Is the Jeep Grand Wagoneer a bad investment?
Posted by always__alright@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 238 comments
I am someone who has driven nothing but Hondas and I'm wanting to venture out for a different look. Wants aside, we need an 7-8 seater (4 kids in tow!) and decent cargo space.
I hear Jeeps don't last well beyond 150k miles and are often accompanied with lots of issues leading up to their death. My husband is strongly suggesting I take the Wagoneer off of my list based off of his own poor experience with a Grand Cherokee. Our budget needs to stay under $60k, and the used 2023 Wagoneers are all around there. I just don't want a generic looking Tahoe or Yukon like every other southern mom, but I fear that's the direction he's wanting me to go.
Should I stay away from it? Is there any hope for the Wagoneers at all? I don't want to make a mistake but I want to at least love the huge investment that mainly l'll be driving every day.
Zoomy_frenz@reddit
I have a new 25 Honda Pilot Elite, it’s beautiful, has everything and well under $60k. If you haven’t driven one I would check it out.
Aggressive-Bed3269@reddit
$60k on a used $90k new Jeep is a pinnacle type of bad idea.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
what do you drive i have to know
Aggressive-Bed3269@reddit
An older 5 series I work on myself.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
Downvote
Aggressive-Bed3269@reddit
Ok I will!
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
I’d smoke ur 5 series pal
nothing_911@reddit
about as bad as an investment that i could think of.
putting 50k on 14 black is probably a better investment overall.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
someones never touched a casino
myspoonistoodeep@reddit
1/36th odds to be millionaire vs 30% automatic devaluation.
if i was going to choose i would spin, still leave me enough money to drive a beater and be humbled about my stupid financial decisions
Acrobatic_Guitar_466@reddit
A grand wagoner is definitely not a honda pilot...
Confident_As_Hell@reddit
Take a loot at Peugeot/Citroen or Renault. Much better cars
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
hell no.
Confident_As_Hell@reddit
Yes
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
If I see someone pull up to my house in a Peugeot I’m calling the cops
Confident_As_Hell@reddit
If I see someone pull up to my house I start striking down as it's so hot
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
If I saw you naked on the street I’d assume you drove a Peugeot
Confident_As_Hell@reddit
I 50% drive a Peugeot. It's a Volvo V50 with a Peugeot powerplant.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
Yeesh.
Confident_As_Hell@reddit
Isn't it wonderful?
Baby_angel_@reddit
This is ‘merica!
Confident_As_Hell@reddit
I'm in 'inland!
Badenguy@reddit
Those things were going for 100k new and already at 60? No car is ever an investment. Even a Ferrari or an F1 McLaren when you look at the upkeep. jeep honestly just hasn’t got a good reputation, enough for me.
Njo56@reddit
Minivan
boe_jackson_bikes@reddit
They live in the south. That would require her husband castrating his balls in front of all his friends.
Melgariano@reddit
If I had 4 kids, I’d get a minivan and a vasectomy. They’re really the best choice for big families.
Njo56@reddit
Oh I live in a state that was on the correct side of the civil war. Also, I have balls of steel. Can’t help him I’m afraid! 😜
Melgariano@reddit
If I had 4 kids, I’d get a minivan and a vasectomy. They’re really the best choice for big families.
imothers@reddit
I am surprised I got this far before seeing the minivan recommendation. They are better people carriers than SUVs, bigger inside, smaller outside, and use less gas. Should cost less than a Wagoneer as well. Power sliding doors are a tremendous convenience when you are wrangling small children. Toyota Sienna wins the reliability prize. Kia Carnival is worth a look. And if you can get a deal the Dodge/Chrysler vans are a consideration - just expect them to be shorter lived and more "disposable" than the others.
Grandemestizo@reddit
If it were me I’d get a Ford Expedition instead.
NumberOneBacon@reddit
The Grand Wagoneer starts at $92k base MSRP. If after 1 year on the road you can buy one for over $30k off you should be looking for what went wrong. As far as I know they aren’t doing well reliability wise. I’d skip the full size Jeeps for the next few years until they can prove they’re worth looking at over a loaded up couple year old Sequoia (not the new V6 one).
flushbunking@reddit
If you value your time you shall invest in that by choosing a vehicle with a proven track record so you can spend your future time coordinating family time with family, not coordinating courtesy loaners with your service advisor.
bucho80@reddit
Once you go minivan, as a parent with multiple children, you'll only look back once they start driving. Even then you'll probably still want to have a mini van in the fleet for the pure utility and vacation power!
These oversized SUVs fucking suck, gas, handling, comfort, cargo... Sure, I'm bet there are some out there that will defy one of those conditions, but none of them can do them all as well as a minivan.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
yeah but then you have to drive a minivan
bucho80@reddit
and then realize how great they are!
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
They’re great for sure.
K-Rimes@reddit
No car is an investment save for small run collector cars in desirable spec. The Wagoneer does not fall into this category.
always__alright@reddit (OP)
True. I guess I meant investment in terms of, we’re putting all this money into a hunk of metal that we hope will get us from point A to B daily and once or twice a year point A to Z. Where the risk is in it failing
Sexy_Quazar@reddit
Most of the risk is in the electronics and transmission if you get one with a hemi.
Still there is no way in hell I would be financially tied to one of these unless it was a $399/mo lease with prepaid maintenance thrown in.
Buy a Toyota, Lease a Jeep
Supernac01@reddit
They have a ZF 8HP transmission, one of the best transmissions ever made. You don’t know jack about autos.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
they don't sell grand wagoneers with a hemi, none of you know what you're talking about.
Mumphord123@reddit
Yep just mindless shitting on jeeps et al from people who get their opinions from Reddit threads
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
seriously.
K-Rimes@reddit
Stellantis products have some of the lowest reliability ratings in the industry. Just because it’s an expensive Stellantis doesn’t make it any better than the lower end, in fact, probably worse. More shitty systems = more systems to break.
bluedaytona392@reddit
Maybe in 1997 this was correct. It's been 20 years since those lousy 5 speeds.
Ayyy-yo@reddit
Stellantis is still dog shit with low reliability ratings. So nothing has changed since 1997
bluedaytona392@reddit
Ram is the highest rated of the big three.
My charger is 4 years old and hasn't had a single issue.
My 2011 ram made it to 205k miles.
97 Durango before it hit 235k.
Sup now?
Ayyy-yo@reddit
Still has one of the highest lemon law claims of any manufacturer. They have some trucks that are great but that doesn’t make them a good OEM.
Almost everyone I know who has owned a Stellantis product wouldn’t own one again. Even if the powertrain lasts the odds of everything in that vehicle working the way it’s intended beyond 5 years is slim and you know it.
bluedaytona392@reddit
Do I? Since I've personally had 4 mopars last well beyond 5 years each? All you guys here argue in bad faith. I feel sorry for anyone who comes here looking for real knowledge. You are in AskHondaandToyota fanboys.
Ayyy-yo@reddit
And I’m not arguing in bad faith my dad owned a Durango, Ram and a Journey they were all pieces of shit. After the Journey he never bought another one. He’s a long haul truck driver who does his own repairs but even he got tired of the endless problems
Ayyy-yo@reddit
Never said they wouldn’t last- I said you won’t find many where nothing breaks within 5 years / works as intended.
K-Rimes@reddit
I have a 6.0 Powerstroke with 280k miles. One of the least reliable diesel motors of all time, yet I have a good one that has had no issues in 70k miles. My experience doesn’t take away from the horrendous reputation, for good reason, that the 6.0 has.
bluedaytona392@reddit
K. Give me some current (10 years or newer) ratings for ram or v8 mopars.
Everyone knows about 6.0s blowing their head studs off. Everyone knows about shit mopar transmissions from the 90s.
Nobody still holds that shit over Ford. Everyone of you chucklefucks still think dodge is still in 1997.
K-Rimes@reddit
Hey Google, search “hemi lifter failure”
MoirasPurpleOrb@reddit
Anecdotes don’t mean anything when every actual metric shows stellantis is terrible. Every brand of theirs is below the industry average for reliability.
I also don’t know what you’re looking at but I can’t find any reliability metric that ranks Ram as #1
bluedaytona392@reddit
That means your anecdotes mean nothing as well.
Information is easy to find on Google. Like 1st result. You are lying.
MoirasPurpleOrb@reddit
I didn’t give any anecdotes. And please link this article because I couldn’t see one anywhere.
Unless you’re referring to initial quality, which has nothing to do with reliability…
bluedaytona392@reddit
Ok then, I will teach you like a toddler, I guess.
Open Google. Type "ram reliability". Tell me what it says.
bluedaytona392@reddit
Ya, just rename this sub to something like "r/wesuckhondadick" or something, tbh
Awesome_hospital@reddit
My 2004 Land Rover has been relatively problem free for the 15 years I've owned it, that doesn't mean Land Rovers are reliable lmao
ATX_native@reddit
As an “investment” in that sense it’s not the best.
A Honda or Toyota would be better.
AbruptMango@reddit
So you mean to ask is it a good purchase?
At the Wagoneer's price level, all questions of practicality have gone out the window.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
but you don't see anyone complaining about the escalade's price. The Grand Wagoneer is objectively better at any trim level, cheaper too. Yet nobody says anything.
ipreferanothername@reddit
Imo Look at general reliability and go from there..I wanted a Volvo but... They are some money to keep maintained. I went with Acura
https://www.reddit.com/r/whatcarshouldIbuy/s/GzYDfp55Cx
Obviously that's not the only thing to consider, but if something is bottom of the reliability list I feel like it's enough reason to skip some things entirely.
umrdyldo@reddit
Toyota Grand Highlander or Land Cruiser maybe
BadgersHoneyPot@reddit
A 911 is an investment.
K-Rimes@reddit
Lol, no they are not. A 911 Carerra in 2000 was 71k, equivalent to 130k in 2024 dollars. They sell for $10k-$20k today.
BadgersHoneyPot@reddit
Go ahead and find me a drivable $20k 996.
K-Rimes@reddit
No worries!
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1016915146649337/?mibextid=HHaHfI
BadgersHoneyPot@reddit
I guarantee you that any 911 listed for under $40k needs work.
You’re a “car guy” do you know much about 911s?
K-Rimes@reddit
I know that a 130k to 20k, hell, even 40k resale price is not an “investment”. :) not included, IMS bearing replacement, or worse, total engine replacement cause it wasn’t done in time.
I do not see the 2000s 911s ever rising to the price of the highly collectible ones like the 84-89s.
stackin_papers@reddit
Cars you plan on driving are not investments
reefmespla@reddit
The issues start right after purchase.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
any issue with any car anyone has ever bought has happened after purchase. duh.
reefmespla@reddit
Right after purchase is significantly different that anytime after a purchase. But hey you be you, maybe learn the language before making yourself look stupid.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
You sound like a moron. You hate jeep because you're broke and can't afford anything besides a honda or toyota with 25 year old software and a deleted muffler. Saying I need to 'learn the language' and still having improper grammar is something you should be ashamed of.
RoookSkywokkah@reddit
Look at a good, used Suburban. Better vehicle (not without problems!) and hold their value pretty well.
Best_Market4204@reddit
I love tahoes.
If they are the the years where they switch feom v8 to v4. Get an adapter that disables that crap
1morepl8@reddit
For a fun fact the suburban has the highest repurchase rate of any vehicle in the segment. I sold my 2500 burb for a 6.2 Tahoe and miss it tremendously lol.
jabroni4545@reddit
I think it's also one of the vehicles kept on the road the longest by owners. link
1morepl8@reddit
I sold mine with 400k miles lol. (really 380s, but I day 400) 1 trans rebuild.
RoookSkywokkah@reddit
My 04 Yukon XL Denali had 360k miles on it when I sold it. Trans was replaced by the previous owner at 140k. After all those miles, it still had plenty of guts to tow a boat. Felt stronger than my 2014 5.3.
1morepl8@reddit
Dammit I need a 2500 burb again lol.
RoookSkywokkah@reddit
I had an '89 2500 2wd with a 454. 9 mpg no matter what. It was a BEAST!
localnativeupnorth@reddit
Repurchase rate? Like lemon law buyback? Or resale value?
Careful_Hearing_4284@reddit
Think so good they come back for more
theriibirdun@reddit
People who buy a second one, aka repurchase rate.
Majestic_Ad8621@reddit
Just gotta watch out for the main bearing issues on the newer 6.2’s. My bosses family had 2 blow up on them, both before 40k miles. Luckily they both were covered under warranty
RoookSkywokkah@reddit
My 2019 6.2 has almost 75k on her now. No issues at all! Fingers crossed!
mandatoryclutchpedal@reddit
It's not an investment. Jeeps kinda suck as they age. Wagoneer sucks gas like no tomorrow. It's going to be a nice place to sit for the first couple of years but the Jeep fairy will visit you eventually and grant you three dealership visits. One of these visit will be quite the surprise.
Be a rebel and make the smart people mover choice. Proudly display your elitism with a proper minivan if you need to haul 4 kids and there stuff.
Or just get the wagoneer because that's what you have your mind set on. Unfortunately can't provide you with any positive talking points to help you sway your partner.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
Wagoneers do not suck gas. The 2021 model with the 6.4 hemi sucked gas yes. New motor, better mileage.
mandatoryclutchpedal@reddit
https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=48561
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
i can copy and paste links too. The wagoneer gets better gas mileage than any other full size suv.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2025_Cadillac_Escalade.shtml
Curious-Manufacturer@reddit
Car is not an investment unless a classic that people want and can go up in value
WufBro@reddit
There is a reason the Grand Wagoneers have depreciated so much.
Cranks_No_Start@reddit
I was just thinking that. After seeing commercials of them "Starting at 89K" and they're already at 60??!!!
Available_Dinner_388@reddit
To be fair here, I bought a new GMC Yukon XL Denali for about 72k a while back. It depreciated to about $60k in a year.
I traded it in about 6 months later for an Ascent and got $55k for it.
I think these types of vehicles just depreciate fast and they're for folks who don't care about it and can take it financially.
always__alright@reddit (OP)
Very valid explanation
BuzzINGUS@reddit
They are shit.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
They’re not shit just not worth how much they are.
Jackson_Rhodes_42@reddit
They are a modern Stellantis product. They are shit
Lower_Kick268@reddit
They’re not shit nor is Stellantis as a whole shit. Only really bad models they sell rn are the Hornet and 500e. The rest are mediocre.
Jackson_Rhodes_42@reddit
They’ve got the worst reliability record of any domestic manufacturer, an already low bar. They’re overpriced, poorly built, and outclassed by every competitor. Stellantis products are all shit. The only product they sell that’s anywhere close to “good” is the HD Ram, and that’s only because of the Cummins engine.
MobilityFotog@reddit
Great concept. It's a suburban killer. Engine and tranny of a truck in an XL SUV. But that AC is non-starter.
clydetorrez@reddit
The Suburban is the drivetrain of a truck in an XL SUV…?
MobilityFotog@reddit
Not anymore. Towing tops at 8k.
clydetorrez@reddit
It’s a 5.3/6.2 LS and a 10L80. That’s as truck as it gets.
TheBros35@reddit
Whole point of a suburban. Truck SUV hybrid thing that can kinda tow, but really is meant for hauling lots of family shit in its big ass hatch. Are they still body on frame?
What I’m always impressed with is how easily a new RWD Explorer can tow. I regularly go fishing with someone and will often pull the boat out of the water, and it has absolutely zero problems. Damn thing drives like it’s barely back there. (it’s just an average bass boat, but hell my Equinox would break in half trying to pull it)
clydetorrez@reddit
Suburban is still body on frame. Biggest non-truck update recently was switching to independent rear suspension.
getofftheirlawn@reddit
Yup they do look cool but I would steer clear. No shame in spending that same money on a Sequoya or what about a used Lexus GX/LX?
walmarttshirt@reddit
I think the main reason was the initial price.
Jeeps aren’t the most reliable to start with. Add a price tag of $90k+ and they were destined to have suicidal depreciation.
-HELLAFELLA-@reddit
Are you not familiar with the whole "Stellantis thing" that's happening?
TedBug@reddit
Yes. Investments should go up in value.
Ambitious-Guess-9611@reddit
All Jeeps are bad investments.
Disclaimer: "Real" Jeep's will still always be cool and fun though.
operaheaux@reddit
It’s a lot of money to spend on something with historically bad reliability. If you like projects, Jeeps are okay. Look at a used Honda Pilot. I’ve got a 2014 and it’s amazing. I can fit my five nephews or my kayak inside.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
" historically bad." They've been out for 4 years. the new models with the new powertrain have only been out for 2.
operaheaux@reddit
Jeeps as a whole, not just the Wagoneer.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
Jeep hasn’t had a bad motor since the tiger shark
AuburnSpeedster@reddit
Every car is pretty much a bad investment.. if you're looking for a good investment, go buy the Ticker VOO and hang on to it for 5 years..
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
finally some real advice, but XEQT>
AuburnSpeedster@reddit
no, over the last 5 years, XEQT underperformed VOO by \~35%
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
S&P500
AuburnSpeedster@reddit
VOO is an S&P500 ETF.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
Yeah I know that’s like the whole entire reason for my last comment
ready2xxxperiment@reddit
As a Jeep owner, I agree with your husband.
Beautiful cars but damn way too expensive for the headache you get in return.
Plus resell value plummets year over year
superluig164@reddit
If you get an older one with a HEMI it should be decently reliable. I wouldn't trust any of them with the hurricane, it hasn't been out long enough to vet.
Global-Anything-7002@reddit
The yukon deisel has been pretty dope since they fixed the issues
Paramedic_Historical@reddit
Hate to go there but… what about a Ford transit passenger van?
Big-Schlong-Meat@reddit
Yes
KeeganY_SR-UVB76@reddit
Don’t last well beyond 150k miles? Try the transmission on my 2020 Cherokee going out at 40k.
serpentman@reddit
Yes
woohooguy@reddit
If all you have ever driven is Hondas, then you are in for a very very bad time.
sllewgh@reddit
It's the worst vehicle you can spend 100k on.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
compared to what
sllewgh@reddit
Literally everything else.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
Tell me one similar vehicle model for 100k that is 'better', so that I can shit on your response and not listen to what you have to say like y'all do with Jeeps.
sllewgh@reddit
No thanks.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
exactly. dickhead. Go sit in your civic beofre your shift at don's
Past-Apartment-8455@reddit
It isn't that they fall apart once they hit 150k miles, it is all the things that go wrong after they hit half that mark.
Transmissions and engines are common items. But things like the A/C system will fail before then.
Oh, I work for a super large used car company with over 150 lots and track repairs. For fun.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
buy warranty next time dummy
Past-Apartment-8455@reddit
Warranty last usually one year for minor parts, three for engine and transmission. Half of 150k miles is around 3 years for most US drivers . Usually an extended warranty is pretty much a rip off that covers such things at a reduced rate and requires that you use the dealers much more expensive normal things like oil changes.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
“Usually an extended warranty…” usually? So what I’m hearing is you have no idea how the different extended warranties work. 95% percent of people will NEVER drive 75k miles in three years. Doing your own oil change will not void your warranty.
Past-Apartment-8455@reddit
Ford: new car warranty is 3 years/36,000 miles
Jeep: 3/36K
Mazda 3/36K
Toyota 3/36K...
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
you sound stupid dude. There's not a single stellantis vehicle with a factory warranty of less than 5 yr/60k miles
Past-Apartment-8455@reddit
Just googled the new vehicle warranty. Used car data came from the 200k vehicles we've sold over the past 3 years
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
I work at a chrysler dealership in canada and every single new vehicle we have on the lot comes with 5yr/100k from factory.
Pineydude@reddit
If you’re a Honda person check the Pilot. I had an 06’. A 17’ we traded in on a 21’ when Honda made us an offer we couldn’t refuse on a trade in. They handle like a sporty sedan, have adequate power, and will fit the kids. Got over 24 mpg on a road trip going over 70 mph
boe_jackson_bikes@reddit
Does it though? Lmao
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
regular maintenance on any vehicle will keep it running well.
Careful_Hearing_4284@reddit
Is the pilot a full size SUV? I’ve probably seen newer ones but never noticed the model.
paxtonious@reddit
Just buy a mini van.
jcquik@reddit
2 things- excluding classics that are appreciating and won't be driven.
All cars are bad investments All luxury cars are worse investments than normal ones.
So is it a bad investment, of course it is, you're going to lose half your money in the first could years and pay interest the whole time and that sucks, but it's a cool car so do what makes you happy.
TheTortise@reddit
A van. What you actually need is a van
drjenkstah@reddit
Jeeps are known to have reliability issues. I wouldn’t buy one if you’re not up for dealing with a bunch of headaches.
TheBobInSonoma@reddit
I don't know crappy the reliability may be, but it's obvious they're way overpriced.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
go compare a grand wagoneer to a cadillac escalade and get back to me
ZerotheWanderer@reddit
If you want one as an investment, buy one from the '80s or '90s.
Number1swimmer@reddit
I'm pretty sure you can pick up a fairly low mileage Navigator, Sequoia or Expedition in that price range, hell you could even get an Escalade if you wanted to ball out a bit. Wagoneers are hot trash, I went to test drive one the day they hit my local market and as soon as I grabbed the cheap door handle I left and went to a Toyota dealership.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
you saw that you couldn't afford even the interest on the payment and went to the cheapest dealer in your area. that's what happened. Don't look at expensive cars if you're broke. Simple as that.
ovirto@reddit
Honestly to seat 7-8 people, you’re looking a minivan (Toyota Sienna or Honda Odyssey). If you want more of an SUV profile, maybe Toyota Sequoia.
Imthescarecrow@reddit
One of my buddies has one and he's had nothing but problems with it. Half the stuff in it didn't work right off the lot, constantly sending it to the dealer for a variety of issues. It had repeated problems where it would just randomly die and wouldn't unlock; requiring it to be towed to the dealership. He has said repeatedly how much he regrets buying it and how much of a PITA it is. I would stay away. Have you looked into the Volvo XC90 or Ford Expedition?
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
No car just randomly dies overnight.
Baby_angel_@reddit
I came here to suggest the same exact SUVs. Volvo XC90 if it fits your cargo needs, as I believe the Expedition has a little more. Personally, having owned Volvos and Fords I would say XC90 hands down and just get a nice Thule roofbox if you need more cargo for traveling.
SkeletorsAlt@reddit
They’re pretty new still, but I think it’s extremely unlikely that they will buck the general Stellantis trend of crappiness and poor reliability.
The Toyota Sequoia looks pretty good since the last redesign, and if you’re in a warm, dry climate it will last decades.
morpowababy@reddit
Ah yes, the company that is currently replacing 100,000 brand new engines is the good solid reliable one. Toyota morons...
BaboTron@reddit
I would argue that’s a sign of a company taking their commitment to serving their customers seriously.
TaylorSwiftScatPorn@reddit
Ok, so samesies with Kia?
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
Right but when Jeep gets a recall they're dogshit. Yall piss me off
Lonely-Astronaut586@reddit
You know the answer even though you don’t like it. The GC, Tahoe, Expedition, etc have barely usable third rows that your four kids will soon outgrow. Combine that with Jeep reliability and it makes no sense. SUVs are neither sporty nor utilitarian and it’s time to own all three rows like the boss parent you are. The answer is….Odyssey.
Fair-Background-8680@reddit
Yes.
outline8668@reddit
I would rather pay good money for a creampuff mid 90s suburban. Thing will last until the end of time.
WilliamTK1974@reddit
If you can find one. It seems a good many of those were sacrificed to the Cash 4 Clunkers boondoggle.
CowboySocialism@reddit
700,000 total vehicles and the suburban wasn't in the top 10. Considering 720,000+ of that generation suburban were manufactured there's no way cash for clunkers made a dent in the supply currently available.
WilliamTK1974@reddit
Of the 720,000+ manufactured, how many are still on the road, and of those, how many might fall into cream puff territory? I haven’t seen one like that for sale in my area in quite some time. Not an expert, but this seems like one of those vehicles where if it’s a good one and the owner can afford the cost of ownership, they’re hanging on to it, and the ones that show up for sale have problems, broken a/c, peeling paint, and worn out interiors seem to top the list. Anything can be fixed if you throw enough money at it, but where do you draw the line?
Careful_Hearing_4284@reddit
When the repairs average out to more than what it could to finance a new car yearly on average. I’m a cheap ass though, so take it as you will lol.
WilliamTK1974@reddit
That’s part of why I wanted to learn how to use tools and do as many of my own repairs as possible. Cost of ownership is higher when you can’t DIY.
CowboySocialism@reddit
If they're immaculate now they probably weren't even candidates for cash for clunkers. Likewise the stuff that got traded in was unlikely to make it another 10 years let alone 15. Agree that these older heavier-duty body on frame vehicles are separating into a shitbox tier and a collector/garage-kept tier and there isn't a whole lot in between.
BaboTron@reddit
Have you had a look at Toyota Sequoias? That would be high up on my list.
longpig503@reddit
For that money I’d suggest looking at a Toyota sequoia
Ralph_O_nator@reddit
I think others have spoken regarding their opinions on the Jeep Wagoneer. May I suggest a Honda Odyssey or Toyota Sienna? We haul kids and adults in our Sienna and It’s been great.
DrMacintosh01@reddit
Cars are not an investment. A car is a tool to get you from point A to point B. Your considerations for a vehicle are 3 fold: 1. Price 2. Reliability 3. Utility
A Jeep Grand Wagoner is expensive, unreliable, but is very useful.
_4444_4444_@reddit
cars are not investments but i know what you're trying to look for. The ONLY anwer to this is a used japanese vehicle older than 5-7 years. It's the most bang for your buck. A new car is the opposite
Easy-Journalist-5331@reddit
Mazda CX-90 or a smaller car and pollute the air less
TallDudeInSC@reddit
I drove and rode a 2024. Anytime we hit a bump in the interstate, I could hear the doors flapping on the hinges. Not a good sign. Plenty of power with the Hurricane 6 though. I managed to eek out 21mpg on the interstate.
BigBoss_96@reddit
I would stay away from it. If you're looking for something reliable, look for something else.
porchprovider@reddit
I drive a lot of cars at work. The Wagoneer is the worse car I’ve ever driven.
The vehicle automatically brakes all the time when the car senses something near by. Then it’s brake is engaged.
We had one stuck with some mechanical issue in one spot for 3 days. I dread driving them. I would choose a 20 year old Rav 4 over a brand new one at the same price.
Careful_Hearing_4284@reddit
My wife’s 23 rav4 did the exact same thing to me on a 55 mph road because someone slammed on the brakes for a second.
Locked the front end up and stopped any possibility of changing lanes. I get why it’s there, but we’re lucky the semi behind us had room to stop.
carpet_whisper@reddit
Honestly they’re not THAT bad but they’re definitely on the shit list.
You either buy a nice one that’s 4 years old for cheap expecting to sink some money into it.
Or you buy one on lease.
If you need a big 7 seater SUV id rather have a Toyota Sequoia or a Ford Expedition.
IntheOlympicMTs@reddit
Yes
running101@reddit
cars are depreciating assets, spend as little as you can on depreciating assets. Only spend money on appreciating assets like stocks, land, real-estate, businesses and etc...
ChipOld734@reddit
Jeeps in general have gotten a bad reputation. I would suggest digging deep and investigating more.
BrandonW77@reddit
Literally any fairly modern Jeep is a bad investment. They regularly take at least one or two spots on the top 10 least reliable cars list. Don't do it.
dsdvbguutres@reddit
It is not a bad investment. It's not an investment at all.
always__alright@reddit (OP)
Wow, thank you
StupendousMalice@reddit
No car is a GOOD investment, they are just degrees of less bad. But a Jeep of any kind is almost always pretty bad and these seem to be particularly so.
beast_roast@reddit
Jeeps are pretty much universally accepted as one of the least reliable cars you can buy.
chmod-77@reddit
Get a Pacifica if you don't want the Tahoe/Yukon.
The Yukon/Tahoe is a great platform and is reliable up to 300K miles. There are subreddits dedicated to re-using the engines out of them because they are so reliable and are such good quality.
crazytalk151@reddit
is this a joke? Jeeps makes trash cars. Ill never buy another jeep again.
RustBeltLab@reddit
Yes, the grand wagonneer is like any other Chrysler, a POS.
throwaway6456422@reddit
They put that Wagoneer real big and prominent across it, because they want you to forget you’re paying 100K for a Chrysler lmaoooo
briman2021@reddit
Don't do it. My buddy is a Jeep mechanic and has had all sorts of complex and expensive problems with them since release.
His latest involved an intermittent electrical issue that he had to chase under the dash. He got in touch with the engineers and they don't have a wiring diagram ready for the techs, so he has to map it out by hand as he is testing circuits. They also had one in that needed an entirely new body harness which took quite a while to get in, and while it was under warranty, the bill would have been north of 20k.
Baby_angel_@reddit
I’ve seen a couple posts on various socials about the body harness thing
Jjmills101@reddit
You’d be better served by pretty much any of the other options. Used suburban, new sequoia in one of the lower trims, used tahoe. Lots of options, just avoid anything Stellantis-made (jeep, dodge, ram, Alfa, fiat) as they are all crocks of shit which will have electrical and suspension issues even if your engine ends up being ok, and the build quality is just awful.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
Jeep/ram/dodge have the single best interiors and build quality in their respective price range. Suspension issues are replaced under warranty, same with engine issues.
libra-love-@reddit
I work for dodge/jeep/ram. They are fucking GARBAGE. Do not. For that price buy a nice Lexus.
Scazitar@reddit
Yeah unfortunately it's basically just a worse version of the other cars you mentioned pretty much across the board.
It's unique but not really for the right reasons.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
not true
SSNs4evr@reddit
Get an Expedition.
Polyphemus1898@reddit
Didn't they discontinue them because they suck?
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
no? they didn't. Not a single article/ piece of news has said that.
SlyBlackDragon@reddit
An unreliable Stellantis "luxury" vehicle sounds like a money pitt.
Total_Point@reddit
Yes.
albertpenello@reddit
Bad investment? Yes.
Bad car? Also yes.
Snahhhgurrrr@reddit
stay in ur civic then i suppose...
ccsp_eng@reddit
Paying what they're asking for the Wagoneer should be a Class A misdemeanor.
eats_pie@reddit
No car is a good investment- it’s a depreciating asset
Wonkbonkeroon@reddit
Get a Honda or Toyota I’m begging you
Clear_Jackfruit_2440@reddit
A car is not an investment.
Hot_Block_9675@reddit
All I can say is read this:
Who Makes the Most Reliable New Cars? - Consumer Reports
TheBigCicero@reddit
I would be reluctant to drive anything by Stellantis on a long-term basis. Toyotas are the gold standard and, unless I’m not mistaken, they still are.
SpurReadIt4@reddit
Don’t do it. (Former Jeep owner who just bought a Honda.) Jeeps are money pits. Constant issues and mine only had 60,000 miles on it when I got rid of it.
laborvspacu@reddit
I have a large family, and we have had several Suburbans. They are fantastic.
DiscoStu0000@reddit
There's a reason that one is driving us boring cars. They work. Be boring. Save your money and spice up your life elsewhere.
anthro4ME@reddit
Everything Stellantis is a bad investment.
Master-File-9866@reddit
Stelantis products, formerly fiat Chrysler, formerly Chrysler. Has been near bankrupt since the early 2000s when Mercedes tried to save the company and ended up walking away becuase it was so bad.
The fact is that r and d and other important aspects of the entire line has been neglected.
I would recommend removing any of the collective brands off of your list of potential purchases
Method-Time@reddit
Have you looked at the bmw x5? You can buy one cpo with a 3rd row, warranty, etc. and still get a pretty damn reliable vehicle. If the x5 isn’t big enough, the x7 is an option too. I would expect both to be much more reliable than the Jeep, especially with the b58.
PreviousWar6568@reddit
Is the Toyota Sienna a choice? It’s a sleek van, unless you want an SUV specifically
PreviousWar6568@reddit
Jeeps don’t last well beyond 150k km nvm miles lmao
datSubguy@reddit
My 08 Sequoia just passed 300k
glink48@reddit
I have a 2004 Grand Cherokee that I absolutely love.
However, I do all the work on it myself (and it demands a lot). It's also not my daily driver...I pretty much just use it to camp and go to the hardware store.
I would get the Tahoe/Yukon for my significant other.
jfisk101@reddit
You might be better off getting a restored classic Grand Wagoneer. At least it'll be easier to work on when it inevitably breaks down.
Other_Joss@reddit
There was a comment in a post awhile back from the guy who worked the assembly line for the wagoneer. I can’t find it but he absolutely trashes the car. It is not well built
rolowa@reddit
Consider the CX-90. Its 3 row, in budget and Mazda is currently riding on what seems like a transition to a luxury vehicle with Japanese reliability. All three traits are the exact opposite of the Grand Wagoneer.
imprl59@reddit
You know that Grand Cherokee your husband had so much trouble with? I'd say the Wagoneer is about half the car that Wagoneer was. They're horrible vehicles... I wanted to like it to but they're nothing but trouble. I honestly don't understand what's going on at Stelantis - the only thing I can think is that there's some kind of corporate turmoil that's trying to kill off Chrysler and sell the other pieces.
Otiskuhn11@reddit
Yes.
OntFF@reddit
Not for nothing, but the reason there's so many Yukons and Tahoes (and escalades - same platform) is they're reliable and repairable... they last.
jstar77@reddit
As much as I wanted the Grand Wagoneer to be awesome there have been so many problems with them I couldn't imagine dropping $60k on a used one.