AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU Reveal Date Could Spoil Arrow Lake's Launch Party | Retail availability not expected until November 7.

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Fishydeals@reddit

We might have to wait for the 9950x3d if it gets that cache on both dies with higher clocks. Then you can just disable one ccd if the cross ccd latencies still are a problem.

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kbailles@reddit

Yep, 9800x3d is the lower binned CPU's now. I'm planning to wait.

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StickyBandit_@reddit

I dont understand what you mean by this, can you explain? 9800x3d is the successor to the 7800x3d which everyone raved about for gaming, no? Or is your main focus not gaming?

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kbailles@reddit

It's lower binned than the 9900x3d and 9950x3d. This next generation the best binned chips are reserved for the higher tier chips.

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StickyBandit_@reddit

I still dont know what you mean by lower binned, sorry but I've never heard this term before. I thought that from everything leaked so far its an improvement over the 7800x3d

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So even though you get the same CPU, each one can actually be pushed slightly higher than others. If you get a chip that can be pushed near the 1% highs people say you got a strong binned chip. That’s all. An example is the 13900KF, it’s the best binned chips that are guaranteed to get very high speeds.

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elessarjd@reddit

Ok but if it performs well for what you need it for, what's the diff?

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Disturbed2468@reddit

More than 8 cores is very useful for lots of multitasking i.e. gaming and streaming at the same time. Even discord screaming some games will force my cpu to 100% and cause some occasional hitches cause the game devours my threads.

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BeefistPrime@reddit

Can you disable CCDs in windows or do you have to go to the bios/reboot to do that? If you gotta reboot that seems like too much hassle.

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Fishydeals@reddit

You can do it with Ryzen Master, but the pc needs to reboot for the changes to take effect. Or you bind your game to specific threads with thread lasso.

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Shogouki@reddit

Are there any serious issues Process Lasso?

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Tostecles@reddit

Probably very game-dependent. Some people have claimed to have positive results for CSGO for years on r/GlobalOffensive and more recently for CS2, however a dev commented about it and directly advised against it

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Shogouki@reddit

Huh, did the dev mention why exactly?

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Tostecles@reddit

I found it-

This is is less "don't do this" and more "here's why this could be a problem" than I remember https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/1dq471g/release_notes_for_06272024/lalux7w/

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Shogouki@reddit

Thanks!

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AllOutJay@reddit

Is 9950x3d and 9900x3d not coming out with the 9800x3d? 😩

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Fishydeals@reddit

The 9950x3d is rumored for q1 2025 while the 9800x3d is released early to compete with the new intel gen.

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AllOutJay@reddit

I am forever stuck in CPU purgatory then. I waited for the 9000 series to be disappointed, and then I waited for Arrow Lake to be disappointed again. My i7 8700k can only take so much.

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panix199@reddit

similar situation... but i think i will wait for the 10000 series. Next year there are only two games being released that would justify a huge PC upgrade for me...

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JordtasticBagel@reddit

I feel you there I've got the same CPU with a 3080 and it's bottlenecked me to all hell. I can't even stream half the games I play on Discord without everything becoming a stuttery mess.

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Berzerker7@reddit

Just go with a B650 board and a 7800X3D. It'll be cheaper and only be slightly worse than the 9800X3D.

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DiggingNoMore@reddit

My i7 6700k has been waiting a long time. But I'm thinking the 9900X is the way to go.

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OGigachaod@reddit

9900x is good as long your programs never need more than 6 cores, thanks to 6+6 CCX design, they are many cases where the single 8 core CCD wins.

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DiggingNoMore@reddit

That's the thing. I have no idea what uses a given quantity of cores. I just want to play games, compile code, edit videos, and do everything else as fast as possible.

I'm from an era in which Processor A is objectively better than Processor B. Introducing processors in which one 8s better at Task X and the other is better at Task Y doesn't work for me. I want to do every task and do them all fast. "Which one do you do most?" is of no help to me.

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Fishydeals@reddit

OC the SHIT out of that 8700k and just wait for the 7800x3d to get cheaper again or just buy the 9800x3d. It‘s an incredible upgrade that uses less power.

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CSFFlame@reddit

I mean, if you just raise the clocks on the 9800x3d to match, it's the same thing...

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SirCrest_YT@reddit

if the cross ccd latencies still are a problem.

Who's taking wagers

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_OVERHATE_@reddit

Would have to depend on price too, I might not need THAT much

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Fishydeals@reddit

Haha you can never have too much cpu power.

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INITMalcanis@reddit

No but you can spend an extra £300 on a better GPU instead...

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_OVERHATE_@reddit

I thought the same but I want to build on a Terra case mini itx so the high TDP CPUs are a concern

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Fishydeals@reddit

Oh that sounds neat! Makes sense. Thanks for explaining :)

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SirActionhaHAA@reddit

Then you can just disable one ccd

Also known as the rich man's solution, like a 4090 run at half tdp for noiseless operation. 👍🏻

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BeefistPrime@reddit

Mine too, if nothing unexpected comes up with it. Funny enough I'm upgrading from a 9700k. So I waited 4 years to get.... 100 more.

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Alamandaros@reddit

My next CPU as long as the price is decent, because it's impossible to find a 7800X3D :x

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Stennan@reddit

AMD is probably converting the 7800X3D packaging line (that "glues" the 3D cache to the die) into 9800X3D spec. They probably realize that gaming audience have little patience to pay 100$ more for 5% better performance which was the offering they gave us with vanilla zen 5

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shihori@reddit

Same here! Will be upgrading from an Intel 9700k and going AMD for the first time.

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_OVERHATE_@reddit

I'm goin from a 7700k!

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MixtureBackground612@reddit

Your gonna have to wait

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Sylanthra@reddit

Based on leaks so far Ryzen 9800x3d will be (at best) 5% faster than 7800x3d and Arrow Lake will (at best) match 14th gen but at lower power consumption. I am not sure which one of them is throwing a launch party but I am not really looking forward to either.

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BeefistPrime@reddit

Wasn't the rumor that 9800x3d would run at the same clocks as the non-x3d chips? Even ignoring any IPC gains just a few hundred mhz higher clocks should be more than 5% faster.

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WHY_DO_I_SHOUT@reddit

The Cinebench leak showed 9800X3D only reaching 5,2 GHz.

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BeefistPrime@reddit

That's a little disappointing but 7800x3d is 4.8, right? 400mhz is an 8% boost which is not insignificant.

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WHY_DO_I_SHOUT@reddit

7800X3D hits 5,0 GHz. So yeah, apparently 9800X3D brings a mere 200MHz boost.

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ConsistencyWelder@reddit

7800X3D hits 5,0 GHz

That's not the all core boost.

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WHY_DO_I_SHOUT@reddit

AFAIK, AMD (unlike Intel) doesn't even have a concept of "all-core boost". They allow clock speed of every core to float as high as temperature allows, even all the way to the boost clock if possible.

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ConsistencyWelder@reddit

But we both know that you're suggesting that all cores can boost that high, which is not the case. Only a few can, which was the point.

You're not being intellectually honest here.

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WHY_DO_I_SHOUT@reddit

This comment claims 9800X3D's 5,2 GHz has been measured in Cinebench's "preparing" stage and that 7800X3D hits 5,0 GHz in all cores during that stage.

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ConsistencyWelder@reddit

Not sure who that is, or where he draws this info from. But if we're in doubt what kind of clock speeds we should expect from the 9800X3D we can just look at the 9700X. It'll be very similar or identical, so about 300mhz higher than the 7800X3D, boost speeds will to some extent depend on the binning, but I doubt they'll be using the worse binned chips for their halo part.

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HypocritesEverywher3@reddit

5% at best over 7800x3d is a bit pessimistic I think

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input_r@reddit

If the 9700x is only 4% faster than 7700 why would it be pessimistic?

https://youtu.be/JfQwWQBhoqE?si=UWfn-iCgLqAMujZf&t=521

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BeefistPrime@reddit

Rumors are that they have a better way to mount or cool the 3d cache which allows x3d to run at the same clock speeds as the non-x3d components which means something like a 10% gain in clocks in addition to the 5% generational IPC upgrade.

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Atheist-Gods@reddit

The theory from people analyzing the zen 5 chips is that the 3d cache will be two layers instead of one, which means it wont overlap the L2 cache and keeps it further from the actual cores. Worse thermally for the L3 cache itself but that doesn’t seem to be the issue.

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Geddagod@reddit

Would potentially have a higher latency too, couldn't it?

I would be surprised if AMD has done anything as drastic as having 2 V-cache layers tbh, but who knows.

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Atheist-Gods@reddit

It could but the z height changes are small relative to the distances already being traveled and so while it is a limiting factor for multilayer chip design long term, it may not matter yet.

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Atheist-Gods@reddit

The reports are that the 9800x3d doesn’t have to make the clock sacrifices that the 7800x3d had to, meaning that it should have a larger generational jump than the 9700x did.

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Richie_jordan@reddit

Didn't msi leaks come out that had it between 3-11% with 5% being the avg of games tested.

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ConsistencyWelder@reddit

ased on leaks so far, Ryzen 9800x3d will be (at best) 5% faster than 7800x3d

That's not what has been leaked.

To my knowledge there's been 2 Cinebench leaks, one says +20% ST and +30% MT, the other says 24%ST and 37% MT.

There has been no credible gaming leaks yet, only some that don't really test the CPU but the GPU (Like Black Myth Wukong with full Raytracing).

It's impossible for it to be only 5% faster in games though, not sure why you say 5% faster at best. The IPC uplift from Zen 4 to Zen 5 is 5% in games, but the clock speeds will be a good bit higher this time. So 5% is out of the question. My guess is closer to 10% average, but that's just a guess from some random stranger on the internet.

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scytheavatar@reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1g1mgf9/ryzen_9000x3d_leaked_by_msi_via_hardwareluxx/

In summary, the 9800X3D is 2-13% faster in the games tested (Farcry 6, Shadow of the tomb raider and Black Myth: Wukong) vs the 7800X3D and the 9950X3D is up to 2-13% faster.

This is with non final silicon so I am not sure how you conclude that "at best 5% faster" from.

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basil_elton@reddit

13% faster in Far Cry 6 sets an upper bound on the gains you may get on average.

Because Far Cry 6 is one of the few games that show a relatively bigger uplift from Zen 4 to Zen 5 compared to other games.

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scytheavatar@reddit

13% > 5%

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basil_elton@reddit

And? Any single data point from a set of data is either greater than, or less than, or equal to the average.

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INITMalcanis@reddit

I believe his point is that "at best" doesn't mean "the average".

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Alternative-Sky-1552@reddit

Well none of those fps amounts are realistic so I wouldnt pay much attention to that. Which setting will have these best of the best cpus limited at 60 fps? The game would be unplayable mess then.

9800x3d leaked multicore performance tho, which indicates the new x3d are clocked closer to non-3d as before. So I would assume bit over 10%.

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Yommination@reddit

Only 3 games, 1 of which is GPU bound and one of which is so ancient it shouldn't even be tested anymore

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Crimveldt@reddit

Our 7800X3D's will throw birthday parties instead.

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JonWood007@reddit

And my 12900k, which is just a 245k now lol.

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FinalBase7@reddit

It could've ruined both parties if it still had stock

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JonWood007@reddit

This.

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ebnight@reddit

I care more about a comparison to the 5800X3D, since thats what I would be upgrading from.

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steve09089@reddit

I mean, it definitely will.

I doubt Arrow Lake will get the gaming performance crown with the X3D around since it just matches Raptor Lake, and Arrow Lake will probably just match Zen 5 in multi-threading applications.

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masterfultechgeek@reddit

Does the "gaming performance crown" even matter these days?

Last I checked titles where frame rates matter are either in 200+ FPS territory OR they're basically tied between CPUs because a RTX 4090 isn't fast enough to make a huge difference.

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FinalBase7@reddit

Core ultra 7 is 5% slower than 14900k which should put it above all normal Zen 5 CPUs (even after updates), I just hope the Core U5 245k isn't gimped because if it could match 14700k that seals the deal for the mid range, most people don't really pay 450 or 500 for a CPU especially when buying a gaming PC, that's a ridiculous concept for most tbh, putting that money into a GPU is better for 95% of cases.

Worst case scenario the 9600X gets forced into a lower price bracket which is still good.

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JonWood007@reddit

Even $300 for a cpu is an investment.

Also the 245k is basically like...my 12900k with faster (raptor lake) tier single thread so....it's a 14600k I guess?

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FinalBase7@reddit

That would suck balls. 14600k is not even that inefficient.

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Arbiter02@reddit

I’m quietly hoping arrowlake will have a lot more overlocking headroom than we’ve gotten used to but that may very well be in vain

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JonWood007@reddit

If the 285k is similar to a 14900k I think that's basically what you're gonna get from the i5 equivalent.

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xylopyrography@reddit

? Raptor lake is ~10% faster multi-thread than Zen 5.

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Atheist-Gods@reddit

Benchmarks have the 7950x ahead of the 14900k. The 14700k is ahead of the 7900x and 7700x but the absolute top spot belings to AMD.

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Plebius-Maximus@reddit

No it isn't.

A 14900k is not consistently 10% faster than a 9950x. They vary depending on tasks, but I'm pretty sure aggregate benchmarks have the 9950x ahead.

So I'm not sure where you get your info

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rationis@reddit

Claiming Raptor Lake is 10% faster than Zen4 when it's not even faster than Zen4 is pretty wild. Not sure where people come up with that, the benchmarks have been out for a year.

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ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit

Zen 5 or zen 4? Because Raptor lake is faster than Zen4

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rationis@reddit

No it ins't

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rationis@reddit

No it isn't, the exact opposite is true

Raptor Lake isn't even 10% faster than Zen4, it's tied.

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starkillerzx@reddit

I have a 13900k and absolutely no real reason to swap. Howver the insane power usage, my lack of trust in Intel, and the slower performance make m want to grab this and sell my current Intel stuff.

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SolaceInScrutiny@reddit

I switched from 13900K to 7950x3D. Yes it uses like 1/2 the power under gaming loads and as a result heats my room up less (primary goal) but I've just had strange issues with AM5. For example, weird stuff happens when waking from sleep, the solution is don't use sleep so instead I wait 3 minutes for it to boot.

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gingeydrapey@reddit

I have a decade old PC and it still boots in 20 seconds. If you're not lying, which you probably are, you've seriously fucked something up.

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SolaceInScrutiny@reddit

It's pretty normal. The board is training memory on every boot and taking forever to post. Enabling memory context restore cuts it down a bit but AM5 is known for notoriously long boot times.

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Acedread@reddit

Nah 3 mins isn't normal. My boot times are 30-40 seconds max.

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ishsreddit@reddit

Mine says 14 seconds, but im on a 7700x

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gingeydrapey@reddit

Does AMD take longer to boot than intel?

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ConsistencyWelder@reddit

The board is training memory on every boot and taking forever to post.

That bug was fixed a while ago.

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Rainbows4Blood@reddit

That was fixed a while ago.

It's only fixed if you turn on Memory Context Restore. Which I noticed that ASUS still leaves it off by default. Dunno about other manufacturers, but I think MSI does not.

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WHY_DO_I_SHOUT@reddit

Hm, that's strange. Memory context restore eliminates the memory training time entirely on my PC most of the time (Ryzen 7800X3D, ASRock B650E PG Riptide)

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BlueJay--@reddit

Is your bios up to date, my buddy had a similar issue with sleep mode and long boot times.

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ConsistencyWelder@reddit

3 minutes to boot? Something is seriously wrong with the way you configured your PC.

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InconspicuousRadish@reddit

The insane power usage wasn't a factor when you bought a 13900k?

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starkillerzx@reddit

If you look at my other comment, you can see why I barely factored it in lol.

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StarbeamII@reddit

Considering Intel warranty doesn’t cover used CPUs good luck getting anything for that on the used market

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starkillerzx@reddit

Honestly with how crazy a deal I got on my PC I’d probably still profit. 4090+13900k build from some rich kid for $2k total back in Jan 2023.

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multi_singularity@reddit

Wow. Can you give me the contacts? Need a new one :-)

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Owlface@reddit

People who are planning to upgrade to 9800x3d - are you guys going for B650/E boards or actually splurging for X870/E?

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NoAirBanding@reddit

ASrock X870 RS is ~$200

Decent B650E boards are ~$200

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StarbeamII@reddit

According to the manual for that board you lose the second PCI-E slot if you use the second m.2 slot, and lose 2 of the 4 SATA ports if you use the third m.2 slot. Lot of lanes going to the mandated USB4 ports

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StickyBandit_@reddit

Why not X670E? My thinking is USB4 is not really necessary, PCIE 5 compatible on both gpu and m.2 so it kinda seems like a good middle ground with room for the future.

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NoAirBanding@reddit

I’ve been looking over the AM5 spreadsheet trying to find a different board, but they ALL have some random compromises.

Oh that one looks….oh it’s $350

What about, no, the sound card is on the usb bus

No optical audio port

This one is even weirder with its use this port and another is disabled/half-speed….

AM5 is whack yo.

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Tostecles@reddit

Can you link the spreadsheet you're talking about? Sorry if it's common knowledge

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NoAirBanding@reddit

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NQHkDEcgDPm34Mns3C93K6SJoBnua-x9O-y_6hv8sPs/

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StarbeamII@reddit

For AM5 you HAVE to look at the motherboard manual before you buy if you're doing anything more than 1 graphics card and 1 m.2 drive. You get into a lot of weird tradeoffs because of the lack of PCI-E lanes.

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Exist50@reddit

I doubt those are tradeoffs for most people. How many people use >1 PCIe slot or 3 M.2 drives and >2 SATA? Surely there's someone out there, but it's not going to affect a typical gaming PC.

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Owlface@reddit

I actually asked because I'm one of those rare people and I was getting annoyed looking at the PCIE lane caveats. I'm still on Z490 right now running 1 nvme, 2 sata ssd, and 2 mechanical for back up and long term storage.

A simple workaround is to buy larger capacity storage drives and consolidate them but it feels wasteful to buy newer storage when the current stuff works fine.

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StarbeamII@reddit

Then why have a full-size ATX motherboard and populate it with slots if half the features are going to get disabled?

There's plenty of people who do streaming or multimedia work where they need a lot of storage (SATA) and need a second PCI-E slot for a capture card. If they want a second m.2 drive then they're basically screwed out of half their SATA ports or out of that PCI-E slot.

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Exist50@reddit

Then why have a full-size ATX motherboard and populate it with slots if half the features are going to get disabled if you use the other half?

Good question. ATX doesn't really make sense as the default these days, but it is regardless. Additionally, there're probably a number of people who's use one subset of those features, just not all at once.

There's plenty of people who do streaming or multimedia work where they need a lot of storage (SATA) and need a second PCI-E slot for a capture card

I think "lot of people" is stretching it. That's absolutely a minority. And even if you look at people who do stream, most are probably using OBS/ShadowPlay/etc. M.2 drives can also be quite large capacity these days, plus, if you'd doing media work, you might have a NAS for bulk storage.

But sure, there's going to be someone out there for whom this isn't enough. Then they'll just need to pick from dozens of other boards. Don't see a reason why a budget board has to accomodate every possible use case.

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StarbeamII@reddit

I think my issue is that it’s a huge pitfall on X870 boards to have to do all this because of a pack of PCI-E lanes. Someone’s going to see the picture of the full ATX board and see the specs sheet with 3 m.2 slots, 2 PCI-E slots, and 4 SATA ports and assume all of them are usable when they very much aren’t , and you won’t know unless you read a motherboard manual or watch a 3-hour buildzoid video or something.

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Exist50@reddit

I see where you're coming from there. Definitely a potential customer support headache, because that's rarely well advertised. People expect slots to just work. I remember hearing stories about workstation vendors hating e.g. 4ch CPUs in 8ch sockets because people would try to populate the remainder and call pissed when it didn't work.

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DeCiWolf@reddit

ASrock X870 RS is ~$200

If only it came in black

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StickyBandit_@reddit

Why not X670e?

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Tostecles@reddit

I can follow CPU discussion pretty well but get lost with mobo talk. I'm usually happy to just throw money into ~~the incinerator~~ performance, but don't understand what's at stake with the new motherboards. Kinda shocked at how much new boards can cost though. I'm used to paying like $250 and everything I've glanced at is like $600 or more, it seems.

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BeefistPrime@reddit

Do B650 boards need to be flashed to recognize the new CPU?

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Owlface@reddit

If you're buying or already have an older board before the bios with the new CPU support is flashed at the factory most likely yes.

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Look_Ma_N0_Handz@reddit

Been riding out my i7 8700k. Think this chip will be the one to get me to upgrade.

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ExtensionPhrase4619@reddit

My return windows for 7800x3d ends on the 21st, should I just return the 425$ purchase and wait 3 weeks?

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Photeos_Akasha@reddit

I would.

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funny_lyfe@reddit

Might as well get the 9800x3d if you want to spend so much. Should be 0-10% faster depending on the game.

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pmjm@reddit

For $425 I would, that's significantly higher than the original msrp.

You can always buy it back if the rumor ends up being wrong. But don't get your hopes up, it's only likely to be marginally faster than what you've got.

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Photeos_Akasha@reddit

I have the i7 - 8700k, and I am waiting patiently for the new ryzen x3D CPUs to arrive.

I hope I won't cry over my spent money since my current CPU performs as expected.

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conquer69@reddit

The 7800x3d is already faster and likely more power efficient.

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Solaris_fps@reddit

Well intel have already stated that arrow lake is slower than 14900k at least they are being honest about the launch. AMD would have made some weird benchmark graphs like they did from the 9 series lol.

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szczszqweqwe@reddit

Let's wait for reviews, sure it seems that Intel is honest, but they might still be overpromising, for example ARL might be 20% slower than 14900k.

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Alternative-Sky-1552@reddit

No way. Arrow lake is on better node, so it will win that. The 250w for arrow lake is mostly the faster clocked E-cores now, which dont do much while gaming.

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conquer69@reddit

The 14900k pulls 3 times the power of the 7800x3d while gaming. 50w vs 150w. Arrow Lake cutting that in half while dropping 5% performance, would still make it like 15% slower while pulling 75w.

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mrchuckbass@reddit

But it isn't though is it. I guess the 5800x3d is better than the 7800x3d too?

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conquer69@reddit

I meant over Arrow Lake.

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Early_Highway_3779@reddit

8700k user here! It's time to renew all my setup... i'm 90% into gaming so... I guess i will get the 9800X3D, right? Waiting for reviews and official prices...

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Top_Information3534@reddit

not expecting zen 5 3d to be much better, unless the clock speed increases unlike the other regular zen 5 chips

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Select_Truck3257@reddit

no, thanks, am5 setup is still expensive in my country

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Drewbacca__@reddit

Gonna feast on a microcenter combo

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JonWood007@reddit

Unless you're going 9800x3d might as well just buy now. Arrow lake ain't gonna be cheap. Heck they brought back the 7800x3d combo for $600. No point on waiting.

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Drewbacca__@reddit

I planned on 9800x3d

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Snobby_Grifter@reddit

I feel like Arrowlake's launch is already spoiled. 7800x3d is going for $549 now, so that's a no go. Supply limited and priced to hell.

Zen 5 was a bust, but the 9800x3d is practically the only light on the pc gaming horizon, assuming AMD doesn't raise its MSRP to suite current trends.

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BeefistPrime@reddit

Yeah I don't think they're targeting intel, they're just targeting the whimper of the zen 5 launch. They know no one is excited about the regular 9000 series and anyone who's buying is buying the x3d chips anyway, so you might as well get them out there. They're not gonna be able to double dip by making people buy 9000 non-x3d and then x3d if no one is buying the non-x3d in the first place.

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Weddedtoreddit2@reddit

I bought a used 7800x3D last December for 320 eur and I overpaid for the time.

Right now though, damn it's looking like a hell of a deal.

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Glum-Sea-2800@reddit

Even 9700x is only €20 less than the launch price of 265k, x3d will be priced too high.

I'm going 265k from 5800x.

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Americanrustedout@reddit

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-7800X3D-16-Thread-Processor/dp/B0BTZB7F88

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1soooo@reddit

Retailers and AMD is not dumb, $549 for the 7800x3d is foreshadowing. 9800x3d is going to be overpriced but still sold out in minutes

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JonWood007@reddit

Oh hey zen +5% strikes again vs intel -2.85%. What ever will I do?

(Stick with what I have)

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Oily-Olive@reddit

Amd should make the Ryzen 9 9999X9D a thing

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kuddlesworth9419@reddit

I would really like it but I think I'm going to wait a little longer to see what the higher core count CPu's are like. It needs to last me 10 years ish so I figure 12+ cores would be a good idea.

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GODCRIEDAFTERAMDMSRP@reddit

scAMDEON what hat happened to 7800x3d stock? 469EUR? limit your stock so ppl have no other choice to get 9800x3d for 600EUR ? how about no? I rather get intel.

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Gambler_720@reddit

AMD has had the best gaming CPU in the market for over a year now and that is going to continue to be the case for the next 2 years at least. Why shouldn't they charge a premium for such a halo product? If anything AMD had priced the 7800X3D too low when it was routinely available for $350. Like it was great for consumers but an odd choice from a business point of view.

Do you also boycott Nvidia for how much they charge for a 4090? AMD CPU division isn't even like that. There are plenty of other more affordable CPUs which are totally adequate for gaming. Oh and the 9800X3D is NOT going to cost $600 in any universe.

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einmaldrin_alleshin@reddit

Why shouldn't they charge a premium for such a halo product?

Because most people will want to pay a price that is in line with actual performance gains. Also, unlike the Intel KS skus, AMD can make them for a low price at scale.

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Gambler_720@reddit

They already don't. The 7800X3D has NEVER been worth the price difference compared to the 7600 but yet has been selling like hot cakes.

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basil_elton@reddit

Except, the X3D being the best, isn't even nearly the same as the 4090 being the best.

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Gambler_720@reddit

It's going to get closer this gen to that situation as Intel flagship is slower than the 14900K where as the 9800X3D will at worst be slightly faster than the 7800X3D. So the gap between the best of Intel and AMD is probably going to be wider this gen than it has ever been before.

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basil_elton@reddit

Yes.

The gap, instead of being 5 to 6%, might become 7 to 8 percent (if you remain sceptical until the products are actually reviewed) to 8-10%, if you are a bit more optimistic.

Which is obviously the same as the 4090 gapping the 7900 XTX by at least 30% when GPU bound, averaging across all reviews.

Not to mention that the perception of the gap in performance among two CPUs in gaming is manifestly different based on lots of different factors.

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Gambler_720@reddit

The gap is more likely going to be 15%. The new Core 9 is slower than the last i9 where as the new X3D is faster than the old X3D. Doesn't take much at all for a 5% gap to become 15% when walking in the opposite direction.

But ya still not quite a 4090.

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basil_elton@reddit

The new Core 9 is slower than the last i9

Except it isn't.

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