The new Holy Trinity is going in the wrong direction

Posted by VitoXzX@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 31 comments

Contrary to most opinions in this sub, I really enjoy hypercars, even knowing that I probably won’t ever see any of them in the wild or be able to buy one. They all showcase amazing engineering and a lot of interesting innovations (usually). Unfortunately, we can’t see that in the W1 and this new F80, because they are going in the wrong direction.

We all know which direction those cars should be following. Look at the Bugatti Tourbillon with the new V16 engine—how could you not get excited about that? And what about the Koenigsegg CC850, with both manual and automatic transmission, the GMA T.50 with a 12,100 RPM redline, and the Pagani Utopia bringing back manual transmissions and having a much cleaner design. That’s clearly the direction the Holy Trinity should be following, and we can see there’s still space for true innovation.

I saw a lot of people pissed off with the “Zora guys” here, but they have a point. Let’s be honest: a car with a huge amount of power is the “new normal,” so using that as a mark of innovation isn’t as cool as it used to be. And honestly, no one should have to fight to convince me that a multimillion-dollar car is cool—come on.

And for those who keep saying they don’t care about hypercars because “I wOn’T eVeR oWn OnE,” I won’t ever own an F-22 Raptor either, but it’s still awesome, and I love learning about it.

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RoyShavRick@reddit

How are the F80 and the W1 not innovative? One of them literally has a Le Mans powerplant in it. And the W1 has that insane rear wing. I just don't get what you are really talking about. Each car has a cool innovation in their own way, let's just appreciate it instead of all hypercars being the same back to basics thing.

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ReaperThugX@reddit

They’re definitely innovative, but is that what customers and enthusiasts really want? Seems like these F1 team halo cars are bringing in the F1 tech (smaller, high output, turbo engines, significant electric/hybrid power). McLaren is smart enough not to drop down to a V6. Mercedes and Ferrari have gone head first into making a street version of their race cars. Curious to see what Porsche does with the 918 successor.

I think it’s interesting the F1 manufacturers (Ferrari, Mercedes, McLaren, Aston Martin, Red Bull) have gone down two paths. Ferrari, Mercedes and McLaren are showcasing the modern F1 powertrain tech in their road cars while Aston Martin and Red Bull are building cars that evoke F1 cars of yesteryear with high revving, NA V10s and V12s

At least Ferrari is back to naming the car properly…

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hermitcraftfan135@reddit

All of car Reddit is just so annoyingly cynical recently it’s so dumb

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fourunderthebridge@reddit

Exactly, if anything these two cars don't use their power figures as headline features. Their chassis technologies are easily just as innovative. McLaren took a lot of their F1 chassis knowledge and put it in the W1, and the Ferrari is literally the first hypercar with true active suspension. If you've seen the Williams FW15 active suspension video, then you know how cool it is that a supercar uses it for practically the same function (controlling ride height to maximize aero performance)

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superchibisan2@reddit

This guy doesn't like electrification. He likes more cylinders because more.

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Limejuice99@reddit

Different purpose bro. P1, 918 and Ferrari the Ferrari are the intro of a new tech for the supercar line-up. Hence, the timeless designs.

If my hunch is right and Porsche ditched the Mission X's all electric nonsense for a 919 Evo-esque powertrain, then the new trinity will be like "Okay we've mastered the hybrid tech, now we're weaponising the MFs. Now go kill some tires and laptimes."

hi_im_bored13@reddit

Manufacturers realized hypercars don’t need to compete because their customer base can just buy all of them

Independent-Win-4187@reddit

What customer base. The top 0.000001% of society?

I only care for cars remotely affordable to me lol

799 buyers out of 8 billion people on earth so close enough

Lol yeah wish I was that rich. Hard to fawn over cars I will never ever afford

_Floriduh_@reddit

Ain’t that the (depressing) truth.

mr_beanoz@reddit

I mean, the previous generation of the Holy Trinity (918, P1, Laferrari) has embraced the hybrid technology, so I feel like this is a natural evolution.

DrTommyNotMD@reddit

There is nothing more aggressively anti-innovation than putting manuals in modern cars. It may be fun or engaging or require a lot of engineering to make to work at that power, but it’s objectively not a performance option.

DJMagicHandz@reddit

Who's going to knock off the P1, 918 Spyder, and LaFerrari?

Mojave_Idiot@reddit

What do you mean? This car along with all the other recent 3 mil plus offerings out are quicker than those three I’m sure.

Those 3 are the fleshed out versions of peak hybrid high performance...

They aren’t the peak anymore. OGs sure, but there’s been iterations in this realm. Several.

chris8535@reddit

These cars will be mounted on walls as art.

This is art. Period. Same a an A Lange Grand Complication.

You are looking at it as a competitive product you’d buy in a grocery store. It’s not.

It’s genuinely difficult for me to look at cars like the utopia and the tourbillon and then the F80, particularly the interiors, and be like yeah, these are the same.

I think the feeling that you’re getting of posters doing spec sheet comparisons here probably stems from that.

Could be just Ferrari hate on my behalf as well, but if I were in the market to collect these things I wouldn’t go for the one that looks like you pry it out of a glossy cardboard box.

I mean if you’ve driven a Bugatti it’s a beautiful car that drives like shit. And a Ferrari is a less beautiful car that drives better. So yes one is more like art than the other.

Fair enough. Can’t say I have.

This jet sentiment that keeps popping up amuses me. Even my trailer trash ass has seat time in an F-16, got an ILS logged in one too, but I doubt I’ll ever touch an F80 let alone see one with my own two eyes.

That said I agree with your sentiment wholly. A fast or powerful car just doesn’t really cut it. Gimme some blown downforce or a crazy engine configuration or something.

Mortytowngang@reddit

I mean you took certain steps to increase your likelihood like enlisting in the air force - I’m sure becoming an Air Force pilot is much harder than timing a flight to certain events in CA or FL to go see this this car.

I’ll agree with that. The Amelia Island show in NW Florida is outstanding. Got to see a Ford GT prototype there as well as have its handler, dunno what else to call that guy, explain all the weird ass quirks it has being a prototype.

Still, though, it amuses me that the conversation goes straight to the raptor for comparisons sake. You’re much more likely to run into a Raptor driver in PCB Florida during the off season than you are an F80 owner anywhere. It’s the more obtainable experience of the two, honestly.

stinx2001@reddit

Did you mean to type this into r/carscirclejerk ?

EmergencyRace7158@reddit

Wrong. The new holy trinity is the GMA T50, the Pagani Utopia and the Bugatti Tourbillion. Those manufacturers truly seem to get what makes cars special in an era where performance has been commoditized by <100k EVs and everything is filled with touchscreens everywhere. They've re focused performance cars on what really matters about driving - driver engagement, analog controls and timeless design. They're like beautiful Swiss watches vs the Apple Watch like Ferrari and McLaren cars. Those are techfest science experiments designed to maximize performance over everything else.

243898990@reddit

Definitely not the holy trinity

AnonymousEngineer_@reddit

I saw a lot of people pissed off with the “Zora guys” here, but they have a point.

They really don't. It's just the latest iteration of the Nissan GTR folks and then followed up by Tesla people who were spamming "but my Nissan/Tesla is faster down the drag strip" ad nauseam when those cars were initially launched.

Yes, the Zora is probably going to be insanely fast for its price point. But that doesn't make any other car worse, and there are other motivations that drive people to choose specific cars that others aren't interested in. Variety is the spice of life, after all.

AltruisticProposal31@reddit

No, the Holy Trinity is brown diesel wagon. It’s three different entities in one car.