The Hypercar War Is On — Meet the All-New Ferrari F80

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avboden@reddit

Only a 2kwh battery, means it likely wont last a whole lap of a longer track even with regen. Hence this system

Ferrari has also introduced what it calls Boost Optimization, which allows the F80 to learn the layout of a track to work out where the most beneficial place to deploy the electrical power would be, which then happens automatically.

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It doesn’t matter that it actually does, just that it can. That’s what the engineers are paid to do with a halo car. What the customers do is their own prerogative. Seems wasteful to us, because it is, but that’s the speculative investment economy we’ve unfortunately been born into.

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avboden@reddit

duh, but the discussion at hand is that it likely can't actually do a full lap at full power

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mk10k@reddit

Most likely it actually can given modern day technology

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sonofsochi@reddit

It’s always hilarious to me when they start mentioning tracks and racing, as if the most spirited driving this vehicle will see won’t be a few bends in Monaco. Hopefully some super rich oil baron takes it out in the arabian desert and pushes it a little but this will never see a track again after testing lmao

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Averylarrychristmas@reddit

Oh boy, another car that nobody can buy and Ferrari won’t release for testing.

Can’t wait for the Zora to come out and completely invalidate this entire segment. It’s so boring here.

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SF90Reeve@reddit

Only on cars will someone call the first Ferrari halo car in a decade boring an hour after its been released .

Yeah we get it the zora or whatever will be way better value or whatever but when has that ever been the point of hypercars .

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Multifaceted-Simp@reddit

It's $4M

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SF90Reeve@reddit

There is no difference between it being 200k or 4m for me atleast since I will never be able to afford either. It's still cool to marvel at .

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Zassolluto711@reddit

It’s funny how many times the Zora is being brought up lately. Like laptimes are the only thing that matters for the people who buys these hypercars, people who already own collections.

It’s like people are trying to imply that these rich people are idiots for buying the F80 or W1 over a Zora. Like, what?

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stav_and_nick@reddit

I understand that, and I lean more towards your side of the argument; but at that point, is this a car or a collectable?

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elementfx2000@reddit

Hypercars are collectables. Always have been.

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mynamasteph@reddit

There is far more differences than a 0-60 between cars like an unreleased zora and a hypercar. The corvette has a lot of budget constraints and cost cutting that hypercars don't have to go through. These luxuries cost exponentially more, as any value curve for any product would.

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blackashi@reddit

Lemme bridge the gap.

One "side" is complaining about the dickriding. The other side is complaining about the dickriding.

in one instance, it's dickriding a car that doesn't exist, but when it does will be 0.2% chance of ever owning one, and higher chance of seeing one being driven hard. however the ferrari is 0.0002% of ever owning one. and almost no chance of seeing one.

One side can't see why anyone would care for a car so few people will ever experience. Meanwhile, some people just like the design and engineering of it. Sometimes it's hard to see the perspective that just wants to appreciate beauty. regardless of the performance bargain or not

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OldManBearPig@reddit

If you aren't buying for performance though, then what are you buying for? Literally just the style? Just the emblem on the side?

Because if you say that, then this subreddit may as well just be r/handbags instead.

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samcuu@reddit

What "you"? Literally nobody in this comments section is ever going to own one of these.

In fact this car is already sold out before it got announced. You can ask those people.

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CouncilmanRickPrime@reddit

If buying cars is for performance, everyone who buys a Ferrari or Lamborghini is an idiot. Obviously just buy the Corvette and nothing else. Or some other V8 supercar.

Then there's no variety. How is that better?

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Fact0ry0fSadness@reddit

Cars have been like that for a long time now. Are you just now realizing this?

If you only cared about performance the only cars in the discussion would be stuff like the BAC Mono and Ariel Atom.

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OldManBearPig@reddit

They haven't always been DCT Automatics though. Which was a reason to explore options, because some did offer performance variants that others didn't.

Now, every one of these cars is just a 1000 HP DCT Auto. So what the fuck are we doing?

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cookingboy@reddit

So driving experience is only decided by manual vs. auto and lap time spec sheets?

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Fact0ry0fSadness@reddit

If raw performance is all you're concerned about DCT auto is objectively the best option, so I don't see your point here.

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chris8535@reddit

It is.

Look the most interesting segment of cars for people who actually buy and drive them is Gran Touring cars these days. But that doesn’t interest YouTube teens that post here.

For the rest yes these are Veblen goods for status. Beyond that money is better spent on experiences.

But increasingly the average person can afford less and less so the only experience left to them is the dream of a hyper car they will never drive to realize how pointless it is.

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UncleBensRacistRice@reddit

if i had the money, buying a car with an engine straight from a leman winning car would be pretty sweet.

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Sprinkler-of-salt@reddit

Sorry but these kind of cars are not being sold to people who are buying it to get a 0.8s improvement in lap time from their current “collection”. You live in a fantasy bro. There might be like 11 people on earth who fit that description. 99.x%+ of these cars are bought for the bragging rights/showmanship/ego, collectible value, or as non-currency stores of value, sort of like gold, or high-value art.

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DR_van_N0strand@reddit

Anyone who can afford this and is on a list to be approved by Ferrari to buy it can afford a fleet of Zoras too.

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-WhoLetTheDogsOut@reddit

It’s always been the point of supercars that we aspire to own or even experience one. GM brought us an actual bona fide ICE supercar that’s actually reachable for the masses. And now they’re pulling out trims that may squarely exceed the performance of the elitist supercar brands.

At this point, unless you’re worth 9 figures, you almost need mental gymnastics to NOT be on team Corvette

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John_Sux@reddit

At this point, unless you’re worth 9 figures, you almost need mental gymnastics to NOT be on team Corvette

I think you could just be non American

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blackashi@reddit

idkkk, there's TONS of overseas support for corvettes, and a bunch of local-homegrown german brown manual wagon lovers here.

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fourunderthebridge@reddit

Yeah exactly this is what I don't get. To the majority of the world, especially outside rich countries like the US, cars like the Zora or the Porsche GT cars are practically as unattainable as the F80. So why not just admire all of them?

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AnonymousEngineer_@reddit

I don't think the Zora is going to be priced "for the masses", any more than the 911 GT3 RS.

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SF90Reeve@reddit

Again I need to point out that you can still be on "team corvette" or whatever and still be excited by the first Ferrari halo car in a decade and everything inside it .

GM does great things for enthusiasts . Kudos to them but that does not stop me from getting excited about other cars too.

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-WhoLetTheDogsOut@reddit

Fair enough, but it’s the “limited to 799 cars which were all allocated before it was even announced to the rest of us” thing that is such a turn-off. We all sort of gave them deference like maybe it’s for good reason, but the existence of the C8 just settles it - fuck Ferrari. I can appreciate the cars they make, but fuck Ferrari.

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mynamasteph@reddit

It's annoying how this sub perpetually parrots every new car that they're unimpressed and how they'll never own one, and something about ultra rich people. The point of a hypercar never was affordability and mass production.

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

I doubt it’s only on /r/cars. Ferrari for years now has been outed completely as a luxury brand that happens to sell cars to a prescribed sub subset of the population as a marketing technique.

Team Corvette genuinely cares about performance and makes cars for enthusiasts.

What this is, then, is an underdog story. Except the Corvettes only really been an underdog in terms of public opinion and has been democratizing performance generation on generation.

None of this is at all comparable to EVs doing quarter miles, as the Corvettes show up in every single performance metric.

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SF90Reeve@reddit

The argument here is not that corvettes are boring it's that the first Ferrari halo car in a decade is still exciting regardless of whatever GM cooks up with the zora or whatever.

I think most people would agree with you about corvettes being miles better value for money.

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stav_and_nick@reddit

And the question is; why is it exciting? Because some of the arguments here make me think Ferrari could sell a branded rock for $1 million and do well

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SF90Reeve@reddit

1200 hp ,300hp/litre , 1000kg of downforce at 155mph not exciting enough? Sure its not exactly value for money but there plenty to be excited about.

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

Well said. It’s prestige and exclusivity.

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

I’m not saying it is, but I am suggesting that especially in the current social climate it’s going to be exceedingly difficult for anyone to get excited about a car that might as well not even exist vice a car that just might be for sale at a dealership in your city.

There’s a very small gap between something like this and another upstarts announcement about a pending car with a design target consisting of X.

Lots of fatigue for this type of thing. Rightly so.

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Dan6erbond2@reddit

Then skip the post. Ferrari was never a cheap brand, they're not making cars for the common folk but their customers can do whatever they want.

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

Is the unfavorable reception harming you?

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SF90Reeve@reddit

Fair enough even though I don't agree you make some good points .

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returningSorcerer@reddit

the difference is both are ICE instead of tesla bros sucking off batteries

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CouncilmanRickPrime@reddit

Only on r/cars will you find nothing but comments complaining about hypercars as boring lol

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Eggith@reddit

These comments are basically just bench racers that only care about the numbers. There's a bit more to cars like this than just raw numbers.

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Averylarrychristmas@reddit

I don’t think I’ll get far discussing this with a dude who has a Ferrari reference in his username, but here we go:

What excites you about this car? You’ll never see it in real life, you’ll never drive it, and even if you could afford it they won’t let you buy it.

I mean this sincerely: what’s the point?

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SF90Reeve@reddit

What excites you about this car? You’ll never see it in real life, you’ll never drive it, and even if you could afford it they won’t let you buy it.

My Ferrari bias aside.

It excites me because it's exciting and cool?? I'll never get to fly an F22 raptor either but is still think it's fucking cool .

And for the record because of where I live I'll likely never be able to see,buy or drive a corvette ZR1 either but i still think it's fucking cool too .

If I limited myself to only getting excited by cars I could afford there would be an extremely limited pool available . So why should I limit the amount of cars I'm excited by . Its not like getting excited by a Ferrari means I won't be excited at seeing a civic type r on the street.

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

I mean there’s over 250 f-22 pilots and they make new ones every year.

An 18 year old kid going to the USAFA or 22 year old getting a commission, doing well in UPT and then climbing into an F-22 is way more obtainable and self deterministic than being able to own one of these F80s.

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-WhoLetTheDogsOut@reddit

And an F-22 isn’t unobtainable as a marketing technique - there is good reason the masses aren’t flying them (or any aircraft). This is entirely apples and oranges even in principle.

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

Point being that it’s a more likely scenario for most. Doesn’t really help to compare it to the F-22, let alone any other tac air jet, when more people operate them regularly than examples of these cars will even exist.

Not a good comparison.

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SF90Reeve@reddit

Well I'm not a US citizen so none of that matters lol but yeah like you said that not really related to the point .

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Averylarrychristmas@reddit

I understand your point completely, and I think it makes sense.

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SF90Reeve@reddit

Thanks . Always nice to have a civil discussion and I can understand your view point too .

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fourunderthebridge@reddit

I genuinely can't see how the Zora can go toe to toe or even get close to this. Maybe in the straight line, but not handling-wise. The ZR1 is already 400 pounds heavier than this (both dry weight) and that's without the hybrid system which in the E-Ray adds 250 pounds. That's before we get to the aero and chassis. I highly doubt the Zora will have this level of downforce nor the 48V active suspension to help control the weight. If it keeps the fixed wing that would hurt it's straightline performance as well. Remember, the ZR1 that did the top speed run was the low downforce variant without the fixed wing. The F80 might not be beautiful to look at, but it's genuinely a very impressive piece of engineering.

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UncleBensRacistRice@reddit

i really hope the zora goes all out in the aero department rather than just adding power. id want to see a corvette pass a gt3rs on the straights like the porsche was standing still, while also matching or beating it in corner speed too

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megacookie@reddit

One would certainly hope that a 1064hp ZR1 or 1200+hp Zora would easily pass a 520hp GT3RS in a straight line. That's like being excited that a Mustang GT can out drag a Miata or BRZ. A Mustang is also faster around most tracks but that doesn't mean it fulfills the same goals of a lightweight sports car.

Aero can only do so much when it's got to fight the inertia of so much added mass. And there's only so much downforce you can crank out of a car that wasn't built from the ground up to feature insane ground effects. A Zora or ZR1 may be stupid fast around a track but they're not going to outhandle something 1000lb lighter with similar downforce figures.

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Averylarrychristmas@reddit

I understand all of these points, but here’s the issue: the Ferrari halo cars are essentially only interesting for academic purposes.

Here’s the comparison: on one side you’ve got the Zora, a car you can buy that’s 9/10ths of the F80, and on the other side you’ve got a car you will never see in real life, let alone drive, let alone be allowed to purchase even IF you had the money.

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gIOonNii@reddit

So what, a Zora and a ZR1 for what matters are only interesting for academic purposes to most people too. Like, I'll never be able to afford a 200k or more car and even when those get to low prices the maintenance will still be expensive and you would only get those as toys, which isn't exactly a thing everyone can do.

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fourunderthebridge@reddit

That's a fair point, but we need to keep in mind that at this level, it really is diminishing returns. Consider the fact that Ferrari chose to develop their own motors for this, ones that can spin up to 30000RPM. They might be able to source a YASA motor like they did in the SF90, but they chose to sink considerable amounts of resources to chase presumably small gains. Another example of this is the suspension, which seems like they used the same kind of additive 3D printing somewhat similar to the Czinger 21C, just to save 5 kilograms. What GM is doing with the C8s in terms of pushing value for money is incredible, and Ferrari probably makes a lot of money off these cars, but pushing the envelope like this does need a lot of resources. That's why I like to appreciate these things as engineering achievements more than "just" a really fast car.

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DanielG165@reddit

Yep. At this level of performance, you’re splitting hairs. The F80 may be 2 seconds a lap faster than a Zora on track, but you’re still dealing with a Corvette that is probably 300K, being in conversation of performance with a halo several million dollar Ferrari, will fit your golf clubs in the rear trunk, and you can take the roof off.

That’s a massive win for America’s sports car, regardless of armchair analyzing.

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jrileyy229@reddit

What are you expecting Zora to be? It's likely just going to be the zr1 with the e-ray system... It'll be faster on the drag strip but likely be slower on track than the zr1 because of the extra 300lb of weight.

The zr1 is the segment disruptor... Hopefully they build them in real volume like the z06. Assuming it starts at 150k and fully optioned is 180k... That's pretty incredible.

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Mortytowngang@reddit

Cuz when the Ferrari Enzo and every other flagship car came out, I’m sure the streets were crawling with them and coolness was a factor of if we can buy it.

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DanielG165@reddit

Mmm… I personally love seeing what manufacturers can do at their very best, and can appreciate the level of engineering, tech, and performance on display, despite me possibly never being able to afford the wheels from one of these cars. I love cars and everything about them, so this stuff is never, “boring” to me. The day that happens is the day my interest in cars wanes, which I hope is never.

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

I love this future. Just undermine every Italian and German thing for less than the price of a 3br2ba in a mid size city.

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Multifaceted-Simp@reddit

4 million dollars lol

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Deflated_Hive@reddit

Is it really on like it was back in the 2010's?

I feel like every hypercar is the same. Each time they design one, there's a backlog of 10 other designs that didn't make it. And they're all just generic. The next hypercar just takes from those stack of sketches.

With consumer-grade electric cars going 0-60 in 2-3 seconds and the death of manuals, nothing makes me double-take and salivate anymore. Maybe just new concept car interiors and excellent resto-mods at this point.

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blueingreen85@reddit

Hypercars feel like a solved problem now.

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CrumpledForeskin@reddit

Damn. What a shame.

Maybe time to go back to analog. Fun motor and a 5/6 speed manual transmission. See who can make the best 75k version

I dream.

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cards1201@reddit

Lotus did this with the Emira :D

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ThatOneBitch02@reddit

And once they cancel that car, Lotus is dead (atleast to me) unfortunately.

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Deflated_Hive@reddit

That's the best description I've ever heard for them.

Now it's about how to extract more money from the rich with more limited editions now that manufacturers know their customers have +1-million to spend on one.

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cookingboy@reddit

In this article it says the McLaren W1 is competition to this car.

I’m not even sure about that, I think a large group of the buyers will be getting both anyway. I heard it’s the same small group of buyers buying up all of these hyper cars.

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blackashi@reddit

i wish the best for the 900 people who will ever seat in these and the 9000 who will ever see them irl.

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olmoscd@reddit

Yeah its more about making a complement to the other hypercar than making competition. Anyone who can’t afford both can’t afford either of them.

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Ksanti@reddit

I don't know about that, plenty of people will want both that doesn't mean they've been given an opportunity to buy both.

It's not about buying the $3m Ferrari it's about having spent the $10m or so previously to be asked to buy the $3m Ferrari.

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Odd-Refrigerator-425@reddit

Yea that's a good way to put it. We really are at the engineering limits

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ZWright99@reddit

I mean the gains might be small, but that's the fun thing. The limits are still some how being pushed. Some days it's aero, some it's suspension, tire tech, materials, sometimes it's just packaging.

I'd say that for the very small amount of people that will buy these, that stuff doesn't matter, and it probably matters less to the large amount of people who will never own one let alone see one on their city streets. But eventually the engineering gains found while designing such cars will bleed into other areas of engineering and those limits will get pushed even just a little bit further.

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datGTAguy@reddit

This is a huge thing about NASA. The public has criticized their funding in the past without realizing that a TON of the tech they’ve developed for their space programs has eventually bled into usage for everyday folk. Digital cameras, GPS, hell even ballpoint pens and cordless power tools can all be traced back to the space programs.

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birdy45833@reddit

Hooray Tempur-pedic bed!

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ZWright99@reddit

Right. The general public can't really appreciate the "mundane" advancements, especially when they've been around since before they were born ( the typical Bic pen was invented in 1950!)

That and a lot of the advancements are rather amorphous to anyone not actively working in a design/testing/manufacturing capacity. We all know that iron is x times stronger than wood. But what's the common persons frame of reference for that? A rod of rebar versus a similar thickness branch?

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dovahkiiiiiin@reddit

It's a luxury purchase, like a fancy watch.

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Cadet_Broomstick@reddit

Like smartphones, but ~15 years later

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Fact0ry0fSadness@reddit

A lot of people don't realize the reason 2010s era hypercars seemed "more exciting" is because you were a kid/teen back then and it was easier to excite you. And now you have nostalgia for those cars.

This might not be the case for you but I'm sure it is for a lot of people I see in here whining about how hypercars aren't exciting anymore.

I personally remember back in that era there were oldheads complaining about the Holy Trinity being hybrids and how "real" supercars died with the previous generation. And in another 10 years, when the next generation of hypercars comes out (which I'm sure will be all electric) people who are young now will lament this generation. It's a cycle.

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_The_Real_Sans_@reddit

I think it's moreso that the new holy trinity isn't doing anything super revolutionary (at least on the surface). There's still hypercars that excite most of people who are complaining about the new big 3 (or 2 of the 3 anyway). The McMurtry Speirling and RB17 are great examples of cars pushing the envelope in a way that most enthusiasts seem to find refreshing.

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megacookie@reddit

To be fair it's a lot easier to make something truly jaw dropping and insane when you can ignore any semblance of road legality as is the case with the RB17 (which doesn't actually exist yet) and McMurtry. The Tourbillon pushes the envelope in the sense that it's finally moved on from the original VW derived W16 in the Veyron, but other than that it's still very much the same kind of car Bugatti has made since forever. A top speed record chaser that's more GT than track focused.

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_The_Real_Sans_@reddit

That's fair, but I still think most enthusiasts will look up to things like the Valkyrie, T.50, and Utopia on the street legal side more than the F80. The W1 is cool, but it just comes across as an evolution of the Senna more than anything. Hell, I think I was more excited about the Senna and Daytona SP3 than I am the W1 and F80 (although that might just be because I had really high expectations for the new big 3). I do feel like Porsche will probably do something neat with their hypercar.

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Frog_Prophet@reddit

The reason 2010s era hypercars seem "more exciting" is because most people on this sub were kids or teens back then and now you have nostalgia for those cars.

No, it’s because they unlocked a new level of performance with the big three having hybrid power-trains. The problem with this thing, and any hyper car in this day and age is that it’s only ever going to be fractions of a percent better than the 2010’s cars. That’s just not exciting. When 900 hp gets us 0-60 in 2.6 seconds, 1300 hp getting us 0-60 in 2.3 seconds isn’t exciting.

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PMWaffle@reddit

That's part of it but a bigger part is market saturation. Mid-engined ferrari flagships only came once every 10 years or so, porsche's no expenses spared specials tend to be on the very bleeding edge of what's mechanically possible within modern constraints and McLaren, after proving that they can compete with ferrari and lambo on the mass market brought the p1 to the public in less than 2 years since the 12c. All of these cars pushed technological boundaries for the time and hit performance numbers that only Bugatti and lesser known/less clouted at the time koenigsegg and ssc had before but with far, far more refinement and usability (sans the veyron). The price tag was also under $1m for each, except the ferrari, which everything but the veyron and agera was at the time. Hell, people started retroactively calling groups of halo cars trinities after the 3 hybrids similar to how hypercar was retroactively applied to many cars after the veyron.

This current crop has less of an impact because a) unless it's something like the valkyrie it's not as radical as from the standard crop b) there's a lot of micro brands ins the $1m+ segment that offer more specialized, if technically less impressive, cars that cater to specific niches rather than a few that are superlative in every category and c) it just seems akin to the rise of quartz watches where quartz is functionally always better but the specialized engineering that goes into ice cars (or mechanical watches) appeals to enthusiasts and those that want to stand out.

If we look at both the f80 and w1, they have similar downforce figures to the valkyrie but they way they get there isn't as distinct or interesting and are visually far more similar to the sf90xx or lambo v12's in dimensions and shape, the power numbers are middling (crazy thing to say for 1200hp each but when they only represent a ~300 hp raise from the tier below which is identical to what the last gen did but % wise it's lower), and just don't have the same mechanical appeal the competition does even if the f80 engine is a proper race engine brought down for road use.

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karmacousteau@reddit

I also think the engineering leaps were greater back then than they are now.

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Fact0ry0fSadness@reddit

This is definitely true. We've reached a point of diminishing returns with road car performance. We've pretty much hit the limit of what's realistic and actually usable.

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RazingsIsNotHomeNow@reddit

Nah, just look at the competition within the same company. When the LaFerrari released in 2014 Ferrari's fastest car was the 458 speciale with 597 hp. The 950hp LaFerrari had 60% more hp and was clearly revolutionary with its hybrid powertrain.

The P1 was a similar story with 903hp vs 607 for the MP4-12C, a 48% increase.

The F80 has 1184hp vs the SF90's 986hp, a 20% increase. They are both 3 motor hybrids but what's worse is the F80 comes with a V6 vs the V8 in the SF90. Even then they only managed to get it to be 200lbs lighter. If the F80 wasn't limited would anyone really pay 3.5 to 6 times the price of an SF90?

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CouncilmanRickPrime@reddit

Yup these are great looking cars with unbelievable performance. Everyone is too jaded to appreciate them.

Not that we'll ever afford these cars anyway.

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Ashony@reddit

No, it’s not it, the reason why the holy trinity was way more xciting that these new hypercar is mainly because it was a revolution, the first of their kind. All hybrid approaching 1000 Hp. At the time it was new and exciting, the performances were crazy comparing to what was done. Also a rivalry between them created a lot of buzz and excitement between the competing cars.

Since then we got a lot of new hypercars or so called hypercars and the performances are nothing special comparing to normal super cars (gt2rs) or nothing new, now we have a revuelto or a SF90 that are hybrid around 1000hp. So having an hypercar with 200 more Hp being also an hybrid is nothing exciting anymore.

At least a car like the Bugatti tourbillon is special with its V16, or a car like the T.50 who is just saying fuck to numbers and focus only on the driver experience.

Even with a V6 hybrid this car is nothing special. We already have the AMG One with an F1 engine destroying lap record.

So it’s just come to the fact that these new HyperCard are just evolution of current tech instead of a revolution like the previous generation. On top of that there is a clear hypercar fatigue, now if you have a few millions to spend on a car you have like 50 différent car at that price point. Before ?? Bugatti Veyron and that’s it

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Ninesixx@reddit

Nailed it. Music is the same way, we love songs from our teenage to mid/20s, after that everything gets worse.

Boomers loved their muscle cars, millennials loved our JDM legends from the 90s, which is why they're so damn expensive to buy nowadays, people are old enough to afford it now. Next gen will complain about how classic Teslas are the best in 10 years or something goofy like that 😆

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Teledildonic@reddit

I disagree with the music comparison. Music is still accessible.

Super/hypercars in the past felt more attainable? Whether they actually were or not, it felt like you could start a career and one day afford one. Now as jaded adults the upward mobility feels much harder, and the cars seem more expensive, more exclusive. Every other announcement seems to also say it's already sold out. "Check out our new car you can't buy if this is the first yo saw of it".

It was easy to dream of anything being possible and buying a Lamborghini at 15. At 35 the nicest I could hope for is maybe a used entry level Porsche.

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Knopfler_PI@reddit

Exceptions to me are the T.50/T.33 and the Detomaso P72. Other than that I couldn’t care much for the recent releases.

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BeardedManatee@reddit

Right? I would go with a restored Shelby Mustang every single time.

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TappedOut182@reddit

This is exactly how I feel. In general physics dictates the general ideal shape of these cars with tweaks making them model specific. I used to be very good about knowing all the different models, now all McLarens seem similar to me, it’s another Aventador based variant three people will own.

“Normal” cars are getting more powerful and have sport models with aggressive styling, louder interiors, etc.

I give the example of comparing a 1985 Camry to a 1985 Countach. The Camry was a slow, sedate box. Now a Camry TRD has aggressive styling and performance not that far off that 1985 Countach.

There are lots of C8s running around that have that mid-engined supercar “look” so I’m less likely to do a double take.

I’m just not excited by something I’ll never see on the road or be in a position to own.

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Milkshake_revenge@reddit

Speaking of the c8, I wanna see some more affordable super cars. The zr1 is a 200 mph, 1,000 hp car and is gonna be 1/5th of the price of this new Ferrari or the new McLaren. These companies always tout heritage and driving and the soul of racing but really they’re making designer cars to be sat in a garage and driven 2,000 miles in its lifetime. Cheaper barriers of entry mean more of these cars on the track, more grand touring, and more driving for the sake of driving an amazing car. I wanna see more cars meant for people that love driving. Lotus Emira, Chevy c8, Toyota Supra. Cars like that I find way cooler than $1mil+ hypercars.

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megacookie@reddit

Fully agreed. I'm sure the ZR1 will actually end up being as expensive as most entry-level (or at least non-hypercar) Ferrari and McLaren models when all is said and done, but there's still something to be said for it to be a value proposition.

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GTOdriver04@reddit

You know what legitimately excites me? No joke.

A minivan. A hypercar that costs $20m, that they make 5 of, but can hit 300 mph, but won’t ever be driven is boring.

Nah.

Show me a minivan that can haul a family around, deal with their abuse while starting every day while getting 500k miles on stock parts. For under $45k.

Show me an interior that looks great but is easy to take care of and an exterior that looks cohesive with the car.

I don’t have, nor do I ever want kids, but seeing the latest unobtanium car that won’t ever be driven but can rewrite the laws of physics just bores me anymore.

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DrTommyNotMD@reddit

Beyond that, SUVs sell like crazy and they massively underperform where it counts when compared to minivans.

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Propoganda_bot@reddit

I have a soft spot for the Kia carnival, I don’t need one, but they’re so feature packed I’d buy one if I won enough lottery money to retire. I’d pack it with my friends and dogs for long haul road trips.

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popsicle_of_meat@reddit

I’d buy one if I won enough lottery money to retire.

This doesn't strike me as a "buy if I won lottery money" car. It's an affordable family hauler, priced lower than pretty much any other minivan.

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Propoganda_bot@reddit

The lottery part would be to spend a year on the road,fully loaded carnival isn’t the issue, but taking time off is

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redshift88@reddit

Automakers screwed up the cross-over (yeah, I know, 2008 CAFE tom-foolery). Instead of tall cars, they should have made short minivans with sliding doors.

Sliding doors folks! I'm never going back.

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popsicle_of_meat@reddit

Mazda made the 'Mazda 5'. I've seen a couple around. Either they didn't make many for the US, they didn't sell well, or both. But it's been tried and didn't take off here in the States

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Drzhivago138@reddit

Most US minivans started off around that size or a little bigger. The market coalesced around an 80" wide, 200" long rounded 2-box design for good reason.

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dreaminphp@reddit

I think if Toyota made a TRD Pro Sienna they’d unironically sell like hot cakes lol

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SpecialGuestDJ@reddit

Imagine if Toyota managed to import the GranAce, Vellfire or Alphard.

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Drzhivago138@reddit

People would rightfully complain that they're narrow and underpowered by US standards. They wouldn't be as great sellers as /r/cars likes to think.

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YEAH_TIP_ASSIST@reddit

Still say Dodge missed out by not keeping the caravan and dropping a hellcat in it.

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dreaminphp@reddit

If they made a Caravan with a hellcat in it I'd sell my current collection and just have that

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skidsareforkids@reddit

For real! My wife is toying with the idea of a minivan. The Sienna seems like the pick of the bunch, but they look so dorky. In Asia they have cool looking minivans but here we’re left hanging. A plugin hybrid with 8/10sp automatic (no cvt), a little more glass and a little less metal, some ground effects and nice wheels…

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optitmus@reddit

it bores you because you cant afford it

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Another_one37@reddit

I saw an 80s Voyager Woody on the road the other day and had to do a double/triple take.

Haven't smiled like that about seeing a car in a long while 😄

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heathaze92@reddit

My Mazda Miata MX-5 ND had a Simular Performance to the First Porsche 911 Turbo. With my AMG A-Class i was one Kick-down away from loosing my drivers licence. The Performance of the Cars are Crazy today. And every fool can Drive them. I guess that is also the reason it is Not gib anymore, because they are to Perfect.

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ghlibisk@reddit

excellent resto-mods at this point

TBH, I am thoroughly indifferent to all these million dollar restomods also. Restos from shops like Singer or Alfaholics or GTO Engineering, they are all cool but I feel like a new one comes out every week.

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popsicle_of_meat@reddit

These high-end resto-mods cost as much as hyper-cars, too. So again something the everyday regular person cannot obtain.

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Cr4zyPi3t@reddit

Yeah the AMG One was the last exciting hypercar for me…

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karmacousteau@reddit

I think classics, restomods, and unique cars like RSTi's etc are more interesting that super and hyper cars at this point.

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dwknotts@reddit

This dude gets it

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GhostriderFlyBy@reddit

I’m here for the beautifully-maintained 1988 Honda Accords at this point.

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Multifaceted-Simp@reddit

Yup, I also see so many super cars and ultra luxury cars now that my enthusiasm for new cars is non-existent.

Only the new lotus and potentially the newest Z4 have me curious.

Otherwise catch me in the early 2000s

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KingDamager@reddit

Pagani, GMA, and koennigsagg are the ones building the right cars it feels. Your mood I think is why people love the restomods. But also why car journalist salivate over things like the 911 s/t

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Ru4pigsizedelephants@reddit

Let me introduce you to the T50 from Gordon Murray.

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m_i_t_t@reddit

I don’t care

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HillPhartman89@reddit

Ugly

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CubanLinxRae@reddit

I love how people are complaining about price and availability of a top end Ferrari and comparing it to a Chevy as if F40, F50, and Enzo were ever attainable

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Pr1zzm@reddit

I'm gonna call this car the "Fadey" and nobody can stop me.

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TheVengeful148320@reddit

So last time we had the Porsche 918, McLaren P1, and Ferrari LaFerrari. This time it's the Aston Martin Valkyrie, McLaren W1, and Ferrari F80? Yes?

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Western_Coast3369@reddit

it really cool car but it look like a blocks

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MarcusSurealius@reddit

They really should have incorporated the style from their LMP car.

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LheelaSP@reddit

Why does it have a mustache

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Formber@reddit

Looks like the bug deflector I had on my 2000 F-150.

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Good-Promotion-8909@reddit

Italian

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tinyman392@reddit

Excuse me, it’s spelled unibrow.

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DanielG165@reddit

365 homage.

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SenhorSus@reddit

Because 🤌🏼🤌🏼

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Badj83@reddit

The fact that more than 800 people are lining up to buy a $4M car is really depressing from my perspective.

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hmkr@reddit

😴

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PanadaTM@reddit

Oh my God. It looks like a modern interpretation of a 80's group c car. People will cry about this new Ferrari design direction but this retrofuture design language is exactly what Ferrari needed imo.

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Witherino@reddit

Personally, feel like Pagani's method of retrofuture design is much more appealing. This car just looks muddled in a similar way to the W1

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hiderich@reddit

Pagani looks bland and suppressed. This Ferrari looks like a proper successor to an 80s supercar.

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Witherino@reddit

I've heard many complaints about Pagani. Bland is definitely a first

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hiderich@reddit

In comparison to the F80, Cinque and Huayra, the latest Utopia looks restrained. I dunno the new Ferrari has better presence imo

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Witherino@reddit

I think their base models are more refined than they are restrained, but if it's aggressiveness you want, they have that too. Custom requests like the Zonda MY and Oliver Evo, all the R/Revolucion variants, and the Imola are a few

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Nicktyelor@reddit

Paganis have always struck me as cars designed by a master then someone with an eye patch looking through a toilet paper tube comes along and fills in all the details. They have so many small disjointed pieces that just don't work cohesively - weird trim pieces, finicky shapes and profiles of cutouts, overworked lights and mirrors. Like I appreciate them as engineering masterpieces and they have a certain steampunk-y charm, but they feel flawed by design.

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Witherino@reddit

Do you feel the same about the Zonda F in particular? I think it's Pagani's best looking car, and it's rather timeless

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Nicktyelor@reddit

No, the Zonda is by far my favorite. I think the Huayra began their weirdness spiral, and the Utopia is the apex of that trend (I realize now I'm critiquing a car maker with really only 3 unique models lol).

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earlyiteration@reddit

You couldn’t be more wrong lol

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Nicktyelor@reddit

Sorry for the wrongthink lol

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deepsighsx@reddit

You can see what the W1 aero is doing . This Ferrari reminds of the Dino a bit.

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PanadaTM@reddit

I like the Utopia as well, but very much a different take on it. That feels much more 50's and 60's inspired. The Utopia feels like it was inspired by the art deco era to me.

I wouldn't call the F80 muddled, the shape was clearly largely inspired by the 80's wedge shape. Feels like a new, younger era of car designers at Ferrari have taken over. The square sides and rear are really nice

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mynamasteph@reddit

It's a good design, but that black bar in the front like the 12cilindri absolutely ruins the front end, and I'm sure a color matched wrap would make either look much better. They're a downgrade in design compared to the laferrari and 812, for focusing so hard on making that out of place, black bar part of their design identity.

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johnknockout@reddit

I think it’s gorgeous, but I’m also in the middle of playing Cyberpunk 2077, so I can see why I’m a little biased right now.

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sklaeza@reddit

Check out the Ferrari KC23. That’s what should’ve been in 2077.

Looks way better than this car too lol.

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UncleBensRacistRice@reddit

80's group c car

Yeah thats why i think its cool. I never cared much about the LaF; its definitely beautiful and has a great sound track, but it is very much a road car. The f80 looks like a group c car, a true successor to the enzo and f40

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Odd-Refrigerator-425@reddit

exactly what Ferrari needed imo.

You say that like they've been having issues moving cars

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PanadaTM@reddit

They'll never have issues moving cars. But their designs from the past decade were becoming samey. The F8 just looked like an uglier 458. So I think they needed to completely change their designs.

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Bamres@reddit

I actually like the design a lot, I'm curious why they would give it such a similar face to the 12Cilindri though.

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VladimirSteel@reddit

This is exactly what I thought when I saw it. I wouldn't call it pretty, but it's an interesting design to me. Looks low and wide like something like a Diablo or xj220 did. Definitely not generic to me

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ExcellentSinger2288@reddit

This design is ugly.

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EngagedGroomsPodcast@reddit

This car is kinda like the 2nd gen NSX if Honda hadn't just given up on it at launch - TT V6, 3 electric motors, torque vectoring in the front. Too bad we never got to see that car sorted out.

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Keltoigael@reddit

How is it a war when only 1% can even drive or buy one of these lol.

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Dan_TheGreat@reddit

Porsche have the completion to the trinity somewhere?

Last hyper car I was excited for was the jesko, just because koenigsegg is cool as shit. Wish they had something out to box with. Even though they sell like 10’s of cars per production run so I guess it’s not apples to apples.

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ApexDog@reddit

The front headlights and that black rectangle connecting them kinda remind me of a 300ZX

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-WhoLetTheDogsOut@reddit

“All 799 have already been allocated to customers, many of whom will have bought other Ferraris to be considered officially worthy of purchasing this one.”

How are we expected to continuously be excited about a company making multi-million dollar cars for an exclusive club of people?

Wake me up when the Zora is revealed.

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CouncilmanRickPrime@reddit

As if you were buying this car if it was open to everyone lol

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-WhoLetTheDogsOut@reddit

Bruh you don’t know me

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CouncilmanRickPrime@reddit

Ok you and everyone complaining are gonna buy Ferraris when they're available to the general public. Sweet.

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RoyShavRick@reddit

Just like when you got excited about them as a kid. You love cars, just cuz you love cars.

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Motohvayshun@reddit

It’s why Jay Leno refuses to own a Ferrari.

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MDA123@reddit

IDK, everyone seemed excited about the Bugatti Tourbillon when it was released, and none of us will ever touch one of those either. There are tons of things I can't afford that I nonetheless admire and like to learn about.

Being an enthusiast for something (whether it's cars, watches, fashion, architecture...) almost invariably means spending disproportionate time discussing/thinking about things you can't afford because they are the pinnacle of the market, and only a handful of people can afford things at that level.

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SenhorSus@reddit

Just by appreciating the object.

If your pockets are deep enough then getting one second hand is an option. Guaranteed most will do less than a couple hundred miles a year anyway

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T-Baaller@reddit

2nd hand?

Buying one of these things done in some other rich a-hole's spec, probably doing a few highway pulls and farted in before it was properly broken in, left to sit in his collection until he wanted to sell it for a profit, is not something I'd consider if I was also a rich a-hole.

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SenhorSus@reddit

To each their own. If the spec passes the "yeah, I'd own that" check then I'm good.

Also idk if you knew this but if you fart in it, it cancels out the previous farts and it's now yours.

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-WhoLetTheDogsOut@reddit

Good point, like the abundance of Enzos and LaFerraris in the used market, selling for anywhere near MSRP.

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vishysuave@reddit

This can’t be emphasized enough.

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DonGibon87@reddit

Be more like Enzo and cars about the racing team than the road cars

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SF90Reeve@reddit

Ferrari are never going to make a "affordable" car so not sure what you expected here . And this isn't even a regular Ferrari it's their first Halo car in a decade .

It's like not getting excited by the Holy trinity because a Viper ACR can run them close for 1/10 the price .

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swampfox94@reddit

Don’t worry dealers won’t let you get near the Zora either lol

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

To act like these are at all comparable, gm dealer shenanigans and whatever Ferrari does, is laughable.

I’m sure there will be some insane markups in some markets.

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-WhoLetTheDogsOut@reddit

Have you seen indications it’ll be a limited run? I got my E-Ray as a first time Chevrolet customer, and paid MSRP. Corvettes are for the masses, I’ll be disappointed (and surprised) if Zora is only for the select few.

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PeterFechter@reddit

Not even a V12.

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bonerJR@reddit

Neat something none of us poors could ever buy. great.

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bonerJR@reddit

Looks wonderful though

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radiantskie@reddit

Mediocre design, it isn't bad but not interesting either, just a generic modern hypercar

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MelodicInsight@reddit

I honestly have a hard time distinguishing between this sub and r/carscirclejerk anymore.

Come to read thread about new Ferrari, leave because it's hijacked by "coRvEtTE zOrA WIlL RulE AlL".

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KazJunShipper@reddit

lmao 🤣🤣🤣

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

It’s the context. When the car in question here maybe exceeds the performance of the ZR1 by what could only be described as marginally, costs 20 times as much, is already allocated to their preselected market, and might as well never see the light of day, yeah. People are gonna talk about the zOrA instead.

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fourunderthebridge@reddit

I've mentioned this in another reply, do you think the Zora would exist without the 918 showing how to do the hybrid supercar? We should celebrate these kinds of halo cars because it shows people like GM what's possible. If the C9 comes with active suspension, you might wanna thank this car for being the first supercar to implement it.

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

Just to be clear, you’re asking if GM, responsible for both the EV1 and MagneRide would have considered these things if they didn’t simply see another company do it first?

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fourunderthebridge@reddit

I'm asking if post-2008 GM would see the business case of being the first manufacturer to release a hybrid supercar without knowing how the market reacts to it. And Magneride is adaptive suspension, it controls the suspension stiffness. It cannot actively control ride height like this, or Porsche's active ride can.

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

Since GM doesn’t make their money off of cologne and handbags, no, they wouldn’t release a 4 million dollar car.

Are you seriously explaining MagneRide to me? Do you not understand the implication that if GM was an early innovator in this field, with their exact implementation being utilized widely in the high end market, that they’ve probably been developing something in this regard for a long time now?

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fourunderthebridge@reddit

And that's why these million dollar "rolling labs" are good. Ferrari can afford to do that and popularize it within the high end supercar industry, and once the tech matures, GM can have a go, and look at how well that went for GM. As for Magneride, please correct me, but isnt it a magnetorheological system? Electromagnetic fluids alter the suspension stiffness? How is this the same as the Multimatic 48V system in the F80, which uses electric motors to actually push corners of the cars up to negate roll? Here's a good article explaining the Purosangue's system which I presume is used in the F80. It explains the difference between it and Magneride

https://www.motortrend.com/features/ferrari-purosangue-luxury-suv-active-suspension-explained-how-it-works/

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

I assumed we were beyond discussing the differences between adaptive and active to be honest.

The Purosangue is a a half million dollar car, a mass market crossover in Ferrari terms and probably second in revenue to only their souvenirs.

The 4,000,000 price tag on the F80 is largely exclusivity.

That the system, developed by not Ferrari, first shows up fully fledged hardy and hale in their own version of the Cayenne, Urus, etc, doesn’t do a lot to demonstrate the value of the F80 as a test bed in that regard.

Don’t get me wrong I’m sure there’s some innovation. But the performance margins have shrunk dramatically, even as they maintain their obnoxious business model.

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fourunderthebridge@reddit

I think it does demonstrate it, since the intention is different from the Purosangue. The Purosangue's system is primarily meant to reduce roll, while the F80's system has another important function, to maintain optimal ride height at any given situation so that the underbody aero can work at its best. That makes a huge difference when designing the control system since underbody aero certainlt isn't a major consideration in the Purosangue. Don't forget while Multimatic made the hardware, Ferrari did all of the controls necessary to make it work. It is indeed a lot of money for small performance margins, but when you get to this level, how big of a margin do you expect?

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MelodicInsight@reddit

Don't worry GM will do it for 1/4 of the price when they do!!

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John_Sux@reddit

The logical conclusion here is that a German invented the car.

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

We’re doing reductionism. Great.

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John_Sux@reddit

That's the problem with the C8 Stans. All they care about is the top speed and price tag. You can't have an argument with these people about any of the other aspects which they don't value.

It would be extremely cathartic for the Zora to be a half-baked disappointment.

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MelodicInsight@reddit

Bro don't you get it GM is gonna let any average Joe walk in with their wife's boyfriend's checkbook and buy a zr1/Zora.

Also if this exact car was made with a Dodge/Alfa badge it'd be the worst thing in existence and no one would ever consider a Stellantis vehicle

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MelodicInsight@reddit

Talk about the Zora in a Zora thread, we are here for the Ferrari. People like different things regardless of respective performance differences

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

Clearly the people have chosen what they wish to talk about.

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KazJunShipper@reddit

Neat I can't wait to see the Zora lap it.

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Kilo_Oscar_@reddit

When corvettes have over 1000hp from factory a Ferrari with less than 1200 doesn’t seem that special.

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99hotdogs@reddit

Wake me up when I can afford a hypercar. Until then, these are snoozefest announcements.

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NuclearWasteland@reddit

Me over here with my F150 like a boss

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SeljD_SLO@reddit

They should just create modern version of F40 and nobody would complain

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ExtruDR@reddit

Supercars and even sports cars are sexy as hell and fun to look at and talk about, etc. but I can’t help but be really, really disinterested in this.

I mean, this, along with ridiculously overpriced watches, limited edition sneakers, etc. are so incredibly masturbatory (in the same sense as obsessing over some model) that it is all just ridiculous.

Maybe if you are into the engineering, there might be something to it, but in reality when all the money in the world is available to design and produce a multi-million dollar hypercar, is there really any challenge? You are just tying to make the sexiest looking and sounding thing possible… which is just fashion at this point.

Delivering an accessible product to market that advances performance, quality, reliability, value, looks… whatever, is MUCH more impressive than this stuff.

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fourunderthebridge@reddit

There definitely is a challenge, even if you have a ton of money. These guys are pushing boundaries, using all sorts of new tech for the first time. Do you think GM would make the E-Ray or the Zora if the holy trinity didn't prove the hybrid supercar formula worked ?

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ExtruDR@reddit

I agree with your points. It's just a bit of a "yawn" for me...

I mean, I love beautiful things, and just admiring them is it's own end, but just like the building that is photographed with the perfect lighting, lens before people move in and with the urban clutter photoshopped out it might as well be a computer rendering or a

In my opinion, GM is doing it right with the Corvette. Yes, they are riding on the back of the Mid-Engines supercars of the 50 years before them, but they are providing a mass-market "supercar" that is relatively affordable for retired boomers to buy.

Practically no one is going to drive any version of the Corvette anywhere near it's limits, but they will see serious mileage, below-freezing temperatures, decidedly "normal" service cycles and an expectation of somewhat normal service and maintenance costs.

These are all huge achievements in my book and way more "laudable" than some $1,000,000+ supercar that Ferarri or Austin make 50 copies of for perto/nepo-babies to keep in their air conditioned garages.

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

GM was an early market leader in EVs. Bad take.

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Cholosexual-@reddit

It’s so sad how boring hypercars have become. I’m infinitely more hyped for Toyotas possible Miata competitor

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When_hop@reddit

Snore

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ClearVictory16@reddit

Looks like a Honda Civic Type R in red

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NIRDSS@reddit

V6 is such a bad decision

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DanielG165@reddit

Not when it’s a two time Le Mans winning one.

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NIRDSS@reddit

Sorry but who cares? From the V12 in LaF to this is just sad to see for me wish it was at least a V8

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SF90Reeve@reddit

The V6 in the 296 sounds better than their turbo V8s imo .

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NIRDSS@reddit

I see what you mean. But what I said is not really about the sound but how the car world is “evolving” into a different direction with smaller engines. 10-20 Years ago Ferrari’s flagship model wouldn’t have any engine smaller than a V8 now its a V6 and it will definitely be smaller or go full electric in the future. I wish they would have hold out for a bit longer also with this car at least to slow down what is inevitable

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Fact0ry0fSadness@reddit

And in the 1920s you had cars running around with 15 liter straight 8s making 130hp.

The industry has always been moving towards smaller engines that make more power.

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DanielG165@reddit

I mean, this V6 produces 900hp on its own. Regardless of downsizing, this engine is a monster, with the only potential downside being the soundtrack, but with the 296 sounding as good as it does, I’m pretty confident. Plus, every Halo Ferrari has gone off what the tech in F1 and Motorsport has been at the time, and V6 engines are the thing right now. Also, Ferrari have to abide by regulations; there’s no getting around it.

But ultimately, a Ferrari that still has an ICE, making a grand total of 1184 hp, and can rev to 9200rpm, is still pretty damn good, regardless of the cylinder count.

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NIRDSS@reddit

You are right about that

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UncleBensRacistRice@reddit

Sorry but who cares?

I think people who enjoy racing will care that their car has an engine from a race car ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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NIRDSS@reddit

Read my other comment. Im not saying its a bad engine Im saying its sad to go from a V12 to a V6 in the span of 10 years

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UncleBensRacistRice@reddit

Im saying its sad to go from a V12 to a V6 in the span of 10 years

i guess, but the ferrari flagship never needed to have a v12, it just needed a flagship engine.

the 250gto had the 250 colombo v12 - a racing engine

The 288gto and f40 used a TT 2.9 v8 designed for group b racing - a racing engine

the f50 had a v12 block from an f1 car - a racing engine

the enzo was the testbed for what would become their flagship v12 - the f140, which was later used in a bunch of lesser models and eventually carried over to the LaF. Great engine for sure, but it was a road car engine first and foremost, and as good as it is its a 2 decade old design.

now the F80 returns to form and uses the F163 - a racing engine

I think they made the right decision, using a flagship racing engine in their new flagship car

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Odd-Refrigerator-425@reddit

All 799 have already been allocated to customers

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NIRDSS@reddit

Doesnt mean I cant admire it or tell my opinions about it

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Seven7mk@reddit

Unholy trinity

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F1T_13@reddit

What Hypercar war.. The Valkyrie killed it and even besides that, there's a lot of saturation and diminishing returns out there now and performance can be had for a fraction of the cost, all of this is great but now there's so much competition and saturation out there. This car just doesn't stand out that much anymore, besides the Ferrari badge. Lovely car and all, it's a Ferrari, I am sure it'll be great, but let's not start overselling it like: "The Hypercar War Is On".. like how.. in what possible way can it be on right now, it's a hypercar in a sea of hypercars and that's all.

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DangerousAd1731@reddit

Neat. If it can haul the kids and get groceries then that's all I'm worried about.

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Rattle_Can@reddit

some of the head/tailight design cues remind me of the camaro

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orhantemerrut@reddit

Here is the more newsworthy item: that Ferrari brought back physical buttons in the steering wheel.

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ZoteTheMitey@reddit

I hate that everything has paddles now.

Just give the option for a stick at least =[

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Mrr_Bond@reddit

Maybe it's just rose-tinted glasses but it really does.feel like Hypercars were perfected with the Holy Trinity because this and the W1 just don't hit nearly the same. Maybe the Porsche will stand out more.

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F1_Geek@reddit

Dang, that looks mad aggressive.

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JAndroo@reddit

I appreciate the brutal look of it. Harkens back to the no-nonsense, stripped back F40, which was a direct contrast to the competing Porsche 959 that came out around the same time, which was an advanced engineering marvel, a computer on wheels. This car being very much performance driven and drive experience focused in the same way the F40 was to contrast the 959 explains the brutal look. The fact that this also has the same celebration of Ferrari's anniversary at 80 years the same way the F40 did, really shows that this design language is really meant to be a tribute to the F40. Not as elegant as some may have hoped but I can see the reason behind why it looks this way.

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UltimateGourgandine@reddit

Aaaand it’s a 3.0L V6. I’ll miss the naturally aspirated 4.7L V12 more than ever. This is where the industry goes now. I won’t follow and stick to the old ones.

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Appropriate_Usual_13@reddit

Make uni eye brow cool again!

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DanielG165@reddit

It’s kind of nuts though how the ZR1 has a much higher top end than two halo hyper cars from Ferrari and McLaren, respectively. Aero differences and what not, but that’s still unbelievable to me that there is now a production Corvette with that level of performance, and lap times haven’t even been revealed yet.

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fourunderthebridge@reddit

I'm pretty sure Ferrari and McLaren deliberately chose to not chase top speed. Hell, the Enzo has the same top speed as the F80, and that came out 20 years ago. The McLaren F1 actually has higher top speed than all of them, including the ZR1. If Ferrari/McLaren want to, I'm sure they can create cars with much higher top speeds than 217mph. They just don't see the point since most supercar manufacturers stopped chasing top speed more than a decade ago.

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DanielG165@reddit

Yeah, the LaFerrari can reach 231 mph, for instance. I was just saying how crazy it is that a Corvette is within that range now, something that I would’ve never thought possible 5 years ago.

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fourunderthebridge@reddit

Oh yeah that is nuts indeed. Although I really want to see GM actually build a hypercar. I want to see what they can really do, and I suspect "scaling up" what they can do now with the Corvettes to actual hypercar levels won't be as easy as people here think. You can look at the GTD as a prime example. The Mustang is a value champ, and yet the Multimatic-built ultimate version with bespoke racing components might not beat the Porsche GT cars, which are now in the same price range.

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Motohvayshun@reddit

It’s much, much harder to build a mass produced car than a limited run car.

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fourunderthebridge@reddit

Yes, but that's because of slim margins and having to appeal to a broader consumer base. When it comes to pure, cutting edge performance, I think pushing boundaries like this is easily as hard as making a "mass produced" supercar (e.g, ZR1, 911) simply because you don't necessarily know what works, and it's not like these hypercars aren't constrained by tons of regulations. The AMG One took so long to develop because of having to comply with changing EU emission laws.

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DanielG165@reddit

Who knows, maybe we’ll one day see a bespoke Corvette hyper car that is an out-in-out F80 fighter. Maybe that’s what the Zora will be!

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AnonymousEngineer_@reddit

If Ferrari/McLaren want to, I'm sure they can create cars with much higher top speeds than 217mph.

This isn't even hypothetical from McLaren's perspective given the Speedtail exists.

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John_Sux@reddit

Does the situation change if you look at the ZR1 more holistically? Rather than from the usual "top speed and value for money" angle only.

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DanielG165@reddit

Perhaps it does. That’d be an interesting topic or conversation to have.

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RoyShavRick@reddit

Love the Testarossa vibes on this. 80's supercars just were so distinct. Maybe not as beautiful as the 60s or as contemporary as the 2000s supercars, but just super distinctive and memorable.

Really awesome job on the design. While the Laferrari looks more beautiful to me, this is doing its retrofuturistic job super well.

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Conspicuous_Ruse@reddit

I like the way it looks.

A V6 though eh? A car this aggressive should have that brutal V12 wail to go with it, like a caged beast.

My interest has waned.

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Spike_Spiegel@reddit

War?

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youra6@reddit

Even if we disregard that front end, the angles on this thing just looks too sharp, looks like a literal matchbox.

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DrWatson90@reddit

You know, my wife and I were just talking how we have 3.25 mil just sitting there and really wanted to treat ourselves to a fun car. I think this might be a contender

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Frodobagggyballs@reddit

Uggggly

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DanielG165@reddit

I think Jack Rix from Top Gear perfectly summed up this car’s design: race-bred brutalism. It’s designed to absolutely bully the air around it.

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Finessence@reddit

Outside of the comically out of place black stripe across the front and the absurd decision to put a V6 in a hyper car when you have an engine with double the cylinders in production currently, I think this is a really cool design and a cool car. I’m excited to see it on the road.

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CompetitionFalse3620@reddit

I'm 48 I remember a time when a car came out and it was revolutionary now company's like Mclaren produce a hypercar ery year and it almost goes unnoticed. The Sabre, Speedtail, Sp3 are a few examples of cars that aren't talked about.

I wish companies would go back to producing light weight sports cars. I recently drove a Mclaren GT. Great car but you are either driving it like a Honda or its trying to kill you.

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lgnsqr@reddit

Soon to be hidden away in the garages of billionaires everywhere.

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dzielny_tabalug@reddit

Monobrew ferrari hypercar, why?

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Hot_Whereas7861@reddit

nice camaro bro

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Total-Deal-2883@reddit

Of all the cars, this is one of them. Yikes.

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dimebag2011@reddit

Looks ugly to me, like a GTA car almost

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AggravatingZone991@reddit

GTA V looking ass car

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rhunter99@reddit

Neat.

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mowleyyy@reddit

A lot of people seem to hate the design. I think it looks pretty good, it's got that Le Mans Hypercar boxyniss to it

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tubbyttub9@reddit

I prefer the Purosangue.

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ResIpsaBroquitur@reddit

Big deal, BMW came out with an F80 a decade ago.

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wimpires@reddit

Unsurprisingly looks like the 12Cilindri

So 3.0L V6, same as 296 presumably. The 499P I think has a racing derivative of it. The 296 Challenge is 65HP I think, 900HP from this is insane and I don't understand how.

Plus 300HP MGU-K front motor. But through 2.4kWh (800V?) battery. So it only has approx 30s of output at full power until it's depleted. I guess the vast bulk of 900HP you don't use can regenerate it (like the SF90 and 296) plus regen so that makes sense I guess. It's a track hypercar afterall, 30s is about the same as F1. This obviously slower round a lap but its probably just about right for most tracks 1.lap deployment.

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DanielG165@reddit

One thing I appreciate about this is how Ferrari finally put physical BUTTONS back on the steering will here. I’ve heard only nothing but negative things about the capacitive shit in the other models, so it’s nice to see that this’ll have tactility again for the 70 year old billionaires. Hopefully though, such will trickle down through the line up over time.

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