18 North Korean Soldiers Have Reportedly Fled Russian Positions Towards Border
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Icy-Cry340@reddit
I'm sure there will totally be evidence provided for this assertion and it's just just a propaganda article sourced entirely from "intelligence" like so many others before it.
raphanum@reddit
Tankies triggered
Icy-Cry340@reddit
Actual tankies would probably be absolutely thrilled if North Korea would inject thousands of disposable auxiliaries into the war right when Ukrainians are experiencing a massive manpower crunch. That is not good news for Kiev.
Vassago81@reddit
The article was posted by United24, a part of the UA governement, and citing other UA gov propaganda, and is upvoted by their bot-army.
So the credibility is less than 0
throwawayerectpenis@reddit
It's wild how much BS news has been coming from the Ukrainian side and then repeated by Western media as the truth. It's like they know that the war isn't going that well so they just keep making up BS stories for some reason.
The__Machinist@reddit
It's basically just trust me bro
Disastrous-Bus-9834@reddit
Remindme! One week
Icy-Cry340@reddit
Let’s see what shakes out.
Disastrous-Bus-9834@reddit
!remindme one week
GalacticMe99@reddit
Russia bombs appartement buildings with Iranian drones, avoids sanctions with Indian money and uses North Koreans as cannon fodder.
Meanwhile Ukraine is still begging for permission to shoot at military bases just across the border. Western leaders are disgusting little spineless fucks and would more than deserve to be replaced one by one, if it weren't for the fact that those replacing them are even worse.
Snaz5@reddit
america wont let them shoot at russia because it was revealed earlier this month that NOT doing that was a promise the US made to russia to assure they didnt use tactical nukes. If we changed our minds NOW it would give Russia justification to use said nukes
raphanum@reddit
lol as if Russia is ever gonna fkn use nukes in Ukraine
Herr_Tilke@reddit
That's completely untrue.
The US has stated that any use of a nuclear weapon or a staged nuclear meltdown/explosion would result in the US responding with its own conventional forces. The US would be able to eliminate Russian military positions in Crimea, eliminate remaining naval assets in the Black Sea, sever the Crimean Bridge and clear paths for Ukrainian advances towards the southern coast of Ukraine. If the Russians used a nuclear weapon, the operational landscape within Ukraine would be upended in less than a week, undoing 2 1/2 years of Russian effort.
Both China and India (nuclear powers allied with Russia), and basically the only direct trace partners with Russia of any scale, have made clear that any Russian use of a nuclear weapon would result in them severing all trade with Russia. Russia's exports would be completely shut off in the blink of an eye. Their economy would disintegrate in less than a month. The Russian state would likely collapse in less than half a year.
Russia has constantly threatened to use nuclear weapons since the launch of their full scale invasion of Ukraine. They said any western military support of ukraine would cross the red line. Then HIMARS would cross the red line. Then attacking Crimea would cross the red line. Then attacking the Crimean Bridge would cross the red line. Then western battle tanks would cross the red line. Then ATACMS would cross the red line. Then sending western tanks into Kursk would cross the red line. Then F-16s would cross the red line. Then firing anywhere into Russia would cross the red line.
Now, Russia claims that firing an ATACMS rocket between 50km and 300km into Russia would cross the red line.
Russia knows that using a nuclear weapon would be the end of Putin and the end of the Russian federation. They are not stupid - but they put out a stream of bullshit just believable enough that the western powers painfully deliberate each and every subtle adjustment in aid to Ukraine long enough that Russia benefits from the delay.
Look up 'China's Final Warning.' Don't trust the crybaby antics of authoritarian regimes.
putcheeseonit@reddit
Amazing fanfiction
ThatHeckinFox@reddit
I mean, he is right. Russia has been threatening with nukes since day 1
ppmi2@reddit
I have heard a lot of people say this, do you have any source?
Herr_Tilke@reddit
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/02/us-russia-putin-ukraine-war-david-petraeus
https://www.politico.eu/article/china-xi-jinping-warns-vladimir-putin-not-to-use-nuclear-arms-in-ukraine-olaf-scholz-germany-peace-talks/
https://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/pm-modis-outreach-to-putin-helped-prevent-potential-nuclear-attack-on-ukraine-in-late-2022-cnn-report/articleshow/108370561.cms
ppmi2@reddit
So a former CIA director and not an actual figure of authority said that.
Herr_Tilke@reddit
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/09/us/politics/biden-nuclear-russia-ukraine.html?unlocked_article_code=1.SU4.qT5i.J4_cjTbkefNp&smid=url-share
ppmi2@reddit
Thats great dude, but in the link there is no thing of the alleged use of conventional weapons to wipe out Rusia presence in Ukraine, can you please post that one.
Herr_Tilke@reddit
You and I are not going to be privy to the details of an American response.
ppmi2@reddit
So no destruction off all Russian assets in Ukraine with conventional arms as claimed, glad the mith gets put down to rest.
Herr_Tilke@reddit
And where in my comment do I ever mention that?
ppmi2@reddit
Goldfish.
Herr_Tilke@reddit
Nowhere do I claim the "destruction of all Russian assets in Ukraine." You are fabricating a straw man.
I provided an excess of sources all backing up my position that it is in Russia's strategic interest to not use a nuclear weapon in Ukraine. You are providing zero response to that claim.
ppmi2@reddit
I do agree with the use of nuclear weapons being outside Russia's interest, it's just important to stomp into the ground false rumors.
Icy-Cry340@reddit
When?
TrumpsGrazedEar@reddit
https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/a-timeline-of-russias-nuclear-threats-against-the-west-947
They did.
Icy-Cry340@reddit
What a hilarious list by an official propaganda outlet run by the Ukrainian government full of absolute nonsense. “Putin hires a professor” is an item lmao.
Here is a better list of the supposed “red lines”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_lines_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
Pick one that has an immediate nuclear strike as a listed consequence.
TrumpsGrazedEar@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_risk_during_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
want wikipedia?
Icy-Cry340@reddit
I see you haven’t listed any specific transgression Russians were supposed to nuke us over.
TrumpsGrazedEar@reddit
i did.
Icy-Cry340@reddit
Pick one.
TrumpsGrazedEar@reddit
f16
Icy-Cry340@reddit
Let’s go into our handy list of red lines and look for a specific promised consequence.
Wow that seems very definitive.
Then there were some recent talk about how f16s are nuclear capable.
Wow, that means nothing at all.
TrumpsGrazedEar@reddit
Yeah bro. Whatever.
Do you support BLM?
Icy-Cry340@reddit
Not really, though neither do I buy the “burned liberal cities to the ground” propaganda from the other side. They’re grifters.
TrumpsGrazedEar@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_Black_Lives_Matter
how do you comment russia funding them?
Icy-Cry340@reddit
I can’t say I care very much either way tbh. Racial tensions in America was always a useful tool for the USSR and Russia, but I doubt they played a major role in anything that happened.
TrumpsGrazedEar@reddit
How do you feel about Greens?
Icy-Cry340@reddit
Hippies? Fuckem.
TrumpsGrazedEar@reddit
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-funding-green-groups-discredit-natural-gas-fracking-635052
How do you feel about Putins supporting Greens and anti-fracking?
Icy-Cry340@reddit
I can’t say that I am a big fan of fracking myself, despite hating hippies. Shit seems dirty.
TrumpsGrazedEar@reddit
Yes, but putin funds greens too...
how do you feel about trans movement?
Icy-Cry340@reddit
As a political party, the greens can’t take money from the Russians.
Don’t really care much about the trans movement one way or another.
TrumpsGrazedEar@reddit
But green NGOs do.
are you right or left winger?
Icy-Cry340@reddit
In San Francisco I’m almost a conservative, the rest of the country would call me fairly liberal. I am largely a centrist, albeit of the radical variety.
Disastrous-Bus-9834@reddit
And so then the Russians should know that using a nuke in Ukraine which would guarantee a US conventional response in which the Russians would have to response with nuclear war, and in turn would then get nukes themselves
Icy-Cry340@reddit
Just what sort of conventional response did we guarantee, and when did we guarantee it?
Disastrous-Bus-9834@reddit
We'll find out if Putin decides to drop a nuke.
Icy-Cry340@reddit
If we guaranteed something, it should be easy to find when we did it, and what we promised to do.
Disastrous-Bus-9834@reddit
Well then if Putin wants to find out then he will have to drop a nuke
Snaz5@reddit
This was also discussed in the meeting they had. Russia was calling americas bluff so diplomats “gave” them the promise of no strikes as leverage. The thing is we probably WOULD give up Ukraine for the sake of not retaliating with nukes and risking the literal apocalypse, and russia knows that. Threats of retaliation won’t work anymore. In fact the retaliation we did threaten if they went back on their deal was that we would respond with all CONVENTIONAL force, so even if they nuked some Ukrainian units, we wouldnt launch our own.
GalacticMe99@reddit
Since when do Russians need to be given justification to do anything?
Reddit_means_Porn@reddit
How about delivering on that promise turns the globe into a scrapyard?
GalacticMe99@reddit
Yes, that's what MAD means. Notice that in my hypothesis Russia is the first to use nukes, and thus triggering MAD.
Icy-Cry340@reddit
MAD won't be triggered if Russians toss a tactical nuke at some Ukrainian airbase. Nobody wants to get nuked over a disposable proxy like Ukraine. But we would prefer in that particular genie stays in the bottle anyhow, hence the purported deal.
Eexoduis@reddit
No I thought the US threatened to obliterate Russia via conventional means if they used nukes in UKR
throwawayerectpenis@reddit
Yeah that would result in US getting nuked lol
Icy-Cry340@reddit
When?
And why would Russia allow itself to be obliterated conventionally without launching nukes in the first place?
putcheeseonit@reddit
Some guy on reddit said so it must be true
Icy-Cry340@reddit
People have these extremely strong ideas about what us or the Russians promised to do in specific circumstances - but when you start digging you notice that things tend to be phrased in a more… diplomatic manner that is quite vague and non-commital.
For example when people talk about how US will destroy the BSF with cruise missiles they’re echoing the words of some retired bong general of some sort, forgetting that was just speculation by a person with no authority - a Western version of a Medvedev shitpost.
runsongas@reddit
yea, definitely a bad idea to set a precedent that nukes are back on the menu, because you know iran/israel and possibly pakistan/india are next up
Reddit_means_Porn@reddit
Hmm, my bad, I missed that the earlier comment was yours.
My comment was mostly pedantry anyway.
rowida_00@reddit
But you’re talking about the largest nuclear power in the world here. In the height of the Cold War, when both the USSR and the U.S. were arming and funding proxy wars to hurt each other’s interests, neither of them crossed the line of directly facilitating attacks on each others territories. So when you cross that line, you can’t blame anyone else for the repercussions of uncontrolled escalation but yourself.
Snaz5@reddit
They don’t need justification, but justification will make it much easier. If they just did for shits n giggles, everyone would probably turn on them, even china and north korea potentially. If they say they did it because USA broke a promise, than its more likely that other countries will be like “you promised” and still side with russia. It’s all dumb politics about countries not wanting to LOOK evil, even if they dont give a shit about actually being evil
Drake_the_troll@reddit
Implying they won't implode as soon as the red button is pressed
Paltamachine@reddit
An unreliable source with anti-Russian rhetoric.
My opinion is that this simply did not happen. Where are those soldiers, where are the interviews? There is nothing, because it didn't happen. It is not real.
axeteam@reddit
With you on this. If this is real, then I think they would absolutely use the first opportunity to show parade them off and have them act as propaganda. UA claims are just about as good as RU claims these days. Neither of which should be taken without a serious grain of salt.
Light_fires@reddit
Ol' Kim Jung let them out of their prison, of course they're going to flee. Give those poor fucks asylum, they'll be loyal as hell to whoever gives them quarter and real food.
northrupthebandgeek@reddit
What's this? Soldiers from North Korea, a country famous for its people being desperate to escape from it, taking the first opportunity they could to escape from it? How could anyone have seen this coming?
I wish the best for these 18 soldiers, and I hope it gives some of their "comrades" (be they Russian or Korean) inspiration to do the same.
xthorgoldx@reddit
To be fair, this is somewhat surprising. Typically, North Korea maintains a tight leash on their out-of-country folks by use of family hostages - if they run, their family will suffer for it. Hence why a lot of the defectors turn out to be folks who were already burned (criminals, either real or political) and had nothing left to lose.
donnydodo@reddit
Assuming this report is correct. The question is really how many troops are in Russia. If it is 100 then 18 is a large number. If it is 10,000 then it is .18%. Which is what can be expected.
mostard_seed@reddit
I hope their families can somehow avoid getting persecuted for this.
Makyr_Drone@reddit
About as likely as me wining the lottery three times in a row.
mostard_seed@reddit
well one can only hope for actual divine intervention at this point
Rindan@reddit
If that really is the deal, and I'm skeptical but don't entirely dismiss it, then I'd leave it to the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians are the ones that would have to deal with my consequences of having to eat nukes.
Personally, I'm 100% for giving Ukraine full agency in fighting their defense. It's their home that they are fighting to defend against an enemy they have known their entire existence. Advice and weapons are nice to share, but in the end is Ukraine that has to bleed to save Ukraine. Ukraine is the nation forced to endure the rapacious attention of their former imperial overlords. Let them decide how to deal with their murderous and grasping imperial neighbors.
Rindan@reddit
It's not surprising. North Korea has this problem with ALL staff working internationally. Diplomats, athletes, everyone.. and that's even after making death threats against their families. North Korea fucking sucks. It's not a Western propaganda trick. North Korea really does have borders where the guns point inward to prevent people escaping the hellish government the Kim dynasty has set up.
It's no shock that when sent to the hellish killing fields of Ukraine to help some other dictator murder and steal from their neighbor that they are not exactly loyal soldiers. Threatening to murder someone if they don't do what you tell them, and then telling them to do something awful, dangerous, and murderous, is not a way to inspire much loyalty.
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