AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D AM4 Processor Hits End-of-Life
Posted by uria046@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 206 comments
Posted by uria046@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 206 comments
PolarizingKabal@reddit
Kicking myself for not picking this up sooner.
Prices are creaping up and it's becoming hard to find.
What would be a reasonable price to pay for one and is it worth upgrading a 3700x at this point, or would it be better to just hold out?
Spatulaalegs@reddit
it seems 5800x3d is gonna be out of stock by the time I'll be able to afford it what's my next step for the AM4 platform? I don't see myself upgrading past AM4 within the next few years
Saisinko@reddit
Happy with am4 and going to hold out till am6. Also won’t buy anything that isn’t an X3D at this point
Stingray88@reddit
Same here. I bought into AM4 with X570/3900X in 2019. Upgraded to the 5800X3D in 2022, and for the game I play (production sims/MMOs) I’m completely sold on X3D or equivalent from here on out. Definitely don’t see the need to upgrade to AM5, gonna wait for AM6.
Swatieson@reddit
I just got the last brand new 5800x3d from a store to DOWNGRADE from a 5950X.
The difference in smoothness is remarkable. I upgraded my server with the 5950X so well...
SlimChocolate1988@reddit
How do you think the 5800X3D will pair with a 6700xt
Iambeejsmit@reddit
Excellently
Ohyton@reddit
Ah dann I am on a 5900x and kept wondering if I should down/side grade, but since I mostly play games nowadays it would probably be a good choice
PepponeCorleone@reddit
I just bought a 5800x3D to "upgrade" my 5900x. Unfortunately had to rely on used ones, since they are not anymore available on retailers.
LemonSlowRoyal@reddit
I can't believe they're all sold out now but I guess it really is that good of a processor. I'm having no issues with my 5900x at least but that would've been my last "upgrade" for AM4.
PepponeCorleone@reddit
Unfortunately i got issues with my 5900x. The 5900x had difficulties to keep fps constant, and they were a lot of microlags. Now they are gone. Maybe it was a faulty 5900x one. The 1% fps lows are definetly better now
LemonSlowRoyal@reddit
It's a good CPU but it's still far from the best. I bought one hoping I could stream on Twitch with x264 as my encoder but it didn't work out. Still an above average CPU but not anything crazy.
CuriousMost9971@reddit
I did the same thing. Use my 5950x for digitizing my blue ray library now, its a champ for that. All other uses the 5800x3d i have now just butter smooth.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
The 7600X is basically the same performance as the 5800x3D. X3D isn't magic its just more cache, buy whatever is the best performing chip you can afford don't buy because of its name, else AMD will start slapping the name on everything to fool the dumbasses that buy by branding alone.
Strazdas1@reddit
Thats because DDR5 is faster and compensates for lower cache amounts.
Comprehensive_Rise32@reddit
That can't just be it, the fastest DDR5 kit is still much slower than the 5800X3D's L3 cache.
Strazdas1@reddit
Yes but its not an all or nothing proposition. Lets say you run a software that requires you to frequently hit 200 MB of data.
Lets ignore L1 and L2 for simplicity.
7600x has 32 MB of L3 cache. This means that ideally youll have 16% cache hit rate and 84% memory hit rate.
5800x3d has 96MB of L3 cache. This means that ideally youll have 48% cache hit rate and 52% memory hit rate.
So with a 5800x3D, you have almost half of the required data from super fast memory, but 52% of it is on slow DDR4. On a 7600x you have significant less of it on a super fast memory, but 84% of it, including that 52%, is on faster memory. So the overall performance may turn out to be similar assuming this is the botteneck. And how much DDR5 impacts this will depend on how large of the dataset you need to frquently hit.
Comprehensive_Rise32@reddit
Agreed, it's incredibly context dependent.
Strazdas1@reddit
Yes, but generally the larger CPU data feeding, the more DDR5 is goingg to help you here. So it does not surprise me that in some cases a much lower cache but DDR5 setups win.
17F19DM@reddit
On average maybe, but there are games like MSFS that just love the cache.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
That's like 0.1% of gamers though.
17F19DM@reddit
Well that's just the game I personally got the most value on but there are plenty more. CS2 isn't exactly a niche title and you get massive gains. Also MMOs, Paradox-games etc.
It's a lot more than "0.1% of gamers", there are very surprising titles where the X3D-cache just gets rid of stutters while you thought you were GPU-bound.
Strazdas1@reddit
Cities Skylines 2 is infact a niche title. If you meant the later released but same abbreviation Counter Strike 2 then its really not that important if you get 400 fps or 600 fps.
Party_Advice7453@reddit
Yeah my girls 7700x setup with cl30 ram definitely performs alittle better than my 5800x3d with cl13 and we are both optimized.
psydroid@reddit
X3D should be the default for AMD's retail client processors, as those are mainly being used for gaming. Other than that non-X3D CPUs should be fine for enterprise desktops.
Standard-Goose-3958@reddit
there will always be market for the new chips, for example the new gen consoles. so u don't have to worry about that.
No_Share6895@reddit
yep i'll be shocked if my 5800x3d cant hold out until first gen am6 x3d
CuriousMost9971@reddit
It's reminiscent of the old x4 955 I had. That processor carried on for a long time for me
zombiefaace@reddit
I had this same CPU, it carried me for literally 10 years until I bought the 1st gen Ryzen 1800X... I'm betting the 5800X 3D will carry me to AM6 easily, if not even slightly longer, maybe even AM7
TTVthundewondey@reddit
I own a 5 5600 and it's doing good for me tho I'm about to buy a ryzen 7 5700x3d on cyber Monday
schu2470@reddit
Built my AM4 system with a 3600 and have a 5700x3d and cooler in the mail. Gonna be set for processing power for at least the next 5 years or so.
fecland@reddit
Especially with 9000 series being so meh, I'll be doing the same. By am6 I'm sure they'll have refined 3d cache on two ccds so that'll be a nice upgrade
Crackheadthethird@reddit
I'm very interested in the 9900x3d or 9950x3d. Having more cache on all cores means that these chips shouldn't have the same issues the 7900-50x3d had while still offering solid all core perf. It's a relatively neiche market, but still interesting.
fecland@reddit
Yeah my next upgrade will definitely be something like the rumoured 9900x3d but probs on am6. Keen to see how that pans out
JoCGame2012@reddit
I wonder how non x3d 9000 would have looked like if they increased cache just a little bit over 7000, like not to the levels of x3d but at least increasing it. Shouldnt take much more power, but the performance gained should probably still be measurable
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Decreases yields dramatically though so cost of CPU would go way up.
Slyons89@reddit
Also, 16 core CCDs to look forward to.
PaulBass76@reddit
Started with a RTX 3080, 5700g (had no choice, only option at the time) upgraded to 5800x3d last May and couldn’t be happier. I see no reason to upgrade to current AM5 platform. I’m only going to buy X3D processors from here on out.
poopysprinkles@reddit
Same combo and I agree, my system still feels like it has legs, no urge to upgrade. The $170 I spent on this X570 board 5 years ago was some of the best money I've spent on hardware. Two GPUs and three CPUs later, and when I eventually throw a 50-series in it, should easily carry me another 3-5 years. Seems the end of Moore's Law has silver linings.
No-Actuator-6245@reddit
I have been very happy with AM4, I am just doubtful if my B450 board with pcie 3.0 is going to be a problem for a 5080/5090. My 5800X3D has plenty of performance but am preparing to be pushed for an upgrade. My 3080 needs retiring from my main system, it’s barely hanging on now.
No_Share6895@reddit
given the bandwidth usages of current cards and projected peformance increases it'll probably be 7090 before we see 3.0 not being enough anymore. maybe the 6090 will have a 1 or 2% performance drop it that even. 550+ users will be good until the chip is no longer usable for gaming i imagine thou
jassco2@reddit
I use a 4080S on a520 ITX with 3.0 and it's fine with no loss. A 5080 would have little to no degradation either, but a 5090 is pushing it, I'd expect that to be 5-10% loss in some games which isn't world ending. With a $2000 card you should be updating the platform.
piszczel@reddit
4000 series is fully usable on 3.0 in terms of performance, I don't see why 5000 wouldn't be. At most you'll have a 10-20% performance uplift from the new series. As long as they don't pull the pcie 8x nonsense again.
jaydizzleforshizzle@reddit
I love this mindset, I have it aswell, but it makes the more general compute chips with a few more cores and less cache, a little cheaper.
JuanElMinero@reddit
I just checked and indeed seems to be out of stock in most shops.
The 5700X3D however, is still available everywhere and gets 95% of the performance for 2/3 of the (former) 5800X3D price. Still a great option for a cheap AM4 upgrade.
Ded279@reddit
Cool, I'm currently on 3600 with a 6800XT and was looking to upgrade CPU this black friday, saw 5800X3D prices are up due to the end of life, so was considering a 5700X3D cause I don't wanna buy a new mobo and ram rn, and I always hunt for good deals and price to performance. I take it that 5700X3D will be a noticeable upgrade from 3600 worthy of the price? CPUs are the part of PC building I know the least about tbh, started with i5-4690k mostly cause reccomendations, got a 3600 cause that seemed to be the popular reasonable priced choice and everyone started going AMD for CPUs then, this time I'm trying to actually understand it a bit better. Thanks.
JuanElMinero@reddit
In non GPU-limited scenarios (4090) the 5700X3D can be up to 40-50% higher fps @1080p than the 3600. You need to adjust this a bit downwards for the 6800XT, maybe 10-15% less. Also generally more pronounced effects on 1% lows on X3D, so subjectively things will feel quite a bit smoother.
If you play anything like WoW, PoE, Tarkov, Rust, MSFS2020, Factorio, Stellaris, ACC or Star Citizen, you can add another 30-50% to that for those games and some others.
The last benefit is the X3D CPUs barely care about fast DRAM, so you can save more with cheaper sticks whenever you want an expansion.
Ded279@reddit
Thanks a lot for the detailed comment! Should be a good upgrade it's def on my black friday shopping radar. Should also be nice for the rare occasion I try things like PS3 emulation or encoding/muxing 3D blu rays to MKVs for digital storage and playback on my 3DTV (I don't do either of these nearly enough to be an influencing factor)
Strazdas1@reddit
Yeah, local stores here are delisting it now, which means they dont expect any more stock. Same for 7800x3D actually.
Lyonado@reddit
Just picked up a 5700 x 3D for $123 off of AliExpress, swapping out my 5600X and rolling with that until AM6. Seems like a no-brainer and I'd rather pick it up before they go out of stock. I'm a little late to the train but it seems like a lot more people are waking up to it
wellk_2049@reddit
Is it worth the upgrade? I'm in the same boat (5600X) and have been considering it. What uplift have you seen?
Cerebro_DOW@reddit
I will second this. I actually went from 5800X to 5700X3D and not only is the average frame rates higher but the 1% lows are dramatically improved. This alone was worth it to me. Way less stutter now.
Arome107@reddit
Thinking of doing the same as I mostly play one MMO and single player games. Do you play on 1440p or higher ?
Cerebro_DOW@reddit
Yep. I actually play at 4k (with DLSS). I have a 4090 so using DLSS at more aggressive settings like balanced and performance gives me the option to have better frame rate stability and higher averages than when I was on the 5800X.
JuanElMinero@reddit
Depends a lot on what you play. Mainstream games that are not bottlenecked by the amount of cores will see +10-15%. The benefit to 1% lows is generally more pronounced.
Complex sims, a bunch of MMOs, VR titles and other lowly threaded games that can make use of the cache can see +50% and upwards. Classic examples are WoW, PoE, Tarkov, Rust, MSFS2020, Factorio, Stellaris, ACC, Star Citizen.
(Also for /u/TheGillos)
TheGillos@reddit
Damn you foul tempter/temptress!
Lyonado@reddit
I don't have it yet, I think first and foremost if you do anything other than just strict gaming I don't think I would do it. But if you do, CPU limited games get a pretty nice boost, otherwise the main thing I'm going for is having way higher 1% lows so you don't get those nasty dips in FPS.
TheGillos@reddit
Also same boat, same curiosity.
vyral_143@reddit
Link ? Were there any coupons/discount codes ?
Lyonado@reddit
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806921974699.html
So I got this one, used one of those new user $12 off codes (which covered tax) and then paid with PayPal using klarna, which knocked another 20 bucks off.
I'm planning on selling my 5600X locally with the cooler it came with for like a hundred bucks, maybe 90, so the total net cost of the upgrades going to be 30 bucks or something.
piszczel@reddit
Is it actually that CPU or is it a fake? Have you received and tested it?
Lyonado@reddit
Shop's legit, I haven't gotten it yet but it's trustworthy.
It might take a while to get here but I trust the highly rated sellers on AliExpress a hell of a lot more than half of Amazon these days lol
Important_Cucumber@reddit
I can back it up, I bought one a month ago from SZCPU too, it's 100% legit. Undervolts nicely, too.
Lyonado@reddit
Oh, did you find undervolting it useful? I have a undervolted 3080 but didn't really think about undervolting my CPU.
Important_Cucumber@reddit
Probably runs a bit cooler. It never seems to be taxed in the games I play so I dunno if it's helping much
Lyonado@reddit
For sure, I get it, seems like a big jump from 65W TDP to 105W TDP
Important_Cucumber@reddit
I have a $17 Thermalright cooler on it, doesn't get warm gaming at 1440p
Lyonado@reddit
Hell yeah
My 280 liquid freezer 2 continues to be absolute overkill lol
Important_Cucumber@reddit
lol, it doesn't hurt anything. And not a bad idea if you actually do CPU-intensive stuff
Lyonado@reddit
Oh yeah, I'm more annoyed because it doesn't fit top mount in my case so it's front intake which isn't ideal. It's quiet as hell though and has kept my 5600X from going over like 45C for almost four years lol
RandomCheeseCake@reddit
It's real, im typing from an aliexpress purchased 5700x3d. Also lots of YT videos on the topic for Aliexpress 5700x3d's and 7500fs, 7700 etc.
half_man_half_cat@reddit
Do you think a 5700x3D would give better performance in single threaded sims! E.g iRacing? Than a 5800x non 3D?
JuanElMinero@reddit
Usually, complex sims do quite a bit better on X3D, but it's highly variable for each game. I found a review of the 5800X vs X3D specifically for iRacing.
You can compare the scenario to your own settings there, in his benchmarks the 5800X3D absolutely destroys the 5800X with a minimum of +50%.
The 5700X3D enjoys all the same cache benefits, just slightly lower clocks. It would perform very similar to the 5800X3D.
CuriousMost9971@reddit
I got the 5800x3d on its first sale price when saw when it was still top gaming cpu.
Just got a 5700x3d for my sons bday present. They are really close, close enough to notice if you measured it in benchmarks. You wouldn't notice by the eye test.
half_man_half_cat@reddit
Update gonna grab one of the AliExpress 5700x3D to give it a test :)
half_man_half_cat@reddit
Thanks so much!
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
I would have said "google it" but the results are all from years ago so useless.
half_man_half_cat@reddit
Yep that’s why I asked
No_Share6895@reddit
Probably unless that game doesnt care about cache.
Winegalon@reddit
Plus its also way easier to cool.
gnocchicotti@reddit
Yeah I was wondering how 5800X3D was so expensive and 5700X3D was so much cheaper. I guess we know why now.
JuanElMinero@reddit
From the price history I xan see for the last year, the 5800X3D has been floating around 270-300€ before getting really expensive when stock was out in September.
The 5700X3D was about 240€ a year ago and continuously dropping, now at 175€. A great time to snag one for any fence-sitters.
For comparison:
9700 is ~350€
7800X3D is ~430€
Ryzen 7700 (tray) is ~220€
Ryzen 5800X is ~145€
p4block@reddit
I got my 5700X3D 2 weeks ago for 153 euro on AliExpress. Working great.
Important_Cucumber@reddit
$135 USD for me about a month
chx_@reddit
Yeah I picked an 5700X3D this summer with a 7900 XT to play PoE in 4K and I am happy with the results.
callmestoner@reddit
Any problem with deli or wisped maps? I’m getting a lot of drops doing the blight strat with a 5600x and was looking to upgrade it.
chx_@reddit
It's well known a fully juiced map will kneel any PC. There are people complaining with 4090 setups. I said I am happy with the results not that they are perfect.
blakedmc1989@reddit
last year, i upgraded from a i7 4790k to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and tha CPU cost me $319 USD at tha time, still a massive upgrade
jigsaw1024@reddit
It's going to go down with other greats like the 2600k, and the Core2Duo.
mechkbfan@reddit
It's funny, I fundamentally agree, but in my mind the 2500k was the GOAT in bang for buck, with 2700k close second in it's capability to OC / performance.
And yeah, Core2Duo days were glorious... slap on a $30 cooler, OC it by 50% without worry. Put a bit more effort and get 70%+ So so good...
kwirky88@reddit
I won the die lottery with my 2700k and ran a 4.8ghz OC on air cooling for 4 years. Year 5 I had to reduce it to 4.2 and year 6 I finally upgraded.
goodnames679@reddit
Remember the G3258? That little 2 core beast could tear it up if you overclocked the shit out of it.
III-V@reddit
Sad that low end stuff doesn't get reviewed anymore
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
It does just not where you are looking.
III-V@reddit
Do you know where?
Kernoriordan@reddit
I made an Arma 3 budget LAN PC with one of those. Paired it with a second hand GTX 750Ti and some parts I had laying around (I.e. PSU, DDR3 RAM, spare HDD) and it was surprisingly capable for the less than £200 I spent!
taryakun@reddit
imo pentium g4560 was the real deal. The first pentium in a while with the hyper threading
ProfessionalPrincipa@reddit
Then the 14nm shortage hit and they pulled back production.
Crimveldt@reddit
I used my 2500k for 9 years. No idea how but that fucker ran at 5GHz all this time, tanking whatever I threw at it. Granted I was just playing at 1080p60 but man, it delivered. It's actually still alive and kicking as a office pc for my parents.
NeonBellyGlowngVomit@reddit
Honorable mention to the 4790k/E3-1231, I think. That chip managed to keep up, performance wise, for the next SIX generations. It still does pretty well today IMHO.
goodnames679@reddit
I was able to make a 3930k last until Zen, and it probably would have lived even longer if my PSU hadn’t killed it.
All_Work_All_Play@reddit
Same here, my 3930k was replaced by a 1700. Should probably upgrade that 1700 to a 5700X3D....
goodnames679@reddit
That thing was a fucking beast. I had a system with a 3930k and a Radeon 7970, it ran everything for an absurdly long time.
Codeine_au@reddit
Had the 2500k for so long. My path was e8500 C2D, i7 920, i5 2500k, Ryzen1600x, 3700x, 5800x3D all on the same motherboard.
mechkbfan@reddit
Yeah, it's just amazing that you could buy a 1600X with okay performance, then 5 years later, get a 5800X3D that smokes everything.
Intel had similar with LGA 775
but then the 1150 & 1151 was all a bit meh
Deckz@reddit
I had a 2600k for almost 10 years. I have a 7800x3d right now, I could see it lasting me 6-7 years which isn't too far odd.
R3xz@reddit
My 2600k is still being used as a server, it has outlasted two PSUs lol.
isotope123@reddit
The Intel stagnation really helped with chip longevity. Now that both AMD and Intel are trying to fire on all cylinders, we should see more consistent progress, meaning old CPUs will get left behind quicker. Just speculation on my part, though.
TriumphantPWN@reddit
Same, I ran an overclocked 2500k 2014-2018, got a free 2600k so i ran that till 2019. Ryzen 3600 in 2019->5800x3d 2023->Now
mechkbfan@reddit
I'd be surprised if the 7800x3d doesn't last 10. CPUs seem to have less impact on day to day use.
And more and more we're moving to 4k where games are GPU limited
Sure there's edge cases but I think the majority, 5800x3d / 7800x3d are fantastic
dollaress@reddit
The first gen i7s were great too.
i7 920 went to 4Ghz and i7 950/Xeon X56xx went to 4.5GHz easy, and it was on par with a Ryzen 5 1600 at that clock.
R3xz@reddit
I still have a Sony Vaio rocking one of the first i7s. And like /u/TheJohnnyFlash said, it runs hot. This thing saw more re-paste than any of my PC lol.
TheJohnnyFlash@reddit
It was hot af though. Sandy Bridge was the immortal version.
dollaress@reddit
The 6-cores weren't that hot, they were 32nm just like SB.
TheJohnnyFlash@reddit
It was crazy hot compared to gens there came after, Sandy, Ivy and Haswell.
Here's the OG review: 128w @ 3.4GHz vs 153w @ 2.66GHz on the 920.
dollaress@reddit
Yes, the 45nm parts were very hot. I had a Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120 back then.
III-V@reddit
Yeah, the 2500K was the star of the show. This was back when hyperthreading often didn't work well in games. It was 2/3 of the price and overclocked really well. The i7s were great for productivity, but it was quite the jump in price.
goodnames679@reddit
100%. I was starting to feel like my AM4 build was approaching end of life and, while I was sad about it, I was okay because AM4 already kicked around for a hell of a long time. Then this beast dropped, I upgraded, and I'm still fairly near the top of the performance stack over 2yrs later.
The release of this chip singlehandedly turned AM4 from "one of the better sockets to exist" to probably the best socket in history from a gamer's perspective. I don't really see a strong argument that any other could have against it.
COMPUTER1313@reddit
The only two kinds of semi-viable arguments against the AM4 I've seen:
"If you started off with the i7-6700K/7700K platform instead of the Ryzen 1600/2600, you would have enjoyed better performance upfront." (Platform pricing levels were completely different, which instead put the Ryzen 1600/2600 against the i5-6600K/7600K and lower, and those 4C/4T CPUs aged much faster)
"Outdated features. PCIe 5.0, integrated WiFi 7 and etc are absolute must." (The feature set of a ~$90 B550 Pro4 board is far better than AM5's ~$90 A620M boards. The ASRock B650M-H/M.2+ only occasionally goes on sale for $100 when it's normally prices at around $125, and that board only has 2 DIMM slots compared to the more expensive B650M boards.)
Strazdas1@reddit
PCIE5 is not a must and WIFI is not something i have any use whatsoever on a desktop so i wouldnt agree on a number 2. So far we have only one GPU that can saturate PCIE3 and if you are using it you arent staying on AM4.
VenditatioDelendaEst@reddit
3- No iGPU except for the mobile-derived parts (which perform worse).
Skrattinn@reddit
To be fair, PCIe 3.0 is starting to show its limits a bit. PS5 ports especially are starting to hammer the bus where I'll often see a 40-50% sustained load on my 3.0 system.
40% might not sound like much but that's when latency starts growing. nvidia's 4060-series only supports an 8x link so if you plug that into a 3.0 system then it compounds the issue.
Jeep-Eep@reddit
Yeah, that's my stumbling block there, it makes my upgrade paths hairy; between that and the small price differential between DDR 4 and DDR5, it makes sense to me to bite the bullet and upgrade to AM5. If my board had an PCIE 4.0 setup, I'd already have a 5800x3D and be shopping for 64 gig DDR5 kits.
porn_inspector_nr_69@reddit
I'd love to see some hard data on this. There's zero chance your statement is even remotely true.
Skrattinn@reddit
Top row, third number represents the PCIe load
3.0 = 39%
2.0 = 62%
1.0 = 83%
COMPUTER1313@reddit
I remember reading the workaround to the PCIe 3.0 limit is to use GPUs with x16 link and that have plenty of VRAM (to limit the amount of times that the GPU has to use system RAM).
...which is the exact opposite of what the newest budget GPUs have. x8/x4 links and puny VRAM, which ironically cripples older systems that would have been good pairs with those GPUs.
Skrattinn@reddit
I'm not sure that adding VRAM is even a solution. PS5 has a unified memory subsystem and only some of the data that needs PCIe transfers is going to be pure graphics data traveling from CPU > GPU.
Transferring texture data one way over PCIe might be fine but read-back data from GPU > CPU might be a different ballgame.
buddybd@reddit
R5 1600 was a downgrade in gaming performance compared to a 3770K. If price points is a consideration then compare it to that.
7700K was faster than 1800X for gaming workloads too. It was the 3000 series that should AM4 is can be a good performer in every segment.
seatux@reddit
Early AM4 kinda sucked because of the Windows 11 cutoff for 1000 series. I have seen modern enough laptops on 2000 series APU being unsupported because of this cutoff too.
Early on the X570 board life, boards kept getting needing RMAs, stability issues etc.
The sweet spot was a B450/X570 board, which was almost mid life for AM4.
unityofsaints@reddit
That's a benefit, no nagging upgrade message.
goodnames679@reddit
I guess, but only if you were concerned with Windows 11.
I’m personally riding out 10 for as long as I can, unless 12 turns out to be pretty good. I don’t care for the way that 11 rearranged things. That’s a pretty common opinion from what I can tell, and W10 still had over double the market share of W11.
It seems less like something that made early AM4 suck and more like a fairly minor footnote.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
There's basically zero difference between 10 and 11 except the start menu being in the middle which is a godsend if you have a wide monitor.
COMPUTER1313@reddit
Early Skylake also got the axe. It's insane how Windows 11 will run on Coffee Lake (which is just Skylake with extra cores and clock speed), but won't officially support Skylake/Kabylake.
seatux@reddit
Even Skylake was controversial AF, they whitelisted one Skylake CPU which was on a Surface tablet machine.
COMPUTER1313@reddit
W10 still has about 60% of the Windows users marketshare, while W11 only holds about 30%: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/10/lots-of-pcs-are-poised-to-fall-off-the-windows-10-update-cliff-one-year-from-today/
Arbitrarily cutting off older but still usable machines probably didn't help that. I remember seeing someone rage about how W11 doesn't support their "obsolete" Skylake-X system.
CuriousMost9971@reddit
X4 955. It was the champ, and no one really knew about it. It didn't get the coverage from the old tech publications.
mattbag1@reddit
Ooooh that i5 2500k was a classssic!! The 2600k came a bit later if I recall. I personally always wanted to upgrade to a 3770k but never pulled the trigger.
Ended up going from a 2500k to an amd 3800x in 2020. Crazy that it lasted that long.
Weddedtoreddit2@reddit
I don't know what CPUs were in my first 2 PCs or my laptop.
But after those it went like this:
i7-2600 -> 7700K -> 5900x -> 5800x3D -> 7700X -> 7800x3D
mattbag1@reddit
5900x to 5800x3d sounds wild, but so does 7700x to 7800x3d!
I remember back as far as our early Intel pentium and celeriac builds in the early 2000s.
My first chips were amd athlon 3700+, then an athlon x2 4400+, then quad cores came around so I had the x4 9850 and then the phenom 2s came so I got a 940. But after that I was when I went Intel with my 2500k for years.
Expecting the 7950x3d to be the last chip I buy for yeaaaars. It’s not necessarily future proof, but it’s overkill for what I need, so I’m hoping that gives it some longevity.
Weddedtoreddit2@reddit
- Yeah I had a pretty interesting upgrade from my 7700k & 1080Ti system.
I buy my parts used and the upgrade started late 2022. I got a B550-F, 5900x and 32GB of RAM all together for 510eur
Combined that with a used 3080 for 530eur and thought I was done. Selling my 7700k, 16GB RAM, mobo and 1080Ti paid for new CPU, RAM and mobo so it was a great upgrade for only 530 eur.
Then a friend wanted to upgrade his system as well. I sold him the 5900x, 32GB RAM, the 3080 and got him a B450-F mobo.
So I got myself the 5800x3D, 32GB of RGB RAM and a 3080TI which soon was changed to a 3090 that I got for way too cheap for the time.
- Oh but then a relative also wanted an upgrade soon after. So he bought my 5800x3D, B550-F mobo and RGB RAM.
And hence I went to AM5 with a B650 Livemixer, 32GB of DDR5 and a 7700x. Mobo and RAM were new from store since there were no good used B650 boards or DDR5. 7700x was also brand new sealed but from a 2nd hand seller.
This was all early 2023.
Then late 2023 I bought a 4080 after I sold the 3090 for 9 eur more than I bought it for.
Then bought a 7800x3d for 320 eur and sold the 7700x for 290 eur. Which was a damn cheap upgrade.
There were also SSD, PSU and case changes throughout and this year I also changed over to an X670E board but these matter less.
- Now, to anyone who bothered to read all that - you might think all that was a colossal waste of money. But ha-hah, it wasn't. During all this I also did a fair number of buying, selling and trading of various parts to earn profit and in general tried to be as smart with money as possible.
In conclusion, I went from a 7700k/1080Ti/16GB DDR4/1.5TB nvme system to a 7800x3D/4080/32GB DDR5/5TB nvme system(that also has a better PSU, case, cooler, fans etc etc for only.....200 eur spent.
SharkBaitDLS@reddit
I went from a Pentium D -> 3770K -> 6700K -> 5800X3D. I don't see myself needing an upgrade for a long time.
Weddedtoreddit2@reddit
I don't know what CPUs were in my first 2 PCs or my laptop.
But after those it went like this:
i7-2600 -> 7700K -> 5900x -> 5800x3D -> 7700X -> 7800x3D
ypoora1@reddit
Man, i made the WRONG choice in the 2010's.
I've gone from a non-HT Pentium 4 to an AMD FX-6200 and then 8350. I gave up on the platform and got a 4690k after, which was a huge leap. And i've been AM4 since with a 2600, 3800X and now 5800X3D all on one board!
mattbag1@reddit
Solid path!
Before the 2500k I had a bunch of AMD chips. And since the 2500k I’ve had 3800x, 5800x, and soon the 7950x3d. But with this next upgrade I am done for a very long time!
III-V@reddit
The awesomeness of C2D was significantly boosted by just how awful P4 was. That's not to say C2D wasn't incredible, but the jump was tremendous.
Also, the original Phenom being underwhelming and having the TLB bug helped C2D stay on top as well.
Terrh@reddit
Celeron 300a, q6600.
gnocchicotti@reddit
This is gonna be the longest living gaming chip since i7-2700K.
ProKn1fe@reddit
And what this "end of life" even means. Both articles have zero information on it will be end manufacture or sell. It's just not in stock on few shops.
Fuck moders news garbage.
Strazdas1@reddit
no longer in production/sale. Only 5700x3D still in production for AM4.
imaginary_num6er@reddit
Maybe this is the end of AM4
Conch-Republic@reddit
AM4 already ended.
sisiwuling@reddit
Technically, not yet. The 5700X3D is still in production and actively supported.
Until it reaches EOL, AM4 will keep receiving updates.
Conch-Republic@reddit
I mean, not technically, but unless you were doing a budget build, it'd be kind of foolish to build a new AM4 system.
Beatus_Vir@reddit
Every build should be a budget build. Whatever performance level you're trying to seek, you should try to save money. I doubt even a 4090 is significantly bottlenecked by a 5800x3d
Strazdas1@reddit
Depends entirely on games you play. I got games that will make a 7800x3D be the bottleneck for a 4070s. If you are playing the AAA blockbusters probably not. If you are into builder/sim genres then CPU is almost always the bottleneck.
chx_@reddit
I did one three months ago. Why would it be foolish? The 5700X3D is excellent price/value. To go 7800X3D you need more expensive motherboard and more expensive RAM too.
Strazdas1@reddit
Because you are stuck with DDR4 memory.
taryakun@reddit
because 7500f exists
VenditatioDelendaEst@reddit
If you're going to buy a garbage bin with no integrated graphics, might as well stick with AM4. At least then you can have more cores.
BatteryPoweredFriend@reddit
I'll believe it when we finally go an entire year without a new AM4 release.
DramaOpening@reddit
I've literally found THE LAST OF THE LAST OF THE LAST PIECE in a big chain store XD because the previous customer regretted paying 349€ LMFAO.. Feeling lucky asf
Affectionate_Crow263@reddit
Currently running a 5800x3d with an RX 7700xt. I will support amd until the end
ConsistencyWelder@reddit
The 5700X3D isn't going anywhere. And it has the performance of the 5800X3D but the price of a 5600X3D (about $200.).
So it makes sense to kill of the two CPU's that weren't offering the best price/performance ratios any more.
PepponeCorleone@reddit
It has a 10% difference. But it is totally okay, since it is probably a 5800X3D downclocked
Minute_Path9803@reddit
I got the 5800x 3D 6800 XT and don't see no reason to upgrade anytime soon.
Not worth it for complete overhaul for a tiny performance in gaming.
I want at least 50% performance upgrade on the CPU and GPU.
Until then unless something breaks I will be staying with that.
And then if I do decide to upgrade and the card is still good and my CPU I will sell it and then take the money away from the new purchase.
Mannyvoz@reddit
Same set up here. Was planning to fully upgrade but this gen got me underwhelmed. Will wait until the word “upgrade” makes sense again
SirMaster@reddit
I am sure you will be able to buy one on eBay for yearsss to come.
VenditatioDelendaEst@reddit
For a ridiculous price, sure.
SirMaster@reddit
Maybe at first. But kind of depends on supply and demand. There are a lot of people who bought 5800X3D out there, so if supply is high enough, and not that many people still holding onto AM4, it may not be that bad.
Though it is kinda the best in slot CPU other than the 5950X for other workloads. So the price may stay high.
VenditatioDelendaEst@reddit
Right, but there a lot of people who bought one, so no economy of scale for recyclers. And there's rarely an upgrade path out of it, so the only way those chips are getting separated from their motherboards is if the boards fail.
That is why it will never ever be cheap until it is long, long obsolete, especially seeing how... memetically overvalued its performance is. The i7-4790K is still over $50. The top Xeon in that socket, E3-1286v3 (+100 MHz, +ECC) costs as much as an Alder Lake i3.
fak3g0d@reddit
One of the best purchases I've made in recent times.
Not only was it fast, it provides a different type of performance that simply jacking up the clock speed or adding more cores doesn't do. The stable 1% lows and like 200% increased fps completely rejuvenated the AM4 platform. It became the outright best chip for some games, especially strategy and simulation ones.
zsaleeba@reddit
It's still very competitive with the competition, even two generations later.
Vivicloud01@reddit
I've got a 3080 12gb evga ftw3, looking to upgrade my cpu with my x570 taichi board. Should I go with the 5700X3D or 5800X3D? Currently running a 3900X.
Scooter30@reddit
I don't get why they killed this off,but the 5700X3D is still being sold.
ConsistencyWelder@reddit
They killed off the 5600X3D and 5800X3D. Which kind of makes sense, since the 5700X3D is a 5800X3D for the price of a 5600X3D.
__some__guy@reddit
Maybe they stopped producing them and only CCDs that are good enough for a 5700X3D are left?
Will_Lucky@reddit
Spent £290 two years ago hoping it’d go to AM6. I’m confident it will.
koopahermit@reddit
It probably makes sense for them to sell every 8 core v-cache chiplet as a 5700X3D instead of spending time and money binning them into 2 separate SKUs.
LasersAndRobots@reddit
I kinda regret snagging a 5700x when I did, because the X3D came out like... a month later, and I'm not going to swap out something I literally just bought.
It's fine, I don't need to be top of the line on everything and it literally doesn't seem to matter if you're content with 60fps on most everything.
Conch-Republic@reddit
And they're still like $350.
COMPUTER1313@reddit
5700X3D is where it's worth buying. I've seen some people claim getting those for about $125 off of Aliexpress or something.
__some__guy@reddit
People who built their system around that CPU are lucky.
It's probably gonna be another 5+ years until significant upgrades are available.
Mannyvoz@reddit
Mine will chug til AM6.
gnocchicotti@reddit
Mine might go to AM7
Weddedtoreddit2@reddit
Mine will go til AM19
PM_ME_YOUR_BOEING777@reddit
It is time to go.
Was I a good CPU?
No. I'm told you were the best.
K33P4D@reddit
I built my R5 5600 rig last year and I love the fact that it has 32MB L3 cache, I can easily pop in a Tier 1 GPU and maybe lose out on like 12-15% performance at 1440p, but what games are even worth the price of upgrading to play ultra high graphics, without being riddled with bugs? Not to mention my large Steam backlog with games form the previous decade lol
R5 5600 with B550 | 32GB 3600MHz DDR4 | 850 W Platinum | 1060 3GB | 2k 75Hz Monitor
I wanted a hassle free computing experience serving for a long time and I think vouching for a matured platform was the way to go? I still haven't been sold on the new 16-pin 12VHPWR connector standard.
I was contemplating upgrading to R5 7600 and read about the litany of stability issues. Platform stability seem to be improving after 3 gens or so. While most of them are fixed with BIOS updates, especially when I had built a 7700x rig few months ago and was forced to update the gigabyte BIOS to boot with EXPO RAM timings.
Let's see Zen 9 with CAMM2 DDR6 RAM and full power PCI-e 6.0, I'm hoping the consumer computing experience of the future would not be riddled with privacy backdoors and forced hardware adoptions owing to the OSes, but hey.. big tech gon' big tech?
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
If you go looking for bad reviews you will find bad reviews. Be honest with yourself dude.
dopadelic@reddit
I have a Ryzen 9 5950X and I get microstutters all the time. I haven't been able to get to the bottom of it. I changed my cooler, got my temps down to not exceed 85C full load with Prime95. I'm running 128GB ram.
hampa9@reddit
Sorry to hear that, sounds painful.
I’d start trying random stuff just to see if it makes a difference
Eg reinstall windows, try Linux, try changing the GPU to a cheap used one, same with cpu , reset all bios settings, update bios , try other ram
chabliss@reddit
check out dpc latency monitor
kiliandj@reddit
Sound like it could be a software thing as well.
SmashStrider@reddit
This CPU is undoubtly the 2500K of the 2020s.
Rye42@reddit
I just upgraded to 5700x3d this year, will check back with AM6 or whatever intel got at that time.
zoon_zoon@reddit
I misread the title as 7800x3D. I was checking prices earlier today and a new one is almost 500€.
GreatnessRD@reddit
One of my best PC purchases ever. Salute to the OG X3D CPU.
Einherjaren97@reddit
Bought my pc in 2019 before I knew much about motherboards and cpu compatability, sad to sat that my B360 is not compatible with the x3d cpus so I will have to upgrade most of my pc parts soon.
Yummier@reddit
Looks like they mean end of production, and not end of support, thankfully. Love mine, and I think it will be replaced in the future not because of aging performance but because I will want a new mobo before a new CPU.
chronocapybara@reddit
Somebody post that man saluting meme
scv_good_to_go@reddit
So glad that I bought it early last year to upgrade from the 5600X. It might've been a sidegrade at the time, but now it's shown that its worth with latest games. This will last me until AM6.
Wilfred_Wilcox@reddit
I'm not interested I have an Apple. I only buy the name brand. Ll Please stop showing up on my screen scroll. Thank you.
-Wilfred Wilcox.
Sent from my iPhone
COMPUTER1313@reddit
"Alright, that's enough AM4 sales. Please buy our Zen 5 CPUs..."
sunneyjim@reddit
Still much better than Intel's artificial limitations on LGA1151, preventing 8th gen on 100 and 200 series when it's clearly possible. AM4 lasted 4 generations.
drnick5@reddit
My current rig has a 9600k, built in late 2018. I was back and fourth between that and a 2600x.... If I had only gone AMD, I'd have been able to update the BIOS, and drop the 5800x3d in and be good for another few years at the very least. Instead I'm looking at a full rebuild....
At least this time I've learned my lesson and it will be AM5. It's too bad Zen 5 is sort of a meh upgrade over the previous gen, but I can't wait any longer lol. I'll order a 9800x3d as soon as it's announced.
Melliodass@reddit
A legendary CPU indeed! Take care!
AntiworkDPT-OCS@reddit
I'm so happy I got the 1080ti of CPUs.