with good enough image quality.