4K gaming 7900 XT vs 4070 TI Super
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I play mainly Warhammer 3 and WoW on PC and needed a 4k graphics card for my tv (I don’t have room for a monitor).
I was looking at 4070 TI super $755.99 or 7900 xt $669.99
As long as I get 4k 60 (I don’t care about RT) on medium-high settings I’m happy. Not sure which to choose
ProfessionalGenju@reddit
This comparison applies to most AMD and NVIDIA gpus at your price point:
In general, most youtube channels will recommend you to buy AMD GPUs for your specific use case and price point, unless you REALLY want the NVIDIA specific features (DLSS, Ray Tracing) or you want the best (RTX 4090, which is not the case).
NOTE1: Unreal Engine 5 is getting really popular, and it does run better on NVIDIA than AMD, since it often uses lumen, which uses a "built-in Ray Tracing"
NOTE2: None of the 2 GPUs are bad, buy the one you can afford, or the one with a better deal at your location and enjoy!
NOTE3: If you are someone worried about AMD Drivers not working, this ain't 2018 anymore.
NOTE4: This is mostly my opinion, shared with man youtubers. Be free to comment and disagree, after all, we all have different tastes and experiences with previous hardware.
OfAnOldRepublic@reddit
In what way is Nvidia a "no-brainer" for productivity?
abcmecba@reddit
Because AMD gpus are poorly supported in productivity software/fields.
OfAnOldRepublic@reddit
Examples?
"Productivity" covers a wide area, so if they are poorly supported for software that's not relevant to me, it makes a big difference.
abcmecba@reddit
Fair enough and understandable. I just think productivity support increases the 'value' of the gpu - but, that's my opinion/perspective - no one is forced to concur on that. It's just my own personal evaluation of things.
As for what I mean by productivity - I mean any software that isn't gaming-oriented - video editing, gpucompute, AI/ML etc. etc. - and the specific software I care about - all video editing software - Davinci Resolve, Photoshop - all (incl. Premiere Pro), Blender, Stable Diffusion. If you don't care about any of those - you are 100% right - then, an AMD gpu that is (potentially) cheaper and offers the features you want /are okay with - FSR3 etc. is sufficient and so forth - yu might conclude that an AMD gpu is a better 'deal' and go with that. That's fine and understandable - but, for me - the reading I have done on gaming leads me to conclude that it's pretty much a wash - depending on perspective - and then it's just about the hierarchy/tiers of cards - and price - if the nvidia gpu is same price or slightly move - I'd go for the nvidia gpu regardless of whether you are using it for productivity - because I consider the 'value' to be higher (because of the programs/options I previously mentioned above).
(The amd gpu would have to be sufficiently cheaper - even as a a purely-gaming gpu - for me to pick it over a comparable nvidia gpu).
I hope I presented my reasoning sufficiently - just my two cents.
OfAnOldRepublic@reddit
Yes, what you're saying makes total sense, and thank you for the examples.
And obviously, a part that meets your needs is going to be more valuable to you.
My point is simply that a part is not objectively more valuable to everyone because it performs better for certain niche software.
BobtheArcher2018@reddit
I think the jury is definitely out on DLSS vs. FSR frame gen. I see a lot of conflicting opinions, even among the informed.
kanakalis@reddit
and 16gb vram on the 4070ti super is barely enough? lol this guy seems to copy paste and swap the gpu numbering. 16gb is the sweet spot right now.
BobtheArcher2018@reddit
Nvidia pricing is not totally arbitrary. There are reasons for the crazy price jumps for limited raw rasterization improvement % when you get past 4070. Those frames are very valuable, as is the Nvidia suite, as are VRAM thresholds, etc. Yeah, Nvidia could be less extortative, but there are reasons players do pay in the end. Unhappily or not.
That said, I hear various arguments about AMD vs. Nvidia frame gen. Not sure what to believe at the moment. I guess, at the least, Nvidia cards can do either.
AScruffyHamster@reddit
Finally someone that doesn't work for User Benchmark
Bryzzzle@reddit
Does FSR provide the same increase in FPS as DLSS? Wondering because I mostly see people comparing the quality not so much the performance.
R3xz@reddit
It's ahead in both, I don't have much experience in 4k though.
Geohfunk@reddit
FPS will be close between DLSS and FSR. The upscaling itself is only a small part of the frame time.
ishsreddit@reddit
There are ton of people with AMD hate boners and those who irrationally like them too much, so its nice being able to find someone else that acknowledges the ups/downs.
With RDNA3 we have seen AMD deliver up to 24% performance improvements in a couple of games. They have been sorta late delivering optimal performance. I know helldivers 2 got a massive performance bump sometime in april or may but its more so because RDNA gpu's were missing so much performance. Not exactly sure if thats the case with UE5/Ubisoft's engine though.
whycantidoaspace@reddit
Its probably because most of gpu discussion is around gaming where amd is just better unless you really want ray tracing (IMO dlss is kinda a moot point because you often get so much more horsepower that you get similar frames without frame gen compared to the rtx counterpart with frame gen quality)
midnightmiragemusic@reddit
Still not worth it over the 4070 Ti Super.
ishsreddit@reddit
At the same price sure, but when the XT is $630 or less than $600 after newegg's affirm while the ti super is $750+ then they aren't even in the same price bracket no more.
Patatostrike@reddit
Both will do 4k 60 high settings fine, if raytracing isn't something you care about might as well save money and get more vram with the 7900XT.
shaanuja@reddit
Neither of those cards will do 4k 60 in WoW raids.
Antique_Cranberry265@reddit
Don't you guys turn down settings so you can see AOE effects easier anyways? Doesn't seem like most RAID-friendly setups actually WANT to run at 4K max settings, in which case you're probably fine with a much lower tier card to begin with
shaanuja@reddit
Even with optimized raid set up. Is much lower tier card better then? No, are you going to get same mileage going up in card tiers? Also No. it’s definitely a more CPU bound environment than GPU, but you still need good GPU especially going up higher in resolution/shaders etc.
Antique_Cranberry265@reddit
Well he's only trying to compare two cards in the $700-750 bracket, I'm asking if it's even necessary, not "will a worse card perform worse", obviously it will, but he may be shooting for the moon when he only needs to hit the water tower.
shaanuja@reddit
I used to run 2080ti (with a 10700k)till the 7800x3s+ 4080, last raid tier was unbearable, dropping below 10fps at times.
Antique_Cranberry265@reddit
Oh my God, lol. I stand corrected, WoW's gotten severely bloated then
noeagle77@reddit
I still run a 780ti and I raid just fine. It’s not optimal by any means but it definitely works fine.
Antique_Cranberry265@reddit
I was gonna say, worst case you don't NEED to run 4K on a 4K television, it's just optimal since most 1080p signals get processed to shit and look terrible, but even 1440p on a 4K television looks sharp n fine to me
Jigawattts@reddit
What are you running now?
_Kinchouka_@reddit
Quite surprised. I thought that x3d cpu were a big boost for WoW. Did Blizzard changed something?
SkullCapHero@reddit
As a 7900xt owner and WoW player, here's a different reason to consider the 4070ti - AMD GPUs have random crashes in Blizzard games.
I like my 7900xt, it runs WoW incredibly well most of the time. I play on 1440p most of the time, but I do have a 4k monitor so I can confirm at medium to high settings you can get solid fps with the 7900xt - you will need to drop down from the max settings to ensure constant 60 frames at 4k in cities, battlegrounds, and raids, but in most content I see a solid 60+ frames per second, even at 4k. WoW isn't all that hard to run and if your CPU is up to the task you can get really high frames in the game.
That said, when I first got the card running WoW, it crashed randomly a lot. There are known issues with AMD drivers and Blizzard games that are mostly fixed, but still rear up now and again. I found it was much worse running WoW on dx12. I run the game on dx11 mode - but it's not a big deal missing out on WoW's rather rudimentary implementation of ray tracing, even if the 7900xt does quite well on the ray traced shadows.
I will defend AMD's driver support most of the time; it's far from the bad old days of 10 years ago in that field, but in WoW and Starcraft 2 I have had issues with AMD driver timeout errors that occasionally cause the whole system to freeze. If you do go for the 7900xt be aware you may need to do some troubleshooting in WoW specifically to ensure the drivers don't crash your game.
In most games, everything runs perfectly fine and smooth on the 7900xt. Even in other MMOs like FF14 I have no issues. But because you mention WoW specifically, I wanted to let you know about those driver issues I, and other people, have had running Blizzard games on AMD hardware.
noeagle77@reddit
I am planning on getting the 7900XT and my main game is wow. How much of an issue is the driver situation you mentioned? I’m kinda worried now that you mentioned that
SkullCapHero@reddit
From personal experience, it's mostly an issue on DX12. Once I switched the version to DX11 I very rarely encounter the issue - less than once a month. I recall reading in one of the driver updates that AMD is aware of issues in some Blizzard games - so theoretically it should be fixed, if not now then soon.
As far as how bad the crashes were, typically what would happen is I would get a black screen, the pc would freeze up for a few seconds before returning to the desktop with an AMD error message - something along the lines of driver time out. WoW would crash completely and close.
You can search on google "amd driver crash world of warcraft" and see it's rather widespread on 7000 series cards. Blizzard even acknowledged there's an issue in DX12 mode about a year ago on the official forums.
Again, in my personal experience after switching to dx11 mode I haven't encountered more than 1 or 2 crashes in the year I've had the 7900xt, and it is very specific to WoW and occasionally SC2.
Honestly, while I do like the 7900xt, if WoW is where you do the majority of your gaming I would recommend going with an Nvidia card - if only to give yourself the peace of mind that you won't have a random driver timeout during a moment where people are counting on you. There are ways to fix it, an AMD support subreddit has posts from as recently as this week talking about how to fix the issue, but if you just want to plug and play without having to worry, a 4070 or better would get you great performance in WoW without any headaches.
noeagle77@reddit
Honestly I appreciate you so so much! I’m finally building a pc as a little gift to myself for my recent good news regarding my leukemia. The last thing I want is to finally build it and the main game I play having issues with the card. I will definitely be looking up the equivalent of the 7900xt for Nvidia cards. Thanks so much for taking the time to explain this all to me!
abcmecba@reddit
Probably the 4070 Ti Super like the OP compared. You could also see what used 4080s are priced at in your region?
I'd take a *comparable* nvidia gpu every time, myself - as I mostly want it for productivity - and for gaming - they seem comparable or 'equivalent' - in that features are more or less on par on most things - except for the drivers issue on AMD gpus - and AMD gpus are usually run with higher power consumption - at least, when you compare the 40 series and RDNA 3 cards (the higher tiers, anyway).
rocketchatb@reddit
DXVK usually works better than DX11 on AMD cards for WoW.
f1rstx@reddit
4070 Ti Super offers way better performance since you can use DLSS Performance and FSR is unusable at those settings.
OutlandishnessOk4032@reddit
Fanboy with biased opinion detected. AMD can do the same.
f1rstx@reddit
Whatever you say mate, but i'm not fanboy, believe it or not, i like good products. I have no problem with AMD CPUs for instance, even though i almost always used INTEL CPUs since 286 (only AMD cpu i had was Athlon XP 3200+) and used i7 8700 until i purchased R7 7700. But AMD gpus is outdated tech with nothing of value, RTX 4000 cards are simply much better products at every tier of cards: 4060 is better than 7600 (both trash tbh), 4070/4070S are both better than 7800XT/7900GRE, 4070Ti Super is waaaaaaaay better than 7900XT and sometimes very close to 7900XTX, 4080S and 4090 are both got no competition at all. I don't care what AMD fanboys in this echo chamber thinks, every user is better with NVIDIA gpu and there is litteraly 0 reason to buy AMD card (and noone is buying it in real world, their marketshare is dropping), personally i'd rather have Nvidia card + DLSS Quality instead of AMD card at native with same fps.
Stargate_1@reddit
4070S better than 7800XT
Yeah by like 5% while costing 25% more LOL
M4jkelson@reddit
Nice joke, now can we talk about facts?
f1rstx@reddit
ye, feel free to show me FPS numbers in recent titles? :D
ishsreddit@reddit
I have seen this repeated over and over again without any actual detail. For those who are wondering, he is referring to SH2 and Outlaws. Wukong is a bit less then optimal too but not too bad.
So yeah, its a very few number of titles. My suggestion for people is just google the performance of the game in question. If it doesn't look good for AMD then just go for RTX.
If you already got an AMD gpu and tryna play SH2/Outlaws just play with FSR+AFMF2/FSR3 FG and you would be quite surprised how nitpicky most of the feedback actually is.
M4jkelson@reddit
Sure, look them up there are tests on YouTube. You can fanboy all you want, but if those are the titles he plays and he doesn't care about RT then Radeon for almost 100$ less is the better deal. Especially when FSR3.1 and FMF2 are much better than previous versions and not much worse than DLSS.
Antenoralol@reddit
Nice joke, neither of the games the OP has mentioned supports DLSS.
Little-Equinox@reddit
AMD can do FSR3 Framegen + Fluid Motion, if that's what you like ofcoarse 😅
f1rstx@reddit
it's terrible in comparison
Antique_Cranberry265@reddit
Someone hasn't been comparing DLSS3.5 to FSR3.0 lately in titles. It's actually debatable now, in stuff like The First Descendant, honestly both take a graphical hit when enabling frame gen, and FSR looks better on AMD than it does on Nvidia. Nvidia doesn't give you the option to try on AMD platforms, so I'd actually say DLSS3.5 is terrible in comparison.
f1rstx@reddit
imagine saying something this wrong with a straight face, incredible
Little-Equinox@reddit
Well, the advantages of FSR3 is you can use it even on an RX5000 series and RTX2000 series GPU, DLSS3 works only on the Nvidia 40 series GPU, so people rocking a 3060 can't even benefit from DLSS3 and Framegen, they have to rely on FSR3 Framegen.
f1rstx@reddit
all 2000-3000 GPUs can use DLSS 3.7.
Little-Equinox@reddit
The question is then, will DLSS4 be supported on the RTX 4070 bullcrap of words and abbreviations?
f1rstx@reddit
no idea what DLSS4 going to be, but FSR4 won't be supported by RX6000 cards and maybe even RX7000 ;)
Little-Equinox@reddit
FSR4 is gonna take the XeSS approach, on GPUs with the AI cores it will use AI based upscaling, on GPUs that don't have it it'll use algorithm based upscaling.
Little-Equinox@reddit
AFMF2 is pretty good though, and works in every DX11, DX12 and most Vulkan titles.
But unlike DLSS3 Framegen and FSR3 Framegen, it works by looking at the previous frame and it creates a kew frame from that, DLSS3/FSR3 Framegen work in-engine and know what can come next.
shzzzz@reddit
I have a 4070ti S, with a 7800x3D, hooked to my LGC2. Been able to play 4k games with max settings for most of my games.
Some of the games i play are warhammer 3, chivalry 2, baldurs gate 3, forza 5, and even abit of the new warhammer 40k. Div 2 as well. All max settings and with HDR on. Been working rly rly well so far.
Kofmo@reddit
What if you spend 756 on an AMD card, what can you get then??
Kofmo@reddit
its just my personal opinion, but with those cards i would stick to 1440p
professore87@reddit
I have 7900xt with 7800x3d and after resetting variables to default (cvar_default) i get consistent 80fps average in m+, with upwards being 210 the highest I've seen and rarely dipping to 50 in mythic raid where many adds spawn (ovinax). I then capped my fps to 120 and dornogal (without circling the forge on a flyer) stays there. It dips to 70+ if I circle that specific area.
Dark_Souls_VII@reddit
Regarding drivers, I got the RX 7900 XTX on launch day and the RTX 4080 Super on launch day for fun. I haven't had a single issue with the AMD GPU and I prefer Radeon Settings over GeForce experience. That said, I didn't have issues with NV either. NV also is about to release a replacement for GeForce Experience that looks better to me. Drivers are not an issue on AMD for gaming. That said, I always disable RT in games because even the RTX 4080 Super isn't fast enough for my personal taste of an enjoyable experience. I game on a 2160p144 monitor. I you game A LOT power consumption might be a factor though. The RX 7900 XTX pulled like 80W more than the RTX 4080 Super in gaming for me from the wall.
midnightmiragemusic@reddit
There's no reason to get the 7900XT over the 4070Ti Super.
Antenoralol@reddit
For his use-case it's the complete opposite actually.
WoW is a rasterization title and the 7900 XT is the faster card when it comes to raster.
f1rstx@reddit
both cards gonna be CPU bottlenecked (even with 7800X3D) cuz garbage spaghetti code of WOW engine. It's litteraly game bound by CPU.
midnightmiragemusic@reddit
No, it's not. Why do people keep reiterating this BS? They're pretty much even in raster.
Also, buying a GPU by using a SINGLE game as a benchmark is incredibly moronic. 4070 Ti Super is just as fast in RT, has far better features, has great RT support, supports CUDA and Optix, has better software support, has sufficient VRAM. There's absolutely NO reason to get the 7900XT over the 4070 Ti Super.
Antenoralol@reddit
midnightmiragemusic@reddit
Mygaffer@reddit
The 7900 XT is both cheaper and will give you better 4k performance, it should be obvious.
the-best-words@reddit
My 4070TiS runs my games at 4k ultra at around 80 fps. I tried game like Resident Evil 4 remake and Far Cry 6. Cod MW gets close 200 fps if I'm not mistaken, haven't played in a while.
I recommend the 4070TiS and I think it's good for 4k gaming. But I have a buddy who owns a 7900XT and he really loves it so I think you can't go wrong either way.
Antenoralol@reddit
I'd get the 7900 XT.
WoW is a rasterization based game.
It does not have DLSS, It does not utilize CUDA.
There's no compelling reason to go 4070 Ti Super here (its still a good card tho)
Antenoralol@reddit
I think both cards are good in their own ways but neither of these games support the things that make NVIDIA a must buy.
Hence why I recommend 7900 XT.
al3ch316@reddit
If the 4070ti-S is only fifty bucks more, you should go with that one. The raster advantage enjoyed by the XT is non-existent to marginal, and the Nvidia will absolutely smoke that thing when R/T is enabled. It also has a lower power draw, to boot.
Antenoralol@reddit
"Total Warhammer 3" "WoW"
TWH3 is a DX11 game and has no RT, WoW has the most basic rt shadows implementation that even a budget AMD card could run fine.
OutlandishnessOk4032@reddit
7900xt for sure.
opensrcdev@reddit
You're almost always better off going with with NVIDIA GPUs.
While the AMD GPUs have "more VRAM," what you ultimately should care about is end performance and reliability. It's not worth it to save a few bucks and end up regretting your decision.
Antique_Cranberry265@reddit
Everyone keeps this old broken "reliable drivers" bullet point, I think because they've not used an AMD card in the past two generations. I had issues with 5700X3D, the only issue I've had since was the lower end 6XXX cards do NOT like my M32Q monitor and sometimes on boot I have to power cycle the display before it shows. General stability and crashes, I play on both Green and Red fields and I'll say they're both even. Software it's not even close, Nvidia loses even with the Nvidia app, it's been behind for years and remains behind now.
f1rstx@reddit
in almost every new title 7900GRE is slower than 4070Super, at native
Antique_Cranberry265@reddit
Actually someone just handed me a chart trying to "own" me on this point, the chart disagrees with both your assertions, I'm not sure he checked it before linking it. It's $100 more expensive and it loses in rasterized performance more often than it wins at 1440p and above, I'll link it for your benefit. The best case you can use is "it breaks about even with 4070 Super, and costs $100 less" which is not a great position to argue from.
https://www.techspot.com/review/2826-geforce-rtx-4070-super-vs-radeon-7900-gre/
I liked the part where the 4070 Super loses one of the edge cases it has over the 7900GRE when you ENABLE Lumine global illumination, so it's actually LOSING an RT fight here. Cute!
I won't bother trying to cherrypick instances where 7900GRE loses a Day One fight with Nvidia, we both know from experience that long term, most games get vastly better results days or weeks after launch when they've had more time to cook drivers, so a lot of wins Nvidia wins on day one are eroded once you remove the benefit of Nvidia getting early access to the games for driver development. Surely that wasn't the spearhead of your argument here
f1rstx@reddit
it's from april... now, look at recent releases https://i.imgur.com/TktrELk.png
Antique_Cranberry265@reddit
Like I said, long term driver development erodes most of these "wins" on average looking at historical frame graphs, which you're well aware of when posting this, meaning it's possible those April results are even more in favor of AMD. That said, out of this very specific sample case of 8 very fresh off the press games, I'm looking at ...six games with a frame difference of less than ten FPS, most of which are less than five FPS apart.
Let's re-visit this in a couple months maybe? I don't think this is the massive W you think it is, again, considering the card you're propping up is $100 more and historically loses more than it wins. And no, "Well turn the graphics down and see how we do then" isn't a very strong argument to make either
opensrcdev@reddit
I'm using DLSS quality mode on my RTX 2080, and it helps performance a ton. It looks amazing in Hogwarts Legacy, for example.
Ray Tracing is a totally different story.
While the AMD GPUs offer better "raw" performance per dollar, the fact that you're limited from running AI workloads, the higher power and heat output, and frame time jitter, really doesn't make them worth it. NVIDIA's product is much more refined all-around.
I use AMD CPUs, but not GPUs.
Antique_Cranberry265@reddit
Luckily myself and probably most gaming consumers don't need to run AI workloads, so that's a load off. :)
I expect that performance to improve across the board once more people find a use case for it and it's profitable/marketable to work on a larger array of hardware, which is one of the downsides to every edge Nvidia invents for itself to get one up over the competition; eventually they lose it. They're losing the RT and upscaling war in realtime right now, AI is probably inevitable. In either case, I never pay premiums to be an early adopter, since it just gets cheaper and better as time goes on.
opensrcdev@reddit
You'd be surprised. A lot of less-technical users are starting to run things like Stable Diffusion, Flux, and Large Language Models locally on their systems. Just look at how popular projects like ComfyUI, AUTOMATIC1111, Ollama, and similar ones are. They're easy for people to get up and running, and don't require you to sign up for some paid online service.
It seems unnecessarily limiting to not have the option of running these applications and ending up having to spend even more money, just to unlock that capability. If you stick with NVIDIA, you're going to have good software support up front.
What do you mean about NVIDIA losing the upscaling war? DLSS is the best in class solution for upscaling, and the 4000 series supports Frame Generation to improve visual performance.
I pay the NVIDIA "premium" because I want a reliable, efficient GPU that "just works" rather than having to waste time hacking around all the limitations of the alternatives. Since the OP asked for input, I'm sharing mine. You can make whatever choice is best for you. :)
kovu11@reddit
7900 XT definetly. Fuck ray tracing and DLSS, i am not buying a Bugatti because it has nice wheels.
RisingDeadMan0@reddit
if ur not in a ruh next gen cards are coming out in the next 3 months or so
BobtheArcher2018@reddit
What CPU do you have? CPU can matter in MMORPG raids and such.
I also prefer NVIDIA at 1440P or higher. At 1080P, raw raster power to $$ of AMD is a lot more attractive. Less likely to need the NVIDIA features, and RT is less of an issue.
Ok-Sympathy9830@reddit
Get the 7900xt.
TomorrowEqual3726@reddit
If you don't care about ray tracing and play WoW, the 7900 XT is the better card for sure to pick.
Unless you play games that actually utilize ray tracing and need cuda cores for other work programs, it's not worth that premium Nvidia price gouge.
Zamma42@reddit
People insists that the 4070 ti super is better. However, in World of Warcraft by the benchmark in youtube the performance with RT off seams to be better for the 7900 xt on maximum settings at 4k. 7900 xt also costs less so I dont see why you should choose for the 4070 ti super honestly. DLSS is not used since the rendering is native...
kapybarah@reddit
4070 ti super without a doubt. Dlss performs actually looks good enough while fsr, even at 4k, is far worse. Fsr quality is acceptable but dlss performance is on par or even better than that, which makes the effective performance of the 4070 tiS at least 20% greater when using upscaling
9okm@reddit
Watch benchmarks.