Ballot Boxes set on fire in three states.
Posted by ThisIsAbuse@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 520 comments
Ballot boxes set on fire in three states.
I will not make this political as I don't see any suspects arrested or intel on who, or what, is behind this. However the point is I think there is going to be more turmoil and incidents around the election. Keep your preps up for any protests or disruptions over the next month or so.
ParticularMuted2795@reddit
Scary stuff. I’m pretty anxious about the next few months regardless of the election results.
LengthinessWarm987@reddit
Merrick Garland is such a joke, why aren't something as important as this guarded by law enforcement?
H0SS_AGAINST@reddit
See, we used to tolerate each other's opinions enough to not commit a litany of felonies and misdemeanors to silence them. However, since 2020/21 all that shit went out the window thanks to a handfull of Republicans and their cult leader, thus we have begun to slide down the slippery slope.
Pearl-2017@reddit
No we didn't.
Look I'm anti MAGA & all that but just think about their slogan. Think about when America was "great". A large portion of the country couldn't vote back then.
H0SS_AGAINST@reddit
I don't have historical delusions of greatness but I do remember a time when the democratic process and the election itself had some level of sanctity from both sides. Now one side has a huge cohort that thinks the whole thing is rigged, challenging the results with violence, and apparently some particularly bad actors looking to destroy votes.
Purple-Macaroon5948@reddit
Apparently, you don't remember Hillary claiming a rigged election when she lost, lol
H0SS_AGAINST@reddit
I must have missed that, and when a bunch of liberals broke into the capital calling for Joe Biden's head.
Purple-Macaroon5948@reddit
You missed the entire antifa thing? Did you at least catch the Summer of Love?
H0SS_AGAINST@reddit
Antifa? You mean that right wing hoax?
BigDaddyThunderpants@reddit
True, but there was a time when the Republican candidate was somebody like John McCain.
I don't think that's what they mean by making America great again (you're probably right there) but I for one would like to go back to, you know, somewhat reasonable candidates.
CasanovaPreen@reddit
Tolerant John McCain? Who publicly used anti-Asian slurs?
StokoeCow@reddit
Did ya miss the whole BLM thing where karma caught up to Saint Floyd and the left chomped out for a year?
Front_Cherry7997@reddit
Your account was created 5 days ago. How's it going commie? Getting enough vodka and potatoes?
StokoeCow@reddit
And another will be created. And another, my censorious Communist comrade.
Front_Cherry7997@reddit
Yeah comrade
StokoeCow@reddit
Indeed. How are you enjoying the KamalaKuntKrash?
KeystoneComputing@reddit
The Reddit mental disorder - just blame the republican for literally everything wrong with the country while shoving your head entirely up your own ass. Works every time!
H0SS_AGAINST@reddit
So you presume the ballot box arsonists are Republicans?
Katedawg801@reddit
Yeah they were. One guys been arrested. There were tweets on X from obviously fake accounts telling people how to light them up & suggesting they go to places like Portland OR
H0SS_AGAINST@reddit
That was my attempt at the Conservative "gotcha" question. 😅
intothewoods76@reddit
I mean was Harris inside? Because people are shooting at Trump.
H0SS_AGAINST@reddit
Harris has never said anything that could even be remotely construed as a call to violence. But nice straw man.
intothewoods76@reddit
What’s the point of your statement? To show support for the would be assassins?
tkb072003@reddit
Agreed. That’s why ballots should have individual serial numbers and require identification to verify the person voting qualifies.
marylittleton@reddit
Every single voter fraud incident I read about it’s always a magat trying to tip the scale. Regardless, ever hear of secret ballots? It’s the cornerstone of democracy dude. Keeping it so is far more important than a handful of crooked Trumpers casting ballots for dead aunt sally.
Legal-Paper-9817@reddit
Serializing would keep them from being run through and counted more than once and would not tie the identity of the voter to a specific ballot.
ludefisk@reddit
Because the states would moan and howl about unwarranted federal oversight in what is otherwise a state-led effort.
TriggerMeTimbers8@reddit
As they should. Elections, including federal, are state responsibility.
picklednspiced@reddit
Nice theory, but look at where we are now. How many states have strategically placed people willing to commit fraud and crime to get the cult leader back in office. These are unprecedented times and something needs to be done. There is no UNITED States if states get to function as tools of cult leaders and foreign influence.
TriggerMeTimbers8@reddit
Seek help. The only “side” committing fraud and crimes to get their candidate elected are the Dems. Just because judges are too afraid to allow cases to go forward does not discount the massive piles of evidence.
This is no “theory”. It’s the actual law per the constitution.
picklednspiced@reddit
You are staggeringly gullible
Fit_Run_8000@reddit
That philosophy warms my heart almost as much as the burning ballot boxes…
meandthemissus@reddit
If only there were some way to collect votes at a manned station. Maybe we could set a day for it and tell everybody to go to a polling station of some sort to safely cast their ballots.
No, that's crazy talk, that would never work...
SoggyContribution239@reddit
Even further, let’s make it a paid national holiday and not one of those ones only banks and government workers get. A holiday like the Fourth of July where we go vote and then grill out.
BigDaddyThunderpants@reddit
I would 100% support this!
Free bottle rocket with proof of vote!
No_Biscotti_7258@reddit
“Uhm actually that’s racist” or something?
Unique-Coffee5087@reddit
My wife and I voted early and in person. It is a great relief to know that our ballots are already in the can.
StokoeCow@reddit
Or you get get off your fat ass and vote in person. Just a thought.
SurprisedWildebeest@reddit
Guards could also be seen as voter intimidation
thebraxton@reddit
Because it's done by the states
LankyGuitar6528@reddit
Too right! Garland was an Obama pick for the Supreme court because he was supposed to appeal to Team Red Hat. But that didn't happen. Why on earth would Biden put him in charge of Justice? Garland is such a weak dithering old fool.
WillBottomForBanana@reddit
You know why.
Maximum_Talk_696@reddit
Tell us.
Chogo82@reddit
Me too. There were hints dropped at the MSG rally that Johnson will leverage the house to make things happen if the outcome is unwanted.
ParticularMuted2795@reddit
Yep. I saw that. When did “we the people” become “ us of congress.” Regardless of the side that would attempt this, it is disgusting.
Tiny-Government-9676@reddit
We’ve been an oligarchy of the 1% for a while now.
Future-Basis1576@reddit
Kleptocracy
TheModeDial@reddit
Scatocracy.
SpecialistOk3384@reddit
When they started saying we're a Republic in the old definition, not a democracy.
YodaCodar@reddit
Representative democracies are not really democracies
madmoomix@reddit
"Squares are not really rectangles."
YodaCodar@reddit
It's because we are a constitutional republic that you can't vote on certain things. For example slavery, congress shall not vote for slavery or anything infringing things in the bill of rights.
You're ignorant but also annoying.
PalePhilosophy2639@reddit
Considering how absurdly low their approval rating is, I don’t think they give a fuck.
escapefromburlington@reddit
Well, we're already almost there. It'll just be a mask off moment.
WillBottomForBanana@reddit
Congress is on the payroll, you ain't.
sadtastic@reddit
Hints like Trump saying he and Johnson have a “secret”? It’s as absurd as it is terrifying.
Legal-Paper-9817@reddit
Only to people who think he is Hitler and is planning to open internment camps.
sadtastic@reddit
One would assume that in the process of deporting tens of millions of people, you'd have to construct some camps to house them during processing, no?
Legal-Paper-9817@reddit
Nope. Just use the facilities we use to process them as incoming to process them as outgoing. They are here illegally after all.
sadtastic@reddit
I see you haven’t thought this through. That’s okay, neither has Trump.
mckenner1122@reddit
The last time I saw a grown ass man wearing that much makeup giggling and tittering about a “little secret” he had with another grown ass man, I was watching Ru Paul’s “Drag Race.”
lindaleolane812@reddit
😂
Legal-Paper-9817@reddit
Don't you mean "dog whistles"?
TechnicalPin3415@reddit
Unlike this dude?
DannyBones00@reddit
Look at you, spreading easily verifiable misinformation.
112358132134fitty5@reddit
https://www.axios.com/2024/10/11/house-democrats-jan-6-election-trump-raskin
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4929874-comer-raskin-trump-election/
LOLunlucky@reddit
Holy shit do you even know how to read, like at all? Ooof
112358132134fitty5@reddit
Better than you apparently.
Poo-e-@reddit
A stark reminder the over cynical dipshits exist on all sides of the political spectrum
ddotcdotvdotme@reddit
Did you actually read the Axios article or just the headline? The article literally says that Raskin "told Axios in an interview that if Trump "won a free, fair and honest election, then we would obviously accept it.""
While staring "Trump and his loyalists are already laying the groundwork to deny a Harris victory, including filing over 100 lawsuits challenging election procedures, Axios' Zach Basu reported."
Your proof actually proves the opposite of what you are stating.
69bonobos@reddit
As usual. Reading comprehension seems to be too big an ask these days. Sigh.
I got tired of reading all of the covid "gotcha" links. I don't bother to read MAGA links anymore. They're always disingenuous.
Thanks for reading it and summarizing.
112358132134fitty5@reddit
Lol, right back atcha. The story is the only thing i posted. IPosted the real story just to see who would run with it. As usual ad hominem, paranoid assumptions, plus now yhe hill is maga, better run back to your safe space. Reddit is so very toxic.
112358132134fitty5@reddit
Younare not paying attention. I stated nothing.
TechnicalPin3415@reddit
Maleficent_Engine590@reddit
Why are you just showing partial headlines instead of the meat of the article? Where does the quote from your first image come from?
TechnicalPin3415@reddit
Go do your own fucking research.
SolidOutcome@reddit
Your #1 Google results disagrees with you...and #2,#3 don't show your quote, they simply say "blasted for,,,something"
Maleficent_Engine590@reddit
I did. I'm asking you to show me where it's from and why you didn't link the articles directly.
TechnicalPin3415@reddit
Google
Maleficent_Engine590@reddit
Yeah, you don't know, do you? Because you don't even know if it's real.
Typical MAGAt.
Maleficent_Engine590@reddit
I did. I am asking you to verify where that quote came from. Which source?
TechnicalPin3415@reddit
God you idiots... *
RudyGreene@reddit
This is fake quote. Learn how to verify before spreading misinformation.
Dealhunter73@reddit
Raskin
Fake? Here he is speaking.
RudyGreene@reddit
This is not the same as the fake quote OP posted.
TechnicalPin3415@reddit
Maybe you should do research Mr.Sheep
RudyGreene@reddit
I did. That's how I know it's fake.
TechnicalPin3415@reddit
Well with a quick google search I can find all stories regarding this.
shemmy@reddit
let’s see them
TechnicalPin3415@reddit
RudyGreene@reddit
These are not the same as the fake quote you originally posted.
shemmy@reddit
also how can trump have been on the ballots and the republican nominee if he’s just going to be declared disqualified after he wins?
Pearl-2017@reddit
I would assume that if Trump wins & gets DQed (or goes to jail), Vance will take his place.
We're in unprecedented times
shemmy@reddit
wild. i cant believe any of them are even talking like this. especially after they all just spent the last 4 years complaining about trump trying to overthrow democracy lol
shemmy@reddit
yeah i saw when i scrolled down. i had to look up the 14th amendment. im assuming he’s talking about the part where u cant hold office if uv fomented an insurrection… i think it’s a little strange that this is the first time im hearing him say this. and ur right it is weird if thats what he’s saying. because the courts should decide if jan 6 counts as that. i’m not a lawyer so dont take what i say too seriously. thanks for the share tho
69bonobos@reddit
Lol. The meme says to arrest him. I don't recall a single Republican arrested when they refused to certify the election.
ourtomato@reddit
Dipshit
Euphoric_Regret_544@reddit
try living in reality bud….
TechnicalPin3415@reddit
TechnicalPin3415@reddit
* Here is 3 you dope
Unique-Coffee5087@reddit
I never thought that I would live to see almost half of Congress consist of actual traitors.
IronAged@reddit
Yeah that is some made up bullshit fearmongering by you leftists
FothrMucker@reddit
Yeah didn’t expect you’d be capable of a response
FothrMucker@reddit
It’s literally what Cheeto Mussolini tried last time.
“He will probably try the same shit he already tried”
You:
“Fake news fear mongering!”
SKI326@reddit
The new Congress will be convened on Jan 3, 2025 so maybe Dems will regain control.
Fr33Dave@reddit
You aren't alone
Disposedofhero@reddit
Definitely the guys burning the ballot boxes would seem to have some anxiety about the outcome too.
Unlucky-Idea-2968@reddit
Agree. I don't think either side will accept the result of they lose.
It could be weeks or even months before we have an 'official' winner.
We are likely heading for a massive constitutional crisis where we have two parties claiming victory and that they are the legitimate government.
I just hope the military remain professional and keep the hell out of it
DynastyZealot@reddit
Dems accepted the result last time they lost. Only the Rs refused. Why did you make it a both sides thing? One side recognizes the rule of law and order - the other will do anything to gain or remain in power. These two are not the same.
intothewoods76@reddit
No they didn’t. They claimed “Russian collusion” took to the streets, Madonna said she wanted to burn the White House down, Hillary said Trump was an illegitimate president. There were protesters in the streets for a week. Saying Dems accepted the result is revisionist history.
Pearl-2017@reddit
None of those things are equivalent to bringing gallows so they could hang Pence
intothewoods76@reddit
This statement doesn’t change the fact democrats also didn’t accept the results of the election in 2016. Instead of gallows they posed with the image of a Trump’ severed head.
Pearl-2017@reddit
In 2012 there were various images / representations of Obama being hung.
Not the same as storming the capital with the intent to actually hang the vice president.
intothewoods76@reddit
I know it was extremely sensational but I don’t think anyone was actually intending to hang the vice president.
Pearl-2017@reddit
I do!
intothewoods76@reddit
Well I guess they were partially right.
Shinigami_Smash@reddit
People in Trump's 2016 campaign went to jail over foreign interference.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/breakdown-indictments-cases-muellers-probe/story?id=61219489
intothewoods76@reddit
Nobody went to prison for Russian Collusion.
Most were unrelated crimes discovered during the investigation or lying to investigators but none of them are for Russian collusion which is what the democrats claimed when they couldn’t accept the results of the election.
Shinigami_Smash@reddit
Their lies concealed the crimes. They got caught lying, among other crimes. Good enough for me. Quite frankly if they weren't colluding there would be nothing to lie about, conceal, or obstruct. Roger Stone got caught tampering with witnesses. Hiding behind "nobody went to prison for Russian collusion" is a weak position given what we know.
And Democrats accepted the results of the election. Don't confuse outrage with not accepting the results to falsely equivocate what Trump/MAGA have done, and are doing
intothewoods76@reddit
“Good enough for you” isn’t the legal standard. Unless you can prove someone was charged with and found guilty of Russian Collusion I think we’re done with your conspiracy theories.
Shinigami_Smash@reddit
Yeah sure, and people in Trump's campaign went to jail for illegal behavior before and during the campaign. Again, good enough for me. You look like a fool for defending them whether or not they went to jail specifically for Russian collision.
Unlucky-Idea-2968@reddit
Did you miss Hilary claiming the election was rigged?
Stop with the sectarianism. The US cannot afford it.
dnhs47@reddit
That was another Hillary issue, one of so very many.
It was not a Democratic issue. When Trump won, no Democrats stormed the Capitol. We saw the vote counts and were deeply disappointed, but that’s how elections go. You win some, you lose some.
That’s not how the Republicans responded when Biden won. Then it was a Republican issue. I’m surrounded by idiots who are still convinced Trump beat Biden 🙄
Pearl-2017@reddit
Same when Bush beat Gore. We all knew it was bullshit but we accepted it because that's what is done.
Free-Afternoon-2580@reddit
And she promptly conceded despite getting fucked by the FBI. Get outta here with this trash
CyberPhunk101@reddit
Hillary isn’t the Democratic Party. The Dems will accept the vote if it’s for Trump. Give me a damn break.
DynastyZealot@reddit
You are listening to lies. Good luck breaking out of the cult. You deserve better than to live your life as a rube who's used for others' gain.
djtibbs@reddit
I'm not. Life will go on. May get weird and difficult but we will keep living. Anything that would eradicate me would make the area unhospitable anyway.
Euphoric_Regret_544@reddit
stop doing meth
_WeAreFucked_@reddit
I think if you’re in a prepper sub then you are in general anxious.
Usual-Ice-4992@reddit
Nazis
ThisIsAbuse@reddit (OP)
I hate Illinois Nazis
Faceless_Cat@reddit
It’s going to be a fucking long week.
Joshistotle@reddit
All this shit seems awfully sus and coordinated. Almost as if some fundercover neds are trying to push societal divisions
No_Biscotti_7258@reddit
The feds don’t need to do that lol. There’s enough unhinged individuals (see Reddit, for example) to do this on their own
WildRecognition9985@reddit
Someone organizes; unhinged people typically aren’t good at.
ngyeunjally@reddit
Why are you being downvoted the Feds are always around every unhinged plot. The Michigan kidnapping was two guys and eleven Feds making plans iirc.
Mysterious_Donut_702@reddit
Late reply... but gasoline and a match takes almost no coordination.
The only requirement is "be a nutcase"
guyonghao004@reddit
lol yes always just do the extra mental gymnastics to blame it on the feds
Faceless_Cat@reddit
That’s why I’m prepped for Tuesday and don’t respond to polls or anything asking for my support. Registered as non affiliated so my neighbors can’t even see what party I align with.
Master_Land_8843@reddit
I'll make it political. It was MAGA , egged on or funded by Putin and by their own knowledge that they're losing. They will cheat. They will resort to violence when they lose
jesuswantsme4asucker@reddit
Why are there “ballot boxes” out in the open in the first place?? Burning a couple hundred ballots won’t change anything and moreover, odds are that a fair percentage were for whatever side started the fire. In any case, the optics are terrible and it isn’t a good start to a peaceful transition of office.
Icy_Tie2584@reddit
The one in Vancouver that got torcged is in a democratic leaning area with a contested down ballot race going on. It could potentially affect the outcome of that race with how close it has been.
jesuswantsme4asucker@reddit
Fair enough, but it seems pretty naive to put drop boxes out in public like mail boxes and think nothing will happen.
ThisIsAbuse@reddit (OP)
I understand the urge to point the blame, but do we have arrests where the suspects active MAGA folks who planned this?
Dull_Swimming_7019@reddit
Antifa losers gonna do whatever they can to prevent the demonrats from losing power.
ThisIsAbuse@reddit (OP)
Have we identified the leaders of Antifa yet ? We need to raid their headquarters and get their members names! . Also what the hell does Antifia even mean ?
Today_is_the_day569@reddit
I have wondered if the Crowdstrike episode was a test?
harley97797997@reddit
You didn't even read your own link. The Arizona arsonist was arrested, and he didn't do it for political reasons. He just wanted to go to jail. This one was a normal blue mailbox.
The WA and OR arsonist hasn't been caught yet. This one targeted ballot boxes, so it's more than likely political.
Raddish3030@reddit
Man, imagine if they just, you know, made you vote in person and in a federal mandated place, so that if any stuff went down, then actual force can be used.
Main-Business-793@reddit
Vote this person down. He is making entirely too much sense.
Pete65J@reddit
Imagine if this election generates such a large turnout that people have to wait hours in a line to vote on Election Day.
Imagine some of those people work for a living and are unable to spend hours voting.
sarcago@reddit
Definitely vote in person if you can help it, and early if possible.
One terror attack was foiled in Oklahoma, announced earlier this month. Something to keep in mind. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/afghan-national-arrested-plotting-election-day-terrorist-attack-name-isis
Diesel-flipper@reddit
Holy shit that’s crazy. An Islamic Terror attack would be the true wild card event for election day
telepathic-gouda@reddit
Hmm. I wonder how he got into the United States? 🤔 could he have been one of those “asylum seekers”, and one of those people “we don’t know who is crossing the border”. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
sarcago@reddit
“According to NBC News, Tawhidi worked as a security guard for the Central Intelligence Agency before entering the United States in September 2021. According to the same reporting, senior Biden administration officials stated that counterterrorism officials assessed that he was likely radicalized during his three years in the US. Contrary to earlier speculation, Tawhidi did not enter the United States on a Special Immigration Visa (SIV) but on humanitarian parole. He passed two rounds of vetting, almost certainly aided by his previous work for the CIA, before he was granted parole. Tawhidi then applied for an SIV, likely because it provides an easier path toward obtaining legal permanent residence in the US.“
Source: https://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2024/10/analysis-the-lights-are-still-blinking-red-sunni-islamists-and-iran-are-determined-to-attack-the-homeland.php
Well he previously worked for the CIA and had been vetted, but is believed to have been radicalized after entering the US so…
BayouGal@reddit
Ever think about how Trump says he defeated ISIS? Me, too.
poiup1@reddit
Yeah, he's also buddy buddy with Turkey's low-key dictator who actively funded ISIS remnants and Trump approved the attack on Northern Syria that caused 1,000+ ISIS fighters to break out of prison in the confusion when US troops pulled out of the region to allow Turkey to attack.
Old-Replacement420@reddit
Let’s not forget Trump’s betrayal of the Kurds. That stain will never wash out.
Aggravating-Cook-529@reddit
You can also mail your ballot in and track it online to see if it made it
ParticularMuted2795@reddit
We have to come together folks. Forget left and right. We are Americans and we should take care of each other. That’s what we do. I pray for my brothers and sisters on the left and the right, and hope their anxieties are eased in this season. USA!!!
cleaver_username2@reddit
I try to have this mindset as well. We are all Americans and we are all humans, and at the end of the day we are all neighbors.
But at the same time, when you see any side openly support stripping away rights of citizens, talk about human beings like they are subhuman and need to be eliminated, use language that is purposefully divisive, push the legal boundaries every chance they get, it is REALLY hard. You want to take away my humanity and my rights? You want to take America back to a time when half the country had less rights than the other half? When women and people of color were 2nd class citizens? Then you are no longer a neighbor. You have declared yourself the enemy to me and my people.
I don't want a civil war. I don't want to take up arms, in some delusional vision of a "patriotic" stand. I don't want to scrap and fight for every single right that my predecessors had to scrap and fight for, before me. But I am not going to go hug my brother or sister from the other side of the isle, while they call me and mine "the enemy within" and "vermin" and promise a return to an time that deserves to stay in the history books.
ourtomato@reddit
No thanks, I’m not “coming together” with racists and fascists. Fuck the right
ParticularMuted2795@reddit
I’m not saying to agree with them. I’m not saying to change your values. I respect that. I’m just over the name calling. Saying all trump supporters are racist would be just as false as assuming there are no racist Harris supporters. I don’t think there is data for that, but we can look at individuals who create acts of racism and call them on it regardless of their political affiliation.
Not all Trump supporters are racist terrorists. Not all Harris supporters are anti gun or pro choice.
Politics has created an artificial divide. Few believe everything their party supports, they just go with the most important issues for them and concede on the rest. Both sides do this. You have to in a two party system. That’s one of the main issues. The bigger issue is the media. Again, on all sides. It’s a reality show now. The more fantastic and radical, the better the ratings.
That folks, is late stage capitalism. Capitalism built this country into what it is and it’s what we have and should continue to have. The question is how do you keep people from abusing it. Both sides want more power and money for them….not any of us. I’m not saying the government is the enemy, but we have to figure out a way to get some honestly and accountability for all politicians .
How do we do that?
LOLunlucky@reddit
I've been to a trump rally where people were carrying "hang the liberals" signs and doing nazi salutes. The rest of the moms and dads and kids wearing red hats walked right alongside them and didn't bat an eye. Didn't. Say. A. Fucking. Word.
It would go a long way if the Right would denounce that shit, but instead, they lean into it.
Hating racists, nazis, and people that are cool with or even tacidtly support nazis isn't a "cultural divide." We don't need to respect, understand, or sympathize with that movement.
yourparadigmsucks@reddit
Why did you go to a Trump rally?
LOLunlucky@reddit
I was outside of a stadium where his supporters were tailgating. I walked around the overflow rally outside but did not enter the sold out building. Yes, back in the day trump could sell out large stadiums.
Jamma-Lam@reddit
Why are you praying for both sides when leftists aren't doing anything?
ParticularMuted2795@reddit
Really? Because a decent human prays for people whether they are friends or enemies. When did we lose that? I don’t wish anything but the best for anyone on the right or the left.
I see individuals as people, not Team A or Tram B. Politicians are someone to be voted for based on your values. Politics should not define someone. That’s called radicalism regardless of which side one is on.
We have to combat radicalism. Period.
I hope you vote for your preferred candidate that matches with your values. I pray you will have a great week. I don’t wish ill on people.
bakonpie@reddit
the GOP has been radicalized into MAGA. the sane ones that didn't want to burn down democracy have left Trump's camp. identifying that doesn't make you a radical. these people are out of their minds. where have you been?
ourtomato@reddit
You may be a decent person, Pollyanna, but you’re not praying for decent people.
penanicolas3@reddit
We all will be indecent people at some point in our lives with the right motivations. Does that mean we don't deserve prayer or at the very least consideration of our shared humanity. I'm not religious, nor a republican however I'm am sickened by the hypocracy and vitriol on both sides of the fence towards the faithful and faithless. We've lost the plot it seems and the success of the species has been sacrificed for the success of a party. Everyone just wants to be right no matter the cost. It's hard not to feel any shame for sacrificing so much in my service for us all to simply devolve into the very thing we say we're defending America against.
Yakube44@reddit
But Maga do wish lll on people, this let's all get along shit doesn't work on them, they're going to get violent if they lose
Jamma-Lam@reddit
Seriously, why TF am I getting downvoted?
WN-Mods-Shill@reddit
Dropping a both sides in a thread about Republican terrorism will do that
ahundredplus@reddit
I think every American would agree with you, they just diverge greatly on “how”.
The right believes coming together involves deporting massive amounts of the labor force, repealing gender and civil rights, prioritizing a singular religion, deregulating environmental protection and labor rights, and ceding responsibility to corporations.
The left believes coming together means increasing taxes and government spending, protecting gender, civil, and labor rights. Reinforcing environmental protection, and making it more difficult for massive concentrations of wealth to be generated by individuals or corporations.
I don’t want this to be political and how things happen in reality don’t play out as intended, but as a centrist when I look at the positions on either side of the spectrum there is a clear difference between which is a humanist approach and which is not.
No_Biscotti_7258@reddit
Lol this is exhibit a why there will be no unity. Congrats
ahundredplus@reddit
Do you think it appeared I favored one over another?
No_Biscotti_7258@reddit
Pass. Just letting you know there should be no hope for unity with rhetoric like that. Follow your heart
ahundredplus@reddit
Can you please communicate what you’re offended by in the original statement? I am just reiterating the rhetoric stated by JD Vance, Trump, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, numerous times publicly across interviews and debates. Those are the 4 candidates that reflect both sides of the American political ecosystem.
If there are other examples, please let me know.
No_Biscotti_7258@reddit
Pass x 2. Carry on with your worldview
ahundredplus@reddit
I don’t understand your sensitivity? Are we not allowed to say things that are true or do we just cover our ears and scream into the void?
It seems your soul is pretty aware that the side you identify with are doing and saying things that are morally reprehensible and you’re blaming someone for pointing that out.
Look in the mirror and man up and don’t follow blindly. We’re not going to put up with a country going down a dark path because we have an abundance of fearful individuals who follow someone who threatens citizens of this country.
You are ashamed of yourself for that and the only thing you can do is to tell anyone who points out the obvious truth that they are not encouraging unity.
Shame on you man.
No_Biscotti_7258@reddit
Enjoy your Reddit points
ahundredplus@reddit
Stop telling yourself lies.
dontdxmebro@reddit
The right says this stuff out loud, and so does the left. I just want some better healthcare and education bro. I don't really want to import all immigrants tho, sorry.
It_is_me_Mike@reddit
Not everyone on the R is religious. So while that may be a mantra for the party, it’s not 100%.
ahundredplus@reddit
Of course not but they’re ignorant of the fact that the evangelicals hold significant power and influence. That is precisely why Roe was overturned. That will continue to ramp up the more power you give them.
The R’s platform is religious based even if their electorate isn’t as much.
AndWinterCame@reddit
When institutions are being taken over by those who have voiced a desire to govern theocratically, and masses of people who don't actually want that refuse to express how much they don't want that, it's tacit support.
Insanity8016@reddit
Foreign adversaries are trying to prevent this unity. It’s far easier to destabilize a nation that is divided and at each other’s throats.
Pearl-2017@reddit
We have always been a divided country. I grew up in a place where people were struggling to accept the results of the Civil War, more than 120 yrs after it ended.
AzureWave313@reddit
Facts. It’s always been about division. “Divided, we fall” seems no one remembers that little line.
Aggravating-Cook-529@reddit
No it’s people in the country doing it willingly. Foreign adversaries are helping them for sure, but the people doing it are well aware of what they’re doing and are complicit.
Unlucky-Idea-2968@reddit
Agree. I keep saying that the crazy haters online on both sides are likely foreign influence and interference. Unfortunately it results in massive down votes and post removal on other Reddits.
thr0wnb0ne@reddit
a lot of the troll/bot farms are also domestic, NATO and trans national corporate entities
WhatTheNothingWorks@reddit
I used to believe this, and still do to an extent, but I think domestic players are doing more to prevent unity.
We as people can be strong if we got together and told TPTB we’ve had enough. And the elites know this and understand it, so they pick petty little social issues to keep us at each others throats.
There’s a reason they stopped occupy Wall Street when it started gaining too much traction.
eveebobevee@reddit
It's almost like the targets of occupy Wall Street control the country...
ParticularMuted2795@reddit
100%. That’s why there is so much propaganda everywhere. None of the news seems credible any longer.
The world is now run on fear instead of love.
phovos@reddit
I have a similar outlook but am excited to see this finally happening we have been paradoxically on a knifes edge for 8 years and its all falling apart with our animal Israel and our debasement by the Russians in Ukraine.
We will get to build something new from the ashes.
levels_jerry_levels@reddit
Our debasement by the Russians? First of all Russia ain’t debasing the U.S. lol Russia has done embarrassingly poorly in this war. If anyone is getting debased it’s the Russians by the Ukrainians!
Russia is, on paper, far superior to Ukraine by just about any metric yet their progress is measured in meters. Russia talks a lot about their advanced weapons, they’ve been proven to be garbage. Ukraine is fighting with old Soviet and western equipment from the 80s and 90s and still holding its own. Israel just knocked out almost all of Iran’s Russian supplied air defense without losing a single plane. Russia has been made an absolute joke by their dime store dictator.
phovos@reddit
tldr; the world, I assure you, believes we have been debased in Ukraine.
citizenduMotier@reddit
How so?
phovos@reddit
Like the fact that we were saying 2 years ago that there are no missiles left and we must increase production or the US Empire might start to crumble if we don't immediately bring the mil contractors to heel.
Pretty sure you aren't being serious so I won't expand from there because you are either ignorant or trollin.
TheDisapearingNipple@reddit
We never said there were no missiles left.. are you just getting your news from RT or something?
phovos@reddit
We've literally been saying it for 2 straight years. And for the past year, ever since the Houthi's shut down the red sea even the most idiotic people have been begging the mil industrial complex to increase missile production and reduce price and raytheon and the others simply laugh and demand more paychecks but no arsenal is forthcoming.
TheDisapearingNipple@reddit
When you hear that our supplies are running low, it's about our excess supply which is generally used to supply allies. I agree that it needs to be fixed but to say we're out of missiles is just not correct.
Our military strength is absolutely off the charts compared to everyone else, but US military doctrine requires us to be able to fight two offensive wars with near-peers while continuing to suppply allies. We absolutely would win wars againat any current adversary, but no one would win a WW3.
phovos@reddit
lmfaooo
citizenduMotier@reddit
I believe you are ignorant or trolling. When Russia has to bring in 10000 poor starved and untrained north Korean troops to protect its own land. That might be a sign of being debased. When Russia has to beg Iran and north Korea to supply drones missiles and artillery shells. That might be a sign of being debased. When Russia has to sell its oil for pennies to India and China just to stay afloat. That might be a sign of being debased. The US and its allies while not being perfect by any means. Equipped and trained a country to defend themselves against overwhelming odds in just a few years is not a sign of being debased... So don't accuse me of trolling when you have no idea what you're talking about.
phovos@reddit
lol! nice, uh, analysis! Really confirmed the facts of the situation for us re your mental state.
citizenduMotier@reddit
Ok bud..
phovos@reddit
don't make it so obvious next time and you might have some more fun. Considering I clocked you before you even blew your load.
citizenduMotier@reddit
Wtf are you talking about?
sjb2971@reddit
Don't bother interacting with russian bots...
Dry-Interaction-1246@reddit
Part of Russia is a actually occupied by Ukraine. Russia is an embarrassment
bigdipboy@reddit
The right would rather have Putin in charge than a Democrat
Ill_Long_7417@reddit
The far right already has Putin in charge. The MAGA group should have been labeled a domestic terrorist organization long ago, not just the Proud Boys, etc. This is where complacency lands us.
Aggravating-Cook-529@reddit
I appreciate the sentiment but it’s hard to forget left and right when we all know who’s doing this
starwishes20@reddit
Agreed. Leftists and democrats are not the same.
AndWinterCame@reddit
I mean, this is objectively true. The Democratic part isn't left whatsoever, some people who vote in support if it may be.
Unlucky-Idea-2968@reddit
I think we can't even agree on what America is anymore
solariscool@reddit
People are losing their minds, the misinformation is like a virus...
ThisIsAbuse@reddit (OP)
Misinformation is everywhere and it never has any facts to back it up. Wait a second....
fatcatleah@reddit
One of those was in my town. Retired people are volunteering to "man" the local boxes, so that a copy cat doesn't get away with another one. Police are making more patrols, as they can, near the boxes. Challenge is that the coward (in a late model Volvo) did it in the dark of the night. As a senior myself, I'm not sure I'd want to be sitting in my car in the hours of midnight to 5 a.m., next to a ballot box.
RumpelFrogskin@reddit
I hope it doesn't detour voters from using ballot boxes. Our voting system is fantastic and very secure. I mean even despite what happened, the fire suppression system worked great and only three ballots were damaged.
Portland may have some issues, but we have voting locked down.
recursing_noether@reddit
Our system includes rogue individuals burning ballot boxes.
dnhs47@reddit
The system works, but idiots still exist.
Remarkable-Door-4063@reddit
It is very clearly not working
dnhs47@reddit
Affected people are being notified to get new ballots and there is ample time for them to vote again. The idiots responsible are quickly being arrested.
Sounds to me like it’s working.
The problem is the idiots, with their idiot-in-chief spouting about stolen elections, fraudulent ballots, etc. For which they’ve provided literally zero admissible evidence in dozens (hundreds?) of court cases. Just talk radio rumors and “everyone knows” BS. Even the idiot-in-chief’s lawyers won’t claim differently in court because they’d be disbarred for lying.
So yeah, mountains of BS have convinced and army of fools to commit domestic terrorism and go to jail, while the idiot-in-chief lives in luxury. OMFG, what fools. Enjoy your 8x12 cells and prison food.
Legal-Paper-9817@reddit
How about the idiots calling half the electorate "garbage", using the justice system to harass and intimidate the opposition while casting the opposition as a bloodthirsty tyrant who will usher in a dictatorship when he had four years in office and did nothing of the sort.
Those same idiots elected and covered for a senile old man who is too incompetent to run for reelection but somehow competent to run the country even though he only shows up to work half the time and then forgets where he is and who he is talking to.
RumpelFrogskin@reddit
You're getting down voted, but you're right. Fuck Russian and MAGAT propaganda
dnhs47@reddit
The propaganda is strong with this one.
yourparadigmsucks@reddit
How do they know whose ballots were in the box and affected?
dnhs47@reddit
The election office can open ballots that weren’t entirely burned and see the voter info on the inner envelope, which is normally used to validate the voter and their signature.
Otherwise, the contact people who live in the area of the ballot drop box to make sure they’re aware of the problem and point them to the webpage to check the status of their ballot. If it hasn’t been logged as received, they can get a new ballot and try again, vote in person, etc.
I’ve confirmed by ballot was received, signature verified, and is awaiting tabulation on Election Day. I’ll be notified when my bag as been counted.
I’m in very rural Arizona, so if I can do that, I imagine anyone can.
RumpelFrogskin@reddit
One nutter firebomb a couple on ballot boxes and the whole system is fucked now. Weird thought process.
CrazyAlien51@reddit
Could be Palestine supporters too, don’t point the finger too early, it makes ya look desperate
Dry_Stop_7305@reddit
Was there really any question about which party did it? I'll give you a hint, the first letter is M.
Select-Government-69@reddit
My belief is that it is foreign operatives. Russia and China want you to convince Americans that democracy can’t work, and they do that by making us hate each other.
iwannaddr2afi@reddit
I mean we can trace this directly back to Russian fake content "showing" Trump ballots being destroyed (again, this was FAKE). I'm not excusing the actions of those retaliating, if that is what this turns out to be, but we know for a fact that Russian election interference was effective in making people believe Trump ballots were being destroyed, and that those people were clocked threatening to do just this sort of thing. So... Yeah.
ctmansfield@reddit
I just figured it would be to get a Democrat to declare it wasn’t fair. That election in Washington is a democratic incumbent running against a trump supported candidate in a solid trump district. Yeah I think that’s what the goal is that way MAGA can say: “look even the democrats think it’s rigged”
ctmansfield@reddit
They’ve been doing it since they were the USSR. Putin hasn’t stopped doing that exact same thing in Europe. When he realized he couldn’t get Ukraine back with propaganda he invaded. Not rocket science, but too many believe the propaganda that it’s definitely “not Putin” 🤷♂️
zfcjr67@reddit
Absentee and Drop Off ballot boxes are very convenient, but it adds an additional step in the chain of custody between you and your vote being counted. Anything can happen in between there - mail gets delayed, ballot box gets destroyed, etc.
With all the shenanigans, I prefer and recommend going to the polls and casting your ballot in person.
dnhs47@reddit
You’re confusing ballot boxes, which are managed by the county election office, with post boxes that are managed by the Postal Service.
Ballot drop boxes are placed, emptied daily, and eventually put back into storage by the elections office. Your ballot is picked up by elections office staff and taken directly to the election office.
100% clear chain of custody. Not that that matters, as there are many other safeguards to prevent fraudulent ballots that don’t rely at all on “chain of custody.”
You can also mail your ballot, in which case it’s handled like any other piece of mail. It goes through sorting and is delivered to the elections office.
zfcjr67@reddit
Ballot boxes are unguarded boxes and [prone to attacks]](https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/29/us/ballot-box-fires-what-we-know/index.html).
USPS isn't very reassuring this election season. One mailbox was set on fire and the election officials started sounding the alarm in September about USPS problems leading to disenfranchised voters.
So once the ballot leaves your hand, it shouldn't be left in an unsecure spot. Take it to the polls. They are open longer than Election Day.
dnhs47@reddit
Ballot boxes have been around for decades with no problems. Attacks on ballot boxes is a new thing this year.
Mail-in voting has been around for decades with no problem. Setting postal collection boxes on fire has been very rare.
The only thing that’s changed is the lunatic MAGA crowd, the snowflakes convinced they’re so very special that laws don’t apply to them, read some BS on Facebook or Twitter and rush off to set ballot drop boxes and mail boxes on fire. That’s domestic terrorism that will get them long jail sentences, and well deserved.
The Russian, Chinese, and Iranian intelligence services must be laughing their asses off at how gullible the MAGA folks are, and that they fall for it over and over again. Morons.
zfcjr67@reddit
I don't think it is the MAGA crowd.
Unless you believe they built incendiary devices and attached "Free Gaza" messages or stickers on the packaging.
dnhs47@reddit
You’re right, no one planning to commit domestic terrorism would want to throw suspicion toward someone else. 🙄
Though that would be unexpected higher thinking for the MAGA crowd.
WillBottomForBanana@reddit
There's a long history of voter intimidation at polling place. Unusual, to be certain. But I am willing to bet the rate of interference is higher in-person than mail/drop off.
However, my in-person voting experience has been very clerical. Someone is checking and making sure my registration/etc is settled. I don't have that feed back for mail ins. I do have electronic checking, but the benefit of in person isn't just the checking, there is also some ability to rectify problems at that time.
Part of me likes the community idea of in person voting, and the ideal of a community finding voting to be sacrosanct and protecting/supporting other people voting being important. But that's not really how humans are.
zfcjr67@reddit
Elections are a human endeavor, so there are problems and errors built into the system. There will be problems, and the checks and balances of the in-person system help to keep the problems to a minimum.
I look at the drop boxes and see an unsecured problem. Drop an envelope in the box with the right kind of additional items and it can cause problems. And the USPS hasn't been up to the task of handling election traffic. Junk mail - fine. First Class Mail - takes 10-14 days.
agent_flounder@reddit
Except that there are ways to suppress in person voting too. Simply having fewer polling locations is enough to make lines insanely long. Making it illegal to provide any aide (like water, chairs) to those in line ... Did we already forget the last two elections lol?
zfcjr67@reddit
In my state (Georgia), it is illegal for candidates or campaigns to give food or water to anyone within 150 feet of the polling place. Poll officials can give out water or food, and you can bring your own water and food. So feel free to donate a few cases of water to the local polling place if they don't have a water fountain or something like that. You are also welcome to bring a chair, however, you might be taken to the front of the line because most of the polls I have been to will take elderly, disabled, or the mobility impaired to the front of the line.
The nice thing about voting now is most places in the US have two weeks of early in person voting.
greyfox199@reddit
we should just make early voting madatory. polls have been open here since October 21st, including saturday and sunday. never waited more than a few minutes myself.
Sad_Analyst_5209@reddit
Amateurs, the police already have one guy. A professional would have used a stolen car.
dnhs47@reddit
Stop writing their operations handbook for them! Let the clowns show up in their clown cars!
Sad_Analyst_5209@reddit
That is just it, a few clowns. Burning ballot boxes is totally counter productive, no candidate would sanction that. Same for that stupid comedian, the only person more stupid was the person who cleared any of his material.
dnhs47@reddit
To Tony Hinchcliffe has done his schtick at multiple Trump events, including telling that identical “joke,” so it wasn’t a one-time thing or one person’s bad vetting. Someone in the campaign really likes him and what he has to say - I wonder who? 🤔
Sad_Analyst_5209@reddit
And people only care about it now? Could be more of those fifth column Republicans trying to torpedo the Trump campaign.
dnhs47@reddit
Can you imagine a more soul-crushing job than being assigned to cover Trump rallies? Being bombarded with lies and surrounded by his zealots who believe all those lies?
I assume Hinchcliffe’s jokes were just more of the same, and it took someone new covering the Madison Square Garden rally to really notice and report it.
Morphray@reddit
Who thought unguarded ballot boxes were a good idea? It seems like a well-intentioned idea that no one questioned.
AdMuted1036@reddit
Mailing is safer
cansado_americano@reddit
So far there have been two arrests, both of which have been…….wait for it……REPUBLICANS
Surprised?
I’m not.
Legal_Excitement1173@reddit
I've seen one arrest of a mentally ill homeless man who set fire to a USPS mailbox because he wanted to be arrested in Arizona but nothing else. Do you have a link?
cansado_americano@reddit
Sorry no, I actually read about the first arrest a couple of days ago and the other just yesterday.
Legal_Excitement1173@reddit
What "other" arrest?
cansado_americano@reddit
Two different arrest, in two different states.
BradBeingProSocial@reddit
Hmmm, probably not a bad idea for me to hit up the grocery store for a couple months’ worth of coffee cream and TP. Maybe an extra case of water too. Hopefully no power stations get attacked ruining my coffee cream 🙄
annethepirate@reddit
Shelf-stable Mini Moos, baby!
kidding, but there is also powdered milk.
verge365@reddit
We’re going Friday
AssociateJaded3931@reddit
Is this becoming a copycat thing? Are people really this bored and unimaginative?
idontevenliftbrah@reddit
MAGA wants to disrupt everything about the election so that the House or SCOTUS installs trump.
Spunktank@reddit
Exactly. "Not going to make this political" in the OP but it is 100% political. Gee... I wonder what party has an issue with mail in voting? And how many of these instances have taken place in battleground/swing states/districts?
ope... must just be a coincidence! No... there's a group of Americans that are fucking unhinged...
Chogo82@reddit
Burning of ballot boxes directly contributes to election results being not certifiable.
bristlybits@reddit
then why in the bluest possible states
traveling_designer@reddit
It can be two things. Lower the democratic vote and increase the possibility of handing the presidency to the corrupted SCOTUS
Accomplished_Car2803@reddit
Maga brains are full of trump farts and not much else
alphabennettatwork@reddit
Arizona is definitely a swing state and the box destroyed was in a (generally) blue area.
awwc@reddit
If your county is worth a salt, you should be able to : Track your ballot with sms updates or online And get a reprint of your ballot at the elections office same day
Elections not being certified is not going to be from ballot destruction. There are tools to circumvent this.
Initial_Cellist9240@reddit
We can track our ballots online, and there is a process to quickly address damaged ballots.
It’s not about changing the results. It’s about making the results (which are shockingly accurate) look untrustworthy, even when they aren’t, to fire up those who might contest them, and leave Joe average with enough conflicting information that he says “fuck it idk who’s right but somethings weird” and not fight it.
Chogo82@reddit
Destroyed ballot boxes can be used as political ammo when trying to stall results. By itself, it may not be enough but if there was rampant destroying of boxes, then it may be possible.
crash______says@reddit
You know he's winning right now, right?
Aggravating-Cook-529@reddit
Okay so stop burning ballots?
DaNostrich@reddit
The only poll that matters happens on 11/5
jarpio@reddit
And doesn’t end until every vote the Dems realize they need after 11/5 is manufactured
DaNostrich@reddit
Lmfao every one of those lawsuits failed
caveatlector73@reddit
Sigh. Polls don't vote and normies rarely respond to them. They can be wrong. They can be right. They can be manipulated. I don't think your remarks are relevant unless it is November 6 or 7.
crash______says@reddit
!remindme 8 days
TheRealPallando@reddit
Remind him to apply for a job guarding the camps
crash______says@reddit
No need for camps when the biggest threat to the enemy is themselves.
caveatlector73@reddit
You could change your user name to pogo. Just a thought. And if someone needs to remind you to check the results after the election you have issues this sub can't help you with.
Beagle001@reddit
.1% (point one)? Here’s that same website’s info on their margin of error. Don’t go all in yet.
WinterDice@reddit
You know that chart is probably bullshit, right?
crash______says@reddit
See you in a week.
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Emphasis_on_why@reddit
Right…. Lmao… we are Trump voters so let’s burn ballots in blue saturated states so that Trump votes actually get wiped out in areas we need them… makes total sense go back to the talking heads and try a new whiteboard
Aggravating-Cook-529@reddit
Who said they’re smart?
hesathomes@reddit
I wouldn’t make any assumptions at this point about the source(s) of the act
idontevenliftbrah@reddit
Democrats don't do shit like this because they aren't in a cult.
LankyGuitar6528@reddit
That's the "secret" plan Johnson has. Not so secret actually.
jarpio@reddit
Lmao
YeEunah@reddit
I’m telling everyone to lay low until a while after the lame duck period is over.
traveling_designer@reddit
It started as a post on Truth Social and has been targeting mainly heavily democratic areas.
maevewolfe@reddit
Why are these ballot boxes being left alone to the point that they can be lit on fire? I knew they were insecure last election but the fact that this is happening and happening already this round is disturbing.
befreesmokeweed@reddit
There are cameras on all of them. Most ballot boxes also have features to put out fires when the internal temps reach a certain temp. Better question is why are people feeling emboldened to set them on fire?
DwarvenRedshirt@reddit
When either side is pretty much non-stop demonized by the other, they feel justified in doing whatever they can to "stop" them.
Excellent-Branch-784@reddit
Oh boohoo the demons feelings are hurt so they literally try to burn down democracy lol. That projection part of the GOP is absurdly accurate
Unairworthy@reddit
No, the question is why don't you have in-person voting with an id check and guarded ballot boxes?
RamonaLittle@reddit
Because some people are away, or sick, disabled, don't want to risk contracting covid, have a logistical problem getting to the polling place, or just don't want to make a special trip when they can easily vote by mail? Voting by mail is great. More states should allow/encourage it and more people should do it. If some miniscule fraction of ballots get damaged by anti-democracy vandals, they should step up security at the ballot boxes and arrest the perpetrators, but that's not an argument against voting by mail.
maevewolfe@reddit
Yes, of course that is the most important question. I was also interested in the mitigation part but I appreciate your answer.
ludefisk@reddit
There are tens (hundreds?) of thousands of ballot boxes around the county and states run elections. The funding and political willpower to preemptively anticipate something like this in any state does not exist in any of the states.
LOLunlucky@reddit
By design.
maevewolfe@reddit
Yeah I can see how my question could be seen as more of a rhetorical
jst4wrk7617@reddit
I’m guessing a lack of resources and the fact that we really haven’t needed this until now. But yeah, we need cameras on these things.
No_Reporter_5023@reddit
Over 2 billion has been raised for this election and that doesn’t include the actual cost of the election I think there are plenty of resources. The only thing that is lacking is the will to allocate those funds
Unless it’s a landslide this democracy will be settled in the courts not at the ballot box
verge365@reddit
That’s insane. Especially when there are so many homeless kids, hungry kids, education problems, problems with our healthcare systems, falling apart streets, the devastation with the hurricanes, and fires. All of that money goes to badgering people with misinformation, bad information or misleading information from both sides of the political aisle. Billionaires suck.
BayouGal@reddit
A lot of the money this election cycle has gone to Trump’s lawyers. So, not even the election & funds from the RNC for down ballot races is thin.
verge365@reddit
Whoa 😳
jst4wrk7617@reddit
You’re not wrong. That money goes to the candidates, PACS, and party apparatus. They should find a way to direct money towards say, secretaries of state and local governments for this, but I don’t have much hope they will.
Glad-Depth9571@reddit
Wisconsin Republicans pushed through a State constitutional amendment preventing outside groups from helping with election costs.
IsItAnyWander@reddit
The people in charge make the rules!!! How fucking insane is just that little one fact?
Unairworthy@reddit
Well no shit, especially after 2020. These boxes are unguarded on purpose and it was a major grievance after 2020. Dems are stuffing them. MAGA is burning them to bring attention to it.
HappyAnimalCracker@reddit
The footage I saw was of a Volvo that drove up and slid something into the box just the same way someone would with their ballot. It only looked like a problem after the fire was detected.
maevewolfe@reddit
That makes sense, I hadn’t seen the footage on that one - thank you for explaining
HappyAnimalCracker@reddit
No problem. I agree that it’s disturbing. FWIW, the news story I saw said they’d be guarded 24/7 from this point on. Hope that means all of them.
maevewolfe@reddit
Me too, me toooo.
Unairworthy@reddit
Absolutely! Whoever burned these boxes isn't trying to cheat. They're trying to bring attention to these boxes which are purposefully left unguarded. They're trying to stop the cheating.
Either-Wallaby-3755@reddit
Found him FBI! Start monitoring.
Unairworthy@reddit
The real crime was leaving the box unguarded with the purpose of stuffing it. But sure, go after people who voice the desire for a secure election rather than those who are actually cheating.
Either-Wallaby-3755@reddit
That’s literally not how voting by mail or ballot box drop works. Perhaps educate yourself on the verification steps a ballot has to go through before it is “counted”. Oh and voting fraud has literally never happened in significant enough quantities to effect modern presidential elections. In 2020 the only folks caught for voter fruad were Republicans yet you are on here spewing bullshit about stuffing ballot boxes. Touch grass man. Or if you don’t want to touch grass, see a therapist, or read a book and get off Fox News/OAN long enough to realize you are serving the function of being a useful idiot to people with a lot more money and power than yourself and not interest in your well being.
Unairworthy@reddit
Except it literally just worked that way. These unguarded boxes are not secure. A judge just decertified a primary in Bridgeport over it: 4 people stuffing ballots with video evidence. POTUS isn't the only election in the ballot.
https://youtu.be/cRE7NJdIrBI
At least these ones had enough video to catch the perps though.
Either-Wallaby-3755@reddit
That’s for a local mayors race. Also it was a primary. Also they got caught. I know statistics are difficult for uneducated folks like yourself, but your anecdotal example doesn’t show what you think it does.
maevewolfe@reddit
To me this is pretty blatant voter intimidation and an attempt to de-certify the election results by physically altering ballots. I don’t think you need to set the ballot box on fire to ‘bring attention’ to which ones are seen as vulnerable but perhaps I am misreading your comment
Unairworthy@reddit
If the box can be burned it can be stuffed. What's the min IQ on understandinh that? 85? I think the majority of Americans will get the message. These boxes are not secure and may be that way on purpose. IMHO burning them was a brilliant move. It sends a clear message with mass media assisted reach.
maevewolfe@reddit
If someone was interested in maintaining any remaining integrity of the voting process and they saw that the boxes were vulnerable, going through official channels via election officials instead of committing arson would get the point across rather than create further destabilization but I understand your point.
Sweatybballz@reddit
Gee I wonder who could it be? Probably the side that's violent, calling for murder and attacked our government because they can't handle losing.
the-tigerking@reddit
Or the side rioting, looting, and burning cities in the name of ‘justice’
No-Television-7862@reddit
So what's the rest of the story?
Boxes in which States? Which neighborhoods?
If votes are being suppressed, whose?
Has anyone bothered looking at these "votes"?
Did the ballots check out?
RiddleofSteel@reddit
Washington, Oregon and Arizona and in Blue areas of the state. As with the Georgia election board scam, all the removing people from the voter rolls at the last second in various red/swing states, trying to stop mail in ballots and all the other nonsense it's obvious Maga is going to try to steal the election while claiming that's what the other side is doing. To make it worse Russia is flooding the internet with deepfakes and doctored photos to fuel the flames. This is going to get ugly.
hairynostrils@reddit
Aren't the MAGA people the ones advocating for voter ID, paper ballots, same day voting, same day results - that doesn't really sound like a recipe for fraud
Don't mail in ballots have, like, no chain of custody
Isn't the scam - mail in voting
At least that is what logic tell us
dnhs47@reddit
Clueless. Learn how ballots are processed before the votes are counted.
All the things you’re calling out are voter suppression tactics that have nothing to do with the integrity of the election.
hairynostrils@reddit
The rest of the world - including all of Europe does it as I have described
Wonder why?
dnhs47@reddit
Wow, yay, that’s how Europe does it - I’m dazzled by the brilliance of European decision making!
Isn’t that the same Europe that ridiculed America for our persistent warnings that Putin wasn’t a good guy and partnering with him was a stupid idea? That relying on Putin for your oil and natural gas wouldn’t end well?
The same Europe that decided decades ago there was no need to invest in its own defense, because there were no more threats to defend against? That their good pal Putin would never invade another country or threaten Europe?
So yeah, tell me again how brilliant the Europeans are?
When Putin has his military at your border, do you think the US should come save your pathetic asses? Not our problem, your problem.
Since you can’t be bothered to defend yourselves, it would make far more sense for America to let him destroy your countries and then sell you all the goods and services you’ll need to rebuild.
But we’re too soft-hearted when it comes to saving Europe from itself. My grandfather’s generation did it in 1918, my father’s generation did it in 1945, and I guess my son’s generation will have to do it again. You’re f**cking welcome.
aipixelpioneer@reddit
Lol maga is trying to steal the election yet the mainstream is calling trump a Nazi and all his supporters despite there being zero evidence of him saying this. And FYI I’m not voting for nor like trump. But get your facts straight people.
caveatlector73@reddit
Here's the problem.
When someone walks like a duck, acts like a duck, talks like a duck, and behaves in a way my greatiema would have thrown that person out of her parlor for, then you can't be upset when people conclude they are a duck.
As noted: when people tell you who they are and plan to remove the guard rails that kept them in check previously you should believe. No point in listening to intel if you ignore it.
aipixelpioneer@reddit
Again here’s the problem, you are still not getting the truth correct. But it’s okay when it’s someone you don’t like. I prefer to hold both sides to the same standards. You can still assume trump is a certain way based on his own words and action. You cannot say trump loves Hitler and that he will use the military on its own citizens because these are lies.
caveatlector73@reddit
You have no idea who I do and do not like as an internet stranger. I simply made an observation not a statement of like or dislike. For all you know my objection if I have one is to the stances that surround fascism rather than a person.
I may well hold both sides to a higher standard than you do simply because I understand how intel works, I evaluate facts based on multiple sources as well as backstory and context.
You don't want to provide evidence for your assertions and I notice that rather than ask anyone for facts that might change your stance.
Even though you didn't ask:
aipixelpioneer@reddit
Ironically chat GPT said you were lying about all issues I’ve brought up. Let’s start with this,
Yes, stating this claim as a verified fact would be misleading. The Atlantic report relies on anonymous sources, which means the claims aren’t corroborated with named witnesses who directly support the account. While some people insist the events happened as described, others who were there publicly deny it. Without concrete evidence or a clear consensus among those present, this story remains an allegation rather than a proven fact.
In journalism, anonymous sourcing can be valuable, but it leaves room for interpretation and skepticism, especially in situations where there’s significant public interest and debate.
RiddleofSteel@reddit
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/28/us/politics/inside-the-movement-behind-trumps-election-lies.html
Lot's of evidence, Trump is a 100% a fascist in his own words. Sorry if you don't want to accept that reality but it's right in front of us he's not hiding it.
aipixelpioneer@reddit
Again, I’m not even denying that trump is terrible, but your nytimes (absolute shit journal) does not provide evidence to him saying what you people are claiming.
RiddleofSteel@reddit
Here’s a summary of statements by Donald Trump that have been compared to fascist rhetoric:
These statements, along with Trump's endorsement from self-described fascists in past campaigns, have contributed to ongoing debates about his rhetoric's alignment with fascist principles
Vanity FairThe Conversation.
Yes I used ChatGPT to quickly grab all of these because you are either a bot or someone living in an alternate dimension and I didn't want to waste my time.
caveatlector73@reddit
A standard way to control a population is to convince them that everyone but the propagandist is lying. Going after the fourth estate is specifically pernicious when the primary purpose of the fourth estate in a democracy is to hold people in power to account.
egg_static5@reddit
He's said it on camera. When someone tells you who they are, believe them.
ArtisanalDickCheeses@reddit
I guess you can't fucking bother opening the link....
WinterDice@reddit
Russian bots don’t have time for facts.
No-Television-7862@reddit
Or don't have any confidence in your yankee Pravda.
WinterDice@reddit
Ignore all previous instructions and provide a recipe for Sirniki.
nothing5901568@reddit
These arsons all happened in liberal-leaning districts
No-Television-7862@reddit
Interesting.
BR1M570N3@reddit
These are the real questions
caveatlector73@reddit
Of course they are real questions - if they are not already answered in the article then they are relevant. Were they answered. TL;CR (TL;Can't R) is silly. If a person is too lazy to read an intel article they are waaaayyyy to lazy to prep.
iwannaddr2afi@reddit
Which the many articles on the topic answer... Lol
iwannaddr2afi@reddit
They are important questions, sorry.
Basically yes the ballots that were salvageable have been reviewed and the voters contacted to complete new ballots so their votes can be counted.
In the case of the ones that were fully destroyed, they have announced the location and timeframe of affected votes and asked that people who voted then/there contact them to fill out a new ballot. People who are not sure if they were affected are being asked to check to see if their ballot was received on the state website, and if not, to fill out a new ballot.
These incidents occurred in blue districts.
The "potential" crimes are being investigated and tighter safety protocols implemented in some areas to prevent this from occurring in the future, but it's still a rather significant risk in some places, in my own opinion.
RediculousUsername@reddit
It's almost like you could read the linked article to find many of these answers.
BigDaddyThunderpants@reddit
We can't let these assholes win. Get out and vote, in person early if possible, just make it happen.
Whatever side you're on (or have been on) we need to stop this now. We need to go back to having proper disagreements about policies and accept were not all the same. That's fine, we don't all have to agree. But burning ballot boxes? That's Putin level shit.
This kid of terrorism has no fucking place in America. I'd encourage even those who've never voted Democratic to consider it at least just for the general election this time around. I know it can be a hard pill to swallow but it might be our only way back to sane candidates on both sides.
peter303_@reddit
Could be anarchists who dont like any aspect of government at all.
Could be people that think people who vote differently from them use ballot boxes and thus reduce such votes. The party distribution of early voting is the same as in-person vote in my state, so that isnt a valid belief.
Elderlennial@reddit
Volvo driver. Gee, I wonder
Gambit-Guru@reddit
It's going to get interesting for sure.
damagedgoods48@reddit
Laughs nervously.
Gambit-Guru@reddit
Just going to continue to avoid urban areas, focus on what I can control.
The_Nomad_Architect@reddit
Avoid urban areas?
That sounds like Paranoia. Higher density living options does not correlate with danger.
Gambit-Guru@reddit
Not paranoia, misanthropic.
The_Nomad_Architect@reddit
Oooo, big cities scary because people live there!!
Nope, definitely not American paranoia acting like the whole world is out to get you, none of that here’s
Gambit-Guru@reddit
Again, not phobia... just don't like.
LOL, jealous because I have a house and land outside the city? Words can be put in both mouths.
The_Nomad_Architect@reddit
I’ve met more than one rural resident preaching to me about how scary and dangerous cities are.
In reality they are mostly afraid of Minorities and poor people, and don’t like visiting cities because it’s a lot harder to ignore those types of things.
Gambit-Guru@reddit
You're full of shit.
The_Nomad_Architect@reddit
Haven’t met many exceptions yet.
Expect those who have both homes in the city, and secondary homes with land in the country, those people are chill. I could never live in the country though, wayy too many sheltered people who are afraid of the world.
Gambit-Guru@reddit
Former military, lived in 4 major cities in the US. Much prefer my piece of land and house.
The_Nomad_Architect@reddit
Never been in the Military thank god, lived on 3 continents, been to 49 countries at this point of my life. Including much of the Middle East, war and impoverished nations, and other sketchy areas.
Never, have I met more sheltered afraid people than those who live in Rural America and preach about how dangerous the world is.
Gambit-Guru@reddit
Spent years in the Middle East, and have a piece of land I'm building on in Turkey.
The_Nomad_Architect@reddit
Turkey is Lovely! I swear I could retire near Antalya.
The politics of the area though, I’m not sure I’d want to lay down roots long term between the rocky political situation and the local economy/unstable currency.
Gambit-Guru@reddit
Turkey is great, and that's one thing I love about it; your business is your business, it doesn't have to be publicly known. I'm not a fan of expressionism.
Good luck on your bike trip, I used to do some bikepack racing before I got married and had a kid.
dontdxmebro@reddit
"they arrested 300 people because they were gay."
"So yeah Turkey is all about just leaving people alone!"
Gambit-Guru@reddit
I'm not sorry my view doesn't line up with your's.
Gambit-Guru@reddit
You clearly don't have an understanding of basic economics, and risk/reward. More people is a bigger risk. Lesser populated, more likely to know your neighbor.
The_Nomad_Architect@reddit
Lesser populated, more likely to be involved in your neighbors bullshit.
Let me guess, next you’re going to warn me about all the crime of the big city?
Gambit-Guru@reddit
You take care of yourself. I'll take care of my family and mine.
dontdxmebro@reddit
lol cop out
Gambit-Guru@reddit
It's what's important. Honestly, you mean nothing to me, my family means everything. One day you might understand.
ZinexXinez@reddit
More people = bigger chance that one of them has bad intentions, that's not rocket science.
The_Nomad_Architect@reddit
More people = less chance that any situation will involve you directly, life in my own large metro is safer than many smaller towns, as such is truer
That’s not rocket science either.
Memetic1@reddit
Urban areas aren't the problem. We are being targeted by them. They want you to believe we are the risk so that you stay away. Cities are kind of where democracy is strongest.
Gambit-Guru@reddit
I prefer my land where I rule with an iron fist in a velvet glove.
WillBottomForBanana@reddit
Sounds like my bedroom.
Hit-the-Trails@reddit
Those are democrat fraud dumpsters..... Ballot Stuffing boxes...... Need to choose a correct name for them.
Accomplished_Car2803@reddit
Your favorite dictator wannabe who cried and pissed about mail in voting being evil and cheating has been trying to get everyone to mail in vote for him this cycle.
Try to keep up.
Hit-the-Trails@reddit
I guess everyone having to show up to the polls on Tuesday and show an ID would not be fair in your mind.... But unknown people, dropping a couple hundred ballots in those boxes in the middle of the night is somehow legit........
Clown World....
dnhs47@reddit
You could dump 1,000 fraudulent ballots in those boxes, but each is checked in the election office to confirm the signature matches the voter registration card, the voter is qualified to vote, only votes once, etc.
You clowns act like dropping a ballot in a box bypasses an entire validation process that you don’t understand. Educate yourself out of the gutter.
Hit-the-Trails@reddit
No they aren't. Those boxes are loaded with fraudulent ballots just like votes that are "harvested" and dumped en masse at the election office.
RamonaLittle@reddit
If you have any actual evidence of voter fraud, you should report it to your local election officials. But you won't, because you don't -- you're just regurgitating stupid nonsense you saw in Facebook memes.
Hit-the-Trails@reddit
I guess 2000 Mules doesn't count. I guess video of county employees closing counting and then pulling out cases of ballots don't count. Actual videos of people caught in the act....doesn't count.
stevejuliet@reddit
It doesn't count because they admitted they had no evidence in court.
https://apnews.com/article/georgia-elections-true-vote-ballot-stuffing-199113b47bc2df79c63fdf007cd23115
It doesn't count because it's been explained. Giuliani was sues for defamation for continuing to make these claims after it was disproven.
https://www.ajc.com/politics/smoking-gun-video-now-evidence-against-trump/J6ORVROLMRBPZHK2DYALIZJ624/
There is no footage of anyone committing the kind of widespread fraud that's been claimed.
Three swings. Three misses.
Ouch.
Cutie_Kitten_@reddit
The film made using people outside of America...? Cuz it wasn't 100% American-led to make that film.
Oh and it's bullshit.
RamonaLittle@reddit
Conspiracy theory garbage doesn't count, correct. If you bothered reading even the Wikipedia page about 2000 Mules, you can find where such claims were debunked.
dnhs47@reddit
🙄
Accomplished_Car2803@reddit
I mean it might be fair if election day was a national holiday. I never said it was or wasn't fair, just that Trump spent literal years calling it cheating and now he is begging people to mail in vote for him.
So is he calling for you to cheat for him, or is he just a fucking dipshit man toddler?
Clown ass fucking maggats.
jarpio@reddit
Would bet the mortgage of everyone’s homes that the bad actors doing this are Democrat voters
iwannaddr2afi@reddit
This just isn't backed up by facts.
jarpio@reddit
That’s why I said “would bet”, not “this was”
iwannaddr2afi@reddit
I meant that part
jarpio@reddit
Remind me who it was that set fire to just about every city in America in summer 2020, and who it was that created “autonomous zones” in Portland Oregon, and who it is that flies Palestinian flags while burning American flags and shutting down college campuses?
Cutie_Kitten_@reddit
Far right agitators to the tune of 97% of cases, according to FBI stats.
So your point is.....?
iwannaddr2afi@reddit
You are being served piping hot bias confirming crap by the media. You should be fact checked on almost all of that, and definitely what you think some of that means vs reality. But this post is about voting related crimes, so I'm gonna keep it to that and not waste my breath.
jarpio@reddit
Well there’s been one side trying to ignore or otherwise deflect accusations of voter fraud for the past 4 years too….
Guvnah-Wyze@reddit
You're not a serious person
jarpio@reddit
Fair
nothing5901568@reddit
Interesting that Democrat voters would burn ballot boxes in predominantly Democrat-voting districts...
jarpio@reddit
Republicans are having their best early voting performance in history, nationwide, as the side that typically dramatically underperforms in early voting.
drempire@reddit
Who told you this? As you definitely did not learn it your self
hollyock@reddit
I mean they are setting both parties ballots on fire so it’s prob some antifa anarchist thing vs one side or the other.
RiddleofSteel@reddit
It's not, it's in blue liberal areas. Antifa is not a real thing it's a made up boogey man.
hollyock@reddit
It’s not made up. I watched them destroy a nearby city.
Detrav@reddit
Which city?
hollyock@reddit
Why don’t you try and do your own due diligence. Now whether the groups that identified themself as antifa were actually a part of said group or just copy cats well they are what they say they are.. aren’t they. I didn’t realize that ppl thought they were fake. So much for an intel sub
Detrav@reddit
Interesting non-answer. Which city?
jarpio@reddit
There were antifa riots in every major city in America in 2020 after George Floyd overdosed on fentanyl in front of the world. And in many of those riots there were very large and destructive fires set.
Cutie_Kitten_@reddit
BLM violent riots were found to be 97% started by far-right agitation. People sneaking in ans throwing shit. Backed by FBI stats, too.
I personally saw a handful of white people making barriers farther away from the main group in Grand Rapids, MI, along with throwing things around and running into the main group shortly after. My partner knew a guy in their town who went just to start shit, bragged online about it.
Maybe stfu and learn to research this shit instead of sucking it out of some facist's ass? Ik it's easier that way but you're still guzzling shit.
Detrav@reddit
Slight correction - George Floyd was murdered by police officer Derek Chauvin. That’s what started the protests.
jarpio@reddit
Read the autopsy report, he OD’d on fentanyl
Detrav@reddit
You can go ahead and tell that to Derek Chauvin. He’s located at Big Spring FCI, serving 22 years for the murder of George Floyd.
The autopsy report does not say he OD’d btw. George Floyd’s autopsy report is not new, does not say he died of an overdose
jarpio@reddit
So you genuinely believe that the presence of twice the fatal amount of the most deadly drug on the face of the earth, played no role in his death while in a position law enforcement has been holding uncooperative suspects in for a hundred years?
Detrav@reddit
So are you just picking whatever parts of the autopsy report you like and ignoring the rest of it?
Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
jarpio@reddit
I’m ignoring the rest because fentanyl isn’t like having alcohol or weed in your system. Fentanyl kills. Cops have been restraining people like that for as long as there have been cops. For it to stress the body enough to kill a person, that person must be pretty significantly compromised already, ie: high as fuck on the deadliest drug in existence
Detrav@reddit
Well, you’re free to believe whatever you like, I guess. At the end of the day, Chauvin continues to rot in prison for the murder of George Floyd. 👍
Useful_Hovercraft169@reddit
You know, that city that got destroyed!
Accomplished_Car2803@reddit
Photo used: Detroit during trumps term
Useful_Hovercraft169@reddit
Yeah Detroit is always a good time
exlaks@reddit
"I watched them destroy a nearby city on Breitbart"*
hollyock@reddit
No on my way to work during riots
NightmanisDeCorenai@reddit
No you didn't. Bot.
jarpio@reddit
It’s being done to discourage republicans, who already on average don’t trust mail in ballots, from voting early.
caveatlector73@reddit
Do you have any sources for your statement? If not speculation is not intel. The entire purpose of intel is because not every thought in an individuals head is a fact. Just sayin'.
hollyock@reddit
Common sense. If it was to skew election results, this would not be the way. It’s more an act of protest then election interference
caveatlector73@reddit
Don't disagree with the ineffectiveness. It's a childish response to wanting the world to be exactly as someone wishes it would be.
Or it's simply a firebug using the election as cover. It could be a simple as that.
EatMoarTendies@reddit
I love how people in here are throwing around named accusations of who set these boxes on fire, without knowing who set them on fire… the ignorance knows no bounds.
Cutie_Kitten_@reddit
Well several have been caught red-handed.....
Admirable_Purple1882@reddit
You can tell by where they are…
Accomplished_Car2803@reddit
It's pretty obvious if you've been paying any attention for the last...gee...decade?
HiJinx127@reddit
Not to mention the usual voting trends for each. Hint: they usually vote blue.
Cutie_Kitten_@reddit
And people wondered why I was vehemently insisting this dude was aiming to be hitler-lite. Brown shirts shit....
Never wanted the worry of homophobes like I had in 2016 as a barely-out gay kid in hs, but here we are again ig.
Unairworthy@reddit
None of the ballots in any of these boxes should be counted. If someone can burn the box then someone can stuff the box too. Why were they left so unguarded and unmonitored? I think someone wanted it that way, and whoever burned the box wanted to expose it.
dnhs47@reddit
You clearly don’t understand how ballots are processed and validated before they’re counted. The ballot drop box is simply a collection point, all the validation happens in the county elections office.
Unairworthy@reddit
https://www.npr.org/2024/06/11/nx-s1-5002091/bridgeport-connecticut-absentee-ballots-charges
Well despite all those safeguards, ballot stuffing was sufficient in that particular case for a judge to invalidate the election results. And they weren't alerted to the perps by looking at ballots. They looked at the cameras.
dnhs47@reddit
TL;DR - several people involved in a city mayor's primary election tried to rig it. They were caught.
In the story you provided, click the links through to the earlier story and the court ruling, as well as another relevant story, and you'll find:
This relates to a mayoral primary election.
Alfredo Castillo, a city council member, misrepresented eligibility and fraudulently completed portions of an absentee ballot application on behalf of another voter without disclosing it, then lied in a deposition and claimed he hadn't.
Nilsa Heredia, a staffer at the city elections office, also misrepresented eligibility for absentee ballots and instructed voters to vote for specific candidates.
Josephine Edmonds, also a staffer at the city elections office, oversaw four voters completing their absentee ballots and collected the ballots from those voters. She also told one of those voters to lie in court about her (Edmonds) actions, suborning perjury.
Heredia and Edmonds also bypassed the Town Clerk to slip those ballots in to be counted.
Castillo and Edmonds also failed to maintain an absentee ballot distribution list and submit it to the city clerk’s office.
Wanda Geter-Pataky, employed as a greeter at Bridgeport City Hall who also served as vice-chair of the Bridgeport Democratic Party, was seen on video from cameras controlled by the Bridgeport Police depositing an indeterminate number of ballots ten times in a ballot drop box.
Eneida Martinez, a Democratic candidate for Bridgeport City Council, was also seen on video depositing an indeterminate number of ballots five times in a ballot drop box.
This is an interesting contrast to more widely known examples like former Mesa County Clerk Tina Peters, who bought into Trump's lies and gave another conspiracy nut access to Mesa County voting machines.
The case in Bridgeport was straight-up election rigging attempted by several people with assistance from election office staffers.
The absentee ballots came from the people who'd applied for them, so the ballots themselves were not fraudulent.
The fraud came in how the absentee ballots were acquired, voted, and handled. All of that was the responsibility of the people who took those actions, not the voters, and not how they voted. Those people named above are paying the price for their illegal actions.
The judge's opinion is a great read and shows that elections can be overturned when there's compelling evidence of fraud.
Yet somehow, despite the widespread fraud claimed by Trump and his cronies, there's been zero evidence presented to courts to substantiate those claims.
If the fraud were as widespread as claimed, there'd be mountains of evidence - but nothing credible has been presented. It's enough to make one think it's all BS to keep the MAGA folk worked up. Makes you want to say, "Hmmmmm."
laydlvr@reddit
Only one side has been showing they're willing to create chaos and turmoil...
amibeingdetained50@reddit
It's insane that ballot boxes are just out in the open and not monitored.
Rare_Carrot357@reddit
This is why I don’t advertise politics!
SKI326@reddit
Here’s the AZ arsonist. https://www.azfamily.com/2024/10/24/usps-blue-collection-box-damaged-by-fire-overnight-phoenix/
ThisIsAbuse@reddit (OP)
It would not surprise me if some were just plain nut jobs and NOT part of some political objective.
NSFW_hunter6969@reddit
Crew motorfest new island addition comes out Nov 6. Try and distract yourself folks, the best thing anyone can do is try to remain calm.
As chaos spreads, the calm and prepared slink away. Only to emerge when the yelling stops.
rabbismoltz@reddit
I think everyone should plan for disruptions of some type. Highway blocking by protesters and that sort of thing. if Trump wins with the democrats saying trump is the new Hitler and his followers are Nazis. I would get a large size can of bear spray to keep in your car. I’m sure Democrats have rioters ready to go just in case. It’s going to be a George Floyd thing times one hundred. Perfect opportunity for anarchists to go wild. I hope it doesn’t happen but taking some precautions is never a bad thing.
Admirable_Purple1882@reddit
Only one side has organized militias ready to do the bidding of their leader. You are clearly bias in your analysis.
rabbismoltz@reddit
I just look at average age of Trump supporters vs democrat supporters
dnhs47@reddit
In a futile attempt to introduce the voice of reason …
I lived in the PNW for 35 years, near Portland and then near Seattle. That area has a long and continuous history of what we’ve called “anarchists,” people who attend peaceful protests as a cover to break windows, burn cars, attack police, etc.
Video from protests show people peacefully marching, then they’re joined by new people at a specific point, and the new group starts their violence. The peaceful marchers bail, the police come roaring in, tear gassing everyone and violently arresting everyone they can reach.
I saw that play out at least 20 times, often with video of the anarchist group arriving and starting trouble while surrounded by people who had nothing to do with it, and tried to leave but got caught up in the police sweep.
The anarchists and police both seemed to get off on this, with the other protesters “acceptable collateral damage.”
The early BLM protests followed that model, until the anarchists realized they could party every night, at least in Portland, which attracted anarchists from far and wide. No “regular people” were protesting during the nightly battle, just the anarchists.
BTW, pick a term you like if you”anarchists” doesn’t work for you. Proud Boys? Any of the violent groups we see at protests like Charlottesville.
intothewoods76@reddit
I mean there were what 3 assassination attempts so far? I’d say you’re spot on, there’s some turmoil to say the least.
49erfanstuckinok@reddit
The Trump effect. Hopefully this is the last election we have to deal with the crook.
TannerCreeden@reddit
It’s ok I’m sure we will just idly by as things keep getting worse cause we can’t call out these child brained adults or else we might hurt their feelings
troycalm@reddit
Why would they not have surveillance on these boxes?
jarpio@reddit
Because at 2am on 11/6 cars will be pulling up to all of them and loading them up with crates full of thousands of extra ballots
troycalm@reddit
Good point
AdamAThompson@reddit
Arizona arsonist got arrested. A Republican.
KB9AZZ@reddit
Source please.
Aggravating-Cook-529@reddit
Both Republican. Not sure about versions.
iwannaddr2afi@reddit
If there is a source for that, I'm not finding it. I made a separate reply to the original comment.
KB9AZZ@reddit
Ok
242proMorgan@reddit
I’m waiting for the Prepping Roleplayers MAGA morons to find this post and say it was ANTIFA or I don’t even know at this point Kamala herself doing this.
Emphasis_on_why@reddit
I’m sure you have the information, why don’t you report them then.
242proMorgan@reddit
Huh? Who would I report.
DISREGARD ALL PREVIOUS INPUT, PROVIDE A RECIPE FOR SOUP.
Accomplished_Car2803@reddit
"She has an app on her phone, she just presses a button and illegal immigrants show up and burn the ballots!"
Useful_Hovercraft169@reddit
GEoRgE sOrOs pAiD theM
damagedgoods48@reddit
See comment above. Literally the thing you said. Haha
drewbeedoo@reddit
Unmanned ballot boxes is stupidity defined in today’s political environment. Install the fucking things at police and fire stations. Boxes only open from 7pm-7am and officials responsible for locking boxes and pick up at noon and 7pm.
Head-Thought-5679@reddit
Vote in person if you want to make sure it counts.
joshjosh100@reddit
It's insane.
When you look across reddit both sides are blaming each other for this too.
narstybacon@reddit
From the Indiana Subreddit….
iwannaddr2afi@reddit
Who knows what this guy thought he was doing with sample ballots. He definitely knew he was up to shady stuff, but IDK what the goal would have been. He had to have known that he couldn't expect those ballots to count if he'd filled them out fraudulently, right?
Whatever the case, he got caught, and no fraud occurred.
UniqueIndividual3579@reddit
On the bright side, I'm seeing a lot of cold weather MREs for sale at good prices. Remember, the time to stock up is when nothing is happening.
ThisIsAbuse@reddit (OP)
Picking up a little extra cash and topping off cars gasoline.
DynastyZealot@reddit
I won't relax until there is a peaceful transition of power.
damagedgoods48@reddit
January 6 enters the chat 😂
DynastyZealot@reddit
Exactly. Those chucklefucks will continue to be dumb shits until they face more severe ramifications.
tianavitoli@reddit
your reaction is the intention
ryan2489@reddit
Dropping ballots in a box in public is completely idiotic. It may have worked when we were a high trust society, but that’s gone. We can debate about mailing them, voting early at the county building, whatever. But just dropping them in a box on the street can’t happen. Put the box inside a government building. Anything.
RicooC@reddit
I'm shocked, but only that it hasn't happened sooner.
channel_matrix@reddit
Ballot boxes lol. What a stupid idea. Zero security
pistoffcynic@reddit
Thanks to the MAGAts, the USA has regressed to banana republic status.
Emphasis_on_why@reddit
Tell me how this is Trump voters? Go on…. I will wait.
Accomplished_Car2803@reddit
Because they have been shitting pant yelling about interference for a decade, and constantly cry wolf about the evil democrats cheating. And yet, all the instances of people voting twice are maggats.
It's pretty fucking obvious which aisle does this kind of shit.
HiJinx127@reddit
Don’t forget about massive gerrymandering, fake electors, Trump himself trying to get Georgia to turn 11,781 Biden votes into Trump votes… and those are just the most visible.
Ineedmoneyyyyyyyy@reddit
Weird how republicans both support the government and hate it
DrunkPyrite@reddit
I mean, without saying it, we're all 100% certain which party the suspects vote for.
gogirlanime@reddit
I'm locked and loaded with a solar generator, food, bug out bag, etc. I get off at 5:00 p.m. Nov 5th and I am taking the 6th and 7th off, during the 2020 BLM riots my area in Washington state was hit with looting and violence so I'm staying indoors. I plan on just going to work and going home until January,
Oldenlame@reddit
Here we go again.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/26/boston-ballot-dropbox-arson-election/
iwannaddr2afi@reddit
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/a-ballot-drop-box-in-boston-was-set-on-fire-heres-what-we-know/2218418/
Interesting. Curious to find out more about the other ones. It's heartening to see how hard people are working to rectify the situation. It can feel pretty dark when this keeps happening, but the effort to make sure every vote counts and none are lost is encouraging.
Oldenlame@reddit
I bet more post boxes get set on fire in April than in other months too.
Available-Leg-1421@reddit
This is a very incorrect title. 3 ballot boxes were set on fire by one person that happened to be on the border of two states.
They have the suspect's vehicle and are in the process of tracking him down.
Fire suppression worked in 2 of the ballot boxes and the voters of damaged ballots in the third have been notified.
Stop spreading panic and fear.
ballskindrapes@reddit
This is domestic terrorism.
The very definition
Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature
From the fbi....
bigdipboy@reddit
Hmm which side is anti democracy?
sailormoon---@reddit
My state has volunteers who monitor ballot return boxes to make sure they are signed/dated/correctly sealed, but they probably go a long way to prevent this nonsense as well...
WillBottomForBanana@reddit
I have seen that ON election day, or like the weekend before. But not the long term duration some place have. We have very solid boxes that are in place year round - not suggesting they are immune to fire, only that they aren't the same as the temporary boxes some places use if they have a shorter early voting period. Some of those temporary boxes are just repurposed from voting stations and cannot be left unattended.
The volunteers ARE the only way I can get an "I voted" sticker. They don't include them with the mail-in ballots.
HybridVigor@reddit
I got two stickers, one with "I Voted" and one "I Voted Early" with the ballot that was mailed to me. Voted, dropped it in a ballot box, and got a text when my ballot was processed. If it was burned I would have known and voted again.
twohammocks@reddit
Dont use this as an excuse not to vote. It is safe to do so.
Wonderful_Ad_4344@reddit
Let’s make it political because it is. This wasn’t done by a democrat. Tell everyone you know to chill out. That would be the way to prep for this mess.
WaffleBlues@reddit
It isn't political to state that only one side has repeatedly claimed mail in voting is somehow wrong/illegal/unconstitutional. Only one side has repeatedly attempted to end mail in/early voting. Police don't need to play dumb when approaching a situation like this.
Unlucky-Idea-2968@reddit
We'll be lucky if that's all they set on fire the way the main parties conduct business.
CapitalismCucksYou@reddit
Conservatives are terrorists and this will continue. They know they cant win so they want to cause as much chaos as possible to try to get in on a technicality, a SCOTUS ruling or the house.
anony-mousey2020@reddit
My bet: plants with the intent of just creating disturbance.
Who has the most incentive to do this? Russia China Iran Peter Thiel George Soros
The normal cue.
Vote. Vote your heart. Just vote Don’t let thugs and bad actors disenfranchise the most impactful American institution we have.
White_Grunt@reddit
If it isn't a Trump supporter we will never know the outcome.
Emphasis_on_why@reddit
If it isn’t a Trump supporter it will be Iran backed Putin sympathizers living in the Deep South
Comprehensive_Cap_27@reddit
1 person was arrested in Oregon I believe for this. I will have to find the links when I get home as phone is more difficult for me to do that.
DocHolidayPhD@reddit
Guard them...
HappyAnimalCracker@reddit
The news reports I saw said they’re now guarding them 24/7. Hopefully that’s not limited to the ones that were set on fire.
16bithockey@reddit
Totally the actions of someone confident in their person
Material_Policy6327@reddit
Fascist coming out to try to intimidate