Are we the last generation to use bars of soap?
Posted by Blue_Max1916@reddit | GenX | View on Reddit | 334 comments
Bars of soap in hotels , public and company restrooms etc are becoming scarce, replaced by liquid . Body wash is in every home.
I like a good bar of soap, lasts forever and in any fragrance you want. (Yes, I know plenty of GenX uses liquid too, but some of us still use bars).
I'm pretty sure after GenX, the transition to fully liquid will be complete. Younger gens don't seem to use bars at all.
Strangewhine88@reddit
Nope. They are back by popular demand as a way to reduce packaging and shipping waste.
LessIsMore74@reddit
Since it became clear that most of the recyclable plastic isn't actually recycled, definitely a draw to go for bar soaps and paper packaging.
pine-cone-sundae@reddit
There's also an environmental argument to be made, and I know millennials and GenZ who are very concerned indeed about the environment, and I see young people buying bars of soap at local stores where they can literally carry the soap bare in their hands and walk out with no packaging.
LessIsMore74@reddit
Yeah, the bar soap market has gotten much bigger. They now just use more natural/sustainable ingredients. So the younger generation is more likely to shun mass-market corporation soap, Unilever and so forth.
SignificantRecipe715@reddit
At 44yo, I still buy bar soap because less plastic waste.
handsomeape95@reddit
I'm actually coming back around for this reason. I use Dr. Squatch bar soap as a back up, but I think it just makes sense to go back to bar soap.
LonesomeBulldog@reddit
My kids made me switch to Dr Squatch to save on plastic packaging.
MotherofChonk@reddit
Millennial here. I exclusively use bar soap, even for shampoo and conditioner, bc I don't want to create unnecessary plastic waste. I know a decent number of others who do the same, both around my age and younger. The bar of soap is not dead!
theblisters@reddit
Liquid by the sinks, bar soap in the bath/shower. I spend entirely too much money on good quality bar soap.
dragonfliesloveme@reddit
What bar soaps do you like? Do you use those nice like rose scented ones? Would like to try some but have no idea where to start
analyticalchem@reddit
Dr. Bronner’s bar soap, great stuff and it is available at Target.
rumblepony247@reddit
This. Love all the flavors, but the peppermint for me is pure bliss. That soap takes my post shower feeling from 8/10 to 12/10.
I actually get it at Walmart, and my local Wally World is a bit ghetto lol
LessIsMore74@reddit
“Flavors” 🤣😄
SirStocksAlott@reddit
Love Dr. Bronner’s and wanted to love peppermint, but for some reason the essential oil of that one stays on my skin and I wind up stinging my eyes. Lavender it is for me.
Beautiful_Rhubarb@reddit
I love the Tea Tree Oil one.. it doesn't smell great (well, I love the sell of TTO) but talk about burning your eyes lol. I have a citrus one patiently waiting its turn. I actually bought all of the ones my store had but I have only really used the peppermint (2x) and the TTO and lavender.
jd_from_da_80s@reddit
I use Bonner's but liquid
analyticalchem@reddit
I use that for a homemade shampoo. Half a cup of Dr. B liquid, half a cup of water, 2-3 drops of tea tree oil, and about 1/2-1/4 teaspoon of olive oil. It won’t work for everyone, but the bald crown I had 14 years ago is now covered with layer of hair. It isn’t as thick as it was but there is something there now that wasn’t then.
theblisters@reddit
loccitane milk soap is my go to
eventualguide0@reddit
I was a L’Occitane fan forever until they started selling in China where animal testing is required by law, plus the prices went from $8.00 to $15.00 for the larger size.
theblisters@reddit
Oh dang, that's disappointing
robotfrog88@reddit
Dove and Caress have nice scents not sure of their ingredients or if they are easily found. Thinking about this caused me to remember my very frugal parents only buying Cashmere Bouquet ( awful smelling) or yellow Dial ( which I still like) It was my Mimi that introduced me to the "nicer" grocery store soaps, like Caress.
ReaperofFish@reddit
I like Natural soap, and Dr. Sqautch is convenient. Plus it smells great.
sattersnaps@reddit
I make my own soap
Blue_Max1916@reddit (OP)
We have done so. Can't figure out the right balance of shea and cocoa for it not to be too cocoa smelling.
But I leave it to the professionals now and buy from a small soap maker. Expensive but it lasts long enough and frankly I don't spend money on a lot of fancy stuff. It's worth it.
NorCalFrances@reddit
My grandmother made her own as late as the 1980's. The first step was stinky, but after that it got better. She used it for everything from laundry to baths and showers. Then again, she had a huge house with a massive, very well equipped laundry & sewing room in the basement. She simply did not like commercially made soap and felt it was worth the effort.
sattersnaps@reddit
5th grade colonial history, our class made soap and candles. I was hooked.
Tempus__Fuggit@reddit
Tyler Durden, is that you?
sweetassassin@reddit
Alt ending: His name is Robert Paulson faked his own death, and ran away with the soap recipe into the mountains of Idaho. He is a wholesale vendor to the proctor-gambles of the world; he’s a billionaire and a doomsday conspiracist.
He hides in plain site on Reddit.
B00marangTrotter@reddit
You definitely said you'd say that sir.
OldBanjoFrog@reddit
Granny Clampett?
BeltfedOne@reddit
I hate body wash soap. Irish Spring or death.
B00marangTrotter@reddit
This guy wears a thick raw wool sweater, and cuts his soap with a knife, like a man who knows how to put his lips together and blow. 😙🎶
AltCyberstudy@reddit
Shut up about my wool sweater!
heffel77@reddit
That’s so very wool of you!!
I used to laugh about getting sweaters at Xmas but now I love sweaters. They’re like a nicer hoodie!!
AltCyberstudy@reddit
I moved to Maine. I now have an old wool sweater I wear over a lightweight t-shirt hoodie, and it keeps me warm even when it's very very cold out. I was worried I'd need a big down jacket... Nope. Wool sweater. Then you put a light jacket over it to stop rain and wind, and you're toasty.
galtscrapper@reddit
Layers are ALWAYS the answer.
grunkage@reddit
This is my... SOAP KNIFE
BeltfedOne@reddit
The wool sweater is body hair at 55 Y/O.
DorianGre@reddit
Hey, don't come at me..
SaltyDogBill@reddit
I can smell that commercial
B00marangTrotter@reddit
And I sir, can smell your username.
NoeticHatTrick@reddit
When I was in elementary school, I carved a bar of soap into a sailing ship for a project about Francis Drake.
I doubt it was a remotely good little sculpture, but I remember doing it. And yes, it was probably Irish Spring.
WonderfulTraffic9502@reddit
If it was able to float, probably ivory. 😆
NoeticHatTrick@reddit
Hehe, it wasn't in water. It was one of those shoebox diorama things. But you might be right about Ivory. Who can say, 40 years on?
WonderfulTraffic9502@reddit
I did one of those solely based on Ionian style architecture. In 5th grade. Times were different. I still remember that though.
ContessaChaos@reddit
I carved a whale out of Ivory in 5th grade. :)
Boop-D-Boop@reddit
“You’ll like it too “!
Ok_Philosophy390@reddit
Ha ha! I say lever 2000 or death. I take it with me anytime I’m going to be showering away from my house!
BeltfedOne@reddit
So we are at fisticuffs???? LOL!
unluckypig@reddit
I use imperial leather soap, so I'll be standing over here in my fluffy slippers and robe, trying not to get in the way.
BeltfedOne@reddit
Are you smoking a pipe and being a fancy hipster?
Ok_Philosophy390@reddit
lol I think so! I also only use Walmart washcloths, they’re the perfect size. I hate the big thick ones.
BeltfedOne@reddit
I don't use a washcloth, so there is that...
UnicornFarts1111@reddit
You get cleaner when you put the soap on the washcloth and then use the cloth to wash, instead of just washing with the bar of soap.
BeltfedOne@reddit
I use my hands, not the bar.
DigiSmackd@reddit
Hell yeah..
You and I both just latherin' up that soap all raw and shit!
Daghain@reddit
Lever 2000 for the win!
SirStocksAlott@reddit
I still do not believe we each have 2000 parts.
Gomertaxi@reddit
Yes. Lever 2000 here, too! You’ll only take it from my cold, dead, clean hands!
President_Camacho@reddit
The stink of that soap though. It's rough.
BeltfedOne@reddit
As opposed to patchulil? I will stick with Irish Spring.
Ready-Arrival@reddit
Bar of Ivory here
annissamazing@reddit
Same. I started using it when my toddler started getting itchy from body wash and I’ve never had a reason to switch away from it. It’s cheap, effective, and has minimal packaging. Perfect.
pittipat@reddit
Recently went back to Ivory and wondering why I ever left it in the first place.
bunnybates@reddit
I'm super allergic to Irish Spring!!
YKINMKBYKIOK@reddit
Irish Spring is my soap, shampoo, and conditioner. My children cry when I tell them that.
davekva@reddit
YES! Irish Spring is the only soap for me. Body wash?? Fuck that. Then I need a loofah (had to look up how to spell that shit), and I don't want to use a loofah. If I wanted to use liquid soap to wash my body, I'd just wash everything with shampoo.
My two sons used to only use body wash, but I have converted my now 18 year old over to good old Irish Spring bar soap. I'm confident he will never go back to the dark side that is body wash.
Dahnlor@reddit
I've been using Irish Spring bar soap for so long that my brain automatically associates "clean" with its scent. Anything else smells strange or wrong.
And I remember the first time I was confronted with a shower that had no bar soap. There was only a bottle of body wash, and I was embarrassed by how much I had to use to clean myself properly. Decades later now, and I still don't understand its appeal.
BeltfedOne@reddit
Agreed! And the stupid body wash gel doesn't rinse off properly.
Brockin42@reddit
A bar of soap that smells like sandalwood.
SirStocksAlott@reddit
Sandalwood that smells like a bar of soap.
RamboGram@reddit
I went back to Irish Spring last year when I thought about how often I was buying the shower gel crap and how expensive it was!!
Primary_Highlight540@reddit
Yes! This!! Cheaper and no plastic bottle waste.
BMacklin22@reddit
Dr Bronners here.
simononandon@reddit
I like a bar, but Irish Spring is nasty. I know some gardeners who shave pieces & then hang it on certain plants to prevent rodents from coming close.
comatwin@reddit
Seeing pubic hairs on the Irish Spring that I wasn't sure were mine turned me off. Now it's Old Spice Swagger liquid FTW!
BeltfedOne@reddit
Please don't forget to overuse Axe when you are done...
comatwin@reddit
Haha! Too be honest I use Old Spice not for the smell but because of their ads. Figure all soaps are made by mega-corporations so I might as well buy the one with the funny centaur ads and ridiculous scent names.
PMMeYourTurkeys@reddit
My late father in law swore by Irish Spring to cure jock itch.
Justdonedil@reddit
I buy bars of irish spring.....then grate them all over my garden when the new crop of deer discover it. They don't like the scent.
AlbMonk@reddit
Nothing beats that Irish Spring clean. Clean as a whistle.
abstractraj@reddit
You’re like my friend who must have a bar of Irish spring and a washcloth. She is OCD though
Dan-68@reddit
For the manly scent?
peptide2@reddit
Yes but I like it tooooo
BeltfedOne@reddit
I like the scent, but it just does its job with no greasy afteryuck and rinses off nicely.
SirkutBored@reddit
I'm the same, the scent is fine but the way it rinses off fully is why I buy it in bulk. I would agree that the trend is to the liquid but I see that as so wasteful compared to the bars.
scarybottom@reddit
I use a 1t pump I found. And I try to only use 1/2 pump. But yeah- liquid soap can go fast if you are not careful. But I can usually make a 16 oz bottle last a year or more.
Stompya@reddit
Wait, which one had the commercial where they dip eyeglasses in it
Familiar-Pianist-682@reddit
I stock up on my indulgence of Pre de Provence bar soaps. I sure hope bar soap doesn’t go away.
goalmouthscramble@reddit
I actually prefer shower gels but we have plenty of bars of soap as well.
zedgrrrl@reddit
Dove
UnpeeledVeggie@reddit
Bar soap is great as long as you don’t unintentionally use lava soap.
DoctorSquibb420@reddit
I'm a millennial, but I hang out here because some of us haven't outgrown our bullshit yet, so our subreddit blows.
I feel like I was raised like a lot of you were. I was born in 90 but my parents are from the late 40s and didn't really talk to me until i was in my mid 20s. We had bar soap at home, and while I'm mostly a liquid soap user now and really only aince 2015 or ao, I always have a rough, dirty bar around for scrubbing off my general filth after work.
GenXella@reddit
I'm loyal to Dove bar soap 🧼🫧
PALOmino1701@reddit
I love opening a new one! I love the shape
GenXella@reddit
Until you drop it on your foot 😂 like a boulder. Lmao
internetonsetadd@reddit
Dove Men+Care is my current bar soap of choice for the shower. Clean Comfort fragrance has a bit of a cardamom thing going.
I do sometimes keep a big bottle of Dr. Bronner's in the shower, because it cleans like actual soap, not body wash.
curleighq@reddit
Me too! Get the big pack from Costco. Lasts years! Especially since I smoosh the sliver of the old bar into the new bar!
GenXella@reddit
If you microwave the sliver for 20 secs it's easier to smoosh! 💁🏻♀️
PALOmino1701@reddit
I tried this once and it foamed up into a giant foamy mess. Oops
curleighq@reddit
My ADHD would forget about it as soon as I step out of the shower. I just wait until it’s softened a bit then smoosh it into the Dove logo. Helps keep it from sliding.
PlaytheJay@reddit
My kids and I run with Duke Cannon bars of soap. Those are awesome and last forever.
viewering@reddit
i like fancy barsoaps. also stuff like tar soaps, african black soaps, greek olive soaps, tangerine spearmint etc.
GenX-ModTeam@reddit
All posts MUST be pertinent to GenX.
This includes non-specific ramblings, any sort of conspiracy theories, that have nothing to do with GenX, or posts about people who happen to be GenX…and that’s it.
Lvanwinkle18@reddit
Maybe. I started using bars of soap at home to reduce my plastic waste.
palmveach1972@reddit
Love my bar soup!
BehavioralSink@reddit
I gotta agree with Chuck, you gotta bring your own bars of soap when you travel.
kitterkatty@reddit
He’s got a bball on a rope. No disappearances.
kitterkatty@reddit
I just switched to Dr Bronners citrus! It’s amazing :) and we use sal suds on the floor. But yes I have ivory soap bars for my hubby lol 😈
sp1der11@reddit
Still prefer bars, has the added bonus of less waste in packaging.
HoseNeighbor@reddit
"I like a good bar of soap" cracked me up, but I get it. We use Dial (translucent yellowish) for face wash, and our kid likes having some crazy handmade bar of soap in the bathroom he uses. Keepin' it alive!
silly_goose_415@reddit
Dove girl for life.
216_412_70@reddit
I still use some sort of dove soap for men. It's grey and just smells like soap.
Optimal-Ad-7074@reddit
i'm a bar girl. but it looks like soap has gotten swept into the online competition to see who can be the most hysterically germ-conscious. i honestly saw someone on reddit go all do-lally about bar soap being the bearer of leprosy because what if someone else used it before you and it touched their body??? omg that's so disgusting i feel sick just thinking about it
i'm not making that up.
BrightBlueBauble@reddit
I live with someone who uses bar soap exclusively, and it always looks vile. I don’t want to touch anything that has visible filth or someone else’s body hairs on it. Just because it’s a bar of soap doesn’t make it less nasty.
This must be one of those upbringing things, like how some families think burping and farting at the dinner table is cute and funny, and others think it’s disgusting and uncouth. I grew up in a washcloth-using family, so no one ever rubbed the bar of soap directly on their asshole and then expected the next person to wash their face with it. I couldn’t deal with that.
davekva@reddit
But then you have a bunch of washcloths that just wiped assholes hanging up in the shower. That seems worse to me.
BrightBlueBauble@reddit
Ha! Washcloths go into the laundry after one use. And since I care for someone with disabilities, I got a washing machine and dryer with sanitizing/steam settings so I can be sure everything is clean and germ-free.
Tempus__Fuggit@reddit
Isn't soap self-cleaning?
BrightBlueBauble@reddit
Look at a bar of soap after someone washes their hands after working on a car. It’s not self-cleaning.
Tempus__Fuggit@reddit
Clearly you don't work for Rolls Royce
handsomeape95@reddit
Maybe, but it's also a pube magnet.
Tempus__Fuggit@reddit
Because science.
Optimal-Ad-7074@reddit
you woulda thunk so. but noooooooo.
Forsaken-Cat184@reddit
Yeah Friends did a bit on that.
LaLionneEcossaise@reddit
I thought of this exact scene while reading this thread! Kudos!
OptimalAd8147@reddit
Syncs with their dread of handling cash.
C'mon, we can touch things.
Optimal-Ad-7074@reddit
i always want to say 'how do you guys even function?' i mean, when i was about six my grandmother's budgie took a shit on my hand and for the rest of my stay i felt weird about using the tap i had rinsed it under. but i was six. and i grew out of it.
Individual_Taste_607@reddit
Yellow Dial. Period.
QueenShewolf@reddit
Your annoying little Gen-Y sister has something to say about this. I ALWAYS use bar soap, both in the shower and after using the bathroom. I recently have made the big mistake of buying a travel sized bottle of body wash for using the shower at my gym, and it sucks. Also, body wash doesn’t sound like it’s good for the environment, since it will just end up in a landfill.
Float_0n@reddit
Not while there are still craft fairs, although the choice may soon be limited to natural, herbal infused, handmade soap or a posh botanical body bar.
BreakfastBeerz@reddit
I have 0 bars of soap in my house
Ellen6723@reddit
Used the first bar of soap in years (outside of parents house obvi) at a hotel last week. It got me thinking… just comes in a small paper wrapper… much more eco friendly than the plastic bottles for body wash.
EdwardBliss@reddit
Probably the last generation to have teachers carve them into figures to unleash our creativity
Oceanbreeze871@reddit
I remember when we had options. Now it’s bottom shelf and two-theee brands max
bunnybates@reddit
I use Aveeno body wash myself. Bars of soap like totally gross me out to the max!
todjo929@reddit
Millennial here and I hate liquid soap in the shower, my wife thinks I'm crazy for always buying bars !
Ex-zaviera@reddit
Excellent point! Plus, you can store it in your underwear drawer and it'll scent your underwear before you even use it as a soap. Double duty for 1 low price! I only use bar soap. They have also come out with bar shampoo (which is great for flying, outside of your 3 oz limit).
People concerned about the planet will not contribute another plastic bottle to body wash (though refillable stores are a great concept).
jd_from_da_80s@reddit
Two incidents got me off of bar soap.
I went to the bathroom at a friend's house, went to grab the soap, and saw it had a hair on it. Whose hair was it? What part of the body did it come from?
A date was showering and did so without a wash cloth (I offered) Did she wash her cracks and crevices with the bar or lather up and use her hands?
Now, can I do anything if I go to the bathroom elsewhere and they have bar soap? No and that sucks but where I can control it I use liquid.
wiglwagl@reddit
80% of body wash goes straight down the drain. It never occurred to me that the youngins don’t use bars of soap
Kayamonkey@reddit
I haven’t used bar soap since I was in high school in 1990. As soon as I had roommates (college), I switched to shower gel and have never gone back, so idk! 🤷♀️
OMGLeatherworks@reddit
Probably, because it's cheaper for manufacturers to make, pack, and ship. Plus, all the marketing opportunities - 'this opaque bottle contains MAGIC'!! No, we're not telling you it's just the same bar of soap, scaled down with extra water.
sergeantorourke@reddit
I think bars out sell liquid and always will. I use Kirk’s. The simplest soap you can buy.
DontTakePeopleSrsly@reddit
I’m tied going back to soap, but after two months my shower door was caked with soap scum & I rinse all 4 sides before exiting the shower every time.
I just don’t have time for that nonsense.
TheBarbarian88@reddit
“Did ya wash ya ass today?” Always good to have a bar of soap on hand to cleanse the back door.
stonedshannanigans@reddit
I feel like I've turned into my grandmother, but why would I pay for water?! Bars por vida!
pacododo@reddit
My family all uses bar soap but I admit it's my choice. We also use bar shampoo and conditioner. Part of moms anti-plastic campaign!! 😁
Knight_thrasher@reddit
I think I am the only one that prefers a bar over body wash
Affectionate-Map2583@reddit
I use bars of soap in the shower. They're cheaper and last longer. I'd think the younger generations would be all for it since there is no plastic waste with bars like you get with body wash. I do use liquid soap for washing hands since it's so much easier to just pump some into your hands and wash.
justmisspellit@reddit
Yeh. The kids are buying shampoo bars now cuz less plastic waste
SirStocksAlott@reddit
Ok, hear me out…a body wash dehydrator!
A compact, countertop device (similar to a food dehydrator or air fryer) that gently removes water from body wash, transforming it into a bar soap in hours instead of days.
Simply fill the bar soap mold with your favorite body wash, place in the dehydrator, and 2-4 hours later, your favorite body wash is now a bar of soap!
It’s the invention that no one asked for or wanted!
scarybottom@reddit
It's funny- I won't use bar soap- but I have become a full convert to bar shampoo. Only a specific brand. but yeah- maybe if they start making soap I'll try bars again- haha.
Mango1250@reddit
Me too. Love the shampoo & conditioner bars but don’t love bars of soap. Maybe it’s the shared body soap that turns me off…everyone would have to have their own lol
ArmsReach@reddit
Oh shit. Had no idea about bar shamp. I had dandruff one day back in highschool and switched to Head & Shoulders. That was 30+ years ago. I have no idea if I actually still have dandruff.
Bar soap over liquid body soap, but liquid hand soap over bar soap at the sink.
thiscantbeitagain@reddit
Oh……oh dear. Please get some good shampoo if only to treat yourself right for a month or so 😂😂
meekonesfade@reddit
Same!
Raythecatass@reddit
I never feel clean with body washes. Bar soap all the way.
AshDenver@reddit
Bar soap all the time. I pack two different bars - face only, body - when I travel. Sensitive skin.
orangeobsessive@reddit
We have a few too many skin sensitivities at our house. Bar soap has been a staple, specifically the Kirkland brand natural bar soap. Everyone in our house can tolerate it, and we all have different issues.
NimrodBusiness@reddit
I actually switched to body wash for years, then had a gf who was allergic to my body wash because it was basically detergent. I did some reading and went back to soap.
Mmmmmmm_Bacon@reddit
Ngl, just last week I bought my very first bottle of body wash. Yep. I know. My days of bars of soap are behind me. I’m now liking the liquid body wash. I mean it makes sense.
tempo1139@reddit
considering 'soap' actually bonds with particles allowing them to be more easily removed, it's also more effective than many body-washes etc that are in fact not 'soap'.
ihatepickingnames_@reddit
Body wash and a loofah for me. No more trying to scrap off hair wrapped around a bar of soap.
ms_flibble@reddit
Same for me, the thought of everyone's dirty paws on the soap bar makes my skin crawl.
BrightBlueBauble@reddit
Yuck. Not only that, but regular bar soap is too harsh for dry, aging skin (bar soap users: your tight-feeling, squeaky skin after a shower isn’t clean—it’s stripped of lipids and covered in soap residue). It also makes much more mess—nasty goo in the soap dish even if you have a slotted stand under the bar, and soap scum on the sink, tub, and shower.
I only use (refillable) liquid soap, body wash, and facial cleaners, but the boomer I live with uses bar soap. Their sink looks disgusting within two days of cleaning and mine is always sparkling.
SirStocksAlott@reddit
Calgon, take me away!
sungodly@reddit
And don't even get me started on soap scum in the shower. Something that hard to get off surfaces can't be good for you.
Beautiful_Rhubarb@reddit
There's an entire contingent of cottage industry novelty/luxury bars, I don't think those are going away but from reading reviews I would guess most of them are a lot younger than me, lol. I would be really sad if dr bronners went away. I'm pretty sure the big ones like dove and irish spring are good for a while. I used liquid for years but i hated using it; I just hated dove and others dried my skin out. i have a whole bunch I bought from etsy and I also suspect the dr squatch stuff is squarely aimed at millennials. As for public spaces it's just easier/more sanitary for them to use liquid.
tkdjoe1966@reddit
Probably. I haven't bought one in a very long time. 10+ years.
YouKleptoHippieFreak@reddit
Bar soap is so much better! It lasts longer, it is often more environmentally friendly (doesn't come encased in plastic, with plastic pumps and parts), and doesn't gunk up pipes like liquid soap does. I'm a die hard bar soap person.
RaeBethIsMyName@reddit
There is a trend to bring back bar soap as eco-friendly, economical and low waste. Bar soap is coming back.
prepressexdude@reddit
Mando is the way to go. Pricey but it works!
curleighq@reddit
Every time I shower I use bar soap to wash tits, pits, holes, and soles. I only use body wash if I got sweaty/dirty, applied sunblock/bugspray, or I just feel like I need to wash my whole body.
raletti@reddit
Hate body wash. Bar soap all the way.
LostBetsRed@reddit
"Thoughts raced through his mind. Did she really want him? What had he done to deserve such a bounty? Did God exist? Who invented liquid soap and why?". ~If you know you know.
DMCDKNF@reddit
We have only used unscented Crystal Glycerine bar soap since the 70s. I think this may be a local SF Bay Area brand. It has an excellent balance of lather, emolliency, rinseability, durability, and after feel. We buy it by the case.
MazW@reddit
The expensive soap I like to use come in two kinds:
The kind that melts in summer and makes a mess
The kind that lasts a year and turns into sharp little shards
Now I put the second type of expensive soap in my underwear drawer because it smells nice, and use liquid soap to wash my hands.
Tex_Arizona@reddit
Bar soap is gross. I quit using that stuff years ago.
forluvoflemons@reddit
Olay use to sell soap bars, that absolutely left my skin so soft!
CulturedGentleman921@reddit
Strong enough for a man
But made for a woman
Manly, yes, but i like it too!
Cummy-Bear-Magic@reddit
I bought six bars of soap from an Indigenous craftsman in June ‘22. I am on my fourth bar now and I shower every day. Best $20 I ever spent.
ih8javert@reddit
Our whole family used that same bar of soap. The same bar of soap my family used on their crotch was the same one i used for my face. Didn’t even think about that till my wife mentioned it when she bought me the loofah that i still don’t use. I’m the only one in the house that uses bar soap. It’s dial and dove men’s soap all the way.
HappyAsianCat@reddit
r/soapmaking checking in.
I'm GenX but I know lots of young people still using bars and even making them. ;3
doa70@reddit
I've always reached for Dial, grew up with Ivory bars. I hate liquid soap, but my wife insists on it at the sinks.
zoeyversustheraccoon@reddit
I use bar soap at home. I used to hate the idea of liquid soap in hotels until I heard a really good podcast about how much soap hotels used to put into landfills back in the day. Think about it. You used it once or twice and then they had to throw it away and introduce new bar soap and more packaging. Now I mind less even though I still prefer the bars. That liquid stuff feels like it never washes off.
PeterVonwolfentazer@reddit
You’re buying water with some soap in it. Skip the water and single use plastics and just buy the bar.
kalelopaka@reddit
I still use bar soap for the shower, now I do use liquid soap for handwashing. Never feel clean when I have tried body wash, like it leaves a residue. Even the body wash version of my bar soap doesn’t feel as clean.
wwaxwork@reddit
Most of the world doesn't have the hard water problems the US does. Bar soap is not going anywhere.
AngryCustomerService@reddit
Bar of soap in a pocket like soap saver scrubby thing.
Shiiiiiiiingle@reddit
I hate bar soap. It leaves a waxy residue on the walls in the shower/bath. My family refused to clean it so I always had to put on chemicals and scrape it off.
DragYouDownToHell@reddit
Body wash is NOT in every home. I pack bars for travel as well. I'm not using some random liquid some hotel sticks on the shower wall. Who the fuck knows what someone put in there.
robotfrog88@reddit
Was staying away from home recently, went to the shop and asked for bar soap when I couldn't find it. The young cashier had no idea what I was asking for.
Heathster249@reddit
No, I don’t. I‘ve switched to more environmentally friendly ingredients because we’re on septic and my young boys have sensitive skin. My husband could was with sandpaper and wouldn’t notice or care, but I’ve also switched out his products. He’ll even use mine if his aren’t within easy reach - and no, he’s never smelled like flowers or coconut.
TXTarheel@reddit
My 13 year old loves bar soap. Dr. Squatch brand specifically. I think it is because there are themes for things he likes - right now he is using some Jurassic Park themed soap.
Barbarossa7070@reddit
I liked Old Spice’s bar soap but then they discontinued it apparently.
OnionTruck@reddit
I use liquid soap for my sinks but bar soap in the shower.
the_spinetingler@reddit
I read "sinks" as "kinks"
endlesssearch482@reddit
Well, I admit it, I converted to doc bronners years ago. I can dilute it 32:1 and put it in a small bottle and it lasts forever. A one quart bottle diluted will last 18 months.
SomeDudeNamedRik@reddit
You’re not fully clean until your ZEST clean!
the_spinetingler@reddit
Zest-fully
unluckypig@reddit
I heard a thing about bar soap being better than liquid soap.
Something to do with the fat molecules or something, but bar soap breaks the casing of bacteria whilst liquid soap doesn't. Means you're killing germs, not just giving them a bath.
FlyBuy3@reddit
Mysore Sandalwood bar soap or die
KissMyPooh@reddit
Have tried Duke Cannon? The bars are huge.
the_spinetingler@reddit
I'm a bar man. Irish Spring, DIal, Dove, Lifebuoy, Ivory
Truck_Ghost@reddit
Husband is 38, uses dove body soap bar
boringcranberry@reddit
I actually use two bars! The first is used to get the grime off, the second is used to exfoliate and has a lovely peppermint smell. bliss used to have a bar that made your skin feel so cool and tingly in the hot shower. I loved it but, like many things I loved, it's discontinued.
U_wind_sprint@reddit
Also, they're selling you on the plastic bottle the body wash comes in. Barred soap lasts longer and costs less thanks to the paper box 📦
marauderingman@reddit
Bar soap results in a lot of waste for hotels and motels. All those used-once bars accumulate and have to go somewhere. This isn't a problem in peoples homes because we use the bar all the way.
Switching to liquids means they don't have to deal with leftover soap bars.
U_wind_sprint@reddit
Body wash is a scam. It's watered down. Barred soap 💯 %
gomper@reddit
the body wash seems so incredibly wasteful to me. and all the plastic containers. so unneccessary. but I use it too now since my whole family thinks bar soap is "gross"
Gigi_Gigi_1975@reddit
My daughter is Gen Z and has ditched the liquid soap for the bar. She now only buys French soap.
Desperate-Rip-2770@reddit
I think Dr Squatch might be making bar soap trendy again? I'm seeing other similar brands and just saw where that one came out with one for the ladies too.
My son started us on bodywash - he said it was gross to use a bar of soap, especially if other people had touched it.
Then, my husband was into it. I don't really care - soap is soap.
Now they're both using bougie bar soap. Dr Squatch for my husband because he likes the scents - some goat's milk stuff for our son just because it smelled really good too.
I use whatever doesn't make my skin itch - just pulled out an old bar of ivory that might be like 20 years old.
jackalopeswild@reddit
Hotel bar soap is actually a huge wasted product. A small %age of it gets used, the rest gets tossed.
cptfarmer@reddit
I travel for work alot. I use one of those old-timey bar soap cases. I started using it when TSA was being a-holes about liquids and haven’t gone back. My pride and joy inside the case is a bar shampoo.
trinaryouroboros@reddit
I still don't entirely understand the germaphobia around it. Oh no, soap has germs. You put soap on you, and rinse it off - where do the germs go anyway?
10MileHike@reddit
i use liquid in summer, bar in winter.
kinda love some exotic bar soap like ayurvedic Chandrika green soap bars, reminds me of bookstore and health food store smells from the 1970s. Lol
77tassells@reddit
Bars of soap are far superior.
MarshmallowSoul@reddit
I predict bar soaps making a comeback with younger people. Those concerned about reducing plastic waste will appreciate that soap bars wrapped in paper are better for the environment.
keirmeister@reddit
I alternate, but a soap bar is my preference. I especially like the exfoliating stuff. The Pré de Province Lemongrass is my absolute FAVORITE! It's not a manly soap and I don't care!
Purocuyu@reddit
I went the whole other way. If you can bake a cake, you can probably make your own soap bars. What scent? Anything you want.
Mandarin is my favorite. I couldn't buy soap like that if I wanted to. One easy afternoon and I've got enough soap for like a year
Betty_beerslinger@reddit
I work for a tile and stone restoration company and bar soap will royally fuck your tile and grout up. The paraffin builds up and mold feeds off it. All of this will cause mold to thrive and your grout and caulk to deteriorate.
I’m a bar soap user but in our tile shower I only use body wash. It makes me sad.
marauderingman@reddit
Fascinating insight! You're suggesting eliminating bar soap can reduce or eliminate mold in the bathtub/shower. Or, to switch to paraffin-free bar soap (if such a thing exists).
Its_The_Water360@reddit
This is a surprise to me. Ive got two teenagers and we have always used bar soap. We got liquid by the sink but it rarely gets used. Seems like you get a lot more soap for the money with bar soap. Do we need another item packaged in plastic waste?
kkbobomb@reddit
You rarely use the soap at your sink? How do you wash your hands after using the toilet?
Sloth_grl@reddit
We use zest.
panic_bread@reddit
I sure hope not. I hate liquid soap.
analyticalchem@reddit
Dr. Bronner’s castile bar soap is amazing. Great lather, nice scents, but it can’t sit in water or turns to gel. Other than the gelling the stuff is fantastic.
SilverAgeSurfer@reddit
My wife and I love TJ Maxx for awesome bars of soap and I always have a 6er of Irish spring in the lower bathroom sink drawer👍
Conscious-Magazine50@reddit
I'm going back to bars for everything after thinking about the climate impact of all the plastic for liquid.
Justdonedil@reddit
I was one of the first to use liquid. I seem to be allergic to whatever agent is used to make it a bar.
typhoidmarry@reddit
I’ve got 6 bars of Dove sitting in my linen closet, been there at least 5 years.
I’m on the body wash train.
Ff-9459@reddit
No. The hygiene sub is full of young people using bar soap. I haven’t used it in several decades. I find it very unhygienic and it leaves nasty soap scum everywhere.
FunTooter@reddit
I can’t stand bar soap and haven’t been using them since alternatives became available.
CreativeMusic5121@reddit
Bar soap gives me the ick.
AlbMonk@reddit
My Gen Z kids all use bars of soap in the shower because that's all that Mom and Dad put in there.
jeanofalltrades13@reddit
Kirk's Castile Original since they changed the Pear's formula in the oughts. Body wash just feels slimy on my skin after rinsing.
geetarboy33@reddit
My daughter picks me up bar soap from the store she works at, Buff City Soap, and it’s great. I hadn’t used a bar of soap in 20 years before she started working there.
RandomHuman5432@reddit
51 here. I made the switch from bars to body wash last summer. My wife and I booked a room at the oldest hotel in Arizona. Our room happened to have a whirlpool tub. I wanted to try it out, but there was no bar soap, so my wife told me to use a washcloth and body wash. I was absolutely astounded at the amount of dead skin flakes that came off my body. There was a ring around the tub. I switched to a loofah sponge and body wash, and I haven’t looked back. I’ve also noticed that the interior of my car isn’t as dusty since a lot of that dust is actually dead skin flakes.
One-Earth9294@reddit
I've noticed this at Walmart; the actual bars of soap seem to be an ever-dwindling space on the shelf.
NorCalFrances@reddit
Bigger shelf space = better sales.
One-Earth9294@reddit
Also they're put on the bottom 2 shelves now. Middle shelves are all body wash goop now.
dragonfliesloveme@reddit
And then you have to buy a scrubby scrunchie thing which is made from plastic which is made from petroleum. Big Oil has us snookered at every turn
NorCalFrances@reddit
Higher profit items go where they're most likely to be grabbed. Companies pay for that placement.
aunt_cranky@reddit
FWIW I tend to use really boring French milled soap because it rinses off more thoroughly.
I tend to have my arm in one of my aquariums at least a couple times a week. Body lotion, anything with fragrance that sits on my skin is bad for fishies.
So yeah, arms don’t get fancy soap or lotion during the day.
Surefinewhatevermk@reddit
This trend of body wash pumps in hotel showers does not please me. I travel with mybar of Dial soap in a ziplock.
WonderfulTraffic9502@reddit
I take mini bars of soap in ziplocs too. I don’t like anything that “communal”.
achillea4@reddit
From an environmental perspective, I thought the trend was going the other way - eliminating plastic, not transporting water, non toxic ingredients. I've transitioned to shampoo bars and natural soap instead of shower gel.
moonflower311@reddit
My kids don’t mind soap (which I use) because they’re environmentally conscious. Depending on how bad the news on microplastics ends up being I could see soap making a resurgence.
dperiod@reddit
I don’t believe so. There are a number of “premium” soap makers in the market targeting young people - duke cannon, Squatch, Bearsville all come quickly to mind….they’re not targeting the gym goers, which is who I think the liquid soap makers are going for with their sport fresh scents and such. Just different targets.
Scarlett_Texas_Girl@reddit
Weird. I hadn't really thought about soap.
I used bars for years (Kiss My Face) until the company stopped making it. Then I switched to Native liquid. I have sensitive skin, limits what I can use. I use Dr Bronner's sometimes too but their bars disolve super fast if they get wet. I'd rather use their liquid soap.
My kids (mostly teens and 20s, plus my older kids partners. I've always had the house everyone congrgates at) are pretty evenly split between bars and liquid.
I wouldn't say bar soap is dead. There are sooooo many fancy bar soaps now. Lots of higher end/ all natural bar soaps too.
regeya@reddit
Maybe. I switched back to just using bars of soap because, if I'm being honest, I didn't give it a lot of thought other than that I realized I was going through a lot of shampoo by using that as my one soap.
EastYouth1410@reddit
Same could be said for powdered laundry detergent. Way better in my opinion.
Fun-Citron9462@reddit
Only my oldest daughter uses liquid soap..and just because it’s easier in a dorm. The rest of us use bar soap.
otravez5150@reddit
I've just discovered Japanese bar shampoo and conditioner. Totally dig it too.
EastYouth1410@reddit
Check out J.R. Liggett shampoo bars. I've been using them for twenty years. Amazing!
ObviousChatBot@reddit
Just ordered Ivory on Amazon. Also keep some Bath & Body Works bars around.
Commercial_Wind8212@reddit
Dr Bronner's is good stuff
dukesinatra@reddit
Gonna look this up because the trash they sell in stores now lasts all of a few days. My wife replaced a bar of soap in the shower on Sunday, and as of Tuesday morning, it was half gone. I swear they make it hollow now.
Just_me5698@reddit
If it costs $40 a bar the young ones will use it! lol
Buzz_Osborne@reddit
Irish Spring since I was a wee lad
SJExit4@reddit
I use both in the shower. Unscented bar soap first for a deep clean in all the nooks and crannies.
Scented body wash after, so I smell nice. I'll skip the body wash if I'm going somewhere where the scent may be an issue - like hiking since it can attract bees and bugs.
Jefwho@reddit
I couldn’t find Lever 2000 soap bars at my local stores so I ordered like 60 bars from Target.com (to qualify for the free shipping). Wife thinks I’m crazy.
Fartina69@reddit
Fuck that body wash shit.
gardenflower180@reddit
I got into minimalism & zero waste, so I prefer bar soaps and I have some bar shampoo & conditioner, along with some traditional products in plastic bottles.
killroy1971@reddit
There are a number of artisanal bars of soap out there. More expensive that the old bars of soap, and sometimes more expensive than body wash, but there is a market for them.
Commercial_Wind8212@reddit
no, bar soap is popular. maybe not so much on public places
Coffey2828@reddit
I’m trying to go back to bar soap because it’s environmentally better but it’s hard.
GenXrules69@reddit
I have introduced my teen boys to the way of the bar. They have converted. My work is now done...for today.
SV650rider@reddit
I like bar soap, b/c it takes only one hand to use it, as opposed to the number of hands required to hold and open a bottle.
Designer-Mirror-7995@reddit
Since it's all gotten so ridiculously expensive (especially the brand that best moisturizes my own skin), it 'feels' like you get more value with liquid soap. That's why I switched. I do miss bar soap though.
UnitedFederationOfFU@reddit
I'm pretty sure we are. My adult kids have always called it "old people soap"
A_StarshipTrooper@reddit
Switched to disinfectant bar soap during the pandemic, never went back.
GenXrules69@reddit
Viva le Bar!!!
SpaceAdventures3D@reddit
Bar soap is everywhere. It's at grocery stores and farmers markets. There's been a boom in small soap companies producing bar soap. I unfortunately developed problems with dry skin, and skin irritation. I've tried all sorts of bar soaps, and liquid soaps to find what I can comfortably use. There's a couple of brands of all natural liquid soap that I can use without irritation. It does use more plastic. But using bar soap for a shower, or handwashing, required me using moisturizer after the fact - which also came in plastic packaging.
AltCyberstudy@reddit
Irish Spring for the average shower, Dr BronersTea Tree Castile liquid for when I need the nuclear option or I'm scrubbing the shower walls..
Dr Broners unscented liquid for the dogs.
NoeticHatTrick@reddit
I don't know. Once I discovered those netball things (pouf?) a few years ago, to use with gel, I hope I never have to go back. They just do a far better job for me than a bar of soap and washrag.
Rhiannon8404@reddit
I have a friend who makes awesome bar soap in lots of scents (or none if that's what you want), so that's what I use. The only time I have body wash is if someone gives me some.
I do have liquid soap at the sink for hand washing.
sweetassassin@reddit
Sebamed bars!!! fuck the world!!!!
kermiemylove@reddit
I’m gen x, only use bar soap and my kids prefer bar soap too. So we have hope with gen z!
emi_delaguerra@reddit
It's circling back around, with bar shampoo and conditioners becoming popular. They don't require plastic and are cheaper to ship & buy. This might be mostly the skin care girlies for now, but they're coming back! Not Irish Spring or Dial, but fancy ones.
random-khajit@reddit
Liquid soap makes more sense in public places because germs can live on bar soap. Medical facilities don't use bar soap for that reason. Also the waste from those little hotel soaps is stupid if you don't take it home with you or they don't send it to recycling.
SouthOrlandoFather@reddit
We are last generation to eat a hairy 🐱
dontbeajoiner@reddit
I never used bar soap growing up.
foreskinfive@reddit
Dial gold bar, yo.
xBlueAutumnx@reddit
Millennial here. I still use dial soap bars.
Melodic-You1896@reddit
Nope. I like the fancy triple milled soap bars.
FurryFreeloader@reddit
I prefer Dove bar soap.
SXTY82@reddit
I'm a bar guy. Even expensive bars are cheeper than body washes.
Reasonable-Proof2299@reddit
Body wash
TheSwedishEagle@reddit
I don’t use bars of soap
Bruin9098@reddit
Bar soap > body wash
handsomeape95@reddit
I told you not to use lifebuoy.
Milksmither@reddit
No lol
Never been to a fair or festival? There's half a dozen handmade soap sellers at any I go to.
philly-buck@reddit
I raised a bar soap kid.
WillowFreak@reddit
I use body wash for most of my body, but I have a bar of special soap for armpits and under my boobs.
I also prefer liquid soap in the kitchen, seems cleaner when I'm cooking.
devadog@reddit
If bars of soap were a new invention folks would be breaking down the door
SokkaHaikuBot@reddit
^Sokka-Haiku ^by ^devadog:
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oregon_coastal@reddit
Ivory - ride or die!
pikachu0929@reddit
I absolutely love the gold Dial soap. If you want to get fancy, you can get Vitabath soap in a bar and the Spring Green scent is the bomb.
NorCalFrances@reddit
I'm surprised, as liquid soaps are so much worse for the environment. They take up more room and weigh more, which requires more carbon fuel to transport & thus more emissions. Plus, it's soooo much easier to impart shrinkflation with them either by shrinking the bottle or simply adding filler.
Recon_Figure@reddit
Probably, but it does depend on what you grow up with. My sons probably won't be bodywash when they start bathing themselves unless they request it.
I wouldn't want to use a bar in a public restroom, though.
Hotel bar soap is usually small and crappy, and I assume the body wash they replace it with will probably end up being watered down and cheap. I will probably end up bringing a bar to sacrifice on vacation by leaving it there, as transporting a wet bar gets nasty.
j_grouchy@reddit
Hate the body washes. Half of it ends up going down the drain before it even hits my body.
B00marangTrotter@reddit
If I've learned anything in this world stupid shit just loves to come back and make quick money from morons.
Which means, Soap On A Rope is due for a comeback. The key is not just the nostalgia but a gimmick sent name that seems both sexy and innuendo. Rope Burning Love type stuff.
🧼➰
Survive1014@reddit
Body wash soap scum is so much easier to clean off the shower walls though....
chicagotodetroit@reddit
Ivory for the win!
millersixteenth@reddit
My local supermarket bar soap is going the way of beer. Used to be mostly big breweries and a handful of imports and craft beer, now the craft brewery section is 2x the big boys.
Where it used to be a large section of big names and a few bars to the side for designer soaps, now the selection of $5 bars of soap in whatever scent you desire is huge.
Monkeyboogaloo@reddit
Not at all. There is a move back to soap bars, even for hair, as people move away from plastics.
ShowSame1659@reddit
Born in '88 and I do! Hate liquid soap, bars smell better (put them in my closet next to my bed sheets) and last way longer.
velvet42@reddit
I'm a fan of liquid soap, personally, but I don't think it's that bar soap is ending. Maybe not as many people are picking up bars of Dial or Zest, but I've seen a small explosion of smaller batch, specialty type bar soap. Dr Squatch someone already mentioned, it's one of the bigger brands, but there are others like Zum that have their own little displays in our grocery store, too
scarybottom@reddit
I stopped using bar soap almost the second I left home for college at 17. It dries my skin out so much. But to each their own. No matter what, I live in a desert- I use lotion after, regardless. Bar soap is cheaper. But meh- I like my oil based cleansers, less drying.
TopspinLob@reddit
My wife (Borat voice) banned bar soap years ago because she said they create more soap scum and soap deposits in the shower.
However, she got religion on single use plastics over the past couple years and now we're back to bar soap over body wash.
I'm a happy guy
TheSpatulaOfLove@reddit
I prefer bar soap by a long shot.
OldBanjoFrog@reddit
I still use bars of soap. So does the entire household including my 8 year old.
Superb_Ant_3741@reddit
Maybe not the last to use bar soap but likely the last to use washcloths
natedogjulian@reddit
My kids all use bar soap. Don’t think we’re special. We’re not.
TeaGlittering1026@reddit
I love a good handcrafted bar of soap. I buy mine from a relatively local soap maker. I was also getting shampoo bars from them but menopause has caused some skin sensitivity and I can't use them anymore. And my kids hate it when I give them bar soap.
digdugnate@reddit
you use soap?
Feeling-Ad-2490@reddit
I work on the road. Hotel soap bars are sliver thin these days. And what you don't use is recycled into new soap bars.
Blue_Max1916@reddit (OP)
Ew, what? For other people to use?
Now I need the full story...what kind of hotels, what country are we talking, how do you know this happens, is there new packaging?
Feeling-Ad-2490@reddit
https://youtu.be/6qJV34pcOaw?si=CihDsHxf-A6jZ-i_
mrekted@reddit
They're melted down, sanitized, and re-used. From what I know, the resulting product is largely donated to charity/developing nations.
There's really nothing gross about it once it's reprocessed.. it's very unlikely that any biological contaminates would be able to survive the process.
Blue_Max1916@reddit (OP)
Ok, I had a different picture in my head. Like where you watch the restaurant managers combining the half empty ketchup bottles (this I'm ok with)
gulogulo1970@reddit
Love my Ivory bar soap.
dfwtexn@reddit
I'm in a cold war with P&G to keep Coast. It's not going well, honestly. The bars these days are not much bigger than hotel freebies.
Kershiser22@reddit
I stayed 3 nights in a hotel recently. The body wash dispenser was empty the first morning I took a shower. And they never refilled it during my stay.
I hate body wash.
NiteGriffon@reddit
I don’t know, Dr Squatch is really popular
Tempus__Fuggit@reddit
Ivory's still 99.something% pure (although they also have impure soap now as well for some reason). I carry a bar (cake?) along with a roll of TP, just in case...
BrickTilt@reddit
Good point. I have seen Bars making a bit of a hipster comeback on IG; super expensive ones.
Blue_Max1916@reddit (OP)
Hm, now I need to commission a research study.
SumoHeadbutt@reddit
I still use bars of soap.
Liquid soap dries my hands
Judgy-Introvert@reddit
I never use body wash or liquid facial cleansers. They dry out my skin terribly. I always find bar soaps at farmers markets that are so much better for my skin. A lot of people I know who are my age use body wash. Our daughter (34) uses body wash and our son (32) prefers bar soap.
Can-you-read-my-mind@reddit
Funny, I was thinking about this the other day. I’m an xennial 1983, but yeah I think we are!
tdawg-1551@reddit
I use an unscented bar and have for years.
Haunting-Prior-NaN@reddit
Pretty partial to soap bars, back in the day I even used them as shampoos. It was glorious having only to cary a bar for a full cleanup.
dbrmn73@reddit
I still use bars too.