🪳🪲🦟🐜 Space bugs 🐜🦟🪲🪳
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Posted by invicta047@reddit | greentext | View on Reddit | 148 comments
Jaded-Armpit@reddit
Soooo... uh... who would win a fight? Which species survives out of the 3?
Old-Signature-1998@reddit
Hive Mind doesn't mean being smarter. Hive mind just means that a lot of things are thinking the same thing.
AestheticMirror@reddit
So Twitter?
LemonFlavoredMelon@reddit
ADHD = Hivemind
Confirmed!
Varixx95__@reddit
Also smarter not necessarily means less primitive. We had to evolve so we can survive because we are not natural predators. Humans to be menacing need well protected settlements weapons and armor but if you are the apex predator in your world but you don’t need weapons why would you even bother develop them
Scary_Cup6322@reddit
Hyper competition amongst packs/trines of your own species? Since apex predators are by their very nature carnivores, their food source would be much more limited than that of humans.
Given pack behaviour and too large population size, selective pressures favouring intelligence could arise.
Sure, their intelligence might not be needed for the creation of weapons, but strategy and later on animal husbandry could give more intelligent individuals a significant advantage, and eventually even lead to the rise of sapience.
Then again, this is all speculative, and individual intelligence as most likely in this scenario isn't really what we were talking about to begin with.
HansChrst1@reddit
It all depends on what a species want. If eating and killing/hunting is what you like then technology to make that better is what is invented. Animal husbandry and farming is great for a species that don't want to work to hard for their food to get time to enjoy other stuff.
Varixx95__@reddit
Yeah. For a specie that it’s literally called predator I think they would do strategy to predate better but if your victim has no chance to escape then you are not prosecuting none
cell689@reddit
They're called Xenomorphs, and they're extremely terrific hunters that wiped out entire planets. Their specs seem to be working.
The predators (or yautja) are humanoid and extremely intelligent aliens.
hoopsmagoop@reddit
Also im gonna add they never called themselves predators they were given that title
cell689@reddit
Do individual ants experience evolutionary pressure to become more intelligent than other ants?
Xenomorphs are sapient.
Roaksan@reddit
Hivemind that eventually/accidentally fractures trying to evolve resulting in numerous "cultures" which are just genetic/intelligence drifts sounds like a clever idea actually
The_kind_potato@reddit
Well, technically, if im not mistaking, its pretty much what happened on earth, like there was only big predators made to hunt big prey, but when smaller/smarter predators able to work as a group emerged, the big predators pretty much all disapeared because of how much efficient those new hunters were.
Darklicorice@reddit
did we miss the hivemind part?
Scary_Cup6322@reddit
I did mention that my point with the individual intelligence had nothing to do with hive minds.
How a sapient hive mind would evolve in nature i have no idea, especially since the examples given rely on some manner of psychic connections.
herpitusderpitus@reddit
This reminds me of the covenant how sure the grunts pr brutes arent nothing special but the prophets sortve run stuff.
EviGL@reddit
A sitcom idea: Xenormorph Hive Mind but it happened to be a dumbest booger eating kid from the hive-mind school.
geofox777@reddit
Hive mind as soon as QT3.14 comes around us
keizer01@reddit
Which just so happens to be their hunger. And oh boy, did the universe leave a lot of that sweet biomass lying around.
mostie2016@reddit
Don’t forget about reproducing to continue eating
PranshuKhandal@reddit
found my hive people
Honda_Jugg_2049@reddit
Mmm. Biomass with tzatziki sauce is my favorite.
OldManMoment@reddit
Kebab with extra biomass. Delicious.
Omnaia@reddit
gives hive mind hot dog weenies
"Hmmm."
Absolutemehguy@reddit
Gee Bill! Why does your mother let you have two wieners??
Omnaia@reddit
cuz I'm special
ConscriptReports@reddit
prime example of this being reddit
Specific-Wrongdoer-8@reddit
This and the flood from halo
Razee4@reddit
Wasn’t the flood a weapon devised by some aliens in Marathon?
SuicidalTurnip@reddit
Marathon and Halo are entirely separate.
The Flood are the remnants of the Precursors (the ancient aliens the predate the Forerunners), who turned themselves into Flood spores to get their revenge on the Forerunners for ousting them.
Razee4@reddit
You are right, although I really, really like to think that Marathon, Halo and destiny share the same universe
Panvictor@reddit
In destiny 2 you can get halo and marathon weapons through the paraverse so they kind of are connected in a way
Razee4@reddit
Yeah, if Destiny 2 would be single player it would be the best game bungie made. Without it, if you are not playing it from beginning it’s just incoherent noise, from which I can’t make out anything from.
Panvictor@reddit
As someone with an ungodly amount of hours in destiny, I dont entirely disagree.
The only thing I would truely miss would be the raids and dungeons those are great but most of the other multiplayer content is kinda meh compared to the story stuff
Frequent_Dig1934@reddit
Isn't the flood a bit different? They're more of a mutagenic virus that turns people to zombies than a full sized alien civilization. That said there is the gravemind so it's not that different.
WaveDash16@reddit
I would say the flood have more business being alongside the Zerg and Tyranids than the Xenomorph, but I admit I don’t know a lot about the latter.
Spark555@reddit
if you include black goo it fits
Frequent_Dig1934@reddit
It's been a while since i last played halo and idk much about zerg and morphs so i can't really confirm or deny. Nids are cool tho.
SuicidalTurnip@reddit
The flood in the games is a very limited view of the flood compared to the wider life.
'Nids are actually quite an apt comparison for them.
AlternativeEmphasis@reddit
The Flood are a biological weapon created from pissed off beings that were more advanced than the forerunners as punishment for them being dicks
The_Shower_Bagel@reddit
Going off the most recent books, they're more like the universe's digestive system 💀
ChoiceFudge3662@reddit
IIRC
The flood is like a plague that’s used by some race of aliens (I think the forerunners or maybe precursors?) to purge the universe of all life except for the stuff in this thing called the ark, after all life is gone the flood would die out because they have no food source.
It’s a play on Noah’s ark from the Bible, a big flood comes and wipes out all life except for the stuff in the ark, which is I think is genetic code of all species in the universe that can be used to essentially restart life.
I’m no halo lore master, so actual experts can correct me if I’m wrong.
LightSideoftheForce@reddit
The forerunners wanted to wipe out the precursors (for favoring humanity) and when they almost succeeded, the precursors created the flood from themselves to get revenge on the forerunners. The flood is not intended to be evolving, or sentient or anything, just an unstoppable force destroying the forerunners (and unfortunately all other life as well). The halo system wiped out all life, thus starving the flood to extinction. The ark indeed had enough survivors from all sentient species to repopulate the galaxy afterwards.
tony_lasagne@reddit
Imagine believing anything under 343 is canon
Perfect_Inevitable99@reddit
StarCraft was supposed to be a Warhammer licences game, blizzard genericised the names of units and kept the IP for themselves, true story.
protienbudspromax@reddit
Hunter hunter did it right
BooRaccoon@reddit
Don’t tell Anon that ants are real and they pretty much do this.
6gpdgeu58@reddit
They literally eat, fuck, sleep and fight, sound like Viking heaven to me.
ChoiceFudge3662@reddit
Yea, that’s how evolutions works, if you were playing a game and found a strategy that works you’re only gonna change it up if you get bored. Evolution doesnt get bored, it only cares about efficiency. “Don’t fix what isn’t broken” is such a universally true law, that even the very concept evolution follows it.
Evolution only changes when a random mutation proves to be more efficient than the already employed strategy of survival, and we all know that giant crabs are the end all be all of evolution, and bugs are only a couple steps off from crabs.
MufugginJellyfish@reddit
I think there's a misconception that evolved traits are all "intentional" and that only traits that serve a purpose and help the organism somehow will continue, when that's not the case. For example there are several species of warthog who's tusks continue to grow and curve until they cause infections or even pierce the warthog's skull and kill it. Unfortunately, most warthogs are able to reproduce before this, so there's no reason to lose the trait of ever-growing tusks despite it being unnecessary and harmful.
As long as it doesn't interfere with the reproductive cycle, all bets are off.
SoMuchEdgeImOnACliff@reddit
Yeah I wanted to caveat this. It's not about what "trait" is the best for survival, it's whatever member of the species survives, reproduces, and passes on that trait. It can happen in as little as 7 generations as proven by some Geckos off of Sanibel Island in Florida.
MystikTiger02@reddit
There’s an episode of live death and robots that has a hive in an asteroid. The people discover it and use pheromones to manipulate the bugs into providing for them and plan to research ways to make them build for the people and possibly fight. They think they are just stupid bugs but the pheromones set off alarms in the bugs genetics and a super intelligent bug is created that murders them. I explained this badly but I think it’s on Netflix. Great short please go watch it
N_ando@reddit
Don't Tyranids have guns?
estou_me_perdendo@reddit
Tyranids can morph into country sized spaceships and guns, I wouldn't call it just becoming a bigger lobster
LurksInThePines@reddit
I'd argue the "actual" Tyranids (barring the Norns) are their bioships
The smaller bio forms, from rippers to heirophant bio-tita s, are just their methods of cooking. Think about it
A couple thousand bioships roll up to a planet. Yum! They already booked their reservation via vanguard organisms, now they prepare their meal. Send mycetic spores down, render the world for a few months, mmmm smells delicious. Ah, here come the capillary towers! Dinner is served. Sip sip slurp slurp, plates cleaned. Time to take a walk til the friendgroup gets hungry again.
What's a horrifying apocalypse for a human world is just a nice trip to the restaurant for bioships.
Yeah sometimes people get shot. Or someone gets ill and dies from food poisoning (death guard) or killed by the prey, but people get fired by deer and mauled by bears when hunting too. Unfortunate but oh well.
Zesty-Lem0n@reddit
Clawitzer is still a lobster
Babki123@reddit
It's not because it'q country sized that it's not a lobster
Just a fuck huge lobster
FishCream@reddit
Leviathan Lobster God is obviously peak performance and is not to be belittled
encrustingXacro@reddit
ESLcaca spotted
Sonova_Vondruke@reddit
Nature does keep evolving things into crabs..
verhicularbraindamag@reddit
Cut the zerg some slack they did fight god to save the universe
SeiaiSin@reddit
you have seen the cruiseship from wall-e.
Terrorgod@reddit
They share a lot in common with Anon. Truly peak evolution
whiteboui@reddit
Don't the Tyranids have essentially a giant brain in space, where each neuron is a giant round Tyranid?
edoCgiB@reddit
Space bugs don't pay rent or taxes. I'd say they are smarter than us.
Rdt_will_eat_itself@reddit
could i add "the Thing" in this? i think it would fit.
thatweirdguyted@reddit
There is no evidence that the Thing is intelligent beyond survival, food, and camouflage. As an individual, it is very cunning. That's not the same as being smart enough as a species to pose a threat to the galaxy.
I know everyone thinks of the ship it came in, but why would you think that it was the pilot? It is clearly an infiltrator that preys on creatures by mimicking them. Sure, it could have crashed here for reasons unknown. But based on the events at the Antarctic base, I'd say it's much more likely to be that one of these things got on said spaceship and ate most of the crew until one of them sacrificed himself to dump the ship here on Earth back when it had no intelligent life as a means of containing the Thing
OldManMoment@reddit
In the 1982 movie it actually kept a low profile by deliberately avoiding to infect the most obvious targets, and instead opted to sow distrust and paranoia and frame others for its shenanigans, chosing to shift the blame to people without actually infecting them. And the face the Pamler-Thing made just before the blood test blew its cover just screamed "Oh well, they got me now!". No, it was definitely intelligent.
ThatFuckingGeniusKid@reddit
Doesn't it also get the mind and memories of whatever it infects? Which makes me wonder if it was already intelligent when it was created/born or it became intelligent as a byproduct of infecting people/aliens.
OldManMoment@reddit
It sure as hell still knew how to build a (presumably) working spacecraft while it was Blair, so some cells inside it still had the memories of who-/whatever had that knowledge.
Leadfarmerbeast@reddit
It’s purposely kept ambiguous (doesn’t stop people from poring over every frame because lore has to be set in stone apparently). Even the actors weren’t told in most scenes whether they were the Thing or not, which comes through in their performances.
MufugginJellyfish@reddit
It had enough sentience to understand dramatic timing lol
ThatFuckingGeniusKid@reddit
In the prequel there was supposed to be an alien that had killed itself in the alien ship, which confirms the Thing infected some alien race so it didn't get to Earth on it's own.
thatweirdguyted@reddit
Yes! Vindication!
Rdt_will_eat_itself@reddit
it was able to go from a planet, to outer space, to another planet.
it was attempting to construct a space ship? near the end.
its was cunning enough to outsmart a bunch of scientists.
but the whole building a space ship / some type of vehicle means it has intelligence.
aVarangian@reddit
rats and squirrels have also gone from one continent, to a ship, to another continent, then becoming an invasive species causing environmental problems
Otto_von_Boismarck@reddit
I don't think it was necessarily intelligent in that way it can just absorb knowledge and intelligence from other creatures it eats
Abhorsen-n-Waiting@reddit
No.
Valhallosaur@reddit
Anon thinks evolution exclusively means intelligence
Babki123@reddit
Meanwhile the correct evolution is to turn into a crab
moremysterious@reddit
Roshar Listeners rise up
Ofiotaurus@reddit
Can't wait for a Crab-like hivemind to arrive in the next big sci-fi fps.
this-my-5th-account@reddit
Tyranids.
D1RTYBACON@reddit
They don't even walk sideways
htmlcoderexe@reddit
As fake as that fake-ass bishop I saw in church once... never even moved diagonally
GamerGriffin548@reddit
That's because they've never had unspeakable things to their bums. :]
ReynAetherwindt@reddit
This would be plausible if intergalactic space was an ocean with a floor.
aVarangian@reddit
a crab-spaceship is a pressurised bathtub with a floor
Frsbtime420@reddit
The success of an organism is measured in reproductive rates, speciation, distribution, longevity…. In all those regards space bugs are king
Nottan_Asian@reddit
The Zerg Swarm is explicitly a bio-weapon engineered from a primal species. We are told like four separate times what their multiple higher purposes are.
skorgex@reddit
Hey don't forget metroids.
omega metroids were very toothy
Jugaimo@reddit
Everything evolves into crab
Magnus_Helgisson@reddit
I always had this problem with the Alien. It’s been a long while since I watched it last time, but I remember the xenomorph in the first movie not actually looking like that huge of a problem. Great movie, but the thing could be dealt with multiple times
Ardalev@reddit
Xenomorphs are nowhere near the other two, in neither function, power or purpose.
Hell, I'd argue that the same goes for Zergs as well. They aren't planet killers, their goal is evolution and adaptation.
Only the Nids fill the role of all consuming space locusts.
The-Fezatron@reddit
The Zerg are absolutely shown to be Planet Killers in both StarCraft 1 and 2, it’s like the first thing they do in the Rebel Yell Terran Campaign, and in a Heart of the Swarm cutscene we see multiple planets getting completely covered in Creep as the Zerg invade and pass through
Ardalev@reddit
They have the ability, sure. But that's not their primary objective in the same way as it is for Tyranids.
The Zerg won't seek out planets just to consume them. The Tyranids will.
InspiringMilk@reddit
After Amon's Fall
Led by their new queen Zagara, the Zerg forcibly lay claim to the systems surrounding Char.
Or something like that, I don't quite remember.
Ardalev@reddit
That's conquest. They do that. Thing is, it's implied that they are carving a place for themselves in the sector but will, at least for the time being, not seek out hostilities with the other factions and might do some empire building of their own.
The Tyranids don't do that. Any planet they come across, regardless of if there are inhabitants or not, is consumed and they then move onwards unless pushed back. They don't "build" nor do they settle.
They consume and they advance.
The_Shittiest_Meme@reddit
The Xenomorphs aren't really a hive mind super organism though, they're parasitic and adaptable, but ultimately seemingly just eusocial. Networked individuals rather than one mind with a trillion bodies.
deldr3@reddit
Big brain need big energy, this mean big hungry.
SynV92@reddit
Almost every and any good sci Fi has terrans, organic horror, and either robots/ancient race super technologically advanced
bob_loblaw-_-@reddit
Humans famously stopped growing in population once they very intelligent.
le_fancy_walrus@reddit
I guess that's why the Earth is so populated these days.
lllGrapeApelll@reddit
Rapid decline in global birth rate is a thing.
ReallyDumbRedditor@reddit
Then why is the population higher than ever before you fool.
Hackeringerinho@reddit
Births are decreasing in highly technologized countries. That's the point he's making. There was a sudden increase in population because we were used to having a lot of kids expecting some to die, but almost suddenly that wasn't the case anymore. Not to mention the more choices about life and career that we have.
Or
Human become smart, human have less babies ooga booga
lllGrapeApelll@reddit
Life must be so challenging on the uphill side of the bell curve.
seastatefive@reddit
He probably has trouble understanding "per capita" and compound interest and logistic curves.
paco-ramon@reddit
Yes, look at birth rates, South Korea population is decreasing faster than if the Black Death and Korean War hit them at the same time.
FursonallyOffended@reddit
This is under the assumption that bugs have existential crisis. So far, humans are the only species we know for sure that asks “what is the purpose of my existence?”. For all we know, literally every other being ever has never once considered this. A squirrel does not know why it lives, only that it must. The bugs represent this maxim in a macrocosm. The idea of a species that never stopped to think, and just kept doing.
It’s intriguing, and I think it’s part of the reason why we keep coming up with stuff like this in fiction.
Vilefo@reddit
I think Necro-morphs should be here. Those freaks turn into planet eating moons.
petyrlannister@reddit
I was thinking about this after Alien-Romulus. Deep Fake guy: “it’s the perfect organism, the perfect organism” Me: “Why? cause it can kill really good?
c0m1ca1@reddit
Dosent help that the helldiver bugs have almost the exact same name as the warhammer bugs
BedHeadMarker_2@reddit
Flood supremacy asserted
Kerflunklebunny@reddit
The tyranids are victims of the grim darkness too. Cursed to basically never be peaceful or content. Just hungry.
RyanSoup94@reddit
Super-intelligent for a mindless eating and breeding machine. Great metaphor for imperialistic consumerism though.
Snoo_72851@reddit
I mean, what else would they use the brainpower for? Technology? The tyranids don't need that shit. Art? Xenomorphs don't care about that. Love? The zergs all love each other. So they do kinda just use their ever expanding big brains to devise better ways to eat stuff. Bet you they evolved generations ago to make anything they eat taste like caviar and pussy, and that's all they really need.
Dog_in_human_costume@reddit
The Gordon Ramsey way.
ChadWestPaints@reddit
Tyranids definitely do have technology, it's just 100% organic. But their adaptations and evolutions and even whole new units are consciously developed by the hive mind to combat specific problems. So like after acquiring some biomass from the hostiles of a system maybe they could tinker with their acid guns to be particularly effective at melting through the specific kind of armor their enemies use, or program some flesh boring beetles to know the fastest routes to vital organs or whatever.
Wiggie49@reddit
Hive mind is a mind to uniformity, not actual intelligence.
Ug1yLurker@reddit
Klendathu should be on the list
Jack-of-Hearts-7@reddit
Top tier alien design tbh
_Pankybeast@reddit
The only good bug is a dead bug!
Rock and stone
spiritofporn@reddit
What about Edgar the Bug.
M_Salvatar@reddit
Hivemind is perhaps a misnomer, because it suggests they share a mind when they actually don't. Hive mentality is more correct, and humans have that too. We literally have a bunch of writings that tell us what's right and what's wrong (constitution), and we follow these laws in the billions. Much worse than a bunch of insects which are chemically compelled by one bigger insect.
The government doesn't need scopolamine to make you do stuff, just a bunch of fellow citizens with guns.
DEEP_SEA_MAX@reddit
Easily the most innovative country. Invents flight, harnesses the atom, lands on the moon
What did they do with all that brain power?
They mostly just kept eating stuff
Mephil_@reddit
To be fair that's mostly what humans do too.
warol2137@reddit
What can you expect from filthy xeno?
420blaZZe_it@reddit
See 4chan posts with pictures of aliens, somehow not sexual. Anyway, fuck 1, marry 2 and kill 3, thoughts?
400asa@reddit
Fuck Kerrigan, obviously.
Marry a Norn queen, somehow convincing her that your biomass is already at full efficiency and just live as a stay-at-home hubby in the Hive fleet.
Kill the xenomorphs because they are the weaker species out of the three.
295DVRKSS@reddit
i hope they make SC3
OrdinaryPenquin@reddit
most of the playerbase would just keep playing SC2 anyway
Rydagod1@reddit
I don’t think they ever will because RTS can’t really be monetized 😔
AugustusClaximus@reddit
The peak of evolution is consooooom. Were on the path
homingmissile@reddit
That's one of the most realistic aspects of them. In real life things just keep evolving into crabs.
GreenNukE@reddit
Zero and Tyranids are broadly similar. Xenomorphs are more like eusocial parasitoid wasps. While they have a clear animal cunning, they do not have a grand plan. They simply spread and reproduce.
MothWaifu1711@reddit
Xenomorphs dont have a hive mind; they exist only to propagate their species while searching for their next queen host.
gary-cuckoldman@reddit
The queen somehow communicated to the nearby xenomorphs to stand down as Riley threatened to hit more eggs with the flamethrower in Aliens tho
YersiniaPestisRedux@reddit
This really depends on the writer. In the AvP games and some comics, Xenomorphs do have a hive mind controlled by the Queen. Then multiple hive minds can occur with different Queens.
MarinLlwyd@reddit
they're so real for that
luketwo1@reddit
To be slightly fair like 6 seperate species all in completely different environments evolved into crabs so maybe the hive mind is onto something.
la_meme14@reddit
I mean, they propogate. The natural endpoint of evolution. That's their deal.
Jusaboiii@reddit
Hive mind is a singular, and if we take the nids, it's one mind playing an universal scale real-time grand strategy game with the goal of number go up (as usual), with immeasurable numbers of units that all require resource upkeep. it's doing pretty good for itself even if it never builds farms.
Laxhoop2525@reddit
If they used their brain power to advance society, they wouldn’t be enemies for our video game, anon.
DiesNahts@reddit
it works
ExtraPomelo759@reddit
For the sake of realism, they should evolve into crabs.
seberick@reddit
Crab is inevitable
cujoe88@reddit
It actually makes sense.