I’ve seen this argument a lot here and I’m calling BS. There are tons of cheap, healthy meals you can easily prepare in literal minutes. Not everything has to be a fancy recipe.
A lot of people just don’t know how to cook and assume it takes a long time.
How much time and effort does it take to cut up some vegetables and roast them with chicken while you boil some rice? You can eat that for like 3 fuckin days straight with hardly an hours effort.
Exactly. Anyone who says they don’t have the time to do this has never tried to do it. In no world does this take more time than driving to a fast food place, ordering and waiting for foods, then driving back. Not to mention how much you’ll save in the long run
Haven't you talked to any human being. People who work 40 hours complain they don't have the time to do chores and cook and whatever else. So many people do it's insane to me. It's just bad time management.
Oh my God. 40 hours. Before kids if I had a 40 hour week I could still cut the lawn, make dinner, take a shower, and have time for video games. I have no sympathy for these people. I pulled it off with 50 or 60 hours in construction. People are weak. In b4 "I'm a disabled yadda yadda yadda". That's different if it's real.
There's no excuse for that these days. There is more cooking instruction on YouTube and the rest of the internet than anyone can ever hope to consume in 5 lifetimes. Watch a a video on pad Thai you stupid fucks. Take one day out of the week to go out and get sushi or something you wouldn't normally make at home.
I legit saved money eating healthier than buying junk. Especially if you get things like a crock pot or rice cooker (very easy to find cheap, reliable ones these days). Broke undergrad/grad student and I’ve never had issues buying food. Granted, I understand that having a family makes it more challenging, but it wouldn’t be THAT much more expensive to scale my meals up.
I can cook my lunches for the week within 2h on a casual Sunday, including cleaning and packing it up, 1 more hour for dinners while I'm at it. I make breakfasts the night before within 8 mins (oats).
Pretty sure most people spend more time weekly while going to, waiting, coming back from fast food restaurants.
If you know anything about cooking and mealprep it's not that bad at all, the hardest part is polishing your skills until you can do this efficiently and make good food, but it's a very tame price compared to the long term benefits of it all.
I feel like the person you are replying to is getting half of the equation right.
The issue is time + energy. If you look at what some of these people are getting from grocery stores, it's easy stuff like kraft mac and cheese or frozen shit. All of these things can be made super easily in the spur of the moment after work and require the minimum effort when it comes to making any food. I grew up poor and around poor people and I can tell you that some families had the mom actually cooking real food to help save on costs while the dad worked and other families had a both parents chipping in but that meant they commonly had to sacrifice some meals to just be ramen noodles or some frozen junk.
I think so many people try to give a complete pass to poor people in order to say they aren't lazy and it's not their fault when it ignores the reality. The reality is that there is definitely some component of laziness involved, but it's unfortunate that for poor people they have far less leniency available towards them when it comes to this laziness before they are screwed financially or in their health.
Poor people definitely should get some base amount of leniency that we apply to everyone, but also recognize that there are still shortcomings for many and areas that people can work to improve their lives/situations without just waiting for a purely systemic solution
I think maybe you don't understand what I am saying. When I say frozen junk, I mean like a bag of pizza rolls or a prepacked meal. It is objectively easier to cook those things than to take frozen meat and turn it into a similar meal (unless you literally plan to just take the frozen meat and chuck it straight into the oven and that's the whole meal which is never the case).
Yes, you can store healthy foods for later and cook them/use them later. That does not remove any of the time or effort necessary to cook them which was my whole point
Rich people are just as lazy but when they don’t feel like cooking, or run out of time, they can go to a restaurant or hire someone to cook for their kids. Both rich and poor can end up in a stupid situation where they lose all sense of a healthy diet even though it’s fixable.
Yeah that was my whole point about leniency which may not have been the best word. Poor people don't have the money to save time when they get lazy, so their health takes the hit instead which is part of the reason why poorer people have worse health outcomes besides the specific care they receive.
Yea i think this hits it. Also laziness needs to be somthing we dont treat as evil. Leisure time relaxation ect are extremely important for people and having 0 down time leads to immense burnout.
If you are budgeting every hour in the day every dollar spent and every drop of energy to spare you arent fucking lazy becouse you want to smoke a bowl and watch the Kardashians or whatever.
I mean... ill judge you for other reasons because your choice of tv is questionable, an that you blaze but youre right, humans have to switch off for a bit at times
Even when I used to work 14-16 hour shifts mon-fri and a 10 hour on Saturdays, I'd still be able to prep meals on a Sunday, all I had to do at night was throw it all in a wrap or cook some rice depending on how hungry I was. People are just lazy and prefer excuses instead of integrity
Cook large amounts of 3 or four different meals, teach the kids to help you cook, and make an actual effort to provide a healthy diet and be a role model to your children. Stop contributing to generational weakness
Such conviction can only come from pure ignorance. Have you ever spoken with a child? They are being of pure chaos, their favorite toys are knives, and fuck your sleep. Fuck it, no sleep for you. Don't even get me started on the diseases those little monsters bring home.
Yes because people can't change up the food every week or maybe just 2 different meals for two weeks. You're gonna freak out when you realize that like 70% of asian cuisine involves rice for every meal.
I mean my parents basically said they didn't have the time for any variety and I was welcome to starve myself until next week's meal prep as an alternative.
Yeah, but my mom used to meal prep for 2 kids, my dad and her. It's doable. Not saying it's fun and it doesn't eat a lot of time, but depending on what you expect to eat and such, it's not something outrageous either.
Hell, there's fairly healthy pre-recorded food as well nowadays. More expensive than making it yourself, but at 4-5$/meal I'd say it's reasonable.
Really? "Kids wanting something different every day"? Who gives a fuck what kids want? They want a pony. They want to be a princess, Power Ranger, or whatever. They can't have that.
They will eat what you make them, and like it. Or they won't like it. Not your fucking problem.
Batch cook and freeze, defrost in the morning and by the time you are back from work it just needs to be heated up. Things like soups/stews/chilli's are great.
When I was a kid, our chest freezer was always full of spaghetti sauce, soup and chili. Our freezer containers were empty half-gallon paper milk cartons sealed with freezer tape labeled with Magic Marker.
I once made so much spaghetti sauce that the vegetable portion topped off my 20-quart stock pot. I had to cook up the meat in my 6-quart pan and mix them together. Froze 5 gallons in Ziploc freezer bags and ate the rest fresh. Didn't even share. I had spaghetti for dinner maybe 3 times a week for over a year.
This is how I was brought up and it is all good. What I learned as a parent is that some kids just accept not eating as a solution. Which creates new problems.
Still amazes me how grown adults don't know how to cook, grow tf up and make fajitas, spaghetti carbonara/puttanesca/aglio olio, chicken curry, gnocchi alla sorrentina, stir frys, home-made burgers, halushki, rice, soup, shakshuka, literally so many quick and simple and healthy dishes out there that you can make fresh in 20 min, 40 min to an hour at most.
Be smart about it and buy frozen veg in bulk, it's pre-cut so you don't have to waste time. Make a large batch of sauce, something like avocado with coriander, garlic and parsley which you can keep for a few days and add to anything. Make your kids do it for once and maybe they'll relieve the pressure instead of contributing to it
The frank fact of the matter is they may better well learn of the course of their lives if they realise that they will not be getting what they want every day and instead will be getting something nutritious; it is a choice a responsible adult will make for them.
Feeding children junk food to satiate their demands will only condemn them to spoilt life of indulging in saturates.
My darling, if you were genuinely working that much then somebody was exploiting the shit out of you. People are not lazy or lacking integrity for not wanting to live like that.
Maybe it's just me, but 80k for working 90 hour weeks, then spending your one day off cooking doesn't seem like a huge amount of bank tbh. But you do you, boo.
Yeah people are just lazy. It takes some time learning about nutrition and finding good recipes and getting your cycle down to the most optimized routine. They just can't be bothered to take that single step toward making their life better. Like at this point I'm a chicken breast master bc I've cooked one every day for like the last 500 days, no hobby gives you as many reps and seamless integration into your life like food.
I mean there is an almost infinite variety of cheap healthy food if you get tired. Chicken breast is honestly a lot of work to prep. Tofu is super convenient, high in protein, cheap and you can even find shelf stable version. Lentils are even cheaper, shelf stable, high in protein other things. Ground turkey can be tasty if prepared right, though I don't really like it. Chickpeas you can get in a can if you can't be bothered to cook them yourself. Eggs can be prepared a million different ways and are cheap and awesome.
Tf are you where eggs are cheap? They’re way more expensive here. So are chicken breasts. And cheese. And meat. And that’s basically all I can eat at the moment (yay medical issues) even though I’d love a nice salad.
Eggs are $2.00 a dozen at ALDI. Price varies though. Sometimes they are as much as $2.50. I could live off of only eggs for $5.00 a day. That seems reasonably cheap to me.
I've been making lots if stir-frys lately that are high in protein. The longest part is cutting and cooking the chicken breast. Then you basically just throw everything in for 20-30 minutes and bam, you lunch for the week is done.
I envy you so fucking much, because I've been cursed with inability to eat the same type of food for longer than a few days, so I have to cook a different thing every few days.
I mean, I still love cooking, but thinking about how much time I could save by cooking a week's worth of the same food makes me question my life choices.
I've tried to prep so many times but I'm sick af of the food halfway through it. Don't get me wrong, it's the way to go, but when it's Wednesday and you're on your sixth burrito of the week it gets stale.
Having a crock pot is a huge life hack and has saved me massive amounts of time. Cooked an entire Thanksgiving ham all day and maybe spent a total of 20 minutes in the kitchen prepping the potatoes, gravy, and veggies. The rest of the day was just hanging out with my family instead of having one person just slaving away in the kitchen making food.
It's about an hour from prep to cook to eat to wash. Less if you cook a single pot meal that lasts for the day.
Simplest to cook is pasta. With cheese pasta as the first dish you make, you can branch out to Bolognese, bacon, carbonara, mushroom, smoked salmon, grilled salmon, grilled chicken and so on as toppings.
Then once you have that you can work on stews. Then soups and sauces. Then rice and risotto, then baked chicken, then oven roasts.
And energy, the lowest paying jobs are so wearing on the mind and body, all people have left in the tank for is heating up a frozen pizza for the family and a big coke to take the edge of the misery inherent with being broke
Lame excuse. I have worked for minimum wage (and less). My roommate was always buying the cheapest hot dogs, breaded chicken patties, hamburger helper, all that stuff. Just garbage food. The same amount of money could buy twice the weight in real food (minus the waste from bones and peels and whatnot). Make a stock before you throw those bones and carrot and onion ends away, and save a few bucks on premade stock.
Unless you are actually homeless and have no way to prepare real food, eating cheap shitty food is entirely a choice.
The reality is it's not really about energy as much as never being taught good habits or knowing "how to cook" without a recipe.
It is far far more effort to get in the car, drive to pick up food, and drive home than to spend 10 minutes microwaving a potato and throwing some toppings on it, or heating up last nights black beans.
Is it though? It’s not hard to boil whole grain pasta and drop a tuna can + tomatos in their juice from a can. It takes like 10 minutes.
If it needs more time, I put a timer on the stove and play a dota turbo game, ehile it’s cooking.
People are just lazy. I don’t mind, I’m lazy too, but why lie about it? Just admit you are a lazy piece of shit, that’s fine by me. But blaming government for your laziness is dumb.
Don't try to re-write that shit with "fresh pasta" and "tuna steak". Mf was talking about boiling noodles and opening a can of tuna on it and calling it a meal.
If you live long enough something like half the population will end up with heart disease. Diet certainly plays a part, but living far longer than people used to also contributes to diseases that develop later in life.
On the flip side, a close friend of mine died from a heart attack last year at 43 years old. He worked out 3-5 times a week, ate fairly healthy, blood tests looked good, and had sudden cardiac dysrhythmia after rolling out of bed that morning and was dead a few minutes later.
You can add seasoning, onions, olives, cheese, spinach/rocket whatever. It was supposed to be fast and cheap example. There’s a lot of recipes if you look for them.
Replace the tuna with canned chicken or sautéed mushroom, bell pepper, and onion, and add a can of tomato sauce (and seasoning) and it's like a dollar more and actually good. Bonus points if you add the sautéed veggies and chicken but then it does actually significantly increase the price of the meal
Cook it into something that will last longer? You can freeze that as well. Or.... Eat more spinach when you have it? All of these arguments are excuses/bring uneducated or ignorant about how to cook, which yes to some degree can be blamed by one's upbringing, but at the end of the day if you're an adult you have all the power to cook yourself cheap healthy meals. No it probably won't be as easy or tasty as eating out but that's not the point.
There’s a business opportunity if you live in an apartment complex and have time, make balanced but easy meals in bulk and then sell to neighbors for McDonald’s prices
Yes but no. Personally, I would invest in a airfryier apart form maybe a stove. Nothing more is needed and while oven could work, they are much bigger and thus less cost efficient than airfyiers.
So, a quick and reasonably healthy dinner:
Fries- peel the potatoes, cut them in thick fries, add salt little bit of oil and maybe some spices. Mix, then put them for 20-25 min in the airfryier on 175 degrees Celsius.
Chicken breast- get it from the package, cut off the fat and make into desirable sizes, the season it and pot on a very hot pan(previously oiled) until the insides are white
Salad- literally just cut some tomatoes and onion, then mix together, add salt and pepper
Really it is not a hard thing to do, I could do it when I was 13 years old.
Did you learn it yourself or did your parents teach you?
Reading through the responses it seems like a lot of the time issue could be fixed with proper education on cooking and meal prepping. Never really occurred to me cause I grew up cooking with my family, but it makes sense for friends I have who are scared to boil pasta.
I also think cook times are disingenuous if they don’t include walking time too. Let’s say you cook chicken breast with broccoli roasting in the oven and a basic pasta also on the stove. From start of chopping/cutting to the food being done it could be 15-25 minutes, but then you have 1 cutting board, 1 baking sheet, one pot, one pan, the plate you ate on, and all the utensils to clean up. Meal prep isn’t done until they’re all on the drying rack (I don’t have a dishwasher)
As for washing the dishes, it’s additional 5 minutes of work maximum. Maybe more if you are washing for the whole family but even then, if done regularly it comes down to 10-ish minutes.
Yeah, but it depends what kind of poor person we are talking about. Is it the couple working 3 or 4 jobs between them to raise their kids without government assistance, or someone whose sole source of income is government assistance? Working poor get a pass for trying to make 3 meals a day in their limited free time.
You don't even have a job? Don't whine about how much your fucking Lunchables™ cost. Your crotch spawn gets free school lunch. You have literally all day to find the lowest cost food you can, and prepare it however you like. Or you could just eat Spaghettios, frozen burritos and Encore chicken bullshit. It's so easy to not be a moron, for people who aren't fucking morons.
Yeah either in getting the food, or how long it actually lasts. Nothing quite like getting some salad fixings only for them to turn brown or start to rot the next day. Practically have to go shopping every couple few days.
Time is usually the deciding factor on it, a lot of dishes do cook fast but not as fast as instant ramen.
For some people in America though the food desert thing is real too. You live 3 minutes away from kfc but 12 minutes from target/kroger, add in round trips with traffic and cooking becomes a much bigger hassle
When I was way poorer I used to do a monthly. Spend a decent percentage of my monthly wage on food. Dried stuff and freezables or ready frozen. By the time the next payday came I'd have a little surplus. Aim for stuff that takes time to perish, split your meats into prep size portions and freeze them down individually, tinned vegetables last literally years, that kinda thing.
I live in a studio apartment and try to buy bulk when I can but sometimes I simply do not have the room. I imagine this is similar in a lot of low income households. When you’ve got McMansion storage space it’s easier to do those big hauls.
I used to live in a studio, no car, grocery store a mile away. So I'd have to walk and just buy what I could carry. Luckily I found a little korean grocery store nearby so I just got really into rice and kimchi and frozen dumplings.
It’s hard not to be lazy when you’re getting back from your second shift of the day. It’s hard to make yourself eat the same oven tray or crockpot dinner you’ve been eating all week.
It seems obvious that being poor is hard, but some of you clearly haven’t been in that position before. When your life sucks that hard, you find comfort where you can, and that doesn’t make you lesser.
Not disagreeing with what you’ve said, but the people I’ve heard irl legitimately argue fast food is cheaper than healthy home-made food are just lazy. They don’t work 2 jobs, hell they often don’t work 1 full time job.
Don’t think I’ve ever met someone who’s actually struggling with multiple jobs ever try say fast food is cheaper, just that it’s much easier/faster.
I’d say it’s educational as well. I grew up cooking so it’s both fun and easy for me, but my friends who didn’t learn as kids struggle to catch up. It’s hard for them to motivate themselves to try something new that will culminate in 2-3 weeks of mediocre meals before they get good
depends on their goals honestly. If they want a cheap healthy meal then it shouldn't be that far fetched. If they want a michelin stat gourmet meal that's another story
Still enough time to sit on the couch tired and scroll tik tok for 2 hours every night though. It’s really just first world problems and it’s always always the softest excuses ever, like your reasoning of 3min vs 12min travel time.
Standard in other countries to walk a couple hours a day just to collect drinking water. Let alone time spent acquiring food.
This is coming from a someone with a full time job, in school full time who gets little sleep. I don’t make much money, pay for all my own shit, and I’m awake 18 hrs a day. I still have time to cook and prepare meals for a whole week.
It’s take time and discipline, yeah it’s fucking difficult but you know what?
The inability to get it together and have the mindset to cook healthy meals for yourself and your family, is a small version, of the same reason why you won’t adapt and move your way up and out of poverty.
Losers wish it could happen, winners make it happen.
This is literally a non argument, no shit it takes time to buy and cook food, do you really expect it not to? 12 minutes is a food desert? People like in outback Australia literally hours away from supermarkets and still make weekly trips there to buy their groceries for the week, why? Because that’s part of keeping yourself alive. It’s your own responsibility.
The USDA defines a food desert as a community where:
At least 20% of the population lives in poverty
At least 33% of residents live more than 1 mile from a grocery store in urban areas
At least 33% of residents live more than 10 miles from a grocery store in rural areas
12 minutes was based on personal experience, not the actual food desert definition. Unclear if 1 mile assumes they have a car or are taking public transportation (like in NYC)
I have to imagine the argument is they work such long hours that they cannot take the time to prepare food because for sure “junk food” is more expensive than veggies. However anon hates poor people as he has not left his basement and does not take this or other examples like pop tarts and eggo waffles/cereal are definitely cheaper and easier than making breakfast and lunch
We eat way less of that shit. Obesity (atleast where im from) is from lots of bread, beer and cold cuts. We still be buying bread in bakeries and not supermarkets (american toast bread lol). Eating shit like stews and soups, where Americans would gag.
lmfao bro you do realize that not all american bread is wonderbread right? i only buy sourdough from the bakery section of the grocery store. i bought a baguette from the farmers market and there are many bakeries near me. that isn’t special. and soups and stews? stop kidding yourself, that isn’t some special regional thing. everyone everywhere eats soups and stews.
Depending on where you live, you gotta try in order to find Wonderbread. It isn't the only thing we got for bread, Dark Rye is one of my personal favorites. Supermarket bread absolutely isn't just an American thing.
Also, imagine thinking that because you eat a bowl of soup, you're somehow flexing on Americans. Dude, Brunswick Stew, Gumbo, Étouffée, and Chili are American in origin. The concept of soup or stew isn't foreign to Americans, two of the most recognizable food companies in the US are Campbell's and Progresso, both mostly known for canned soup.
Their argument would be you have better public transit to get to places with better quality food, which is still a shit argument because even out in the boonies here we build like 50 stores where you can buy healthy food.
50+ hours a week still leaves time to run to the grocery store. If grad students can work 90+ hours a week, often with no car, and on like 22k, there’s no excuse.
10 minutes or so of prep. 20-30 minutes of actually cooking. 5-20 minutes of cleanup afterwards. All can get WAY longer depending on how many people you're cooking for.
I struggled so hard while working long hours with this, because an hour to cook and eat doesn't sound so bad until you put it in perspective. If you wake up at 530, drive to gym, work out, shower, get ready for work, you then have to cook and eat before getting to work (in my case, 8). Then you work 11 to 12 hours (now 7 or 8pm) it takes you an hour to cook, eat and clean from scratch, then you have to be in bed by 930 (so I can get 8 hours of sleep). You get no time to relax.
I meal prep on weekends and that only slightly fixes the problem. Lots of people struggle. Some people find it easy to order a pickup on their way home (or if they have money, time a doordash to arrive at their place).
idk the exact timetable in an average day of your average Joe, but I can almost guarantee that if they are actually willing to put in the slightest effort to live healthier, they can spare a few hours per week meal prepping. There really is no excuse
The point is, what it you don't have those few hours to spare.
I do, only because I lucked out with my commute, and don't have any dependents. Add either of those factors, and your free time is drastically shortened.
Most meals for work nights take about 30 minutes total. There’s some cost associated with them though:
The big one- Knowledge- the cooking market is insanely saturated with poor quality information, bad recipes, misinformation, and sales pitches so learning can be a challenge.
Materials- non warped pans, air fryer, instant pot, food processor, quality knives, cutting boards, are accumulated over time and make a lot of these tricks possible.
Pantry Ingredients- I bet I have 200 different things on hand food-wise. Of my perishables I buy for what I plan, but I also plan for what I keep in stock. A young person or someone who doesn’t cook their own food isn’t likely to have a full pantry to draw from.
Knowledge again. It’s amazing how expensive it is to make 7 meals a week if you don’t have pantry items or any interrelationships between the items. If I buy cream but only know 1 dish that uses it, it’s adding the full carton of cost to my meal and over every dish that very expensive.
Knowledge again. If I don’t question why a jar of Marsala is $7 and try to make my own, that’s suddenly a pricy meal. Same with any sauce.
yk, worst case scenario. Crack 3-4eggs in a bowl and microwave that shit for like half a minute. Scramble that abomination with some boiled/steamed veg then season to taste. It's literally that easy, especially if the only goal is to eat healthy on a budget
Yes, my friend in school was a saint and ate my bland unseasoned steamed chicken and rice and veggies. We all begin our journey with a single cooking item and a vague memory that we like meat.
I'd like to argue against your second point here. I cook legitimately at least 90% of my meals in a frying pan, a sauce pan, and/or the oven. If im getting fancy I use my blender or my stand mixer but it doesn't take alot of special equipment to cook food or do it quickly. When I moved out of my dad house 3 years ago I got a frying pan, sauce pan, and a knife from Walmart and they're still the only 2 pans I even own/need to cook a meal in less than 30 minutes. I will however agree on knowledge being a huge factor. I cook for a living and it even took me some figuring out to learn how to cook meals at home in a timely manner.
Yes, you’re right. The more I cook the more I converge on fewer overall items.
But there’s a major skill or knowledge issue there. The gadgets help you do something and the. You learn enough to do it with more accessible tools. This is a major issue I see, just bad information out there selling us things instead of teaching us things.
I got a nice set of pans 10 years ago and …. Didn’t use them. They got this cooked on grime and it never came off and I thought it was normal and didn’t realize they were nice pans and went through a bunch of cheap pans and then one day realized these were really good pans and I’d shelved them because I was literally too stupid to use them.
Just literally did not have the skill or knowledge to use a goddamn pan correctly.
Oh god yes. It’s easy to forget now, like I’m confident in my cooking that I’m cleaning as I go because I can leave 3 pans or whatever while I do a wash. And as we learn more we know we can get away with less pots/pans. But I remember a meal when I started was a full sink of scrubbing. Also we accumulate cleaning tools that work for us over time, like I don’t think anyone have ever articulated to me that cleaning hard stuff is like sanding wood, start with course and work towards fine. So chainmail, Mr sponge, sponge, magic eraser will solve most problems.
Yeah the sauce thing is so real, even something simple like pasta sauce can get expensive if you aren't paying attention and just buy whatever is up front (not that I know how to make pasta sauce, I just buy the grocery store brand hidden farther down the aisle that is about half the price).
Yeah you can also just get some nice whole grain bread, chicken, lettuce, tomatoes, maybe cucumber and make yourself a nice salad in as long as it takes to cook the chicken.
Good salads can easily be made in 10 minutes with a bit of experience and they are tastier, healthier and more filling than junk food.
There is not much that is less filling than highly processed junk food.
Salads are full of fiber which is really filling, chicken has lots of protein which takes a long time to digest as well, and with good bread I mean whole grain which has long carbohydrates chains, which also take long to digest.
Processed foods mostly contain short chain carbohydrates and often use sugar or high fructose corn syrup for flavor and preservation. Those are quickly digested and will have you hungry again quite quickly.
you don't need the whole array of nutrients in a single meal. I firmly believe that this misunderstanding is part of the reason for the rising obesity rates
you can quite literally microwave them and it'll be edible, throw in some low grade olive oil+salt and pepper. You just got yourself a dogshit salad that's edible and healthy
I've seen people use the "It's expensive to be poor" argument more on things like clothing and cars than food. Think cheap work boots that need to be replaced every few months.
If time is the problem, you can prepare meals on the weekend and freeze them. Even frozen vegetables are still nutritious and take like 10 minutes to steam or sauté. There are options...
Anons point is valid but he is overlooking the fact that produce (like the big pack of spinach mentioned) tends to have significantly less calories than junk food.
I've been blessed with low blood pressure and a fast metabolism. I'm eating it steamed with garlic butter and salt. The entire bag in one sitting. Plus some meat for protein. Lately been into sausage. Rice on the side for carbs.
I also work out so if I didn't eat this much, I'd just wither away. Happened before.
This post fails to consider the challenges that many low-income individuals face. While fresh produce might appear cheap, people in poverty often don't have the time or resources to cook from scratch. Working multiple jobs, raising children, and managing a household as a single parent make convenience a necessity. Junk food is often quicker and easier to access, especially when time is limited. Additionally, many low-income areas are food deserts, where access to fresh and affordable ingredients is limited or nonexistent. Even if someone can find cheap produce, they may lack the tools, time, or stable kitchen environment to prepare it regularly. This isn't simply a matter of personal choice or ignorance; it's a systemic issue related to economic and social pressures that make healthy eating more difficult for those in poverty.
You really telling me that these fatties don’t spend that time they saved watching TV or Netflix? It’s not difficult to cook some basic meals involving meat and vegetables. You don’t even have to cook most vegetables or any fruits, and for meat you can buy tinned meat and fish for cheap and it doesn’t need cooking
Of course, it's escapism from the misery inherent in being broke as all hell. It's why therapists always say most peoples mental health issues could be solved if their patients just had more money. The being broke thing fucks everything up
You can make more money in this country, you know that right? People travel from all over the world to come to the US to make money. Just need the right motivation and poverty is a great motivator. Giving people money for nothing to pull them out of their depression is a terrible fucking idea.
some of it can also be solved by modifying their lifestyles to be healthier too, it's the little things yk. Like yeah escapism is good and all, but isn't that just an addiction?
The issue isn't just about having free time, it's about the overall demands of life when living in poverty. It's easy to assume that people can just use their downtime for cooking, but for many low-income individuals, time is spent juggling work, managing kids, running errands, and handling a lot of daily stress. By the time they're done with those responsibilities, cooking isn't just an easy task—they're often too exhausted to commit to it. While you can eat raw fruits and vegetables, a balanced meal still requires preparation, planning, and sometimes equipment that not everyone has access to. Tinned meats and fish are an option, but they don't necessarily provide a full or balanced diet, and relying on them isn't sustainable in the long term for overall health. Poor individuals often face systemic barriers like limited kitchen space, lack of grocery stores nearby (food deserts), and knowledge gaps about nutrition or meal prep that middle-class individuals might not encounter. Assuming that people choose convenience foods because they’re lazy or wasting time is a simplistic view. It overlooks the compounding effects of poverty, including stress, mental exhaustion, and the lack of access to necessary resources, whether time, equipment, or even physical grocery stores. The choice to eat unhealthy isn’t purely a time management problem; it’s the result of multiple factors that go beyond just free time.
Dump some rice, frozen veg, meat, herbs and seasonings into a rice cooker and go do the fucking errands you keep going on about. Literally does it for you.
Don't have a rice cooker? Oh no! Boil the rice like a normal person and fry it in a pan with aforementioned stuff. The most effort this requires is washing the rice and moving it around in the pan with a spatula. You'd have to be half-starved and dehydrated from 3 weeks in the desert to think that's exhausting.
Alright, let’s think about this. Imagine someone working two jobs, maybe they don’t have a car so they’re commuting by bus or bike, and when they get home, they have a bunch of kids or people they need to take care of. They’re exhausted, running on fumes, and still have laundry, cleaning, and helping with homework ahead of them. Now, asking them to stand there and cook, clean the rice, chop veggies, season meat, and babysit a pan, is a lot more than it seems. In their world, that’s a lot of time and energy they might not have. Maybe the baby is crying, the kids need help, or there’s barely enough time between jobs to even sit down. For someone in that situation, even small tasks like cooking can feel overwhelming. Sometimes, the only option is something fast and easy because their day is already packed with responsibilities. It’s not about being lazy, it’s about survival with the time and energy they’ve got left.
You're right about but a lot of people don't want to hear that. They prefer to think that people are lazy because it's exonerate them to any kind of politics engagement to make things better for everyone.
Yes, some fruits and veggies don't need prep, but that misses the point. Eating healthy requires time, effort, and proper facilities. For people in poverty, especially those working multiple jobs or living in food deserts, it’s not just about eating raw broccoli, it’s about having the resources and energy to prepare balanced meals. Suggesting otherwise ignores the real challenges they face.
You can't survive on bananas alone because they don’t provide all the essential nutrients your body needs. Bananas are great for quick energy (carbs, sugar, potassium), but they lack proteins, healthy fats, and a wide range of vitamins and minerals necessary for balanced nutrition. To live healthily, you'd need variety, proteins, fats, vegetables, and grains, which involve planning and preparation. A meal from McDonald's might provide more variety (even if not healthy) and is ready-to-eat, while making balanced meals with fruits like bananas requires grocery shopping and meal planning, which takes time and effort. Convenience often drives choices, not just prep time. People don’t choose McDonald’s because a banana is hard to eat, they choose it because it's fast, requires no prep, and is filling in a way that one banana alone can’t be.
So eat something other than just bananas? Multiple types of fruits and veggies that don't need prep. Cheese/beans for protein or whey protein which is cheaper than eggs. Fruits for carbs.
While fruits, veggies, and cheap proteins may seem like easy options, they don’t provide enough protein or calories for a sustainable diet. Fresh produce spoils quickly and needs frequent trips to the store, which can be hard for those with limited time or transportation. Things like whey protein and cheese aren't always cheaper or accessible either. Processed food is more affordable, lasts longer, and is often the only practical choice for low-income people.
Rice and beans are cheap and easy. But here’s the thing: just eating rice and beans every day isn’t enough to keep someone healthy long-term. Yeah, it’s a complete protein, but that doesn’t mean it gives your body everything it needs. If someone only eats rice and beans, they’re missing out on important vitamins and nutrients that come from fruits, vegetables, healthy fats, and other proteins like meat or fish. Over time, this will cause serious health problems like vitamin deficiencies, muscle loss, low energy, and even weakened immune systems. People need a balanced diet to stay healthy. Sure, rice and beans can be part of it, but you can’t rely on that alone. It’s not sustainable, especially for someone working long hours or taking care of others. They need variety and nutrients to keep going strong.
Rice and beans can be a base, but for people juggling multiple jobs, kids, or living in food deserts, even adding cheap extras takes time, effort, and money they often don’t have. Prepping veggies and proteins isn’t as easy as it sounds, and relying mostly on rice and beans can still lead to nutrient deficiencies and long-term health issues.
Mocking "calories for a sustainable diet" doesn’t change the reality that proper nutrition isn’t just about calories; it’s about getting a balanced intake of proteins, fats, and essential nutrients. Being overweight doesn’t mean someone is nutritionally healthy. As for whey protein, while it can be available at places like Dollar General, it’s not necessarily cheaper than eggs for most people when accounting for overall dietary needs. The broader issue here is oversimplifying complex situations, poverty and food access aren’t solved with a one-size-fits-all solution.
Lol no shit proper nutrition isn't about calories. There's more nutrition in everything I mentioned than McDonalds or processed food.
Calories in vs Calories out is the basis for weight gain/loss though. Unless somehow you can violate the laws of thermodynamics, which would be amazing, as you would have single handedly solved the world's energy crisis.
And yes, whey protein is cheaper than eggs and nearly every protein source.
Here’s the simple reality: poor people often don’t have the time, money, or resources to consistently access fresh, healthy food for a balanced diet. It’s not just about calories; eating a nutritionally balanced diet requires time for meal prep, access to fresh produce, and often transportation that many low-income individuals simply don’t have. They turn to processed, calorie-dense foods because they’re cheaper, easier to store, and quicker to prepare, making them more practical when juggling work and life. It’s not as simple as “calories in, calories out” when you’re talking about people facing real-world barriers like food deserts, lack of transportation, or limited time due to working multiple jobs.
Not to mention rural and inner city food deserts (where oftentimes healthy food is more expensive or just straight-up unavailable) or the cost of having to buy replacement necessities because they can’t afford high-quality things that are more durable in the first place.
A lot of people don’t get that a food desert is about what is inside the store, not that the store exists at all. The fresh ingredients in the lowest income areas in my city have the highest prices out of anywhere. All the nice grocery stores and farmers markets are in the well off suburbs. OPs example of a bag of spinach for $3 is more like $6 in the hood, while across the street you’ll see two slices of pizza and a coke for the same price. In that situation I’m also taking the pizza. Especially if I’m presented those two options after a backbreaking day of labor.
Bro i live in the ghetto and healthy food is still way cheaper. There are ways around time consuming food, but you are one Google away from finding recipes that are not as consuming. You just need to use the resources available
Where did he mention fridges?? I love to cook but I can't imagine not using all the stuff I've ended up with from family or staying with them. Spice drawers, graters, blenders, toasters, food processors, mixing bowls and tools, clean and large cooking surfaces, cleaning SUPPLIES to get a good counter top, cup measures, etc and etc.
I know you CAN make do with less, but even making bread takes time, space, or a machine that still might be expensive or take up space. It's hard as hell to cook when you have to make something with everything either in your hands or in the oven or some spot. In addition to timers on, children going around, and whatever other disturbances.
why tf would they try to make bread??? We're talking about making a healthy meal not a bakery lol. The only appliances you'll need is a stovetop and a pan/pot. That's quite literally it, apart from the ingredients of course
The issue isn't about whether poor people have refrigerators; it's about access and circumstances. Sure, most low-income households have a fridge, but that doesn't solve the real problems. Many live in food deserts where fresh groceries are hard to find, or they're so overworked and exhausted that they don’t have the time or energy to cook. Plus, some might have limited or shared kitchen space. The point is, just having a fridge doesn’t magically make it easier to eat healthy, poverty is about way more than appliances.
Living within 10 miles of a Walmart doesn't solve the problem of food deserts for low-income individuals. For many, especially those without reliable transportation, 10 miles might as well be 100 miles. Public transit options can be limited or nonexistent, and the time and cost required to travel that distance are real barriers. Even if a Walmart is nearby, the availability of fresh, healthy food at an affordable price is often limited. Many rely on convenience stores, where processed food is more accessible. Proximity to a Walmart doesn’t change the broader issues of time, transportation, and access to nutritious options.
They put the Declaration of Independance in an AI detector, and it came out as 100% written by an AI. Your argument is completely without merit. Learn to write correct English and you won't view everything as having been written by an LLM.
So, not every such detector is as inaccurate as the one you have mentioned. Furthermore, I would much prefer that we focus on the extant evidence and not on irrelevant personal critiques.
So, your "extant evidence" boils down to either universally discredited AI detector scripts or a misguided comment from someone claiming poverty stems from not buying vegetables? Neither of these sources is remotely credible. The detector is nonfunctional, and the 4chan argument is uninformed at best. This isn’t a personal attack, it’s an observation of how weak and poorly founded your argument is. If you're going to engage in a discussion, at least base your points on sound reasoning rather than relying on flawed tools and logical fallacies.
a misguided comment from someone claiming poverty stems from not buying vegetables?
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the 4chan argument
Unless you mean the screenshot with a scan of your own comment, I haven't said anything like that.
And if you do, you've just dismissed yourself.
Either way, do better. As for the detector being nonfunctional, it's not true either. TechCrunch's test results prove otherwise, invalidating your conclusion.
Your reference to TechCrunch’s test results doesn’t change the fact that AI detectors are still inconsistent and unreliable. Many tests across multiple platforms, including real-world usage, show these detectors flagging even human-written content as AI-generated. Dismissing this doesn’t invalidate my point, it just highlights a misunderstanding of the limitations of these tools.
Also, claiming I "dismissed myself" is nonsensical. It doesn’t address the core argument and only serves to deflect. If you're genuinely interested in productive discussion, address the substance, not these vague attempts at undermining the argument.
100% i moved out at 18 and was surprised how cheap food is if you make it yourself, I spend $30 a week on groceries and spend 2 hours making food for my 4 12 hour shifts
Sunday - large meal, probably a stew or something like that, this week it was beef stew.
Monday - we usually do a frozen pizza or a frozen pasta with brocolli or cauliflower.
Tuesday - Leftovers from Sunday
Wednesday - Probably a stirfry or some pasta with a side vegetable, I try to do a salad or something but I just fucking hate it, so it's usually brocolli again.
Thursday - Usual something fast, by this point in the week I'm fuckin tired. Sometimes we do takeout, sometimes I throw rice in the cooker and do one of those steamer veggie meals that comes with a sauce.
Friday - I try to cool something that will give us lunch leftovers for Saturday, last week was chicken cutlets pounced out thin and cooked on the grill, served with lentils and "Spanish" rice.
Saturday is doordash night, usually pizza or Chinese.
Breakfast every day is a turkey Sausage croissandwich or (usually early in the week,) oats with fresh/dried fruit.
I wfh two days a week and will usually make grilled cheese and some fruit for my wife and I for lunch. The rest of the week is leftovers or a mid-tier frozen meal, my work caters one day a week for lunch so I eat whatever is free.
My grocery budget is about 85-90 a week plus a 300 dollar monthly Costco trip.
I would argue that it's down to a taste thing then, and people can thrive in one area that they prefer whilst skimming down in others. I grew up with a lot of asian cooking so I can survive the monotony of rice for every meal and maybe the same dish for 3 days straight. This makes my food budget much lower for myself down to maybe $30 a week when I try, $60 a week half assing it. This frees up more money and time for outdoorsy equipment, gym, and video games whilst also keeping me fairly healthy. I'm fine with this because I derive more enjoyment from staying active than I do from the simple act of eating.
Tl;dr people "thrive" differently and if beans and rice frees you up to do something fun and stay healthy, then that's cool. If you get more joy from something new at the dinner table each day, then that works fine as well.
do you think Asian people are eating rice and white meat chicken for every fucking meal? Do you think the commenter living off 30 dollars a week is slanging fucking Szeuchuan style meals? No he's eating soviet meat rations and pinto beans on white rice.
Your absolute lack of contextual understanding is expected, but still disappointing.
The only two possibilities are that someone eats the worst junk food available at every chance, or they eat like a 1500s peasant. There is nothing in between.
Spices are not really that expensive, stuff like ginger, garlic, cinnamon can add a lot of depth to…. Beans and chicken stock(??). You can blend them into the cooking in small amounts or boil slices whole into food
And adding variety to that isn’t that hard either, you can swipe the rice out for potatoes, “boil” them in the microwave and then lightly pan fry them with a bit of salt and spice, about the same amount of work as boiling rice.
Beans are filled with protein and have more protein per dollar than any meat... One 15oz standard can of black beans has 28 grams of protein, about the same as 1 chicken breast, and costs like $0.80. That costs gets further cut in half (or more) if you buy dry beans and soak them overnight. I promise you're not gonna find edible chicken break for less than $0.50 a breast in the year of our lord 2024
I was getting a week's food off $25-30, but this was about a decade ago so prices are probably more like $30-35 now. Also, I live in a rural area with loads of farms, so prices might be abnormally cheap.
Buy a dozen eggs, 2 loaves of cheap bread, 1 gallon of milk, and butter/spices as you run out. Breakfast will be eggs and buttered toast. Buy some jelly as a treat if you have money left over. Drink milk as you like with breakfast and dinner.
For lunch/dinner, I had 3 dishes I would make in rotation. One of them would last me 3-4 days, so I was only cooking those meals twice a week. All three cost about $10-15.
Dish one was chili. 1lb dry beans, 1lb Jimmy Dean hot sausage or other spiced ground pork product, 1 big onion, 1 can of RoTel or other canned hot peppers, 2 cans tomato sauce, 1 can diced tomatoes, some red bell peppers, and your favorite hot sauce. Soak beans overnight. Boil the beans for at least 10 minutes, then drain and put them in a crock pot with the canned ingredients. Chop up the fresh veg and add them, and mix in the ground pork. Season with cumin, oregano, garlic powder, and smoked paprika or chipotle. The sausage should have enough salt already that more is not needed. Cook on low while you're at work. Serve with hot sauce and toast with garlic powder and salt on top for cheap-ass garlic toast.
Dish two was chicken soup. Get the cheapest chicken available, carrots, onion, celery, chicken bullion cubes, and egg noodles. Dice the chicken and veggies. Put in a stock pot. Add 3 quarts to 1 gallon of water. Add 1 cube per quart of water. Add lots of pepper and garlic powder, 2 bay leaves, bring to a boil and simmer. Check halfway through cooking if you need some more salt or if the bullion was enough. When veggies are soft and chicken is cooked, remove the bay and add the noodles. Simmer until noodles are almost done, they'll keep cooking once you remove the pot from the heat. Once again, several with garlic toast (what can I say, it's a cheap source of carbs and fat!).
Dish three was burrito bowls. Buy 1 lb beans, 1 lb Jimmy Dean hot sausage or similar, 1 big onion, a 5lb bag of rice, fresh jalapeno or Serrano peppers, and your favorite hot sauce. Soak beans overnight. Boil beans for 10 minutes, then put them in the crock pot. Chop the veggies and add them. Mix in the sausage. Season with garlic powder, cumin, and smoked paprika or chipotle. Add just enough water to cover everything, then add 1 cup more. Cook on low while you're at work. When done, cook some rice. Make a big bowl of rice, then mix in a big ladle-full of the beans. Add hot sauce to taste. Looks like dog food, but tastes like heaven.
Chuck roast(cheap beef cut) where I live comes out to maybe $20 for 3 lbs. Add in some potatoes, onions, carrots and maybe beef stock for ~$10 total and that's a meal for the week.
Anon isn't wrong but I'd add that these foods spoil unlike ramen and kraft mac n cheese. Also most coupons seem to be for processed garbage and not fresh fruit. These are important considerations when you're broke. Your best option is probably to buy fresh, healthy food and meal prep shortly after.
So is this guy only buying for 1 ? And only 1 pound ? And 1 day ? If you wanna make healthy meals that don’t taste like shit its really not that cheap especially if you have a family with kids. Its not as cut and dry as this.
Those are a bit tougher. Berry fruits and leafy greens go bad quickest in my experience.
I usually try to keep them by the coldest part of the fridge, just above freezing. If they go a bit soft, you could also try dunking them in cold water before eating.
I’ve heard some people suggest dunking them in vinegar to kill mold but I don’t know about that, they at your own risk lol
The one method I did which is time consuming btw is to cut off the leaves/stem, wash them and then dry them and put them in a sealed jar. They don’t last indefinitely but significantly longer than in the container they come in
Yeah, don't buy strawberries. Literally berries like that are the one food I can never keep for long, that and yoghurt. Ig freezing would work but then you might as well just buy frozen fruit
I typically will dry greens or apples if they’re in danger of going bad. I think greens freeze well if you blanch them first. I’ve never tried to freeze apples though. You can’t make a salad out of frozen or dried greens but they’re still good in smoothies.
I can order a large and medium pizza for 20 euro, food for 3. Or I go to the shop and spend at least the same on a normal meal. Just chicken for us would be already above 10 euro. Then vegetables, butter, rice, sauce, herbs, ...
it actually is, there's so many cheap easy dishes that can be cooked in bulk if you take some time to learn. like spaghetti sauce if buy crushed tomatoes, garlic, an onion, some spices which you probably already have, whatever else you want in it. tastes 100x better than the jarred stuff and is cheaper to make, and you'll end up with a larger quantity
yeah, $5 a pound but you're not going to find anything weighing less than two and a half. so I can either pay 13 bucks for raw chicken and still need all the other ingredients that I'd have to cook in bulk, or 2 bucks for a McChicken I can finish in 5 minutes and not stress over.
Not really, using some spices can massively improve the taste, while choosing the right ingredients makes it possible to freeze it and have a decently tasting meal after thawing it again. I've been mad busy lately and am broke as hell but it ain't stopping me from taking out 4-5h on a sunday to cook enough healthy food to last me for the week. Knowing how to cook is the only real challenge in it all imo.
exactly why u meal prep in 1 day for the entire week, taste might be affected a little in some cases but atleast its 100x better than whatever goyslop you'd get in any fastfood joint.
I mean there's something to say about why people with higher incomes are healthier and purchase less fast food and it can't just be that people who are poorer are the only ones eating like shit on purpose
Anytime I hear someone say it’s expensive to eat healthy I just roll my eyes. I think these idiots think eating healthy is getting the more expensive packaged foods or some shit. You can get enough nutrient rich food to last you for a week getting good macros odor the same price as some junk food that’ll last you 3 days.
It’s just a bunch of people that don’t want to be held accountable for their own shortcomings, they’d rather blame everyone else. The biggest excuse I see in every thread like this is “time”, like millions of people everywhere don’t also work 40 hours a week and manage to eat healthy with little money.
Buy a bag of potatoes for $5, poke holes in two with a fork, put them in the microwave for 6 minutes, and then squish them with the same fork when they’re done. Boom, that’s about 8 mashed potato meals at 220 calories each, and for $5 total.
Generally when I hear about how it’s expensive to be poor it’s about how you can’t afford regular doctor visits for prevantative care so eventually you end up in the hospital with an emergency and get a huge bill. How you can only afford shitty work boots so they wear out every year instead of one nice pair that’s twice as much but lasts over a decade.
Pretty consistently I’ve heard cooking for yourself as a way to save money specifically because of what OP is pointing out. If someone thinks they’re saving money by going out to eat, they’re delusional.
I think a lot of this gets twisted and purposely misinterpreted as a way to catch out poor, struggling people cause every poor person that doesn’t eat healthy always, doesn’t often eat out but they buy frozen junk food which is just as unhealthy and that saves on travel costs and saves time they don’t often have cause work/responsibilities/shit life conditions is physically draining. Also while yes cooking and doing meal prep is cheaper than going out that doesn’t automatically mean the food they are preparing and making is exactly healthy and in a lot of cases enough.
TL;DR it’s rough out here of you are poor and simply bulk buying processed foods can save money as you save money elsewhere (like making 1 trip instead of multiple when food spoils) and lots of home prepped meals are not the pinnacle of healthy, tasty, filling foods and also a lot of these opinions people say are an ideal situation basis and a lot of poor people do not have the desired situation to make that outcome feasible (I’ve known people to work and the place where they live only had a hob and microwave eating healthy or enough is significantly harder in some cases)
Not to mention completely ignoring that produce goes bad very quickly, even when stored properly. The other point he didn’t touch on at all is that the unhealthy fast or regular food places are everywhere, while there’s practically no places analogous to them that serve healthy food. There are places like Subway that claim to be healthy, but then they can’t even legally call their bread ‘bread’ in the EU because of its sugar content.
Anon is comparing apples to Big Macs with very little nuance.
Also it ignores the fact you can just bulk buy cheap shit to throw in a freezer/cupboard and it saves on transport and time which say a poorer parent doesn’t have, like for many people the options are eat healthy but the food isn’t as appetising and is likely less filling so they’d be hungry more or have issues maintaining weight (so they’d naturally have to eat more), or buy stuff like ramen or frozen processed foods, fries etc. which most shops sell very cheap and generic which last 3x as long and if you’re 1 or 2 meals a day poor just provides you more energy and whatnot
Instead of just complaining here is a sound long term solution to poverty and financial struggles. It involves multiple moving parts, but it essentially boils down to addressing wages, inflation, healthcare, and early childhood support. Businesses increasing wages is a crucial first step. Higher wages give workers more financial stability, allowing them to afford healthier food, better housing, and other essentials. This not only improves quality of life but also stimulates the economy as people have more spending power. At the same time, the government needs to work on reducing inflation, which disproportionately affects low-income families. High prices for groceries, rent, and utilities make it nearly impossible for people to get ahead, even if wages rise. Effective policies to control inflation can help keep essential costs in check. Reducing healthcare costs is also vital. Medical expenses can cripple a family financially, especially in low-income households. By making healthcare more affordable, people are less likely to have to choose between paying for a doctor’s visit or putting food on the table. Finally, early childhood support, including better access to childcare, nutrition programs, and education, plays a huge role in breaking the cycle of poverty. By investing in kids from a young age, we set them up for success, reduce inequality, and ensure a healthier, more skilled future workforce.
tl;dr
The solution is: increase wages, lower inflation and healthcare costs, and strong support for early childhood development will create a more sustainable and equitable future.
Queue the flood of angry libertarians disagreeing with every single thing I say. You worship zero sum games. The only path forward is non zero sum games.
Like at a butcher shop, or at a Costco? That's really, insanely high for the US unless you're looking at a specialty/health store or like wings in particular.
I almost always prefer thighs to breasts TBH, though you often have to reduce the other fats you're using cuz thighs are so fatty
I checked because of this thread and yeah the price of chicken breasts has gone crazy recently, that's wild. Out of curiosity, where can you use chicken breasts when you can't use thighs? Any baked, grilled, or pan fried dishes I've tried have worked great with thighs and a bit less olive oil or butter, but I'm always excited to try a new recipe!
In Sydney a whole fresh roast chicken from the supermarket is au$8, stuffed and seasoned.
Lasts me an entire week though by the end it does taste kinda like cardboard
I'm looking at the site for my nearest grocery right now and chicken breast is $9/lb, tomatoes $2/lb, package of spinach is $5 for 5 oz ($16/lb), apples are $2-$4/lb, potatoes $1.30/lb, and cabbages are $1.80/lb. The only thing close to anon is bananas for $.50/lb. How are all of you getting such cheap fucking produce? I'm in a city that is considered to have a relatively low cost of living, in an agricultural state, right next to a fucking railroad. Why does my produce cost almost double? No wonder y'all aren't mad about the cost of food. God damn I'm getting ass-fucked over here.
5 bucks a pound is a little high for sure, but meat prices in the US and Canada are kept artificially low via subsidies for farms.
With a quick Google search there's many places in the EU chicken costs more than that (though the average across the EU seems a little lower than 5 bucks a pound).
When you forget that meat used to be a luxury and there’s no reason you have to eat meat every day if you’re struggling to make ends meet. Just have rice and lentils like all the rest of the poor people have for centuries
You can get a rice cooker and have rice for a week. You can just put chicken/ meat and veggies in the oven at leave them there till they're cooked, in the meantime you can just do something else, and you have food for the whole week. That is like 20 minutes tops. If you worry about spending too much time in the grocery store, dont go until you have a list, or youll spend more time than needed. Also there are always coupons in the mail, and deals of the week for stores near you, make sure to check them out. Stores also have a weekly deal section in their websites. You can get junk food for so much cheaper, 90% of the junk food i buy is from deals. A bag of 240.9 g cheetos is like 4-5 dollars each, but with certain deals you can get them for like 1-2 dollars each, if you buy like 4 to 6 bags. So in bulk sometimes is cheaper, but you can just store them and you have snacks for a long time
What they mean is that it's expensive to find good tasting pre prepared foods. Not that the base ingredients themselves are expensive (although that too is becoming a larger issue as inflation
rises and purchasing power declines. This is because boomers failed to learn from their parents on how to establish a good relationship with cooking and food and got indoctrinated by the advent of commercial cooking as a way to feed their kids. Thus they never passed the knowledge down and just shoveled slop onto gen x and and y.
As a youngin who recently moved out on my own, healthy food is cheap, and i totally could buy it with my money if i bothered. i am too busy with work and school, though, thus i only eat mcdonald and hot chip (:
I imagine anon doesn’t need to spend much money since his perception of reality is based on what he reads on the internet, so he’s probably chronically online and doesn’t engage in real life activities that cost money
Superfoods are expensive, and are designed to be to cash in on fads. Avocado's are a great example. Eating healthy in general however is dirt cheap, but people don't like to make effort to cook.
Food stamps won't buy cooking utensils. It costs hundreds of dollars to build up to the point where you can cook home meals. On the other hand, easily prepared, microwavable food is terrible for you.
I think they are probably comparing eating junk food takeout vs "healthy" food takeout. Which is a huge nothing burger because takeout is a luxury in itself.
Would cost significantly more if it weren't for government handouts. Gotta love how my tax dollars are going to a holocaust I don't support in the name of a luxury people don't need.
next theyll bitch about happiness and how you need some junk food to be happy. this is complete bs because taste is completely arbitrary. look no further than japan for proof of this
Organic food is expensive, junk food and supermarket veggies are cheap for a reason, they're filled with chemicals, plus when amazon won't let you take bathroom breaks I'm pretty sure the workers won't have the time to shop,prep, cook and clean up.
aaronrandango2@reddit
The real cost is time
xxwarlorddarkdoomxx@reddit
I’ve seen this argument a lot here and I’m calling BS. There are tons of cheap, healthy meals you can easily prepare in literal minutes. Not everything has to be a fancy recipe.
A lot of people just don’t know how to cook and assume it takes a long time.
Justindoesntcare@reddit
How much time and effort does it take to cut up some vegetables and roast them with chicken while you boil some rice? You can eat that for like 3 fuckin days straight with hardly an hours effort.
xxwarlorddarkdoomxx@reddit
Exactly. Anyone who says they don’t have the time to do this has never tried to do it. In no world does this take more time than driving to a fast food place, ordering and waiting for foods, then driving back. Not to mention how much you’ll save in the long run
mynameajeff69@reddit
Haven't you talked to any human being. People who work 40 hours complain they don't have the time to do chores and cook and whatever else. So many people do it's insane to me. It's just bad time management.
Justindoesntcare@reddit
Oh my God. 40 hours. Before kids if I had a 40 hour week I could still cut the lawn, make dinner, take a shower, and have time for video games. I have no sympathy for these people. I pulled it off with 50 or 60 hours in construction. People are weak. In b4 "I'm a disabled yadda yadda yadda". That's different if it's real.
XDDDSOFUNNEH@reddit
The response most people will have to that is "but muh variety"
Fredest_Dickler@reddit
Muh variety of goyslop from McSlop and Slop King
mynameajeff69@reddit
I mean there is nothing wrong with wanting a variety of food in your life. Just don't complain about it taking more time.
Justindoesntcare@reddit
There's no excuse for that these days. There is more cooking instruction on YouTube and the rest of the internet than anyone can ever hope to consume in 5 lifetimes. Watch a a video on pad Thai you stupid fucks. Take one day out of the week to go out and get sushi or something you wouldn't normally make at home.
GoodTitrations@reddit
I legit saved money eating healthier than buying junk. Especially if you get things like a crock pot or rice cooker (very easy to find cheap, reliable ones these days). Broke undergrad/grad student and I’ve never had issues buying food. Granted, I understand that having a family makes it more challenging, but it wouldn’t be THAT much more expensive to scale my meals up.
xXrektUdedXx@reddit
I can cook my lunches for the week within 2h on a casual Sunday, including cleaning and packing it up, 1 more hour for dinners while I'm at it. I make breakfasts the night before within 8 mins (oats).
Pretty sure most people spend more time weekly while going to, waiting, coming back from fast food restaurants.
If you know anything about cooking and mealprep it's not that bad at all, the hardest part is polishing your skills until you can do this efficiently and make good food, but it's a very tame price compared to the long term benefits of it all.
project571@reddit
I feel like the person you are replying to is getting half of the equation right.
The issue is time + energy. If you look at what some of these people are getting from grocery stores, it's easy stuff like kraft mac and cheese or frozen shit. All of these things can be made super easily in the spur of the moment after work and require the minimum effort when it comes to making any food. I grew up poor and around poor people and I can tell you that some families had the mom actually cooking real food to help save on costs while the dad worked and other families had a both parents chipping in but that meant they commonly had to sacrifice some meals to just be ramen noodles or some frozen junk.
I think so many people try to give a complete pass to poor people in order to say they aren't lazy and it's not their fault when it ignores the reality. The reality is that there is definitely some component of laziness involved, but it's unfortunate that for poor people they have far less leniency available towards them when it comes to this laziness before they are screwed financially or in their health.
Poor people definitely should get some base amount of leniency that we apply to everyone, but also recognize that there are still shortcomings for many and areas that people can work to improve their lives/situations without just waiting for a purely systemic solution
AtomicMonkeyTheFirst@reddit
If only fresh meat and vegetables could be frozen somehow and then defrosted later when needed.
project571@reddit
I think maybe you don't understand what I am saying. When I say frozen junk, I mean like a bag of pizza rolls or a prepacked meal. It is objectively easier to cook those things than to take frozen meat and turn it into a similar meal (unless you literally plan to just take the frozen meat and chuck it straight into the oven and that's the whole meal which is never the case).
Yes, you can store healthy foods for later and cook them/use them later. That does not remove any of the time or effort necessary to cook them which was my whole point
AtomicMonkeyTheFirst@reddit
https://www.tasteofhome.com/collection/delicious-dinners-in-10-minutes/
JosephBeuyz2Men@reddit
Rich people are just as lazy but when they don’t feel like cooking, or run out of time, they can go to a restaurant or hire someone to cook for their kids. Both rich and poor can end up in a stupid situation where they lose all sense of a healthy diet even though it’s fixable.
project571@reddit
Yeah that was my whole point about leniency which may not have been the best word. Poor people don't have the money to save time when they get lazy, so their health takes the hit instead which is part of the reason why poorer people have worse health outcomes besides the specific care they receive.
seandoesntsleep@reddit
Yea i think this hits it. Also laziness needs to be somthing we dont treat as evil. Leisure time relaxation ect are extremely important for people and having 0 down time leads to immense burnout.
If you are budgeting every hour in the day every dollar spent and every drop of energy to spare you arent fucking lazy becouse you want to smoke a bowl and watch the Kardashians or whatever.
Citiz3n_Kan3r@reddit
I mean... ill judge you for other reasons because your choice of tv is questionable, an that you blaze but youre right, humans have to switch off for a bit at times
seandoesntsleep@reddit
I dont do either, but you prove my point. "Trashy leisure activities" is stupid. Let people spend there time the way they want to spend there time
GeorgeousTopDog@reddit
Even when I used to work 14-16 hour shifts mon-fri and a 10 hour on Saturdays, I'd still be able to prep meals on a Sunday, all I had to do at night was throw it all in a wrap or cook some rice depending on how hungry I was. People are just lazy and prefer excuses instead of integrity
Deathisfatal@reddit
There's a big difference between meal prepping for yourself and having to feed a family with kids wanting something different every day
GeorgeousTopDog@reddit
Cook large amounts of 3 or four different meals, teach the kids to help you cook, and make an actual effort to provide a healthy diet and be a role model to your children. Stop contributing to generational weakness
EatsFiber2RedditMore@reddit
Such conviction can only come from pure ignorance. Have you ever spoken with a child? They are being of pure chaos, their favorite toys are knives, and fuck your sleep. Fuck it, no sleep for you. Don't even get me started on the diseases those little monsters bring home.
seastatefive@reddit
Once you pester them enough, they will help with chores. They will take the easy way out if you do stuff for them.
rddsknk89@reddit
Lmao you have no idea what you’re talking about
Anonemuss42@reddit
“Teach the kids to help you cook”
While youre a single mother working two jobs? Or nights even?
MothMonsterMan300@reddit
The only generational weakness around here is your chin
SaveFileCorrupt@reddit
If your children are running the show because you oblige their tantrums and pickiness, then you're failing as a parent.
TON-OF-CLAY0429@reddit
Yeah dude totally people should just feed their kids grills chicken for 16ish years straight that’s gotta be what a good parent would do.
Pass_us_the_salt@reddit
Yes because people can't change up the food every week or maybe just 2 different meals for two weeks. You're gonna freak out when you realize that like 70% of asian cuisine involves rice for every meal.
System0verlord@reddit
There’s a big difference between wanting variety in your diet and throwing tantrums and pickiness.
Pass_us_the_salt@reddit
I mean my parents basically said they didn't have the time for any variety and I was welcome to starve myself until next week's meal prep as an alternative.
naturalbornsinner@reddit
Yeah, but my mom used to meal prep for 2 kids, my dad and her. It's doable. Not saying it's fun and it doesn't eat a lot of time, but depending on what you expect to eat and such, it's not something outrageous either.
Hell, there's fairly healthy pre-recorded food as well nowadays. More expensive than making it yourself, but at 4-5$/meal I'd say it's reasonable.
Makyura@reddit
Why are you having a child if you can't afford one?
Deweyrob2@reddit
A Reddit moment? On greentext? Bless my soul.
vaderman645@reddit
State says I have too, fertility control is banned
TehWhitewind@reddit
You're saying birth control and condoms are banned in your state as well?
Makyura@reddit
You are still making that choice, and it is entirely your fault
Mobile_Molasses_9876@reddit
Really? "Kids wanting something different every day"? Who gives a fuck what kids want? They want a pony. They want to be a princess, Power Ranger, or whatever. They can't have that.
They will eat what you make them, and like it. Or they won't like it. Not your fucking problem.
ThrowRAIdiotLover007@reddit
Thank goodness you're not a parent
ineedenlightment@reddit
Batch cook and freeze, defrost in the morning and by the time you are back from work it just needs to be heated up. Things like soups/stews/chilli's are great.
Mobile_Molasses_9876@reddit
When I was a kid, our chest freezer was always full of spaghetti sauce, soup and chili. Our freezer containers were empty half-gallon paper milk cartons sealed with freezer tape labeled with Magic Marker.
I once made so much spaghetti sauce that the vegetable portion topped off my 20-quart stock pot. I had to cook up the meat in my 6-quart pan and mix them together. Froze 5 gallons in Ziploc freezer bags and ate the rest fresh. Didn't even share. I had spaghetti for dinner maybe 3 times a week for over a year.
Strigoi_Felin@reddit
Kids can eat what's available or not eat.
fREDlig-@reddit
This is how I was brought up and it is all good. What I learned as a parent is that some kids just accept not eating as a solution. Which creates new problems.
AndorElitist@reddit
Still amazes me how grown adults don't know how to cook, grow tf up and make fajitas, spaghetti carbonara/puttanesca/aglio olio, chicken curry, gnocchi alla sorrentina, stir frys, home-made burgers, halushki, rice, soup, shakshuka, literally so many quick and simple and healthy dishes out there that you can make fresh in 20 min, 40 min to an hour at most.
Be smart about it and buy frozen veg in bulk, it's pre-cut so you don't have to waste time. Make a large batch of sauce, something like avocado with coriander, garlic and parsley which you can keep for a few days and add to anything. Make your kids do it for once and maybe they'll relieve the pressure instead of contributing to it
DM_me_goth_tiddies@reddit
The frank fact of the matter is they may better well learn of the course of their lives if they realise that they will not be getting what they want every day and instead will be getting something nutritious; it is a choice a responsible adult will make for them.
Feeding children junk food to satiate their demands will only condemn them to spoilt life of indulging in saturates.
maggiemayfish@reddit
My darling, if you were genuinely working that much then somebody was exploiting the shit out of you. People are not lazy or lacking integrity for not wanting to live like that.
GeorgeousTopDog@reddit
Lol I was 19 making 80k plus personal use of a work vehicle, my darling I was making bank and dinner, suck it up buttercup
maggiemayfish@reddit
Maybe it's just me, but 80k for working 90 hour weeks, then spending your one day off cooking doesn't seem like a huge amount of bank tbh. But you do you, boo.
Zesty-Lem0n@reddit
Yeah people are just lazy. It takes some time learning about nutrition and finding good recipes and getting your cycle down to the most optimized routine. They just can't be bothered to take that single step toward making their life better. Like at this point I'm a chicken breast master bc I've cooked one every day for like the last 500 days, no hobby gives you as many reps and seamless integration into your life like food.
System0verlord@reddit
I think I might kill myself if I had a chicken breast for lunch every day for like a year and a half.
-xXColtonXx-@reddit
I mean there is an almost infinite variety of cheap healthy food if you get tired. Chicken breast is honestly a lot of work to prep. Tofu is super convenient, high in protein, cheap and you can even find shelf stable version. Lentils are even cheaper, shelf stable, high in protein other things. Ground turkey can be tasty if prepared right, though I don't really like it. Chickpeas you can get in a can if you can't be bothered to cook them yourself. Eggs can be prepared a million different ways and are cheap and awesome.
System0verlord@reddit
Tf are you where eggs are cheap? They’re way more expensive here. So are chicken breasts. And cheese. And meat. And that’s basically all I can eat at the moment (yay medical issues) even though I’d love a nice salad.
-xXColtonXx-@reddit
Eggs are $2.00 a dozen at ALDI. Price varies though. Sometimes they are as much as $2.50. I could live off of only eggs for $5.00 a day. That seems reasonably cheap to me.
Snoo-65318@reddit
what are you making that lasts til the end of the week?
PM_MEOttoVonBismarck@reddit
I've been making lots if stir-frys lately that are high in protein. The longest part is cutting and cooking the chicken breast. Then you basically just throw everything in for 20-30 minutes and bam, you lunch for the week is done.
SlonyMidgal@reddit
I envy you so fucking much, because I've been cursed with inability to eat the same type of food for longer than a few days, so I have to cook a different thing every few days.
I mean, I still love cooking, but thinking about how much time I could save by cooking a week's worth of the same food makes me question my life choices.
-Rum-Ham-@reddit
How do the lunches keep so long? Or am I just paranoid about how long my leftovers last
MothMonsterMan300@reddit
I've tried to prep so many times but I'm sick af of the food halfway through it. Don't get me wrong, it's the way to go, but when it's Wednesday and you're on your sixth burrito of the week it gets stale.
DreamDeckUp@reddit
want to be my boywife?
haraldlaesch@reddit
Watchu cookin, bro
aaronrandango2@reddit
Proud of you lil bro, hope other people can take inspiration from this and start cooking more
Aggravating-Split855@reddit
Step one: turn on crock pot, step two: throw all that shit in there, step 3: allow to cook while you’re working. Done.
leastemployableman@reddit
Having a crock pot is a huge life hack and has saved me massive amounts of time. Cooked an entire Thanksgiving ham all day and maybe spent a total of 20 minutes in the kitchen prepping the potatoes, gravy, and veggies. The rest of the day was just hanging out with my family instead of having one person just slaving away in the kitchen making food.
Yangjeezy@reddit
hey mind sharing your ham instructions?
leastemployableman@reddit
https://youtu.be/2J8gdtvWOhU?si=F-iURV_o3fn5IDCz
I legit just followed this recipe on YouTube. It turned out delicious and was incredibly easy to make.
Yangjeezy@reddit
Yo da mvp dawg
EtteRavan@reddit
Hey, that's insert Eastern Europe country specialty ! My grandma used to do that, but with alcohol as a sauce !
asongofuranus@reddit
Which can be spent watching Kardashians, Dr. Phil or on phone while waiting in a drive-through.
nameyname12345@reddit
Easy now you can't expect us all to multitask like that!
MenstrualMilkshakes@reddit
The trick is to watch Dr. Phil and pleasure yourself using his wife's MLM scam skin cream and cum every time he say's "I'm a mandated reporter"
Low_Abrocoma_1514@reddit
Damn Capitalism
Abc123rage@reddit
What
seastatefive@reddit
It's about an hour from prep to cook to eat to wash. Less if you cook a single pot meal that lasts for the day.
Simplest to cook is pasta. With cheese pasta as the first dish you make, you can branch out to Bolognese, bacon, carbonara, mushroom, smoked salmon, grilled salmon, grilled chicken and so on as toppings.
Then once you have that you can work on stews. Then soups and sauces. Then rice and risotto, then baked chicken, then oven roasts.
captaincw_4010@reddit
And energy, the lowest paying jobs are so wearing on the mind and body, all people have left in the tank for is heating up a frozen pizza for the family and a big coke to take the edge of the misery inherent with being broke
Mobile_Molasses_9876@reddit
Lame excuse. I have worked for minimum wage (and less). My roommate was always buying the cheapest hot dogs, breaded chicken patties, hamburger helper, all that stuff. Just garbage food. The same amount of money could buy twice the weight in real food (minus the waste from bones and peels and whatnot). Make a stock before you throw those bones and carrot and onion ends away, and save a few bucks on premade stock.
Unless you are actually homeless and have no way to prepare real food, eating cheap shitty food is entirely a choice.
-xXColtonXx-@reddit
The reality is it's not really about energy as much as never being taught good habits or knowing "how to cook" without a recipe.
It is far far more effort to get in the car, drive to pick up food, and drive home than to spend 10 minutes microwaving a potato and throwing some toppings on it, or heating up last nights black beans.
Tonythesaucemonkey@reddit
throwing whatever and rice into a pot is easy af.
hawley78@reddit
Agreed, it’s just that from the beginning to the end of time losers will lose, and winners will find a way to win. Nothing more.
big-peetard@reddit
Few people achieve a cost-time proportion that incentivizes take out food over cooking their own
Accomplished_Bet_781@reddit
Is it though? It’s not hard to boil whole grain pasta and drop a tuna can + tomatos in their juice from a can. It takes like 10 minutes.
If it needs more time, I put a timer on the stove and play a dota turbo game, ehile it’s cooking.
People are just lazy. I don’t mind, I’m lazy too, but why lie about it? Just admit you are a lazy piece of shit, that’s fine by me. But blaming government for your laziness is dumb.
chiefoogabooga@reddit
I'm all for eating healthy, but that shit sounds like a punishment meal.
SlonyMidgal@reddit
Bro wtf fresh pasta + tuna steak in oil is literally a god tier food.
Tony_Khantana@reddit
Don't try to re-write that shit with "fresh pasta" and "tuna steak". Mf was talking about boiling noodles and opening a can of tuna on it and calling it a meal.
VRisNOTdead@reddit
Tuna in a can is still tuna
VRisNOTdead@reddit
And when heated up is yum
GoodTitrations@reddit
Less of a punishment than heart disease!
chiefoogabooga@reddit
If you live long enough something like half the population will end up with heart disease. Diet certainly plays a part, but living far longer than people used to also contributes to diseases that develop later in life.
On the flip side, a close friend of mine died from a heart attack last year at 43 years old. He worked out 3-5 times a week, ate fairly healthy, blood tests looked good, and had sudden cardiac dysrhythmia after rolling out of bed that morning and was dead a few minutes later.
Life is a crapshoot.
NFSKaze@reddit
Fr why not just drain and add after lmao
Accomplished_Bet_781@reddit
And mcdonalds is not?
You can add seasoning, onions, olives, cheese, spinach/rocket whatever. It was supposed to be fast and cheap example. There’s a lot of recipes if you look for them.
theyeshman@reddit
Replace the tuna with canned chicken or sautéed mushroom, bell pepper, and onion, and add a can of tomato sauce (and seasoning) and it's like a dollar more and actually good. Bonus points if you add the sautéed veggies and chicken but then it does actually significantly increase the price of the meal
MarinLlwyd@reddit
The real deals are also above what a single person can eat. Getting more spinach is cheaper, but it still only lasts a couple of days.
fixhuskarult@reddit
Cook it into something that will last longer? You can freeze that as well. Or.... Eat more spinach when you have it? All of these arguments are excuses/bring uneducated or ignorant about how to cook, which yes to some degree can be blamed by one's upbringing, but at the end of the day if you're an adult you have all the power to cook yourself cheap healthy meals. No it probably won't be as easy or tasty as eating out but that's not the point.
b-ri-ts@reddit
You can chop up spinach and freeze it very well in bags! Won't taste as good as fresh, but works very well in soups/stir fries/rice etc
aaronrandango2@reddit
There’s a business opportunity if you live in an apartment complex and have time, make balanced but easy meals in bulk and then sell to neighbors for McDonald’s prices
PePe-the-Platypus@reddit
Yes but no. Personally, I would invest in a airfryier apart form maybe a stove. Nothing more is needed and while oven could work, they are much bigger and thus less cost efficient than airfyiers.
So, a quick and reasonably healthy dinner:
Fries- peel the potatoes, cut them in thick fries, add salt little bit of oil and maybe some spices. Mix, then put them for 20-25 min in the airfryier on 175 degrees Celsius.
Chicken breast- get it from the package, cut off the fat and make into desirable sizes, the season it and pot on a very hot pan(previously oiled) until the insides are white
Salad- literally just cut some tomatoes and onion, then mix together, add salt and pepper
Really it is not a hard thing to do, I could do it when I was 13 years old.
aaronrandango2@reddit
Did you learn it yourself or did your parents teach you?
Reading through the responses it seems like a lot of the time issue could be fixed with proper education on cooking and meal prepping. Never really occurred to me cause I grew up cooking with my family, but it makes sense for friends I have who are scared to boil pasta.
I also think cook times are disingenuous if they don’t include walking time too. Let’s say you cook chicken breast with broccoli roasting in the oven and a basic pasta also on the stove. From start of chopping/cutting to the food being done it could be 15-25 minutes, but then you have 1 cutting board, 1 baking sheet, one pot, one pan, the plate you ate on, and all the utensils to clean up. Meal prep isn’t done until they’re all on the drying rack (I don’t have a dishwasher)
PePe-the-Platypus@reddit
Some taught but more of seen done by them.
As for washing the dishes, it’s additional 5 minutes of work maximum. Maybe more if you are washing for the whole family but even then, if done regularly it comes down to 10-ish minutes.
fixhuskarult@reddit
Cope
Mobile_Molasses_9876@reddit
Yeah, but it depends what kind of poor person we are talking about. Is it the couple working 3 or 4 jobs between them to raise their kids without government assistance, or someone whose sole source of income is government assistance? Working poor get a pass for trying to make 3 meals a day in their limited free time.
You don't even have a job? Don't whine about how much your fucking Lunchables™ cost. Your crotch spawn gets free school lunch. You have literally all day to find the lowest cost food you can, and prepare it however you like. Or you could just eat Spaghettios, frozen burritos and Encore chicken bullshit. It's so easy to not be a moron, for people who aren't fucking morons.
antilumin@reddit
Yeah either in getting the food, or how long it actually lasts. Nothing quite like getting some salad fixings only for them to turn brown or start to rot the next day. Practically have to go shopping every couple few days.
HemetValleyMall1982@reddit
And the friends we made along the way.
Ozymandias_1303@reddit
Including the time of going to the grocery store, which can be extreme depending on where you live.
_Zencer_@reddit
Nah. I meal prep a week of food for work in an hour.
cicciograna@reddit
The real cost is the friends made along the way
acdgf@reddit
Which is not worth very much for the poors anyways /s
QuintanaBowler@reddit
Food is overrated anyways. Food makes you fat.
mrpooker@reddit
I use to get shit on for pointing this out in high school. Ground beef chicken and some frozen fish are cheap too.
aaronrandango2@reddit
Time is usually the deciding factor on it, a lot of dishes do cook fast but not as fast as instant ramen.
For some people in America though the food desert thing is real too. You live 3 minutes away from kfc but 12 minutes from target/kroger, add in round trips with traffic and cooking becomes a much bigger hassle
BalefulRemedy@reddit
Thats why you buy weekly, no?
undreamedgore@reddit
Or monthy.
AustinLA88@reddit
Where do you store a month of groceries?
BalefulRemedy@reddit
I don't think poor families can do it monthly
UltimateInferno@reddit
That's part of why being poor is expensive. Bulk buying is cheaper in the long run but they probably can't buy all of that and rent.
an_achronist@reddit
When I was way poorer I used to do a monthly. Spend a decent percentage of my monthly wage on food. Dried stuff and freezables or ready frozen. By the time the next payday came I'd have a little surplus. Aim for stuff that takes time to perish, split your meats into prep size portions and freeze them down individually, tinned vegetables last literally years, that kinda thing.
MentalRadish3490@reddit
I live in a studio apartment and try to buy bulk when I can but sometimes I simply do not have the room. I imagine this is similar in a lot of low income households. When you’ve got McMansion storage space it’s easier to do those big hauls.
marshal_mellow@reddit
I used to live in a studio, no car, grocery store a mile away. So I'd have to walk and just buy what I could carry. Luckily I found a little korean grocery store nearby so I just got really into rice and kimchi and frozen dumplings.
zaforocks@reddit
Try bringing a week's worth of groceries for a family of four on a bus.
Kraehennebel@reddit
But people waste so much time on their phones or in front of the TV (both can be done while cooking too), its just a lazy excuse
misterdidums@reddit
It’s hard not to be lazy when you’re getting back from your second shift of the day. It’s hard to make yourself eat the same oven tray or crockpot dinner you’ve been eating all week.
It seems obvious that being poor is hard, but some of you clearly haven’t been in that position before. When your life sucks that hard, you find comfort where you can, and that doesn’t make you lesser.
WeeTheDuck@reddit
it doesn't make you lesser, but the medical bills that'll come from living that lifestyle surely will
misterdidums@reddit
Yeah it’s a whole vicious cycle
WeeTheDuck@reddit
which is why everyone should start trying to live healthier right now, it's probably the best investment you'll ever make
ShroomSensei@reddit
Not disagreeing with what you’ve said, but the people I’ve heard irl legitimately argue fast food is cheaper than healthy home-made food are just lazy. They don’t work 2 jobs, hell they often don’t work 1 full time job.
Don’t think I’ve ever met someone who’s actually struggling with multiple jobs ever try say fast food is cheaper, just that it’s much easier/faster.
aaronrandango2@reddit
I’d say it’s educational as well. I grew up cooking so it’s both fun and easy for me, but my friends who didn’t learn as kids struggle to catch up. It’s hard for them to motivate themselves to try something new that will culminate in 2-3 weeks of mediocre meals before they get good
WeeTheDuck@reddit
depends on their goals honestly. If they want a cheap healthy meal then it shouldn't be that far fetched. If they want a michelin stat gourmet meal that's another story
SalmonApplecream@reddit
Bro nah what do you mean. An hour round trip to the shops once a week is not exactly a gruelling task
hawley78@reddit
Still enough time to sit on the couch tired and scroll tik tok for 2 hours every night though. It’s really just first world problems and it’s always always the softest excuses ever, like your reasoning of 3min vs 12min travel time.
Standard in other countries to walk a couple hours a day just to collect drinking water. Let alone time spent acquiring food.
This is coming from a someone with a full time job, in school full time who gets little sleep. I don’t make much money, pay for all my own shit, and I’m awake 18 hrs a day. I still have time to cook and prepare meals for a whole week.
It’s take time and discipline, yeah it’s fucking difficult but you know what?
The inability to get it together and have the mindset to cook healthy meals for yourself and your family, is a small version, of the same reason why you won’t adapt and move your way up and out of poverty.
Losers wish it could happen, winners make it happen.
aaronrandango2@reddit
Proud of you lil bro, you’re doing good work and I hope the lazy poor people can find the motivation you have
Bronze_Rager@reddit
You need to prepare apples, bananas, carrots, broccoli, etc?
aaronrandango2@reddit
I’ll give you the first three (yes I eat carrot peels cause I’m lazy), but broccoli I prefer not eating raw it’s best when oven roasted
Eighty_88_Eight@reddit
This is literally a non argument, no shit it takes time to buy and cook food, do you really expect it not to? 12 minutes is a food desert? People like in outback Australia literally hours away from supermarkets and still make weekly trips there to buy their groceries for the week, why? Because that’s part of keeping yourself alive. It’s your own responsibility.
aaronrandango2@reddit
The USDA defines a food desert as a community where:
At least 20% of the population lives in poverty At least 33% of residents live more than 1 mile from a grocery store in urban areas At least 33% of residents live more than 10 miles from a grocery store in rural areas
12 minutes was based on personal experience, not the actual food desert definition. Unclear if 1 mile assumes they have a car or are taking public transportation (like in NYC)
Davethemann@reddit
Meat doesnt take that long to cook though lol
Pep-Sanchez@reddit
I have to imagine the argument is they work such long hours that they cannot take the time to prepare food because for sure “junk food” is more expensive than veggies. However anon hates poor people as he has not left his basement and does not take this or other examples like pop tarts and eggo waffles/cereal are definitely cheaper and easier than making breakfast and lunch
KebabLife2@reddit
How do we do it in Europe then?
DantesInporno@reddit
do what? i’m so tired of europeans pretending junk food doesn’t exist there. you have just as many cheap frozen foods and shit like pop tarts.
UsernameWasDeleted@reddit
Depends. Uk is full of junk just like America but its really hard to find any ready meal or crazy food in Ukraine
KebabLife2@reddit
We eat way less of that shit. Obesity (atleast where im from) is from lots of bread, beer and cold cuts. We still be buying bread in bakeries and not supermarkets (american toast bread lol). Eating shit like stews and soups, where Americans would gag.
DantesInporno@reddit
lmfao bro you do realize that not all american bread is wonderbread right? i only buy sourdough from the bakery section of the grocery store. i bought a baguette from the farmers market and there are many bakeries near me. that isn’t special. and soups and stews? stop kidding yourself, that isn’t some special regional thing. everyone everywhere eats soups and stews.
KebabLife2@reddit
Aight bro
DoodleBob29@reddit
And y'all think Americans are ignorant lmaooooo
Littleboypurple@reddit
Depending on where you live, you gotta try in order to find Wonderbread. It isn't the only thing we got for bread, Dark Rye is one of my personal favorites. Supermarket bread absolutely isn't just an American thing.
Also, imagine thinking that because you eat a bowl of soup, you're somehow flexing on Americans. Dude, Brunswick Stew, Gumbo, Étouffée, and Chili are American in origin. The concept of soup or stew isn't foreign to Americans, two of the most recognizable food companies in the US are Campbell's and Progresso, both mostly known for canned soup.
GoodTitrations@reddit
Their argument would be you have better public transit to get to places with better quality food, which is still a shit argument because even out in the boonies here we build like 50 stores where you can buy healthy food.
Istaycrispyy@reddit
Your workers aren’t expected to put in 50hrs a week
GoodTitrations@reddit
50+ hours a week still leaves time to run to the grocery store. If grad students can work 90+ hours a week, often with no car, and on like 22k, there’s no excuse.
KebabLife2@reddit
Not true. We regularly put that much in. Not whole Europe is Norway
Istaycrispyy@reddit
Yeah but all of America is America
artificialdeatheast@reddit
We have it way worse in Latin America and we still have time to cook? I don't know any lower class worker that lives on fast food over here
ambermage@reddit
Inserting into the anus.
yeetenheimer@reddit
Because your countries are way better than our own
Kraehennebel@reddit
Chicken with rice and vegetables takes 30min max. Alot of those people are just lazy
butterfingahs@reddit
10 minutes or so of prep. 20-30 minutes of actually cooking. 5-20 minutes of cleanup afterwards. All can get WAY longer depending on how many people you're cooking for.
wsdpii@reddit
I struggled so hard while working long hours with this, because an hour to cook and eat doesn't sound so bad until you put it in perspective. If you wake up at 530, drive to gym, work out, shower, get ready for work, you then have to cook and eat before getting to work (in my case, 8). Then you work 11 to 12 hours (now 7 or 8pm) it takes you an hour to cook, eat and clean from scratch, then you have to be in bed by 930 (so I can get 8 hours of sleep). You get no time to relax.
I meal prep on weekends and that only slightly fixes the problem. Lots of people struggle. Some people find it easy to order a pickup on their way home (or if they have money, time a doordash to arrive at their place).
WeeTheDuck@reddit
idk the exact timetable in an average day of your average Joe, but I can almost guarantee that if they are actually willing to put in the slightest effort to live healthier, they can spare a few hours per week meal prepping. There really is no excuse
butterfingahs@reddit
The point is, what it you don't have those few hours to spare.
I do, only because I lucked out with my commute, and don't have any dependents. Add either of those factors, and your free time is drastically shortened.
WeeTheDuck@reddit
if someone has less than 3-5hours of free time a week, I think they'll probably be worrying about other things first ngl
UltimateInferno@reddit
Yes. This is poor people we're talking about.
WeeTheDuck@reddit
they work 16hrs a day 7days a week?
MrTreasureHunter@reddit
Most meals for work nights take about 30 minutes total. There’s some cost associated with them though:
The big one- Knowledge- the cooking market is insanely saturated with poor quality information, bad recipes, misinformation, and sales pitches so learning can be a challenge.
Materials- non warped pans, air fryer, instant pot, food processor, quality knives, cutting boards, are accumulated over time and make a lot of these tricks possible.
Pantry Ingredients- I bet I have 200 different things on hand food-wise. Of my perishables I buy for what I plan, but I also plan for what I keep in stock. A young person or someone who doesn’t cook their own food isn’t likely to have a full pantry to draw from.
Knowledge again. It’s amazing how expensive it is to make 7 meals a week if you don’t have pantry items or any interrelationships between the items. If I buy cream but only know 1 dish that uses it, it’s adding the full carton of cost to my meal and over every dish that very expensive.
Knowledge again. If I don’t question why a jar of Marsala is $7 and try to make my own, that’s suddenly a pricy meal. Same with any sauce.
WeeTheDuck@reddit
yk, worst case scenario. Crack 3-4eggs in a bowl and microwave that shit for like half a minute. Scramble that abomination with some boiled/steamed veg then season to taste. It's literally that easy, especially if the only goal is to eat healthy on a budget
MrTreasureHunter@reddit
Yes, my friend in school was a saint and ate my bland unseasoned steamed chicken and rice and veggies. We all begin our journey with a single cooking item and a vague memory that we like meat.
WeeTheDuck@reddit
oh god unseasoned chicken, are you satan
MrTreasureHunter@reddit
No, satan makes things hot and spicy.
WeeTheDuck@reddit
that's fair
KAP1020@reddit
I'd like to argue against your second point here. I cook legitimately at least 90% of my meals in a frying pan, a sauce pan, and/or the oven. If im getting fancy I use my blender or my stand mixer but it doesn't take alot of special equipment to cook food or do it quickly. When I moved out of my dad house 3 years ago I got a frying pan, sauce pan, and a knife from Walmart and they're still the only 2 pans I even own/need to cook a meal in less than 30 minutes. I will however agree on knowledge being a huge factor. I cook for a living and it even took me some figuring out to learn how to cook meals at home in a timely manner.
MrTreasureHunter@reddit
Yes, you’re right. The more I cook the more I converge on fewer overall items.
But there’s a major skill or knowledge issue there. The gadgets help you do something and the. You learn enough to do it with more accessible tools. This is a major issue I see, just bad information out there selling us things instead of teaching us things.
I got a nice set of pans 10 years ago and …. Didn’t use them. They got this cooked on grime and it never came off and I thought it was normal and didn’t realize they were nice pans and went through a bunch of cheap pans and then one day realized these were really good pans and I’d shelved them because I was literally too stupid to use them.
Just literally did not have the skill or knowledge to use a goddamn pan correctly.
5thlvlwizard@reddit
People also aren't factoring in time for clean up. Having more tools and knowledge also help lower the time cost for this, as well.
MrTreasureHunter@reddit
Oh god yes. It’s easy to forget now, like I’m confident in my cooking that I’m cleaning as I go because I can leave 3 pans or whatever while I do a wash. And as we learn more we know we can get away with less pots/pans. But I remember a meal when I started was a full sink of scrubbing. Also we accumulate cleaning tools that work for us over time, like I don’t think anyone have ever articulated to me that cleaning hard stuff is like sanding wood, start with course and work towards fine. So chainmail, Mr sponge, sponge, magic eraser will solve most problems.
rlaxowns@reddit
Yeah the sauce thing is so real, even something simple like pasta sauce can get expensive if you aren't paying attention and just buy whatever is up front (not that I know how to make pasta sauce, I just buy the grocery store brand hidden farther down the aisle that is about half the price).
CaloricDumbellIntake@reddit
Yeah you can also just get some nice whole grain bread, chicken, lettuce, tomatoes, maybe cucumber and make yourself a nice salad in as long as it takes to cook the chicken.
Good salads can easily be made in 10 minutes with a bit of experience and they are tastier, healthier and more filling than junk food.
WeeTheDuck@reddit
ok, more filling is kinda pushing it lmao
CaloricDumbellIntake@reddit
There is not much that is less filling than highly processed junk food.
Salads are full of fiber which is really filling, chicken has lots of protein which takes a long time to digest as well, and with good bread I mean whole grain which has long carbohydrates chains, which also take long to digest.
Processed foods mostly contain short chain carbohydrates and often use sugar or high fructose corn syrup for flavor and preservation. Those are quickly digested and will have you hungry again quite quickly.
WeeTheDuck@reddit
idk man, I can probably slam 2-3 whole bowls of salads and it'd not fill me as much as a burger. Healthy sure, filling nah
PussyIgnorer@reddit
Plus you can just meal prep one day a week. Then you don’t even have to worry about it for the other 6 days.
Bronze_Rager@reddit
You need to prepare apples? Carrots? Broccoli? Bananas?
gothamvigilante@reddit
That is not a whole meal bro
Bronze_Rager@reddit
Why not? It is for me for breakfast and lunch and it is for much of the world...
outer_spec@reddit
How the hell is that shit a meal, you guys are missing two entire ass food groups
Bronze_Rager@reddit
Idk I eat fresh fruit for breakfast. Usually salad with almonds/cheese for lunch.
Dinner I make or wife cooks and is usually heavier.
outer_spec@reddit
You might want to see a doctor about that
WeeTheDuck@reddit
you don't need the whole array of nutrients in a single meal. I firmly believe that this misunderstanding is part of the reason for the rising obesity rates
outer_spec@reddit
🤓
Bronze_Rager@reddit
Why? My macros are amazing. Occasionally supplement with protein shakes
creeper205861@reddit
do you eat raw broccolis for dinner? Damn sad shit man
WeeTheDuck@reddit
you can quite literally microwave them and it'll be edible, throw in some low grade olive oil+salt and pepper. You just got yourself a dogshit salad that's edible and healthy
Bronze_Rager@reddit
Not dinner. But yeah, morning breakfast is fresh fruit. Salad for lunch with almonds and cheese.
Dinner I make or wife cooks.
ShankFraft@reddit
I've seen people use the "It's expensive to be poor" argument more on things like clothing and cars than food. Think cheap work boots that need to be replaced every few months.
LadrilloDeMadera@reddit
Have you ever coocked?
TheLittleBelowski@reddit
If time is the problem, you can prepare meals on the weekend and freeze them. Even frozen vegetables are still nutritious and take like 10 minutes to steam or sauté. There are options...
daflufferkinz@reddit
Anons point is valid but he is overlooking the fact that produce (like the big pack of spinach mentioned) tends to have significantly less calories than junk food.
Lacholaweda@reddit
Significantly more protein and vitamins also.
The fucked part is how the whole bag cooks down to 3 bites.
WeeTheDuck@reddit
that's why you eat it raw like god intended
Lacholaweda@reddit
Also want to add that when I saw this reply in my inbox I had totally forgotten the context and had fun trying to remember until it loaded. Lol
Lacholaweda@reddit
Also want to add that when I saw this reply in my inbox I had totally forgotten the context and had fun trying to remember until it loaded. Lol
Lacholaweda@reddit
I've been blessed with low blood pressure and a fast metabolism. I'm eating it steamed with garlic butter and salt. The entire bag in one sitting. Plus some meat for protein. Lately been into sausage. Rice on the side for carbs.
I also work out so if I didn't eat this much, I'd just wither away. Happened before.
PhoneEquivalent7682@reddit
You're not eating spinach by itself, mfs always find excuses
Wampalog@reddit
Great point! If only there was some sort of food that is incredibly cheap and high in calories. I'd probably call it something like "rice" or "bread."
WeeTheDuck@reddit
or beans even
Bagelman263@reddit
Olive oil is 500cal/$
daflufferkinz@reddit
no sane human being is going to get their calories from straight olive oil
bartholomewjohnson@reddit (OP)
That's what carbs are for
FancyFrogFootwork@reddit
This post fails to consider the challenges that many low-income individuals face. While fresh produce might appear cheap, people in poverty often don't have the time or resources to cook from scratch. Working multiple jobs, raising children, and managing a household as a single parent make convenience a necessity. Junk food is often quicker and easier to access, especially when time is limited. Additionally, many low-income areas are food deserts, where access to fresh and affordable ingredients is limited or nonexistent. Even if someone can find cheap produce, they may lack the tools, time, or stable kitchen environment to prepare it regularly. This isn't simply a matter of personal choice or ignorance; it's a systemic issue related to economic and social pressures that make healthy eating more difficult for those in poverty.
Matt_2504@reddit
You really telling me that these fatties don’t spend that time they saved watching TV or Netflix? It’s not difficult to cook some basic meals involving meat and vegetables. You don’t even have to cook most vegetables or any fruits, and for meat you can buy tinned meat and fish for cheap and it doesn’t need cooking
captaincw_4010@reddit
Of course, it's escapism from the misery inherent in being broke as all hell. It's why therapists always say most peoples mental health issues could be solved if their patients just had more money. The being broke thing fucks everything up
Ice_Swallow4u@reddit
You can make more money in this country, you know that right? People travel from all over the world to come to the US to make money. Just need the right motivation and poverty is a great motivator. Giving people money for nothing to pull them out of their depression is a terrible fucking idea.
UncleBlob@reddit
You have absolutely no idea how this world works.
Ice_Swallow4u@reddit
What are you like 20? You don't know shit.
WeeTheDuck@reddit
some of it can also be solved by modifying their lifestyles to be healthier too, it's the little things yk. Like yeah escapism is good and all, but isn't that just an addiction?
FancyFrogFootwork@reddit
The issue isn't just about having free time, it's about the overall demands of life when living in poverty. It's easy to assume that people can just use their downtime for cooking, but for many low-income individuals, time is spent juggling work, managing kids, running errands, and handling a lot of daily stress. By the time they're done with those responsibilities, cooking isn't just an easy task—they're often too exhausted to commit to it. While you can eat raw fruits and vegetables, a balanced meal still requires preparation, planning, and sometimes equipment that not everyone has access to. Tinned meats and fish are an option, but they don't necessarily provide a full or balanced diet, and relying on them isn't sustainable in the long term for overall health. Poor individuals often face systemic barriers like limited kitchen space, lack of grocery stores nearby (food deserts), and knowledge gaps about nutrition or meal prep that middle-class individuals might not encounter. Assuming that people choose convenience foods because they’re lazy or wasting time is a simplistic view. It overlooks the compounding effects of poverty, including stress, mental exhaustion, and the lack of access to necessary resources, whether time, equipment, or even physical grocery stores. The choice to eat unhealthy isn’t purely a time management problem; it’s the result of multiple factors that go beyond just free time.
AndorElitist@reddit
Dump some rice, frozen veg, meat, herbs and seasonings into a rice cooker and go do the fucking errands you keep going on about. Literally does it for you.
Don't have a rice cooker? Oh no! Boil the rice like a normal person and fry it in a pan with aforementioned stuff. The most effort this requires is washing the rice and moving it around in the pan with a spatula. You'd have to be half-starved and dehydrated from 3 weeks in the desert to think that's exhausting.
FancyFrogFootwork@reddit
Alright, let’s think about this. Imagine someone working two jobs, maybe they don’t have a car so they’re commuting by bus or bike, and when they get home, they have a bunch of kids or people they need to take care of. They’re exhausted, running on fumes, and still have laundry, cleaning, and helping with homework ahead of them. Now, asking them to stand there and cook, clean the rice, chop veggies, season meat, and babysit a pan, is a lot more than it seems. In their world, that’s a lot of time and energy they might not have. Maybe the baby is crying, the kids need help, or there’s barely enough time between jobs to even sit down. For someone in that situation, even small tasks like cooking can feel overwhelming. Sometimes, the only option is something fast and easy because their day is already packed with responsibilities. It’s not about being lazy, it’s about survival with the time and energy they’ve got left.
Djimd@reddit
You're right about but a lot of people don't want to hear that. They prefer to think that people are lazy because it's exonerate them to any kind of politics engagement to make things better for everyone.
Bronze_Rager@reddit
I don't think you need to prepare bananas/ carrots/ broccoli/ apples/etc...
UltimateInferno@reddit
Man, you are obsessed with eating raw produce. That's not the only food you need to eat, my guy.
Bronze_Rager@reddit
? I cook everyday and eat out every weekend
FancyFrogFootwork@reddit
Yes, some fruits and veggies don't need prep, but that misses the point. Eating healthy requires time, effort, and proper facilities. For people in poverty, especially those working multiple jobs or living in food deserts, it’s not just about eating raw broccoli, it’s about having the resources and energy to prepare balanced meals. Suggesting otherwise ignores the real challenges they face.
Bronze_Rager@reddit
How is eating a banana harder/more expensive/ more prep than driving to get mcdonalds?
FancyFrogFootwork@reddit
You can't survive on bananas alone because they don’t provide all the essential nutrients your body needs. Bananas are great for quick energy (carbs, sugar, potassium), but they lack proteins, healthy fats, and a wide range of vitamins and minerals necessary for balanced nutrition. To live healthily, you'd need variety, proteins, fats, vegetables, and grains, which involve planning and preparation. A meal from McDonald's might provide more variety (even if not healthy) and is ready-to-eat, while making balanced meals with fruits like bananas requires grocery shopping and meal planning, which takes time and effort. Convenience often drives choices, not just prep time. People don’t choose McDonald’s because a banana is hard to eat, they choose it because it's fast, requires no prep, and is filling in a way that one banana alone can’t be.
Bronze_Rager@reddit
So eat something other than just bananas? Multiple types of fruits and veggies that don't need prep. Cheese/beans for protein or whey protein which is cheaper than eggs. Fruits for carbs.
FancyFrogFootwork@reddit
While fruits, veggies, and cheap proteins may seem like easy options, they don’t provide enough protein or calories for a sustainable diet. Fresh produce spoils quickly and needs frequent trips to the store, which can be hard for those with limited time or transportation. Things like whey protein and cheese aren't always cheaper or accessible either. Processed food is more affordable, lasts longer, and is often the only practical choice for low-income people.
ialwaysforgetmename@reddit
Dude rice and beans are cheap, easy to make, and a complete protein. C'mon.
FancyFrogFootwork@reddit
Rice and beans are cheap and easy. But here’s the thing: just eating rice and beans every day isn’t enough to keep someone healthy long-term. Yeah, it’s a complete protein, but that doesn’t mean it gives your body everything it needs. If someone only eats rice and beans, they’re missing out on important vitamins and nutrients that come from fruits, vegetables, healthy fats, and other proteins like meat or fish. Over time, this will cause serious health problems like vitamin deficiencies, muscle loss, low energy, and even weakened immune systems. People need a balanced diet to stay healthy. Sure, rice and beans can be part of it, but you can’t rely on that alone. It’s not sustainable, especially for someone working long hours or taking care of others. They need variety and nutrients to keep going strong.
ialwaysforgetmename@reddit
Sure, but that can form the base of what you eat. Add other (cheap) stuff as needed. It's not hard, nor does it involve a lot of prep.
FancyFrogFootwork@reddit
Rice and beans can be a base, but for people juggling multiple jobs, kids, or living in food deserts, even adding cheap extras takes time, effort, and money they often don’t have. Prepping veggies and proteins isn’t as easy as it sounds, and relying mostly on rice and beans can still lead to nutrient deficiencies and long-term health issues.
Bronze_Rager@reddit
Pretty solid shitpost
"calories for a sustainable diet"- Lol'd at this when 72% of American's are overweight or obese.
Whey is cheaper than eggs and is available at even DG and some gas stations. And it also has a longer expiration date than most frozen/processed food.
FancyFrogFootwork@reddit
Mocking "calories for a sustainable diet" doesn’t change the reality that proper nutrition isn’t just about calories; it’s about getting a balanced intake of proteins, fats, and essential nutrients. Being overweight doesn’t mean someone is nutritionally healthy. As for whey protein, while it can be available at places like Dollar General, it’s not necessarily cheaper than eggs for most people when accounting for overall dietary needs. The broader issue here is oversimplifying complex situations, poverty and food access aren’t solved with a one-size-fits-all solution.
Bronze_Rager@reddit
Lol no shit proper nutrition isn't about calories. There's more nutrition in everything I mentioned than McDonalds or processed food.
Calories in vs Calories out is the basis for weight gain/loss though. Unless somehow you can violate the laws of thermodynamics, which would be amazing, as you would have single handedly solved the world's energy crisis.
And yes, whey protein is cheaper than eggs and nearly every protein source.
FancyFrogFootwork@reddit
Here’s the simple reality: poor people often don’t have the time, money, or resources to consistently access fresh, healthy food for a balanced diet. It’s not just about calories; eating a nutritionally balanced diet requires time for meal prep, access to fresh produce, and often transportation that many low-income individuals simply don’t have. They turn to processed, calorie-dense foods because they’re cheaper, easier to store, and quicker to prepare, making them more practical when juggling work and life. It’s not as simple as “calories in, calories out” when you’re talking about people facing real-world barriers like food deserts, lack of transportation, or limited time due to working multiple jobs.
glaciator12@reddit
Not to mention rural and inner city food deserts (where oftentimes healthy food is more expensive or just straight-up unavailable) or the cost of having to buy replacement necessities because they can’t afford high-quality things that are more durable in the first place.
PhoneEquivalent7682@reddit
It sounds way better to spend on gas
MentalRadish3490@reddit
A lot of people don’t get that a food desert is about what is inside the store, not that the store exists at all. The fresh ingredients in the lowest income areas in my city have the highest prices out of anywhere. All the nice grocery stores and farmers markets are in the well off suburbs. OPs example of a bag of spinach for $3 is more like $6 in the hood, while across the street you’ll see two slices of pizza and a coke for the same price. In that situation I’m also taking the pizza. Especially if I’m presented those two options after a backbreaking day of labor.
PhoneEquivalent7682@reddit
Bro i live in the ghetto and healthy food is still way cheaper. There are ways around time consuming food, but you are one Google away from finding recipes that are not as consuming. You just need to use the resources available
Queen_Aardvark@reddit
FoxNews broadcast a survey about how 99% of low-income homes have a refrigerator, and they were rightly made fun of for being out-of-touch.
And now you're here claiming poor people don't have refrigerators.
Grenzoocoon@reddit
Where did he mention fridges?? I love to cook but I can't imagine not using all the stuff I've ended up with from family or staying with them. Spice drawers, graters, blenders, toasters, food processors, mixing bowls and tools, clean and large cooking surfaces, cleaning SUPPLIES to get a good counter top, cup measures, etc and etc. I know you CAN make do with less, but even making bread takes time, space, or a machine that still might be expensive or take up space. It's hard as hell to cook when you have to make something with everything either in your hands or in the oven or some spot. In addition to timers on, children going around, and whatever other disturbances.
WeeTheDuck@reddit
why tf would they try to make bread??? We're talking about making a healthy meal not a bakery lol. The only appliances you'll need is a stovetop and a pan/pot. That's quite literally it, apart from the ingredients of course
EZ3Build@reddit
Stopped reading
FancyFrogFootwork@reddit
The issue isn't about whether poor people have refrigerators; it's about access and circumstances. Sure, most low-income households have a fridge, but that doesn't solve the real problems. Many live in food deserts where fresh groceries are hard to find, or they're so overworked and exhausted that they don’t have the time or energy to cook. Plus, some might have limited or shared kitchen space. The point is, just having a fridge doesn’t magically make it easier to eat healthy, poverty is about way more than appliances.
tangoalpha3@reddit
90% of Americans live within 10 miles of Walmart. “Many live in a food deserts” doesn’t seem accurate to me
FancyFrogFootwork@reddit
Living within 10 miles of a Walmart doesn't solve the problem of food deserts for low-income individuals. For many, especially those without reliable transportation, 10 miles might as well be 100 miles. Public transit options can be limited or nonexistent, and the time and cost required to travel that distance are real barriers. Even if a Walmart is nearby, the availability of fresh, healthy food at an affordable price is often limited. Many rely on convenience stores, where processed food is more accessible. Proximity to a Walmart doesn’t change the broader issues of time, transportation, and access to nutritious options.
noremac2414@reddit
Everything you said was valid, but at the end of the day the vast majority of people who are overweight simply eat too much
Xxyz260@reddit
Bro.
FancyFrogFootwork@reddit
They put the Declaration of Independance in an AI detector, and it came out as 100% written by an AI. Your argument is completely without merit. Learn to write correct English and you won't view everything as having been written by an LLM.
Xxyz260@reddit
It would have been...
Had I not checked for exactly that.
So, not every such detector is as inaccurate as the one you have mentioned. Furthermore, I would much prefer that we focus on the extant evidence and not on irrelevant personal critiques.
FancyFrogFootwork@reddit
So, your "extant evidence" boils down to either universally discredited AI detector scripts or a misguided comment from someone claiming poverty stems from not buying vegetables? Neither of these sources is remotely credible. The detector is nonfunctional, and the 4chan argument is uninformed at best. This isn’t a personal attack, it’s an observation of how weak and poorly founded your argument is. If you're going to engage in a discussion, at least base your points on sound reasoning rather than relying on flawed tools and logical fallacies.
Xxyz260@reddit
^( )
Unless you mean the screenshot with a scan of your own comment, I haven't said anything like that.
And if you do, you've just dismissed yourself.
Either way, do better. As for the detector being nonfunctional, it's not true either. TechCrunch's test results prove otherwise, invalidating your conclusion.
FancyFrogFootwork@reddit
Your reference to TechCrunch’s test results doesn’t change the fact that AI detectors are still inconsistent and unreliable. Many tests across multiple platforms, including real-world usage, show these detectors flagging even human-written content as AI-generated. Dismissing this doesn’t invalidate my point, it just highlights a misunderstanding of the limitations of these tools.
Also, claiming I "dismissed myself" is nonsensical. It doesn’t address the core argument and only serves to deflect. If you're genuinely interested in productive discussion, address the substance, not these vague attempts at undermining the argument.
Robbie12321@reddit
That just means the founding fathers were AI, doesn't really surprise me tbh
Tonythesaucemonkey@reddit
one pot rice meals are cheap, healthy and tasty. you have to be mentally challenged to claim people aren't just lazy.
Doorhog@reddit
100% i moved out at 18 and was surprised how cheap food is if you make it yourself, I spend $30 a week on groceries and spend 2 hours making food for my 4 12 hour shifts
Afunnyname4@reddit
30 for all your meals is crazy cheap, why do you make? I’m closer to 45 ish
UncleBlob@reddit
Surviving and thriving are not the same thing.
Tonythesaucemonkey@reddit
eating junk food isn't thriving my guy.
UncleBlob@reddit
Eating rice and beans for every meal like a slave is worse.
Pass_us_the_salt@reddit
Walk me through your ideal meal routine for a week. Just an average one, not when money is tight or when you want to splurge.
UncleBlob@reddit
Sunday - large meal, probably a stew or something like that, this week it was beef stew.
Monday - we usually do a frozen pizza or a frozen pasta with brocolli or cauliflower.
Tuesday - Leftovers from Sunday
Wednesday - Probably a stirfry or some pasta with a side vegetable, I try to do a salad or something but I just fucking hate it, so it's usually brocolli again.
Thursday - Usual something fast, by this point in the week I'm fuckin tired. Sometimes we do takeout, sometimes I throw rice in the cooker and do one of those steamer veggie meals that comes with a sauce.
Friday - I try to cool something that will give us lunch leftovers for Saturday, last week was chicken cutlets pounced out thin and cooked on the grill, served with lentils and "Spanish" rice.
Saturday is doordash night, usually pizza or Chinese.
Breakfast every day is a turkey Sausage croissandwich or (usually early in the week,) oats with fresh/dried fruit. I wfh two days a week and will usually make grilled cheese and some fruit for my wife and I for lunch. The rest of the week is leftovers or a mid-tier frozen meal, my work caters one day a week for lunch so I eat whatever is free.
My grocery budget is about 85-90 a week plus a 300 dollar monthly Costco trip.
Pass_us_the_salt@reddit
I would argue that it's down to a taste thing then, and people can thrive in one area that they prefer whilst skimming down in others. I grew up with a lot of asian cooking so I can survive the monotony of rice for every meal and maybe the same dish for 3 days straight. This makes my food budget much lower for myself down to maybe $30 a week when I try, $60 a week half assing it. This frees up more money and time for outdoorsy equipment, gym, and video games whilst also keeping me fairly healthy. I'm fine with this because I derive more enjoyment from staying active than I do from the simple act of eating.
Tl;dr people "thrive" differently and if beans and rice frees you up to do something fun and stay healthy, then that's cool. If you get more joy from something new at the dinner table each day, then that works fine as well.
King_Spaghetti4@reddit
Fatass
UncleBlob@reddit
Enjoy getting scurvy poor.
Pass_us_the_salt@reddit
Apples are like $3 dude.
Tonythesaucemonkey@reddit
Every asian country are filled with slaves, alright.
You can make glorious meals with rice.
UncleBlob@reddit
No shit. That has nothing to do with what I said.
Tonythesaucemonkey@reddit
You literally said eating rice everyday is worse than junk food.
UncleBlob@reddit
do you think Asian people are eating rice and white meat chicken for every fucking meal? Do you think the commenter living off 30 dollars a week is slanging fucking Szeuchuan style meals? No he's eating soviet meat rations and pinto beans on white rice.
Your absolute lack of contextual understanding is expected, but still disappointing.
Tonythesaucemonkey@reddit
Yes. Source: am Asian. We don’t eat chicken everyday, there’s a constant rotation of chicken, pork, beef and fish, but rice is constant.
I guess you’ve never cooked “Szechuan” style meals. They’re fucking easy to make and cheap as balls.
Tony_Khantana@reddit
The only two possibilities are that someone eats the worst junk food available at every chance, or they eat like a 1500s peasant. There is nothing in between.
PaintyGuys@reddit
Rice, beans, chicken stock, and throw in any veggie.
SuspiciousLettuce56@reddit
Surely you spring a couple extra bucks on some spices, my girlfriend has more taste than that and that's saying a lot considering she's dating me
BothersomeBritish@reddit
Just lob in some ginger and you're all set; goes well with almost anything. Rosemary if it's in a pan.
Jello_Crusader@reddit
Naw you gotta throw in the Masala
_lvlsd@reddit
sounds like a proper lunchpail meal for a soviet era miner
-H_-@reddit
Ok buddy I hope you enjoy your rainbow chicken burger with plastic fries
abshabab@reddit
Spices are not really that expensive, stuff like ginger, garlic, cinnamon can add a lot of depth to…. Beans and chicken stock(??). You can blend them into the cooking in small amounts or boil slices whole into food
And adding variety to that isn’t that hard either, you can swipe the rice out for potatoes, “boil” them in the microwave and then lightly pan fry them with a bit of salt and spice, about the same amount of work as boiling rice.
Able_Caregiver8067@reddit
Severly lacking in Wodka
PussyIgnorer@reddit
No wonder you have no protein whatsoever
userbrn1@reddit
Beans are filled with protein and have more protein per dollar than any meat... One 15oz standard can of black beans has 28 grams of protein, about the same as 1 chicken breast, and costs like $0.80. That costs gets further cut in half (or more) if you buy dry beans and soak them overnight. I promise you're not gonna find edible chicken break for less than $0.50 a breast in the year of our lord 2024
PussyIgnorer@reddit
Black beans specifically
Linford_Fistie@reddit
Id rather die
WeeTheDuck@reddit
i mean, keep eating shitty foods and you'll die sooner than you might want to
Linford_Fistie@reddit
Speedrun
Noiseyboisey@reddit
Bro hates hearty and delicious soups💀
Bro dislikes healthy delightful meals in a sippable format💀
Bro is against yummy tasty chicken broths 💀
Bro isn’t tempted by the delightful feel of a warm soup in your belly after a long days work💀
Linford_Fistie@reddit
I don't want to live like a north Korean peasant that's all. I like tasty food.
creeper205861@reddit
On god
az1m_@reddit
based
deepdistortion@reddit
I was getting a week's food off $25-30, but this was about a decade ago so prices are probably more like $30-35 now. Also, I live in a rural area with loads of farms, so prices might be abnormally cheap.
Buy a dozen eggs, 2 loaves of cheap bread, 1 gallon of milk, and butter/spices as you run out. Breakfast will be eggs and buttered toast. Buy some jelly as a treat if you have money left over. Drink milk as you like with breakfast and dinner.
For lunch/dinner, I had 3 dishes I would make in rotation. One of them would last me 3-4 days, so I was only cooking those meals twice a week. All three cost about $10-15.
Dish one was chili. 1lb dry beans, 1lb Jimmy Dean hot sausage or other spiced ground pork product, 1 big onion, 1 can of RoTel or other canned hot peppers, 2 cans tomato sauce, 1 can diced tomatoes, some red bell peppers, and your favorite hot sauce. Soak beans overnight. Boil the beans for at least 10 minutes, then drain and put them in a crock pot with the canned ingredients. Chop up the fresh veg and add them, and mix in the ground pork. Season with cumin, oregano, garlic powder, and smoked paprika or chipotle. The sausage should have enough salt already that more is not needed. Cook on low while you're at work. Serve with hot sauce and toast with garlic powder and salt on top for cheap-ass garlic toast.
Dish two was chicken soup. Get the cheapest chicken available, carrots, onion, celery, chicken bullion cubes, and egg noodles. Dice the chicken and veggies. Put in a stock pot. Add 3 quarts to 1 gallon of water. Add 1 cube per quart of water. Add lots of pepper and garlic powder, 2 bay leaves, bring to a boil and simmer. Check halfway through cooking if you need some more salt or if the bullion was enough. When veggies are soft and chicken is cooked, remove the bay and add the noodles. Simmer until noodles are almost done, they'll keep cooking once you remove the pot from the heat. Once again, several with garlic toast (what can I say, it's a cheap source of carbs and fat!).
Dish three was burrito bowls. Buy 1 lb beans, 1 lb Jimmy Dean hot sausage or similar, 1 big onion, a 5lb bag of rice, fresh jalapeno or Serrano peppers, and your favorite hot sauce. Soak beans overnight. Boil beans for 10 minutes, then put them in the crock pot. Chop the veggies and add them. Mix in the sausage. Season with garlic powder, cumin, and smoked paprika or chipotle. Add just enough water to cover everything, then add 1 cup more. Cook on low while you're at work. When done, cook some rice. Make a big bowl of rice, then mix in a big ladle-full of the beans. Add hot sauce to taste. Looks like dog food, but tastes like heaven.
-H_-@reddit
This guy cooks
mynameajeff69@reddit
How the heck do you live for 30 dollars a week. That cant be anything good xD
Pass_us_the_salt@reddit
Chuck roast(cheap beef cut) where I live comes out to maybe $20 for 3 lbs. Add in some potatoes, onions, carrots and maybe beef stock for ~$10 total and that's a meal for the week.
GAYBOT_4000@reddit
Anon isn't wrong but I'd add that these foods spoil unlike ramen and kraft mac n cheese. Also most coupons seem to be for processed garbage and not fresh fruit. These are important considerations when you're broke. Your best option is probably to buy fresh, healthy food and meal prep shortly after.
AcidPepe@reddit
So is this guy only buying for 1 ? And only 1 pound ? And 1 day ? If you wanna make healthy meals that don’t taste like shit its really not that cheap especially if you have a family with kids. Its not as cut and dry as this.
Ascertain_GME@reddit
Produce goes bad relatively quickly too, necessitating even more store trips and money spent.
xxwarlorddarkdoomxx@reddit
No, not really. If you store it properly you can easily make most fresh produce last at least Monday-Friday, and usually a lot longer.
Do you actually buy produce or do you just assume this is the truth?
_lvlsd@reddit
Any tips on keeping strawberries fresh and keep from bruising? Tempted to just throwing them in the freezer
xxwarlorddarkdoomxx@reddit
Those are a bit tougher. Berry fruits and leafy greens go bad quickest in my experience.
I usually try to keep them by the coldest part of the fridge, just above freezing. If they go a bit soft, you could also try dunking them in cold water before eating.
I’ve heard some people suggest dunking them in vinegar to kill mold but I don’t know about that, they at your own risk lol
_lvlsd@reddit
you my friend are a godsend. thank you for the tips!
Laser_Souls@reddit
The one method I did which is time consuming btw is to cut off the leaves/stem, wash them and then dry them and put them in a sealed jar. They don’t last indefinitely but significantly longer than in the container they come in
AndorElitist@reddit
Yeah, don't buy strawberries. Literally berries like that are the one food I can never keep for long, that and yoghurt. Ig freezing would work but then you might as well just buy frozen fruit
chris164935@reddit
Coat it in food grade wax like all the other produce that is able to last longer than a few days.
Matt_2504@reddit
You ever heard of a fridge?
hornwalker@reddit
Food still goes bad in the fridge. What we really need is a food furnace that breaks it down; we eat the ashes and inhale the fumes for nutrients.
SheSaysSheWaslvl18@reddit
You mean a dehydrator? Those exist too and they are much cheaper than a fridge
fluffynuckels@reddit
You can't really freeze fruit or vegetables in a traditional freezer
SheSaysSheWaslvl18@reddit
You totally can, I do it all the time
fluffynuckels@reddit
Let me know how well sticking lettuce and apples go for ya. Most fruit and vegetables need to be flash frozen otherwise they get nasty
SheSaysSheWaslvl18@reddit
I typically will dry greens or apples if they’re in danger of going bad. I think greens freeze well if you blanch them first. I’ve never tried to freeze apples though. You can’t make a salad out of frozen or dried greens but they’re still good in smoothies.
fluffynuckels@reddit
Ok that makes sense
Wampalog@reddit
True, they catch on fire and then explode.
Robbie12321@reddit
No just grind all the food down into paste. Then consume as is or form it into cubes
WeeTheDuck@reddit
would still unironically be healthier than fast foods though
fluffynuckels@reddit
So a salad bong?
OwnHousing9851@reddit
I fucking LOVE carcinogens
NCD_Lardum_AS@reddit
Just eat it all?
Th0rizmund@reddit
It is still much cheaper than buying fast food.
THAErAsEr@reddit
I can order a large and medium pizza for 20 euro, food for 3. Or I go to the shop and spend at least the same on a normal meal. Just chicken for us would be already above 10 euro. Then vegetables, butter, rice, sauce, herbs, ...
PizzaPotamus1@reddit
it actually is, there's so many cheap easy dishes that can be cooked in bulk if you take some time to learn. like spaghetti sauce if buy crushed tomatoes, garlic, an onion, some spices which you probably already have, whatever else you want in it. tastes 100x better than the jarred stuff and is cheaper to make, and you'll end up with a larger quantity
SufficientMall2946@reddit
yeah, $5 a pound but you're not going to find anything weighing less than two and a half. so I can either pay 13 bucks for raw chicken and still need all the other ingredients that I'd have to cook in bulk, or 2 bucks for a McChicken I can finish in 5 minutes and not stress over.
xXrektUdedXx@reddit
Not really, using some spices can massively improve the taste, while choosing the right ingredients makes it possible to freeze it and have a decently tasting meal after thawing it again. I've been mad busy lately and am broke as hell but it ain't stopping me from taking out 4-5h on a sunday to cook enough healthy food to last me for the week. Knowing how to cook is the only real challenge in it all imo.
undreamedgore@reddit
He's not saying its not expensive, just cheaper than junk food.
Dog_in_human_costume@reddit
People these days don't know how to cook the most basic stuff
HikeMyPantsUpJohnson@reddit
It’s more expensive than that in canada sometimes but it’s not a whole lot worse as long as you don’t buy name brand shit
hucklebae@reddit
They never talk about how many calories are in those fruits and veggies. The answer is not a hell of a lot in comparison.
reapr56@reddit
exactly why u meal prep in 1 day for the entire week, taste might be affected a little in some cases but atleast its 100x better than whatever goyslop you'd get in any fastfood joint.
Provia100F@reddit
A pound of chicken breast is nearly an hour of labor
painfulnumbness@reddit
I mean there's something to say about why people with higher incomes are healthier and purchase less fast food and it can't just be that people who are poorer are the only ones eating like shit on purpose
PussyIgnorer@reddit
Anytime I hear someone say it’s expensive to eat healthy I just roll my eyes. I think these idiots think eating healthy is getting the more expensive packaged foods or some shit. You can get enough nutrient rich food to last you for a week getting good macros odor the same price as some junk food that’ll last you 3 days.
WinterMage42@reddit
It’s just a bunch of people that don’t want to be held accountable for their own shortcomings, they’d rather blame everyone else. The biggest excuse I see in every thread like this is “time”, like millions of people everywhere don’t also work 40 hours a week and manage to eat healthy with little money.
Laxhoop2525@reddit
Buy a bag of potatoes for $5, poke holes in two with a fork, put them in the microwave for 6 minutes, and then squish them with the same fork when they’re done. Boom, that’s about 8 mashed potato meals at 220 calories each, and for $5 total.
The_Loli_Whisperer@reddit
No way 220 calories from $5, where I'm from breakfast is $1 for 300 calories.
WeeTheDuck@reddit
still can't believe that potato is a complete meal, that's actually crazy
SpaceMarshalJader@reddit
“Shitlibs”. It’s mostly dumb right-curious redditors who are also somehow antiwork that whine about their long lost McDonald’s dollar menu.
yallapapi@reddit
Fatties in here seething
zaforocks@reddit
Out of touch dumbasses who have never even glimpsed poverty jerking each other off furiously.
drewmana@reddit
Generally when I hear about how it’s expensive to be poor it’s about how you can’t afford regular doctor visits for prevantative care so eventually you end up in the hospital with an emergency and get a huge bill. How you can only afford shitty work boots so they wear out every year instead of one nice pair that’s twice as much but lasts over a decade.
Pretty consistently I’ve heard cooking for yourself as a way to save money specifically because of what OP is pointing out. If someone thinks they’re saving money by going out to eat, they’re delusional.
LDKRZ@reddit
I think a lot of this gets twisted and purposely misinterpreted as a way to catch out poor, struggling people cause every poor person that doesn’t eat healthy always, doesn’t often eat out but they buy frozen junk food which is just as unhealthy and that saves on travel costs and saves time they don’t often have cause work/responsibilities/shit life conditions is physically draining. Also while yes cooking and doing meal prep is cheaper than going out that doesn’t automatically mean the food they are preparing and making is exactly healthy and in a lot of cases enough.
TL;DR it’s rough out here of you are poor and simply bulk buying processed foods can save money as you save money elsewhere (like making 1 trip instead of multiple when food spoils) and lots of home prepped meals are not the pinnacle of healthy, tasty, filling foods and also a lot of these opinions people say are an ideal situation basis and a lot of poor people do not have the desired situation to make that outcome feasible (I’ve known people to work and the place where they live only had a hob and microwave eating healthy or enough is significantly harder in some cases)
UncleBlob@reddit
Healthy food is decently cheap but anon also just described like 300 calories worth of vegetables.
GoGoSoLo@reddit
Not to mention completely ignoring that produce goes bad very quickly, even when stored properly. The other point he didn’t touch on at all is that the unhealthy fast or regular food places are everywhere, while there’s practically no places analogous to them that serve healthy food. There are places like Subway that claim to be healthy, but then they can’t even legally call their bread ‘bread’ in the EU because of its sugar content.
Anon is comparing apples to Big Macs with very little nuance.
Greymatter28@reddit
Anon has never heard of a food desert. Stop trying to confuse him.
LDKRZ@reddit
Also it ignores the fact you can just bulk buy cheap shit to throw in a freezer/cupboard and it saves on transport and time which say a poorer parent doesn’t have, like for many people the options are eat healthy but the food isn’t as appetising and is likely less filling so they’d be hungry more or have issues maintaining weight (so they’d naturally have to eat more), or buy stuff like ramen or frozen processed foods, fries etc. which most shops sell very cheap and generic which last 3x as long and if you’re 1 or 2 meals a day poor just provides you more energy and whatnot
Wampalog@reddit
https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+rice
UncleBlob@reddit
Ah yes I too enjoy eating like a Chinese laborer from the 1800s.
Wampalog@reddit
Better spend $20 a day on McDonalds instead then!
nucleophilicattack@reddit
Agreed. You can make enough soup to feed an army for a week for super cheap. People are just lazy and stupid.
FancyFrogFootwork@reddit
Instead of just complaining here is a sound long term solution to poverty and financial struggles. It involves multiple moving parts, but it essentially boils down to addressing wages, inflation, healthcare, and early childhood support. Businesses increasing wages is a crucial first step. Higher wages give workers more financial stability, allowing them to afford healthier food, better housing, and other essentials. This not only improves quality of life but also stimulates the economy as people have more spending power. At the same time, the government needs to work on reducing inflation, which disproportionately affects low-income families. High prices for groceries, rent, and utilities make it nearly impossible for people to get ahead, even if wages rise. Effective policies to control inflation can help keep essential costs in check. Reducing healthcare costs is also vital. Medical expenses can cripple a family financially, especially in low-income households. By making healthcare more affordable, people are less likely to have to choose between paying for a doctor’s visit or putting food on the table. Finally, early childhood support, including better access to childcare, nutrition programs, and education, plays a huge role in breaking the cycle of poverty. By investing in kids from a young age, we set them up for success, reduce inequality, and ensure a healthier, more skilled future workforce.
tl;dr
The solution is: increase wages, lower inflation and healthcare costs, and strong support for early childhood development will create a more sustainable and equitable future.
Queue the flood of angry libertarians disagreeing with every single thing I say. You worship zero sum games. The only path forward is non zero sum games.
WeeTheDuck@reddit
sounds good and all, means nothing though. Unless you're planning on running for the office or something. This ain't SimCity mate
FancyFrogFootwork@reddit
No you’re right just consume product and get excited for next product. Stop thinking.
WeeTheDuck@reddit
What will you get from thinking about all these national policies lmao. Who are you?
FancyFrogFootwork@reddit
By that logic stop posting on Reddit. Delete your account. Why are you posting your opinion you don’t own Reddit.
bdrwr@reddit
What is a food desert
Jellylegs_19@reddit
In what world does he live where chicken is $5 a pound?
bartholomewjohnson@reddit (OP)
It's about $6 where I live.
theyeshman@reddit
Like at a butcher shop, or at a Costco? That's really, insanely high for the US unless you're looking at a specialty/health store or like wings in particular.
Laser_Souls@reddit
Chicken breasts jumped up significantly the last few years, thighs and legs are still a decent price though but less versatile
theyeshman@reddit
I almost always prefer thighs to breasts TBH, though you often have to reduce the other fats you're using cuz thighs are so fatty
I checked because of this thread and yeah the price of chicken breasts has gone crazy recently, that's wild. Out of curiosity, where can you use chicken breasts when you can't use thighs? Any baked, grilled, or pan fried dishes I've tried have worked great with thighs and a bit less olive oil or butter, but I'm always excited to try a new recipe!
JustaBearEnthusiast@reddit
god damn it's nearly 8 a pound here.
big_pp_man420@reddit
Its less than $4 for chicken breast in a flyover state
SuspiciousLettuce56@reddit
In Sydney a whole fresh roast chicken from the supermarket is au$8, stuffed and seasoned. Lasts me an entire week though by the end it does taste kinda like cardboard
JustaBearEnthusiast@reddit
I'm looking at the site for my nearest grocery right now and chicken breast is $9/lb, tomatoes $2/lb, package of spinach is $5 for 5 oz ($16/lb), apples are $2-$4/lb, potatoes $1.30/lb, and cabbages are $1.80/lb. The only thing close to anon is bananas for $.50/lb. How are all of you getting such cheap fucking produce? I'm in a city that is considered to have a relatively low cost of living, in an agricultural state, right next to a fucking railroad. Why does my produce cost almost double? No wonder y'all aren't mad about the cost of food. God damn I'm getting ass-fucked over here.
undreamedgore@reddit
Right? Thats the cost of beef where I live.
theyeshman@reddit
5 bucks a pound is a little high for sure, but meat prices in the US and Canada are kept artificially low via subsidies for farms.
With a quick Google search there's many places in the EU chicken costs more than that (though the average across the EU seems a little lower than 5 bucks a pound).
altiuscitiusfortius@reddit
How much did it cost to buy the car you drove to the store? To rent a place with a stove? To buy pots and pans? Etc
WeeTheDuck@reddit
how tf would you even live if you don't have access to a store in the first place...
altiuscitiusfortius@reddit
You've just described a food desert, and it's very common in cities.
You buy fast food. Or pay 7000% markup at a Bodega and can only buy processed foods with long shelf lives.
SecretSquirrelSauce@reddit
I wanna know where the fuck anon shops. Gotta be living in Middleoffuckinnowhere, Missouri or something for produce that cheap
slothtrippinballs@reddit
Tbf cooking can take 1-2 hours a day which if you have 3 kids and 2 jobs can be pretty impossible to manage. Also meat is where shit gets pricey
WeeTheDuck@reddit
that's why sane people turn that into 3-5 hours on weekends to prep for the whole week
Most_Chemistry8944@reddit
Throw in the dumb ass 'food desert' that is constantly tossed around and I am with you.
UncleBlob@reddit
Describe a food desert and describe why it's bullshit.
I think you're using words you don't know the definition of again.
Most_Chemistry8944@reddit
Where did I say it was bullshit?
Here...from above...
'''Throw in the dumb ass 'food desert' that is constantly tossed around and I am with you.'''
UncleBlob@reddit
Is English like, your third language?
Most_Chemistry8944@reddit
Oh Uncle Blob, so silly. Please tell me you dont use words like 'wage salve' or 'corporate greeeeeed' Because that would be super silly.
Now Linux and Funko Pops...thats where I come to you for advice.
Mephidia@reddit
When you forget that meat used to be a luxury and there’s no reason you have to eat meat every day if you’re struggling to make ends meet. Just have rice and lentils like all the rest of the poor people have for centuries
bartholomewjohnson@reddit (OP)
Some plain white rice goes hard when you're broke.
WeeTheDuck@reddit
fish sauce is a game changer
source: am Thai
spaghettilesbian@reddit
I pay at least $150 a week a to feed myself. It looks cheap until you eat like a grown fucking man
PhoneEquivalent7682@reddit
You can get a rice cooker and have rice for a week. You can just put chicken/ meat and veggies in the oven at leave them there till they're cooked, in the meantime you can just do something else, and you have food for the whole week. That is like 20 minutes tops. If you worry about spending too much time in the grocery store, dont go until you have a list, or youll spend more time than needed. Also there are always coupons in the mail, and deals of the week for stores near you, make sure to check them out. Stores also have a weekly deal section in their websites. You can get junk food for so much cheaper, 90% of the junk food i buy is from deals. A bag of 240.9 g cheetos is like 4-5 dollars each, but with certain deals you can get them for like 1-2 dollars each, if you buy like 4 to 6 bags. So in bulk sometimes is cheaper, but you can just store them and you have snacks for a long time
rayz0101@reddit
What they mean is that it's expensive to find good tasting pre prepared foods. Not that the base ingredients themselves are expensive (although that too is becoming a larger issue as inflation rises and purchasing power declines. This is because boomers failed to learn from their parents on how to establish a good relationship with cooking and food and got indoctrinated by the advent of commercial cooking as a way to feed their kids. Thus they never passed the knowledge down and just shoveled slop onto gen x and and y.
theaxis12@reddit
It used to be true but post inflation fast food prices are easily beat by raw ingredients
DungeonDangers@reddit
Where does food cost this little?
LuckyLynx_@reddit
in anon's suburban neighborhood's local Lidl
Impressive-Morning76@reddit
If times an issue the microwave is your friend. set aside a hour or two on your weekend and make a bunch of lunches and dinners for the week.
Firemission13B@reddit
5 bucks a pound for chicken is outrageous
LiaM_CS@reddit
Op has never heard of a food deserts apparently
Maybe incels that spend all day inside on their computers shouldn’t be thinking they have the knowledge to comment on socioeconomic inequality
Dustycartridge@reddit
Idk I work a full time job yet the people with food stamps have better food than me and more of it
fluffynuckels@reddit
That's for vegetables but you can't live off of veggies alone. Go check how much a thing of chicken cost
Wampalog@reddit
Me when I spend $4 on most of a week's worth of chicken
The-Myth-The-Shit@reddit
The real issue is access to a grocery store that sell cheap foods, which is hard to do in case of a food desert
geoff1036@reddit
Yeah and it would be great to take advantage of that fresh produce and cook with all the free time I ha...
Oh wait, I don't have any free time?
Uh huh...
Because I have to work 10-12 hours a day to make ends meet?
Uh huh...
And I'd have to prepare a meal for (X) for my whole family?
I see...
Wow anon, it's almost like bachelors are commonly known to have the easiest and least restricted lifestyle!
ZlinkyNipz@reddit
As a youngin who recently moved out on my own, healthy food is cheap, and i totally could buy it with my money if i bothered. i am too busy with work and school, though, thus i only eat mcdonald and hot chip (:
Brave_Championship17@reddit
I imagine anon doesn’t need to spend much money since his perception of reality is based on what he reads on the internet, so he’s probably chronically online and doesn’t engage in real life activities that cost money
DankElderberries420@reddit
Fatties want an excuse so they can continue there bad eating habits
drewmana@reddit
They had a point back when the dollar menu was a thing, but nowadays you get a burger and soda and it’s like $12
cnthndlmyswg@reddit
OP has never heard of food deserts
avalisk@reddit
Chicken and rice meal prepped on a Sunday and eaten on the next Saturday is this century's version of gruel.
They People in this thread are trying to trick hardworking Americans into sharing their suffering, like crabs in a bucket.
oXI_ENIGMAZ_IXo@reddit
Yep. Meal prep is simple and cheap. A pack of chicken breasts, broccoli, rice, seasonings. A whole weeks worth of meals for less than $80.
Nerdic-King2015@reddit
Gotta be careful with spinach, suprisingly easy to eat a lethal amount.
BigDaddyFatSack42069@reddit
Superfoods are expensive, and are designed to be to cash in on fads. Avocado's are a great example. Eating healthy in general however is dirt cheap, but people don't like to make effort to cook.
BigJeffe20@reddit
they're perpetually online, fuq u thought
cain261@reddit
Left out the most important one, beans & lentils.
Sen-oh@reddit
Food stamps won't buy cooking utensils. It costs hundreds of dollars to build up to the point where you can cook home meals. On the other hand, easily prepared, microwavable food is terrible for you.
EventOverwrite@reddit
The bare minimum you need is a pan and a spoon. You may even gold plate them and they will cost less than a hundred
Maximillion322@reddit
I’m sorry but it does NOT cost hundreds of dollars to built up to the point where you can cook home meals.
I got an entire set of pots and pans at home depot for $30 and most of my utensils from goodwill.
There are certainly lots of challenges people face but that’s not one of the
xxwarlorddarkdoomxx@reddit
This entire post is full of people literally just making stuff up to justify eating junk food daily. This is probably the most outrageous one though.
People seem to hear home cooking and get this image of a fancy chef making luxurious meals.
Like, dude, just buy a pan, a wood spoon, salt, pepper, and cooking oil. That’s enough to prepare just about anything you can make in a pan.
bartimeas@reddit
A pressure cooker is what, like $60? That's enough for a wide variety of things, including rice and beans. Most poorer countries thrive on those
syp2207@reddit
yall just make shit up. hundreds of dollars 😂😂
an_achronist@reddit
They're lazy. All communist filth is lazy.
Mephil_@reddit
I think they are probably comparing eating junk food takeout vs "healthy" food takeout. Which is a huge nothing burger because takeout is a luxury in itself.
BrndyAlxndr@reddit
I bought like 4 pounds of salmon at costco yesterday for like $50
MaximusTheLord13@reddit
$5 a pound chicken is supposed to be a good price?
also don't take into account the cost in time and effort and utilites to prepare the food.
bartimeas@reddit
Would cost significantly more if it weren't for government handouts. Gotta love how my tax dollars are going to a holocaust I don't support in the name of a luxury people don't need.
iareto@reddit
next theyll bitch about happiness and how you need some junk food to be happy. this is complete bs because taste is completely arbitrary. look no further than japan for proof of this
rockbird97@reddit
Ah yes. But consider how much you eat in a day. It adds up
durashka228@reddit
im not amerigun i dont give a swag what they eat,where is my gay and fake story? where incest? where doom posting?
ZaraZero09@reddit
Organic food is expensive, junk food and supermarket veggies are cheap for a reason, they're filled with chemicals, plus when amazon won't let you take bathroom breaks I'm pretty sure the workers won't have the time to shop,prep, cook and clean up.
Arstanishe@reddit
"veggies are filled with chemicals". welp, at least bro is technically correct