How over is it for intel?
Posted by NAmeIsNotGone@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 83 comments
ive bought a 12400f for a build and im upgrading from a i 5 2400 and im kinda at how intel is just kinda falling apart is the 12400f still a good choice? for gaming since i wanted to get on ddr5
HyperCreep77@reddit
at the current pricings, the 12400F might be the last decent CPU that intel made for a decent price (13600KF rarely is worth it as well, but that's it). If you plan on upgrading CPU in the future on the same board it's prolly not worth it tho.
For a little more than what you'd be paying you could get a Ryzen 5 7500F. With PBO enabled it's basically the same as the 7600x, just without iGPU. That would let you upgrade in the future since AM5 socket is still at its start.
As some other comments pointed, if you're going for the 12400F and you're on a budget ddr5 ram won't make that big of a difference. You'd be better off using the bonus money for the GPU.
I wouldn't say it's "over" for intel since it's still a duopoly. AMD now simply got better where intel couldn't, and intel is learning that making the fastest chip isn't worth it if it comes with a 300+W tdp, horrendous power spikes and tons of issues.
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
eh i wont upgrade unless it becomes a problem then ill just up it like a 12900k but ill probs have a new system with amd by then
HyperCreep77@reddit
Then the 12400F should be fine. What's the GPU gonna be?
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
rx 6750 xt coming from a gt 710
HyperCreep77@reddit
nice config, enjoy
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
does the 12th gen have issues kike thr 13th and 14th gen btw?
HyperCreep77@reddit
intel mainly has problems on the high end chips (power hungry). The 12400F runs at 65W, which won't cause any problems. It's worth for the budget.
AMD is worth at any higher pricepoint.
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
very cool btw im going with the rx 7600 xt instead for av1 encoding
HyperCreep77@reddit
At that price point you'll be much better off with a 6700xt. Much better at nearly same price
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
is the recording bad on it
HyperCreep77@reddit
It will of course not be AV1 encoding, but still not bad at all.
At least for how I see it the 6700xt gives you 25% better performance overall compared to 7600xt. That makes it worth it in my eyes.
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
bet ill get the rx 6750 xt since its cheaper
HyperCreep77@reddit
that's like a 35% performance increase compared to 7600xt. That's really good
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
oh dang didnt know it was that much better cant wait to stop using my gt 710 and finally be able to play at above 10-5 fps on high settings lol
HyperCreep77@reddit
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7600-xt.c4190 and https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html are my go to to know gpu tiers. First link tells you raw performance overall, second is more based on your screen res and quality settings
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
i might be able to fit in a rx 7700 xt ngl
HyperCreep77@reddit
if it's cheaper where you live the rx 6800 is same performance and 4GB more VRAM
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
its the same price not sure if i ahould go 7700xt for the av1 encoding
HyperCreep77@reddit
if av1 is worth the 4gb less vram then sure go for 7700xt
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
i personally think it will be worth it i pkay in 1080p mainly
HyperCreep77@reddit
uhh. On 1080p at high fps the main bottleneck will be the CPU. I'd upgrade that if I were you instead of going for the 7700xt
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
ah alr got the 12400f ill just stick with the rx 6750 xt then instead and upgrade down the line
HyperCreep77@reddit
ye that's gonna be a wiser choice in my eyes if you're not going for 1440p. When the time comes you could then sell your 12400f and get a used 12600k/12700kf/12900kf depending on your needs will be
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
later one ill just save for a 12900k or smth as much as intel need to get their shit together 12th gen is all i need and im going amd for my next new build so yeah
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
damn ig imma go rx 6750 xt hope the recording isnt that bad
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
yeah sure will! ill have all parts by the end of novmeber
Anomalous_Traveller@reddit
Kinda curious where you are getting your information from? Intel has been the top CPU manufacturer in the world for decades. And in nearly every application outside of gaming Intel is preferred.
EverydayNormalGrEEk@reddit
We found the userbenchmark spy.
Anomalous_Traveller@reddit
Wow clever response. I’ve never even visited that site or read any of their reviews. I’ve stated a fact that’s verifiable in multiple sources.
Eastern-Professor490@reddit
intel has a slight advantage in adobe and they are better in cad and apps that heavily rely on single core performance. everything else they lost
Anomalous_Traveller@reddit
A reasonable response. Thank you. Those are my primary uses. I don’t claim Intel or a the best in every application etc. I was genuinely curious what made OP think Intel is falling apart and stated that they are still the number manufacturer in the world. That’s not even up for debate, it’s objective fact.
And of course depending on the use-case, there are going to be certain components that preferable. That’s generally true with all technology. Like if all I wanted was a PC for gaming I’d go AMD, because they’ve had that market in a stranglehold for years and don’t seem to be losing any ground.
Eastern-Professor490@reddit
i think op was alluding to was the stability issues and in part oxidation issues during manufacturing which they only admitted to when it became public knowledge. they didn't even communicate this to their biggest customers that bough millions of cpu's. that undermined a lot of trust in the company and together with the semiconductor troubles they had led them to lose about 2/3 of value. they also have some troubles with planned cpu's, but i don't remember details so i won't get into that
Anomalous_Traveller@reddit
Those are fair criticisms. To my knowledge the oxidation effected a batch of 13th gen. And how they handled it at first was scummy and unfortunately typical corporate bs. And the stability issues wasn’t just ton them as it was primarily with Asus motherboards that defaulted to unlimited power for the CPU. Those two companies not communicating. That’s been corrected and the Intel limits for the CPU have a profile in Bios. And I can only speak from my own experience that my i9 14th gen works wonderfully
Eastern-Professor490@reddit
no it wasn't on asus, asus further pushing the cpu's was just adding fuel to the fire, the stability issues were independent from motherboards. first intel blamed overclockers, who btw called the voltages problematic at 13th gen release (they were right), that blaming others then hit motherboard vendors but it was an issue with the cpu's itself that needed fixing. this is one of the problems with intels behaviour and them trying to put the blame on others. there is reason to believe intel new before the release of 14th gen that there was an issue.
you cpu was affected as well, you just got lucky with your silicon lottery that it didn't fail.
it's had to quantify though, an affected cpu could live for another 20 years, but you don't know if it could've lived for 30. those are time frames that don't really matter to us, but uf for example your cpu would've lived for 10 years and now dies after 6 this already has an impact. but determining the cause is a bit like proving that smoking caused cancer in a specific patient or a specific hurricanes strenght was the result of global warming.
the scummiest part though is them trying to weasel out of refunds. here on reddit i talked with someone that was offered a partial refund for his failing 13th gen bc he had already used it for a year. a year in cpu life is nothing, at least that's how it's supposed to be.
Anomalous_Traveller@reddit
The issue with the microcode? I remember that now also.
GonstroCZ@reddit
Well first of all that will be a massive performance upgrade for you (In gaming, considering you are upgradingGPU too?)
Second of all, 13th and 14th gen have the dying problem, 15th gen is very dissapointing in gaming, but in working tasks some software upgrades will be fixed, so I would not really call it falling apart. Besides intel has massive user base, and many many many people will buy intel just because they heard 20 years ago that AMD CPUs are bad... hell even nowadays there are shop sellers who tell this lie to their clueless cuatomers
donkey_loves_dragons@reddit
I have an AMD Ryzen 5800 X3D. I can confirm that I have been an Intel fan boy since the Pentium II 500 Mhz. My main reason for sticking to Intel/Nvidia wasn't being a fan boy, though. It was the simple and to this day valid reason of AMDs incapability to code drivers and firmware that fix a problem without creating 10 new ones. They still suck at it, and I am generally curious why that is so??? It's not the same with Intel and most certainly not a problem with Nvidia. Why, though?
ecwx00@reddit
are you for real? Intel's been the one having problems with firmware, microcode, and BIOS, (and GPU drivers) in recent generations.
donkey_loves_dragons@reddit
That's why I changed to an AMD CPU, in case you conveniently haven't read that! Are you for real not understanding what that implies!!?? Do I have to paint, clap, or dance it for you to understand it?
ecwx00@reddit
you LITERALLY wrote that AMD has problems and not Intel. Are you for real does not understand what you wrote your self? I QUOTED your EXACT writing.
Here let me quote you again.
Your own words man, your own words.
donkey_loves_dragons@reddit
AMD produces not only CPUs, genius. They fixed the CPUs code, not so much the graphics cards, did they? Btw. Keep calm Bro. Its just talking.
ecwx00@reddit
So, Intel's GPU driver is better than AMD? Seriously, bro?
I'm calm bro, I didn't need to clap or dance. I did laugh aloud though, watching you do acrobats trying to deny the thing you wrote yourself :)
donkey_loves_dragons@reddit
You're about as calm as a type 4 hurricane. I never said or claimed that intel's GPU driver were better than AMD's. You did that all by yourself. I haven't even mentioned intel graphics drivers. You're just a troll, that has been reported to the Mods.
GonstroCZ@reddit
Your info is like 10 years outdated my friend, if you have problems, these problems are on your side. Intel literally just showed us precisely, how to F up with their customers, I am talking about 13th and 14th gen problems. They didnt give F about them, instead of just trying to see what is really happening to THEIR cpus, just just said, ,,not our problem, complain to motherboard producers,,
donkey_loves_dragons@reddit
Dude, the latest news about AMD software not doing what it should is three days old. I have a 5800X3D for exakt the reasons we know about Intel 13th/14th. I atill do not zrust Radeons, their firmware and drivers, though. You act as if I am not allowed to say anything you dont like! Are you a MAGA hat by any chance? It fits perfectly the narrative.
GonstroCZ@reddit
And you are acting like you had a right to express your opinion always and whenever somebody replies to you, you get offended lmao :D isnt this exactly the point of discussion?
I have Radeon for 2 years and had exactly 0 problems with drivers
donkey_loves_dragons@reddit
...and another one, who thinks their anecdotal success story means anything for the main problem the majority of ppl has.
Guess what!? I haven't had a single problem with my builds in the past 15 years. I know what I'm doing, because that's my job. What's yours?
GonstroCZ@reddit
Majority people? Strange i am not seeing many in this subreddit, strange that I helped like 10 friends build their PCs, 7 of them went with AMD and none of those 10 people had ANY problem. No offense, it is just my hobby, but I am pretty sure I know more than many PC shop sellers or I know where to look when a problem appears.
One of my local shop sellers is this type of guy who is anti AMD no matter what. He also claimed, that hdmi 2.0 is same as DP 2.0 when I wanted to buy one (turned out he didnt have dp 2.0 in stock lol). From this subreddit I have many more stories, like guy visiting 3 shops and they could not tell him that stock cooler doesnt pair well with i7 12700k...
Ofc I am not saying you dont know your job. And I dont really know where is this convo heading, OP asked whether intel is cooked, I said intel is not cooked, you said AMD is bad, I said thats not true, you said I have my success story of my single build etc... :p
donkey_loves_dragons@reddit
I take no offence. Since I started working in that field I realised how little the average IT guys knows about a PC, its components and software it needs.
You can't imagine the sheer number of guys there who utter:"Never change a running system." Now, these guys are stuck in 1990!
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
from gt 710 to rx 6750 xt :)
GonstroCZ@reddit
Noice
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
yeah defo gonna feel a diffrence
Xaliven@reddit
I paired an rx 6900xt with an i5 12400 and they pair nicely. Haven't had any major issues for gaming at 1440p except maybe in The Last of Us Part 1 and it's an amazing budget cpu with good price to performance ratio.
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
im fine with that its still a major upgrade from a i5 2400 lol
Xaliven@reddit
Yeah exactly! Hope you enjoy your new build!
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
im decicding should i spend the extra 50-60 pound on the rx 6800 over the rx 6750 xt?
Xaliven@reddit
RX 6800 is an amazing card so it's definitely worth investing more on it. The GPU is probably the best thing to upgrade as it has the most impact on your performance so yeah if you can spare some money, choose the better gpu!
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
ill defo see how money things go and if i have the money ill go rx 6800 but if not im not gonna complain!
Xaliven@reddit
Absolutely go with whichever you can afford.
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
yeah i will defo a major upgrade from a gt 710 lmao
snakee-the-arch-guy@reddit
the bottleneck is insane
toddysimp@reddit
At 1440p it's barely noticeable.
snakee-the-arch-guy@reddit
but still pairing a 1080p cpu with a 1440p beast is a weird combo tho, 12600kf or 12700kf is a good cpu for rx 6900xt, but
XDenzelMoshingtonX@reddit
There is no such thing as a 1080p CPU, if anything you need a stronger CPU at a lower res. Stop spreading misinformation if you have no idea what you are talking about.
snakee-the-arch-guy@reddit
srry
XDenzelMoshingtonX@reddit
Nonsense, got a 5600x (which is on par with a 12400f) paired with a 6900XT and it works absolutely fine in 1440p.
ecwx00@reddit
12400f is still a decent CPU. Upgrading to 13th and 14th gen is not really safe, Intel has supposedly released a microcode + BIOS that prevents the problem to happen again but it doesn't fix CPUs that are already affected, which means CPUs that have been turned on on the system running the old microcode/BIOS.
The newer Arrow Lake should be safe, but since you have to replace your mobo and RAM upgrading to Arrow Lake, you might as well go with AMD AM5 products that over better price performance ratio, lower power draw, and better overall efficiency.
But, if you really want Intel, go Arrow Lake. 13th gen and 14th gen are just not worth the risk
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
ill probs go amd next build :) unless intel make a come back
Pesebrero@reddit
12400f is a massive upgrade over a 2nd gen i5, and it's fine for a budget build as long as you got it cheaper than a 5600/x, and you aren't planning to upgrade your CPU. However, if you wanted a modern build, AM5 is the way to go for DDR5.
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
not planning on upgrading
dx151@reddit
You can do one of two things:
1. Stick with that i5-12400F and get DDR4 board. DDR5 is an overkill for 12400F. DDR4 is still a very good RAM and will last for roughly the same time as your 12400F, even more than that.
2. Return (if it's not too late)/resell your i5-12400F and get yourself Ryzen 5 7500F and some nice AM5 board of B650 chipset variety that will last you for 10 years. In my country Ryzen 5 7500F is $40 more expensive, but in tests also shows almost 40% better score than i5-12400F. Plus, that AM5 socket will last you at least 8-10 years worth of upgrades, plus it will give you your desired DDR5.
First option is cheaper, but will last 4 years. Second is more expensive, but will last you over 8 years at least. So yeah, that's what I think about this.
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
ah sadly i dont think i can return it thats sucks i guess its my own fault but 4 years seems fine to me im planning to get a new pc in about that time tbf and ive looked st benchmarks and the build i wanna get seems fine i mainly got it cuz it was a cheap way to get in ddr5 cuz im not rich lmao but ill see how much cheaper ddr4 is thanks for the help :)
dx151@reddit
Then make the most of that i5-12400F. It's not at all a bad CPU. And I'm being a bit strict with that 4 years, it will probably last 5-5,5. DDR4 is more than fine, throw that DDR5 obssession out of your head, man. Good luck with your build.
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
yeah ill throw that ddr5 obession out thanks for wishing me luck i cant wait to finally get more than like 30 fps on lowest settings 800x600 lol! any mobo reccomandtions? and ddr4 ram?
dx151@reddit
Well, if you're really short on funds I'd recommend MSI H610M-G (it's important - G, not E, A or B). It's the most basic of basic boards, and it has a 110W limit on CPU power, but that's just what you need for i5-12400F if you want to save as much money as you can. I've seen people squeezing 110 FPS from Cyberpunk 2077 on ultra setting on that board with i5-12400F and some good GPU. That's the best tactic if you're using "I'll build this and use it as long as it lasts me and then just make a fresh build from scratch" approach.
As for the RAM - 90% of RAM sticks are made by the same circle of companies so they're all almost identical. Pick any with 3200 MHz speed and you'll be fine. I myself use Patriot Memory Viper Blackout DDR4 3200 and I'm happy with it.
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
im going wityh the msi pro b760-p wifi since it has wifi and its atx which is all i need and its in my budget
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
and ill go with some ddr4 3200 corsair ram
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
dask1@reddit
getting 12400 with ddr5 is a waste of money.
get ryzen 7600 with ddr5 so u will have upgrade path.
NAmeIsNotGone@reddit (OP)
ight ill see ddr4 thanks for the help!
toddysimp@reddit
Get at least a 12600kf if you want to get the most of your ddr5 kit. I'd just get the 12400f and ddr4 kit.
Bear_of_dispair@reddit
If you already bought it, it's too late asking whether you bought the right one. If you were on an i5 2400, getting anything made in past 5 years will be like switching from a PS1 straight to PS5. All the hate Intel gets in past few years is over being one of the 2 companies that makes x86 CPUs and being slightly behind on either performance or value from the current best offer on the market.