Found this online at Mid-Atlantic Air Museum, in Reading, PA. Can't find many details.
Posted by RelevantSwitch6320@reddit | WeirdWings | View on Reddit | 62 comments
55pilot@reddit
It appears to be the Custer Channel Wing. I won't go into details here, since there are plenty of them in the comments.
BobbyArden@reddit
One of only two Custer CCW-5s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer_CCW-5?wprov=sfla1
Sprintzer@reddit
That landing speed (15mph) and takeoff distance of 100ft is insane
Fatal_Neurology@reddit
I wonder what the mechanism for the low speed performance was though. I'm thinking the pusher props might have been slightly choked for air because the channel was specifically made to pull air in a certain way and speed that wasn't wide-open like other prop installations. I wonder if from a conservation of energy perspective, engine energy was being spent on building a contorted flow path ahead of the engine rather than raw forward thrust.
But maybe it's not any different than a ducted engine, which are not known to have a performance pentalty. Maybe just higher parasite drag from a significantly longer wing (if you were to trace out the whole length of the leading edge thru the channel shape)?
iamalsobrad@reddit
A channel wing is essentially a very blown wing. The props pull air through the channel creating a low pressure area. The channel is both a guide and prevents air coming up from the high pressure side.
It's remarkably effective. Custer's first prototype was damaged when he was taxiing it around an airfield and accidentally took off. Custer was not a pilot so bent the landing gear when he came down hard. On paper, if the engines are powerful enough and you have an appropriate control system, these are VTOL.
There is a 'but' though. They are very, very good at going slow, and very, very bad at going fast. Drag and weird interactions between the channels and the props cause ~~BN Islander~~ dangerous levels of vibration above certain speeds.
Plus, if you lose power whilst slow (i.e. when landing or taking off) the aircraft takes on the aspect of a brick, drops out of the sky, and kills you. Losing one engine means it flips over and super-kills you.
The biggest problem (IMO) with them is that they don't really have a use case. If you need that sort of short take-off performance, you get a helicopter. If you need a reasonably fast 5 seat twin, you get a Cessna 310 (or whatever).
Fatal_Neurology@reddit
There's definitely a niche for STOL and range/endurance, it just doesn't seem to be habitually exploited. Nobody is used to taking advantage of ultra-STOL like this. The aviation marketplace has certainly shown that speed will take a back seat to other efficiencies, but the advantages seem to be in more of the small bushcraft space where there isn't really a major economic sector maturing innovative ideas.
iamalsobrad@reddit
For sure, but I don't think the channel wing brings enough to the table to justify the downsides that come with it.
If a helicopter is good enough to fill most of the ultra-STOL niche and a regular STOL aircraft is good enough to fill most of the range / endurance / bush-plane niche then who's going to care about oddball jank like the channel wing?
Foreign_Athlete_7693@reddit
Hell surely an autogyro is perfect for the remaining niches not covered by those😅
SpookSkywatcher@reddit
I actually remember an original presentation of this desigh on TV news in San Diego by a company seeking investors. They explained that lift was due to lower pressure above the wing than below, so why not incorporate propulsion that created such low pressure where it would also create lift? I was just a kid then, but it seemed to make sense.
fireandlifeincarnate@reddit
wow, what a novel concept
herzogzwei931@reddit
Similar concept of the Vought V-173 flying pancake where the engine thrust is directed over the wings creating lift .
maurymarkowitz@reddit
But of course, he claimed 0 ft and 0 mph.
JimboTheSimpleton@reddit
Nonsense, It's a rebel alliance W wing.
rocket_randall@reddit
The design originates from the early Cold War days after an aeronautical engineer saw his reflection in the mirror after 3 gallons of coffee, 54 cigarettes, and not sleeping for 4 days.
just_anotherReddit@reddit
I think the coke fueled era was much more interesting
LeicaM6guy@reddit
So a typical maintenance shift?
dhlock@reddit
Wow 1953 is much earlier than I expected.
Kasphet-Gendar@reddit
ikr? The fuselage looks much more modern to me, like something off of 70s at the earliest
LightningFerret04@reddit
13kt landings??
Signal_Quarter_74@reddit
Great museum, very weird collection. Very befitting of Reading
Daetah@reddit
What in the goddamn…
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Jet_plane
Lord_Hardbody@reddit
CRAZY that this is a video game airplane based on a real craft that had only two prototypes and minimal flight hours. What the!! HOW
itsmejak78_2@reddit
Not even the rarest aircraft in Fallout
Wright Flyer I is in Fallout 3
Red-Truck-Steam@reddit
A favorite of the local Jean Skydiving and the ever-useless Searchlight Airport
magnuman307@reddit
Imagine being one of the people that live in Jean Nevada and having your entire town reduced to a metal shed and a runway in game meanwhile that the ghost town 30 mins away is larger than the real one.
pchambers89@reddit
🤷♂️
vampyire@reddit
Hey the MAAM!! USed to live nearby and that was my 'home' aviation museum
Apollonik24@reddit
The mid Atlantic air museum is a favorite museum of mine, weird aircraft etc. You should definitely check the WW2 weekend they have there, I have no clue about the plane though.
fritzco@reddit
The scheme is the curved wing under the engine gets extra lift from the increased air flow drawn in by the engine.
Yachooo@reddit
Ccw-5. Cool aircraft and concept. There was a prototype of na air taxi using it. I did my master thesis on channel wings. They work but are not efficient. To much weight/drag increase to substantiate their use in modern aircraft.
Yachooo@reddit
For interested, I found the company making the air taxi concept. They are called HopFlyt. They have some interesting designs. Who knows maybe channel wings will be used some day
Healey_Dell@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sn5JL9t_C4
Impressive. Surprised Army/Navy weren't interested? I guess there must be a downside...
Shankar_0@reddit
"No, but what if the wings were desperately afraid of the engines?! Think about it, man!!"
-- This one coked up aircraft designer
radio-tuber@reddit
Is there enough wing area to keep flying if you lose an engine? Seems like a mandatory flat spin: loss of lift, loss of thrust on same wing.
noofa01@reddit
https://youtu.be/_EGkWyl-9u8?si=f1R0Ex84wDBMfFEf
radio-tuber@reddit
It just jumped off the runway! Never seen anything like it! 😎
NF-104@reddit
Wings & Airpower magazine did an article on it. You can probably buy an electronic copy of the issue.
ashem213@reddit
I'm sorry you had to go to Reading.
TalkingFishh@reddit
I did not know the Fallout New Vegas jet was real
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Jet_plane
It's design was so out there I actually assumed it was original despite how much real aircraft are used in the games.
KerPop42@reddit
funnily enough, the design doesn't work with jets! The it's a prop version of a blown wing, where the prop pulls air over the channel
Plump_Apparatus@reddit
That's a good comparison.
ischyros_al@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_wing?wprov=sfla1
Fatal_Neurology@reddit
OK these things do some really impressive STOL performance! Didn't think they would be so legit, wow
Corvid187@reddit
Holy shit it actually kinda works
TheBigMotherFook@reddit
After hearing it explained that it’s about the speed of the air and not the airspeed, it makes a lot of sense. This is effectively using the props to suck air through the channels and create lift independently from the rest of the wing which relies on the airspeed of the plane. In a sense it’s like a fan car, where a race car will have fans mounted in the back, which sucks air from underneath the car to create constant downforce at any speed. Neat.
dwn_n_out@reddit
There has to be a test video somewhere of this flying.
TheProcesSherpa@reddit
Go into the museum, there’s a whole video and display case about it.
Ozma207@reddit
https://www.custerchannelwing.net/TheAircraft_bs.html
CharlesFXD@reddit
Channel wings are awesome. Im imagining a C-130 with them now. Hmmmm
interstellar-dust@reddit
They were very afraid of the engines falling /s
Altruistic_Apple_252@reddit
Yes, the principle works.
Here's today's modern version: https://hopflyt.com/
Videos of a scale model in flight from just a few months aqo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyKTqd8FTkw
InterGluteal_Crease@reddit
How did i miss this thing?
Dangerous-Salad-bowl@reddit
Not to be confused with an Antonov An-181.
xerberos@reddit
I don't know if it still exists, or if the ruzzkies blew it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_181
https://maps.app.goo.gl/n7nvQgV4eYxkNAyL7
Dangerous-Salad-bowl@reddit
Yes, I saw it there in 2018. Who if it’s still there… (50.4072776, 30.4588159)
xerberos@reddit
I saw it in 2018 too. Great museum, and I finally saw the (marine version of) the Bear.
Dangerous-Salad-bowl@reddit
You mean this one? https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/s/BnBRNMaaUW
xerberos@reddit
Yeah, that's the one.
Bonespurfoundation@reddit
If you understand airfoils then this makes a lot of sense.
You are channeling 100% of the engines intake airflow over the wing, which in turn generates extra lift. What you get is excellent STOL characteristics and insane stability at very high AOAs.
FZ_Milkshake@reddit
Someone figured out it's not the airspeed that makes a plane fly, it's the speed of the air over the wings. Apparently somewhat tricky to land, as you are reducing/increasing power and lift at the same time.
Kunsip@reddit
I think I saw this one up for auction on govdeals a while back? I may be wrong it was a similar looking aircraft
KerPop42@reddit
The channel wing! I love it, it's been a dream of mine to get a drone to work with it.