windows 10 or windows 11?
Posted by alexparozi@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 101 comments
i know this question probably pops up a lot but its my first time building a pc, and idk if i should go with win10 or win11, i heard 10 will stop updating in a year and might now be worth it but i always used and loved 10 whats better in a new pc situation tho? would love some pros and cons if possible
MithridatesPoison@reddit
Windows 10 LTSC - support till 2028
Ill switch to linux before going to 11..... and I absolutely dread switching to linux... but not as much as I do Windows 11
I recently built a new computer with a 7950x & 3090 and I wanted to get the most out the hardware... so I bit the bullet and installed Windows 11.
... that lasted for about an hour. yea, F that noise.
shame.... Windows 10 was the first time I actually enjoyed using Windows since XP/2000, then they go and do this. f'ing why gd it, why!? and why tf not give us the option for the Win 10 interface at least. If it had that, I MIGHT be able to handle it.
MORNINGMAREXD@reddit
try windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC
MithridatesPoison@reddit
got the hookup on a license? any difference w/ IOT? even longer support right?
MORNINGMAREXD@reddit
priv message me ill tell you how to get a license, the difference w iot is just longer support and less bloat
ReadOk4128@reddit
this is so dramatic lol.
MithridatesPoison@reddit
lol... im frustrated.
Islaytomuch1@reddit
I'm a 10 fan, but it's getting old yellerd over the next year or 2, taken out back and shot.
Jokes aside you can get away with windows 10 but you would need to buy a good AV, and have a firewall ect, as it won't be getting security updates.
You can technically use 95, if you have the right protections.
Win 11 is just the most simple and safe option security wise.
MORNINGMAREXD@reddit
windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC is getting upgrades till 2032, has no bloat and is official from microsoft
MORNINGMAREXD@reddit
windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC is perfect, no bloat, updates till 2032, and its windows 10 (better than 11)
JustACanadianGamer@reddit
At the risk of being called names, I'm recommending Linux
alexparozi@reddit (OP)
i think linux is neat! but im a gamer and that wont really work out with most games :') im planning to use my old laptop for it!
Necessary_Isopod3503@reddit
Isnt Linux counter intuitive to anyone who's not well versed with a computer?
JustACanadianGamer@reddit
Actually no, there are versions of Linux that are very easy to use, like Linux Mint
malibouj187@reddit
Many people say they don't like the 11 but I didn't want to risk it and updated it only because I got it at a better price.
KathrynStimpsonFWiX@reddit
I'm trying something like that, who did you make the purchase with?
malibouj187@reddit
I decided on BNH software and it really was a good decision.
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ltecruz@reddit
I changed to 11 about a month ago. Took me 3-4 hours of setting up and removing stuff I didn't want there, but I'm now used to it and I kinda like some of its improved features.
Cautious_Village_823@reddit
Lol i work in IT and windows 11 I just despise. They gave us tabbed terminals, which was great, but then took away right click context menus (i know you can re-add them modifying the reg, i have already, but still, ew).
Any improvements in 11 for me immediately get cancelled by oh right theyre trying to be Apple now. It all adds up, theyre removing all the "clutter" (i.e function) from the first window or 2 you access so very very slow people wont get overwhelmed. Id almost respect it if there was a "normal windows user" mode.
One of my biggest complaints? I use right click task bar - show desktop all the time. AT LEAST they put task manager back, but yeah windows 11 is a gross attempt at apple-izing their OS and i hate it. 50 options being in a right click context menu wasnt enough, they now need to move them 2 menus down to make sure people dont get scared when they right click oh noooo.
ltecruz@reddit
The human being is, by nature, resistant to change. It's a good thing in my book if they are trying to be Apple in the sense of being more user friendly - if you want full control, shouldn't you just go with linux nowadays?
If nothing got changed we'd still be living with XP features. Time moves on, and so should we.
Cautious_Village_823@reddit
It's not about features, it's about a kind of dumb way of doing it.
I actually don't like apples methods, i think we are jamming tech down everyone's throat and Apple just helps make it an easier pill to swallow - but then people legit dont understand the most basic computing concepts - oh i click button things happen!
One of the biggest advantages (especially for work) of windows over apple was the ease of access to so many tools - moving them 2 or 3 clicks down makes it LOOK cleaner, but that's legitimately it. It makes it more annoying to get to, just looks less "scary." And yeah, i do believe if clicking a file and seeing 20 items come up in the context menu is overwhelming for you, you shouldn't be using a computer. I understand that's not how it's all working out, but it's where i stand.
I think if tech is going to be so heavily used there should be a bare minimum understanding of the basics, and apple actually helps erase that and say "hey you wont have to think or worry just leave it all to us ..."
I get what you're saying but on a fundamental level I hate Apples design and philosophy. I agree, change is always on its way. But not every change is good, tech moved very fast (arguably faster than it should, we tend to have an 'if i can i should' attitude to technology, and it's detrimental to us long term). So it's moving so fast it's undoubtedly moving sloppily and rather than waiting for people to catch up or help them get up to date, we just bandaid things and dumb them down so we can stick them everywhere we can and move on to the next step. Windows is supposed to kinda be the consumer OS between Apple and Linux, and instead they're swinging full Apple. So essentially each gen of tech the previous gen of people is dumber and less capable of using it.
One example - the number of twenty something year olds that dont understand how to attach a document to an email and send it....mind blowing for them to not just do everything in a single container like their ipad. A FILE SYSTEM!? WTF IS THIS!?
And the number of people going "oh apple is just so much better it works better for me" among clients - okay can you open finder. "Whats that?" - this is actually a scenario I have run into with MULTIPLE clients at work. They don't even know how the simple "made for the lowest common denominator" OS works on the MOST basic level. This is the Apple way - you don't think, we do it for you. Short term, everyones using technology! Long term, everyones using technology and submitting their lives entirely to corporations that run it simply because they don't know how to do anything anymore.
And yeah, i actually am going linux. Gaming was the one thing keeping me on windows and now it's gotten much better! Anti cheat/online is still kind of annoyance in some scenarios but it is actually a significantly better experience than it ever used to be, it's pretty exciting.
popop143@reddit
Took me around a week or so, but I love Start key being at the middle instead of bottom left.
ltecruz@reddit
Mine is still in the bottom left!
Jackson_Storm_X55@reddit
Why not LTSC? Ah it's more expensive than the traditional consumer edition Make sense to remove bloat than spend extra penny
ltecruz@reddit
It's not even bloat and telemetry really, you can do that with a click nowadays with stuff like chris titus tool. It's just removing certain things from the context menu, changing stuff in the file xplorer menu, etc.
Stargate_1@reddit
Get Windows 10, there isn't really a reason to stick to 11, especially since the update that improved AMD CPUs performance. The only "legitimate" reason to delay would be if you are on an Intel System and already have a Win 10 install or have software with a critical dependency on Win 10.
PraiseBogle@reddit
A lot of us dont want anything to do with that recall BS
popop143@reddit
For now, Recall only will be on CoPilot+ PCs (meaning your CPU has to have a dedicated NPU). Even a lot of new CPUs now don't have that.
For future CPUs though...shudder
ltecruz@reddit
I think you got them both mixed up at the start there.
Stargate_1@reddit
Yeah i edited my comment immediately but Reddit takes a moment to apply edits sometimes
ltecruz@reddit
Yeah I figured i'd just let you know
Eaten4656@reddit
At this point, just go with Win 11. Windows 10 support is ending in about a year. You can fix a lot of problems that Windows 11 has with 3rd party utilities, like startallback. I've been daily driving it for the past 2 years now, and it's been actually pretty good.
popop143@reddit
I use PowerToys, which is an official Microsoft utility. Also WinAero for some UX I want from previous versions.
VladThe_imp_hailer@reddit
Im curious to see how this plays out because only about 30% of Microsoft’s users are on Win11. I doubt in the next year they’ll convince a majority of the remaining two thirds to switch which means they’d effectively be dumping support for the vast majority of their consumers.
Richard_Thickens@reddit
Right, but Microsoft won't end support entirely; it will move to a payment structure for updates to W10 specifically (security, stability, etc.), the cost of which will double every year. In essence, it turns a one-time expense into an increasingly-pricey subscription. It could bite Microsoft in the ass, but that's crazy unlikely, because it's not like they're making money on 10 anyway.
The way it plays out is that, unless people upgrade organically or figure out how to bypass any requirements they're not meeting, they're going to be SOL. Chances are that most of the people who don't care to upgrade don't care anyway, but bet your ass that Microsoft is going to make it as annoying as possible.
VladThe_imp_hailer@reddit
I have never heard of that payment structure before. Do you have an example of where this was implemented? It seems utterly idiotic to have users pay for updates to an older OS when they never have before. I haven’t paid for an update in my 7 years of PC gaming so this is just weird to me.
Cautious_Village_823@reddit
Your windows 7 if it is still updating its because you got the modified version that still gets updates, or did something to mod it. Or youre getting updates for like microsoft defender definitions or something. But windows 7 by itself is not supported, does not receive regular updates and if you try to troubleshoot anything with Microsoft and windows 7 is involved it will be a pretty much immediate "oh nothing is promised to work on that we cant help you."
Windows 10 will probably carry on in a similar manner, especially since it's prob more similar to 11 than 7 was to 10, but by no official means will they have support. Microsoft themselves does offer corporate paid plans for companies who specifically need to keep windows 10 going and are willing to pay, but the idea behind the deadline is that windows will stop receiving official report. They wont fire off anything to kill it (probably) but you will not get official microsoft updates from microsoft after they cut off all support for it.
You can continue running it, but for example in your case not having issues doesn't mean it's recommended for general consumers to use a completely unsupported OS with lots of holes in it. And that's the main reason people update, I don't want to leave 10 for 11, but I'm not dealing with the vulnerabilities. Being a home pc, i doubt im specifically a target so dont have to be TOO worried, but again, for the best to just stay on an up to date, patched, and supported version of windows. Especially as cyber security becomes more of an issue and farther reaching.
Richard_Thickens@reddit
It hasn't been implemented yet. I'm not sure what you mean by an example; that's just a statement released by Microsoft. See here and here.
I agree that it's weird and dumb. 🥴 In essence, they're just curtailing the support life on it, but Windows 10 has had a really long span of relevance for a Microsoft OS anyway. That said, Microsoft continued updates for 7 and 8.1 for much longer.
VladThe_imp_hailer@reddit
Just chuckled at yours 😂
I understand better now. I thought maybe Apple or Linux had been doing this but ig Microsoft is just trying something new that’s gonna suck for end users. What a weird way to treat your most successful product lol
KingofGamesYami@reddit
Mac and Linux just drop support entirely long before Microsoft does. Windows 10 had free support for 10 years, Debian only supports for 5 years & MacOS only supports for 3 years.
Richard_Thickens@reddit
Well, since most Linux distros are open source, they don't have the same perceived obligation to users that Microsoft does in this regard. MacOS/OSX upgrades more frequently than Windows, and supports each version for a shorter duration, but they are pretty locked-in about what they maintain too.
It's really not anything particularly new for Microsoft, but yeah, it's just going to alienate quite a few folks, especially since the hardware requirements are relatively stringent (again, since most users won't bother to attempt bypassing them and doing so does leave some exposed vulnerabilities).
chrisrobweeks@reddit
During every OS upgrade, there are loads of enterprise machines at hospitals, universities, etc that run software that is not yet compatible with the new OS, so part of the contract is to keep security upgrades coming while they work on a solution. As the other guy said, it's not intended for the Home version.
Emerald_Flame@reddit
It's really not intended for general home consumers, although they are making it available to them with W10.
This is more targeted towards enterprise customers who want to keep support and it's an extremely common strategy for them. They're referred to as ESU (Extended Support Updates) and are extremely common for most Microsoft products if an enterprise wants to pay for them. Other OSes like Windows Server 2012/2012R2 are currently operating under this type of support. 2008/2008R2 from 2020-2023 was doing the same.
Cautious_Village_823@reddit
Eh they've been trying to get people off the old OS earlier, they learned a lesson from XP. Cant wait until everyone is ready, just gotta pull the plug at some point. I could see them cutting off the support as planned, and only including continued support for ltsc branches and specifically paid support versions. Its how they handled 7 to 10.
isotope123@reddit
The same thing happens with every change. Tonnes of people were on XP when it expired with 7. Tonnes of people were still on 7 when its support ended. Nothing happens to the OS, you just stop getting security updates with all that entails. You leave your PC open to malicious activity. Most people obviously don't care about that. Computers also die and to replace it you cannot go back to the old OS. Microsoft isn't responsible for people not upgrading.
dabocx@reddit
Yeah but if you don’t end support people will never be forced to upgrade.
Paid support will exist but it really should only be for things that can’t be easily upgraded like atms or cash registers etc
MisterrTickle@reddit
Just look at how many extensions Win XP got and it was possible to update much of Win XP up until about 2019. As MS dropped support for computers but kept it for embedded machines including ATMs. So there were ways of getting the hotfixes for embedded machines and ATMs on to a PC. Likewise it was possible to get three year of paid for volume licence updates for Win 7 Pro and Enterprise (not Home or Ultimate) for free. Officially to get the paid for Win 7 updates. You needed a volume licence for 2,000+ installations and then pay IIRC $99 for year 1, $198 for year 2 and $396 for year 3. And to get the updates for years 2+3 you needed the previous year's updates and to have "paid" for them. Although MS kept that option pretty well hidden.
Sea_Perspective6891@reddit
Service pack(major update) support is ending which means no more changes or tweaks to Windows 10 but security support should continue for at least another year. Rumor is they will charge people a subscription for using Windows Security on Windows 10. Really hoping that isn't true. I think if an OS is still wildly used more than the new one they'll at least support security on it for a while just like with XP & 7.
Krradr@reddit
I have a serious issue in 11 with audio, I have standard Realtek driver, like this https://youtu.be/v1MtYfvO8x0?si=_7Pp0mJdc7wNH-Vv I did what it’s suggested but audio enhancement turn itself on after restart & I want to use my enhancement, I’ve spent several hours for troubleshooting to no avail, roll back to win 10 and 0 issues.
UndergroundCoconut@reddit
Wait what is statalback ?
Is it windows 11 iso or you download it after win11?
Eaten4656@reddit
No, you download it after installing Windows 11 the official way. It's an app that lets you get rid of annoyances that come with Win 11. You have a free trial and the license costs like $5. It's really worth it IMO.
UndergroundCoconut@reddit
Wait so it's not a 1 use thing lol ? And u have to pay for it lmao 💀
oddsnsodds@reddit
Yes, paying someone $5 for a 3rd party utility like that is cheap for the price and completely worth it.
Microsoft is constantly updating Windows. Every utility that modifies Windows has to be kept up to date because any update can break it.
I use an app called DashboardX that's on Steam.
NellovsVape@reddit
Idk why the majority of people does not like windows 11, personally I love it and I would never go back to 10. It's just so visually pleasing imo and I did not notice any performance issues or drops gaming wise, and for productivity it's better for my use
Biotech3@reddit
Because there was no reason for Microsoft to change a version that is already good.
SloppyCandy@reddit
Win 11, left align the taskbar, do the change to get the old context/right-click back.
MakimaGOAT@reddit
This is the way.
MakimaGOAT@reddit
Just go with windows 11
jamiemgr@reddit
Get windows 11 using Atlas OS https://atlasos.net/
twohedwlf@reddit
Only reason I haven't is because it says my MB doesn't have a TPM2 chip that's required.
On the other hand, googling just now it looks like maybe I just need to make a couple config changes in the Bios. Dunno.
-haven@reddit
Well like it or not it will depend on what CPU you are getting. Some of the newer CPUs will force you to use w11 with it's new schedule for the e-cores.
Nolear@reddit
I was in this dilemma specially because I am really a power user. I decided to give it a try to w11 and so far it's been amazing. There are very little differences that bothers me because they are not frequent, and w11 have some great QoL changes
Ground-Silver@reddit
Use windows 10 , windows 10 is the better one more bug free
mighty1993@reddit
There is no reason to not go with Windows 11 at this point. The loudest idiots are just the ones that tried it once at the beginning or never and are just parroting some stupid influencer that hated on it instead of checking on it's status right now.
silverist@reddit
I work IT and hate dealing with 11s UI and menu changes meant only to justify the UX team's existence. Change for the sake of change is hella dumb.
Naive-Fondant-754@reddit
I had some problems with W11 years back when i build my own pc .. everything new is rough. Especially when it was forced when it wasnt even fully released. I remember steam wasnt working properly, other launchers had problems too. Many issues with SSD etc.
Its fine today and its more or less the same.
W10 will end support soon so it would be just waste of time. Also .. many new boards dont even support W10.
When I bought new pc, it came with not-active W11 and i was like .. fuck it, put W10 there and only during booting i found out that its not supported .. so had to install W11 back again.
Glad you can buy full licence online for literally 1 EUR and not waste 150 EUR in the shop.
kovu11@reddit
Debloated windows 11 like Win 11 tiny and download utilities from win 10 and win 7 like start is back or Aero. Once they disable Control Panel, download that one too. Yeah Microsoft is making our lives difficult.
d_bradr@reddit
If I wasn't a gamer I'd have switched to Linux Mint a few years ago. If they figure out how to deal with stuff like anticheat that's making some games unplayable on Linux I'd switch in an instant
ThatOSDeveloper@reddit
Anti cheat WORKS on Linux, but the kernel level shut does not because no API translator emulated the kernel it just translates windows API to Linux, it's the Company's fault not Linux or wine or any of that.
d_bradr@reddit
It's the company's fault but the company won't fix it unless Linux gets a big boom in use in PC gaming so you're gonna be locked out of their game
ThatOSDeveloper@reddit
Exactly, though you can just stop playing the game, I mean I stopped playing all sorts of games when I went to Linux, and I am way more happy since I can run more games faster.
d_bradr@reddit
Yeah but on Windows I get to play all games so I don't need to drop any. Why limit myself when I don't have to?
And performance wise I only need 60 because in gameplay I can't tell the difference between 60 and 100+ (165Hz monitor set to 165Hz), after I reformatted my drives I had my display set to the default 60Hz for a few months before changing it. I only changed it because I thought "I should see if I notice it when I revert the settings back to 60Hz after being used to 165"
In fact, I recently played Assassin's Creed Valhalla and SPOILER ALERT >!The fight with Fenrir when you first go to Valhalla, when Loki gets mad at you for beating up Fenrir!< one boss fight is bugged and the boss will spam one attack where it's invulnerable >!the one where he goes underground, of course it couldn't be a parryable or heavy attack, fucking Ubislop!< if your FPS is too high. Mine was like 90-100 and the way to fix it is to limit the game to 60FPS. I didn't notice a thing, honestly could have just left the limit on going forward
ThatOSDeveloper@reddit
Either way if you have a older PC Linux gaming is better than windows, and also worst case use a VM most games WORK on steam with proton.
_Rah@reddit
I`m avoiding Win11 mainly due to Recall feature being baked into the system. Cant even remove the files.
Out of every spyware "feature" MS has added, this one is a deal breaker. That shit will eventually get hacked and your personal info leaked.
Will wait until Win 12 comes out and Win 11 has no more feature updates before I trust the OS. Every update they add more and more crap. I will pay the fee for Win 10 patches if I have to.
NumberFudger@reddit
I put Linux mint on my Win 10 machine yesterday. Done.
Electric-Mountain@reddit
I would but the games I play some have kernal anticheat.
NumberFudger@reddit
Yeah that's an issue. I'm too old to play competition games so I stopped running into that
_Rah@reddit
I am very tempted. I only used Linux in short bursts, but now that Steam on Linux is a thing, I am very close to jumping ship. Waiting to see what Windows 12 brings first.
NumberFudger@reddit
Yeah I was pushed to try it out because my system says it's incompatible with W11 so what choice do I really have? Worked so far. It'll give me time to see how W11 progresses and maybe see what the future holds for Linix and W12
grammar_mattras@reddit
Windows 10 is in the last 2 months of support, not doing windows 11 would be absolutely stupid.
Aleksib23@reddit
what? it will happen on oct 14th next year? what are you talking about?????
finH1@reddit
No reason to get 10 over 11
Funnelino@reddit
Windows 11 probably but ->
Every few years, I try to move to Linux from Windows. So far I had to go back to Windows because a variety of things don't work in Linux. However, this time there are even more reasons to quit Windows and a lot of new functionality has been promised to Linux.
nomadrone@reddit
The fact that you can’t move the task bar around the screen unreasonably grinds my gears, but if I had to buy a new windows I would go with 11
EnvironmentalAsk3531@reddit
11 is very good and stable
Acrobatic-Writer-816@reddit
W11
AthenaSainto@reddit
Fear sells and the myth of hackers stealing your bath pics and your spoiled kids that only you love is just that: a myth. Use win 10 which is faster and less bloated than 11, Microsoft itself will launch Win 12 soon after to overcome the bad rep that Win 11 has. So stick to 10 and skip to 12 and watch how performance degrades and latency increases with every windows version. People that says Win 11 is fast should try Win 7 on the same hardware and will realize how slow Win 11 actually is.
mattbag1@reddit
Not to hijack the thread, but is it easy to install windows 10 and then upgrade to 11? I have a legit unused windows 10 key from when I did my masters degree but want to bump that to 11 when I do my new build in a month.
Zinakoleg@reddit
A girl took it.
SpringNo1275@reddit
I built a new PC a few months ago and went with Windows 10. Even though it's going end of life. I heard a lot of crappy things about Windows 11 and either way Windows 10 is cheaper and will update to 11 automatically when the time comes
CeramicCastle49@reddit
Windows 11. Man, I really wish Linux was able to be used with most games ☹️
prokenny@reddit
I don’t understand the hate about w11, been using it since the RC back in 2021 and w10 on the work computer and I honestly have no complaints.
infralime@reddit
I really liked 7 and 10. I went with 11 for my latest PC and it hasn't gotten in the way of me doing anything. Can't say it's particularly mind blowing (like 7 was), but no complaints. Maybe you have a specific use case that might be different?
dirtydenier@reddit
they're basically the same when you fix the context menu in regedit (and optionally the start menu).
I'd say the smartphone-esque menu for wifi, sound etc is much better than W10.
...That said I am still on W10 as it gives me no problems and there's pretty much no upgrade when going W11
RunEffective3479@reddit
Is there a good video you know of to fix the context menus?
vtdone@reddit
Get Win11... gives you a year to pick up/customise/clean up/change/adapt it to your needs before you're cut off from win10.
It's like win 10 except a couple of things which I hate:
* File explorer> right-click >properties is now hidden behind another level, but there is fix for that to revert to win10 behaviour
* the taskbar button/label behaviour is annoying
* file explorer > right-click > 'customise this folder' sometimes never stick, especially if you bring in your external hard drive full of contents owned by a different user from another machine
* power plan processor power management states don't work for any percent below 100% and you need to run some power shell command lines to set those parameters...
Dumbass-Redditor@reddit
win 11 started off with a lot of hate, but they fixed a lot of the criticism over the years
AntiGrieferGames@reddit
Windows 10
Hungry_Reception_724@reddit
So its really dependent on the user. Power users dont like windows 11 because they have added more clicks to get into things and removed useful features for us. But the core of the OS is still more or less the same so if you are someone who is basically just doing gaming, browsing, discord and are not doing much of anything else then windows 11 would be the better option only because windows 10 support ends in 1 year this month except the IOT version.
9okm@reddit
11
IanMo55@reddit
W11