Where are the trailer park and section 8 kid Xennials at? Don't you love getting told that 40 years ago everybody who sold used paper towels made enough to buy a house, take vacations, and provide educations for their kids? I sure do!
Posted by TitansFrontRow@reddit | Xennials | View on Reddit | 161 comments
I am 40, and I have a house, an RV, and go on a lot of vacations. I had to go to war, move 1,000 miles away from home, and work my butt off to get there. But I made it. It only took putting my life on the line.
I got asked last night at our local restaurant "how much my parents helped me to get where I was".
And maybe it just hit me wrong, but I'm still pissed off about it this morning. The answer is that my parents are both dead, and the entire contents of my inheritance was an ash tray. An ash tray that I made them when I was a kid.
When my unwed Mom had my sister in 1980 (4 years before I was born), she moved to a shitty little mobile home in a shitty trailer park 20 miles from everywhere and everything she knew and loved. She made that decision because it was cheap to do so. She was a waitress. Our next door neighbor watched us. My mom managed to pay the lot rent and trailer note. We had government food. Food stamps. All sorts of assistance. My Mom graduated high school, but never made anything of herself.
All I knew was poor as a kid. I can think of 1 time we went out to eat, and 1 time we ate McDonalds as a kid. She eventually married my step dad, and he had a Workplace injury that left him paralyzed, but the payout was enough that they moved into a home that by todays standards people would call a "starter" home in a hastily constructed neighborhood a few miles from the trailer park. They both died in their 50's from bad health. The medical debt took the proceeds from the house, which wasn't much.
My parents never had shit. None of their friends ever had shit. We were skinny because we didn't eat enough. She regularly went without eating. My Grandparents would avoid us- no kidding- because they knew they didn't have enough to feed us much, either, and they knew we were always hungry. Generational poverty exists now and existed then...
So why, may I ask, is there a narrative that prior to 30 years ago, everybody had a house, vacations, and a boat on a shoe salesman's salary? I met no one with those things growing up. We were poor, man!
Every discussion about housing, wages, and inflation of today is anchored by some claim from a 20 year old that their grandfather had a house and a second lake house and did that on a "meager" wage.
The stories that these people are telling are not the entire story, and they are VERY embellished. It's all presented transitively, too! As though all of the working poor, the poverty stricken, and the hungry kids all must have come from the same neighborhoods, that according to these young people, had the same wages being made everywhere, with the vacations and the boat. But it just isn't true. Somebody somewhere was too humble to admit that they made a lot of money at that point in time.
If you get on social media today it's as though everyone who existed and was of working age between 1960 and 1980 worked as a lowly cashier, while also owning a house, a vacation, and a boat.
But it just isn't true. There were so many poor people. And they are conveniently forgotten.
it just really upsets me that people fail to recognize that even though it may have statistically been easier to get a home due to the amount of hours needed to be worked, it wasn't as though a home was a given for a lot of people.
And as a result, not all of us are "being" helped... or ever got anything more than wanted amounted to a gift they made themselves... when their parents died.
Snuffyisreal@reddit
Honestly, I thought the life you had was the best . No joke. We had a house a couple cars and a vacation. But anything my parents made went up in smoke or down in booze . And it was there's. We were to not be seen or heard. They hated us.
It sucked because I was hungry skinny neglected and the actually poor single mom family on food stamps found me hand me downs.
But on the outside my mother and father were put together .
I thought growing up to work in a factory or as a waitress was the goal . Because their Kids had food and clothes. While I had nothing.
Crazy how nothing is ever as it seems.
elektrik_noise@reddit
Isn't it so interesting that a lot of the time it's the people who have less that are the ones who give the most? Like, relatively speaking.
Snuffyisreal@reddit
That's always been my experience.
jharrisimages@reddit
I’m 38 and never made much of myself. I went to the Navy and got out after 4 years, tried college a few times but I’m the kind of person that is a great learner, but a terrible student. I’ve worked my way up in the security industry over the last 12 years and I’m fairly comfortable now, but I’ve never owned anything new, all pre owned vehicles and such. Currently driving a Honda CR-V I bought from my grandmother with Alzheimer’s. Never owned a house, always rented. I feel like I’m failing because all my life I was taught that to be a Man you have to work hard and buy stuff, if you’re broke, then you aren’t a Man, you’re a child. But I look around and a lot of other people my age don’t have shit either. Sign of the times, I guess, but it doesn’t make me feel any better.
strider0075@reddit
Same dude. Here's the thing that gets under my skin about the OP and some of the others here. Firstly, there's always gonna be others who judge you because you're doing better than them, because you're always gonna be more well off than someone somewhere. So who gives a crap if they think you got help. Second, getting help isn't a bad thing. The only reason I'm not in the street right now is because someone helped me. Thirdly, just because you (the op and others) got better dice rolls doesn't mean you're the average.
I'm in a similar boat, grew up on welfare, school lunches and a house with warped floors. Also former Navy, in a roommate situation because it's all I can afford. Buy everything pre-owned, went to college on GI, sucked/got shitty luck/got screwed so became a professional driver. I live comfortably but nowhere near the American dream and that's what folks are pissed about and what people like the op need to get through their skulls. OP got lucky, everybody else didn't and they're tired of settling for less despite busting their humps while everyone else gets the game in easy mode.
TemperatureTight465@reddit
Trailer park/ living at Grandma's kid right here. I was skinny af, even with food stamps and reduced lunch, and didn't hit my growth spurt until I started working at 13 an could buy my own food. I grew a foot in 6 months. My 'gym shoes' were the 99 cent bo-bos from a discount store.
although mine was less a general poverty situation (I realized much later) and more of a "my mom would rather spend her money on herself situation." After the lean times improved, she spent every spare dime on herself: clothes, trips to the Caribbean, etc.
My dad was equally selfish, but his wife wasn't, luckily. He also got his parents paid off house, although I'm sure he promptly mortgaged it and made my stepmom pay 90%
DrenAss@reddit
Similar here in that we should have been middle class, but my mom was always trying to spend her way to happiness. She wasn't friends with anyone so I have no idea why she cared what they thought of her with her gaudy QVC jewelry and animal print clothes. She was "poor person trying to look rich."
So even though my dad had a good union job and she had a service job, we often ate saltines for a snack because that's all that was in the cupboard, we got crappy sack lunches ever day for years, and eventually she stopped getting us school clothes. We never went hungry, so I can't complain. Just low key neglect.
And it will come as no surprise that she and I don't talk anymore.
TemperatureTight465@reddit
I don't think we would have been middle class even if she gave a damn, but I find it hard to forgive having to ask the school nurse for .40 for lunch because my mother found it more fun to pretend I didn't have needs. Sorry to hear that you can relate
ipsumdeiamoamasamat@reddit
Bobos, they’ll make your feet feel fine
Bobos, they only cost a dollah ninety nine
SteveMartinique@reddit
I feel bad for one of my cousin's kids. Her mother goes on vacation and leaves her home alone. She doesn't even live with her mother anymore.
SinisterSnoot@reddit
I’m 46, also went through the poverty draft. It got me out of what would have been a dead end place. My wife and I both make more than anyone we are related to could even hope to fantasize about. No one helped us but the American public, with pell grants and similar aid.
odin_the_wiggler@reddit
Being told that Santa isn't coming for Christmas will light an unbelievable passion to succeed in a person.
Mistriever@reddit
This one is tough. Mine are 22, 20, 18, and 17. I'm batting at .500 right now. I told all my kids that if they wanted to go to college (or trade school) I'd pay for it. One kid took five years to graduate high school, my youngest is going to end up with a GED. They just don't have the drive and no level of cajloing from me seems to make a difference. As one of my colleagues told me years ago, "I'm raising punk-ass suburb kids" despite my attempts otherwise. They can't comprehend the lifestyle their mother and I grew up in. As a result they lack the fire that drove the two of us to get to the level of prosperity we're at.
Username_NullValue@reddit
People only work as hard as they need to reach their comfort zone. It’s easy to schlep off when you have a roof over your head, a full stomach every night, able to sleep in, vape pens, internet, etc.
Having to work two shitty retail jobs, pay rent, eat ramen and tv dinners, keep a shit box car on the road so you don’t lose the shitty retail job - that’s the motivation to get into a career to never be in that situation again.
Western-Corner-431@reddit
My family has numerous children like this. Their friends are all like this.
Mistriever@reddit
Might aren't to that level by any stretch. We helped with down payments on the initial, used car, but that was the extent. I didn't want them to be burdened with student loan debt which is why I paid for college for the 22 year old and am paying for college for the 20-year old. I also generally put a lot of stock into education in general which is why I'm so appalled half of them have approached it so nonchalantly. I chose to retake classes I got a C in over summer break, the idea of failing a class just never crossed my mind at their age.
Username_NullValue@reddit
They have a safety net. They don’t need to take it seriously or without hesitation because it’s all covered - anytime they choose. On one hand, I would have loved the ability to take risks and explore things, having someone else absorb the risk of failure, but I had to take advantage of opportunities as they became available. Otherwise, that opportunity may no longer exist. Hustle by necessity. Pros / Cons
judgeridesagain@reddit
Oof. I was one of those punk-ass suburb kids. Hard to fight my way out of garbage jobs with no future outside of putting myself into debt and going back to school.
Keep on them.
UnwillingHummingbird@reddit
I've reached the conclusion that you can't instill the lessons of poverty in a child without the trauma of poverty. That's just how life works. You try to make a better life for your kids, but in the process you make it impossible for them to completely understand some things that others go through. it's a blessing, but a mixed blessing.
MaineHippo83@reddit
Hard times make hard men. Hard men make good times good times make weak men, and weak men make hard times.
Oversimplified but there is some truth
Brknwtch@reddit
I have been seeing that quote a lot recently. In case anyone wants to know where that quote is from. It is from a post-apocalyptic fiction book called, “Those Who Remain”
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”
G. Michael Hopf, Those Who Remain (The New World #7)
PersonOfInterest85@reddit
So stop making good times. .
MaineHippo83@reddit
We are working on it.
GrunchWeefer@reddit
It's tough. My son is 17 and had every advantage I never had and he's so fucking lazy. I've tried so hard to get him to care about grades, hard work, etc and nothing. It's gotten to the point where it's strained our relationship. He's just so spoiled and comfortable.
1980pzx@reddit
I’m sure you are a great parent. There is absolutely nothing wrong with giving your kids things that you yourself weren’t lucky enough to receive in your youth. That is one of the perks of working hard to get where you are currently at. With that said, you can still teach your kids the value of a hard earned dollar and a good work ethic and still hook them up (not spoil the shit out of), every now and again.
Heavy72@reddit
I remember those Christmas's
TitansFrontRow@reddit (OP)
I'm going to steal the term "the poverty draft"!
DiaDeLosMuebles@reddit
Lower middle class here. No trailer. But also very simple vacations and one present for Christmas.
I hated when schools made us write an “what we did on summer vacation” essay.
yowza_wowza@reddit
Right here 🙋♀️
GrunchWeefer@reddit
Dude, we're the same person. Except instead of "trailer park" it was "welfare motel" and later "roach-infested section 8 one bedroom apartment".
I was the urban version of you. I got my first house in 2014 at 35. It's the first time I've lived in a house. I always lived in shitty apartments though I did live in townhouses after college.
My parents were both high school drop outs with substance issues. I busted my ass and went to a prestigious college. People assume I grew up rich, but I secretly still harbor deep resentment of most of my current peers who grew up super comfortable.
Western-Corner-431@reddit
Give up that resentment. It’s no secret. Everyone knows you have a hair across your ass. How children grow up has nothing to do with them. How weird would it be if those people harbored “secret” resentment towards people who grew up poor? Other people’s circumstances have nothing to do with us and resentment is useless and unnecessary. You made it, good for you.
TitansFrontRow@reddit (OP)
Congratulations!
Own-Reception-2396@reddit
If you are of average intelligence and haven’t had any bad health breaks you can generally attain your goals if you want them bad enough
Upvoteexpert@reddit
I remember I got a $10 bill for my birthday once and that night I lost it in the park. We were outside with flashlights trying to find it as it was $10 freaking dollars! Never did find it and it was a big deal. We didn’t grow up as poor as you but we definitely didn’t vacation or were extravagant. I only attribute that to my aunt living with us so there were three poor incomes coming in. They still live together in the modest home I grew up in, too. My aunt is my second mother and my spouse and I know we will take care of her one day as she took care of me and my siblings.
dorky2@reddit
Heck, my parents are a nurse and a teacher and even we didn't have much. We did own our house, which was small and not fancy, but we didn't have nice cars, nice clothes, vacations, etc. And they didn't help us pay for college at all. The 80s and 90s weren't a utopia. Always nice to see a reality check against that rose-colored-glasses narrative.
Ethel_Marie@reddit
Finally, a post about being poor and not about all the stuff you miss from childhood, like your SNES collection. I got a Gameboy when I was 13. I had to work a paper route and two weeks of pay would buy one game that cost $20. My parents didn't buy me games, but they did buy the $100 Gameboy, which was my only present that year. Yes, I know this makes me less poor, but I only got it because my older sisters had moved out and there was just enough to give me a nice present that year.
I still think I don't like peanut butter because of government commodities. There were flakes in it and the texture was so bad. When I stay in a hotel with a "hot" breakfast buffet, I immediately know the eggs are made from powder because you don't forget that taste. We had chickens so we had real eggs, but the chickens died (or coyotes ate them) and we had only commodity powdered eggs and I cried because powdered eggs taste so bad.
I wasn't as poor as others here, but I can relate on some things.
jamie535535@reddit
It’s absolutely ridiculous & I don’t understand how so many people on the internet around my age claim everyone they knew as a kid had a nice house, multiple kids, & a stay at home mom. My parents did okay but both of them worked & all my friends except one had 2 working parents. And my grandparents & great grandparents had the multiple kids on one income lifestyle & they were poor & lived in shitty little houses in a shitty little town.
fatstupidlazypoor@reddit
I would consider myself expert at turning 2 food stamps into two pieces of candy and a pack of Marb 100s.
PopcornSurgeon@reddit
Poor people are always forgotten. And we should be angry about that reality. Thank you for the reminder.
SmartShirt9044@reddit
My parents had an apartment in the lower east side of Manhattan in the early 80’s. Crime was everywhere and the building we lived in had no heat and hot water. My wife and I worked ourselves and our kids out of a similar apartment into a home that had a side set up for my parents. We achieved the dream but there was no helping hand, just two people determined to do better. But my parents did all they could, just didn’t have enough to do more.
Biguitarnerd@reddit
Yeah I get this a lot too. Thing is I didn’t have it as bad as you growing up but I still grew up in a small house and we never spent money on anything. I got no handouts, paid for my own college, worked my own way up. My dad passed a couple years ago and I got no inheritance.
I paid for my education, I busted my ass to get ahead, no one gave me extra opportunities. Now I’m doing pretty good, I have a nice house and nice cars and a boat. But this idea that someone paved the way for me? No. My dad was alcoholic and I paid his bills when he was broke even when I could barely afford it. Sometimes it made things hard for my family. No one paid my bills. No one helped us, we helped ourselves.
I do have to say that housing is crazy today. I’m on my third house and I thought it three years ago and I could not afford it today. I could still get a decent house, but not what I’m in now.
DarkAltarEgo@reddit
Lived in a rented trailer, where sometimes there was money for utilities, sometimes not. Dad worked 2 jobs, food stamps helped. Extra cash was spent on booze and drugs. When I got a job, my money was their money, even though I wanted to save for a car, largely because I couldn't rely on them to not get too high/drunk to be able to pick me up from work or school events. I eventually did buy a POS car, but that too became theirs. Despite the initial struggle, the best thing I ever did for myself was to get out of there.
ipsumdeiamoamasamat@reddit
Congrats on making it out. I don’t know if I would’ve had that strength and determination.
Ill_Dig_9759@reddit
This post SCREAMS millennial.
Who the fuck cares how others think you got to where you are?
ipsumdeiamoamasamat@reddit
Section 8 kid here. I think we made too much to live in the projects. Now me and my soon-to-be wife own (still hard to think that bc the bank really is the owner) a townhouse in the burbs of an expensive metro area. My inheritance from my dad was squat, in fact I had to pay for his funeral. It’s so easy to forget where you came from sometimes, I’m pretty lucky I’ve gotten this far.
GenericRedditor1937@reddit
I like to say my family lived paycheck-to-paycheck because although we weren't technically below the poverty line and we didn't receive welfare, we were a paycheck-to-paycheck, no college savings, trailer-living, reduced school lunches, single parent family.
My husband grew up poorer than my family.
It took until pur mid-30s, but we've both found success in our careers and are doing well financially. There's something about growing up poor, though, because it sure doesn't feel like we now have means.
MetaverseLiz@reddit
Lived in a trailer park till I was 13. My parents threw all their money into a private school education. It was real weird being the "poor kid" amongst a bunch of rich kids.
It gave me a unique perspective. Turns out, rich people suck, but money actually does but happiness.
TitansFrontRow@reddit (OP)
Do you feel the money they put into your education was a good use of that money?
MetaverseLiz@reddit
That's the million dollar question of my life. The public school I would have gone to was not great. The private schools I went to gave me a good education but were super toxic (Christian private schools and rich parent politics).
I was an ambitious kid. I had very clear life goals very early in my life- I wanted to be the first person in my family to go to college. Could I have still gotten into the college I did if I went into public school? Maybe? Would public have prepared me for college? I don't think so? But I don't really know. I was so gung-ho that I think I would have made it work either way.
I make about $110K a year, bought my own house, and was able to move out of my homestate. My parents sacrificed so much of themselves for me to get that good education and use it to move halfway across the country. I don't think that's what they wanted me to do. They always expected I would stay at least within driving distance, get married, pop out a couple of kids, and maybe move out to the country with them when they get old. I am the opposite of that... to say the least.
I'm the outlier in the family (minus a late uncle). I think my education and upbringing turned me into a "smarty pants". I don't really have much in common with my extended family, education-wise and politics/beliefs-wise. It's caused a rift.
TLDR: I dunno. Probably? I'm happy to be where I am right now.
guitar_stonks@reddit
Roughly the same situation for me, I was poor but got zoned into the public school for the middle and upper middle class area. The name “Kmart clothes” still stings.
TurbulentPromise4812@reddit
My parents were poor, then middle class, then crazy poor, then middle class, my mother abandoned me in college then I went homeless, i have like 10 physical photos and nothing more from when I was a kid.
My kids won't go through all that.
Your story is interesting and the writing is great; if you put out an autobiography I would buy it.
TitansFrontRow@reddit (OP)
Thank you! I appreciate it!
No kidding, I keep trying to get on as a contributor at Rolling Stone. One day I hope to find some success with that!
TurbulentPromise4812@reddit
If a post is longer than three unbroken paragraphs I usually skip to the comments. Yours is damn articulate and compelling, write more and post links please
SteveMartinique@reddit
Damn, what caused all the fluctuations? Why'd your Mom abandon you?
TurbulentPromise4812@reddit
My parents were both selfish boomers they should have gotten divorced but stayed together for the kids. My dad had anger problems that kept getting him fired, he died when I was a kid, my mom went on a crazy spending spree, when she landed a BF she stopped returning my calls.
Blackhole_5un@reddit
This is fair and valid. The middle class was more prosperous 30-50 years ago, but that didn't mean people weren't struggling. I had a house to grow up in, but it was a shared house with my grandparents. My mom had to live with her parents her whole life, and they weren't the greatest, but far from the worst. My father had a good salary with a civic job (union) but my mom didn't work much and there wasn't a lot to go around, but we made due. I never thought of myself as poor, but we were low down on the "middle class" ladder. Now, the middle class is closer to poverty than the "haves" but there has always been a large portion of the population that fits exactly what you are saying.
beebsaleebs@reddit
My parents were working poor. My dad did his level best to keep my mother chained to the house, pregnant. He was angry when she tied her tubes after the second child from rape.
She went to college, became a nurse. We moved into our first home with aircon, interior doors, and modern electric when I was a tween thanks to her efforts.
That’s where her efforts ceased. My parents hated us and spent our years doing their best bonding with eachother over how much they hated us. The abuse was multifactorial. Their other examples showed me the way out.
They’re not dead, but they’re dead to me. They asked my grandmother if I wanted to inherit a while back. I told her to tell them to follow their heart. I expect I’ll receive exactly what I always did.
I’ve kept my children from them because they aren’t just bad people, they’re like cult leader bad people. They work hard to earn your trust and then obliterate you with what they learn. They’re awful people. So my children also don’t have grandparents- not like I did.
But yeah. We went on vacation 2-3 times. Those stories are not fun memories and I’ll leave those where they belong.
Glittering-Station78@reddit
We had a home in the poorest part of the city. I remember my mom crying when she saw that our neighborhood was branded the poorest in the local paper. I also remember having to duck down and hide when the mortgage company came to the house to collect their payment.
All I’ve ever known is people working their ass off for peanuts.
That government peanut butter made some good peanut butter cookies when we could afford it…
wheresripp@reddit
I don’t remember government cheese but I grew up on powdered milk. I can still taste it. We got off welfare when I was eight but never actually escaped poverty… instead, my parents just started acting like we weren’t poor. We started going to church and pretending to fit in with the other families. Meanwhile, I was wearing ancient hand me downs with shoes that were literally stapled together Being told it was my fault because I “drag my feet”.
I think the idea that success came so easily back then is tainted by the majority of poor families spending every last cent to make it look like they weren’t poor. At least that’s what my family did.
TitansFrontRow@reddit (OP)
That's a really unique perspective. That the "success" people had was just a thin veneer.
violetstrainj@reddit
Hardly anyone in my family actually lived in a house. Most people had one lot with four or five double-wide trailers on it, and each family lived in a different trailer. No lot fees, no mortgage, and usually only one or two people had a job out of the fifteen or so adults that lived on those lots. My first twelve years of life were spent in a single-wide trailer on a small 1-acre lot my parents bought. I didn’t have my own room until I was in junior high.
NiteElf@reddit
Hey OP, just wanna mention that you’re a good writer. I would be happy to read more stuff that you’ve written, if it’s out in the world.
The point you’re making is also really worth discussing. I wasn’t one of those kids in the 80s/90s, but my mom was, a generation earlier (both her parents worked-and worked their asses off, at menial jobs-at a time when women were expected to stay home). I think about it a lot—the narratives we tell about class/poverty tend to flatten out a lot of details.
TitansFrontRow@reddit (OP)
Thank you!!!
And I agree with your thoughts!
MyKidsArentOnReddit@reddit
I don't want to take anything away from what you've accomplished, but I think you're missing the point people are making. You mentioned a few things that helped your poor family survive:
Trailer parks are actually a very useful way to provide inexpensive housing. However thanks to a stigma, they're also being attacked. No new mobile home parks are being created anywhere, and more and more are being torn down every day. You said your mom could pay the lot rent - good. But guess what? About 15 years ago private equity realized that they could buy a mobile home park and jack up the lot rents and the residents would have to pay because moving mobile homes (despite the name) is next to impossible. As mom and pop owners have retired or died, big owners are moving in and raising prices through the roof. There have been a number of investigative reporting type pieces on this I'm sure you can find on the web and youtube if you're curious.
Food stamps and other forms of government assistance have likewise been under attack since Newt Gingrich's late 90s "contract with America".
TitansFrontRow@reddit (OP)
I could not possibly agree more with your entire comment.
I'll even add one more piece to this puzzle:
Even little things like a concert ticket are now too expensive for anybody to get. Because that "big owner" mentality is now being forced down the younger generations throats to such an extent that people justify buying an extra ticket to EVERY concert they go to, just to mark it up to 200% of face value so that they can get as close as possible to not having to pay for their own ticket.
It is SUCH a dog eat dog world out there right now. Of course, then that ticket seller is priced out of housing and doesn't understand that they are doing the same thing, albeit to a lesser degree, that the investment real estate companies are doing- which is anything they can to squeeze an extra buck out of anything they touch.
No_Dependent_8346@reddit
Grew up on a farm in the 80s, we were considered "rich" because of the land and the size of the barn and milking "operation". Yeah, over a million in 1980s dollars in debt, coupled with the farming crash (Thanks Regan /s), my parents, older brother, other siblings and myself hardly had any time off. I left home at 18 to work logging, construction and logistics, but you never really leave a family farm, I still took phone calls for helping out, because family (meant with nothing but love). My 91-year-old father is in assisted living and barely ambulatory, my older brother uses two canes at 73. I'm collecting disability at 56 for my sacral joint and lower back, and my wife and I are FINALLY getting ready to go view our FIRST home. Nobody gave any of us SHIT! we broke ourselves to earn it. But 4 bedrooms, 2 baths, mother-in-law suite over a 4-car garage, a 30x60 log barn in the beautiful garden peninsula of the U.P. and 11 acres. (because ......farm)
No_Dependent_8346@reddit
Going to add, my kids will ALWAYS have a place as long as I have my land and room enough for another house, therefore 11 acres.
CozmicOwl16@reddit
I’m very sorry for what you went through. I had a different sort of poverty. we lived in an old house that I don’t know how my parents bought that was always falling apart in different ways. We had food stamps, but I never knew it. I did understand that sometimes dinner was five bean casserole consisted of a crockpot full of five different types of canned beans. Which also meant I was going that night because I couldn’t hold them down. I was underfed 99% of the time.
But I do understand what people are talking about good old days because my grandfather had a very different shake of it. When he graduated high school he chose to go into the Air Force and repaired plane engines in attempt to avoid going to the Korean War. After that, he met my grandmother at a high school dance. (yes they let a grown man into the high school dance to pick from the women.). And he promptly and easily bought their first house and a little shop he made into a TV shop. he became insanely rich selling TVs through the 1950s and 60s and never felt the need to pass any of that down saying he had earned it all himself and his children should do the same.
My dad worked at places like builders Square and my aunt /his sister worked for JCPenney for her whole life. They were raised with wealth and then cast out. So they had no idea how to live as poor people. Both made it to solid middle-class living before they passed away, but neither retired before they died. They both died in their 60s.
But I do think in the 1950s and 60s (for white men) It was way easier to find a job that paid a living wage than it is now. I do know things that have only become worse for people attempting to live/ maintain middle-class lifestyle. While , at the same time there’s more subsidies and programs for the poor. This makes the trap just a little bit more wicked
illini02@reddit
Yeah, its interesting.
Not as poor as you growing up. But I did have a single mom. She was a nurse, so she made decent money. I do know that she bought a house when I was like 7, but I believe it was with A LOT of help from my grandparents, at least with the down payment. And it was literally a 2 bedroom ranch house with a 1 car garage. It's not that much bigger than my current condo, but I'm sure relatively speaking my condo is much more expensive.
I didn't know anyone with a lake house growing up. My mom always had a used car. we couldn't afford hot lunch, so I brought a sandwich, some 25 cent chips, and one of those colored barrel drinks with the foil on it for lunch everyday.
So yeah, while on one hand, I do believe it was much easier to get a lot of things back then on a much lower salary, I think acting like everyone just had all this wealth and disposable income was is very much revisionist history. That said, there were a lot more of those factory and union jobs where it took very little experience to enter, and you basically were set for life as long as you weren't an idiot.
Pizzasaurus-Rex@reddit
I want to push back on this. I vaguely remember govt. cheese, or else I remember my folks talking about how good it was for mac and cheese.
But my dad was an 18-year old drunk not working more than odd-jobs then, living off some good will from his inlaws and my mom wasn't working at all. As soon as he got a high school drop out career at a no skill factory, we moved out of the trailer park.
TitansFrontRow@reddit (OP)
Reading your further comments, your pointed out one of the reasons I heavily support unions. I grew up in a place called "Joy Estates", on the outskirts of Detroit.
It was crazy how as soon as kids Dad's would get on at the UAW they would often get a house.
SteveMartinique@reddit
Was your Dad at a Union job? If you could get in at a factory you could get a decent set up as usually there were routine raises. Factories usually wanted to keep skilled people on staff to reduce errors and keep up production especially before factory tools were as efficient and able to be automated as much as they are now.
There were still plenty of people working shitty jobs as waitresses and cashiers that didn't have the kind of upward momentum that a factory job would provide.
Pizzasaurus-Rex@reddit
It was a union job. It was also non-managerial and unskilled trades. They aren't hiring entire cities of workers across the Midwest to do that sort of work anymore. But if I was any adult male living in the area at the time, I could have gotten in on that same career track.
I get that it's not indicative of everyone's experience, but neither is OPs.
Worldly_Ask_9113@reddit
Yeah. A union job that paid well, regardless of the skill involved. Sure, buying power was greater then. But your Dad was paid well, whether you realized it or not.
Pizzasaurus-Rex@reddit
Of course I realize it now. At the time it was normal because we were living in a suburb of flint populated by shop rats. I also noticed the school teachers in my (for its time) low income community were living in big houses too. Same with the local barber. Guy who ran the town's car wash. Hell my older cousin got herself a place on a job selling shoes at the mall (if anyone wants to make an Al Bundy comparison)
And keep in mind also, working in Flint during the Roger and Me years weren't universally blessed days...
Worldly_Ask_9113@reddit
No. I suppose they weren’t.
like_shae_buttah@reddit
Hell no it wasn’t. I’m glad y’all moved up but that wasn’t a universal experience. Not even close.
Pizzasaurus-Rex@reddit
There's no such thing as a universal experience when it comes to stuff like this.
My point is, that lifestyle was briefly possible for a whole helluva lot of people that would be/are underwater today with that lack of a skillset. And keep in mind, this is in Flint Michigan, during the Roger and Me years.
AdventuressInLife@reddit
This was more in line with my experience as well. Mom had me at 20 and never married. Dad moved out of the country and had 5 more kids, so really no regular child support to speak of. Yes, we were on food stamps, but that was at least 3-4 full grocery carts a month. Rent was a pittance of take home and covered with additional social safety nets. We had money to eat out and have some gifts for holidays. Mom eventually got a degree, and a union job, then she bought a trailer. Grandparents also helped out a lot - again, no education, but they had union jobs and owned their own home. Buying power is simply a fraction of what it once was and the social safety nets have been decimated. The poor are definitely struggling more now than we did then. Hell, the "middle class" is struggling more now.
rememblem@reddit
My family was estranged and cut off from generational wealth for the second half of my childhood. It wasn't poverty but it was paycheck to paycheck - parents fretting about the rent being paid - not owning a house in a not-too-terrible suburb (and trying to fit in with second-hand everything - ain't fun). Many trips to ALDI. I'm unsure if we ever used food stamps, but there were a few times when the cabinets were lean/bare. Missed out on some sports/programs/opportunities due to knowing my parents couldn't afford the uniform/ticket/whatever.
So not poverty, but I can still understand regardless, because a lot of people really didn't have it easy - or their trajectory was misdirected in some way because of how those times played out.
Mackheath1@reddit
My parents were migrants (legal, lest people want to throw arms). But becausetheir heritage or whatever you want to call it, they put on airs. So when the box of old vegetables and dairy were constantly delivered from the co-op to our door in San Antonio and I asked my mom what it was, and she said: put it inside now. My dad would come back with my older brother fishing after work and I thought it was sport - wow they caught six catfish!
That's when - at 8 years old - I knew we were different. Christmas was a cartoon book or crossword puzzle.
Now that I'm very well off (and my parents are well- thank you), my goal is to address food insecurity with my money but also with my hands.*
The thing is you can't tell by looking at people; I think the Xennials know this better than any other generation, but I'm biased. It was built inherent that (1) We have so much to lose and (2) we have so much to prove.
*- If anyone in America is hungry look up LasagnaLove - we deliver a full meal from our own kitchen no questions asked. I also help abroad. No person should be hungry ever. Every Xennial has their own charities.
WorldlinessThis2855@reddit
My parents didn’t own a house until I got into high school. It was a double wide. They both worked their asses off, but we moved around and lived in various apartments or old mill houses. My dad was a preacher and a welder and my mom did secretarial work as a kid then eventually got a job with the county government doing about the same. I’m from the south in a very rural area that tended to be blue collar. An area that many people don’t think about unless they want to talk about bum fuck and white trash where it suits their narrative. Otherwise we are assumed to have come up like every white person they see on tv right?
Mistriever@reddit
There is brief period in US history, roughly 1948 to 1972, where a high school education and a single income were enough to support a family. WW2 was over. The rest of the industrialized world was decimated. Europe had just spent 5 years firebombing each other. Western Russia looked a lot like Eastern Ukraine does today (you can see the frontline from orbit). Japan had literally been nuked, twice. Most of the rest of the world was still unindustrialized.
Then you have the US, at the time a manufacturing juggernaut, who had just spent years building up its industrial base to the point where it could not only support it's own vast war machine (like building 175 Fletcher-class destroyers in four years) but also support the war machines of our allies, particularly Russia and the UK, through the lend-lease program. Suddenly the bulk of that industrial base was supplying consumer and commercial goods to the rest of the world while they struggled to rebuild their industrial base and infrastructure from the rampant destruction of WW2.
There are certainly plenty of other factors, but the US being the only major, intact industrial base on the planet certainly played a huge part in our economic success.
Because of that brief period of history, all future economies are compared to that anomaly in US history like it was the norm for all time before the present. It just isn't the case.
Mud_Landry@reddit
Women entering the workforce also played a pretty significant role as the government saw that households suddenly had 2 incomes and much more free capital. Prices then started to go up as the slow lurch of capitalism was just taking hold.
Mistriever@reddit
More free capital, but not nearly as high an increase in demand. Women drive as much as 85% of consumer spending in 2024 (depending on which study you look at). You essentially doubled the supply of worker without nearly as significant an increase in demand of consumer goods. Wages rising slower than cost is partially a byproduct of that dynamic.
neonblackiscool@reddit
I thought people who lived in any house, even a shithole, were rich. I thought having a yard in the suburbs was luxury. I lived in a rent-controlled apt my entire life, cramped as hell. I now feel successful bc I can live alone in a high COL area and do modest travel adventures. We certainly did not have two cars, nice house, etc. it was not easy. My family did value education and art, and I was able to get out that way.
etakerns@reddit
My wife and I are high school sweethearts. And we climbed out the depths of poverty. My wife grew up in a single wide trailer with no underpinning and no running water and it had to be packed the trailer in 5 gallon buckets. I grew up in section 8 housing on food stamps. I’m now retired military and my wife is working on her retirement as a school teacher with two masters degrees. Now we own our home, just sold our boat and put in a pool, we’re never going back, onward, and upward. And as far as getting help from family, forget it, we currently help our own mothers with occasional money just so they can survive.
RLIwannaquit@reddit
The AVERAGE family was able to do these things back then - the middle class was much more robust and "wealthy" during the 80's, although that's when it started to really go downhill fast into what we have now. Real wages were just higher back then compared to the price index
ElectricSnowBunny@reddit
I don't remember that narrative ever existing, but houses were definitely much less expensive and a middle class life more attainable on blue collar wages.
Oh well there is your problem.
Real-Championship331@reddit
Yeah, I don't think people are forgetting that poverty did in fact exist in the past. But wages have not been keeping up with cost of living and housing for a long time and I knew plenty of working-class families that owned homes growing up. They were modest homes and, to be fair, I also lived somewhere where housing costs are much lower than in other parts of the country. This graph seems to tell the story pretty succinctly: House price to income ratio - Housing affordability index - Wikipedia
ElectricSnowBunny@reddit
I'm not even sure where OPs rant is going other than apparently being bitter over their parents being poor and angry at the world for assuming otherwise.
BostonBlackCat@reddit
My grandfather DID work at the local shoe factory as a low skilled worker and was still lower middle class. Had a two story house, two cars, and raised 4 kids on that salary and had a comfortable retirement.
I live in the same town he and my grandmother did. The tiny ranch house he and my grandma downsized to after the kids were grown and they retired is still around and has had minimal upgrades to it. It last sold in 2022 for $670,000.
My husband and I both have good white collar jobs and one kid, and we can't afford my lower income grandparent's downsized home.
brandiLeeCO@reddit
I am 42 grew up poor as hell with a single mom. We lived apartment to relatives house “until we could get on our feet” and my dream was to have a house with stairs. I have all of that now with no help from anyone.
bendingtacos@reddit
@ 42 I have had a lot of people I met in the past 10 years assume I was helped by my parents. I was a little unaware that in the world so many people my age got ahead, or couldn't have gotten ahead with out help from their parents. It almost made me wonder how they worked for so long with nothing to show for it, and they would not have been able to purchase a house with out significant help from parents. For those of us that didn't have help, I think it comes as a shock as we can't figure out what that would look like, having thousands of dollars just transferred between family members, and on top of that , having been able to do that for decades?
From there, I kind of resent those that didn't make it out of poverty or lower middle class, I sometimes think well I worked hard and the system worked for me, why didn't you follow the same foot steps I did? Get a job that pays for school, get a degree, make some money, invest in something, stocks, real estate , business, put money in 401k etc. From that group that didn't make it I see a few of the same traits in behavior, personalities etc
drawnnquarter@reddit
I don't know who is feeding you this BS, I grew up in the 60's, we were considered middle class. I didn't get more than 200 miles from home until I was 20. I was one of six, my mom didn't work, my dad hustled sales, we lived in a tiny house, had one car that my dad was always trying to keep running for one more year.
Look at the things people spend money on in 2024 that didn't exist in 1965. Big screen TV's, cell phones, video games, fast food, PC's, streaming video, tats and piercings were not popular, destination weddings, drugs for every pseudo-mental disability, etc..
No_Variation_9282@reddit
Don’t hate them, for they know not what they do.
But yea man I hear you. In my 20’s, everyone I know cohabitated to survive. I was living in a trailer park with roommates to make ends meet - and I was the one with a steady job.
MaineHippo83@reddit
You are absolutely correct. By all measures most Americans are better off today.
When you were coming up there were people in appalachia with dirt floors.
There are issues with the world and stresses and struggles today but everyone wants to act like the past was all flowers and sunshine.
Houses were small, lower building standards, less safe. Families had 1 car that didn't half have the features or safety we have today.
No one had a computer let alone one in our pockets.
I could go on. The memes about the past are meant to enrage us so we fight for change. If you want change by all means fight for it but don't gaslight about the past.
shemague@reddit
Just bc you grew up poor doesn’t mean things weren’t more accessible and doable back then than it is now.
cmgww@reddit
We still have a trailer…only now it’s a 2nd summer home on a lake. Nothing fancy but we worked hard for it.
Growing up, we didn’t have much when I was a kid. My dad grew up in a trailer and had 2 pairs of jeans to his name when he met my mom. She wasn’t much better (so much for the boomers having all kinds of money)….my mom drove a rusty Chevette when I was young and it was only until high school that we had any type of middle class existence….yeah I remember when Red Lobster was a “big night out” and most nights were dried beef and gravy….wearing jeans with iron-on patches bc my parents couldn’t afford new ones when I ripped them (and the school kids laughed at me)….LA Gear shoes when they were NOT popular. I wasn’t a trailer park kid but not too far above that.
like_shae_buttah@reddit
People view the past either through their own experience or via television and movies since they have no experience. My experience was desperate poverty, abusive parents, bad neighborhoods and tons of bullies. I’m glad that’s time period is over.
alcoyot@reddit
Well you kind of said it yourself . Your mom working a day waitress was able to raise a whole family. That couldn’t happen now.
What you’ve done in life is very impressive. For me I think that I will be getting some kind of inheritance, but I do not feel I deserve it because it’s money I didn’t earn. So I will probably give most of it to family who need it more than me.
The exaggeration of saying they had a house plus a whole bunch of other stuff is kind of straw manning the point. The point is, they did have a house.
aenflex@reddit
Raised by a single mom. Dirt poor, government cheese, free meals at church, no car, no laundry machines, perpetual renters of shitty apartments, free lunch poor.
I was a bootstraps kid. If I wanted anything, I was going to have to work and get it myself.
GrizzlyAdam12@reddit
I'm 47. We weren't ever in section 8 housing, but we were poor...growing up in the Midwest. I am just old enough to remember eating government cheese and drinking Kool Aid. We also got free food from wealthy people at church.
I received pell grants to help me get a college degree in economics. As far as I know, I'm the first kid on either side of my family to get a four year degree out of high school.
After graduation , I didn't have a clue what I was going to do in corporate America, because nobody in my family had ever worked in that environment. So, I had to just figure it out on my own (the xenial way).
After two years in financial services, I began an executive MBA program. I'd work 40 hours, take night classes and then g home to my family (I was married by 22 and had two kids by 26).
I've had a good career and, yeah...we get to go on vacations that I never would've dreamed of as a kid. We are definitely not rich, but we should be comfortable at retirement.
This does not happen in most countries. So, I'm humble and thankful for all of the opportunities we have in the US.
schoolisuncool@reddit
Yup, my single mom worked 2 jobs and I didn’t see her much. We barely made it by living in the trailer park, wearing my older cousins hand me downs
ObjectSmall@reddit
I grew up middle class in the 80s and 90s. My dad was a doctor but terrible with money so he spent a lot on "get rich quick" schemes and lost it all. But we had plenty, in the true meaning of the word -- we had pretty much exactly what we needed. But not ever really more than we needed.
But when I think back to my childhood, I remember buying clothes at Goodwill or thrift stores, every piece of furniture in the house being bought from the classified ads or from a garage sale or a friend who was upgrading, having three pairs of shoes in high school and probably eight or nine shirts and five pairs of pants... we just didn't have as much as people are used to now and that's where the money came from that paid for the mortgage. Vacations? Five days a year at a grubby time share (see above: "bad with money"). There was stability, though, because my parents kept our expenses so low.
When it came time for college, my parents literally never said a word to me about how I was going to pay for it. I was lucky enough to have scholarships to a state school, but even as I was leaving for the dorm, nobody was like, "Here's a few hundred dollars to get you started." It was assumed I'd be working if I needed money. Every semester I would run out of money in the last couple of weeks and my stepmother would send me a little bit so I could eat.
There was so much less emphasis on parents doing and buying and arranging things for kids back then. Like, when it was time to come home from college for holidays, my parents didn't even ask if I knew how I was getting home. They just assumed I'd figure out a ride for myself. So, like, even if your parents did have a house, etc., it's not like they were sharing, lol.
MercyCriesHavoc@reddit
Good for you. I'm still in a trailer park. The difference is, my single mother paid rent on our trailer in the late 80s by working low/no skill jobs. Now, my husband and I struggle to pay rent, even having no kids to support.
No one is saying everyone was well off in the 80s/90s, just that it was easier, and it was. I couldn't afford to apply for some of the places my mom rented us, and we only had assistance for 6 months in 1986, when she got unemployment and food stamps. Going to eat shouldn't be the only option to drag oneself out of poverty, even though my husband and I both tried.
SerpentineSorceror@reddit
I feel all this. You never forget the taste of government cheese, or the food you got from foodstamps because your mom cuts hair and your dad is a mechanic but they divorced so you live with your Nann most of the time, and she works her ass off as a housecleaner for rich old folks, and your papah died when you were little so all you have is a mountain of grief, his vietnam medals on the wall, and the crushing poverty that rural Ohio doles out in spades.
We were fortunate in that his union pension and what VA benefits he had helped my Nann keep their house. But life was not easy, and things only financially improved for my mother when she married her second husband, who ended up being a wife and child beater with a wandering eye for young women. My dad's lot improved some when he met and married his third wife (my mom was his 1st). But she had a mountain of mental problems, and a wandering eye.
Honestly, if not for things like federal loans and the pell grant, I'd have signed up with my some of my friends who joined the army and went off to get shot to shit in Afghanistan and Iraq. College, Factory Work, or The Military were the only outcomes for poor kids were I grew up and I lucked out with being a smart guy.
UnwillingHummingbird@reddit
Government cheese was actually pretty good, but government peanut butter was awful. The only way my mom found to make it edible was to make it into cookies.
My fiancee didn't really know what government cheese was. She had heard the term before, but didn't know it was an actual thing. comparing our childhood experiences has been eye-opening for both of us. And my family wasn't nearly as poor as some of the people in this thread are describing.
SerpentineSorceror@reddit
To me, government cheese tasted like yellow goop that pretended it was cheese. And the government peanut butter was so friggin vile that we'd always chuck it. Aldi's was and always has been the go-to place for my family for good food that even the dirt poor could get. So there was always a jar of Aldi's brand generic PB in the house. Peanut Butter and Banana Sandwich made from folding a single slice of bread was lunch regularly.
The canned beef that came in the packages my nann always turned into Beef and Noodles, and managed to make it taste good.
lleu81@reddit
You’re talking about the 50s and 60s. By the 80s capitalism was already starting the downward decline. Yes, in the 50s and 60s a janitor could afford to support a family of four with a mortgage and car.
dcgrey@reddit
I've never heard it was "everybody" that could get by on a shoe salesman's salary. I've heard that it was possible to comfortably raise multiple kids on a single salary and even send them to college and retire someplace cheaper and contrasting it with today when it's seemingly impossible to do that without the help of intergenerational wealth.
Fulfill_me@reddit
You mentioned paper towels...I can relate to being an impoverished kid in America. Paper towels are a luxury item! Use a wash rag (haha not cloth).
There are a ton of poor American Xennials and I agree, the Millenials tend to look at the wealth of the boomers as a standard of living that many enjoyed when in reality there were plenty of impoverished boomers and GenX kids that had to climb their way out..or succumb to it entirely. I feel ya. Sucked to be a poor kid and sucks to have what feels like privileged millenials erase our experience.
AlbanyBarbiedoll@reddit
It wasn't 30 years ago - it was more like 50 or 60 years ago.
And realistically - EVERY generation has people who are poor, suffering, going without. There has NEVER been a time when everyone was fat and happy. There have always been those who lucked out and were fat and happy with less effort. But there have also ALWAYS been the kids who were skinny and underfed and did without. And there have always been parents who tried their best and still came up short.
holtyrd@reddit
I had an oddly similar path. Poverty saved by service. I’m 44 and my pension is more than any of family members have ever made. My day job pays more than the pension does. I’m seriously considering a second attempt at retirement very soon.
Yellielu@reddit
My dad didn’t buy his home until he was in his mid-40’s in 1999 and it was a struggle then. I ate reasonably well in large part due to him being a hunter and my grandmother had a massive victory garden and I still remember being hungry. We camped for vacation and that only because my dad had a union job with PTO. We certainly weren’t well off and looking back I’d say we were low middle class.
kimprobable@reddit
I kind of feel like the people who are saying "30 years ago you could do this" are thinking about the 50s, which is what their parents experienced. I remember hearing that from my dad when I was in my teens, and honestly it doesn't feel like 25+ years have passed since then.
I still hear it from my in laws, how people are just lazy because they were able to pay for college by working in the summer, which is definitely not a thing even I was able to do back when I was in college .
deltronethirty@reddit
25 years ago, working full time, I could barely afford a "reliable" car while living with my parents. Leaving the nest was a struggle, but I went to college and learned to live happily in poverty for 20 years.
thehousewright@reddit
I lived in a trailer for 10 years, it was good incentive to buy a house.
Left-Landscape-3890@reddit
I'll always member my mom putting $1 worth of gas in her car when I was a kid probably like '86. I asked her why didn't she put more in so we didn't have to come back in a day or two. She said that's all she had.
likethemovie@reddit
I remember watching my friends’ parents do the same with the under $3 gas run. My mom could never put enough together for a car, but then again, she would have been a terrible driver if she had one so it’s probably for the best. First thing I did when it was available was sign up for driver’s ed. I knew I was never going to make it out of poverty if I couldn’t drive.
25 years after I left for the military, I’m still running from poverty. It’s hard to shake and even harder to feel like you won’t fall right back into it.
sanosukecole@reddit
I have a memory of being in the driver's seat of my mom's either broken down or out of gas hatchback to steer while she pushed. I was about 4 or 5.
ijustsailedaway@reddit
I wrote a check for 27cents worth of gas at a 7-11 once. I had to go in and prepay with that nonsense.
JoeBlow509@reddit
I’m 43 and own a $500,000 house, a boat, 3 cars, along with plenty of other valuable items. I grew up in a single wide trailer in a trailer park, and lived just several cramped apartments. Didn’t live in a regular house until I was 15 when my mom and stepfather bought a home.
Capital_Barber_9219@reddit
I was born to trailer park parents in 1980. It took going to medical school to get out of poverty.
My parents believe higher education is a tool of the liberals to indoctrinate people to be gay and have abortions do they did not encourage my education. My parents are still poor and we don’t talk much.
sherahero@reddit
I didn't grow up poor but I wasn't well of. Dad died when i was little, mom was alone with a bunch of kids. Somehow she made it work and we had clothes and food. Not a lot of extras though and definitely no vacations. But she was still able to get a job without a high school diploma and make it work. She owned a home. I don't think someone with a 9th grade education would really be able to do that now.
I used grants to go to community college for free because my mom made so little. Loans and grants for my bachelor's. Mom died shortly after I finished my degree and got married. Husband's military benefits helped us get our first house. Husband and I are doing much, much better than my mom ever did with her 9th grade education (she got her GED when I was about 10).
No-Translator-4584@reddit
It’s maddening when you work your way up to owning your own home and have some money in the bank that people assume your family helped. What family?
agentkolter@reddit
When people think that "everyone" had those things back then, yes they are exaggerating and they're ignoring that fact that many, many people did not have those things growing up. And I don't think the general consensus is that "everyone" had these things 40 years ago. These things were more accessible to the middle class 40 years ago, which tends to be focused on a lot more. I agree, I don't think the middle class should be the sole basis of comparison for quality of life, but it tends to be that way.
I feel like money went further back then no matter where you were on the economic spectrum though. We never had RVs or took vacations when I was a kid, we didn't have that kind of money. We never went out to eat. My parents always bought used cars. But my dad was able to buy a house in the suburbs and support a family of 4 on a single income in the 1980s. That's unheard of these days. Someone making the same money my dad did at that time, adjusted for inflation, would definitely not be able to buy the house we had today.
Far-Slice-3821@reddit
Fifty years ago all you had to do to achieve a solid middle class lifestyle was not be a fuck up, be a white man, and not have bad luck (injured, your industry collapsed, etc).
People of color, single women, and disabled persons don't look back on mid century America as halcyon days.
yikesonbikes1230@reddit
We are out here. I was asked to leave at 18 because I was an adult. With no path, and absolutely no help. I don’t mind that because they literally didn’t have it. I completely feel your frustration in the stories we are told about how easy we had it. 💜
VaselineHabits@reddit
But were the stories we (37-50ish) had it easy or our parents? Because I don't think the stories have been "in the 80s" a minimum wage job could support a whole family. That was more of the 50s and 60s when our parents grew up that they had 1 working parent and a home parent.
By the time we were born in the late 70s/early 80s, I'd say most families had to have both parents working OR a single income struggling. At some point one income wasn't enough and I'm not sure where that started (entirely possible it was in the 70s/80s).
yikesonbikes1230@reddit
Ohhh good point! I perhaps jumped the gun here so to speak. Then are we technically the generation saying this to our parents? I personally am not, however are we just a more observant micro generation that feels the insult of both sides inadvertently?
VaselineHabits@reddit
Yeah, some talking heads like to blame "Women" for going into the workforce for the shift - but I'll bet it was by the 70s women could have their own accounts and divorce was far more common than it had been in decades.
yikesonbikes1230@reddit
I completely agree
Dudeinairport@reddit
Oh man.
I grew up pretty poor in a small town in Maine. We were just over the poverty line, so we didn't qualify for things like free school lunch, which almost made things harder. The weird thing was my dad came from an upper middle class family. He could have had the world on a platter without even working that hard. But he was a lazy fuck up and never did anything in life, other than occasionally beat someone up (including me and my brother) and cheat on my mom.
I knew that in order to get out, I was going to need a college degree. But I was a terrible student and struggled with school (I was home-schooled until 5th grade and most home lessons resulted in my mom screaming at me). So I went to a grade-less college. Then I moved myself to NYC with $2,000 and no plan. 22 years later I own a home in the Bay Area and have a great wife and kids. Still not sure how that happened.
While my dad did take out loans for my education, I had to pay them back. Here I am at 45 and realizing that while I had all kinds of emotional support from friends, I am the one that climbed my way out of poverty by the skin of my teeth.
LibertyDaughter@reddit
The only reason my parents were able to buy a house was because my dad received a large settlement from suing GE because one of their trucks tboned the car he was passenger in. Without that settlement, I’m not sure my parents would’ve ever been able to purchase a home or crawl out of the poverty cycle.
My dad’s parents were kind of well off. His mom was a bus driver and his dad retired from the gas company and got a nice pension. They owned a little bit of property. His mom died when he was in high school and his dad lost everything but his job.
My mom’s parents were poor. Her mom even went to jail for check fraud, which she committed to buy the kids clothes for school. She never really worked. Her dad had a string of odd jobs, taxi driver, DJ, juke box repairman. They never had a place with more than 2 bedrooms and it was always in the poorest area of the city.
I think people forget about the poor having always existed. 40 years ago it may have been easier for a single income household to purchase a home but you still had to have a decent job.
jocosely_living@reddit
Thank you for sharing your story and thoughts.
I grew up in poverty in subsidized housing and of food stamps. My mom hasn't helped me financially since I was 17. Dad never did. I was never able to pull myself out.
ChewieBee@reddit
Single-wide in "the jungle" represent!
YerOlAuntieFa@reddit
When I hear about how a family could afford a middle-class lifestyle on such-and-such a salary 20 years ago, and when I compare that to my own impoverished upbringing, the only conclusion I can draw is that my parents were so mediocre, so middling, that even with all the advantages and privileges handed to them, they couldn't manage to do any better for themselves and their children. I feel embarrassed for them and grateful for my own determination to kick and claw my way out.
SteveMartinique@reddit
The young kids don't understand history or economics. They live through an Instagram and internet filter.
burnednotdestroyed@reddit
Thank you for saying this! My mom has been gone for over a decade and my dad for nearly two decades; my mom did inherit my grandparents' home but had to sell it to pay my grandmother's final expenses (she died of cancer in the 80s). By the time she herself passed away and I paid for the funeral I had something like $400 left. I had a full time job in college to pay my expenses so thankfully I have minimal student loan debt, but there was no family money to help me with anything. Who was out there buying luxury items on regular, everyday salaries? My parents both made decent money for the times since they had degrees, but even that just afforded us a plain old lower-middle-class lifestyle.
zoominzacks@reddit
Not quite that poor. Like one step above until I was in my early teens. Parents had a house, but as my mom said “we still had to figure out how to feed 3 kids for a week on $2 at times”. They should have applied for some kind of assistance but I assume didn’t out of pride. Mom didn’t work until I was old enough to walk home from school/be alone for a couple hrs. Things got better then. Dad worked at a meat packing plant and would get deals on meat at Christmas time. That’s how I found out what a T-bone was lol.
Saw what my parents made when I was in my mid teens. Remember thinking “man, if I can make 50k a yr once I’m 30 I’ll be set!” They had just had their best yr ever and it was 53k combined.
Dad had a brain tumor removed in 05, then a stroke in 07. Then a series of seizures that put him in a nursing home till he died in 16. Mom couldn’t take care of him and had to get state assistance to pay for the nursing home, so when she dies the house that they’ve owned since 1972 goes to the state as sort of a “payback”. My older brother and sister have been livid about that for years. Finally snapped at them awhile back and asked which one of them was gonna volunteer to pay for an in-home nurse or to quit their job to take care of him. Fuckin crickets.
deltronethirty@reddit
I always thought we were poor because my private school friends were 1%. Mom worked overtime and spent it all to send me there.
I always had a Jansport backpack, new soccer cleats, and an NES/SNES. Didn't know how good I had it until my first day at public school.
mr_mlk@reddit
My family and I were homeless for about a year as a child and I spent most of my childhood in council housing.
Yeah, people were poor in the past, but I had a chance to go to university and not end up in horrendous amounts of debt. Looking at the situation now, and that ain't the case (at least in the UK).
Checked_Out_6@reddit
I found out the reason my parents did well, a factory worker and a receptionist, was that my dad sold crack on the side in the 80’s (apparently enough to buy a house and practically give it away because they had leave town because of the crack problem they helped create), my mom had a fat inheritance from her grandparents, and later they both had fat inheritances from their parents’ deaths.
fakesaucisse@reddit
I also grew up poor. My childhood home literally had floor-to-ceiling holes in the walls from the plaster deteriorating. The bathroom didn't have a shower, and at one point we didn't have a tub either and I bathed in a kiddie pool in the basement. We got food from the church and I had free lunch tickets at school. My clothes came from my grandmother so they didn't fit well and weren't kid clothes. "Vacation" was driving to visit family 90 minutes away and staying with them for the weekend.
It wasn't really until college that I realized that most of my peers didn't grow up like that.
I am incredibly fortunate to be where I am financially now. I didn't have any help from my parents and I still escaped poverty. Same for my husband. We appreciate everything we have.
Lioness_37@reddit
Here! I grew up dirt poor. I was out on my own penniless at 17 after my mom and stepdad got evicted from our apartment. My dad lived in a rooming house so he couldn’t help. Thankfully a friend I knew for a couple of months took me in until I was able to find a house share situation. I would have been homeless otherwise. I live a comfortable life now but I scraped and clawed for everything I’ve got.
CrittyCrit@reddit
Former poor person chiming in.
I came from trash. I was given nothing. My stubbornness and inability to let others win has fueled me in the most unhealthy ways to get to where I am now. Now I'm working on myself. There's lots in need of healing and I get grouchy when people complain about first-world problems.
ElboDelbo@reddit
This may surprise you, but the 1970s weren't all disco, the 1960s weren't all hippies, and the 1950s weren't all Beaver Cleaver.
The poor are forgotten in every generation.
Outlaw11bINF@reddit
Grew up pretty fucking poor, neither parent finished high school. I got zero help from my parents instead I got anxiety, PTSD, and bad money management skills from them.
I now earn in the top 4% of wage earners, have a college degree, an impressive career, and we own a business. We live a comfortable life, my kids will never know the struggles that come along with poverty.
I did it all myself and with the motivation and discipline that was instilled in me at the Ft Benning home for Wayward Boys.
With that being said there is some truth to homeownership being out of reach for a lot of Americans and housing cost being unaffordable. Wages have not kept pace with housing.
Wr are prepared for our kids to live at home as long as possible to save money. The days of 3-4 guys living in a flop house on making a few bucks over minimum wage is over.
drrj@reddit
I wasn’t as poor as you were, but growing up in rural NY we were not much better. Times we had nothing but a can of soup for four people, a car running on fumes. My parents were pretty open we would get all the love but no financial support going forward as adults - they had no money to give.
I get the rage, truly, but I think plenty of people know there was still tons of poverty. Nothing about society has always been fair for everyone.
Djragamuffin77@reddit
Grew up in coal country after EPA killed mining. So many of either Grew up with generational poverty or our parents were newly poor due to mines closing and no options. It was difficult to break the victim mindset and choose a different path.
numb3r5ev3n@reddit
My mom and dad got divorced when I was very young. My dad had some mental health issues and ended up seperating from my mom on the basis of what I can only call paranoia, and she sought a divorce because she needed child support on a teacher's salary. My grandparents helped out where they could. Things were really rough. My mom put herself through summer college courses until she got her Master's degree, and then she found a new partner when my sister and I were in our early teens, but things were really rough for a while.
SweetCosmicPope@reddit
So let me tell you about my parents...
For my first six years I lived with my mom and dad during their sham of a marriage, the result of me showing up unexpectedly in my mom's teenaged womb. My dad was a veteran working for the gas company, and my mom was a high school senior set to go to school at UT. My mom ended up dropping out of high school and not going to college, and instead was a stay at home mom and occasional waitress. My dad was pretty new at the gas company and was making a very meager wage. At one point he did buy a house, but we only lived there a short while before my dad couldn't make the mortgage. That was after a car and a boat had also been repossessed. Clearly, my parents were not great with money. We moved around a lot. My dad's friends all abandoned him because every few months he was asking for help moving to another place. Throw in alcoholism and my parents constantly fighting and cheating on each other. We were dirt poor and our homelife was terrible.
I was very fortunate that I had grandparents who were well-off. They had just retired and built their dream home in a beach community. The absolute best thing my parents ever did for my sister and I was to send us to live with our grandparents. My parents got divorced and my dad would live with us off and on, but for all intents and purposes I was raised by my grandparents entirely and I consider them my parents (not that I don't also consider my mom and dad my parents but you know what I mean). Thanks to them I had a decent upbringing and an idyllic childhood. If not for that, I would have been right there with you.
My mom eventually got her RN in her 40s, but is still piss-poor at managing her money and lives with my sister now. My dad actually did decently and stayed with the gas company for 25 years before he died. But he did well enough to move into management and owned a nice home with a boat, truck, and two harleys, plus several rental homes. But he had to put in many years before he could do that stuff.
Dangerous-Jury9890@reddit
Great writing!! Thanks for your service to our country. Also, kudos to you for busting your a$$ and working hard to build a good life for yourself!
Revisionist history is likely how these stories come about; my parents were able to buy a house in the mid 80s (during the “outrageous” mortgage rates) as a part time nurse (basically stay at home mom) and an hourly warehouse laborer- basically the same as an Amazon warehouse worker and a CNA in todays wages.
There’s no way to build savings; much less buy a single family home with those incomes in 2024. Plus having a family is so much more expensive now than it was even 10 years ago- we can thank greedy Wall Street investment firms for buying up the inventories after the last 2 housing crashes as well as corporations for raising prices on consumer goods so they could still make profits after inflation.
bigdickedbat@reddit
Apartment living all my life, crooked toes because new shoes were expensive. Doing alright now.
ResurgentClusterfuck@reddit
Lol I grew up poor and disability ensured that I'm gonna stay that way
It is what it is, I suppose. I'm happy, that's what counts
slywether85@reddit
Grew up poor, in a trailer in a dead western PA steel town. Moved to SC to another trailer, but it was less depressing. Never got shit but we had enough to eat. My single mother who I love dearly is still kicking and she has to clean houses at 70 to eat. Today I can't even afford a trailer 🤣 I'll be working til I die just like her. When she passes I'll get a cedar chest of nostalgia and maybe a dog or two. I sure learned how to be happy with nothing though cause none of that keeps me up at night.
sunset-727@reddit
My father was an electrical engineer and we lived in an under 1,000 square foot ranch. He also has a 2 hour commute to work.
piscian19@reddit
Not quite a section 8 kid. We had a house that was couple hundred years old where nothing worked, on the edge of the section neighborhood. My house would get robbed, but once they didn't even take anything. All my toys and clothes came from the DAV or salvation army.
Naw I never went to a restaurant as kid. I was free/reduced lunch kid, if my parents weren't home to cook there was no food. In my neighborhood if a friend came over for dinner their parents were MIA. I had some friends whos dad was truck driver and made good money sometimes so I'd go over there and eat.
I think my shittiest "we're that poor" moment is that I slept over at a friends house and woke up covered in roaches so I ended up sleeping on the coffee table.
Its weird to say, but being poor wasn't that bad, it was other stuff like my parents never being home. My mom worked like 12 hours a day and my Dad worked and played in a band. I would have been happier if we were poor and my parents were around more or not fighting when they were.
Reasonable-Wave8093@reddit
💙💙💙💙
Baked_Potato_732@reddit
Preach brother! I didn’t grow up as poor as you, but there were years that were very lean. This myth that everyone was a homeowner and comfortable on minimum wage is a joke.