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bluehairminerboy@reddit

1100 computers that can't run Windows 11. Gonna be a fun year.

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sevenfiftynorth@reddit

PCs that lack TPM 2.0 and SecureBoot can actually run Windows 11 just fine if you're willing to do it. Just use Rufus to create installation media that strips those requirements.

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joelly88@reddit

That is not a good idea. I have an old PC at home that I did this on. You get a watermark on the desktop saying it doesn't meet the requirements AND it doesn't get any major Windows updates.

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That's not been my experience at all and I'm struggling to imagine what process or source media you used to install Windows. I have easily 100+ PCs running Windows 11 Enterprise 23H2 that don't have TPM 2.0 and SecureBoot. No watermark. They get updates every month.

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carl5473@reddit

I'll do that on my personal machines but hell if I am doing some hack at work. My recommendation is we upgrade everything needed to Win11, it's on my company if they decide not to.

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pointlessone@reddit

Yeah, hack jobs like this are perfectly fine for home, but when you've got responsibility for an entire company that could go down because Microsoft flips the "Enforce minimum stated requirements" switch...

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roll_for_initiative_@reddit

I'll never understand when sysadmins will do things like this to save the company money, that they don't even get a share of. It's not like if they do this for 1100 machines, they get to pocket 50% of the savings. They're subsidizing a business that they don't have equity in. Pitch industry standard, supported solutions as the cost of doing business. If they decline, shove it back in their eye with the CYA email chain.

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Chrimunn@reddit

Because this kind of hack is a fun, practical solution to solve this kind of problem (at least in the short term)

That’s why sysadmins do it

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FlyingBishop@reddit

Microsoft is pretty full of shit here and I don't think this is as earth-shattering a thing as it seems. There's no actual good reason to torch all that hardware, it's perfectly good.

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roll_for_initiative_@reddit

I think you can get paid enough to save a million dollars

Ok, but you don't get a penny more if you do or don't save that million dollars. So, how much of that million do you get to make the risk worth it, professionally and personally.

" I'm never going to apologize for saving a literal million dollars unless there's a concrete reason to spend the money."

Concrete reason: you do a bunch of hacks to get W11 to work, MS flips a switch, bricks all the machines, you get fired.

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FlyingBishop@reddit

Ok, but you don't get a penny more if you do or don't save that million dollars. So, how much of that million do you get to make the risk worth it, professionally and personally.

If that's true you work for assholes. Get a better employer.

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roll_for_initiative_@reddit

I'm talking proverbially, as in "but you don't..." as in "in general, at most places, you don't..." and i think that's a fair assessment for "most places" that people on /r/sysadmin work at.

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FlyingBishop@reddit

Eh, people certainly tend to talk like all jobs are like that here, but I don't think much good comes from behaving like it (if anything it encourages such toxicity.)

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ms6615@reddit

Yeah at a certain point I realized that when I save the company millions of dollars on something by going above and beyond, I will see zero of that extra money. 2 years in a row of doing that and getting told here’s a “raise” less than last years inflation and they can find ways to line their own pockets now. I sit back and do tasks they assign me and then check the fuck out in the evening. If they wanted more, they’d pay for more.

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roll_for_initiative_@reddit

That's really it. They don't remember the savings even when we present a spreadsheet and need some of it back for budget. It's all "we would have saved that anyway" or "that's just your job". Like, no, it's not "our job", we went out of the way to save you 3 people's salary worth of money and here's the proof.

We dropped a large client like that and they self collapsed. Feedback? "It sure was nice when X was here doing IT". Yeah, it was, it was so nice you took it for granted, have fun on the bread lines.

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Suppafly19@reddit

Exactly 💯 this! As my boss says, you will not be thanked!

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caffeine-junkie@reddit

Rufus is not going to work when you have 1100+ computers, even assuming they all are at the same location. I know its a minimum of just over 4 computers a workday for the next year assuming no vacations, but thats an incredible amount of productivity being lost. Not to mention the IT(S) department is now a man down for the entire time.

To add to it, if the computer doesnt have TPM 2.0, then it is already a hairs breath away or even well beyond the point where it should have been evergreened in the first place.

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dougmc@reddit

if the computer doesnt have TPM 2.0

I've found a bunch of computers -- pretty beefy computers, being actively used now -- that do have TPM 2.0 but what they don't have is a CPU that's of a new enough generation to be supported.

Of the computers I've investigated, far more don't have a new enough CPU than are lacking TPM 2.0.

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ms6615@reddit

Huh? I can install windows onto like 20 computers at once and it takes 10 minutes. I could probably have base Win11 installed on 1100 machines in less than a month. When I did imaging the main issues were always space and logistics. UPS and FedEx can both suck my ass.

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sysadmin189@reddit

Why work that hard to install a enshitified OS? If its a company, they need to buy new PCs. If not, install Linux.

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sevenfiftynorth@reddit

In my experience, Windows 11 Enterprise 23H2 runs better than Windows 10, full stop. Obviously, I haven't encountered the dreaded app that won't run on Windows 11.

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sysadmin189@reddit

My comment was less on stability and more a commentary on the added layer of 'user friendly' settings menus, added telemetry and advertising, and the need to make it look more like macOS.

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jfoust2@reddit

What's next, prepping new machines without a Microsoft account?

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Xanthis@reddit

So I discovered that the media creation tool from MS for 23H2 would install w11 onto machines with no TPM just fine. I haven't tried 24H2 yet, but 22H2 didn't work for sure.

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greywolfau@reddit

What's the point of upgrades that have to strip requirements to get them to run?

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petamaxx@reddit

Any guides on this online please?

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bluehairminerboy@reddit

Yeah - I imagine that will be what ends up happening

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quite-unique@reddit

Time to ask yourselves: "do we really even need computers?"

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mpdscb@reddit

There's a big sale on abacuses right now.

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TeflonJon__@reddit

Can I make up the plural word for abacus pls? Abacai. Thank you.

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g225@reddit

I’m still on an Acorn computer, works great.

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Parking_Media@reddit

Now I want to make a servo controlled abacus to do simple math.

WIRR SMACK WIRR SMACK

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nightwatch_admin@reddit

Lord Babbage is that you?

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1TRUEKING@reddit

Yea AVD the way to go

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quite-unique@reddit

No no no I'm not falling for that, that's just more computers in mystery locations...

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ROvAES@reddit

Ouch, that's rough; what kind of computers do you have?

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FalconDriver85@reddit

How old are they? Which percentage of all the clients they represent? Did you already told management that for that much computers you’re already too late into the process or that they need more staff or to buy ESU?

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bluehairminerboy@reddit

Out of about 4000 machines, anywhere from 5 to 11 years old. MSP so the actual clients don't care, the computers ain't broke so they're not getting replaced... Still got a few with Windows 7 knocking about too

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roll_for_initiative_@reddit

We built into our MSA that clients have to have systems that aren't EoL. Specifically called out OS support. Not that we'd want to take it that far, but not upgrading could be a breach of contract and we could end it and collect for the balance od the contract.

It seems heavy handed but, unless you're an outside vendor with specifics in your contract, there's no way to force businesses to follow the rules.

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bluehairminerboy@reddit

I fully agree - but my management are terrified of getting customers to do pretty much anything, I'm currently wrestling with a load of Pentium Silver HP laptops that someone bought and I'm sure all the tickets about how slow they are will get escalated to me.

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roll_for_initiative_@reddit

Man that sucks and I'm sorry to hear that. Clients like that and boss's that enable them prevent you from making real progress in the environment because they're so focused on pinching a penny on hardware.

Like, PCs have been mandatory in businesses for 25 YEARS NOW, you should have a replacement budget setup already!

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bluehairminerboy@reddit

I've spoken to a few casually and they genuinely think we're trying to pull the wool over their eyes by selling them a Vostro that has a decent spec. If they can go and buy laptops for $200 why would they spend $800 with us?

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roll_for_initiative_@reddit

No time for those kind of clients. Unless you bill them hourly and accurately (which they'll scream and holler over), they're unprofitable and a huge pain.

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bluehairminerboy@reddit

We don't log time (thankfully for my sanity) but there's more of them than the reasonable ones so we can't really drop them without letting a fair few people go. It's a lot of charities who expect the earth for nothing unfortunately

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pdp10@reddit

It's a lot of charities who expect the earth for nothing unfortunately

When we did pro bono work as an ISP in the 1990s, we found charities to have the highest expectations and the most demands.

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YellowF3v3r@reddit

Non-profits tend to have this mentality

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bluehairminerboy@reddit

And usually the least budget

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roll_for_initiative_@reddit

:( man that's painful. Best of luck that ownership there sees the light! "Nonprofit is the status of their business, not yours".

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bluehairminerboy@reddit

They've been going for 15 years, doubt I'll manage to make any changes lol. Hoping I can escape soon but the job market is awful here lol

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MattAdmin444@reddit

See if you can loan them, specifically the ones rejecting the cost, that $200 laptop and then loan them a $800 laptop after. Some will probably still think you're pulling the wool over their eyes but if there's any measurable change in productivity...

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ProfessionalITShark@reddit

People don't treat any infrastructure, including chairs and necessary capital with that level of seriousness sadly.

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tuxedo_jack@reddit

Pentium Silver HP laptops

Sounds like someone just bought themselves a bunch of AVD clients.

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bluehairminerboy@reddit

The amount of problems we've had with AVD scares me off it forever - I'm sure it's something we're doing wrong in our implementation but it just seems like making everything reliant on a single point of failure, and in classic Microsoft fashion their support are utterly useless.

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roll_for_initiative_@reddit

also, "ticket closed; system performing as designed and expected"

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silentstorm2008@reddit

Had that too, but we just charged them more for eol equipment (a lot of advance notice and conversations), isolated where we could, and higher level of edr protection, browser isolation, etc.

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AlexIsPlaying@reddit

a lovely core 2 quad

To be fair, that's actually a good CPU for most tasks...

Reference : I was gaming on that until 2022 with a GeForce 2700 :)

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drnick5@reddit

Does your statement of work not exclude machines that are end of life? Ours certainly does. I can't imagine having to provide support on an 11 year old workstation.

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bluehairminerboy@reddit

I'm not sure it's really defined, I've helped people with everything from personal printers to ancient servers and even electric car charger. It's just "IT support" which to some people means anything with a plug.

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drnick5@reddit

Yikes..... We have pretty clear exclusions in our contract. EOL operating systems and hardware are certainly at the top of the list. But we also specifically mention that while our support agreement is unlimited in time, it's not unlimited in scope, And we only cover company owned devices that meet our spec. Hell, we even say printers aren't fully covered, that we only cover software issues and even that is on a "best effort" case.

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bluehairminerboy@reddit

Most of the customers didn't have a contract up until last year - but that management are scared that if we enforce something like that that the customers will leave, it's a load of big-personality small business owners that will scream at you if you can't fix their home Sonos speakers and stuff like that.

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CaptainBrooksie@reddit

My blood pressure is going up just imagining what working there must be like

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bluehairminerboy@reddit

Very low - you just have to learn to not care about anything haha

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Scuzzbopper5150@reddit

Yikes! Although there's a workaround for the TPM requirement on virtual workstations, physical systems is another story.

Do you at least have extended support?

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bluehairminerboy@reddit

Hahahaha - if it costs money then no.

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TechIncarnate4@reddit

I'm guessing Extended Security Updates will cost significantly less than ransomware.

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bluehairminerboy@reddit

Why bother paying when we'll remediate it for free?

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TechIncarnate4@reddit

I don't even....

Lost revenue for the company that is not able to work while you remediate is a pretty large financial loss.

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bluehairminerboy@reddit

UK so getting sued isn’t really a thing - we’ve had a fair few ransomware attacks these past few years and customers sometimes invest in their IT afterwards but most don’t. At the end of the day it’s not my company, I’ve made recommendations and it always comes down to the customer refusing to pay for something.

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Terrible_Ad3822@reddit

Time for Linux imitating Windows look. 😄

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FalconDriver85@reddit

They told me GPO for AppLocker works really well on Linux 😬

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enforce1@reddit

Well the apps won’t run sooooo

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Stonewalled9999@reddit

C2Q 8GB RAM and hacked W11 tiny it will run fine. Won't be supported but will likely be faster than W7 is on there@

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ImpossibleLeague9091@reddit

If it's anything like my workplace 8-12 years management was told and has decided to ignore the situation ATM officially

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TheBlueKingLP@reddit

It's Linux time

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andwork@reddit

setup.exe /product server

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joshtaco@reddit

did you not know this 2 years ago?

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Shoddy_Smoke_313@reddit

With a custom Image its possible the Upgrade PCs which official aren´t uble to run win 11
In our Company we did this with a lots of maschines

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AntiAoA@reddit

and now you've eliminated the small leverage you might have had with management.

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reilogix@reddit

I really hate that Microsoft is creating so much electronic waste arbitrarily. I realize it’s not feasible for many businesses BUT, many of those 1,100 machines can run Windows 11 just fine with the bypasses so I understand that is not feasible for most businesses but to me it’s just so damn wasteful, if if the existing hardware and software meets the business needs…

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LForbesIam@reddit

You can image them. Just bypass the check.

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thedarklord187@reddit

if it makes you feel any better my place has around 2500 that aren't windows 11 compatible. Its gonna cost us 2 mil to replace the whole fleet and we only have 2 people that can replace / reimage / migrate files. Thankfully i moved into a sysadmin role last year so thats kinda not my problem as much anymore. Still gonna suck though

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USMCLee@reddit

Yeah my work laptop (which I actually like) can't support Win11. I'm curious to see what the company does.

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VladimirNazor@reddit

win 10 will be next XP or 7

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Zncon@reddit

Win 7 actually gave us a much longer off ramp. The timeline for ending Win10 support is much shorter then what they've done in the past.

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Dzov@reddit

Which is funny, because 10 was marketed as being the last OS and they’d only do updates.

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joshtaco@reddit

How so? We have known about Win10 EOL for 3 years now

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Zncon@reddit

Someone else down thread said we got 11 years for Win 7, though by my math now it's 10 years, 5 months. Win XP was over 12 years though.

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Odd-Information-3638@reddit

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sambodia85@reddit

I think the problem people have is Windows 10 1507 was fairly rubbish, it probably wasn’t until 1607 was probably the first serious release, and then 1809 felt like an entirely different OS.

Not to mention every upgrade before 20H1 was a full reinstall, I think people assumed every time that happened it was a new release with 10 year lifespan and, not a service pack.

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Zncon@reddit

That's probably impacting my own and others perspective of the situation as well. It doesn't feel like Win 10 has been 'stable' for nearly as long as it was available.

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joshtaco@reddit

so basically roughly equal

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Zncon@reddit

Three months shorter, give or take a few days. Though the marketshare numbers were much friendlier going from Win 7/8 to 10.

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joshtaco@reddit

3 months is nothing in the end is my point. If it is to some people on here, they likely have bigger issues

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gsoltesz@reddit

I used to hate W11 until they made the task bar configurable to make it look like a normal Windows again e.g. lect-centered with no extra sh*t field (looking at both of you, Search and Cortana).

Last thing I wish could be made back to old-style, are the right-click contextual menus in Windows Explorer. What I want most is usually hidden under the More Options bottom entry. If only someone knew how to develop that by default....

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RougeDane@reddit

There is a Registry fix for that https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/restore-old-right-click-context-menu-in-windows-11/a62e797c-eaf3-411b-aeec-e460e6e5a82a

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AlexIsPlaying@reddit

I hate that I still can't put the taskbar on top of the screen.

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Slam_Dunk_Kitten@reddit

Funny enough this was the final straw for me, when I'm doing repairs at work the mess on my desk often blocks the taskbar. For a period of time you could move the taskbar if you went into the registry, but now you can't even do that, truly absurd. I now use Linux at home.

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RememberCitadel@reddit

winaero tweaker can fix the right click thing.

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pointlessone@reddit

The Tick-Tock of Windows popularity continues.

Assuming there is an actual Windows 12, it should be wildly popular.

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trail-g62Bim@reddit

idk, I feel like 10 broke the streak. People HATED 10 when it came out and now people don't want to give it up.

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sunburnedaz@reddit

I think its less people dont want to give it up they just dont want to give up the hardware they bought less than 2 years ago

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arnstarr@reddit

Hardware sold 2 years ago can't run Win 11? OMG!

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trail-g62Bim@reddit

Considering windows 11 was released three years ago, that's on you for buying new hardware that isn't compatible.

By the time you're forced onto 11, it will have been about 4 years since they announced the tpm requirements. When they announced it, most computers released in the previous 2-3 years were compatible. So by the time Win10 support runs out, you're looking at 6-8 year old computers that aren't compatible.

There are plenty of places where running an 8 year old computer is acceptable, but this thing is a little blow out of proportion, imo. It's not like a computer I bought last week wont work with it.

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dukandricka@reddit

People don't want to give it up because they've seen what Microsoft is doing with their OSes, starting with 7. They began to slowly remove critical features incl. customisation options that the company, through UI/UX end-user testing, took DECADES to develop and fine-tune. They're throwing all that out. And they continue to make terrible, TERRIBLE decisions every new OS they come out with.

Along the same line: people don't want to upgrade because there's no technical reason to upgrade. Just like there was no technical reason to upgrade from 7 to 10. Microsoft just likes claiming this "oh, well, you see, our new is more powerful than your computer" marketing bullshit which is ridiculous. You know they are in bed with CPU and mainboard manufacturers. You don't have to be Einstein to figure out what's going on. This was proven with Zeffy's WUFUC software (Zeffy has since deleted all his repos), alongside this repo. This has nothing to do with hardware, it has to do with Microsoft treating its users like total cash cows.

P.S. -- I still hate 10. I did not use 8. I "tolerated" 7. But the one I actually miss is XP.

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whoShitMyPants408@reddit

People hated 10 because it wasn't 7 and they hated 7 because it wasn't XP and they hated XP because it was '98 (I believe). Though I do agree that the odds that 12 regularly shits the bed just as much as 11 are unreasonably high.

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changee_of_ways@reddit

XP was a lot the same.

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ydna_eissua@reddit

Serious question. When was the last time (if ever?) Microsoft only had a single supported^^ version of Windows (excluding server editions)? I've heard no news of a Windows 12 on the horizon. In 12 months is Windows 11 really going to be everything?

It makes me nervous about buying hardware that i'll buy something and just my luck the next version will be announced and it won't be supported. I have a perfectly good desktop (and a laptop, but it's getting a little long in the tooth) that are a single generation too old to be supported by Windows 11.

^^ Mainstream support.

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joshtaco@reddit

12 is likely getting announced by end of year. Honestly, I think people on here just wait until the very last minute and then try to play the pity card and say "they weren't given enough time"

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OgdruJahad@reddit

Except I enjoyed both. Windows 10 was just meh. After wrangling it and forcing it to do what I wanted then it just sort of fades into the background, which for Windows 10 is probably the best outcome. I've seen a steady decline in windows since windows 8 , little really advancement and just a whole host of issues.

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ToughHardware@reddit

MS keep saying they will not extend win 10 pro. I believe them. but never know till its too late.

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MasterDenton@reddit

They will, if you pay them. They're about to make a killing off of Windows 10 ESUs

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Rouxls__Kaard@reddit

Make me.

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noobposter123@reddit

I upgraded from Windows 11 to Windows 10 IoT Enterprise 2021 LTSC and it works fine on my laptop (I checked to see if it was supported before I bought the laptop).

EoS is 2027/2032 not 2025.

Others can waste more of their time dealing with Windows 11 crappiness.

OMG I don't have support for a Copilot key and don't have "news and interests" in my start menu, how will I get work done? 🤣

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dukandricka@reddit

Yep, starting my usual upgrade plan -- the same one I used during the days of XP to 7, and 7 to 10: keep running the OS for as long as I like, upgrade if/when I feel like it, and if somehow all hell breaks loose and I have to upgrade, switch to Linux. (I didn't move from XP to 7 until 2015, and I didn't move from 7 to 10 until end of 2022. This is r/sysadmin, I should not need to justify myself here.)

Cold day in hell before I will replace my hardware to "work with the OS". That is not how this works, nor how it has ever worked.

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ZAFJB@reddit (OP)

Do not let Microsoft boss you around.

Don't worry Microsoft won't boss you around. Your favourite ransomware vendor will do so instead.

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Busy-Character-3099@reddit

Has Microsoft done anything about that AI snapshot database or is it still unsecured?

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ZAFJB@reddit (OP)

It is now opt in, off by default.

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No_Friend_4351@reddit

Yeah, what a waste of time and money. I mean this goes on and on. There is no innovation anymore. Why do we need new versions every year.

Old computer - new windows version
New computer - new windows version
New computer - new wubdiws version

Computers keep getting faster, yet Windows needs faster computer every time.

It`s a circle where everyone keeps moving in.

Break out, install Linux. Alsu updates, but you don`t need to buy a new computer every 2 years....

(happy Ubuntu user sinds 2012)

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LitzLizzieee@reddit

All of our hardware is supported by win11, and we're running trial groups. Currently have to upgrade some LoB software first, but once that's done we're ready to go Win11 hopefully Q1 next year. Given I don't use that LoB app, I've been running Win11 since early 2023.

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themanonthemooo@reddit

We are currently experimenting with Linux (Mint 22 Cinnamon) on unsupported Windows 11 hardware.

So far the only real downside is the Office Web Apps still nothing near the Office suite in functions, but users reports that OnlyOffice works just as great for their daily needs.

Thunderbird as Outlook replacement is actually receiving positive feedback although extra work when being added to a shared mailbox is required (we use Xink for signatures, which also required a little fiddling, but works almost seamlessly now).

Warehouse label print was also a little fiddling as we use Zebra Printers, but after installing the Zebra Design software through bottles, it was a matter of getting the right USB port to actually register i/o and it is running as it was on Windows.

So far, impressed with how far Linux has come in the past few years.

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stephendt@reddit

That's actually pretty cool. How is OneDrive / SharePoint functionality? That was a big issue for us last I checked

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themanonthemooo@reddit

Takes a little while to have the users go to the web portal for OneDrive, but once that is “incorporated” it just works.

We are also testing: https://github.com/abraunegg/onedrive which so far works like the native app on Windows.

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Crinkez@reddit

How's device management working for you? I've heard there's limited functionality for Linux. Do you have the option to remote wipe if for instance a laptop gets stolen?

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Organic_Lifeguard378@reddit

I run Ubuntu 24.04 on my company issued laptop with Intune to report vulnerabilities to them. I have a deadline to resolve them or it’s escalated to my manager. And we have to use drive encryption. So if the laptop is stolen, they can’t recover any data. Don’t need a remote wipe in that case.

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Crinkez@reddit

And if a former employee goes rogue? Still need remote wipe.

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pdp10@reddit

We FDE Linux laptops but nothing gets wiped remotely by policy. On the scale of things it's not very important, but we've been advised that we're better off legally by not wiping, in both cases of actual loss and in more-nebulous cases.

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Crinkez@reddit

No good for us. For a lot of businesses, remote wipe access is a 100% requirement.

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themanonthemooo@reddit

We’re not using it for equipment that needs to go outside the facilities in the first run as Remote Wipe is (not yet) supported.

But Mint as is based on Ubuntu is enrolled in our AD and I have pushed the first few GPOs to the test devices (mainly update cycles and such).

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Theuderic@reddit

You could try setting up web apps for the one drive portal etc. I use them for all sorts of things and they're excellent. Pin a web app with no address bar/browser menu right to the taskbar and run it as any local app.

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themanonthemooo@reddit

That is a neat idea!

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Theuderic@reddit

Built right in too, search for web apps and there's a GUI setup app. Love it

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arnstarr@reddit

Chrome OS Flex any good?

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ryoko227@reddit

I started transitioning our staff off most of the MS products slowly over the past 5 years or so. The last two hurdles is a piece of software that we use for tablet to projector streaming, and the primary OS itself. Got the pop-up message yesterday, so at this point, I'm thinking dongles and proceed with the migration to LM22. We've already got about 20 devices running on LM for about 3 years now. Honestly speaking, breaking from MSOffice was the biggest hurdle thus far. Since most everything else is now web portal based, I think we will be okay. No intention of going to Win11.

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nugganas@reddit

Also, also, the "new" Outlook on windows feels like a webapp anyways...

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Kichigai@reddit

“New” Teams doesn't feel much better.

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East-Dig440@reddit

anything with the word "new" in front of the name should be bad.

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themanonthemooo@reddit

New Teams is pretty decent on low RAM machines, but functionality wise it’s still far from the desired product.

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Kichigai@reddit

It's always fun when, while I'm using it, it decides it's going to restart itself. Or I go to break and it has quit all by itself, and unpinned itself from my task bar. That's some quality work.

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lw1995it@reddit

It pretty much is the webapp. Doesn't open without internet connection and lacks features that the old Outlook had :(

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CVGPi@reddit

Like send as vs send on behalf for shared mailbox

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Bossman1086@reddit

They've added offline support now. It's rolling out this month. S/MIME support is coming next month. And early next year, it's getting PST support and the ability to add shared mailboxes as full accounts.

They've been making steady improvements, thankfully.

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bv915@reddit

It's a day late and dollar short, as far as I'm concerned.

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xSevilx@reddit

Also lacks features that true web Outlook has

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Valdaraak@reddit

It is one. It's just embedded OWA.

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themanonthemooo@reddit

True, it has nothing to do with “Outlook” in its current state.

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saltyspicehead@reddit

That's actually pretty cool. Maybe you can even convince management to throw some money at the devs.

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thedarklord187@reddit

it fascinates me that a functional microsoft office suite hasn't been created for linux yet.

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Kichigai@reddit

I'd call Libre Office functional, but only in a general sense. Libre Writer has probably most of what people need, but its UI was clearly designed by engineers specifically attempting to mimic Word 2000, but tweaking it for their own needs. Libre Calc probably is missing some vital functions, has nothing like VBA scripting.

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fooxl@reddit

it was a matter of getting the right USB port to actually register i/o and it is running as it was on Windows

How did you achieve this?? o.O

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themanonthemooo@reddit

Bottles is a GUI for the wine comparability layer. Just needed to make sure (through some terminal commands) that the USB port the Zebra printer was attached to, was parsed through to the correct port in the program :)

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fooxl@reddit

Yes, Bottles is really nice.

through some terminal commands

That's exactly what I'm interested in. :)

Could you please provide some details? If it works like I understand, it would be a huge step forward for us moving to linux.

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themanonthemooo@reddit

Ah, yes. I will find the documents and PM you.

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fooxl@reddit

Awesome!

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aside24@reddit

Have fiddled with Linux Mint Cinnamon too both personally & professionally and it's impressive to say the least.

So clean too, no popups or updates every damn day, just stable and working

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deelowe@reddit

I actually hate office with a passion and find google workspace much better.

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Consistent_Memory758@reddit

This is a scenario waiting for strange issues/ failty logins (due to shared computers) or incompatibility.

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cobarbob@reddit

Going to get right on that after I finish my 2012r2 upgrades....

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kenerg@reddit

Just finished a 2008 to 2012r2 roll...

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anonpf@reddit

Pssh NT 4.0 straight to 2022. YOLO!

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weltvonalex@reddit

This is the way

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rcook55@reddit

For giggles I did test upgrading 2008 to 2019. Once you upgraded 2008 to 2012r2 you could jump to 2019 and I'm assuming 2022 but didn't try that.

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CVS1401@reddit

Safer to go 2012r2->2016->2019/2022

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surveysaysno@reddit

No SP6a?

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anonpf@reddit

We don’t need no stinkin’ service packs here.

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mpdscb@reddit

I think the SP6a was assumed.

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sys_overlord@reddit

Government? Or industrial?

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ciabattabing16@reddit

I'm government and I'd be surprised if they had 2012 gone by the time I retire in 20 years.

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Appropriate_Ant_4629@reddit

Sometimes I think they should abandon Win11 and spend the resources saved on supporting Win10 longer.

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Secret_Account07@reddit

Govt here too.

I complain to my boss everytime I come across a 2012r2, but we only have a hundred or so left.

I wasn’t involved in the extended support contract but our customers are paying big bucks to keep using this crap. Honestly I wish they would stop doing ESU keys so it would force people to upgrade.

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derscholl@reddit

That would be so crazy. All it takes is a couple more generations of CPU’s until scrip kiddies can shut down entire countries again like it was 2006

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Library_IT_guy@reddit

Man I thought I was the only one. I am pricing out servers right now and planning to replace ours before the year ends but... I still feel really awful about it lol.

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ciabattabing16@reddit

The higher up you go, and the more important (real or imagined) the agency you work in...the worse it gets, I assure you. All that's surprising to me at this stage in my career is when I find something that isn't terrifying, and it's setup in something close to best practice. I actually find THAT a bit scary these days. And they have the nerve to question my loyalty on polygraphs. Have you SEEN your stuff? I question your sanity, government!

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AlyssaAlyssum@reddit

Industrial. I might be able to get rid of my last XP PC though!!! Time to get working on the Win2000 and Linux 2.x Kernel boxes. WOHOO!

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whetherby@reddit

industrial printing

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kenerg@reddit

Manufacturing...

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Parking_Media@reddit

Taught me a lot about penny pinching and creativity when I supported a few factories. God bless the eBay sellers who stock ancient garbage is all I gotta say.

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obviouslybait@reddit

Industrial you'll be running CNC machines still on Windows 95.

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thedarklord187@reddit

Hospital

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Nik_Tesla@reddit

We still have a single mission critical 2003 server... kill me

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whetherby@reddit

industrial printing

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MissionDocument6029@reddit

i'm still good with windows ME right??? right??

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cobarbob@reddit

Hey if it's not broke, no need to fix it

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scriptmonkey420@reddit

Just decommed my last 2012 server last week for Prod. Dev has a few more weeks to go...

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Lando_uk@reddit

I got 7 left - Year 2 ESU ordered.

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Proper-Obligation-97@reddit

Fudge!!! we are the same sinking boat...

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weltvonalex@reddit

Hmm nope

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LForbesIam@reddit

We are still working on Windows 7. At least Windows 11 is just a Microsoft KB so easy to deploy and upgrade doesn’t take long.

The older hardware works with Win11 you just need a task sequence.

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ZAFJB@reddit (OP)

The older hardware works with Win11 you just need a task sequence.

That will not work forever.

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LForbesIam@reddit

It just bypasses the upgrade code.

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Stuck_in_Arizona@reddit

Slowly doing this. We have one building fully on Windows 11 and another almost. With a few stragglers since the company stopped buying new towers. Laptops will likely be dead last.

It's amazing how marketing touted 10 as the "definitive" windows with long term support. Had a good laugh. Time for Windows 11 bloatware UI !

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spspanglish@reddit

Meanwhile for manufacturing reasons I just spun up an XP VM last week…

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mccrackey@reddit

We started six months ago. About 1/3 of the way done... happy we're keeping our heads above water.

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donaldrowens@reddit

Wasn't there supposed to be a Windows 12 release before 10 went EoSL? I swear I read that somewhere and have been putting off upgrades to 11 because of it.

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Weak_Wealth5399@reddit

Some of the cool things working with IT for a gaming company, everyone needs an upgrade pretty often and the PCs we buy has to hold up to play games on, or else we can't use them. So pretty much all PCs are beefy specs wise and all are pretty much running w11.

I feel you Gov and Industry folks pain. Best of luck with all the upgrades. 😁👍

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slugshead@reddit

I've got all my new hardware boxed up in storage to replace non-compliant kit.

My plan is to get it out over the next few months (win10) and take time to get the win11 setup perfected and re image everything next summer.

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TrueAkagami@reddit

Even with planning, it is not enough. Still trying to get server 2012 out of our environment

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AtLeast37Goats@reddit

*Laughs while clutching onto my LTSC

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chubbysuperbiker@reddit

Remember when Microsoft said Windows 10 was the “last version of Windows”?

The beard remembers.

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chrono13@reddit

Except they never officially said this.

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chubbysuperbiker@reddit

But they did. Multiple times. Lmgtfy:

https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows

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chrono13@reddit

One time, one employee, during a live conference for devs. And in context arguably didn't mean no new versions of Windows would ever be released. It was endlessly misquoted out of context and repeated, but never official.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/137svcp/correcting_the_misinformation_of_windows_10_being/

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whoShitMyPants408@reddit

They technically did, but it was someone who never had any authority to promise that. Just like how "you'll never get a virus on an Apple product." Some asshat said it and the media ran with it as gospel.

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chubbysuperbiker@reddit

Actually if you worked with MS during the time they pushed that. We’re a large enterprise client and the endpoint team pushed that as the selling point for win 10 and investing in cloud first with Azure AD, O362, etc.

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whoShitMyPants408@reddit

Sales people don't have the authority either, mate. Plus, they'll say whatever you wanna hear just to make that sale.

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chubbysuperbiker@reddit

I’m talking engineers. Literally everyone there was singing this in the 2015-2016 timeframe.

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whoShitMyPants408@reddit

Even less qualified then lmao. You should know firsthand that we technical folk don't get a seat at the decision table.

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ou6n@reddit

Happy about this. Otherwise my non profit would still be using 14 year old laptops.

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hawkers89@reddit

Damn and I thought we were bad.. we've still got 10 year old desktops chugging along.

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boomerangchampion@reddit

cries in industrial IT

We've got a 3.1 instance running on the original hardware. It's older than me.

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hawkers89@reddit

I'm sure that's for a very specific purpose though right? Mine are just old because the boss doesn't want to pay to upgrade.

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The_TesserekT@reddit

I thought Windows10 would be the last version of Windows ever? According to Microsoft it was so perfect there would be no need for an upgrade.

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whoShitMyPants408@reddit

Technically, someone who works(ed) for Microsoft did say that, but they had no authority to make that promise. Just like how some asshat said that "you'll never get a virus on an Apple product", the media took it as gospel and ran with it.

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MiffedAdmin@reddit

Laughs in LTSC

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Erok2112@reddit

I have a strong feeling that either that EOL will get pushed or a lot of people will just continue to use it for a few more years. Hardware costs are going to be steep and I don't see a whole lot of companies laying out that kind of money these days.

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chrono13@reddit

I know one of the largest hospital systems in the United States just finished upgrading their systems from Windows 7 to Windows 10 (as a large project started not long ago).

Enterprises not upgrading because "yuck" is disappointing. But there are a LOT of enterprises without 5-year lifecycles on their hardware. It is cheaper and more secure to have the lifecycle than it is to support old hardware, but there is still a lot of run-it-into-the-ground-IT-staff-time-is-free bean-counting mentality.

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JazzlikeSurround6612@reddit

The doom is near!!!

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Sultans-Of-IT@reddit

I accidentally upgraded all our machines to windows 11. I'm done lol

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thedarklord187@reddit

i wish we could do that.

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Sultans-Of-IT@reddit

Everyone was just like, "Oh, another update. " I was blown away by the number of people who didn't complain. Even C-suite staff just accepted it. Windows has them trained.

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3-FIT@reddit

We accidentally pushed W11 to 500+ machines last year, only had one rollback request and my boss said no lol.

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Bluecobra@reddit

I will say one thing is that Microsoft has always been good about in-place Windows upgrades. Rarely ran into issues.

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duranfan@reddit

Task failed successfully? ;)

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Sultans-Of-IT@reddit

Surprisingly only had like 5 support tickets. All were for the copy paste shit.

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panopticon31@reddit

Just make a script to edit the reg key.

The right click context menu is probably both the biggest GUI change in W11 and also by far the dumbest.

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pointlessone@reddit

"Where Windows goes, the world follows"

I hate the right click menu, but I'm making sure we keep it in place. Other applications will be following the design as Win11 gains install base, and I don't want to chase down hundreds of tickets for inconsistent UI elements. If I'm wrong, we've at least taught the users how to CTRL C/V more often.

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panopticon31@reddit

The hieroglyphic symbols to portray copy and paste are strongly counter intuitive. Especially for end users who are not fully pc literate.

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PiotrekDG@reddit

24H2 adds names to them.

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pointlessone@reddit

It's hilarious in a way. UX wasn't even a consideration when right click menus became a thing, and they landed perfectly. Now that user experience considerations are a premium, they make what's worked perfectly for decades worse.

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burnte@reddit

Actually the right click menu was 100% real UX driven, by putting the most common commands in any given context (hence context menus) right where the user's cursor is. However modern UX is more driven by graphic design considerations rather than actual user experience data. I personally know several "UX Engineers" who are literally just graphic designers, with no HCI training at all, hired into UX roles right out of art school. That's the problem with UX today, it's being driven by visual appeal not utility, it's 100% form over function.

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mj3004@reddit

And it’s fixed in 24H2. We didn’t really encounter any issues though

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jake04-20@reddit

It's funny to me how it's common knowledge in /r/sysadmin to know to change the reg key for the classic win10 context menu in win11 yet there have probably been a dozen posts since it Win11 came out in the /r/Windows11 sub asking about how to get the classic context menu and nearly every answer tells you to install windhawk or some other 3rd party windows customization tool.

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c_smo@reddit

Thankfully fixed in 24h2

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Sultans-Of-IT@reddit

This is what I ended up doing.

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KnowledgeTransfer23@reddit

Luckily they are putting text labels on the context menu for the copy/paste/cut icons in 24h2! Might help those people who can't learn ctrl+c ctrl+v!

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BoredTechyGuy@reddit

You must be new here…

Those lessons shall never be learned by the user base. It is the way of things. It cannot be changed.

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agentfaux@reddit

I'm still guessing they'll extend it when it draws nearer and the adoption rate hasn't improved.

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chrono13@reddit

Are you setting your enterprise strategy to this?

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TheLastREOSpeedwagon@reddit

Windows 10 should have had a few more years. Windows 7 had 11 years, XP had 13 years, 10 is only getting 10 years yet Microsoft is obligated to support LTSC IOT 2021 until 2032. This is possibly the biggest gap between mainline windows and an embedded edition ever. The only thing comparable might be Server 2008 R1 with ESU updates compared to mainline Vista.

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thesneakywalrus@reddit

I have to assume that they'll wind up pushing the EOL date for W10 back like they did with W7, especially considering the hardware requirements.

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Bossman1086@reddit

I thought so too, but Microsoft has been pretty firm in not doing that this time around because they started their messaging around Win10 EOL much earlier to businesses. I've seen reps at some clients come in and outright tell them not to expect Microsoft to give any exemptions or push dates back this time.

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chrono13@reddit

Some people are planning their enterprise IT decisions on a wishful thought.

For those that don't have a choice due to finances I get it, but I've talked to so many in the enterprise that aren't upgrading because they "like 10 better".

Whoever put these folks in charge of enterprise is in for a rude surprise.

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TheLastREOSpeedwagon@reddit

I do think so too. They're just waiting for the last minute. It's a classic tactic with stuff like this. Get all the people you can on the newest and then give more time to the stragglers.

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flecom@reddit

LTSC 2019 is supported till 2029

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a60v@reddit

Windows 2000 is the future.

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GoodTofuFriday@reddit

I was proactive and replaced all hardware in my company that didnt comply with win 11 requirments. I know as the days tick on "old" hardware like 12th gen intel is going to go up in price as companies who need to stay in compliance bite the bullet and upgrade.

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Squanchy2112@reddit

Ltsc wooooo

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rcook55@reddit

Sitting at 19% of the fleet migrated with plans in place for the rest. All new laptops, swaps and replacements are getting Win11 and have been for a few months now. We're a nation wide company and a lot of our users are in the field with poor connections so we'll be doing a combo of full swaps and in place upgrades. The Win11 migration has been something I've been working on for a while now, I don't want to wait until the last minute and scramble.

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Stryker1-1@reddit

All newly deployed and updated systems are going out with Win11.

Not sure if they will pay for extended support or not

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Known_Principle1889@reddit

Currently in the middle of it, closing on completion of no longer having W10 devices, work in a school so might have a few kicking around but feels good

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Scaraban@reddit

And the clock ticks one minute closer to midnight.

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jake04-20@reddit

But you won't know how many seconds in the minute on windows 11 unless you set the taskbar option to display seconds which also apparently drains your battery faster, even though windows 10 did it without problem.

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lectos1977@reddit

I am installing Windows Vista on everything just because of this post.

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edmunek@reddit

f that shit. I am finally about to build new PC for my wife and install windows 10 on it as she is still using windows 7

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dasdzoni@reddit

Didnt need this reminder that something in our domain is fucking up our windows 11 laptops

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liebeg@reddit

software still has w10 support the next few years. Devs decide when its eol not microsoft.

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TheLionYeti@reddit

Thank god we signed up for Dell LCH so they can roll out the crazy hardware turn over instead.

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UltraEngine60@reddit

Let's sue Apple over a charging port but turn a blind eye to Microsoft purposely "bricking" billions of machines for business use. /rant

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Seth0x7DD@reddit

The machines aren't bricked though. They just can't use the most current version of Windows. While it is only a minor difference, it is still a difference. They're not pushing BIOS updates to laptops.

Compare that to the Apple approach of simply making the latest update not run on your hardware AND if you buy new hardware, not being able to run the software you bought (unless it got updates).

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UltraEngine60@reddit

I guess the moral of the story is that neither Microsoft of Apple really care about the earth any more than any other company.

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the_unsender@reddit

So what?

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Midgard-Nomad@reddit

Yes I can't wait to toss out 120 perfectly fine for purpose machines so we can switch to software we don't need. :)

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NoWave8@reddit

It's not like you can't install 11 on it.

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TaiGlobal@reddit

We installed a windows 11 on an incompatible device and now it’s throwing a compatibility error when trying to upgrade to 23H2. This was only one device in the wild so easy enough to replace but just stating this anecdote to show it may not be worth the headache.

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Key-Calligrapher-209@reddit

In what way was it lacking compatibility? No TPM at all, only TPM 1.x, or something else? All the "incompatible" machines (TPM 1.x) I've dropped W11 on have been fine.

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TaiGlobal@reddit

Dell latitude 7480. I wasn’t the one directly working with it but I believe it maybe tpm related.

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13darkice37@reddit

It is tpm related. Luckily we've got a budget for replacing our Latitudes. Everything below 7410.

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NoWave8@reddit

Ah okay thanks for the heads up, my boss is not gonna like it either but I told him there are ways to bypass it. It always has to break first before we take action lol.

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meest@reddit

If you haven't been running unsupported hardware on 11 then I'd suggest you get some test ones out there.

I have a few Lenovo T470s's with 7th gen processors and they're constantly stuck on trying to download the 23H2 update right now. I got one to clear, but then the graphics driver went all sorts of screwed up and that won't correct itself.

Yes there's ways around upgrading, but as the Hobbits famously said, what about 2nd upgrade? Or 3rd upgrade? Just because you got it to do it once, doesn't mean its going to keep working.

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thedarklord187@reddit

It's not like you can't install 11 on it.

You can bypass and install it but it wont pull updates at all and there's no way to force updates since microsoft purposely blocks them. The whole windows 11 isnt compatible BS is dumb but unfortunately there isnt a way around it in a corporate environment where you need updates to work to cover compliance.

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thesneakywalrus@reddit

You can bypass and install it but it wont pull updates at all

I've not found that to be true. I'm in the middle of testing W11 on a bunch of 7th gen Intel hardware and updates appear to be working swimmingly.

Now, there's nothing saying that it won't all crash and burn with the next major feature update, but for now it's working.

They'll probably wind up on WSUS anyhow (which is also going the way of the dodo) but my hope is that I can get a hardware refresh in here before that happens.

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Bossman1086@reddit

Regular CU updates and driver updates work fine. But updates to new major versions don't work (e.g. going from 23H2 to 24H2).

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thesneakywalrus@reddit

Weird, I just updated an i5-7500 from 23H2 to 24H2 yesterday.

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Bossman1086@reddit

I'm not sure what holds it back. I have an old Surface Pro that has the TPM but the CPU is one generation too old. It won't get updates.

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ZAFJB@reddit (OP)

The loopholes are being closed.

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NoWave8@reddit

Are they? I must have been out of the loop.

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Top-Tie9959@reddit

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/unsupported-win11-pcs-wont-update

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/microsoft-patches-tpm-20-bypass-to-prevent-windows-11-installs-on-pcs-with-unsupported-cpus

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thesneakywalrus@reddit

The first article is 3 years old and out of date. Unsupported machines installed through the official Microsoft methodology support Windows Update.

The second article is simply reporting that Microsoft is closing the "server install" loophole for W11. The officially supported registry change still works.

Now, I'm sure they'll inevitably wind up tossing this methodology, but for now it's still listed on Microsoft's support site.

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Midgard-Nomad@reddit

I'm aware of and have already used workarounds.

But i'm the one they call when things stop working.
I'm not going to run anything unsupported in any production type setting because then it's "my thing", and also my loss of face if things stop working.

Which it inevitably will. Microsoft has already borked up Windows 11 on machines where it shouldn't bork up, on several occasions, to varying degrees.
If you are going to deploy Windows 11 on machines that "can't run" windows 11 I guarantee you it's a matter of time before some update breaks something.

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Ottaruga@reddit

Heaven forbid you have to replace a by then decade old OS lmao, get a proper hardware cycle and stop assuming tech debt so you don't ever have to replace so many machines at once in the future. Keeping current for security updates is the nature of the industry, there's no reason to expect companies to keep their security teams supporting old software and hardware forever. Doing so makes the entire industry less efficient and less secure as they band-aid security without new hardware and have less staff dedicated to securing their current products.

If you need another year to prepare buy ESU licenses for the cost of replacing a handful of machines.

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Midgard-Nomad@reddit

You're assuming a lot of things.

I was half joking. But I'm also definately in the camp that Windows 11's new hardware requirements are garbage.

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thesneakywalrus@reddit

I get the TPM requirements, but locking out a ton of still very useful 7th gen intel processors that support TPM 2.0 seems entirely arbitrary.

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Midgard-Nomad@reddit

I get the purpose of TPM but there's no fundamental technical reason to require it as they do.
This is a security consideration microsoft decided to take away from their end users.

I'm fully convinced this whole Windows 11 hardware support thing is about MS wanting to shrink the situations they have to account for by essentially only considering hardware from a specific era and younger.

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fireflash38@reddit

Yeah, let's dump tons of working hardware, because some other shitty company decides they want more money and control over your hardware.

They're not doing it for security. They're doing it for money. They're doing it to lock you into their stuff. In a way, they're taking control over something you already own. Do you really own it at that point?

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Ottaruga@reddit

WinXP still runs plenty of software just fine too, yet we acknowledge there's a reasonable point where it's time to use newer hardware and software even though we own it already. We don't own the teams providing updates and support to our software.

The OS is a decade old and the software upgrade is free. The hardware required for security has been available for well over a standard hardware cycle. It's not a problem lol.

And at the end of the day, the company owns it. I don't want my company to accrue tech debt that will blow up in their face down the line, so for the good of the company I provide them their options for following best practices and staying on current software. It's a B2B win-win scenario.

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thedarklord187@reddit

Its all about money , theres no malice. We dont get the money from the VP's to refresh hardware constantly its c suites fault not the IT dept.

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Ottaruga@reddit

Then CYA and provide the options to the c suite, if they deny it at that point there's at least an acknowledgement of working in an insecure environment and do the best you can from there.

Consider moving to an environment more supportive of IT if you want to keep utilizing best practices in your career.

None of that is Microsoft's fault though.

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Zncon@reddit

Yes, lets just create even more entirely pointless e-waste. The planet is already fucked, so why not, right?

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Medical-Traffic-2765@reddit

It wouldn't be Microsoft if they weren't forcing shit you don't need and nobody asked for on you for no good reason.

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ReptilianLaserbeam@reddit

We’ve got 100% in win11-23H2 and just started testing 24H2. We moved from win10 more than a year ago

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ToughHardware@reddit

5 person office? lol, JK. congrats on being on top of it

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ReptilianLaserbeam@reddit

Oh no I wish! It was kind of a drag, and before this our endpoints were hybrid-joined so we took the opportunity to upgrade to win11 while also making all of our endpoints cloud joined. At least we are not past those two things and have extensively tested win11 to fit our needs

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mj3004@reddit

Same, glad we were ahead and overall have been more stable, less support tickets

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mb194dc@reddit

Switch to Linux or LTSC if you're able to...

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slippery_hemorrhoids@reddit

As a Linux lover it never gets less annoying when these show up, "switch to Linux" yeah that isn't just as easy as flipping a switch and often is a business decision made levels higher than what just of us are

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JwCS8pjrh3QBWfL@reddit

As a Windows lover, it's the "switch to LTSC" for me. LTSC is NOT feature complete, and even most Microsoft software isn't supposed to run on it (Office, anyone?). It's supposed to be used for mission critical stuff like industrial or medical tooling, not Judy from Accounting because you don't want to bother her with updates every few years. Some folks just don't want to do their goddamn jobs.

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changee_of_ways@reddit

Yeah, we tried switching to LTSC and it ended up not being worth it.

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Seth0x7DD@reddit

If you really want to run it on user desktops at least check out newer LTSC releases every so often. Missing Win+. or Win+S is fucking annoying and there is likely a lot more.

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trail-g62Bim@reddit

business decision

Or a political one.

No one in the company is pushing to move from Windows. If you do it, then you automatically assume ALL risk and responsibility for the move and anything that goes wrong will be on your shoulders whether it had anything to do with the move or not.

Donna in accounting is now 15% slower at her job and it's your fault.

The bluetooth doesn't work quite as well and it's your fault.

My chair broke and it happened right after you switched to linux so it's your fault.

And what is the reward for all of that? Now you support linux instead of Windows...ok. What are you getting out of this? The risk is high and the reward...well, I dont even know what the reward is other than hating Microsoft and not having to use them anymore. Because I can promise you that no matter what OS you choose, you will have problems. They may be different or the same, but they will still be there.

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iCashMon3y@reddit

Yeah it's honestly insane that people even say this. For 99% of companies switching to Linux is a MASSIVE undertaking. Also 80% of our user base have a tough time with Windows, can't even imagine Linux, even if distros like Mint Cinnamon are supposed to be very "Windows-like".

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CarefulAstronomer255@reddit

I think that's what he meant with "if you're able to".

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Lord_Dreadlow@reddit

We upgraded already. All new Dells running WIn11.

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AlexIsPlaying@reddit

Start with replacing hardware that is not supported by Windows 11.

There are bypass for that ... :P

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ZAFJB@reddit (OP)

And they will be killed in the future.

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unixuser011@reddit

Not if you're using LTSC, still have 3 years left

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bakanisan@reddit

When's the time for lstc and ltsb if I may ask?

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unixuser011@reddit

Jan 2027 for LTSC 2021

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-enterprise-ltsc-2021

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Kraeftluder@reddit

Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019 is supported until 2029: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-enterprise-ltsc-2019?branch=live

I am never going to use an OS that forces the cloud on me. Don't say Windows 11 doesn't; they're making it exceptionally difficult to get around the account part (for personal use). I have always liked Windows 10 but I'll move to a Linux variant and never use 11 if that's what it comes to.

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ToughHardware@reddit

actually its 2031. dont let MS short sell you

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unixuser011@reddit

for the IoT version it is, for normal LTSC it's 2027

Although I'm still holing out hope that Microsoft changes their mind at the last minute and doesn't go ahead with the 2025 EOL. Windows 11 just isn't ready

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bakanisan@reddit

I'll take it. I've seen windows 11 and tbh I don't like the way it keeps all those settings. It wasn't that bad on 10, why change it on 11 smh.

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KnowledgeTransfer23@reddit

It wasn't that bad on 10, why change it on 11 smh.

Just like jumping into a chilly lake, once you're in, you'll acclimate.

I remember so many arguments about how Win10 was terrible and we should have stayed on Win7 (because, face it, nobody wanted to stay on Win8)!

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greyaxe90@reddit

I remember so many arguments about how Win10 was terrible and we should have stayed on Win7 (because, face it, nobody wanted to stay on Win8)!

Also see: Windows 9x to XP, XP to Vista, Vista to 7... tale as old as time.

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unixuser011@reddit

because, fuck you. that's why /s

but seriously, what ever happened to Windows 10 being 'the last Windows version, ever'

It's fine for the most part, but what with the 24h2 problems, recall, etc. I wouldn't be deploying 24h2 just now, think I'll stick with 23h2

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steveholt480@reddit

Apple stopped calling it OSX and went to OS11 and then 12. Microsoft's marketing team has always had severe number envy, just look at Xbox naming schemes.

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KnowledgeTransfer23@reddit

but seriously, what ever happened to Windows 10 being 'the last Windows version, ever'

From what I've read, it was an errant and incorrect off-hand statement by some engineer that was easily misconstrued (and likely false when uttered). I'd bet if Microsoft could go back in time and change one thing, that might make the shortlist.

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R555g21@reddit

1809 is still good till 2029.

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Top-Tie9959@reddit

The Enterprise IoT version is supported until 2032.

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davidm2232@reddit

When we did the upgrade to Windows 10, Microsoft assured us there would be no more EOL. I am about done with them as a company.

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KnowledgeTransfer23@reddit

Did they assure you? Did they really?

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davidm2232@reddit

I also had our Microsoft account rep tell us specifically that Windows 10 would be continued in perpetuity.

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jfoust2@reddit

There's a free upgrade to Windows 11.

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davidm2232@reddit

Most older hardware will not support Win11.

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jmbpiano@reddit

Yeah. We're not even talking ancient stuff here.

I've got a Dell laptop I just deployed to a user that we bought at the very end of 2018. It's SOL on W11 thanks to its Ryzen 3 2200U CPU being one generation too old.

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themanbow@reddit

If it’s not in writing, it didn’t happen.

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davidm2232@reddit

It was in an email. But that was several years and several jobs ago. I have no idea where it is now

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GMkOz2MkLbs2MkPain@reddit

Windows 10 was the last Windows OS because everyone is migrating to Linux.

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ToughHardware@reddit

yes! i remember this. win 10 forever

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TaiGlobal@reddit

You can’t account for security vulnerabilities
Money
Hype around cloud is post windows 10 development
Money
Hype around AI now post windows 10 development

Ultimately there’s a lot that’s changed in the last decade

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chicaneuk@reddit

And none of these are the average user / customers fault, I should add. I wouldn't mind if Microsoft was struggling financially and had to make moves to consolidate things but their profits are grotesque... in the year ending June 2024 their PROFIT was $171 billion. BILLION. They are making a fortune and they're shitting on customers in the process.. and surely it's only a matter of time until the government gets involved again.

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TaiGlobal@reddit

I contract for a govt agency and the government has bought in and drank the koolaid. They’re all moving to intune/autopilot configured and managed endpoints for windows 11.

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thedarklord187@reddit

oof

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Ihaveasmallwang@reddit

Are you really? What OS is your feasible alternative that doesn't have any major version upgrades ever?

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imthelag@reddit

I'll get hate for this but 50% of our company is using Chrome devices. We are already a Google Shop, so it was pretty transparent for most.

We are lucky that in ecommerce, most things can be access via a web browser. It's been great to not support, nor pay, for Microsoft Office for the last \~12 years. Google Sheets is good enough for most. Anything more "advanced" goes into the ERP system we built. Once you remove creative (graphics, printing, etc), the leftover is really just flipping 0's to 1's. So the Excel vs Sheets debate isn't really a thing here because PHP and MySQL are going to do the hard work, and reallocate labor. How many companies pay people to just move data between systems via a keyboard?

25% is Apple, and the other 25% we will upgrade to Windows 11.

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Ihaveasmallwang@reddit

I wish we could remove printing...

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davidm2232@reddit

I've mostly moved over to Android OS. Upgrades are seamless and basically automatic. Overall, I am done with IT due to how much things change.

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Ihaveasmallwang@reddit

Switching workstations to Android is your solution?

I suppose if all you use are websites. I don't see it as a viable option for most people as apps tend to be less full featured than on Windows and you are missing tons of core OS features that work towards the overall bigger picture.

Oh, and Android updates absolutely break things as well.

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davidm2232@reddit

We only do web browsing. Everything is M365. O365 and D365 mainly.

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james2432@reddit

Linux still here...tick...tick

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Windows-Helper@reddit

On the client side near all Windows 11.

Production is yet to come. Sadly there are almost only Windows 10 machines (But some Windows 11, some Windows 7 and a server 2008R2, but the last two in a DMZ network)

And some 2012 / 2012 R2 left, but will upgrade them soon hopefully.

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Alternative_Love_861@reddit

They can have my windows 10 when they pry it from my cold dead fingers

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Turridunl@reddit

We are almost ready to go, planning Q1 2025. The next few months swapping 66 old laptops. Which we already have in stock. Then use windows update to migrate to windows 11 24h2. So we keep software and userprofile intact. From Windows 7 to 10 we did clean installs, but most time went lost on setting up new profiles and software.

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wrootlt@reddit

24h2? Brave souls :)

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bendem@reddit

We are finally ditching centos 6 with postgres 8.4 next month. Cut us some slack.

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grakef@reddit

How about the reverse? Uninstalling Windows 11 and going to Windows 10 LTSC. I just can’t wrap my head around why Microsoft is forcing businesses into test OS home edition this cycle. We keep seeing the copy and paste bug, search/start bar crashes, and UI issues. I have even more workarounds now to get the menu items I need since somehow Settings is even more useless than its Windows 10 version.

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ToughHardware@reddit

LTSC 2021 supported until end of year 2030. but no direct migration to this build from PRO. Need to do clean re-install. But it is the right call for mission critical, single use applications.

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Seth0x7DD@reddit

Why 2030? The timeline on Microsofts website is 2027, no extended support. The IoT has support until 2032 with extended support.

A lot of packages seem to be lacking extended support, Office 2021 LTSC ends 2026. The FAQ even explicitly states it.

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dispatch00@reddit

Office 2024 LTSC is a thing.

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SDI-tech@reddit

"C R U F T" - ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Fast-Mathematician-1@reddit

All done, baby, and it sucked soooo bad

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osmosisparrot@reddit

In the middle of our Win11 upgrade. Going fairly smoothly.

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Arudinne@reddit

We started deploying Windows 11 over a year ago and I used Intune to start pushing W11 to many existing PCs earlier this year. Just need to work through the small remainder of machines that don't support it. Thankfully nearly all of our machines do support it.

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walks-beneath-treees@reddit

I'm waiting for the moment Microsoft announces Windows 12, which will not be backwards compatible with any existing hardware and will force everyone to buy new computers again.

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Key-Calligrapher-209@reddit

So, Apple's business model?

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jfoust2@reddit

No, they only do that every ten years, to each model.

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polypolyman@reddit

2 user laptops that haven't switched yet (they do support it, but are replaced by next year anyway)
1 QBES17 host that we're able to retire this year (or at least put in a closet until the next time we need to access the old books)
1 specialty device for interacting with $30k equipment, which will just run W10 forever (but will lose network privileges next year).
A plotter that still runs W7 embedded

...so not too bad overall.

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Huge_smegma_producer@reddit

And here I am, having been just upgraded my mother's computer to Windows 10 last week.
In the office, we're still thinking of testing Windows 11.

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c4ctus@reddit

My org is fully on Windows 11.

My personal computers though... I'll ditch 10 when it's no longer supported by Steam.

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YouandWhoseArmy@reddit

Microsoft is a racket and needs to be broken up.

Maybe then we can get an OS that is just an OS and isn't a way for a corporation to force crap nobody wants and nobody asked for to jack up their stock price.

Rent seekers needs to be crushed.

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hellcat_uk@reddit

Intune in and policies and configuration done, zero trust network model in place, applications mostly packaged, GSA out of preview so dropping VPN and deep UAT complete. replacements for non-compatible hardware arriving and end user migrations in progress. Should be done with 6 months to spare.

Anyone not already in flight get your risk acceptance emails out now. Do not have W10 eosl against your name. Unless you're the IT manager signing off the risk, good luck to you.

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Meecht@reddit

I spent the last year getting apps packaged, troubleshooting deployment scripts, creating configurations, etc.

I've begun the testing phase and, so far, no major problems. Only thing is some users complain about boot up slowness and I find stuff like "Microsoft Edge (30)" and "Outlook (6)" in the startup tab? Wtf?

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RikiWardOG@reddit

Haven't seen that but we upgraded a couple years ago actually. What i hate is having to run scripts to get all the bloatwate off an image

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thedarklord187@reddit

You wouldn't happen to be willing to share your magical scripts would you, we were testing win 11 and that was one of the biggest headaches was all the garbage preloaded.

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RikiWardOG@reddit

I've been using Andrew's script: https://github.com/andrew-s-taylor/public/blob/main/De-Bloat/RemoveBloat.ps1

Blog post on it: https://andrewstaylor.com/2022/08/09/removing-bloatware-from-windows-10-11-via-script/

Has been working like a charm

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JwCS8pjrh3QBWfL@reddit

Protip: most of the "bloatware" from Windows is in the store, so if you're in Intune, you can add the app and assign All Devices to Uninstall. No janky scripts needed. For OEM stuff, you can request a clean image when purchasing PCs (at least from the big three), and it will pretty much only have drivers installed.

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RikiWardOG@reddit

that's not the case anymore that was the old business store I thought? But the script I use also removes dell BS along with useless scheduled tasks etc. it's not a big deal I just pull a script from github

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JwCS8pjrh3QBWfL@reddit

Nope, it still works with the new store.

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Meecht@reddit

I hated that, too, but I was able to add the script as a remediation so it runs automatically.

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zed0K@reddit

Normal for those apps, they are containers and broken into sub processes for security and performance reasons.

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PurpleAd3935@reddit

I am 10% away of ending our migration to windows 11.Just 20 more and Ian done

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7ep3s@reddit

set up in-place upgrade via feature update deployment on intune

set up comprehensive reporting leveraging the feature update readiness analytics + enriching it with custom checks to exclude any machines that would have any risk and produces recommendations on what to do with machines at risk

trained the techs on how to use the reporting and how to assign the in-place upgrade and let them rip

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DeputyDumbDumb@reddit

I can't wait. I irrationally hate windows 10 and really like windows 11. I know that'll get my smited here

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BrilliantEffective21@reddit

Pay for extended support. Not a bad idea if you hate win11.

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halxp01@reddit

Laughing in windows 10 LTSC 2019.

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ToughHardware@reddit

the OG

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natefrogg1@reddit

We’ve been slowly making our way, I’m about 1/4 of the way there

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derekxp@reddit

this doesn't imply to windows 10 ltsc iot right?

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ToughHardware@reddit

correct. that support depends on the specific year you have, but generally its 10 years from the launch date.

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ImpossibleLeague9091@reddit

80% of our hardware won't even go windows 11 😂😂

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NoWave8@reddit

There are ways some consider them to be... unnatural.

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farva_06@reddit

I have about 300 machines that are not officially compatible with Win11. There's no way I'm touching every single one of those just so I can hack Win11 on to them.

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thedarklord187@reddit

not to mention that the hacked installs won't download updates or go to any further version. That won't fly in a corporate environment .

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Key-Calligrapher-209@reddit

IME, you don't need any "hacks." Just install it anyway and it's fine.

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Canoe-Whisperer@reddit

*Person wanting to install 11 on incompatible hardware: Is that legal?

*M Lord Sidious: I'll make it legal...

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Kichigai@reddit

Unlimited! POWER!!!

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NoWave8@reddit

gif

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themanbow@reddit

Dew it

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AndyDrew23@reddit

Office 2016 and 2019 are co-terminating EOL with Windows 10

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mj3004@reddit

Felt really good to shut down our final windows 10 workstation in January! We’re in manufacturing

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sieb@reddit

I haven't even upgraded from Windows 7 yet!

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_blackdog6_@reddit

if Microsoft has their way, that's all your hardware. Microsoft isn't a hardware company but they sure have shares companies that are..

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Ummgh23@reddit

We're on LTSC (Have to be).

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Proper-Obligation-97@reddit

Vertical taskbars? Anyone?

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stonecats@reddit

if they didn't extend it already,
they probably will extend eol.

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DiscipleOfYeshua@reddit

It’s basically like graduation. “Well, we’ve finally fixed most of Win10’s serious problems; time to focus on fixing the system we published 3 years ago”.

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Sacharon123@reddit

Why should I? All the Win10 systems I caress are airgapped industrial systems in places where a full realtime system would have been overkill or the software was only win compatible. Most of them cannot go on Win11 as its not certified by the software devs. So what for? Everything that can brought over is brought over. No panic. These systems will go on Win11/12 with the next major hardware upgrade in 5-15 years.

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Darkace911@reddit

All I want for Christmas is a CMMC wavier and Windows 10 EOL Extension but I am not getting either. I would settle for a decent Windows 12 install with a normal toolbar.

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Outrageous_Cupcake97@reddit

Seriously, not trying to be daft, but how does Microsoft get away with forcing people to buy more hardware and dump perfectly working equipment and even high end stuff. That's not clicking in my head. I dumped great boards and i7 chips for this garbage.

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Protholl@reddit

Windows 11 - creating fu**-tons of e-waste like nobody's business. My company has literally thousands of three year old computers that can't run it because of the chipset gate. SMH

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Mattythrowaway85@reddit

I'm leading the charge to Windows 11 for our agency. We have about 14% of them on windows 11 so far. Very little in terms of hiccups. That's about 2,000 in place upgrades and not a single loss of data. My goal is to have our entire agency on every enclave done by June '25. Wish me luck...

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Lukage@reddit

Management wants to wait until next fall to start looking at it. Security team meanwhile badgers me about it.

The two of them aren't allowed to talk to each other, I guess?

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Cutoffjeanshortz37@reddit

That's a year away, I'll worry about that in 11 months.....

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zeroibis@reddit

Almost time to upgrade from xp!

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bingblangblong@reddit

No

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punkwalrus@reddit

I do not envy the technical debt of some of my clients. I don't know the Windows side (I am Linux side), but there's a lot of clients still using Windows 2003 for some vital operations. That's 21 years old. And the kludges to keep them going, ugh.

One of them has some cloud stuff, where they used packer.io (I guess) to make a custom ami because the cloud provider does not support Windows that old. I remember in a screen share, watching our Windows guy log in via a terminal server/jumphost and give a demonstration of whatever we were talking about. It was failing audits, obviously, and was an exception because the software on it was vital to whatever, and they didn't make it after 2003-ish.

So yeah, expect to still see Windows 10 in the late 2040s.

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Igot1forya@reddit

Meanwhile Microsoft is doing a fantastic job jacking up Windows 11 with 24H2.

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ToughHardware@reddit

all win 11 is jacked. what a waste of a professional OS.

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Turbulent-Pea-8826@reddit

I mentioned this in a meeting the other day. The blank uncomprehending looks I got was amazing.

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ZAFJB@reddit (OP)

The blank uncomprehending looks I got was amazing.

Then you need to do some serious education, quickly.

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Turbulent-Pea-8826@reddit

Not my monkey, not my circus. I gave the information they can act on it or not.

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codycarreras@reddit

I’m gonna throw LTSC on my 7th i7 and buy a new Mac Mini for a personal machine. I’m done with this crap.

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raptr569@reddit

Nearly done with windows 11 rollout. Had to replace a few machines because of the CPU age but we replaced most of our fleet with laptops during the Pandemic. Intune worked well.

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zazbar@reddit

Somehow I think ms is going to remind me with full screen ads here in a bit, oh wait they started that 6mo. ago.

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landob@reddit

Oh yeah that reminds me. I need to do something about that 2008R2 FIleserver

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mahsab@reddit

R2 is easy, just in place upgrade to 2022 with maybe a step in between and that's it.

32-bit 2008 ... that one's a pain in the ass, no way but a rebuild.

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talloldlady@reddit

A big reason why I retired a bit early, I did not want to be responsible for replacing over 5000 computers at a university. The researchers were especially problematic. I don’t miss it at all. I’m off for a beautiful fall hike.

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PositiveBubbles@reddit

We only just rid of most windows 7. We still have a stupid amount out there that researchers want to use off the network for experiments and instruments that cost a lot but don't understand when they break they can't get a replacement line for like.

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greywolfau@reddit

What's up with the CONSTANT posts about Win 10 gong EOL?

Is MS just bombarding social media in a vain hope that their lousy adoption rates for 11 suddenly improve?

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TCB13sQuotes@reddit

Yes, however that's for Home/Pro/Enterprise versions, you can move to one of those for more time:

Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC - 2027
Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC - 2032

To be fair I don't really believe that Microsoft will kill it when they say they will. And even if they do it, porting security updates from those LTSC versions into the regular ones might be doable.

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IAMTESTING6666@reddit

Fk Microsoft…i have to replace 700 perfect pcs due to being not compatible with 11. 350 are powerfull CAD workstations, which otherwise would be in service for many many more years in other, not so demanding areas. Problem is due to renovation and moving into other buildings, my already tight budget I get as a school from the state for the next years won’t be anywhere near enough to buy new pcs.

The only good thing is, I have full access to Microsoft VLSC, so LTSC is the way to go and hope, that I can buy new pcs in 2027.

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Stonewalled9999@reddit

*laughs/cries in Windows 2003R1 ERP/LOB servers*

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ApolloWasMurdered@reddit

1 year? This LTS licence says 2029.

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dhanson865@reddit

and I still can't resize the W11 taskbar

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KnowledgeTransfer23@reddit

At a company that's ahead of the curve for once! My site is in the single digit percent remaining of PCs that can be upgraded to Win11 but aren't, and I have just 13 PCs left that cannot be upgraded to Win11 to refresh with new hardware!

I wish everybody could have the support from their company that mine has for security and compliance! Having the budgets from on-high to migrate this year means we have two weeks to finish the above tasks, then a whole year of buffer in case those tasks don't get complete this month!

Good luck, everybody! So far, most software has worked flawlessly on Win11, even if the vendors say it shouldn't. Hope your experience is similar!

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TheJesusGuy@reddit

I'll get around to it once I'm allowed to buy new desktops that I've been asking for for 2 years :)

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KrakusKrak@reddit

Started planning last year, project is underway now, probably will have in place done by EOY, physical upgrades is going to be hard to say at this point, optimistic we can be done by September

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Smassshed@reddit

700ish desktops that are on 6th gen CPUs, or all our desktops.

Windows 10 LTSB for us until we can get them all replaced.

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farva_06@reddit

We just finished our last Windows 8.1 PC though. (small /s)

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Proper_Front_1435@reddit

One of our largest customers just told me off for bothering him about this so early, their fucking 5th gens dual cores still got years of life in them (his staff are miserable).

He said "well deal with this next fall".

So I moved them to the absolute bottom of the list behind eight thousand PCs.

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catwiesel@reddit

thanks, dad...!

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jburm@reddit

What's the best way to deploy windows 11 with custom software? So far, we've just been imaging computers with win10 using WDS and then upgrading to Win11 using WSUS. I attempted to set something up with MDT but couldn't get our custom software to install properly and started exploring third party options for image deployment.

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duranfan@reddit

Ugh, my place is just starting to talk about this. We have 60+ devices that can't be upgraded, and no budget for new hardware at all until next year. Kill me, kill me now.

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wwbubba0069@reddit

Same boat. Close to half or more is not officially supported.

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PrettyAdagio4210@reddit

We still have a lot of Windows 10 machines but most of them are coming up on the end of their warranties, so we are slowing replacing them as needed.

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wes1007@reddit

Finishing up with my busy period and then working on the new image and rollout before end of year.

Only 160 devices so not a massive issue even as a solo.

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Nezothowa@reddit

Use LTSC. Exact same edition and behavior as any other windows edition except home.

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mb194dc@reddit

For a lot of use cases there's a clear $ benefit here. It'll only get easier as well as more software becomes web based.

Don't need Windows for that.

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iamatechnician@reddit

We stopped deploying machines with 10 about three months ago. ~40% are already on 11 now. Currently working through our hardware replacements before we start pushing it to remaining devices. We don’t have crazy software needs so everything has been pretty smooth so far. Aiming to have everything wrapped up by early summer

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eric-price@reddit

We made a plan months ago, and have been working that plan, replacing PCs every month so that in theory we'll be done by next October.

But the reality is if a PC is fit for purpose paying $50 per PC for another year of support is hardly onerous if the alternative you're considering is much more expensive whether you opex or capex it.

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BlazeReborn@reddit

We have already replaced 70% of our hardware, the other 30% will be replaced next year.

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gariflo@reddit

Not ready (lots of computer not supporting it) ans we are already trying to deal with Teams alerts

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hoeskioeh@reddit

For SCCM people I can recommend this report by the SystemCenterDudes.

Relevant information easily accessible. It's free, it's useful.

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kammerfruen@reddit

Nice, that looks pretty good.

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Affectionate_Creme48@reddit

Nahh, join the windows 10 enterprise ltsc gang guys!

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Aqito@reddit

We're going okay so far. All new machines get Windows 11, and I've upgraded most of the machines that can support it.

The holdovers are mostly our manufacturing plant. We're going to buy a few machines a month and gradually replace them.

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Xenoous_RS@reddit

I'm starting to upgrade ours using the Windows 11 feature update ring on InTune. I support a smallish sized company so will be OK to manage. I feel fo you guys having to work through hundreds if not thousands of devices.

I'm gonna miss you, windows 10.

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