Looking for recommendations on a LOUD handheld Marine VHF radio, please.
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As the topic says, we are looking for recommendations on a LOUD (as in the internal speaker) handheld Marine VHF radio, please.
It's time to replace our radios for race committee use. We have a kit of Standard Horizon HX-210s and their speakers just don't have the umph when conditions are noisy re: motors running, sails flogging, raining, etc. Standard Horizon, Icom, and other quality brands are what I'm looking for - no Cobras, Unidens, etc. please. Waterproof and floating are required features.
Annoyingly, many makers don't publish the speaker output power in their specs for all their radios. So, I'm asking for folks with practical experience. I'll assume that if it isn't published it's low output power.
WX reception is a nice feature of course. I'd like to hear about any other features folks have found helpful or necessary for safety.
We are on an inland waterway but have commercial traffic, so we do talk to tow boat captains too.
Thanks!
SVAuspicious@reddit
u/lowflash,
I have been a radio guy for over fifty years, longer than I've been sailing - only forty five years. *grin* Duration is of course o guarantee of expertise.
Assumptions: race committee is on club members boat and the committee moves around from one race to the next. The club buys the radios.
For club radios you want all the handhelds to be the same for charging and warranty and service.
Your options are loud radios (hard to find that are really loud), speaker mics (closer to one's ear), or Bluetooth headsets. There is another option I'll get to in a minute.
For handhelds I'd go the speaker mic route. Bluetooth will be better but there are hygiene issues that are difficult to manage.
I have a predisposition toward Icom radios with no real basis. Standard Horizon makes good stuff and in a lot of areas they are ahead of the competition.
Here is what I would do. I'd put a fixed marine VHF radio that supports wireless remote handsets in a Pelican case with a small battery, battery charger, and a plug for 12VDC from your host boat. Get a powered Motorola commercial speaker and wire that in (most marine VHF radios have a jack so this is easy). Everyone within three boat lengths will be able to hear. If it works on a FedEx truck in a hail storm it will work for you. The remote handsets avoid any feedback issues and keep people from falling over each other to reach the fixed mic. You'll still want a few handhelds for mark boats.
Putting this all together is pretty straightforward. If it seems intimidating reach out to a local ham radio kit and tell them you want help with a go-kit. They'll probably get all excited and do it for you. Take them for a boat ride. You may learn something.
Holler if you want more detail. I'm happy to help.
lowflash@reddit (OP)
This is a fantastic reply. Thank you!
We have a fixed VHF system in our main RC boat with a decent antenna and speaker system. It's the handhelds that I'm investigating. We have some Standard Horizon HX210 radios and after getting caught in a storm on the water we found the HX-210 speakers weren't loud enough to be heard over wind driven rain. I have to think that a feature of higher end models is more powerful amplification and more efficient speakers. I've thought about wearing a headset driven by the 1/8" audio jack on them. That would be cumbersome I think. The speaker mics might be in the way on a mark boat when handling marks and their anchors.
I really like the idea of a 12v powered speaker. That gives me the idea of perhaps putting a 12v outdoor rated speaker with a 1/8" jack fabricated to it to feed it from a handheld's output.
I'm putting together some Pelican cases with RC gear, radios, hand bearing compasses, anemometers, wind sticks, pads, pens etc. as go boxes to keep each mark boats gear organized and together, so we are on the same page there.
As a side note I have my radio license so I know hams would LOVE to solve this problem. Great tip!
Again, thank you for such a well thought out and creative solution
SVAuspicious@reddit
u/lowflash,
I follow you. This is why I label my assumptions. Corrected to understand RC boat is set and you're focused on mark boats. Roger that you have familiarity and experience with Pelican cases for go-kits and you're licensed.
I'm very fond of the Motorola powered speakers but there are alternatives. I see them in public safety (police, fire, EMS, tow) and commercial duty. I have one that has outlasted two personal trucks and is nearly forty years old and works like a champ. The amplifier is linear so the sound is good. You adjust volume with the volume control on the radio so there is no training. The beefy speakers are here. The waterproof MLS-200 is about $70US. I did a quick look for detailed documentation without luck. If I recall, the speaker cone is plastic so should take a direct hit from a wave and just shrug off spray. A local commercial radio shop my be able to help you with documentation or you can reach out to Motorola directly. You may found power over audio on some speakers but Motorola will have a combiner.
You might want to add a speaker to your RC boat so people in the cockpit and/or flybridge can hear better. If you hook up two speakers you'll want to do a little impedance matching for best performance. A little audio transformer from DigiKey and five minutes with a soldering iron or white crimps will do. White crimps (the tiny ones) are available from DigiKey and Grainger and elsewhere.
Here is a search for waterproof marine handhelds from SH and Icom. I remember that some radios inject a subaudible tone into the speaker (again plastic material) that causes it to vibrate and shed water droplets). I leave tracking that down to you.
People use speaker mics in all kinds of duty. One trick is to run the cord inside clothing to reduce snags. The remaining problem with handhelds is that they themselves risk snags. I recommend you find a case or attachment so users can thread a belt through the case. A clip is not enough. You will eventually lose a radio. You'll also have radios in water at the bottom of the mark boat. Waterproof radios will be okay but the mark boat crew won't be able to hear anything. When an antenna gets caught on something it usually breaks the connector off the handheld. Buy a couple of spare radios.
If you are committed to handhelds I'd still go with speaker mics. Your call. You'll want a charging station for handhelds convenient to where RC crew pick up the Pelican cases. Set up tags on the handles that show the radio is in the charger and needs to be picked up. Note that the fancy handhelds with GPS and DSC such as SH HX-8XX do not have the battery life to make it through a long race day. Every smartphone has GPS apps including free ones to directly read lat and long. Better yet would be planning in advance and transferring a GPX file from a planning tool (I use OpenCPN) to a nav tool on phones (I use Aqua Map by preference) with waypoints set for planned marks. You'll still want lat and long in case you have to move the course for a wind shift. The waypoint approach avoids transcription errors when working from paper. I do not recommend Navionics despite its popularity. I have more demanding nav needs than you do but shortfalls may still bite you.
The more I think about it, the more I tend toward fixed radios in the mark boats. Mount them in the console if you have a console, in a Pelican case if there is no console. Again, your call.
This is a fun exercise.
73 es sail fast de dave KO4MI/MM (E) S/V Auspicious
lowflash@reddit (OP)
There are some great suggestions here. Thanks to all who replied. I've got some cool ideas to think about-Bluetooth (which I wasn't paying attention to as a feature in radios), external speakers, portable built up kits, etc. Great stuff.
seamus_mc@reddit
I have a bone conducting Bluetooth headset for communicating on deck. I believe standard horizon has Bluetooth compatible VHFs. The ones i use are just FRS not VHF but the concept should work the same.
NumerousTooth3921@reddit
What brand is your headset?
seamus_mc@reddit
Shokz
No-War-1002@reddit
My wife and I have shokz as well but how do you use them to communicate with each other? Through a phone call? I ask because we're often without cell service where we're cruising.
seamus_mc@reddit
Motorola radios with Bluetooth
No-War-1002@reddit
Thanks!
Foolserrand376@reddit
I have the horizon hx210 and and an icom m72 Both are suitably loud. The 210 floats. I don’t think the m72 floats.
Has some good specs on radios. http://www.wiscointl.com/index.htm
Both of the above speakers I think are .6watts
Candygramformrmongo@reddit
I have the HX 890. Floats, GPS, MMSI and DSC calling, nice big dsiplay. "700mW Loud Audio and Noise Canceling Function for both TX/RX audio" per the website.
I have the HX210 also, never had an issue with volume and like the more compact size, but wanted the additional features.
2airishuman@reddit
Standard Horizon HX380 is louder than your average bear. I have 4 of them. Great radios. Tough. Waterproof but doesn't float. I had some other radio that was similar to the HX210 and the HX380 is much louder than that one was.
I would suggest you rethink your requirement for the radio to float. How often do you lose them overboard and recover them? Floating in my book just means they go to New Orleans instead of to the bottom. On the other hand if you really want them to float you can clip a big cork or something to them. Would you rather have loud than floaty?
I added an external speaker in the cockpit to my (permanently installaed) VHF and it has made for a huge improvement in clarity of communications in the conditions you describe. Not sure what things are like where you are but until recently I was spending a lot of time on the Mississippi near St. Paul and it's important to talk to the bridges, the locks, the commercial traffic, and just other boats. I put a permanently mounted radio in my 26' sailboat for that. Have moved my boating to Lake Superior where the radio actually matters less for the most part... Anyway I realize that the committee boats are probably volunteers who may not see the vhf as a high priority, but good permanently mounted vhfs are not expensive these days
DarkVoid42@reddit
bluetooth capable vhf and bone conducting headset.
MathematicianSlow648@reddit
On Commercial Tugs I used Icom with a speaker mike attached. There you were competing with 1000+ Hp at full throttle.
Anonymeese109@reddit
Take a look at Icom handhelds.