They lobbed a load of ballistic missiles at Israel but they "do not seek war"?
How's that work then and will it stand up in court?
"Yes m'lud, the defendant did shoot at the victim and only failed to hit because he can't shoot for toffee....but he didn't seek murder."
It's the bigotry of low expectations at work. Because Iran's threats and actions are so inept, no one seems to treat them with the seriousness they should, especially the UN.
You don't get to prop up terrorists and direct them to continuously attack another country and cry about it when that country strikes back. Saying Israel attacked first given the history of the region shows a child's like view of the conflict.
The vast majority of the world doesn't care because it doesn't affect them. Once again, you're displaying a child's viewpoint here. Then again, you'd probably justify their actions, knowing that by the those same countries definitions if it happened to them they would call it terrorism.
Once again posting false information. Link works completely fine. It's an imgur image. You lying about that, too?
https://ibb.co/N9y54wg
Or will you say that doesn't work, either?
That's what, like, 15-20 countries who recognize Hezbollah as a terrorist org? Yeah, wow, that sure is the majority. Not even 20% of the global population either, lmao.
When I click the link I get a red box that says "The requested page could not be found" on the imgur site. If it's your post then you can see it.
You got any dates or attribution for that image? Bc right now it's just a graphic with no useful information. Could be hezbollah, could be countries that enjoy the sweet crooning of Neil Diamon the most.
It's a cycle of violence. Iran's missile attack was retaliation for Israeli attacks against Iranian assets in Lebanon. It wasn't just something they did out of the blue, and it's extremely concerning that a lot of western media has been trying to frame it that way, as if they think we have the attention span of gnats.
Yes, when Israel attacks Iran, their own internal politics demand that they retaliate, hence the missile barrage. And then Israel has to retaliate for *that*, and then Iran has to retaliate for the retaliation for the retaliation for the retaliation, and so on and so forth until one or the other is willing to accept national humiliation or full scale war develops.
Don't frame this as a one sided thing.
>Iran's missile attack was retaliation for Israeli attacks against Iranian assets in Lebanon.
"assets" is a nicer way of saying Islamic terrorist militia, but keep going, why stop there? Israel attacked those "assets" because they have been launching rockets at them for the past Year starting with Oct8, effectively Iran attacked Israel way earlier.
But please, show me how open minded and enlightened you are.
You don't think Israel has used proxies to attack Iran ? Or even indirectly sabotaged diplomatic relations between Iran and the United States. I seem to remember israel being a huge opponent of the Iran nuclear deal. These two countries have been in asymmetrical warfare forever. Frankly I don't think Iran should have launched missiles at israel but to sayhisrael hasn't been ratcheting up tensions just as bad is wrong.
>I seem to remember israel being a huge opponent of the Iran nuclear deal.
Funny you brought this up, i also remember Argentina was also an opponent of that deal and [Hezbollah had a thing to say about that on behalf of Iran](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIA_bombing)
>Argentina had been targeted by Iran after Buenos Aires' decision to suspend a nuclear technology transfer contract to Tehran.
Iran has been going after nuclear for a long time my man, way before 2015, you mentioned the nuclear deal and it reminded me of this event which seems kinda relevant.
Why do you think breaking off diplomatic relations in 2016 and isolating Iran from the west was a good idea? It allowed hardliners in Iran more political power and pushed them closer to countries like Russia and China. Even if they are backing anti Israeli militias it would have still been safer and better for everyone for the United States to improve diplomatic ties to the country. But all BB and his government want to do is blow up kids so idk.
what? Iran has been anti-west since the 80's, breaking off diplomatic relations happened BECAUSE Iran is so anti west, not the other way around, there's only so many times Iran can insult and spit on the west before the west turn it's back to it, come on man, also a terrorist attack to kill civilians is NOT an acceptable response, Jesus, can't believe you're even attempting to defend this.
You're missing the point the United States were attempting to repair relations with Iran. I'm not defending a massacre. And a bunch of countries agreed with the United States approach. At some point you have to move forward and it's not like the United States or Israel cares morally about who they have diplomatic relations with. It's also not like they were going to be friends. The fact is is they were taking steps towards normalizing relations. There are other ways to fix problems besides just blowing people up which people like you , israel and the hardliners in Iran seem to believe is the only fucking option.
If Iran actually cared about fixing relations then they would have stopped funding their proxy group in Lebanon that has not stopped attacking Israel, simple as that.
>"If Israel cared about fixing relations they would have done x"
the "x" in this case would be "stopped existing".
stop being so charitable to a country that funded multiple terrorist militias that killed countless innocent civilians and a country that it's own people has tried for decades to overthrow, seriously.
Im not being charitable Israel is hardly anymore innocent than Iran and neither care about the lives of normal people. Or Do the 40k+ people in Gaza just not count as innocent lives or the 3k Muslims in Lebanon the Idf helped the lebenese to massacre in the 80s? Or any of the Palestinians that were killed before October 7th? Are they not innocent people killed by Israel?
And here i thought this will be one discussion about this one conflict, because we can easily go decades about this.
Honestly if you want my personal opinions i think humans at a whole suck, but if i a gun to my head and had to choose to live under Iran or Israel the choice is pretty easy.
I mean for once Israel has 20%+ Arab civilians living within it's borders and they are pretty open and progressive in terms of what you can be and what you want to do, meanwhile 99.5% of Iran are Muslims according to the official census data (not that it's 100% correct) because it's basically illegal to be anything but Muslim, and it's completely illegal to be gay or anything else progressive, so the choice is not really that hard.
Hezbollah does not move an inch without the say so of Iran, they are the ones that fund them, even if Hezbollah wanted to leave the borders with accordance of the 1701 UN resolution, they would need the say so from Iran, which would never give it as they are being used as pawns to attack Israel.
You're a little late to the party buddy [They did that back in 2000 and the UNFIL helped confirm this withdrawal](https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/on-this-day-un-resolution-425-finalizes-israels-withdrawal-from-lebanon-671218)
Was a contested territory held by Syria before it was taken by Israel after Syria lost the six day war, but honestly I wish they would be given for a peace deal with Lebanon, unfortunately that will never happen as long as Hezbollah has power here.
A peace deal isn't going to happen because Israel doesn't want a peace deal, not because Hezbollah is there. Israel is currently in violation of 425, and it still wouldn't be the case even after, because Shebaa Farms is Lebanon.
Yes, "inside information" aka the public statements of Israeli cabinet members endorsing the annexation of Lebanon. C'mon, you're Israeli, I'm sure you know this.
> https://archive.ph/mmaok
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>Israel's Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said on Sunday that the Israeli army should create a security zone in southern Lebanon should Hezbollah not heed an Israeli ultimatum to withdraw from the border area.
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>https://archive.ph/3o64o
has literally nothing to do with Lebanon?
Like if you need to grasp at straws it should tell you to do some self reflection my man, I'm sure you can find some far right nutjob to quote, you can do better.
>Israeli cabinet members calls for invasion and occupation of Lebanon, uses map that shows southern Lebanon being annexed into "Greater Israel"
"Uh actually this doesn't have anything to do with Lebanon"
Running out of arguments, huh?
That was in 2000, and compliance involves not breaching the Blue Line by land, air, or sea. Israel has regularly violated Lebanese air space since 2000, which means it is not in compliance with 425.
UN resolution 425 already happened, the UN secretary in the 2000s made sure to say that Israel had completed their part.
>The UN Secretary-General concluded that, as of 16 June 2000, Israel had indeed withdrawn its forces from Lebanon, in accordance with resolution 425 (1978). The border recognized by the UN is known as the "Blue Line".
The Sheeba farms are left, but that is at most "disputed territory" since both Israel and the UN agree it's part of the Golan heights ("occupied territory" by UN, but not from Lebanon), while Syria (after losing it) and Lebanon (after Israel took it) say it's part of Lebanon.
425 did not happen specifically because of Shebaa Farms. Golan Heights is illegally occupied, according to the UN, and the only claims thay Syria has to it is that they occupied it before Israel did. Even then, if Golan Heights belongs to Syria, as the UN says, then it's theirs to give to whomever they wish, which means it's Lebanon.
Resolution 425 talks about the withdraw of Israeli troops from the Lebanese territory, wich they DID, again the UN agrees with Israel that the Shebaa farms are not Lebanese, but rather just a part of the Golan heights, wich they identify as "occupied" but Syrian, not Lebanese.
Resultion 425 did happen since Israel did retreat from the Lebanese internationally recognized territory, wich again, doesn't include the Shebaa farms.
And i'll correct myself, Syria agrees on the claim of the Shebaa farms as Lebanese, yet they don't really have any binding agreement about "how much" of the Shebaa farms are Lebanese and how the new border would be, so it's at most just disputed territory, but still recognized as "Syrian" by the UN.
The UN has routinely found that Israel has violated the Blue Line by land and air since 2000. Antonip Guterres called them out for it in 2019. Israel has not been in compliance.
israel also didnt just strike 'assets' in lebanon 'out of the blue'
This entire iteration of recent conflict all comes back to Iran, who are lucky to probably have been the least impacted so far
im not playing that game because I can literally prove it goes well before that but you will choose a line in the sand that suits your narrative and say thats when it all began. You guys always do. I cant have respect for someone that in best case is a paid Iranian troll farm employee, or worst case, a stupid westerner who falls for their shit
Because he was at Hezbollah's HQ in an official capacity to provide support to Hezbollah from Iran. He was internationally sanctioned for his role in the suppression of civil protests in Iran in 2022.
You can argue about whether he deserved to die but there's no point in arguing that world is poorer for his passing.
I'm not talking about whether they do have the capability. I'm asking if Iran is justified to do that and whether Israel should have the right to retaliation.
I don't believe Iran is justified in trying to assassinate Netenyahu. I think any state should be expected to retaliate when attacked. Iran is not under attack here, it's supporting Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houtis and attacking by proxy. It's assisting Russia in its invasion of Ukraine.
If you're playing devil's advocate here, fine, it's annoying. If you really believe Iran is the aggrieved party, that's not my understanding, maybe you can change my mind.
I just find it weird that Israel can just strike an Iranian general and not expect a response from them. Like imagine is Russia was to hit a NATO general for supplying weapons to Ukraine, that's unthinkable.
>cant expect too much critical thought around here obviously
Interesting words to use after pretending that the person you replied to implied that Israel *did* attack them out of the blue, when they literally stated otherwise.
Why would anyone waste energy on critical thought to respond to someone who won't even put the due effort into reading?
you do realise a reply to a comment can be either a disagreement or agreement with their position right? or are you too stuck in the combative mindset of arguing for the sake of arguing? does context mean anything to anyone these days? god i hope the US election ends soon so all this russian/iranian troll farms can fuck off and focus on something else
>or are you too stuck in the combative mindset of arguing for the sake of arguing
You literally called them a supporter of Hamas and Hezbollah, who do you think you are to call others combative? You're even worse at lying than you are reading.
All in on Russia? Already am. Im praying for the day Putin meets the firing squad. You see, countries which take the land of other countries by force are doing bad things when they do that.
You've got one rule for Russia and another for Israel. It can't be easy being so mentally fragmented.
> t's a cycle of violence. Iran's missile attack was retaliation for Israeli attacks against Iranian assets in Lebanon.
So "Iranian assets" in Lebanon attacked Israel with rockets, presumably with Iranian encouragement, but Iran "doesn't seek war"?
Again, how exactly does that work?
"Yes, your honour, my client did tell his employee to go and kick Mr Stein's head in, but he didn't seek harm."
Proxies by their very nature are a step removed from the sponsor. In the international law sub I think it was somone asked about this general situation and if the attacks by proxies can be used to attack the sponsor. I will go look for the post an link it if I can.
So you're saying that instead of just directly attacking rocket fueling sites, Israel should be funding a Baluchestani independence movement or Sunni militant groups in Iran like Jaish al-Adl?
Good idea. [Because then they have plausible deniability.](https://apnews.com/article/iran-police-shooting-sistan-baluchestan-province-8e1ea2c0c73606ffd189eb97efaaf05d)
Legal justification for either side hitting the other is my point, but both will strike back if they feel they have to legality is more or less a if it works in a given situation. The US had no legal justification for our invasion of Iraq in 2003 many of our allies called out our "intelligence" saying Iraq had WMDs and many didn't join the invasion whereas they had for Afghanistan because we had an unquestionable justification there.
Israel assassinating Nasrallah in Lebanon is not grounds for Iran to launch 180 ballistic missiles at Israeli civilians, regardless of what they claim.
1. Haniyeh was not an Iranian citizen, but rather the leader of a fundamentalist nonstate militia that Iran was hosting as a guest of the state; he was not a visiting diplomat.
Perhaps if Iran did not wish for Haniyeh to be assassinated, then it would not have hosted the leader of a fundamentalist nonstate militia as a guest of the state
2. The Iranian general killed in that air strike was moonlighting as a member of Hezbollah’s executive leadership, sitting on its shura council.
Perhaps if Iran did not wish for its senior military personnel to be assassinated in its embassy, then it would not allow its senior military personnel to hold formal executive roles in nonstate fundamentalist militia groups, and then buck international norms by hosting members of those nonstate fundamentalist militias within its embassy compound.
1. There was no airstrike of an Iranian embassy. A building near the consulate was hit, and it was used for military operations against Israel, making it a legitimate target.
2. Iran said their attack was in response to the killing of Nasrallah, not Haniyeh.
So no is your answer. You can't name a single time in all of Israels history that they have put a base under a school.
I rest my case and have a good day/ night.
Putting a military base next to a school is just as bad as putting a military base under a school. And there's 10X more evidence of Israel doing the former than of Hamas doing the latter. The only evidence that Israel has that Hamas our a military base under any hospitals is that Israel built those bunkers themselves and just assumed that Hamas used, and yet has beer actually been able to show any evidence. Thank God Iran doesn't use the IDF's strategy of targeting any civilian building that might have an IDF member in it. That would pretty much make every building Israel a target.
By US and IDF logic, yes, it does. If the US doesn't want that to be the case, then should should remove them, the same way that they claim Hamas should basically operate in the desert away from everyone else.
It's going to standup fine, considering the "lobbed a load of ballistic missiles at Israel" in response to Israeli attacks both inside and outside of Iran on their military and their allies.
Israel should cook the Iranian regime so the Iranian people can get back to some normalcy in the regional relationships, and in their country.
Israel doing the dirty work on behalf of all other governments to afraid too in the middle east.
Normalcy being complete subjugation to American and other imperialist interests?
Yes methinks because Israel is the only one willing to get their hands dirty killing children and bombing hospitals and solve the whole Arab question! A nice war will fix things, western regime change wars always work!
What actions revoke your victim status when you are a victim of colonialism? Please keep crying that systems and structures matter and people who aren’t as dumb as bricks don’t consider and examine every little thing as if they occur in a vacuum.
I'm gonna be honest, Even as much as i dont like Iran, I really hope someone could step up and teach IDF a hard lesson to stop them, because it's obvious that US gonna do shit about it. Especially if the braindead yanks gonna vote Trump up.
Now with Iran try to de-escalate but IDF continue to push anyways, it just seems like they're sadly unstoppable despite international outrage and they just dont care.
Do you really not understand the Israeli narrative? It really is about just surviving, first and foremost. Or do you understand it but reject it wholesale? Do you accept the other side's narrative uncritically? Now you got me curious.
>You really think the Israeli narrative - today - is just about surviving?
I do, sincerely. It's taken on a hard edge because of the failures of the peace process and because an apparent total lack of good faith on the other side, but yes the overriding theme is preserving a Jewish homeland with roughly the same shape as it has now. Everything else is in pursuit of that.
The charges of seeking "liebensraum" are BS. Only the radical fringe has any interest in more territory.
The basic anxiety id being pushed into the sea and massacred wholesale. And please be real, many enemy belligerents have been trying to do exactly that since the inception.
>What do you think the Palestinian narrative is?
I sympathize with the people who are stuck with no hope of a decent life. I really do. But people need to examine how it got this bad in the first place. They need to accept their share of accountability. But so much of the international community gaslights them into a lethal rage.
Oh they need to be brought to heel. They're an embarrassment and a major obstacle to diplomacy. Most Israelis agree with this BTW.
Netenyahu is the most (domestically) unpopular Israeli PM in the country's short history.
I'm glad to hear you say it. I don't think our views are too far off. I unequivocally recognize the right of Israelis to their homeland, and to live there in peace. I also recognize the same right for Palestinians, as well. Netanyahu and his ilk have been a massive detriment to the peace process (even pre October 7) - and I don't think they see this as a war for just survival purposes. And yes - the situation in the west bank is heinous, and played no small part in what led to the atrocities of October 7th (yes, I am aware Hamas is technically not in the West Bank).
It seems we recognize each other as reasonable people in the end despite a somewhat rough start 🤝
I'm glad you're not one of those "occupiers/oppressors have no right to life" people.
Lol, yes - apologies for my snappiness earlier.
I am also glad to see that you are not beyond criticizing Israel's actions when they deserve it, and understand (at least in part) the reasons why there is animosity on the other side towards Israel that is more than just "because they hate Jews."
Both this and the Israeli strike it responds to seem to be clear signs of de-escalation, at least in the realm of direct action between the two countries.
Whether this will extend to Iran's proxies remains to be seen, but it's certainly a hopeful turn of events despite all the horror happening in Gaza and Lebanon.
Iran's proxies also fight for themselves. Iran just sponsors their war efforts, much like the US does Israel.
Even if Iran completely stopped finding, resistance groups would continue to fight against Israeli agression / occupation.
ah yea he only ordering to starve and total annihilation of the "animals" that is Palestinians, and bombing building ignoring hostages, and ordering to invest more in Hamas to his Likud party
Oh, was that before or after Hamas savagely raped and brutalized Israelis in their homes and dragged their dead bodies through the streets of Gaza while Palestinian civilians desecrated their bodies? Ah yea, it was after.
> Lol that has been debunked too many times to count
[Then you can't count very high the answer is 2](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-2-debunked-accounts-of-sexual-violence-on-oct-7-fueled-a-global-dispute-over-israel-hamas-war)
2 times. So tell us who do you endorse for president of the US because Kamala says those happened to men, women and children
Is Kamala part of your Russian troll farm conspiracy too?
Still pushing the fake rape claims? Both the Un and human rights watch said Israel blocked any independent investigations into those claims and none of the eyewitnesses they had were allowed to meet with them. It’s the new fake 40 beheaded babies lie that Netanyahu and Joe Biden and the IOF all claim they saw that never existed
That is such an insane flip. "Gaza's barrier" isn't there to keep the IDF out of Gaza. They went in there every other week to "mow the lawn". You are completely out of context, it's so insane. This place is so fucking crazy.
He is a huge failure and is riding high on recent wins. That's a big difference than Sinwar being denied Iranian operation backing
They only ever fired drones and missiles directly this year because... If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him
The rest says to pretend to be weak but Israel isn't pretending 10/7 was weak as hell
No. Hezbollah was not founded by Palestinians, but by the Shiites of southern Lebanon and the Bekaa valley- who were, for the most part, present in those areas prior to 1948.
The emergence of Hezbollah as a unified force is contemporaneous with the arrival of a few thousand IRGC trainers in Lebanon in summer 1982. Hezbollah back then had their own motivations, but they were joined at the hip with Iran from the start. 10 years of combat under Iranian command in Syria effectively made them one in a way that is not the case for the other Iranian proxies.
It certainly does when you
a) provide IRGC generals to train that organization (https://carnegieendowment.org/middle-east/diwan/2024/04/israel-has-killed-senior-irgc-quds-force-officials-in-damascus?lang=en)
B) have provided them with an estimated 200 000 missiles and other armaments. And funding. Making them more powerful than the army of Lebanon.
[https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-war-between-israel-hezbollah-and-iran&ved=2ahUKEwii45nY07CJAxV1LzQIHU\_iJzkQFnoECBYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3U58ezTh7PlrfY6eDfmOj2](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-war-between-israel-hezbollah-and-iran&ved=2ahUKEwii45nY07CJAxV1LzQIHU_iJzkQFnoECBYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3U58ezTh7PlrfY6eDfmOj2)
C) are their fatal weak point when the Iranian regimes anti-Mossad task force turns out to be run by Mossad agent infiltrators [https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241001-iran-counter-intelligence-head-tasked-with-finding-mossad-operatives-was-himself-an-israel-agent-ex-president-reveals/&ved=2ahUKEwin7b361LCJAxWlMjQIHddzGZkQFnoECBYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1BrfZz-zMtOnYhjBDtCczy](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241001-iran-counter-intelligence-head-tasked-with-finding-mossad-operatives-was-himself-an-israel-agent-ex-president-reveals/&ved=2ahUKEwin7b361LCJAxWlMjQIHddzGZkQFnoECBYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1BrfZz-zMtOnYhjBDtCczy)
These agents wind up gathering so much intelligence on you they run a devastating castration strike (which incidentally blinds the Iranian ambassador to Lebanon)
[https://www.hudson.org/technology/brilliance-operation-grim-beeper-lebanon-pager-explosion-israel-iran-michael-doran](https://www.hudson.org/technology/brilliance-operation-grim-beeper-lebanon-pager-explosion-israel-iran-michael-doran)
This is followed by decapitation strikes
[https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/30/the-decapitation-of-hezbollah-leaves-iran-weighing-its-options&ved=2ahUKEwjdnb221rCJAxXULzQIHQ0ABfEQFnoECBQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3OkEJ5Zx6kvVNqiAG0XTQy](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/30/the-decapitation-of-hezbollah-leaves-iran-weighing-its-options&ved=2ahUKEwjdnb221rCJAxXULzQIHQ0ABfEQFnoECBQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3OkEJ5Zx6kvVNqiAG0XTQy)
and Lebanese airport operators telling the airplane flying an IRGC emergency management team into Lebanon from Iran to turn the plane around before they make land, otherwise Lebanon will lose an airport when the Israelis blow them up.
[https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanon-blocks-iranian-plane-entering-airspace-after-israeli-threats-ministry-2024-09-28/&ved=2ahUKEwicpr2817CJAxVNCTQIHS\_uIkcQFnoECBUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1du5EsOTQphK7V4Z51DaPI](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanon-blocks-iranian-plane-entering-airspace-after-israeli-threats-ministry-2024-09-28/&ved=2ahUKEwicpr2817CJAxVNCTQIHS_uIkcQFnoECBUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1du5EsOTQphK7V4Z51DaPI)
So... you said something?
I mean, Israel’s strike appears designed to both send a strong message and deescalate. From what it looks like it’s SEEMS like they mostly struck infrastructure, SAMs, radar, military weapons depots, things that pack a punch, but aren’t really in civilian areas, making it easy for Iran to claim they missed even if they didn’t (saves face). But they also did it while operating with impunity over Tehran, a pretty clear “this is a shot over the bow, we can reach anywhere in Iran, even the capital, now knock it off… or next time we might hit some Mullahs.”
Also, they can’t really go to war conventionally, so unless something really dramatic changes, they’re just going to be lobbing missiles at each other until they can deescalate.
> Also, they can’t really go to war conventionally, so unless something really dramatic changes, they’re just going to be lobbing missiles at each other until they can deescalate.
For sure, but that's a big step down from killing Haniyeh in Tehran. They also haven't struck critical or nuclear-related infra (as far as I can see?), so it feels like a "deescalation with face-saving". Iran can probably retaliate by stealing a bunch of traffic cones and call it even.
>“We do not seek war but we will defend the rights of our nation and country,” Pezeshkian told a cabinet meeting on Sunday. He added: “We will give an appropriate response to the aggression of the Zionist regime.”
>It is not clear whether Pezeshkian was indicating that Iran would contemplate a direct military response, could step up efforts to arm regional proxies including Hezbollah, or would consider other diplomatic protests in response to Saturday’s airstrikes.
So they're not doing anything. Whatsoever. Again. Got it.
It's about stopping a perceived invasion or attack, so I'll re-ask my question: What were the previous missiles shot at Israel, pretend?
To explain it a little more for you, if an attack against a country happens then a counter attack wouldn't be considered preemptive, it would be considered a counter.
Israel attacks were preemptive and unnecessary.
Iran has every right as much as Israel to defend itself.
A person attacked on their own soil, that was part of a peace deal in Gaza.
An attack targeting a bunch of exploding pagers.
Etc. Israel attacks… Irans responds
Okay so you seem to be ignoring my question which makes me think you're reading comprehension might be a little bit too low to have a conversation. Good luck with that and I hope you find the resources you need to succeed.
In 1967 Egypt closed a strait
Egypt had gotten incorrect information that Israel was amassing troops from Russian intelligence source.
Israel sent a preemptive attack at the Egyptian Air Force.
No communication, straight to attack.
I have not seen any ww3 alarmism here lol. People are worried about the spill over of what was once 2 major regional powers duking it out through proxy wars, now directly engaging in lobbing shit in the air back and forth at eachother.
And added to that is there is already a massive humanitarian crisis going on not just in Gaza but now Lebanon that is effecting millions and they are going to need somewhere to go. That is part of the spill over of the regional powers escalating their proxy wars to limits that haven't been seen in over 2 decades and we have hardly even begun to deal with that or feel the long term effects of millions of people losing their homes to perceived western aggression.
Israel is declaring success, and Iran is talking about "appropriate" response. That's what adults do, and, sorry for all outrageous kiddos, but being an adult is boring like shit, and that's a good thing. No boom-booms are welcome.
Doesn't seek war? Then why install this massive AI art ["we are "Masters of war" billboard baiting the enemy?](https://i.redd.it/wqzau5x2aaxd1.jpeg)
Now that North Korea has joined the axis of evil the ritual is complete. Comical Ali himself couldn't have done better mass gaslighting
Interesting how the Hebrew part is completely different from Arabic.
Arabic: "If you want war we are the master of war"
Hebrew: Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth, and this is the beginning of the story
(יש למחוק את ישראל מעל פני האדמה וזו תחילת הסיפור)
And Israel has indicated in advance that it will respond to the response judiciously, itself a response to the response to the response to the response to the response...
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> Iran’s president, Masoud Pezeshkian, said Tehran was not looking for a war but would respond “appropriately” to Israel’s strikes.
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> “We do not seek war but we will defend the rights of our nation and country,” Pezeshkian told a cabinet meeting on Sunday. He added: “We will give an appropriate response to the aggression of the Zionist regime.”
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> It is not clear whether Pezeshkian was indicating that Iran would contemplate a direct military response, could step up efforts to arm regional proxies including Hezbollah, or would consider other diplomatic protests in response to Saturday’s airstrikes.
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> His remarks came amid a debate in Iran on whether the Israeli attack, more limited than some had predicted, warrants a military response and if the country will be seen as weak if it does nothing.
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> The US has said it is concerned that the cycle of tit-for-tat strikes between the Middle East’s largest military powers could lead to a full-scale regional war.
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> Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said on Sunday in his first response to the attack that the “evil committed by the Zionist regime two nights ago should neither be downplayed nor exaggerated”.
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> Khamenei said Iran’s power should be demonstrated to Israel, adding: “It is up to the authorities to determine how to convey the power and will of the Iranian people to the Israeli regime and to take actions that serve the interests of this nation and country.”
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> His remarks suggest there is no immediate military response planned, as Iran weighs its options.
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> Shortly after the attack, Tehran played it down, saying it had caused limited damage, and Joe Biden [called for a halt to escalation](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/26/joe-biden-says-he-hopes-latest-israeli-strike-on-iran-will-end-escalation).
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> Iran’s foreign minister, Abbas Araghchi, condemned the attacks, which Israel launched in retaliation for a barrage of ballistic missiles fired by Iran this month, and called for the UN security council to convene on Monday.
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> “The Israeli regime’s actions constitute a grave threat to international peace and security and further destabilise an already fragile region,” Araqchi said in a letter to the 15-member council on Saturday.
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> “The Islamic Republic of Iran, in alignment with the principles enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations and under international law, reserves its inherent right to legal and legitimate response to these criminal attacks at the appropriate time,” he wrote.
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> The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, said in a speech on Sunday: “The air force attacked throughout Iran. We hit hard Iran’s defence capabilities and its ability to produce missiles that are aimed at us. The attack in Iran was precise and powerful, and it achieved all its objectives.”
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> According to anonymous officials [quoted in the New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/26/world/middleeast/israel-air-defenses-iran-energy-sites.html), Israel’s attack destroyed air defence systems set up to protect several critical oil and petrochemical refineries and a large gasfield. According to the report, the air defences attacked included those around the Bandar Imam Khomeini petrochemical complex and the neighbouring port of Bandar Imam Khomeini.
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> Earlier, Pezeshkian had limited his remarks to mourning the loss of four Iranian soldiers killed in the Israeli attack. In a statement, he added: “Enemies of Iran should know these brave people are standing fearlessly in defence of their land and will respond to any stupidity with tact and intelligence.”
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> Javad Zarif, a former foreign minister and current strategic adviser to the government, also made no direct threat of retaliation, saying instead in a lengthy statement: “The west should move away from its outdated and dangerous paradigm. It must condemn Israel’s recent acts of aggression and join Iran in efforts to end the apartheid, genocide and violence in Palestine and Gaza, and in Lebanon. Recognising Iran’s confident resolve for peace is essential; this unique opportunity should not be missed.”
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> Iran’s mission to the UN in New York, often used as a means of communicating media messages to the west, accused the US of being complicit in the attack since Israeli warplanes attacked Iran from Iraqi airspace. “Iraqi airspace is under the occupation, command and control of the US military. Conclusion: the US complicity in this crime is certain,” it said.
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> The mission has written to the UN security council to accuse Israel of a breach of Iranian sovereignty.
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> Araghchi said: “It seems that the truth has been completely proven that without America, Israel does not necessarily have any power in the region, not only in the operation it has done against Iran, but all the operations it has done in Gaza, Lebanon and other places, we believe America has been complicit in all these cases.”
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> He highlighted the reaction of the countries in the region to the Israeli attack. “Since yesterday [Saturday] until now, we are regularly receiving messages from different countries, the statements they issued, the level of condemnation from different countries both in the region. It is really remarkable that it took place at this international level.”
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> Iran has to weigh the likely diplomatic damage to its improving relations with its Arab partners of mounting a further attack, the impact on its ailing economy, and the likelihood that a further Israeli strike would cause considerably more damage than Friday’s softening-up exercise.
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> Public support for Iran’s costly foreign policy is fragile, the latest polling conducted by the Middle East Institute shows.
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