Hello? Is this the Gen X parent hotline? Excellent! My teenage son's school just called and told me that he tore up his assignment in front of the class and called a teacher b$#@h
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I don't know about you. But I can tell you that if I had done that, and the school had called my parents in the '80s.... I would have been on the back of a milk carton, and y'all would still be looking for my body parts. There'd be some kind of weird 60 minutes special that aired on reruns about where I might have gone.
I stayed on the phone with the school for 30 minutes. Want everyone to know that I'm a social worker. So I'm trauma informed, and I'm a good communicator. I'm a gentle parent. And it's not working! What I am is a doormat! I got told that grounding him from his phone and Xbox was a little extreme.
Here's my question, GenX. If you tore up your assignment in front of your class and then called your teacher an explicitive, what would have happened to you?
UsherOfDestruction@reddit
For a serious answer that doesn't involve being murdered or locked away, I would have been severely restricted from privileges for months. Video game systems and my computer would have been removed from my room and locked away. I would not have been able to go out with friends. Any fun activities I would have been planning would be cancelled. My life would basically be going to school and then sitting in my room reading, doing homework or watching TV (that would probably be the one thing my parents would still allow for leisure) for several months, and my parents would have followed through with the entire sentence.
Good_Queen_Dudley@reddit
That last thing. I would have been made to apologize to the teacher with my parents' present and mean it, as in write it out, then recite it to the teacher. Nothing else matters if you don't do this as well as a parent.
C-romero80@reddit
My son has acted a fool in class, he has lost electronics privileges and had to apologize to the teacher. The only thing that seems to work is not allowing him electronics. He loves his video games.
UsherOfDestruction@reddit
I'm now well into my 40s and the threat of not being able to play my video games still works to keep me getting up for work most days.
juliettecake@reddit
And my life would have ended if I had attempted to disrespect a teacher twice. Mom would only have had to look at me.
Tinawebmom@reddit
Apologize. With parents there. In front of the class.
Source: it happened to me and yes I got my ass beat as well.
horsenbuggy@reddit
These days, they can do so much from home. So "grounding" needs to mean taking away their devices. In extreme situations, removing their bedroom door, as well.
I can't believe any told OP that taking away the phone and video system was extreme. You're preparing your child for life in the real world. If they do this to a boss, they've lost their livelihood - can't pay rent, buy food, etc. Learning how to regulate themselves now is vital to becoming a member of society later.
Creepy_Radio_3084@reddit
What is this thing with removing bedroom doors in the US? I don't understand it - what is it meant to achieve?
SuzQP@reddit
I'm American, and I don't get it. What possible connection exists between misbehavior at school and privacy at home? Make the kid write a 10 page essay about the hierarchy of respect or some other relevant punishment. Taking the door off is just weird.
mybeautifulphoenix@reddit
Punishment.
Chazzam23@reddit
The removal of privacy. Reduction of domain.
hockeyhon@reddit
Mine was removed once because I slammed the door —I can’t recall if I slammed it in my brother‘s face or nearly on his fingers. We would fight a lot, he would try to get in. I always tried to shove him out. Once he kicked a huge hole in my door. But I think ultimately after I got upset one time and slammed it I lost the privilege of having a door. My brother still thinks that was a cruel and unusual punishment for me.
Creepy_Radio_3084@reddit
But to what purpose? In the UK you would perhaps be banished to your room (with no TV, electronics, phone, etc), not allowed to come out except for meals or to use the bathroom, until you apologised for whatever it was. Removing a bedroom door seems I don't know, 'cruel and unusual'...
Gloomy-Republic-7163@reddit
That was usually a punishment for slamming said bedroom door shut multipletimesafter beingtold to stop. It also prevented teens like me from sneaking out when grounded or using/having backup ways of entertainment. I had an extra phone in land line days or would borrow Walkman etc from friends and my son tried the same things cause my parents apparently told him my stories of tricks they knew of 😂. You earned things back and the door was always first.
seche314@reddit
I agree, I think it is bordering on abusive at the very least.
Chazzam23@reddit
I didn't say it was effective or that I would do it. Just repeating what a friend/parent-of-difficult-zoomer said to me.
Creepy_Radio_3084@reddit
Just makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever... Never assumed you did/would do it.
GenX2thebone@reddit
My cousin is a great mom and her young teen daughter kept sneaking out the window so her door was temporarily removed and it solved the problem…
DueStory5@reddit
I never had mine removed, but in my younger sibling’s case it was so they couldn’t slam the door after angrily stomping up the their bedroom. One too many tantrums involving slammed doors, and off it went.
candmjjjc@reddit
I am in the US and personally think it's an abusive practice and would never have done this to my children.
Psychological_Tap187@reddit
It's also meant to convey the message I can't trust you to be by yourself behind a door. You get no privacy because you've acted in a way that tells me if you have it you will be up to no good. You want to act like a toddler that needs constant supervision? I'll treat ypu like one.
I di t agree with it. Thats Just the 8dwa behind it.
sabereater@reddit
You can always take the doorknob off or put on a doorknob that doesn’t lock, so you can get in easily in case of emergency or for spot checks. Taking off the whole door is just weird. I agree with the rest of what you said, though.
seche314@reddit
Agreed, taking off the door is too far.
mybeautifulphoenix@reddit
My parents did that to me because I went into my room when I was upset and slammed the door.
who-waht@reddit
I did take off the door of my daughters' bedroom once. They were 4 and 6 and going through an extreme door slamming phase. My 4yo decided to test me when I was trying to get her baby sister down for a nap, and told her that if she slammed the door once more, I was taking it away. They got a sheet in the doorway for privacy and got the door back a couple of weeks later. The slamming ceased.
Roguefem-76@reddit
You could always temporarily replace it with a curtain for privacy while still being able to keep an ear out for any shenanigans.
(I have a curtain over my bedroom door so my cats can go in and out as they please. A heavy enough curtain will even block light and noise.)
UsherOfDestruction@reddit
I can understand some of the difficulty with devices myself as they're needed for daily life things now - especially education. But you'd better believe I'll make sure no games are being played or social media or anything unnecessary.
Harlequin80@reddit
To be fair, this is exactly what would happen if my child did this now.
Available-Lion-1534@reddit
My child would apologize to the teacher, the class, and the administrators. I’m a teacher. There is no excuse for being rude or disrespectful. You can disagree without being disagreeable. Also, no phone. No privileges. We’d start working on how to express yourself in a better way.
Harlequin80@reddit
Once OP's kid called the teacher a Bitch it didn't matter how justifiable their anger was.
SuzQP@reddit
It wouldn't matter anyway. The ability to express an opinion respectfully doesn't give a kid the right to express it under every circumstances. Sometimes you just have to shut up and deal.
Vialo77@reddit
Same
TKD_Mom76@reddit
Yes, for an actual serious answer, this is it. First and foremost, apologize to the teacher and become her right hand gofer until I was done with her class. If my parents wanted to punish me, they wouldn’t let me read. That was pure torture to child me.
ScarletCarsonRose@reddit
Restrict media and internet access.
Apologize to teacher.
0 on assignment.
Keeps it up? Enjoy summer school.
honeybee_jam@reddit
As a teacher I can assure you - gentle parenting isn’t working across the board. 😕
No-Bet-9916@reddit
people dont understand that authoritative is between gentle parenting and authoritarian, it's necessary
Vegetable-Lasagna-0@reddit
This is why at 20 years in, I’m gearing up to leave the classroom and go into a child study team position. I can’t do it anymore.
Star_Crossed_1@reddit
Take one million likes! I can’t believe I had to scroll so far to reach your comment. I’ll yell louder for those in the back.
IT IS NOT WORKING!!!
Should we go back to abuse? Of course not! But, the pendulum has swung way too far.
RCA2CE@reddit
Nothing - my mother never paid attention. She didn’t see a single grade of mine throughout HS, my SR year I went to class literally half the days, I went to the mall a lot
I just tested through
mydogsarebarkin@reddit
My father would have come to school with me and sat there in every class, every day for a week. No conversations, nothing. That would have been the end of my adventures in fuckery.
deadly_wobbygong@reddit
At 15-16, probably 6 of the best and a weeks detention before I left school.
Then when I got home, grounded for a month with no pocket money but still expected to clean, mow and cook.
I_like_the_word_MUFF@reddit
My parents put me to work so early in life social security shows me earning the year I turned 9.
I believe in the power of manual labor for money. I believe in its ability to wear down the spirit of a young man with too much spirit while also teaching them a skill.
CateranBCL@reddit
I would have been in a world of woe. My dad was military, so dependents could live in base only as long as we behaved ourselves. Doing something like this could not only get us kicked out of base housing (and this make my entire family homeless, aside from maybe my dad who would be put into the barracks) but it could also cause my dad to get a negative NCOER rating which would lead to missed promotions and getting kicked out of the military.
We could be kids, but we also knew that stepping out of line was not an option.
Few_Lingonberry_7028@reddit
Nothing as I walk down the roads and highways with my meager belongings on my back because I wasn't crazy enough to go home after that.
Freakishly_Tall@reddit
Same. Except I could go home for 3-5 hours to get my shit before either of the parents got home, then leave. The siblings I had to care for would be on their own after dinner though.
theflamingskull@reddit
Would they have to heat up their own Hot Pockets, or something else that doesn't require the stove?
Freakishly_Tall@reddit
Lol. This guy latchkeys.
I'm too old for Hot Pockets (or they were Too Fancy for us, dunno), so, frozen pizza it was.
The oven, somehow, was safe enough. At least in middle school. But by high school, "convenience of ignoring children" and "they can make us dinner so it's ready when we decide to get home" teamed up and overwhelmed "stove isn't particularly safe."
Good times.
ClownShoePilot@reddit
I made FRIED CHICKEN on the stovetop with no parents home. My younger siblings would use the oven (including the broiler) when we were home alone.
Socalwarrior485@reddit
Good gods you were rich. We had bread and baloney.
Freakishly_Tall@reddit
Shit, I just had flashbacks. Haaaaaated baloney and white bread. Still do.
Now that you mention it, I recall that frozen pizza was a special treat for when they wouldn't be home before 11-midnight.
On the one hand, could you imagine the reaction today? On the other, I am genuinely jealous of kids that won't be able to imagine that.
Socalwarrior485@reddit
I tell my kids “you don’t know how good you have it”. Not in the kind of warning my my AH parents said it, but more in the “I wish I was my own kid” way.
The 80s were a tough time. I thought we were middle class until I saw real middle class with their hot pockets and frozen pizza. Whit bread, baloney, and if we were lucky, fake cheese.
Pitiful-Werewolf4173@reddit
I was obsessed with the ham that had built in pockets of little cheese! I always wondered, who was the genius behind that?!😆
VanceAstrooooooovic@reddit
We had the toaster oven lol
No-Spite-3441@reddit
Hot pocket microwave, I ve been cooking since I was six
SuzQP@reddit
You couldn't use the stove? Was your mom afraid you'd break it or make a mess?
LetsTryAnal_ogy@reddit
They were X too, so they’d be fine. Relatively speaking, that is.
beyondplutola@reddit
I called my principal a bitch in 6th grade. Sister Superior. This was Catholic school, of course. She backhanded me to the ground and put me at eye level with her white-hosed cankles. Never called her a bitch again. But she was one.
SuzQP@reddit
I can't even imagine the consequences of such an act. Were you excommunicated, imprisoned, and forced to do hard labor until a new set of parents could be tricked into taking you?
beyondplutola@reddit
I was good with the school as my punishment was doled out summarily by the principal herself. And I guess my parents could have been worse about it. I think the overall feeling about it was they a got my response in the form of a full force backhand and there wasn’t much use belaboring the matter.
SuzQP@reddit
Yup, and that's probably the reason your parents let it go.
MAwith2Ts@reddit
Yes. I would have had whatever I got out of school with and then would have started walking trying figure out what I’m going to do with the rest of my life.
davesToyBox@reddit
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TKD_Mom76@reddit
I was going to try to come up with my own remark, but 1000% this. If I had even temporarily lost my mind enough to do something like this, (I never would have. I was and still am too much of a goody two shoes) I would have had to try to sneak back into the house at some point in time to get my toothbrush and a few more pairs of clean undies and lit out on my own.
moonsnake6@reddit
The only acceptable answer lol
quarterlybreakdown@reddit
Right. I would have disappeared myself.
tarponfish@reddit
My dad would not have hesitated to use his belt on my ass. On top of that I’d be grounded from everything for a solid month and made to do all the chores that normally get spread across all the kids, on my own for the next month. Not exaggerating. My dad was strict.
Suspicious_Camel_531@reddit
This sounds like my stepdad. Grounded for a month, belt to my ass, extra chores, stupid projects.
AWastedMind@reddit
It woulda been the belt until I was around 14 or so. Then it was the slapping and getting thrown through my bedroom door.
MusicalMerlin1973@reddit
My parents were pretty strict but spankings got deep sixed around the time I was five. Mom broke her hair brush on my ass, and had a flashback to her childhood, which was SHIT. Her mom used to beat her and her sisters because it was Tuesday. They learned to clear out at sun up and stay away until they couldn’t see. My grandfather couldn’t do anything because she’d call the cops on him. Even in the 50s and 60s it was automatic the guy was out of the house at least where they were.
Grounding? Sure. Not able to do a lot of what my peers did? Whatever. I turned out ok, doing better than most of that lot.
ManicOppressyv@reddit
My dad would have stored it up until the next time I saw him over the summer or spring break or whatever, and he would have annihilated me.
No-Bet-9916@reddit
authoritative is not gentle parenting, be an authoritative parent
FlizzyFluff@reddit
I would have just left then and ran as far away as I could’ve. Unless I wanted to try my Mom up & no I’m good living in the woods forever.
ObsceneJeanine@reddit
In school suspension or I would be expelled for a few days. My mom would've made my life hell. If MY child had done that he'd lose everything for a month plus whatever the school wanted to do to him.
TakkataMSF@reddit
"You're grounded. And if I see a smile on your face, I'm taking that away too."
Pretty sure mom wouldn't let me do anything and would tell my friends I'm dead and to quit calling. No...that's not true. She'd tell my FRIEND (singular). And then wash my mouth out with soap and probably talk to the teacher and make me write a public apology to say in class. AND she'd come in (if she could) and watch me do it. And probably embarrass me like, "If I ever hear you've done anything like this again, you can wash your own under-roos!"
Maybe not all that, but the apology and her watching and soap, totally. She'd be furious at me.
PiEatingContest75@reddit
I’d be still hearing about it to this day, decades later, with an extra helping of rubbing it in when my kids are around.
SonicResidue@reddit
Things like this are why Im leaving teaching. Parents don’t want to be parents.
clodmonet@reddit
I exasperated my parents so much at that age. One thing that worked for me, was something my mother came up with to protect me from my 230lb, 6'2" ex-military lifer and caveman of a father. He never spared the rod (he was born in Germany and that's how it went back then in his culture, notwithstanding his military bearing) - - - ass beatings were 30+ seconds of shear terror, but were over and done with. I would laugh them off.
I thought I would be murdered when I got expelled from high school for smoking. It meant that I also failed the tenth grade. My dad was so disgusted he was ready to just kick me out of the house all together. boom, I was toast. However, instead of allowing me to become a hobo, or to loaf around with no school to go to, my mother stuck her neck out and took over my punishment. She made me write a two page essay on any topic I chose from the vast collection of National Geographic magazines we had before I could leave the house. Once I handed that over, and she made sure I actually learned something, she'd let me go out that day. This went on for two solid months, every day. (mom worked as a librarian). No essay, no leaving the house. No essay and the old man would be let loose to both beat my ass and kick my ass out of the house. What a choice, huh?
So I started writing. That went on every day until it was routine. A few months of that, and before I had to find another public school to go to, she found a job for me washing dishes at a Greek restaurant. Why? Oh, because she also got me into a small private high school school. The deal was that I would pay tuition myself. Dad was not about to throw good money after bad, as he put it. So, I spent the next two years from aged 15 doing that. I paid my way through high school working at a restaurant at night. The only thing that changed was that I got another job as a cook at an Italian restaurant by age 17. I graduated early and at the top of my class... a class of about 24 other seniors, lol... it was a small, small school. Mom didn't want me to take the GED, either. She felt it was getting off too easy, really.
The idea that she knew I'd rather take an ass beating just because it would be all over with - and that it hadn't solved a damned thing with my hardheadedness, made her have to be a LOT more creative in how to effectively reach me. Somehow she knew I wasn't really a quitter... and boy howdy did she dish up quite a challenge. Meanwhile, my dad took his cut of my pay for room and board. Once again, his better angels fucked off somewhere. I had enough pay left over for gas money and smokes, maybe a beer here and there... I was never behind on tuition, or my room and board.
I mean, I admit I was a huge asshole of a kid prior to all that creative discipline. I don't think I ever cried about having to be an adult from that early age, because all of that stuff, being responsible for my own school, my job that paid for it, was so much better than the Hell I faced going back to some redneck shithole of a public school system I was kicked out of. It also prepared me for college in that way; to work at nights and study before work, to attend classes in the mornings and be done by 1pm every day.
Looking back, I feel lucky to have been punished like that. It all helped me SORT OF pull my head out of my ass and face reality a lot sooner than some smarter and well behaved kids. *twitch-twitch
Stephreads@reddit
First, I can’t believe they expelled you for smoking … if it was cigarettes. We had a patio with benches where we were allowed to smoke. I have to mention that it is always librarians who will find the creative way. Lucky you to have one for a mom. Thanks for sharing, I enjoyed reading your story.
clodmonet@reddit
The Dean made a big deal out of it and said I was in the area I was not allowed and made it up to zero-tolerance me.
Epilogue: when I graduated private high school, I went back to tell that asshole Dean to his face that in spite of what he thought, I wasn't a piece of shit - thanked him for presenting a much better opportunity. I also found out that dickheads just don't give a fuck about anyone they've already made their mid up about. Just another side quest and a good lesson is all that was.
Stephreads@reddit
Oh, he cared. Just not a big enough person to admit it. Most of those types are like that.
clodmonet@reddit
....so a lesser character than The Grinch. 😆
Away-Ad3792@reddit
My parents were outliers in that they were dysfunctional and paid zero attention to me. I did have a friend who got caught smoking. her parents told her to go outside and water the lawn. When she was called back in they had taken but the mattress, desk and lamp out of her room and she had 3 outfits that were essentially jeans and a top. She had to come straight home, do homework or read until dinner. Have dinner, do dishes and return to room for more homework and reading. I feel like that went on for a good 6 weeks. Maybe it seemed long because I was a kid. But we were in 10th grade.
BigJackHorner@reddit
So I might not have made aaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllll the way to a milk carton, but I might have needed help finding all of my teeth.
Suspicious_Camel_531@reddit
I would have been taken directly to the principals office. The principal would have listened to the teachers side, and then also to my side of the incident. He would’ve dismissed the teacher saying, I’ll handle this. Then, he’d have told me to bend over and place my hands flat on the desk.
He had a long wooden paddle hanging on his wall. Maybe an inch thick, about 2 ft long and 4 inches wide. The word ‘discipline’ burned into the wood in large capital letters. He literally beat my ass, and told me to count. He aimed for the bottom of my butt, top of my hamstrings.
True story. It was 8th grade. Public middle school of 800 kids in Toledo Ohio. It was 1985, I was 13 years old.
elammcknight@reddit
Yeah I would have just laid low and not gone home. Anything to put off the beating I was going to get once I crossed through the door.
Oatmeal_Savage19@reddit
Dude, I smacked my mother's finger away when she was shaking it in my face giving me hell for something I did at home when I was 7. I dont remember anything for the next two days lol. Learned very early not to piss off the little Scottish lady. But they took my education seriously too - they would have asked what happened and if the teacher was wrong, they would have raised holy hell in the school district. Your son must have had a reason to do this - just have his back if it's warranted, he'll appreciate it more than you know
elammcknight@reddit
I'd have been cancelled...but not in the way it means now.
mtrap74@reddit
Depends on why he did it. I had a teacher tear up my final in a very easy math class my senior year because she said I finished it to fast. It didn’t matter because I was graduating anyway. I called her a Bitch & told her to F off & walked out. My parents didn’t do anything to me. If your kid had a good reason for it then take it easy on him. After all, F*** Authority! And, Whatever…
duckystheway@reddit
Grounding him from Xbox is extreme??? Absolutely not by Genx standards it’s actually not enough mama.
makinthemagic@reddit
Gentle parenting does not work. You are a permissive parent, at best.
Reasonable-Marzipan4@reddit
My ass would have been spanked, my psyche shamed as I had embarrassed the entire family, and then unmercifully teases about it for years. Oh yeah, I would have had to do manual labor as punishment. Like digging a French drain in the yard by hand.
littleHelp2006@reddit
Hey there. I did the gentle parenting thing and know many others that did as well without these same results. So I don't want you to blame yourself or your parenting style. That said, if I had done that in the 80s I would have been grounded for a month minimum.
kat_Folland@reddit
I can't imagine me doing it and I can't imagine my kids doing it without a damn good reason... So my imagination is failing me.
CluckKent88@reddit
I would’ve been 💯 banished to hell for the rest of my childhood life!
guroxique@reddit
I’m starting my own hotline too free of charge 1-800-daddyissues
MyChoiceNotYours@reddit
Mum would have asked why I did it and if there was a good reason such as I got failed on an assignment that I worked really hard on and was actually good then she'd go postal on the teacher and the school. I had an English assignment on Gallipoli that my teacher reckoned my mum had done for me (which she didn't except for helping me with the hot water for the tea and the candle to burn the edges to make the paper look old and worn). The teacher tried to fail me and mum went postal on her and showed her how hard I worked. So I went from a fail to a A+. The teacher also apologized and from then on I showed the teacher what I was capable of instead of doing nothing for class. Because the way I thought was if the teacher didn't try for me then why the hell would I work my ass off for them. Now if I didn't have a good excuse for tearing up an assignment and calling the teacher a bad name then mum would throw out any junk food I had, no tv, no books except school book, no treats of any kind and she would make me walk home from school and to work.
cardprop@reddit
No one would have ever seen me again. I would have had my own episode of unsolved mysteries, every dairy in America would have had my picture and I most likely would not have been able to sit down in the short amount of time between getting home and disappearing forever
BrilliantRain5670@reddit
Well with what I know now I would be Speaker of the House.
Vness374@reddit
I have the exact same voice and handwriting as my mother and was a latchkey kid… so nothing. I would have erased the message off the answering machine, called back myself (pretending to be my mother) and forged her signature on anything necessary. I never got in trouble bc I was sneaky and no one was was paying attention anyway🤷♀️
westbridge1157@reddit
They would have long since given up on my cold case, labeling it a justifiable homicide.
cleverpsuedonym@reddit
I was so often grounded for my behavior that my friends nicknamed me Lightning Rod. Ironically that's when I read and learned the most. I missed many a teen party. Though I occasionally sneaked out anyway.
As a GenX parent in 2024, the most important point to discuss is controlling emotions and less the event at the school. This will not be the last time someone will push the kid's buttons. It's their reaction that you want to address. https://www.gottman.com/blog/age-age-guide-helping-kids-manage-emotions/ An Age-By-Age Guide to Helping Kids Manage Emotions: Ultimately, helping kids manage their emotions begins by validating those emotions and providing...
cleverpsuedonym@reddit
Oh and when I was a teen, the teachers slapped kids and everyone was cool with that.
ImmySnommis@reddit
I would have gotten absolutely smoked.
In 4th grade a friend and I left school at lunch. (Long story but we were in the woods which wasn't allowed and missed the recess bell.) Our brilliant 4th grade minds figured if we got home at the regular time, no one would be the wiser. (Because phones didn't exist? IDK, I was like 9 or so.) Besides it was Friday, people wouldn't even notice, right?
Anyway, my Dad caught us acting like we got off the bus. Took us to my house and called my friend's parents, as well as the police who were notified we were missing. After the police interview and lecture, they and my friend's parents left. That was the moment I dreaded.
My dad beat the living fuck out of me with his belt. Welts all over my legs and butt. Probably the worst beating I even got, or close to it.
I was grounded to my house - not allowed outside except for school - for six months. This happened in May, so I lost an entire summer of my youth. I also lost my bike, which was my pride and joy as well as my freedom vehicle, for an additional six months.
Mentally it was absolutely murder. Physically, aside from the obvious bruises, I gained weight and became a pudgy kid. I got picked on for it by my peers and my mom fat shamed me. She bought me a pair of pants two sizes too small and said it "that's all you get, so you better make them fit, fat ass."
Oh and my teacher? When I showed up Monday with welts all over my body she just shrugged and said I got what I deserved.
_perl_@reddit
This makes me want to cry. Hugs to little you and also to big you who is still dealing with the effects of that trauma so many years later. I'm so sorry. Mike Brady would have been way more chill about a situation like this.
ConsistentJuice6757@reddit
Who told you that grounding him from his electronics was extreme? Now my daughter is older, she’s in her 30s, but the last punishment I gave her was for being mouthy to a teacher. She lost all electronics and was grounded to her bedroom for a week. She did her homework at the kitchen table under supervision, she ate with the family. Then besides the time she was showering, using the bathroom, etc, she sat on her bed. She could read or she could sit there. Her choice.
wolfysworld@reddit
Paddle at school and belt at home.
PurpleLee@reddit
Our principal had 2 rulers duct taped together, and she wasn't afraid to use it on misbehaving "heathens".
Disrespecting the teacher got you an automatic ticket to the principal's office.
wolfysworld@reddit
No rulers at my school, principals had paddles, as did many teachers. One teacher made his paddle to maximize pain; it was all convoluted at best.
devoskitchen@reddit
My elementary VP has a paddle with holes drilled into it. Made a wicked sound.
wolfysworld@reddit
Yes, our shop teacher had one of these that he made in front of us. They were peaches weren’t they?
Awesome_to_the_max@reddit
Same. My middle school principal called them his speed holes because it let him swing the paddle faster.
FlipDaly@reddit
Whaaaaat. By whom?
zombieofcoffee@reddit
I believe I would have disintegrated from the sheer terror of what would happen to me. I mean I had a really cool gen x mom but she took no sh-t.
zombieofcoffee@reddit
(My mom was beginning of gen x I'm the end of x)
Final-Beginning3300@reddit
I would've been grounded for life. I hope your son faced some consequences. Teachers have a tough job these days.
AstroStrat89@reddit
Gen-X'er here. Both my parents were educators. Father was assistant Dean of Ed at a medium sized university. If I had done this they would have probably thought I had a good point. They knew all the teachers at my high school and knew at least some were completely useless. Either given up, didn't care, or were on a power trip. Don't get me wrong, I think teaching is one of the most noble of professions but lets face it. They are under paid, under appreciated, and the end results are predicable.
Atrophycosine@reddit
If, and I can't stress this enough, if I had done this, my father would've slapped the taste out of my mouth.
theblisters@reddit
What's the kid's story?
When I was in high school my mom showed up and tore my English teacher a new asshole for being a shitty misogynist towards any girl in his class that didn't fit his mold of proper
RupeThereItIs@reddit
I'm surprised this is so far down.
The kid needs to be punished, unfortunately you have to learn to give deference to authority, even when that authority is an ass hole.
But the severity of the punishment may shift depending on what triggered the outburst. ESPECIALLY if it's out of character for the kid.
VanceAstrooooooovic@reddit
Yea I’ve been looking for the details, cuz in some cases that might actually be okay. I need to know what the assignment was before I could say
Tigger808@reddit
I’m also surprised this is so far down.
The kid needs to learn temper control and proper issue resolution and escalation.
I had a high school teacher once that liked to paddle students, but only the girls wearing dresses. So I wore a dress, passed a note to a friend, and got called to the front of the class and told to bend over the desk for my punishment. I said “no, we are going to the principal.” He told me to sit down, that I wasn’t going anywhere. I told him I was going to the principal to report him, and he could either come with me or play catchup telling his side.
embracing_insanity@reddit
As a parent myself, this would be my first thing - what happened and why did they do that. Then, depending on the answer, would decide how we move forward.
I had a teacher who would yell at me, slam books on my desk, call me names, etc. if I didn't finish all of my homework. Regardless of why, which was usually because I struggled to understand some of it. Mind you, I was also a very quiet kid, never got in trouble and never talked back, or gave sass in the first place.
I finally told my mom what was happening and she was pissed. She had a meeting with the teacher and the principal and similarly reamed the teacher for behaving that way. The teacher said I should be transferred to another class, but my mom insisted I stay in her class and she learn how to better behave and never treat any student that way again. I didn't love that part - but that teacher was on her best behavior for the rest of the year.
Pretty sure had I done something like OP's kid when receiving that treatment, my mom wouldn't have been all that mad and would still have dealt with the school about it.
Not saying the kid had a good reason, but to automatically assume they didn't is also not the way to go.
SeriousAsPie@reddit
Yeah, I trust my kid to not be a dick without good reason. I would ask their side of the story first.
EducatedBarbarian@reddit
I would have got a "thick ear" i.e. a smack upside my head from Mum and the strap from my stepdad. I would have been grounded and had to do ALL the chores by myself for months (like dishes and vacuuming every night). I would still be hearing about it to this day.
Rebelwithacause73@reddit
I would have been led out of the school by my ear by my mom who then upon arrival at home would have beat me with a variety of wooden spoons and metal flyswatters. Then when dad got home the leather belt comes out and the real pain started. Was told if I moved it was going to be twice as hard and twice as much.
Then after all that happiness I would have been grounded for the year. And I don’t mean today’s pussy ass grounding. I mean 7 days a week sit in a chair in my room and don’t move unless it was for homework. No toys. No friends. No phone. No tv. No Atari. No sleep till bedtime. Any deviation was an automatic beating.
Fun times in the 80’s. Now I know why I got sooo damn good with not getting caught. lol
I do think your kid doing that is unacceptable. And yeah, the punishment should be pretty strong. I’d think no phone and no Xbox is just the start.
Imho no phone and no x box should lead to the 2 of you spending lots of time with each other for the next month. Go for walks. Play uno. Watch cool movies. Go to church. Go fishing. Tell him you love him and care about what’s bothering him. Try to get in his head and find out why he’s lashing out like that.
Good luck. Both of my boys are out of school now but I know it can be rough.
VanceAstrooooooovic@reddit
Depends, what exactly was the assignment?
throwra_22222@reddit
My silent generation hippy father, who was a high school teacher, would have admonished me for causing my teacher's suffering, while also congratulating me on sticking it to the man.
My mother, if she even noticed anything happened, would have wept and wailed about how I made her look bad.
My childhood was confusing.
TechFiend72@reddit
As a teenager, I knew not to do this. As a single digit, I would have had to apologize in person and in writing, while not being able to sit down for a while.
ShutYourDumbUglyFace@reddit
I'd still be in my bedroom from the grounding. No cell phone? Try no door.
Rungi500@reddit
My mother would have bought a new canoe paddle sized wooden spoon cause she broke one on my ass (normal size) previous to new explained travesty.
app_generated_name@reddit
So many wooden spoons were broken on me (mom would hit my shoulder, I would flex and spoons would break) that she moved on to the metal meat tenderizer. That...that fucking hurt!
Caro1275@reddit
I’m just going to be blunt. I never would have dreamed of doing something like that- EVER. Not as a child as a teenager.
I do remember getting caught passing notes in class when I was in the 8th grade. My teacher called my parents. My dad’s response to me was something like: if you are going to do stupid shit that you know would get you in trouble, then you better be smart enough to not get caught.
After that incident, I was grounded for a week-no friends, phone or tv. My parents didn’t make me apologize to the teacher because they said I was only sorry for being caught, not for being disrespectful. So instead, my parents assured the teacher that this would be the first and last time she would have to call my house. And since I “loved to write so much” my parents made me write an essay to go along with the book we were discussing in class. I’ll never forget -the book was “Of Mice and Men.” Still hate that damn book.
Needless to say- I never had a teacher have to call my parents again. I also never got caught doing “stupid shit” again. Wish I had better advice to give you.
MakeItAll1@reddit
I would have been severely punished at home and would not have been able to comfortably sit without a donut cushion.
CantaloupePopular216@reddit
Permissive parenting is not going to work. You need to have consequences for actions and FALLOW THROUGH! It must be immediate, given with an even temper, and do not back off or give in. Gambling is so addictive because there’s a chance you can win, if the child knows there is a chance they will get there way, they will keep pulling that handle. I’m sorry, but it’s going to be a lot harder with a teenager. Being a buddy does your child no favors. Being a parent is what they need.
debeeme@reddit
I would have been too afraid to go home to find out.
NotSlothbeard@reddit
Nothing. Somebody would have had to actually parent me.
ntgvngahfook@reddit
I'm Latino. Chankla to the face from mom, beat down from dad. Would've been so much blood.
KeniLF@reddit
In 2024,my mama would still think back to this having happened and show up to my house to apply discipline lmao!
I can't doing imagine either of those things let alone both! My parents would have tag teamed the ass whooping!
who-waht@reddit
Grounding him from his phone and xbox is a little extreme? Really? You're not going to beat him with them.
TXRedheadOverlord@reddit
That's a paddlin'.
KenIgetNadult@reddit
You say that but it didn't do shit for my GexX older brother.
In fact, once when the Vice Principal told him to "Reach down and grab your ankles."
My brother responded with "And while I am there, you can kiss my @$$." I think he was like 11?
Apparently, the principal just put the paddle down, walked out and called our mom.
Mom was torn between pissed, embarrassed and a little proud. My brother spent most of his school life in ISS.
burnedimage@reddit (OP)
You can't touch them! You can't even threaten to touch them!
IAm5toned@reddit
Pics or it never happened...
anaphasedraws@reddit
It’s a Simpsons reference
suffaluffapussycat@reddit
What grade is your kid in?
My kid is in high school now and there is an unbelievable amount of pressure on these kids to do exceptionally well to get into a good university.
I don’t remember it being that way for us.
charlottespider@reddit
Because it's child abuse, and we're better than they were. I'm sorry you're having a tough time.
juliettecake@reddit
But you can publicly embarrass your children. That's quite easy with a teen. 😆 🤣 😂
Electrical_Beyond998@reddit
Hello fellow doormat!
My 16 year old has been expelled from any county school. I wish all he had done was call a teacher a bitch 😂 I laugh so I don’t cry.
Sweet_Deeznuts@reddit
Paddling the school’s canoe? You better believe that’s a paddlin’
No-Spite-3441@reddit
So I would have been fine because my parents we’re gone for weeks at time, the longest I was by myself was like 6 weeks, but they never left my older brother or younger sister more then a day
Taodragons@reddit
Hah, look at all these Gen X with parents! Adorable! My "parents" would have never heard about it. If the school had been invested enough to call my grandma though, she would have given me a disappointed look worse than any beating.
TeaWithKermit@reddit
I honestly can’t even fathom what my parents would have done. They were not the spanking kind and my mom felt that grounding was “too American”, so I’m not sure what that would have left.
I’m also a social worker and did the gentle parenting thing. I think that it’s highly dependent on your kid in terms of how it works out. I’m really curious as to why your son did this (his side of the story) and if this is a one-off in terms of aggressive behavior towards others. Those two answers would factor heavily in how I moved forward.
TeaWithKermit@reddit
I meant to add, best wishes to you. I know that this is not easy.
IllogicalPenguin-142@reddit
I would have received detention from the school, but I don’t know what my mom would have done. I would never have done that. She would probably talk to me about it. I don’t think she would have whipped me.
itemniner86@reddit
Not even a gen x’er but associated too closely with too many to identify with anyone else on Reddit. That would’ve been the end of my social life for the foreseeable future AT LEAST, and there were many who would’ve said that wasn’t nearly severe enough.
stinkyrobot@reddit
The look from my father would have drove me to my room til the end of time. My mom would have shook her head so hard. My sister would have laughed and laughed and laughed.
Geneshairymol@reddit
Sounds as though he was embarrassed and frustrated. The behaviour is not acceptable. However, try to find out what happened.
All7AndWeWatchEmFall@reddit
I would have ended up at my best friend's house, camped out on her bedroom floor. Of course, her mom wouldn't know what I did (if I had ever attempted anything like this), because she was a single mom, a nurse working as many shifts as she could get to keep a roof over her kids' heads and food on the table. And of course, my mother didn't know any of the other parents by the time I got to high school. So I probably would have been safe for awhile.
rogun64@reddit
Grounding would have been the least of my worries and I think my parents were pretty fair. I hate to sound like an old person, but I really do think kids are coddled too much today. They take advantage of it because they know they'll get away with it.
philovax@reddit
My dad was great at creative punishments. He took all the phone receivers but left 1 with a 3” cord for emergencies. You could hold it to your head. Didnt turn the shower fan on, no more doors. TVs were turned around in the cabinet.
Maybe take the smartphone and give them an old flip phone. Taking away games is too harsh? How bout old games, pre-internet, or board games only. Set them up with the grandparents and make them learn a home craft (sewing, woodworking, cooking). Make them volunteer at an animal shelter. MAKE THEM CLEAN.
Change the wifi password. Disable their data on the phone. Make them watch only Pluto TV.
anabetch@reddit
Expelled!
QueenMEB120@reddit
I still wouldn't be able to sit down.
MowgeeCrone@reddit
I borrowed my brothers jumper without asking. I had blood blisters and welts for a week after the beating. I was also grounded for 2 months. No phone calls in or out. No leaving the house unless for school. No friends allowed to visit or call for that two months.
It's simply super that you're trauma informed, it's really helped teach him how to be a decent human being. Good job.
beaglemama@reddit
Who the hell told you that?!?!
I would have been grounded and stuck at home (when I wasn't at school) for a very long tome.
TehKarmah@reddit
I would have had to sign a contract saying I would never again do that. And I'm sure I would have been grounded, but whatever, I lived in the sticks so there weren't many places I could go. And I was only allowed a few hours a day of shitty antenna TV, so that was no loss. The no phone would have sucked, but I figured out where dad hid the recorder and would just pause it when I called friends.
klubhaus_142@reddit
…I don’t remember what happened when I got home…
Trying_to_Smile2024@reddit
I went to Catholic school with nuns so I probably would have ended up in the beef-r-roni 😳
JustCallMeChismosa@reddit
I got in trouble for going to Grad Nite even though my mom gave me permission, my grandma forbid it. I lived with my grandma so she called the shots. Well I went anyway and when I got back my grandma was waiting for me in the living room and I wasn’t allowed to watch TV for a month. Had I done this and my grandma gotten a call from the school, I can guarantee I would get hit with the chancla numerous times.
ApatheistHeretic@reddit
I have to give my mom credit here. She didn't take shit, but at least wanted to hear my side also. A transcript from my HS days:
-Ms. Busybody: Hello, this is Ms. Busybody from HS calling about ApatheisticHeretic.
-MB: I'm calling you to question why he does not turn in any homework.
-Ms: AH! Come here... MB says you're not doing any homework.
-AH: Yeah, I have a B and the homework is only 10% of the grade.
M: Is your homework only 10% of the grade?
-MB: Well, yes.
M: I wouldn't do your homework either.
AstridOnReddit@reddit
Something like this happened when I was in high school in 1988. The kid who said it got detention, but he had been recently orphaned and I doubt his older brothers (legal guardian) did much about it.
Zerly@reddit
I would have been on lockdown. But I never would have got to the point of doing that because I would have been afraid of what would happen. Suspension? Good lord the horror. I could be hell on wheels but I kept that shit out of sight from anybody in authority.
roughlyround@reddit
Ass whooping for me. For him I suggest mandatory public apology to teacher. and it's enforced by you. Sorry your kid is giving you hell.
hyrle@reddit
Pretty sure my ass would have been turned black and blue.
marmalademango72@reddit
I never would have done it because I was so quiet I barely spoke in class - that said, if I did I would have had my ass handed to me on a platter.
DoLittlest@reddit
Military school.
CharacterBroccoli328@reddit
Kids used to get expelled from school for this behavior, but not anymore.
FuggaDucker@reddit
What is funny is that this is impossible to answer for 99.9999% of us as it would have been unthinkable.
Resident-Edge-5318@reddit
my parents would have beat the crap out of me. Period.
M_Solent@reddit
🤣 I think they would’ve just washed their hands of me and let me sink or swim on my own accord for the rest of my life. …which is sort of what they did anyways, for seriously less significant behavior. 🤣
caduceushugs@reddit
Are you me? Been “dealing” with this for 3 years now..
I have no answers, just sympathy.
devoskitchen@reddit
I don't think I would have got the belt for that (that was reserved if I was fighting). Certainly no TV, computer or radio for weeks or longer. And I'd have to strip my room down to the basics - desk and a bed. My only allowed activity was homework or I could read a book. I read a lot of books.
Queasy-Parsnip-8940@reddit
I too would have gone missing…
AmomyMouse1@reddit
Taking the door off is a legitimate fire hazard. Bedroom doors should always be closed while sleeping for fire protection.
baithammer@reddit
So what did your son say about his tantrum? Grounding from phone and xbox isn't extreme and you need to stick to your guns when you hand out a punishment.
No_Temperature229@reddit
I would have had all my belongings taken away and would not have been allowed to leave the home except for school for the rest of the school year.
Ff-9459@reddit
My mom would have asked me why I did it. If I had a good reason and the teacher was a b$&ch, probably nothing. She may have even said she was proud of me, but I should be careful about my language.If there wasn’t a good reason, I probably would have been grounded from doing anything with my friends for a week.
The_Dixco_Bunny@reddit
I’m not sure anyone asked but why did he say he did it? His reasoning could actually be sound but lacking in delivery.
Dragonfly_Peace@reddit
No excuses. Enough of that.
SirThoreth@reddit
Okay, Boomer.
The_Dixco_Bunny@reddit
Who’s making excuses? I specifically said the way he went about it was wrong.
SirThoreth@reddit
That’s what I was thinking, too. I mean, yeah, calling the teacher the sandy part that adjoins where the ocean meets the land is uncalled for, and needs to be addressed, if only because the term carries such a note of misogyny, but punishing the behavior without finding out why it happened is Boomer or Silent generation behavior.
CqwyxzKpr@reddit
Belt, physical, mental, emotional abuse all while getting "I'm sorry, you won't talk to me."
refinancemenow@reddit
lol my oldest son did the almost exact same thing. I think he inherited my animosity towards authority. Taking his devices away is the answer. I’d say a month.
merlin48@reddit
My mom was a teacher so I'll let you all guess how that would have gone over.
Ns4200@reddit
Both my parents were teachers!! it would have been easily 3 months before i was allowed to do anything, including watch tv, forget my friends, clearly they’re a bad influence so no more of that. All my clubs and activities where i saw said friends, over.
I knew this inherently, and thus only got 1 detention ever (forgot to do my spanish homework) and stayed on the honor role so i could get away with all my other teenage bullshit out at night with my friends.
No reason to ever fuck around in school, most parents gave a lot of freedom if school was all good, freedom used to be a really big deal. seems like kids don’t care anymore, i can’t even fathom having a digital leash, i’d rather have a beeper like a true bad ass!
merlin48@reddit
Yup! Gotta stay out of trouble so you could have the freedom to go cause trouble 😉
No_Profile_3343@reddit
Same. Disrespecting teachers is a no go.
I told my kids they aren’t to disrespect teachers or they’d be answering to me.
Technical_Echidna_68@reddit
My ass would have been grass.
DisturbingPragmatic@reddit
I just might be waking up out of my coma right about now...
zaypuma@reddit
Like Jello Biafra in his Portlandia sketch.
LetsTryAnal_ogy@reddit
Wake up, catch up on the news.
“Can you put me back in for another 30 years?”
prettybirdie_714@reddit
Right? Like Today.
OldDudeOpinion@reddit
My mom was a cop….they never would have found my body.
KnightOwl1408@reddit
Well, first of all, most of my teachers were nuns so I would’ve been getting caned well before my parents found out. Then, I would’ve most likely had to hand deliver a letter from the teacher or principal to my parents and return it signed with their signature to the school the following day after persevering past another ass-whooping from my dad when he got back home from work late at night. 🤦🏽♂️
Sawdustwhisperer@reddit
First off, extreme behavior usually warrants extreme consequences.
Second, who is to tell you that grounding him from the very things he loves more than life itself? You are the parent....not buddy! A friend of mine taught me to use extremes when discussing hypotheticals; what if he did this to his boss? Are you going to support him while he plays his Xbox until another job comes looking for him?
Lastly, you should stick with your gut. Ground him from the things he cherishes, being polite about it, and make sure you are steadfast! He will sweet talk you, or do all the chores this week, and then when the time is right and your guard is down, he'll ask you for just 10 minutes with his phone. Write a contract describing the expected behavior and consequences for not meeting those expectations. Be clear. Make him sign it. This generation has ingrained in them the 'victim' mindset...they try to spin the facts...one day a lot of them may be great politicians. Shoot, maybe as part of his punishment take him to the soup kitchen each Saturday and pick him up 4 hours later. Let him see what it is REALLY like to not have anything.
Keep us posted!
AnotherRandomDFF@reddit
My mother was a teacher in my school district, I would have been dead 5 minutes after I started ripping that paper up. Plus, there's no way on goddess's green earth I would ever call one of my female teachers a bitch because they had all been to my house they knew where I slept.
CharlotteSumtyms76@reddit
Nothing good! I got a D in my junior year at the end of the year(June 1993). My parents decided I couldn't drive until my next report card(Nov 1993). I'd only been driving for 6 months at the time and thought it was outrageous(until I figured out they were hurting themselves, cos they even drove me to my job and back). I feel like my parents were pretty gentle for those days, but if I'd done that to a teacher? I mean if a D in one class meant no driving for ~6 months, who knows? Best of luck to you, just know you're not alone in badly behaved teens/ young adults!
Dragonfly_Peace@reddit
Gentle parenting doesn’t work.
HowCanThisBeMyGenX@reddit
Time for boot camp.
tooful@reddit
Lord...I can feel my mom's backhand just reading this post.
fuzzimus@reddit
Gen X parent of 2 teen boys here. We don’t hit, but you bet they would be grounded, no phone or electronics, and be writing a hand written apology, to be delivered in person.
Depending on how they reacted to the punishment, or if it became a recurring theme, they might get additional grounding time, lose privileges to sports or activities, and/or extra chores.
My wife and I are progressive and pretty lenient but the boys know we’ll come down on them like a ton of bricks if needed. We rarely have to do any kind of correction.
Fun_Buy@reddit
My parents may not have noticed.
Elss802@reddit
My mom was a teacher at my highschool and my father was a highschool principal in another district. When I got caught drinking on school property, the assistant principal gave me a choice: call my mom out of class or call my dad and wait the 45 minutes it would take him to get there. I chose my mom. I didn't want to give my dad time to stew about it. I do not regret that decision to this day.
Xbox and phone grounding is good. There are consequences for his actions. Go hard now. Hopefully the message will sink in.
Impressive-Shame-525@reddit
My father was a little different. First, he'd have asked what happened. In detail from start to finish.
Then once he understood what happened, he may have grounded me for a month and I'd have to pick up my brother's chores, or he may have went and raised hell at the school.
He was very much the Dalton of respect. Give it until there's a reason not to.
luvslilah@reddit
I wouldn't have been beaten. But, I would have been grounded for months. That meant no phone calls, no tv, no going out with the family, extra chores etc. My dad was a Marine and when he started yelling, the entire neighborhood heard him. Plus, a written and verbal apology to the teacher. Although, my father rarely spanked us, he could be intimidating as fuck.
SifuMommy@reddit
I would have been slapped so hard my future kids would have felt it. And then I would be grounded until… well… now. I’m 53.
pixienightingale@reddit
It depends - which teacher? The teacher that made me go to the bathroom when I was wearing chapstick and acted like I was wearing lipstick, the forced confessions that would have been me swearing at a priest, or someone who had taught my aunts and uncles?
Kidding, my ass would have been grass if my mother heard first and my dad would have just been disappointed and spanked me but not wanting to.
REDDITSHITLORD@reddit
Well, I was abused. So... you know... Abuse
Seriously, though. Why are they tearing up an assignment and calling the teacher a bitch? I mean kids are dumb, but they don't randomly do this kinda thing, right? I was always able to find the reasons for a behavior and find a solution that way.
elijuicyjones@reddit
It depends. If she deserved it, my Mom would have been there defending me. If she didn’t, my Mom would have handed me my ass. It would all hinge on why I did that.
My mom went to school more than once after I was threatened “we’ll call your parents!” and each time she ended up defending me because she couldn’t understand why they couldn’t just answer my questions. I wasn’t calling teachers names, I just wasn’t accepting their feeble and ignorant lessons where we learned nothing.
“my son is challenging” she told them, “he won’t tolerate nonsense, and I don’t understand what you’re asking. I will not tell him to shut up. So I suggest y’all come up with better answers for him.”
Gwilym_Ysgarlad@reddit
I would have gotten my ass beat, deservedly so. Grounding him from his phone an Xbox should be the minimum.
discussatron@reddit
My hide would get tanned, as they say.
SpeakiTheTiki@reddit
So, I’m a teacher. Part of this is consistency on enforcing boundaries —and part of this is really on the school. For example, in my district, you cuss out a teacher, you go to hearing board and are up for expulsion. Your son should have been expelled for that level of disrespect. You have to take a stand here.
The part you can control is what environment you want at home. Decide what’s what and be consistent.
The phone should absolutely go. People think phone addiction isn’t a thing—it totally is. Hit him where it hurts.
It is a business transaction. Choice and consequence. You be polite: you can absolutely not give him an inch with a smile on your face. Teachers at schools where discipline is supported do it every day.
Sadly, post Covid, most public schools are laying down when they should be standing their ground. We have weakened on discipline too.
Good luck
Len_Zefflin@reddit
When I was in grade 4 ('75) I did a very similar thing. I told my French teacher go fuck herself and leave me alone. I spent the rest of the morning getting screamed at by various teachers before ending up in the principal's office. When he phoned my mom she wasn't home. He told me he would try again later. He forgot. I think that is the only reason I'm still around today because I would be buried under the back yard shed otherwise.
cassinglemalt@reddit
Probably straight into some kind of mental health care, given my general demeanor. Also since most of my teachers either taught my parents, went to school with my parents, or were related to me, it would be the small town version of an International Incident.
bubbsish@reddit
Mental heath treatment was my first thought too. Not sure it was “care” in those days
ShowMeYourHappyTrail@reddit
If this doesn't answer this, I don't know what will...
I got grounded from being able to do anything fun until next report card because I got one C. Not multiple Cs, all it took was one. Basically my entire high school career I was grounded from having fun because I'd get the C up and some other grade would go down to a C. Oh, and if my last report card had a C on it, I was grounded from anything fun all summer.
zork3001@reddit
Probably whipped with a belt and then grounded to my bedroom for a week.
bee_sharp_@reddit
Not sure who is judging that taking away the kid’s main tools of entertainment is “extreme,” but it’s really not.
Artistic_Engineer665@reddit
I got a C in one class my junior year in high school and was grounded (no TV, no phone, no friends, and no job) for the whole next semester. My parents were colossal jerks, but I probably would have had to fake my own death if I pulled a stunt your son did.
Cleanclock@reddit
Yeah it’s super controversial on the parenting subs to even hint any criticism of gentle parenting, but I’m seeing a lot of gently parented shitheads coming up in the schools these days.
And I’m a gentle parent, with young kids for a GenXer, but I also have a stern disciplinary streak that mortifies millennial and GenZ parents. There is far too much bargaining and second- and third-chancing these kids, and the kids are all coddled, disrespectful, and in a perpetual co-dependency with their parents.
I’m not here to argue gentle parenting. I’m more in favor of moderation - taking what works and leaving what doesn’t, rather than these extreme pendulum swings to avoid repeating our parents’ mistakes.
TLDR. Crack the damn whip. That’s a major violation and embarrassment on your entire family that your kid acted that way. I’m sorry you have to deal with it.
CynfullyDelicious@reddit
I was bullied relentlessly in from 2nd through 6th grade at the religious private school I was forced to attend (Conservative Judaism, nothing like Fundie Whackjob indoctrination), and brought my kiddo up to understand how wrong bullying was and that I had a zero tolerance policy about it - I would go scorched Earth if she was ever a victim or if she ever did that to someone. She had a good grip on it.
Narrator: She did not, in fact, have a grip on it.
Found out when I called the mother of one of her friends to find out if she was coming to Kiddo’s 13th birthday party, only to be read the riot act about how Kiddo had sent her daughter several horrible texts from her friend Bianca’s mobile attacking the girl about her looks, her clothes, you name it.
In a nutshell, I was horrified. If my mom had gotten news like that about me, my ass would have looked like a candy cane from the lines dad’s belt would have left.
Although my initial reaction was to wear out her behind, I kept it together and hit her where it really hurt:
She had wanted a mobile phone for ages, and I had told her: When you’re thirteen. The plan was for it to be her birthday present. We still had the party, but instead of the phone, she found out her little stunt meant that she had to wait another year to have a mobile phone.
And I stuck to my word. She later said it was the longest year of her life, having to wait it out. But I made my point, and she promised it would never happen again.
Narrator: And she did, in fact, keep her promise.
Lesson learned on that one. Wasn’t the last time she fucked up and paid a steep price, but that one was the worst. Thank the Goddesses above.
Cronus6@reddit
How old?
Elementary and middle school? I'd have been "paddled" and probably given detentions and possibly a suspension (3 or 5 days).
I would have gotten my ass beat when I got home if in elementary school as well. And grounded. And God knows what else.
Middle school? Grounded and lost access to my computer (yeah I had a computer back in the 80's. TRS80 CoCo and/or Commodore 64) and Atari, Intellivision etc.
My mom once grounded me for an entire year for getting arrested in 8th grade. (Criminal mischief, vandalism and carrying a concealed weapon were the charges.)
High School? Suspended possibly expelled (I was always very close to getting expelled, and was expelled my 12th grade year.). Probably 5 or 10 day suspension. And a good chance my teacher would have smacked me when I said "bitch".
Home? Nothing. My mom had pretty much given up by that point. And I had a job and shit to go to. By 10th grade I was pretty much "on my own" while still living at home.
youve_got_moxie@reddit
I’d be picking my teeth out of my shit. My mother was abusive.
Now, I guess I’d take away everything that runs on batteries or electricity. No phone, tv, games, nothing. Not even an AM/FM radio. No extracurriculars. Supervised use of laptop for school only. Take your notes on paper and transcribe at home. I would send him with a note for every other teacher that explains why my little turd does not have laptop access and tough shit if that results in some poor grades- they are not expected to make concessions or supervise kid at this time because they have enough to do, and he will just have to figure it out. Written apology read in front of class- you call her a bitch in front of everyone, you apologize in front of everyone. Finally, for wasting my time and making me hover over him like a shit fly while he does homework on the computer, 💻 lol some intensive weekend housework while I relax with a book.
I will be damned if my son calls a woman a bitch while she is doing her job and doesn’t deeply regret it.
Film_Focus@reddit
If that was in my household, they’d be grounded from breathing! 😂 Taking phone and Xbox is too much? WTF! I’d go and cut the fing electrical plug off the Xbox after something like that!
DragYouDownToHell@reddit
I remember I did you a worse expletive to a female gym coach at my HS once. My coach of course was required to talk to me after class of course. He confirmed that yes she was, but I wasn't allowed to call her that in school. End of story.
mosinderella@reddit
Gentle parenting is going to be the downfall of society. It’s not too late to get a spine and demand respect. It probably won’t be a quick or enjoyable road, but it’s possible. Try to save him while you still can. You’re not even remotely preparing him to be an adult now. And frankly, that’s on you.
WillDupage@reddit
I’d have been sent to a mental hospital because if I’d done that, my brain was obviously broken.
But seriously, Car privileges: gone. Phone privileges: gone. Extracurricular activities: gone. Friends: would forget what I look like. Anything fun: a distant memory. Whatever the dean would settle on as punishment my parents would have said: double it.
35 years later it would be still hanging over my head.
Seriously, the lack of respect is not good.
Excellent_Vehicle_45@reddit
I’m on the run because my father would have killed me. Or one of my coaches or a neighbor. What are you going to do?? I would go to school and watch him apologize. Turn his life into 1983. You don’t have a cellphone or internet. The soft parenting doesn’t work!!
Ok-Championship4270@reddit
My ass would have been handed to me. I would have just made the most of it and would have played hooky,stayed our past curfew and everything. I would have been in trouble anyway,might as well take advantage of it.
Accomplished-B@reddit
What grade? Elementary, I would have got the belt. Middle school I would have been grounded from all things. High school, I would have had detention and either i signed the paper for my parents or the cool band mom would have... as long as the superintendent did not get word, my parents wouldn't have known a thing
Techelife@reddit
Take the phone, leave the X
ibis_mummy@reddit
Have a look at r/teachers. I read student essays for a living. It's bad out there.
notevenapro@reddit
Your son is an asshole. Own it.
ZebraBorgata@reddit
I was way to frightened to do anything close to that.
zenlittleplatypus@reddit
I don't know what would have happened. The suggestion I was given is that whatever it was, it was so horrible it hadn't been named; and it kept me mostly on the straight and narrow.
My parents didn't hesitate to hit when I back talked, and once I got knocked over backward out of a rocking chair and smacked my head hard on the floor - but I wasn't beaten. They were also very emotionally neglectful.
But the really shitty punishments were ones you didn't want to invoke.
NuclearFamilyReactor@reddit
My parents were the Gen X equivalent of the gentle parent - the neglectful parents. First of all, I did all kinds of stuff to get into trouble and was always told by school administrators that I “look like such a nice girl” (translation - nerd) and that there was no need for any kind of calling of the parents or anything. Also my parents didn’t believe in grounding as that sounds like work for them, and they’d rather have me out of the house anyway. I didn’t get an allowance to take away. So true answer? Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch.
Waste-Airport9292@reddit
Being a shitass whisperer is hard. Especially having being raised by a generation that had three modes of parenting: neglect, screaming at you, and escalating to beat downs.
cooperstonebadge@reddit
Stand up to authorities.
crystalcastles13@reddit
I would’ve lost access to my car, been grounded, and would’ve had to endure at least a two hour conversation about “my behavior”
They also liked to threaten me with being sent to boarding school when I would really act out, I’d come home and the brochures for boarding schools in like Utah, Mass, somewhere far away would just be sitting on the coffee table in the living room.
Material_Disaster638@reddit
If I had done such crap my mom would have told the principal to paddle me Then when I got home I would be sent to get a suitable switch off the maple tree. If I was lucky mom would whip me Elsewise daddy would and his belt hurt a lot more than moms switch. I would also be forced to apologize to the teacher in front of the class the next day.
I treated my kids the same way. Children as a rule are animals until they are trained in right and wrong and like any animal talking seldom stops bad behavior.
MightyCaseyStruckOut@reddit
If my reasoning was not completely 1000000000% justified, my dad would have ground me into a pulp and then my mom would have thrown that pulp into the blender and liquified it.
Rob1150@reddit
Once my Dad found out... I shudder to think.
dragonbliss@reddit
I wouldn’t see the outside of my home or school for months. Would have had to quit sports or activities. Probably would have been required to write an apology if not apologize in front of the class or school.
Crazy parenting isn’t dead. A student at my teens school vaped in class. She was immediately expelled (private school) and the mom slapped the shit out of her in front of everyone in the locker area.
Told my kids I’d do the same fucking thing if they ever did something like that. Coming from a mom that is calm and controlled 98% of the time - that made for some shocked faces in my house.
ernurse748@reddit
My father, very matter of factly, told me and my brother around age 10 that if we ever did anything that forced a teacher to call he or my mother, that we should know we’d be sleeping in the garage on the floor for the next week. Got our attention and neither of us ever did anything to test him on this.
IBroughtWine@reddit
I would’ve been made to research what “bitch” means in the library, using the card catalog and encyclopedias, and write a report on it. Then I would have to write an apology letter to the teacher, volunteer to help her after school for the rest of the semester, and then I would be made to explain my behavior. Whatever bs I said would be used against me for a couple of months every time my circumstances put me in the position of the teacher and one of my parents in my position. Example: me: Can I throw some of my clothes in with yours?” Parent: cuts up my favorite shirt and calls me a name.
summonthegods@reddit
Honestly, I was so scared of my parents I wouldn’t have dreamed of doing anything even close to that.
Progshim@reddit
I actually went to juvie for exactly that. I was on probation already tho
earthgarden@reddit
I really think my old daddy would have put me in the hospital. One of my sisters, as a teen, called him a motherf!cker and he kicked her down the stairs. One of my brothers cussed out a teacher and my father beat him inside the school and halfway home. It would have been all the way but my brother got loose, ran away, and didn’t come home for 2 days.
There is NO WAY I would have dared to do anything remotely like that, nope.
Bornwestofthemtns@reddit
Anecdote only - no advice. The closest I came to something like this was when I was in 8th grade. My English teacher had us take turns reading aloud during class. Apparently I was especially good at it. Often she would tell me to continue even though it was somebody else’s turn. One day I got tired of it and (I swear) politely said, “No.” She loudly demanded to know why. I said I was tired and didn’t want to read aloud anymore that day. She said that she has to keep teaching us whether she is tired or not. I replied that it was her job and she got paid to do it and I didn’t. I was promptly sent to the principal’s office where I sat until next class. The principal told me I shouldn’t have said that but otherwise let it slide. My mother wasn’t called and no note was sent home.
I honestly don’t know what would have happened if my mother found out. She would often react violently because of brain tumors (that didn’t became apparent until later). For example, my sisters and I forgot to do a chore (clean out the pan cupboard). She threw each and every pan at us. We ran to our room and listened as they hit the walls and the doors. A while later we quietly emerged, washed all the pans and putting them away.
seigezunt@reddit
I think my dad would have asked the same thing I’d ask my kid:
So, how much of a bitch is this teacher?
supercalafatalistic@reddit
My ass woulda been shoveling snow with a spoon.
I got arrested while skipping school one day and my dad tried to convince them to hold me overnight. They had to harass my mom to come get me. I think I got tinnitus on that drive.
Cowboywizzard@reddit
Well, I did do that more than once. I got a beating until I was big enough to stand up to my dad. After that, other better adults helped me learn to control my anger.
theunixman@reddit
Hahah I did that in 3rd grade, I remember nothing for a week after because the principal had authorization to beat the shit out of me.
(I'm not advocating for corporal punishment, I am happy that kids now are safe doing this, but we could give them some better ways to cope...)
notjewel@reddit
Well, I’m 51 now and at 16 I did exactly what your son did at my all girls catholic prep school. The school “invited me to leave” which was essentially an expulsion unless we wanted to seek legal representation which we did not.
My parents were livid but I was completely lost. I’d been smoking pot a lot, not studying, not doing anything really except tv and going out with my pot smoking friends.
I was grounded and I started at public school which was a disaster. Didn’t last long there. Began having panic attacks and self harming.
Long road for recovery for me. Lots of mental health interventions that really aren’t available anymore (we’ve looked for my teenage daughter who’s experiencing similar struggles to me at that age).
Wish I had an easier answer. Sometimes discipline is the thing. Sometimes it’s not and you’ve got to keep digging deeper to address the cause of the behavior. Best to you guys!
_Sasquatchy@reddit
My mother smacked me with a telephone receiver across the face because I dared to talk on the phone while I was sweeping my bedroom floor... the one in the basement without finished walls and the concrete floor. Who the hell knows what shitstorm she would have dreamed up if I was a ill-behaved as your kid. I would have chewed my own arm off before I valled a teacher by anything other than their last name or sir/maam.
They wonder why I left at 16 and got emancipated and rarely visited until my 30s.
Sounds like you need to use the middle path, instead of the hands off gentle parenting style that just blew up in your face.
Fine_Comparison9812@reddit
Remove all his belongings except the bed sheets, remove his phone from your plan, and have the school send him to ISS.
Cats-n-Chaos@reddit
When I was in trouble or “sick” the administration would give us the phone to call our parent, I would call my boyfriend and say “hi dad” that was his cue to play along
JJQuantum@reddit
When kids do something wrong 3 things should happen:
You need to explain to them why what they did was wrong. If they don’t understand then it’s on you to explain it better until they do.
They need to be punished badly enough to convince them to not do it again. The phone and Xbox are a minimum and at least 2 weeks. Let him know you’ll double it next time and then double it again the next, and so on.
They need to atone for what they did to make it up to who they harmed, in this case the teacher. I’d get her but in but a 10 minute report on why teachers are important and the glowing history of this particular teacher, given in front of his class, sounds like a good idea.
tom-tildrum@reddit
My dad told me he was gonna mail my feet to the floor in my closet (what?!) to ensure I did my homework when I brought home a “B”.
I would be dead. Dead and buried if I did that.
Vandilbg@reddit
You'd get handed a jack knife and told to walk the mile down the road to the willow tree and to bring back a switch. Not a little leafy swishy thing either but a propper big as your thumb weeping willow switch. Lots of time to reflect on that walk. That's some good old fashion 3rd generation throw back shit reserved for severe fuck ups.
jprennquist@reddit
Educator here. The language has kind of degraded in high schools these days. So for OP I don't exactly think you are a doormat. I think your child has influences that are deeply impactful in their choices and those come from peers, from the culture around them, and media. Dress codes and use of language are kind of a different standard than what we had. Many other standards such as around personal responsibility are different, too. But the way kids talk and their generally extremely casual attitude about what to wear and being places on time and such are the really jarring differences that a Gen Xer would notice right away in a school setting. That said, his behavior is completely unacceptable because it was directed at a teacher and he was also acting like a little child by tearing up the paper.
Many educators today are Millennials or even Gen Z. They generally make good teachers, they have some good strategies for teaching the material and they work fairly well with the teens of today. I see the grades and the test scores and honestly I am serious that they are generally good teachers. But they don't even always register if the kid says a swear word or they wear a hat or ripped jeans or something like that. Also, they tend to empathize with a student who thinks they need to be constantly checking their phone every time it beeps or vibrates because they don't know what it is like to spend 6 or 7 hours without a smartphone. r
Regardless of your thoughts on that, the problem here is the disrespect to the teacher and just how immature the outburst was.
The punishment should be significant, should last some noticeable period of time, and it should be sustainable by the parents. For example, maybe the student has phone access and this is for safety and etc. If you feel you can't take away the phone then you can install an app to adjust permissions for the smartphone features, etc. You can also track the location. I am aware this is not very Gen X of us. But I also got into a lot of bad situations with some of my freedoms.
Make him do his homework. Nearly every school has a technology portal where you can check if his work is getting done or not. You don't need to "helicopter" to the teacher constantly asking if he did something. But you can check if it is turned in and graded in many cases. "Did you get all of your homework in today?" And then follow up with, "Great, let me just check on the app to make sure the teacher received it ..." This is a really simple process that doesn't require a bunch of shouting and tantrums.
Maybe he has a certain standard for academics that you expect and if he meets the standard that week then he can temporarily earn back a privilege over the weekend. Go to a football game or something like that. I think the Xbox and the smartphone stays away for awhile.
Other sustainable punishments around the use of the game system and/or the TV. Can you switch off the WiFi when you are away? How about overnight while you are sleeping and etc? Not everyone can but that is a thought. My mom would literally take a scissors and cut the power cord off of the TV. I bet I'm not even the only Gen Xer who dealt with that kind of thing.
My mom would also beat and spank us and I don't do that to my kids. Whether it was abusive then according to the standards of the time is debatable. We know more now and it doesn't seem to produce desired results over the long run. And it can produce some really bad results.
Maybe you don't snip the ends off of the cables like my mom did, but I think you can take the cords for the Xbox and those are easier to secure than the whole game system. Put them in the trunk of your car or someplace that he literally cannot access if you happen to be away at work. Smart TV? Nope. Take the power cord or even pull out the ethernet cable or fire stick, etc. Check out PBS kids for awhile if you want to watch TV. Maybe you'll learn something.
It sounds like your child will benefit from some counseling. Also some kind of restorative process with the teacher. Forcing them to do some kind of immediate "pretend" apology seems like a great idea but a more meaningful response is to have them invest in learning about just how nasty their behavior was and providing an authentic apology instead. Maybe in addition to the initial letter or whatever. Spend actual time considering their mistakes and then have an actual honest conversation where they truly acknowledge their faults.
Tutoring might also be warranted. Sometimes kids have these blow ups because they feel vulnerable or stupid because they don't know how to do the work. So they blame it on somebody else.
The behavior is awful but I do see things like this on a periodic basis. Definitely once a week or so in our school of about 1,000 students. Sorry you are going through this. Hopefully you can get out ahead of it now.
LachlanGurr@reddit
Hey social worker, ex youth worker here who took these kids on after this kind of thing happened. What would have happened at home if I did that then is the same thing that should happen now. Loss of all privileges, shit loads of extra chores, letters of apology and possible expulsion. The things is that it's not enough. They have to accept the worst consequence which is to have to do therapy and talk about why it happened. Nobody wants to do that. That was a big party is the program I worked at, manual labor and serious talk about real things. We turned violent young men around and kept them out of jail and we did it with girl boundaries and a gentle caring hand. Also, at the school I went to, I would have been whacked in the arse with a cane not that was for the administration's enjoyment.
Your son would benefit from a specialised education program, the school system breaks kids. Less students makes all the difference. There might be one suitable in your area.
Nervous-Visit-791@reddit
I would be eating standing up for a long time and I would only see my four walls for months.
Roguefem-76@reddit
Whoever told you that needs to go f themselves. He's lucky you don't give his phone and Xbox to charity and make him get a job to pay for new ones.
FoundationAny7601@reddit
Detention on a Saturday
thatguygreg@reddit
Hell, I was kicked out of the car left to walk a couple miles home in my little league baseball uniform in the rain after calling my little brother a jerk on the ride home.
If I pulled something like that in school, I would've been nothing but a smudge in my bedroom carpet after they were done.
Early-Tumbleweed-563@reddit
My mom would have had an aneurysm. She would have told the school to punish me as they saw fit (probably would have been put on the Clean Team, which spent an hour or so after school every day doing stuff like cleaning chalkboards, cleaning up graffiti, and scraping gum from the bottom of tables and desks.). Then would come the grounding: if I was old enough to drive, been only able to drive to and from school. No going out with friends. Only time out of the house would be for school, church, and somewhere with my mom. This would have been for at least 2 weeks. Oh, I would be able to go to my grandma’s - but would be forced to wash her walls, do yard work, clean out the basement. Possibly would have forbidden me from using the phone. It would have depended on her mood.
RichardPryor1976@reddit
If I did there would not be enough left of me for a funeral ... But ... For you, I wouldn't worry too much. Maybe his teacher is a bitch ... Lol ... But I'm sure you're going to talk to him and find out what's going on.
This too shall pass.
Just keep him away from any guns.
Duckguy68@reddit
Here’s what would have happened: my parents would have sat in class with me. It would have been more humiliating to me than any punishment I could have imagined. They would have sat right next to me, quietly and respectfully maybe even participating in class just to set an example for what the expectation was. It would have destroyed me. I would never live it down.
DavePHofJax@reddit
I would not be reading this in the physical state that I am.
LoanSudden1686@reddit
Of course I'd be unalived and disassembled and scattered to the 4 winds.
But we're better than our parents. We've learned that we need to heal the trauma our inner child endured; we've read about the different phases and stages of childhood growth; we've met needs that we didn't get; we learned to fit the punishment to the crime, and to actually actively listen to our kids.
So I'd be asking the kid for all the steps leading up to their outburst. Punishment after that depends entirely.
tranquilrage73@reddit
I would have been beaten bloody. And then grounded for at least a year.
analyticalchem@reddit
If I did that there could have been a funeral.
deedeejayzee@reddit
I'm not sure what would have happened, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have seen it coming and that I would be 6ft under
Ninothesloth@reddit
I consider myself a zillenial but technically I am gen Z, and I have younger gen X parents. Also my mom recently became a social worker. Let me tell you I would’ve been cooked. I would’ve had my phone taken away, made to quit my extracurriculars possibly and my parents would’ve of made me write a letter apologizing to the teacher. If I was younger I would’ve gotten spanked. Gen alpha is cooked tbh.
nadine258@reddit
i got punished for not ratting out a sibling for drinking and i did more time than they did although i didn’t get the crap kicked out of me in front of friends and didn’t have to go to school with black eyes….where the teachers looked at said sibling and just nodded….sooo the extra time makes sense. anyhoo not advocating beating the crap out of your child op but if i did that id bet id be six feet under. hold your ground. you can be gentle and hold the ground without incurring trauma
inhelldorado@reddit
The things I imagine would have or could have happened are enough to give me extreme anxiety, just from the thought of the resulting trauma.
I am a much gentler parent than my parents were. We still have this issue, even with very strict screen time restrictions, generally, and the threat of “grounding.” There is a difference between a gentle that is spineless and a gentle that doesn’t violate child protection laws. It would be nice to know where that line falls with more clarity. I heard someone mention the other day that behavior change is the result of finding something of more value than yourself or what you believe being the catalyst for behavior change. I don’t know how you instill those kinds of ideas when most of what kids seem to see in culture these days is entitled behavior without just consequences. It used to be the finding out part of messing around was enough to make you think twice.
Birds_arent_real444@reddit
Id have had to go get the stick from the corner of the garage and sit with it in my room until my dad got home and beat me with it- only after a talking to about how it'll hurt him more than me- then I'd have been grounded to my room for months probably- I'd have had to apologize to my teacher in front of the class...
tetsu_no_usagi@reddit
Um, wow. I'm not saying we need to go back to beating our kids (my dad was a minister, and while he didn't use a belt, he did have an anger management problem and swatted me and my sibling enough) but not grounding our kids away from their entertainment devices for misbehaving is how we get kids calling teachers bitches in front of the whole class. If there are no repercussions for our actions, that's called anarchy.
Dog1andDog2andMe@reddit
OP, Who said that was extreme? I work in education and am regularly in schools and most teachers would want the parent to take swift, firm action that works to have the kid stop. It's the admins who are all about being weak-willed and letting kids get away with everything ... then wondering why teachers and other staff are getting out of the field.
dooderino18@reddit
I'm guessing it was the OP's kid.
everyoneinside72@reddit
I would have never been seen again.
Fishermansgal@reddit
My mom would have beat my ass, even as a teenager. She was a SAHM. There was no getting around her.
YellowBreakfast@reddit
I hear that "Blue states" are allowing abortion after birth, perhaps some allow up to about 200 months after?
Remarkable-Moose-409@reddit
I would’ve had to publicly apologize and explain why said teacher deserved respect. To understand that, I would’ve been severely restricted in my life until I submitted to some hard lesson to learn what respect IS. I feel for ya….
BigDigger324@reddit
I would still be walking with a limp at 49 if I pulled that kind of crap. Not condoning that particular method but your game plan to cut off devices for a length of time sounds perfect. I would definitely include an apology letter, delivered by hand in person and accompanied by a sincere apology in person. Bonus points if you make him do it in front of the class. He was cool enough to call her a bitch in front of them right?
GloomyGal13@reddit
I was that child. An my single parent mom - well, what could she do?
Talk to me. Tell me she loves me, tells me it’s not always necessary to listen to authority figures, but WTF did I do that for? (broke a doorway window punching other kid).
Ask him for an explanation. Don’t expect much of one, but keep on gentle parent asking until you get one. It might not be what we consider a ‘good reason’, but it might be valid to him. Acknowledge his feelings. Talk about respect. Tell him the whole school system is going to hell, but he’s in a relatively good one, and you don’t want him to screw up his future.
(Teacher hadn’t arrived yet. I broke the window to punch a boy because he locked me out of homeroom. If I was caught ‘late’ for homeroom again, I was going to get a week detention. Everyone knew it, so he tried to make it happen. I admitted to it as soon as the teacher appeared, and said I’d pay for it. We weren’t rich, I was really lucky they only charged me for the glass. Or a token amount, probably.)
I was suspended from class for a day, and had to pay to replace the window. Came out of my allowance. Lucky me, it only cost $15 back in 1982, but my allowance was $20 a month. Quite the hit.
I suggest you talk to your teen about their reaction - about controlling anger, about how little rages can cause huge problems later in life.
As for what to do now? We can’t take away their phones - that’s like cutting off their fingers, eyes and ears at this point. I’d add chores. Dishes. Garbage. Mowing. Clean the bathroom. Whatever the child isn’t/hasn’t done yet.
Just keep talking. My teen son is an introvert. I just keep talking anyways. Sometimes he wanders into the room, where I’m at, and just tells me things. Then leaves. It’s better than nothing. And I tell him ALL THE TIME (because I ran away ALOT) if he’s mad at me, he’s still safer at home. No need to leave. Go for a walk if you want, but come home. This is YOUR HOME as much as it is mine. Yes, I’m the adult, my rules, but one of the responsibilities I have as a parent it to ensure his safety as much as possible. You can hate me in your room with all your stuff easier than you can wondering where you’re going to sleep that night.
I even told him he doesn’t have to talk to me if he’s mad. Just wait a day, and it passes, and then we can talk. Worked for us twice so far.
His teen years are SO DIFFERENT from mine. But he’s still a kid. Testing boundaries
I wish you both the best. Let us know how it goes! :)
Desperate-Rip-2770@reddit
My grandparents raised me - they were born in 1916, had bootlegged and had lots of adventures when they were young.
They'd have let me explain, then if I had a good enough reason, they'd have just let it go. They were great.
I had a low bar to meet - go to school, get good grades, don't give them a hard time, don't get pregnant - everything else was fine as long as you could explain why you did it.
baconcheeseburgarian@reddit
I feared God spiritually but if He took earthly form mom would fuck him up too.
polyrhetor@reddit
I’m assuming this is 100% a dumb TikTok thing. Search for “ripping up homework.”
SweetNSourCat@reddit
I’d have become an indentured slave cleaning the whole house until it could pass a white glove test.
I would have preferred murder.
QuiJon70@reddit
My mom was a teacher i would be toast. And frankly this current idea of "gentle parenting" is complete bullshit. A parent TELLS their child what is appropriate conduct not negotiate what is OK. And yes it is a parents job to make sure the child is punished for the bad conduct in a fashion that will dissuade future conduct.
Personally if one of my kids pulled this bullshit, his phone and games would be gone. He would have to redo the work he destroyed and then write a full expository essay as to why his conduct was inappropriate which culminated with an apology to his teacher and class. And when, and only when, he got dressed up in his Sunday best and read his essay and apology to the class (which i would come to school and view) would he get his games and phone back.
Frosty_Smile8801@reddit
Breakfast club.
then i would do 10th grade two times then halfway through the third dropout and join the army and then meet my wife in germany and live happily ever after.
Or i would have got the paddle from the VP. Or both.
mailahchimp@reddit
Suspended by school. Instantly. Parents probably would have moved me to another school. Repetitive lectures about what a dickhead I was.
OnionTruck@reddit
The stopped paddling by the time I was a teen but if it happened in elementary school, I would have had the paddle in the principal's office.
By the time I was a teen it would have been something along the lines of 3-5 days in-school suspension. My parent would take away my Atari and Colecovision consoles for at least a week and I'd have to apologize to the teacher in front of the class with the principal present. My parent was a teacher and would not tolerate this behavior but they stopped hitting me by the time I got out of elementary school.
QuiJon70@reddit
My mom was a teacher i would be toast. And frankly this current idea of "gentle parenting" is complete bullshit. A parent TELLS their child what is appropriate conduct not negotiate what is OK. And yes it is a parents job to make sure the child is punished for the bad conduct in a fashion that will dissuade future conduct.
Personally if one of my kids pulled this bullshit, his phone and games would be gone. He would have to redo the work he destroyed and then write a full expository essay as to why his conduct was inappropriate which culminated with an apology to his teacher and class. And when, and only when, he got dressed up in his Sunday best and read his essay and apology to the class (which i would come to school and view) would he get his games and phone back.
therealgookachu@reddit
I called a teacher a fucking bitch when I was 10. I was literally the smallest person in my class (I think I was was maybe 4' tall), and the teacher was 6'6" and known to be violent with other children. The teacher grabbed me and yanked me out of class, threw me into a desk and proceeded to yell at me. I think he was trying to intimidate me. He failed. He then bodily dragged me to the principal's office.
For some reason, the absurdity of it made my parents laugh, and I never got in trouble.
KittenWhispersnCandy@reddit
Here's shivel as you begin to put him under the school.
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psiprez@reddit
Stickin it to the man!
juliettecake@reddit
First off, don't try to reason with someone who isn't reasonable. WTF, gentle parenting. First off, 30 minutes on a phone with a teacher. That conversation should have been short and simple. Apologize. Find out what needs to happen to make it right.
Have your son sit down. There is no need for you to sit. This conversation won't take that long. Repeat what the teacher needs to make it right. Add that your son must increase grade in that class to an A. If he doesn't, you will accompany him to each and every class until he has straight As in all classes. (FYI, my silent gen Mom used this to get my brother to graduate high school. It worked)
Feel free to be creative as a parent. I found dancing and singing in public in Target to be the fastest way to stop my kids from fighting in public.
I repeat again. Do not reason with someone who is not reasonable.
TheHandofDoge@reddit
I wouldn’t be living on this planet anymore.
In all seriousness, I would have been grounded for at least a couple of months and had all of my privileges taken away. It would have been home-school-home-chores-bed, rinse and repeat. My only entertainment would be reading a book in my bedroom.
yolonomo5eva@reddit
I wouldn’t have seen anything outside my room for months, I know that!
SirkutBored@reddit
no, it's just not, and this is why.
room, no electronics only books, minimum month, apology letter.
auntiecoagulent@reddit
Grounding from devices it "too extreme?" Is someone nuts.
That's exactly what he needs. Electronics blackout and writing a sincere letter of apology to the teacher.
Maybe if he spends a few weeks in the house with just books to read, he can figure out why his behavior was unacceptable.
hippiechick12345@reddit
Fear would have kept me from doing it in the first place, but if I'd had a moment of temporary insanity and done something like that, I would have been a milk carton kid and no one would EVER find me because what was left of me would have ended up in the woods near our house that is now protected wetlands.
DookieBowler@reddit
This isn’t even close to the bullshit that went on in the schools I went to. Granted I would get my ass kicked when I got home but odds were that would happen regardless.
yolonomo5eva@reddit
I would not be here today! My mom was a teacher. I wouldn’t have even tried. Just to reiterate- there would be a gravestone over me right now if I had.
DearGabbyAbby@reddit
My parents would’ve been very disappointed in me and given me that look. Both would be very grim and say I should apologize and do any chores to help my teacher for at least a month. They would only suggest, but I knew if I didn’t then I would’ve really let them down more.
My parents stopped spanking me when I turned 12. They never took away belongings, sent me to my room or restricted me. Although for such an egregious action, I’m sure if there was a friend’s birthday party coming up, I wouldn’t be able to go.
MadPiglet42@reddit
I would still have visible bruises.
Strangewhine88@reddit
Have them hold a sign up at the entrance to the football stadium that says ‘I was rude and disruptive at school and am learning that words and actions have conseqences’ during the next home game. Stay there to make sure they stay there. Then make them do chores for you or someone in the community for the same number of hours they disrupted the class and you in order for you to deal with the problem.
Give them a book to read. Crime and Punishment is always fun. No electronics.
13_Years_Then_Banned@reddit
I threw an English book at the teachers head from across the room.
He was apparently joking about sending me to the office about my 5th tardy as I was closing the door when the bell was ringing.
As if sailed by his head and hit the blackboard he said I was joking about sending you to the office but now you can really go.
Had to graduate 6 months later after making up his class in summer school.
Forsaken-Form7221@reddit
I wouldn’t have seen the light of day until I went to college.
Moonsmom181@reddit
You’d be able to go to college? I think I’d still be at some illegal work camp.
hairballcouture@reddit
Grounded: Indefinitely.
dfh-1@reddit
Italian mother. Irish father.
You'd never find the body.
RNH213PDX@reddit
Everything my very well respected parents would have done to me in the 80s was wrong, so I'm not sure that's a good standard. I wasn't acting out in a vacuum, and I wish someone would have cared rather than punished. At that age, I certainly didn't know how to advocate for myself, which wasn't really allowed for kids back then anyway. So, I was pretty much left to feel that I was bad and a problem (and treated that way by adults), which made me feel more alienated not less. So, that's my experience. Wouldn't recommend it.
Petster2@reddit
I was taught by nuns in the 70’s. This would have never happened. I never had kids and I pity and am in awe of you that were brave enough to do so.
dethb0y@reddit
My mother probably would not have given a shit, she had her own stuff going on.
That said i'm surprised he even has paper to tear up - my 12 y/o niece is all digital, no paper.
raisinghellwithtrees@reddit
This is what I was thinking. My mom alternated being strict and being neglectful, but I don't think she would give a crap what was done at school, as long as I maintained straight As.
For my own kid, I'd have to know why they did this action, but we homeschool so it's kind of a moot point.
dethb0y@reddit
Mother didn't even care if i got A's, so long as i passed. Since i was the first born (by a decade!) it was expected I would graduate as a role model; beyond that she could have cared less. Interestingly enough of the 4 of her children, 2 dropped out.
And, yeah i honestly would be very curious what the motivation behind doing this was. It seems pretty off the hook behavior, and kind of drastic. I've rarely seen a kid act out in that extreme a manner out of the blue.
raisinghellwithtrees@reddit
My mom was a dropout but for all of her neglect, she was always strict with grades. But just for me and not my brother. I once was chewed out for bringing home 6 As and 1 A-, and no my mom is not Asian.
AncientRazzmatazz783@reddit
Bloodshed, likely an untimely death. Taking away phone and Xbox not extreme. Phone - he needs to obviously improve his in person social skills and no phone will help him do that. No Xbox bc in the real world there would’ve been more consequences- like a lost job or possible arrest so he needs the kid equivalent consequence. I didn’t let my son’s therapist do that to me either. Yeah no.
WillowFreak@reddit
What else is going on? Is he normally like this? What is going on in class? So many things to consider before we can answer the question.
wellbloom@reddit
You do realize you can say bitch on the Internet? :)
memoryshuffle@reddit
Is your son Jordon Catalano? He sounds like a little drama queen. Perhaps you should encourage him to try out for the school play and tell him to keep his performances on the stage.
Mouse-Direct@reddit
My son goes to a private school. This was would be an automatic expulsion from the school. He would then find himself in a the public school nearest us with arrests every day and holes in the floors. He would also be without phone, Switch, crappy DS he still owns, hell, I’d even hide the broken WII-U.
Did he do this because the teacher was punitive, the assignment was racist or something ist, because he’s struggling academically, or because he’s young and doesn’t yet understand cause and effect?
Kiwikid14@reddit
I don't know as I was far too afraid of my mother to ever dare try anything like it.
But at the least, no devices, no electricity for a week (the bedrooms were on individual circuits and it was cold), and having the shape of the vacuum cleaner permanently indented on my arse.
YouKleptoHippieFreak@reddit
Yikes. I wouldn't have done it because... fear of parental retribution. But had I been so stupid, I would have been restricted to my home, with no TV, phone, friends, anything. I'd have been allowed to go to school, then I'd have come home and done A LOT of tedious chores. Like, scrubbing the grout in the bathroom with a toothbrush until I revived it's decades-ago luster. Because (their thinking) if I had enough energy to cuss out a teacher, I could channel that energy to something worthwhile. Finally, I would have had to write a long, heartfelt apology to the teacher and the principal and I would have been forced to read it in front of other students. (Absolutely no wiggle room on this.)
If my daughter did this, I would do the same. We *would* have a long conversation. Probably multiple long conversations. I do want her perspective, but we'd also have to talk seriously about handling anger and frustration, as well as choices and consequences. Then I'd do what my parents would have done, but with today's tech, and chores for my home.
Anyway, that's me. Taking away your kid's privileges and beloved things is just the start. I'd have some real accountability measures. People saying that losing his Xbox and phone are extreme are contributing to the problem of no accountability. I get that they're not "natural consequences," but for teens, I think losing the things they value most is really important.
Live_Bar9280@reddit
My Mother would’ve beat my a:: senseless. Made me write a paper 10,000 lines long repeating, “I will respect my teachers and not swear at them. “ Then after all the weekends it took me to write that paper she would verify and if I didn’t write 10,000 lines worth she’d make me write even more. If I didn’t complete right the first time she would sit me down, asked me if I learned my lesson then tear up the papers in front of me.
gatekeeper28@reddit
My dad would’ve slapped me into next Tuesday. Clearly you can see that “gentle parenting” is not working here, and he is developing issues with authority. You must re-establish your authority, and you don’t have to slap him around.
The phone is the key. Go online and suspend service on his number… it’s so simple to do! No texts, no calls, no data. Tell him his activity on his computer is being monitored (even if it’s not). You’re cutting him off from his friends… the very people he’s trying to impress with his rebellion.
You can also go into all of your tv streaming services and force him to log in to his own profile, which you can conveniently limit to shows for 12 and under. If he can’t begin behaving like a young man, he can go back to elementary school with the other children.
As for the game box… remove it and put it far away, possibly forever. It’s a fantasy world with no real consequences.
itlookslikeSabotage@reddit
Getting creative with a punishment is another way to go. Respect and empathy is what he lacks as his action showed. I wonder what would change his thinking?
RG1527@reddit
back then the school would have asked for permission to spank you - parents would say yes and then when you got home you got it again ,plus like grounded to your room (with no tv, cell phone or computer) in between doing menial tasks of bullshit your parents were too lazy to do.
Necessary_Range_3261@reddit
I would have gotten my ass beat at school and then again at home.
rahah2023@reddit
GenX mom here - my daughter is 26 now but dang was she willful & stubborn & thought she knew Everything…
I could handle most of it and gave her a lot of freedom bc this kind of kid typically becomes today’s leaders so I didn’t want to squash her but dang she was tough
One rule I always held was no lying and a few times she was an excessive liar… as a result we started with the phone and that didn’t work so we followed friends of ours and we emptied her room.
She had a mattress on the floor- with sheets and all… but no furniture & nothing else. She was 14, I brought her an outfit every morning- toiletries stayed in the bathroom
It was a ton of work on us parents and in the end felt like a bigger burden to us parents for all the added work- she was able to earn things back as she rebuilt our trust.
Things went fine after this till she was 17 and we found pot in her room and took the door off her room till she left for college that time.
She is 26 and a fabulous leader and human and wonderful daughter- president of her sorority and 3 college internships and great career out of college and owns her own house
I think being in the punishment with her was a big part of the success- in a weird way
ExploreTrails@reddit
I would have been grounded which is the equivalent of taking away the phone and changing the password to the internet. Stop being a floormat.
Warning he will loose his mind. Ignore it, he fucked up.
MizzGee@reddit
I would have been grounded. No tv privileges, no friends, no fun. I wouldn't have been able to audition for any plays. It would have been existing extracurricular activities then home. Homework done at the kitchen table where I could be watched. Weekends at my grandmother's or great aunts helping them. Actions have consequences.
I would have done the same thing to my kid 15 years ago. No phone, no video games. He would have had to do extra chores, help an elderly neighbor with yard work. Study where we could see him. No fun.
sabereater@reddit
If my kid did that, he’d be in therapy, all devices would be gone, he’d be grounded and doing hard labor around the house, and he’d have to write a sincere apology letter to the teacher.
Hollayo@reddit
My parents would have yelled at me, and I def would be grounded and doing all the chores. Even doing made up chores. And holy shit the ass-whippin, oof.
Eventually though, Dad would ask, "well, was the teacher being a bitch?". I'd be honest b/c by that point I'd be too tired to be creative enough to lie.
High school was all about getting to graduation, because we all knew I was going to the Army.
Blossom1111@reddit
I would have been expelled. Catholic girls school. Zero tolerance. I will say though, that would never have crossed my mind to do something so disrespectful Good lord. What was so upsetting that led to the outburst?
Old_Introduction7236@reddit
I'd have been paddled by the teacher, then the principal, then when I got home I'd have been waiting on a belt-whoopin' from my dad till HE got home from work.
I probably would have been grounded from TV and video games until the next report card.
TheQuadBlazer@reddit
Everyone I went to school with was like that. But it was a school for kids with emotional problems.
My emotional problem was that I skipped 9th grade.
Steam23@reddit
My dad would have meted out the punishment and I’d have pretended not to care. My mom would have been disappointed and it would have destroyed me
escapism_only_please@reddit
We trained our kids to be seen and heard. We told them to not simply do whatever any adult tells them to do. Every once in a while this is going to be the outcome.
My lovely daughter called her teacher a bitch in high school once. They sent her to a troublemaker school for about a year. She loved it.
Round_Bus1488@reddit
I would be in some kind of time warp because my mom would have smacked me into the middle of last week.
Wise_Sprinkles4772@reddit
I wouldn't be alive. Seriously.
Candygramformrmongo@reddit
If not suspensionm then a month of detentions, getting gated (not allowed to leave school grounds) for month or so, Saturday Evening Punishment (having to run laps of a square (basically a 5K), but the worst part would be my parents. Dad would be in orbit, screaming at me. Walkman would have been crushed. Tapes and and magazines all thrown out. Shouting lectures every night.
Cowboy_Corruption@reddit
Gone. Everything gone. All my privileges. All my free time. All my ability to interact and communicate with my friends cut off. Allowance stopped. Forget a curfew - I would have been given a baloney sandwich and some milk and then sent to take a very short bath or shower before getting in bed by 5 o'clock. My weekend would be nothing but chores from sunup to sundown, and I would be thrilled that the weekend ended.
Usually the punishment would have only lasted a couple months. I know my parents were miserable all that time, and that made them make me even more miserable. I would have preferred being beaten. And it wouldn't have changed the fact that I would have had to apologize to the teacher and taken my licks at school on top of it all.
cheweduptoothpick@reddit
I would have been beaten and grounded with no privileges at all.
riftwave77@reddit
Military school. Even if my parents didn't beat the tar out of me, acting out like that would have probably gotten me expelled.
Busy-Advantage1472@reddit
Five years from now, do you want a good relationship with your son or the knowledge he got an "A" in English? Work on the relationship and the rest will follow. I raised 4 kids into responsible adults. Learn to listen and try to have conversations. When voices go up, take a break. Respect goes both ways. Always call your kids what you want them to be. Want a dumbass? Never say it. If you're going to talk about something he did wrong, mention several things you're proud of him for. Good luck.
Pantokraterix@reddit
I would have been grounded.
dicemonkey@reddit
how the hell is loss of phone and game use Extreme ? ...in what world ?
Ambitious_Lead693@reddit
I didn't ever get hit of anything, but i lived (well, still do tbh) with a crippling anxiety and fear of disappointing my mom. I'm not sure i would have even got a real punishment, just a disapproving look from mom that would have me in tears for a month. Dad would avoid me, sister would mock me, and I'd apologize profusely to everyone involved. And honestly I'd mean it.
Mysterious-Dealer649@reddit
I mean are we talking 13 or 17 cuz it matters? Without writing a book by teenager years especially it would have been basically like getting in trouble in the military. Thrown in the brig for a while and scrubbing the house with toothbrushes and I will agree with some others probably had to apologize to the teacher
JEStucker@reddit
I would have had a "lost time" experience. I'd have gone home, seen my parents, and then blackness, and I've have come out of it a week later, apologizing to the teacher and sitting in class as my dad would have "knocked me into next week" for being a dipshit.
gdgardenlanterns@reddit
My father was a staunch advocate of corporal punishment. Myself or my siblings would have never dared to talk back to an authority figure. Can’t say we were actually taught to respect adults, but we sure the hell did. As a parent of a teen myself, this behavior would absolutely never be tolerated. Problem at school? Come tell me about it. I’ll ask questions and get to the bottom of it. I’ll call a meeting, whatever. I will not have my child acting like a disrespectful punk to an authority figure. I can’t help but feel that this gentle parenting is a huge mistake.
NevDot17@reddit
The r/teacher subreddit would like to talk to you.
I'm sorry...gentle parent is bullshit for a lot of kids.
prettybirdie_714@reddit
I would not have lived tbh
VeterinarianOk9199@reddit
I threw a jar of paste when I was in kindergarten, and my mom worked in the school library. Never, ever disrespected anything or anyone at school again after that. I knew from the look on my mom’s face when she walked into our room to get me I had cooked my 5-year-old goose. I was afraid of my mom, who had a very quick temper and no qualms about hurting your “feelings”. One look and your soul left your body!
DancesWithCybermen@reddit
I would have been put in a straight jacket and committed to a psych hospital.
Get this kid into treatment. Something is profoundly wrong.
this-is-some_BS@reddit
Pretty sure I'd be in some type of military uniform within a month.
mentaljewelry@reddit
My brother flipped off the teacher in 7th grade and my dad bounced his head off the wall. I picked up the phone and threaten to call 911 if he ever did it again. He didn’t.
myfavhobby_sleep@reddit
Nothing. My school would have never been able to get in contact with my parents. They both worked and I was always able to delete any messages from school.
waterwoman76@reddit
My sister once threw a desk at her teacher. He ended up becoming her AA sponsor. True story. Our parents were at a complete loss. It was about that time that they got her into therapy and sent her for an addictions assessment - because those clearly weren't the actions of a well-rounded and happy teen.
Fast forward to today with your son... I'd probably be inclined to go in a similar direction. Why is he so aggressive and unhappy? Seems he may need some help figuring that out, or figuring out how to handle it in a reasonable way.
DancesWithCybermen@reddit
I agree. This kid needs a mental health evaluation and treatment. Something is profoundly wrong.
tastysharts@reddit
I wouldn't have seen the light of day on a weekend for at least a year, except to do ALL of the house chores and run ALL of the errands with my mom. I still have trauma just processing this.
HatlessDuck@reddit
If it is before 7th grade, the school would have paddled me.
Independent_Baby5835@reddit
I don’t think anything. One of my teachers told my mom that I saw someone spit in his coffee mug. My mom tried forcing me to tell her and I had no clue! She threatened to tell my dad when he got home from work, so he came home and she told him what the teacher said. My dad had my back and said to my mom that he didn’t like the teacher and he could care less if I told who it was or not.
CharleyDawg@reddit
Our public school gave swats with wooden paddles that spent most of the time hanging on the wall. If I survived the swats at school and subsequent suspension, I would have been given worse at home.
TheGreatRao@reddit
first, i couldnt go home. my mother would be waiting. in her lwft hand would be her shoe. in her right hand would be the first hard object ahe could in the vicinity of the kitchen. she would have beaten me like her name was Sheila E and Im a timbal. No calls to ACS or John Walsh would have saved me. the only trauma councelor i could talk to would be named Gannon or Welby.
amithecrazyone69@reddit
How old is said teen? What is the teens reason for his behavior?
briizilla@reddit
I would never. My mom was a teacher in the district which meant she would hear pretty much any bad news about me from the source. I think a lot of my adult anxiety stems from this fact.
ChroniclyCurly@reddit
Before or after the literal ass beating from my mother? I would’ve been grounded until college from everything except food and water.
One_Avocado_7275@reddit
I'd be walking slowly through the Valley of Shadow of Death coming home suspended with tears of fear in my eyes; if that were me, my ass would get torn up by my dads belt: I wouldn't be able to sit down for a week. I'd rather dig my own grave.
sumostuff@reddit
Well, is she a bitch? I actually called my principal a bitch and they called my Mom in. She heard the whole story and basically backed me up.
MaryBitchards@reddit
My parents would've gone nuts and I was too scared of them doing that to ever pull a stunt like that. I would've probably been grounded for six months.
But...is the teacher a b*tch? Maybe factor that into the sentence LOL.
Easy_Ambassador7877@reddit
I’m pretty sure I would have lived out the rest of my days in the woods behind our house. If I had went home I would have also ended up on a milk carton as soon as many others have said.
gofargogo@reddit
Nothing, as I had already been kicked out of the house for far less than this. BUT if you want real advice, and relying on your social worker background, a couple of things I'd be doing in your place:
E-device & internet grounding, absolutely. Maybe there's a laptop/public space computer available if he needs to do research for homework. I would get this across as dispassionately as possible. Actions have consequences. I imagine at some point in that conversation, the question 'why' would come up, and I'd use that as an opening to ask them why they did it, what was their expected outcome? Being a teenager with undiagnosed ADHD, my emotional regulation was not super great, and I have many memories of losing my shit and regretting it while I was doing it. And being ashamed and embarrassed long after the fact, all the while putting up a brave/cocky front because I didn't know how to handle it then.
Forcing some reflection, and maybe trying to figure out what they were thinking or feeling when it happened, might help even if they don't actually tell you the whole truth of what's going on inside.
When you say you're a doormat, do you mean from your teen? That's a tough one, but enforcing the consequences and holding the line is important. Setting expectations too, by letting them know future consequences if they are found breaking the grounding.
Real world perspective of yes they absolutely would've been fired from a job for that stunt may land, or it may not if they don't have a sense of how hard it is to find and keep a job.
There's probably a lot more work to be done there, but that's where I would start. Again I'd stress the dispassionate part of it. Not so much as 'you're bad and this is punishment' but more "you made a choice, and this is the outcome of that choice."
In the long-term, I'd be working at being a gentle but consistent parent with clear expectations and boundaries for them, with consequences laid out in theory if not detailed. Also work at figuring out what caused this in the first place. Do they feel the teacher is unfair, or out of line (not excusing this behavior, but if they have a personal problem with the teacher, then maybe it's a good time to work on coping mechanisms for people they clash with because it won't be the last time this happens). Are they upset or angry for other reasons, and this is just how it happened to blow out? How's their mental health? Are there other struggles (undiagnosed adhd or other issues that are reaching a crisis point as they mature) that they've been masking for a long time?
Casey_N_Carolina@reddit
Well, I never tore up an assignment, but I did let something similar slip out of my mouth in maybe 1985. I remember being slapped by the teacher, and not a gentle Hollywood smack, but stumbling, seeing stars, slap you silly kind of slap. She then grabbed hold of my punker hair and drug me to the office. There, they called for someone to come and get me, and while we waited, the principal used the Persuader (his big paddle) to stand me up on my tiptoes repeatedly. I was living in a children's home at the time, so when they got me back there, I got a beating with a belt. Then, every day I was suspended, I got another one, to remind me why I didn't really want to be there during the day, when I was supposed to be at school, getting my education, and giving them a break.
Vegetable-Editor9482@reddit
I was grounded for a month at a time for much, much less.
Andovars_Ghost@reddit
My dad would have shipped me off to the Marines and told them to beat the shit out of me. Instead, I was a good kid and got an Air Force ROTC scholarship, so no ass beatings for me.
Bac7@reddit
I once got grounded for a semester for not coming home right after school - even though I had come home, I just didn't have my key, so I went and took a nap in the back yard. So I got grounded for being at home but not in the home.
I can't begin to imagine what would happen if I'd done this. I never even skipped school, because at 17, they weren't afraid to paddle me.
FireGodNYC@reddit
Not the giant wooden spoon! 😂
aunt_cranky@reddit
My mother would have beaten the living shit out of me. I was the “idiot” child because I was failing Algebra and Chemistry (although today I have an infinitely better understanding of Chem).
My dad was usually more sympathetic when he was around.
FWIW I am the Gen-X poster child of a student that could have benefited from an IEP (which were non-existent when I was a kid). I just got sent to the principal’s office a lot.
Permexpat@reddit
Holy shit, I just imagined myself at 16 in that situation and I don't like what I saw. First punishment would have come from school, my high school had no problems with swats, that one would have got at least 3 hard ones! At home I got the belt or my old mans Frat paddle for far less than that. Kids these days have it way too easy!
For you I would think that at a minimum you have to go hard, xBox and phone would be off limits for a month, maybe longer and some serious work around the house or sign him up for community service every Saturday and Sunday for a month. If there's a farm near by they can always use an extra hand with chores. Do not under any circumstance let him think that he got away with this without any punishment, make it hurt...unfortunately not in the way our parents made it hurt though
RevengeOfTheCupcakes@reddit
Let me tell y'all a true story:
One Christmas morning when I was around 14, I was delighted to find a brand new, full size Kenwood stereo with built-in EQ, dual cassette deck, a 5-disc CD changer, and those tall speakers. I was at the height of my love for hair metal, so imagine how overjoyed I was.
I got this gorgeous piece of equipment set up in my bedroom and proceeded to connect all the various wires and cables. But something was missing...there were no speaker wires in the boxes. Must have been an oversight, or maybe it just didn't come with them. No matter; Dad probably has some extra.
When I asked if he had some speaker wire I could have, I learned that my pre-holiday report card wasn't quite up to the standards expected (nothing crazy, but I had a D in something). It was then that I learned that I would receive my speaker wire in six weeks, when my next report card came out, assuming that grade came up.
I spent the rest of holiday break and the first six weeks back to school looking at this dream of a stereo that I couldn't use.
So OP, your kid saying that being grounded from his phone and XBox is too extreme is ridiculous.
Acceptable_Pain_9213@reddit
It really depends on if I was in the right or not. My parents would back my play if it made sense but would punish if I acted a fool.
exact0khan@reddit
I did this. I got the same beating from my old man that I would of gotten either way.
Happy birthday pops, see ya again someday.
Appropriate-Dig771@reddit
Oh crap, in my day that behavior would be the talk of the school AND town. This would be scandalous. Just know you’re not alone, my kid got suspended her first week of high school (too embarrassed to detail here) and the following 4 years weren’t great. She’s slowly growing up (early 20s now). It’s getting better but damn I don’t know where they get the audacity these days. My older kid never acted like this by the way, so I can’t be completely to blame here (like my younger daughter would prefer to have you believe).
Comfortable_Ad7922@reddit
Nothing would have happened because this behavior was unacceptable and I would never have even considered imagining doing it!
nite_skye_@reddit
Life as I knew it would end. It would be like nuclear winter except with grounding. I might just now be allowed to come out of my room…
PastEntrance5780@reddit
Psychologist appointment after punishment
blackcain@reddit
Sent the principal's office and then have the kid being picked up.
When your kid does these kind of things, how do you talk with him about it? A lot of times kids are going through things and act out but can't really identify what the feeling they are feelinlg and you have to help figure it out. Keep being that gentle person, but also be firm. You are still their guardian.
sassypants450@reddit
My parents never touched me, but they were ninja-level Jewish guilt users and whooo boy was that effective. I started a fight with a boy in my class, and was told that my behavior was shaming my family and ancestors and that we hadn’t escaped the horrors of the Eastern Europe shtetl just for me to act like a little spoiled a**hole who couldn’t control herself. That shit still gives me a jolt of shame ~35 years later.
So yeah it was super effective but also I went to therapy for 15 years. 😆 So that’s the trade off. OTOH both my brother and I are hard working and pretty successful, we both got achievement based college scholarships.
Miralalunita@reddit
I don’t think it’s a generational thing but more of a parenting/personality thing. My kids have never done this and they’re Gen Z. He might be going through some issues dude so instead of posting it here and trying to excuse his behavior on some generational thing, take you and him to the psychologist or family therapist. Also he might need to be LISTENED to and really open your ears and change your attitude towards him because girl, that’s not normal behavior. His behavior is screaming “please help me”.
CartographerOpen13@reddit
I am a high school vice principal. I can advise what I would want as support from the parents of this student.
In direct answer to your question: I would not have done this because cause and consequences had been drilled into me from an early age. That’s not to say that your child hasn’t had that, but, in my family, there was no room to do this sort of thing and not end up in a long-term punishment. There was never the threat of death and dismemberment; only a lot of new, terrible chores to do around the farm in addition to no longer having any social life. As I valued my time and my social life, aiming an expletive at any person in authority would have, figuratively, ended my life and would have crossed my mind but never my lips.
Particular-Ad6338@reddit
It really depends, if I had told my parents , which I never would have done, I would have been beaten worse than I was on a regular day, for wetting the bed. If I hadn't rioe my parents, and the school hadn't called my parents (no phones in those days) I would have suffered a very mild beating and humiliation from the nuns. Telling my parents, would mean both punishments.
BlueProcess@reddit
Considering the nutcases that are teachers anymore I think I would want to understand clearly the assignment and what the objection was before I proceeded.
Western_Bathroom_252@reddit
My dad told me that if I ever got suspended from school he would kick my ass first, then ask the school what happened. He was a 6'3", 250lb electrician with hands like hams. I don't ever remember even getting a spanking, but he made sure we all knew that he would whip the crap out of us if we made it necessary.
I thought that was terribly unfair and extreme, but I kept my mouth shut, and I didn't ever get suspended.
It wasn't until my own kids were in high school that I suddenly understood my dad's wisdom. His message was simple and effective: There is a line between right and wrong, and I had better be so far on the right side of it that I didn't even have to explain myself. If I had to make my case, then I was simply too close to the line.
Parents have been neutered, robbed of the ability to parent by socially-imposed, zero-tolerance, zero-discomfort child-resring techniques that give the children all the authority within the family unit, if there even is one of those. Children raise themselves now, and look at the results. Glad mine are all grown.
AestheticSalt@reddit
Told by who? Hire some other kid to go to their work, rip sh!t up & call them a b!tch in front of everyone they have to work w/ on a daily biases. F your lil sh!t & f you for releasing ANOTHER untrained monster on the rest of us. Better train them or someone who has ZERO love for them will give them a harsh lesson. F around & find out. Isn’t that the saying? You’ll find out.
Oceanbreeze871@reddit
Military school!
Wulfkat@reddit
“Just wait until your dad gets home.”
Jesus Christ.
rraattbbooyy@reddit
My dad would never have hit me. But he would have said I deeply disappointed him. And honestly, that was worse.
Didthatyesterday2@reddit
Fear kept me from doing anything like that.
QueenVell@reddit
Considering my parents were both high school teachers, shit would have hit the fan. My mom would have lectured me in that tone of voice that’s akin to, “I brought you into this world, I can take you right back out!” Meanwhile, my dad would have screamed at me until I was sobbing violently and fearing for my very life. They would have also grounded me to the house for at least a month, with no phone or bike privileges. The icing on the cake would have been escorting me to said teacher’s classroom, where they would both stare at me with daggers in their eyes until I pitifully squeak out an apology while trying to hold back tears. On top of all that, they would have told my grandparents. Knowing very well that nothing, absolutely nothing, made me feel worse than hearing them tell me how disappointed they are.
whatgives72@reddit
It’s no way it would ever happen. Don’t ever piss off my Mom or disappoint my Dad. Ever.
Beelzebozotime@reddit
My parents would have been told to come to collect my remains because our superintendent was a 6'4" Irish priest who didn't take shit from anyone, let alone some little punk kid. So I would have been vaporized by the sound of his voice alone, not to mention The Stare. If I had done it when he first got to the school, I probably would have been smacked around, but he tried that with a few rich parishioners (read: Church donors) kids and so it was hands-off after that.
What my parents to with my remains, well, that's a whole extra level.
oregon_coastal@reddit
Oof, sorry you are dealing with that.
I had a weird situation with the son unit (now 31) when he got in a fight on the last day of school. Never had been in a fight before. He said he jumped in to protect a friend.. which, fine. But even righteous acts have consequences. The world is an uneven place with uneven results.
But here is the rub. The reason I got called was that he refused to write a letter of apology to a teacher who tried to break it up. He refused because the vice principal wanted him to say he wouldn't do it again. And his position is that he would do it again if a friend was in trouble. And they can't force him to lie like that.
I told him that was a fine cross to die on if he wants to be held back and repeat the 11th grade. That would be the consequence. And sometimes you have to buck up and pay homage to the system in order to preserve yourself and move forward.
You have a Door A and a Door B - pick one with your eyes open.
He wrote the letter.
I guess my point in here is ...
Kids are terrible.
I was a terrible kid too - I imagine my grandkids will be also (even if they are currently adorable)
:-D
Didjaeat75@reddit
They would make him repeat a whole grade for that? I'm pretty sure that's not legal.
oregon_coastal@reddit
Oh, that was from me. But he would prpbanly have had to be held back at a different school because the VP was quite annoyed she couldn't just put a bow on this mess due to his refusal to write the apology and was talking suspension for a term or possibly expulsion due to the teacher taking an elbow.
Life is nothing but a selection of doors, most of which we would rather not choose between or deal with what is on the other side. And given he is a white, upper middle-class male, most of his doors were way better than most other kids in the first place.
I guess it worked. He is far more successful that I ever was - and has an adorable family.
And he has kids who I hope will also have the VP calling him at some point due to their taking a stabd on something ridiculous :-D
TheDreadedMe@reddit
Parents always taught me to stand up for myself, so it would probably depend on the circumstances whether i lived or died, lol.
ProfessionalLeave335@reddit
My dad almost punched me in the face because I wasn't doing my math homework so I probably just wouldn't be here today.
Kbalternative@reddit
I don’t know but it would have been significant. My Mum probably would have taken me out of that school as she would not have wanted to show her face there if I had done something like that. She went to the same school and we had some of the same teachers. My Dad would have asked me why I did it. I would have been dead meat.
analogpursuits@reddit
Uh, this behavior isn't the usual kind of teenage angst. Might look into the root of this. Trauma, abuse by someone long ago, etc. Yes, that's an extreme take, but if this behavior is out of the blue, you've got to look more closely and not ignore signs. You mention being a social worker, so this is your field of expertise, not mine. What would you think if this was someone else's kid? Would you explore potential past trauma? Or current conflicted feelings about something really deep?
Prestigious_Fox213@reddit
Teacher here.
First, thank you for recognizing what your son has done. You would not believe the number of parents who become defensive or even confrontational over something as simple as a polite note informing them that their child has not handed in an assignment.
If I had done something like that, I would probably have been suspended for a few days, grounded for an eternity, and would still have it brought up from time to time, at inopportune moments. Schools are following a more service model approach.
Good luck - this is tough.
Jinxy_Kat@reddit
Not GenX, Mil-GenZ age. My momma would've slapped me silly. I stole a car once and her solution wa to have me sit in jail for a few days and when I got out I lovingly called her a "bitch" and she lined my ass out in police parking lot. You can try therapy, but it may just be a waste of money. Some kids don't take that shit seriously, I didn't, and until my mom let me sit in jail for a few days and then slapped across the face after picking up from jail I didn't mind, listen or care about authority.
Low-Possession-4491@reddit
All the stuff people are saying but also a written public apology to the teacher and classmates.
elgrandefrijole@reddit
As a middle school child, I wouldn’t have EVER tried this nonsense. But by the time I was a teenager, my family was in pretty bad shape and I was 100% acting this way with little consequence. Everyone just had their own shit to deal with. Dad was drinking a lot, Mom was sick and would be gone within the year, my just out of HS sister was trying to be the adult. I was ANGRY, all the time even if I didn’t know it (I thought I was handling things very maturely. NOT) . And to be fair, a lot of what I was putting up with was bullshit - a lot of being a teenager IS bullshit, even with a better home environment.
I don’t know what the answer is. Obviously there should be some sort of consequence, but I hope before that someone can get to a place to ask this kid what’s going on? Like, did he really think the assignment was unfair? Is his teacher actually kinda a bi$&h? None of that makes it okay, and they’re gonna have to apologize at the least, but I hope he gets a chance to feel heard.
Crabbyrob@reddit
I would've been banned from extracurricular activities, like hockey. And my coaches would've backed my parents on that decision. I would've lost video game and TV privileges and probably given extra chores.
On the other hand, I was smart enough not to pull that stuff!
EverydaySunshine@reddit
3 weeks grounding…minimum. Would have been marched up to the school and made to apologize to the teacher and principal in person with my dad looming behind me. Then forced to clean up the teachers classroom after class for her for a week. After all that…then my parents would have asked me what the hell I was thinking in the first place.
Coconut-bird@reddit
The question is moot, because I would have been too scared to ever do such a thing. I barely said anything to a teacher the entire time I was in school. I certainly wasnt talking back and ripping up papers
RunningPirate@reddit
Depends on the assignment and the teacher. Dad only liked one of my teachers. He wasn’t anti education, but felt that a lot of our teachers were out of touch. So if I had a good reason he’d have understood.
psychnursegivesshots@reddit
I would have been belted all the way into next month.
GrouchoChaplin1818@reddit
Well, IS the teacher a b??ch? Maybe he's right?
whineybubbles@reddit
Dead
EdwardBliss@reddit
The more things change, the more things stay the same. This happened to me in the 80s. I was late for school, they called him assuming I didn't show up, and when I got home, it looked like my dad wanted to deck me when I got into the house. Cooler heads prevailed when I told him I was just late
heyuwiththehairnface@reddit
well, I would be an in school suspension for probably at least a month, then once my parents found out about it I’d be grounded for the remainder of the school year. Have to redo the work publicly apologize to the teacher and have my ass beat.
fabrictm@reddit
Well first of all in Eastern Europe back then the teacher would’ve beat my ass, then my mom would’ve beat my ass. Grounding from phone and Xbox extreme? That’s it? Just those two? Not enough.
FlyOnTheWallWatches@reddit
I have been beaten and grounded and on my own at 18. Hell I got into it with my dad when I bought a CD player.
Colorful_Wayfinder@reddit
I'm not sure what my parents would have done. It would have been or if character of me to go that far to call a teacher a name.
I can tell you if my high school agreed child did that, they would lose their phone, computer and X box for a month. I'll put up with a lot, but disrupting class and being rude to the teachers crosses the line. I would also be talking to their therapist too as this behavior would be out of the norm for them.
Commisceo@reddit
I did that. And it was decided I was being treated unfairly by her. So no punishment of me. I was being bullied by my teacher and id had enough. So had my parents.
Pepper_Pfieffer@reddit
Taking away his phone and X-box is extreme? Seriously, who said that?
tdawg-1551@reddit
I would have never done it because the shit I did earlier in life taught me that it is better for me not to do such things.
Persy0376@reddit
I probably would’ve ran away before my mom got me. She would have beat me to death before my dad even got involved.
No-Gain-1087@reddit
My old man would have killed me then revived me just so he could kill me agian , then my to oldest brothers would get a turn they were 13 and 12 years older
Appropriatelylazy@reddit
My mom would have slapped the hell out of me for disrespecting a teacher. And my mom NEVER hit or spanked us as kids. But calling your teacher a bitch?? Not bloody likely. I'd be grounded for life too.
Present_Dog2978@reddit
I called my teacher a bitch and got kicked out but my parents were never called. Your son’s teacher probably was a bitch.
teknogreek@reddit
Ummm no... would communicate in a different way to teacher.
Oh and the reason you're kid has problem is because they have an xbox ;)
Dead_Man_Sqwakin@reddit
The “disciplinarian”/ football coach would have Invited me to the locker room for a “talk.”
Temporary_Second3290@reddit
Probably nothing much to be honest. My mom was a single parent working as a waitress. My memory of junior high was so much getting in shit. Straightened out in high school though. But my 2 years of grade 8 made up for a lot.
solomons-marbles@reddit
My mom stopped in JR HS when she broke a spoon on my ass and I laughed. My dad stopped softly after that when he went to work with a fat lip. Change the dynamic, break the cycle.
Tex_Arizona@reddit
I'd have gotten a zero on the assignment and probably get after school detention. My parents were happy to let me know make my own mistakes and learn the hard way most of the time.
throw123454321purple@reddit
Time for Scared Straight.
BaronNeutron@reddit
Why didnt you raise your kid the same way your parents raised you?
PappyBlueRibs@reddit
Yeah, I'm more interested in what will happen than fictional "what would have happened" scenarios.
Legitimate-Annual-90@reddit
The Belt!
No_Zebra2692@reddit
Who told you that?
I wouldn't have even dreamed of doing anything like that. I got detention once at school for correcting the Spanish teacher (he was wrong, okay) and honestly there wasn't anything to take away, so my mom shamed me for months.
rei7777@reddit
My mom would’ve asked why before freaking out.
TallStarsMuse@reddit
I would have heard a lot of yelling and been grounded.
Didjaeat75@reddit
My legs would still be broken. Take the phone and the Xbox. For some weird reason, punishment is frowned upon and no homework until 5th grade is the thing.
freightallday@reddit
What was the assignment?
Nedstarkclash@reddit
Ass whipping with the handle of a feather duster that was not used for dusting. Context does matter, however. Listen to your son, and ask him what happened.
My loving but problematic nephew once mooned a vice principal. It wasn't the right thing to do, but they targeted my nephew to the point where I felt it was unfair. I remember howling in laughter when his parents told me.
blueyedmystic@reddit
I'd still be grounded
Chai-Tea-Rex-2525@reddit
I’d be dead, reincarnated, my parents would have found new me, killed me, and I’d be reincarnated again. And scared for my life.
justimari@reddit
This is the correct answer for us all
PerfectChard4439@reddit
You just won’t dare do that back in our day! We were taught to respect adults.
watmough@reddit
i did shit like this all the time.
my parents gave up punishing me, it didnt do any good.
i got like 200 detentions my sophomore year.
in school suspensions were great, i would sit in the supply closet and draw.
Backsight-Foreskin@reddit
I went to Catholic school, so there would have been a beating at school and then one or more when I got home. One time I saw a priest grab a student by the hair and smash his face into the desk. There was a teacher who boxed featherweight who laid out a student for talking back to him.
EggandSpoon42@reddit
Me? Nothing. My parents stuck me in an institution like gone girl in high school.
Me today would be cheering on my kid. Regardless of real justice. It's a bold move, everyone should do it at least once in their life ❤️❤️
metooneither@reddit
I would have been buried in the garden so that I could fertile the corn as it grew. to use my dad’s favorite expression, “you’re finally good for something”.
MusicalMerlin1973@reddit
A little extreme? lol. I used to lose computer and tv half of each reporting period because I’d have several Cs on my progress report.
Not sure how kids are supposed to learn consequences
BillDuki@reddit
Slim chance I would have been hit, but I know I would have been grounded from EVERYTHING for at least a month minimum.
TheBarbarian88@reddit
Yeah, this would be my experience as well.
JKnott1@reddit
If I did that, I already had a plan to skip town. Be back sometime in my late thirties when the coast was clear.
CountryMonkeyAZ@reddit
Teenager? Grounded from life until I turned 18. School would be notified that I would happily volunteer for any and all projects (like painting, helping the janitor) until I graduated. I would also be volunteering to do any chores at the said teachers house until said teacher forgave me.
Regalita@reddit
I would be black and blue
bluudclut@reddit
My old man would have put me through the wall. He would have seen that a direct slight to his parenting skills and I would have paid the price.
bored-panda55@reddit
An extreme punishment for an extreme actions on his part.
Wtf
OldBanjoFrog@reddit
My butt would have been purple for 2 weeks, as both my parents would have taken turns along with being grounded for a long time. I would also have had to apologize to the teacher in front of the whole class and turn in the assignment along with supplemental work, assuming that I was not placed in inschool suspension….seriously, do they not have that anymore?
I’m sure there’s more, but I can’t even bring myself to think about it. I would never have dared to do that. I also would never have ever dared to talk back to my grandparents EVER.
AltCyberstudy@reddit
I would literally never be seen alive again. Good lord.
External-Dude779@reddit
At school, nothing. We would've been made to go sit outside or go to the principal office where we'd sit then be told not to do it again or we'd get Saturday school. If we were repeat offenders we'd definitely get Saturday school which is really the worst punishment IMO. Lunch detention was easy and getting sent home for 3 days? Yes please 😂
At home, restriction, no Atari and no going outside for the foreseeable future. Basically the death sentence.
OMGLeatherworks@reddit
First move is a wooden spoon would have been broken over whatever part of my body that she could reach. Next I would be whisked off to the family therapist.
creeva@reddit
Depends on the age - at 16 probably would have gotten away with it.
For me as a parent it would be an extreme change in my child’s behavior and likely therapy and a medical follow up to see what is causing it. Though it all depends on the reason why they did it. It may not be unjustified.
Not as a parent going through though this mess that has to be wrangled - your child is a legend that HS students will talk about for years.
creepyoldlurker@reddit
Ha, my brother got in trouble so many times in high school that my mom told the vice principal that he could give him detention or suspend him or even call the police, but if he called her again, she'd kill herself. Guy never called again.
Djragamuffin77@reddit
At 16 I stole a piece from the home ec class. The vice principal called my father in. They took turns giving me swats. Father took me home and beat me more. I then had to bake a replacement pie and apologize to the class
Rainthistle@reddit
I would never have been heard from again. My dad put up with zero shit. Also his best friend was dean of students at my high school. The milk carton people wouldn't even have known I was gone.
conspiracy_troll@reddit
I would have been beat with the wooden paddle up on top of the refrigerator. I only got it once for smoking at about 10. I knew not to get caught. I watched my older brothers, laying across my parents bed, get beat pretty hard. They found a wallet and spent the money.
I don't know if beating kids is legal anymore, but kids are in for a rude awakening when they don't understand there are consequences for stupid shit.
Everything now days is therapy oriented, so maybe that's the better option. But swift justice sure trained my young mind to control my stupid kid impulses.
frogger2020@reddit
I can't even imagine. My mom beat the hell out of me for leaving toys in her family room and my dad was a jr high teacher, so........