Tulsi for President in four years as the first qualified women President. Her sin against the Democratic Party of trying to prevent World War 3 (sure thing with Harris) would be forgiven.
Tulsi Gabbard if Trump wins (take a miracle due to abortion issue and more numerous women voters) to a high cabinet position.
Trump will at least honestly try to make Peace throughout the world as he has talked about how war is a waste of young lives.
With Harris happy with the do nothing negotiated wise for years on two wars z(Biden/Harris administration) and unable to take a hostile interview there is little to no hope for any reasonable deals anywhere.
Tulsi is nothing like what she used to be. I'm sure some Republicans like this news. But for centrists like myself it has been frustrating seeing her shifting so hard to the right and conspiracies.
She's exactly like she used to be. It's your own fault you misinterpret her and the current political cycle.
You claim to be a centrist, you're not. You're a liberal. A true centrist would acknowledge the changing political landscape and appreciate the change with association that comes with it.
So, you’re saying a leader who’s willing to speak truth to power on both sides of the aisle is a bad thing?
In other words, not having blind loyalty to one political party is a bad thing in your book?
Let’s rewind:
Her comments on Saudi Arabia were in 2018 when she was still a Democrat Congresswoman. Tulsi’s chief policy platform has always been bringing an end to regime change wars. Trump’s foreign policy ended up being a huge success but Tulsi didnt have the benefit of hindsight. And, Tulsi worked with Trump too. Tulsi was the only Democrat who accepted Trump’s invitation to join a bipartisan coalition on Islamic Terrorism during his presidency.
And if you don’t know how and why Tulsi (while a Dem Congresswoman) epically stood up to Barack Obama during his presidency AND Hillary Clinton during her presidential primary- you should look into it.
I don’t understand you think a person who supports a 2016 Sanders ticket that then supports a 2024 Trump ticket is just like she used to be? I don’t care if you support her or not despite her changes, but I don’t think it’s accurate to say she’s just how she used to be.
It’s not like Sanders’ beliefs and opinions have changed drastically since 2016.
You need to update your worldview with some perspective. You’re confusing the media saying that we were on the brink of ww3 under Trump whereas we are ACTUALLY days away from ww3 under biden with two major wars involving half a dozen countries.
How has Trump's policy on Saudi Arabia been a huge success with hindsight, specifically? Saudi's genocide in Yemen continued after 2018. Had Trump NOT vetoed a bipartisan bill for an arms embargo in 2019, the genocide could have ended then.
I'm well aware of what she did as a Democrat congresswoman. And I'm aware that she famously stepped down from her position in the DNC to endorse BERNIE SANDERS for President. That suggested that she had a certain set of values. Now endorsing Donald Trump and what he stands for 8 years later represents such a dramatic shift that one can only conclude that she's either had a lobotomy or was always a grifter.
As for her opposition to "regime change wars", it's rather convenient that this opposition apparently doesn't apply to Russia trying to literally take over Ukraine through military force. Or opposition to Israel trying to wipe out Palestine. Of course she worked with Trump on fighting Islamic terrorism, because it's pretty clear that she's very anti-muslim.
None of her supposed ideological positions can justify endorsing a candidate as corrupt as Trump. She has joined in spreading the same lies and misinformation as the rest of his supporters. She has zero credibility in my eyes and the eyes of many who used to support her.
Sanders was right about the elite, about the rich, about duplicitous entities vying for power in the shadows at the expense of the working and middle class. Then he became on of them.
Why? Because he wrote a best-selling book? Sanders was the best ticket America had in our lifetime. But right wing mainstream media portrayed him as a communist and plenty of Americans swallowed that with pleasure.
Agreed. Tulsi has been a Russian asset for almost a decade at this point. Hillary (correctly) called her out 5 years ago and this behavior is consistent with that characterization.
Don't get mad at me. Tulsi is the one supporting a candidate that tried to overthrow the last election. On the scale of horribleness, she is waaaaaaaaaay ahead of me.
Trump did not try to overthrow the 2020 election. He was officially challenging the election. There never were fake electors. And Trump never said *Fake electors.” That’s a mainstream media/Dem lie.
The morning of January 6th, even the NYT admitted both parties challenge close elections with the alternate elector process and have been since the SCOTUS Compromise of 1877. Every close presidential campaign in recent memory has been challenged as such.
By the afternoon of Jan 6th the mainstream establishment narrative on election challenging had made an about face. Personally, I was still a lefty at the time and astounded that half the country was willing to placate the liberal elite by obliging them in their mass amnesia. But fortunately for the US constitution, evidence abounds.
Dems denying Trump’s a legitimate president for 20 minutes which comes to an abrupt halt by Jan 7th) https://youtu.be/iRYB6N8fBKQ?si=lilXCZH94cgIN3_2
But if election tampering is what bothers you then you should know the original way Tulsi got on Hillary Clinton’s “bad list” is bc Tulsi whistleblew on the DNC and Clinton campaign for cheating in the 2016 Primary against Bernie Sanders. No other Dem had the spine to stand with her, not even Sanders.
Tulsi’s willingness to stand up for what’s right even it’s unpopular regardless of party is what makes her a great and rare leader. Do your research, man.
But while we’re on the subject of election integrity which you appear to care about…. are you not aware or are you unconcerned about the Dem’s 2024 election tampering antics? The Biden Camp affectively canceled the Dem Primary in every state but then pushed out Biden for Harris who hasn’t received one vote?
How do you justify that?
Are you paying attention? Or just repeating talking points?
Hillary was just pissed that Tulsi (correctly) called her out as a warmonger and destroyed the campaign of her chosen puppet for the 2020 election. Like lemmings the DNC establishment followed her lead and effectively escorted her out of the party. Everything else is just a consequence of those actions.
Well no surprise. Failed candidate tries one last shot with the GOP after a few years of cozying up to conservatives. Don't think she's relevant anymore but she can probably get a job out of it somewhere.
How and when exactly did Tulsi Gabbard ever cozy up to anyone on the right or left? I’ll wait.
In 2020 when Tulsi resigned from Congress she could have just switched parties and ran for her same Congressional seat as a Republican and she would have won. It’s unheard of for a major politician to give up power based solely on principle.
grifter? No way.
When RFK’s presidential campaign started making
unprecedented gains as an Independent candidate, he asked Tulsi Gabbard to be his VP candidate. She declined.
And to future dismantle this nutball claim that Tulsi ever cozied up to anyone on the right (or the left) I’ll remind you NeoCons on the left AND the right both participated in brutal slander campaigns against Tulsi bc she refused to bend the knee to their war machine.
It would benefit you to watch this entire video and educate yourself. But at minute marker 12:08 in the YouTube video link below Tulsi is testifying under oath how Mitt Romney baselessly slandered her accusing her of being a Russian asset. When Tulsi demanded he show evidence he had nothing.
She resigned from congress because she probably would've lost the seat considering she was focusing on a presidential campaign.
She declined to be RFK's running mate but there's like a hundred reasons to do that. Most of all that RFK's campaign was ultimately not going anywhere, and there's not that much to gain from being a VP candidate in that situation.
She's been cozying up to conservatives in recent years by adopting more of their viewpoints and rhetoric, I don't think that's particularly debatable. If you go from standing next to Sanders in 2016 to endorsing trump in 2024, you've definitely made more than a small leap. Neither the trump GOP nor the democrats have changed that much in the years between.
Isn't she a military intelligence officer? I wonder if she is deep state trying to bring down the GOP from the inside. Lots of talk about her being a presidential candidate.
She lost trust in the Democratic party (who hasn't) but instead of turning independent and fighting that way while keeping progressive ideals, she goes... to the extreme right?
Make it make sense. She sacrificed her integrity for a revenge tour.
The current GOP is not extreme. That’s a fairytale created by the left circa 2016 to distract from how far to the left the Dem Party has gone.
The GOP of Trump is further to the left than the Dem Party circa 2008 when Obama was elected. You do realize Trump’s an antiestablishment, antiwar candidate?
Trump’s top advisors for his campaign and will be presidential transition campaign if he wins are JD Vance, Elon Musk, Tulsi Gabbard, Vivek Ramaswamy, RFK, Michelle Shanahan and Calley & Casey Means.
3 of the 8 are vegans.
6 of the 8 are lifetime environmentalists.
0 are NeoCons.
7 out of 8 are former Dems.
So, I’ll ask what “progressive ideals “ has Tulsi “sacrificed?”
I'd be ok with this IF she would finally also point out what is terrible about the Republican party once she gains favor. Destroy both parties and you shall redeem yourself in the eyes of all that is holy. Otherwise I've given up on this.
She has criticized Republicans for having warmongers too. Remember Romney accused her of spewing treasonous lies? She said Nikki Haley is a figurehead of the GOP establishment
I don't believe that. She's a human like everyone else. Even terrible bigoted people are also just humans. Many are driven by fear to be bad people. Once we understand that, maybe we can change some things.
It would be one thing to tell the Democratic Establishment to "F off" but THIS is not how.
That would be like England being upset that America didn't join them in WWII fast enough so they joined the Nazis.
I had some respect for her when it seemed like she was a sane moderate, but that has to be one of the worst judgment calls I've ever made in my entire life. It's clear now that she is at best a shill, and at worst an actual enemy agent.
watching_whatever@reddit
Tulsi for President in four years as the first qualified women President. Her sin against the Democratic Party of trying to prevent World War 3 (sure thing with Harris) would be forgiven.
Tulsi Gabbard if Trump wins (take a miracle due to abortion issue and more numerous women voters) to a high cabinet position.
WestBend8786@reddit
WW3 is happening no matter who is president so long as they let Israel do anything they want (which both Trump and Harris will)
watching_whatever@reddit
Trump will at least honestly try to make Peace throughout the world as he has talked about how war is a waste of young lives.
With Harris happy with the do nothing negotiated wise for years on two wars z(Biden/Harris administration) and unable to take a hostile interview there is little to no hope for any reasonable deals anywhere.
jagfb@reddit
Tulsi is nothing like what she used to be. I'm sure some Republicans like this news. But for centrists like myself it has been frustrating seeing her shifting so hard to the right and conspiracies.
yobrotom@reddit
She's exactly like she used to be. It's your own fault you misinterpret her and the current political cycle.
You claim to be a centrist, you're not. You're a liberal. A true centrist would acknowledge the changing political landscape and appreciate the change with association that comes with it.
Remy0507@reddit
Really? Is she exactly like she was when she called Donald Trump "Saudi Arabia's bitch"?
She's a grifter and it's painfully obvious at this point.
OuTiNNYC@reddit
So, you’re saying a leader who’s willing to speak truth to power on both sides of the aisle is a bad thing?
In other words, not having blind loyalty to one political party is a bad thing in your book?
Let’s rewind:
Her comments on Saudi Arabia were in 2018 when she was still a Democrat Congresswoman. Tulsi’s chief policy platform has always been bringing an end to regime change wars. Trump’s foreign policy ended up being a huge success but Tulsi didnt have the benefit of hindsight. And, Tulsi worked with Trump too. Tulsi was the only Democrat who accepted Trump’s invitation to join a bipartisan coalition on Islamic Terrorism during his presidency.
And if you don’t know how and why Tulsi (while a Dem Congresswoman) epically stood up to Barack Obama during his presidency AND Hillary Clinton during her presidential primary- you should look into it.
SirGingerBeard@reddit
I don’t understand you think a person who supports a 2016 Sanders ticket that then supports a 2024 Trump ticket is just like she used to be? I don’t care if you support her or not despite her changes, but I don’t think it’s accurate to say she’s just how she used to be.
It’s not like Sanders’ beliefs and opinions have changed drastically since 2016.
ammybb@reddit
Yeah I'm guessing she just really likes money.
No_Competition4553@reddit
Trump’s foreign policy ended up being a huge success?
Huh? You forgot he almost started WW3 and was impeached (the first one)?
SoCalSapper@reddit
He did… when?
No_Competition4553@reddit
When some Iran general was killed and everyone was losing their minds over a world war starting from it.
When he extorted the Ukraine president to investigate his future political opponent.
SoCalSapper@reddit
‘Everyone was losing their minds’…. Nope. Just a few liberals maybe…
PlayerofVideoGames@reddit
You need to update your worldview with some perspective. You’re confusing the media saying that we were on the brink of ww3 under Trump whereas we are ACTUALLY days away from ww3 under biden with two major wars involving half a dozen countries.
No_Competition4553@reddit
Yeah, ok.
forbidden-donut@reddit
How has Trump's policy on Saudi Arabia been a huge success with hindsight, specifically? Saudi's genocide in Yemen continued after 2018. Had Trump NOT vetoed a bipartisan bill for an arms embargo in 2019, the genocide could have ended then.
Remy0507@reddit
I'm well aware of what she did as a Democrat congresswoman. And I'm aware that she famously stepped down from her position in the DNC to endorse BERNIE SANDERS for President. That suggested that she had a certain set of values. Now endorsing Donald Trump and what he stands for 8 years later represents such a dramatic shift that one can only conclude that she's either had a lobotomy or was always a grifter.
As for her opposition to "regime change wars", it's rather convenient that this opposition apparently doesn't apply to Russia trying to literally take over Ukraine through military force. Or opposition to Israel trying to wipe out Palestine. Of course she worked with Trump on fighting Islamic terrorism, because it's pretty clear that she's very anti-muslim.
None of her supposed ideological positions can justify endorsing a candidate as corrupt as Trump. She has joined in spreading the same lies and misinformation as the rest of his supporters. She has zero credibility in my eyes and the eyes of many who used to support her.
sisyphus_persists_m8@reddit
She used to align with Bernie Sanders on a lot of points
To say she is exactly like she used to be, is just effing absurd and blind to the reality
yobrotom@reddit
Sanders was right about the elite, about the rich, about duplicitous entities vying for power in the shadows at the expense of the working and middle class. Then he became on of them.
jagfb@reddit
Why? Because he wrote a best-selling book? Sanders was the best ticket America had in our lifetime. But right wing mainstream media portrayed him as a communist and plenty of Americans swallowed that with pleasure.
Top_Gun_2021@reddit
Owning three (very nice) homes puts you in the lower rungs of the elites.
At minimum he says one thing yet does another.
sisyphus_persists_m8@reddit
lol
you are about as removed from reality as one can be
I can only assume you are listening to OAN and whatever other bullshit faux newz is putting out
riftwave77@reddit
She's exactly like she used to be.
Agreed. Tulsi has been a Russian asset for almost a decade at this point. Hillary (correctly) called her out 5 years ago and this behavior is consistent with that characterization.
yobrotom@reddit
People like you are horrible.
riftwave77@reddit
Don't get mad at me. Tulsi is the one supporting a candidate that tried to overthrow the last election. On the scale of horribleness, she is waaaaaaaaaay ahead of me.
OuTiNNYC@reddit
Trump did not try to overthrow the 2020 election. He was officially challenging the election. There never were fake electors. And Trump never said *Fake electors.” That’s a mainstream media/Dem lie.
The morning of January 6th, even the NYT admitted both parties challenge close elections with the alternate elector process and have been since the SCOTUS Compromise of 1877. Every close presidential campaign in recent memory has been challenged as such.
By the afternoon of Jan 6th the mainstream establishment narrative on election challenging had made an about face. Personally, I was still a lefty at the time and astounded that half the country was willing to placate the liberal elite by obliging them in their mass amnesia. But fortunately for the US constitution, evidence abounds.
NY Times article.
Dems denying Trump’s a legitimate president for 20 minutes which comes to an abrupt halt by Jan 7th) https://youtu.be/iRYB6N8fBKQ?si=lilXCZH94cgIN3_2
But if election tampering is what bothers you then you should know the original way Tulsi got on Hillary Clinton’s “bad list” is bc Tulsi whistleblew on the DNC and Clinton campaign for cheating in the 2016 Primary against Bernie Sanders. No other Dem had the spine to stand with her, not even Sanders.
Tulsi’s willingness to stand up for what’s right even it’s unpopular regardless of party is what makes her a great and rare leader. Do your research, man.
But while we’re on the subject of election integrity which you appear to care about…. are you not aware or are you unconcerned about the Dem’s 2024 election tampering antics? The Biden Camp affectively canceled the Dem Primary in every state but then pushed out Biden for Harris who hasn’t received one vote? How do you justify that?
Are you paying attention? Or just repeating talking points?
No_Competition4553@reddit
How you go from advocating for civil rights to, woke this, woke that, anti white racism? lol
glacial_penman@reddit
It’s nice to see a little positivity regarding tulsi on the tulsi sub.
I_ATE_THE_WORM@reddit
Would the old Tulsi have supported Dick Cheney's candidate?
Sasoli7@reddit
She will probably end up being a Secretary of State.
Remy0507@reddit
Least surprising news to come out of this election so far, honestly.
riftwave77@reddit
Damn, Hilary was right. Again!
WashedMasses@reddit (OP)
Hillary was just pissed that Tulsi (correctly) called her out as a warmonger and destroyed the campaign of her chosen puppet for the 2020 election. Like lemmings the DNC establishment followed her lead and effectively escorted her out of the party. Everything else is just a consequence of those actions.
EffectiveNighta@reddit
we disagree with her rhetoric. Me, personally, cant see a democrat being that anti trans.
OuTiNNYC@reddit
Hillary was right about what? Specifically.
splintersmaster@reddit
Calling her a Russian asset. I'm not picking a side here but the Dems are alleging Russian money/influence is prevalent amongst conservatives.
The recent evidence that several conservative talking heads have been accepting Russian money backs up this claim albeit circumstantially.
psian1de@reddit
Russian sympathizers down-voting us.
splintersmaster@reddit
Whoever is down voting is being silly.
It's objectively true that Tim Poole was paid for by a Russian source. It's objectively true that Hilary called Tulsi a Russian asset.
Of course the Dems will make that connection.
I was only pointing out the answer to the person's question... I did not say it was factual or what I believed.
Apparently you can't even so much as state objective fact, without opinion, and expect discourse..
Dangledud@reddit
How does Tim pool make tulsi a Russian asset?
splintersmaster@reddit
I didn't say that.
Electronic-Loan1963@reddit
Russian sympathizers 😂😂😂🤦🏽♂️... damn that's still a thing?
AntsRidingSeaDoos@reddit
This has been proving to be true lately.
Win32error@reddit
Well no surprise. Failed candidate tries one last shot with the GOP after a few years of cozying up to conservatives. Don't think she's relevant anymore but she can probably get a job out of it somewhere.
OuTiNNYC@reddit
How and when exactly did Tulsi Gabbard ever cozy up to anyone on the right or left? I’ll wait.
In 2020 when Tulsi resigned from Congress she could have just switched parties and ran for her same Congressional seat as a Republican and she would have won. It’s unheard of for a major politician to give up power based solely on principle.
grifter? No way.
When RFK’s presidential campaign started making unprecedented gains as an Independent candidate, he asked Tulsi Gabbard to be his VP candidate. She declined.
And to future dismantle this nutball claim that Tulsi ever cozied up to anyone on the right (or the left) I’ll remind you NeoCons on the left AND the right both participated in brutal slander campaigns against Tulsi bc she refused to bend the knee to their war machine.
It would benefit you to watch this entire video and educate yourself. But at minute marker 12:08 in the YouTube video link below Tulsi is testifying under oath how Mitt Romney baselessly slandered her accusing her of being a Russian asset. When Tulsi demanded he show evidence he had nothing.
https://youtu.be/7jckFGPfqO0?si=2HHHxPgR6WGRZWiT
Hot_Introduction7167@reddit
Unprecedented gains? Really now
Win32error@reddit
She resigned from congress because she probably would've lost the seat considering she was focusing on a presidential campaign.
She declined to be RFK's running mate but there's like a hundred reasons to do that. Most of all that RFK's campaign was ultimately not going anywhere, and there's not that much to gain from being a VP candidate in that situation.
She's been cozying up to conservatives in recent years by adopting more of their viewpoints and rhetoric, I don't think that's particularly debatable. If you go from standing next to Sanders in 2016 to endorsing trump in 2024, you've definitely made more than a small leap. Neither the trump GOP nor the democrats have changed that much in the years between.
No_Competition4553@reddit
I find it funny that Tulsi demands evidence, yet she never presents any when she accusses the Dems or spying on her and all that other stuff.
Top_Gun_2021@reddit
The TSA list isnt really 'spying'.
No_Competition4553@reddit
Still waiting on her to show that boarding pass.
TorchKing101@reddit
Isn't she a military intelligence officer? I wonder if she is deep state trying to bring down the GOP from the inside. Lots of talk about her being a presidential candidate.
dillasdonuts@reddit
She lost trust in the Democratic party (who hasn't) but instead of turning independent and fighting that way while keeping progressive ideals, she goes... to the extreme right?
Make it make sense. She sacrificed her integrity for a revenge tour.
OuTiNNYC@reddit
The current GOP is not extreme. That’s a fairytale created by the left circa 2016 to distract from how far to the left the Dem Party has gone.
The GOP of Trump is further to the left than the Dem Party circa 2008 when Obama was elected. You do realize Trump’s an antiestablishment, antiwar candidate?
Trump’s top advisors for his campaign and will be presidential transition campaign if he wins are JD Vance, Elon Musk, Tulsi Gabbard, Vivek Ramaswamy, RFK, Michelle Shanahan and Calley & Casey Means.
3 of the 8 are vegans. 6 of the 8 are lifetime environmentalists. 0 are NeoCons. 7 out of 8 are former Dems.
So, I’ll ask what “progressive ideals “ has Tulsi “sacrificed?”
nutella_on_rye@reddit
Democrats shifting left? Good joke, tell another one. That’d be a dream.
No_Competition4553@reddit
Trump is antiwar but pro domestic terrorism. :)
dillasdonuts@reddit
The Dems are now center right, the GOP is now extreme right. Everything has shifted right.
sdullcy@reddit
I'd be ok with this IF she would finally also point out what is terrible about the Republican party once she gains favor. Destroy both parties and you shall redeem yourself in the eyes of all that is holy. Otherwise I've given up on this.
Miserable-Bit5939@reddit
She has criticized Republicans for having warmongers too. Remember Romney accused her of spewing treasonous lies? She said Nikki Haley is a figurehead of the GOP establishment
sdullcy@reddit
I'm just hoping there is a long game here. But also the stuff she has said about infanticide pushed me over the edge.
nevertulsi@reddit
When will yall accept she's a grifter who goes to whatever team pays her better
sdullcy@reddit
I don't believe that. She's a human like everyone else. Even terrible bigoted people are also just humans. Many are driven by fear to be bad people. Once we understand that, maybe we can change some things.
Turbulent-Sport7193@reddit
Tulsi Gabbard has achieved her final form
A Trump sycophant and MAGA sympathizer who will grift her way into power with Putin pulling the puppet strings.
YoungMelt@reddit
Haha wtf
neurotic-proxy@reddit
I’m guessing she has killed her belief in Medicare for All?
nevertulsi@reddit
I mean that should've been obvious when she didn't run on M4A in 2020
neurotic-proxy@reddit
I remember when asked about it in 2020 she was still opened to it. But now she definitely isn’t lol
BarryLicious2588@reddit
Heck yeah!!!!
While I don't care to assign to a party, she officially said "F you" to the dirty Dems
Fiery101@reddit
It would be one thing to tell the Democratic Establishment to "F off" but THIS is not how.
That would be like England being upset that America didn't join them in WWII fast enough so they joined the Nazis.
I had some respect for her when it seemed like she was a sane moderate, but that has to be one of the worst judgment calls I've ever made in my entire life. It's clear now that she is at best a shill, and at worst an actual enemy agent.
BarryLicious2588@reddit
Literally one of the most bonehead, illogical comparisons of all time. Holy shit hahahhahaha
No_Competition4553@reddit
Yeah, what a big F U to side with the worst and most corrupt President of our lifetime lol.
BarryLicious2588@reddit
Yeah, i don't know who'd wana be paired with that scumbag Biden. Even Kamala staged a coup to remove him!
No_Competition4553@reddit
Scumbag? What is Trump then?
BarryLicious2588@reddit
Your daddy
Zazierx@reddit
Thought she already was at this point lol
Npl1jwh@reddit
And the Grift continues…
Nightshade7168@reddit
About damn time.