Turkey attempts to skewer Germany by regulating döner kebab market
Posted by DegaE@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 31 comments
https://www.euronews.com/business/2024/09/20/turkey-attempts-to-skewer-germany-by-regulating-doner-kebab-market
What do you think about that? I have eaten both the Turkish version and the German and in other western countries and i am not afraid to say that the western döners are better for me.
I am not trying to start a war. Turkish döner are good too, but there is just something better with the western ones.
HeyVeddy@reddit
Berlin kebab is the best in the world, it's not comparable IMO. The Turkish one is not bad by any means but when the world thinks of a great kebab, they think of Berlin style with fresh and roasted vegetables in a crunchy bread, not a skewer on a plate with separated ingredients.
Again, the Turkish one is great, but the Berlin one is just pure class. No point to gatekeep the name especially when it's kind of a Balkan/middle eastern type food in general, not just a Turkish thing
zorki5000@reddit
You've been fooled by german döner lobby into thinking döner as a sandwich or wrap doesn't exist in Turkey, newsflash, it does.
HeyVeddy@reddit
As a sandwich, yes it does, but it is different still. It's a different bread completely, it has grilled vegetables and fresh vegetables, no fries. Those in the photo look kind of like a Balkan burger/pljeskavica as we call it in ex yu
zorki5000@reddit
It's more like a salad then a döner sandwich the german ones, they literally give you a fork because it's impossible to eat it normally, why you like this. It is silly.
Mwarwah@reddit
Where the hell do you get a fork with your german döner? I have never seen that.
HeyVeddy@reddit
I have never seen a fork with a doner. I think you're confusing it with something else. anyways, I live in Berlin and think Turkish people should be proud of the Berlin doner
zorki5000@reddit
I've never been to berlin? I've had Döners in the Netherlands and some other places in Europe and they were bloody awful. I wholeheartedly support not allowing people to serve garbage and call it döner. And when I google berlin döner I see pictures like this of döner made of ground meat, which is shit. Besides as far as I can tell the protected status request is only about the meat itself, not the way its served, so you can put it in a baguette and serve it with sauce andalouse for all I care, just don't serve shit meat and call it döner.
HeyVeddy@reddit
If you haven't been and tried then it is what it is. Lol I'm not Turkish nor German so Idgaf.
zorki5000@reddit
Important bit of comment.
matrimc7@reddit
I'm glad you enjoyed yourself.
But that thing they serve in Berlin is not döner. Worse meat, shitton of sauces, and a lot of assorted shit. Real döner is objectively better.
Plus, what you think is not Döner, it's kebap. At least know your facts before having a strong opinion next time eh.
HeyVeddy@reddit
Let me put it this way, the meat thing were discussing, in a sandwich, is better in Berlin than in turkey lmao. Has nothing to do with sauce, get it without. Has nothing to do with meat, go to real meat places. Has everything to do with amount of vegetables and crunchy bread.
I don't give a shit but I'm amazed at how offended you are by other people prefering a more modern Turkish food than traditional in turkey
Osuruktanteyyare_@reddit
German döner is a travesty anyone using ground meat to make them should be tried at The Hague
HeyVeddy@reddit
I have never seen ground meet in a kebab. Maybe that is somewhere in Germany but in Berlin it is never ground meat. Don't even know how that is possible
PotentialBat34@reddit
It is ground meat. I don't think you are experienced enough to know the difference.
HeyVeddy@reddit
I don't eat that mashed beef whatever it is, which also exists in turkey btw. I think when you're drunk you eat that, which, fair enough you're drunk you don't care, but in Berlin like anywhere else you have layers of actual meat, particularly chicken breast.
The fact that some places offer ground mashed up meat doesn't change the fact that real meat exists as well, which is what I'm talking about. No one cares about the random shitty ground meat except drunk tourists
PotentialBat34@reddit
I know the scene in Berlin, İmren and some other vendors do sell layered meat versions reminiscent to what you can find in Istanbul although meat quality is seriously lacking. The whole ordeal is that meat should be juicy and oily enough so that any kind of sauces should be unnecessary, just some onions, peppers and sometimes potatoes should be enough inside the sandwich and/or dürüm. Although there are variations with sauces inside as well, such as Beyendili Döner or Antakya style.
scarlet_rain00@reddit
Kebab= meat or chicken on skewer served on a plate with various sides
Döner= meat or chicken that is constantly rotating (dönmek as in verb in turkish hence why its called"döner") then cut into smaller leaves and stuffed into sandwich or flatbreat with salads and stuff.
There is no berlin kebab because it isnt even a kebab
HeyVeddy@reddit
Yes, Berlin doner, not kebab skewer. That's just a technicality and doesn't change my point tho
scarlet_rain00@reddit
I dont think anybody thinks of germany when the topic is cuisine
HeyVeddy@reddit
Probably not. But Turkish people made the Berlin doner, not German people. I'm just saying that specific city style is great and seems to be most loved.
People talk about new York pizza, Bordeaux wine, Shanghai noodles, sometimes a city can be particularly famous for a cuisine
ozzyisthere@reddit
but there is just something better with the western ones.
too much sauce makes up for poor quality meat.
afaik Germany doesn't claim döner is theirs but the sandwich. however, sandwich is not a different food, it is a form of service.
If you eat in the right place, there is no chance that the doner in Germany will be better than in Turkey. because they cannot come close to the quality of meat.
Outrageous_Trade_303@reddit
There are many halal restaurants all over Europe and I guess the meat there follows the muslim standards.
ozzyisthere@reddit
It's not about the halal standarts. They don't know how to marinate it, how to cook it. They use ground beef most of the time.
Outrageous_Trade_303@reddit
oh well! TBH I have eaten doner in Europe and also in California and it seemed the same good quality to me. In all cases however it was in the typical mom-and-pops restaurants and the owners there really struggled with English language. I have also eaten doner in big restaurant chains which really sucked. It less doner and more philly steak like.
Aquila_Flavius@reddit
No we fucking dont. Just dont steal our culture, eat döner however you like, just dont claim it as yours.
And please dont spread westoid bullshits here
AsterianosD@reddit
“ better for me “… I mean mate … you get used to the things you grow up with. In Cyprus we always put lemon juice in our kebabs 🤷 is it for everyone ? No . Is it absolutely delicious ? Yes for me at least. But all in all calling it German doner kebab … it’s kind of an insult … call it runden or soemtning.
ayayayamaria@reddit
So basically the want the name döner kebab to be used only if the food is made with a specific recipe, and all other döner types to be called something else? I don't know if that's feasible
zorki5000@reddit
Only the meat, the regulation as far as I can tell has nothing to do with how it's served, the Germans can keep putting it in their bread with half a kilo of salad and drench it in sauce, just they have to do it with proper döner and not ground garbage cut with a machine.
adeadfetus@reddit
You forgot your /s at the end
zorki5000@reddit
How do you people enjoy processed rubber meat covered in glorified ketchup? It's almost always too greasy too.
MedicalJellyfish7246@reddit
Why is this claim even taken seriously?
Is sushi Canadian because one Japanese guy in Vancouver added cucumber and crab to make sushi?
Are tacos or burritos American because we add some additional ingredients to them here?