North Korea Deploys 10,000 Soldiers to Russia, Sources Report
Posted by UNITED24Media@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 47 comments
Posted by UNITED24Media@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 47 comments
UltimateKane99@reddit
I just... This is RUSSIA. The supposed "second most powerful army in the world," by their own chest thumping.
And it's deploying North Korean battalions to fight its war?
I don't think the world's best military strategists could have predicted this happening...
Enzo-Unversed@reddit
American and European military advisors have been confirmed killed in Russian air strikes.
Old_Wallaby_7461@reddit
Do they have names?
I'm familiar with the 75371710 NATO generals killed in bunkers stories, but I think all of those are lies
UltimateKane99@reddit
Sure, but Ukraine isn't "the second most powerful army in the world." Aside from the fact that Ukraine should need the help far more than Russia does, it's also not American and European military advisors are really equivalent to the US or Germany rolling a division into the Donbas.
Icy-Cry340@reddit
We deploy auxiliaries in our wars, and we are uncontroversially the most powerful military in the planet. But I think it’s probably best to consider the source of these claims first.
Obscure_Occultist@reddit
Traditionally, when the US utilizes auxiliary forces, it's usually local ground forces, like the Kurdish Peshmerga or the local militia unit. I've never heard of the US bringing in auxiliaries from one part of the world to take part in a conflict in a separate part of the world.
Roxylius@reddit
Dude, south korean troops fought in vietnam for years. Please learn your history
Obscure_Occultist@reddit
As I pointed out to the other guy. Those aren't auxiliaries. Those were allied troops. The difference being that the South Koreans troops served in independent combat units, as part of the ROK army, commanded by Korean officers and were ultimately beholden to the orders of Seoul. They were not serving members of the United States armed forces, nor were they serving under American officers. They were part of the US strategic command, but American officers were not ordering Korean troops.
Roxylius@reddit
That’s a complete bs argument. By that logic, you could argue that NK troops are part of allied troops comprising of Russia, NK and Belarus. NK troops are also ultimately under the command of Pyongyang. They were not serving under Russian officer
Old_Wallaby_7461@reddit
We don't know that they are or aren't.
If they are serving under DPRK officers on the frontline- allies is simply what they are. Same as Belarusian troops would be. If under Russian officers- auxiliaries.
Eric1491625@reddit
Many other countries fought in the Vietnam war. South Korea was a big one so that they could "prove" themselves to America to guarantee badly-needed protection.
More South Koreans died fighting in Vietnam than Americans died in Iraq.
Icy-Cry340@reddit
Ukrainains were our auxiliaries in Iraq.
Obscure_Occultist@reddit
Those were coalition allies that were under US tactical command but were largely self equipped and ultimately took orders from Kyiv. Considering they pulled out of Iraq in 2007, I wouldn't exactly call them US auxiliaries. If a military force can straight up disregard the orders of the military, they are supposedly acting as an auxiliary and leave the battlefield despite the interest of said military. They aren't auxiliaries. They are allies.
Icy-Cry340@reddit
We don’t have allies because we have no equals - we have vassals and orbiters. Anyway, the term fits well enough for my purposes here, especially when it comes to the sort of units some of our “allies” sent to Iraq
Obscure_Occultist@reddit
The definition coincidentally proves my point. These "vassals" that were sent to Iraq were not serving as part of the US military. They were still a part of their own nations armed forces. They still retain their own officers. They were part of the same unified command structure, but the orders of their home country and officers supercede the orders of US command. Auxiliaries wouldn't have been able to pull out of Iraq in 2007. That's the primary difference. This also applies to the North Koreans. If these North Korean disregarded an order that the Russian gave them or pulled out of Ukraine because Pyongyang or a North Korean officer ordered them too, then they wouldn't exactly be auxiliaries either. If they are commanded by Russian officers and take orders from Moscow, then they would be auxiliaries.
Icy-Cry340@reddit
You are overthinking it, I’m just using the term to mock weaker nations that send troops to curry favor with their patrons.
UltimateKane99@reddit
Sure, but at this point I've seen multiple reputable sources claiming this or even reporting defections.
We're reaching the point where there's at least enough smoke to start believing the fire is real.
Icy-Cry340@reddit
All of these articles are of the “Zelensky claims” variety. There is no other info on this at all yet.
A few advisors to oversee missile integration is completely believable - for a 10k deployment I would like to see something more.
UltimateKane99@reddit
... Did... You miss South Korea supporting the assertion based on their own military's observations? And other countries weighing in? Those were in the articles in question.
At this point, I need some solid proof they AREN'T in there, especially when the sources given have very strong ratings in Media Bias Fact Check.
Icy-Cry340@reddit
Is this in reference to the 10k deployments, the 18 deserters, or what nobody really doubts - the advisors helping with missile integration.
UltimateKane99@reddit
Like I said, there's enough smoke that I'm starting to believe the fire is real.
It's still early, of course, but at this point, the idea that North Koreans may be deployed to Ukraine's front lines appears to have a LOT of people considering the information behind it to be credible.
Icy-Cry340@reddit
The smoke is wholly inconsistent with deployment of 10k people or whatever. That’s a lot of bodies.
UltimateKane99@reddit
Not certain I'd agree with wholly, but it certainly sounds like we're going to start seeing North Korean soldiers taking a more active role on the battlefield, in however many quantities.
Icy-Cry340@reddit
Or we won't.
UltimateKane99@reddit
Eh. Time will tell. But considering the recent mutual defense pact with Russia and the usefulness to the North Korean brass to see their troops, weapons, and tactics in action in a real battlefield, I'm leaning towards expecting more and more verifiable reports.
I do hope I'm wrong, though. I'd rather this be a smokescreen than a new escalation...
AbrahamsterLincoln@reddit
"Reputable" "Kyiv Independent"
Lol
Lmao, even
Deathsand501@reddit
Okay, now tell us exactly how the article is false :)
UltimateKane99@reddit
That was ONE of the four I posted, and there's literally DOZENS more, with multiple reports by everyone from the US to South Korea military, all with even stronger reliability ratings according to Media Bias Fact Check.
And Kyiv Independent has a HIGH rating.
Yes, reputable fits.
axeteam@reddit
Yeah, at this point, people should take UA sources as seriously as RU ones. They are essentially fighting a war and disinformation/propaganda are at work here. I think they've been claiming NK troops entering battle for a while now. I'd believe in these claims once there are more concrete evidence.
SpinningHead@reddit
"we"
Icy-Cry340@reddit
Yes, we.
Old_Wallaby_7461@reddit
"We" definitely applies to you now- it's in the title of the article!
Icy-Cry340@reddit
It applies to me and over three hundred million other Americans. It’s a bit watered down - not everyone can live in a 80k citizen country.
Old_Wallaby_7461@reddit
Sorry boss, St. Petersburg (Leningrad Oblast) is not actually part of America
Icy-Cry340@reddit
I’m in Europe relatively frequently, but never go east of Czechia. Nothing good can be found that way.
headshotmonkey93@reddit
Why sacrifice Russian lives, when you can let prisoners, minorities, mongolians, chechens and NKs die for your cause?
jadacuddle@reddit
In one of the most well documented wars ever, where there is footage from every angle of every occurrence, there are somehow 10,000 North Koreans running around the battlefield that nobody has a single photo or video of?
For some reason I doubt this is true
Cuddlyaxe@reddit
I'm withholding judgement, maybe they really will pop up eventually but there's some reasons to doubt it
It would make a lot of sense for North Korea to send military attaches to the front line. It would also make sense for them to rent out labor
But just sending regular troops to fully intervene seems a bit much. They can get most of the benefits without directly intervening after all
Who knows, maybe NK wants combat experience and Russia was willing to pay for them to basically be mercenaries. That's
Here_for_lolz@reddit
It's a smart move to get them combat experience.
Testiclese@reddit
Social media cooked people’s brains.
“I just read a thing today and I want a live twitch stream by my favorite streamer - the one with the cat ears - immediately! - or it’s fake news!”
frizzykid@reddit
10,000north Koreans in the grand scheme of the war is not that many.
Also I think you're running off the assumption these guys are on the front line. They probably are there to train Russia how to use weapons made for the north Korean military.
mericafuckyea@reddit
Give it time sounds like they are just being deployed
shieeet@reddit
Christ, UNITED24Media has always been dogshit but this is getting truly embarrassing. I wonder whatever new Ghost-of-Kyiv they will conjure up next week? Another grandma downing a drone with a jar of pickles perhaps? Russia buys all the washing machines in North Korea in order to build missiles?
fajadada@reddit
Well if the desertions are any indicator of how North Korean troops react to Russian military life. 10,000 people running around the countryside should degrade their fighting capabilities nicely.
AprilVampire277@reddit
At least Ukrainian officers aren't as dumb to believe or count with that, c'mon do differentiate between the real war and the media misinformation, why would a Korean soldier deflect trapped between hostile land and land allied to NK? And in such amounts? To go where?
I understand the objective behind all these "South Korea claims" and stuff, but let's not be as dumb to take it seriously, let propaganda work where it was aimed at but don't actually fall for it yourself.
Icy-Cry340@reddit
Are these desertions in the room with us now.
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