Scientists sound alarm after whale's death signals worrisome behavior change: 'The ocean seems to be changing'
Posted by Portalrules123@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 118 comments
ZenApe@reddit
Just the oceans dying. No cause for alarm.
Slamtilt_Windmills@reddit
Reminder, the oceans dying is the basis for Soylent Green
Maj0r-DeCoverley@reddit
No cause for alarm then. Soylent Industries assured us things would be fine, they're already working on recipes bases on recycled cardboard and insects. They may have even yummier ideas and secrets ingredients coming
drakekengda@reddit
Honestly, grasshoppers actually make for good food, I got a grasshopper burger once, liked it
Hilda-Ashe@reddit
My people are used to eat fresh grasshopper from the rice fields. We used to pick them fresh and roast them. It's pretty nice. But most of the rice fields are now suburbia and due to pesticides and untreated sewage, it's now too dangerous to eat what few grasshoppers remaining.
pukesonyourshoes@reddit
Fuck, that's terrible.
Maj0r-DeCoverley@reddit
I also ate several kind of insects on several occasions. Found it neither good nor bad, they're often grilled or buried in spices. I'd prefer not to make a habit of it, but if it comes to that I know I'm ready to eat insects without problems :)
TrickyProfit1369@reddit
pan fried mealworms taste like chips
supersunnyout@reddit
What if I had a cake that was made out of ladybugs!
Fickle_Blueberry2777@reddit
You’d probably get sick as hell because ladybugs secret toxins, and IIRC, it has to be a fairly high dose to hurt a human. Making a cake of them seems like the right amount of ladybugs to make you (at least) barf.
TrickyProfit1369@reddit
I HATE lady bugs. Kill ladybugs. Behead ladybugs. Roundhouse kick a ladybugs into the concrete. Slam dunk a ladybugs into the trashcan. Crucify filthy ladybugs. Defecate in a ladybugs food. Launch ladybugs into the Purple Sun. Stir fry ladybugs in a wok. Toss ladybugs into active volcanoes. Urinate on ladybugs warp stone. Judo throw ladybugs into a wood chipper. Twist ladybugs heads off. Report ladybugs to the Witch hunters. Karate chop ladybugs in half. Curb stomp pregnant ladybugs. Trap ladybugs in quicksand. Crush ladybugs in the trash compactor. Liquefy ladybugs in a vat of acid. EAT ladybugs. Dissect ladybugs. Exterminate ladybugs in the gas chamber. Stomp ladybugs skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate ladybugs in the oven. Lobotomize ladybugs. Mandatory abortions for ladybugs. Grind ladybugs fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown ladybugs in fried chicken grease. Vaporize ladybugs with the Sunmaker rocket battery. Kick old ladybugs down the stairs. Feed ladybugs to kroxigors. Slice ladybugs with a axe.
My_2Cents_666@reddit
Except insects are dying off as well.
drakekengda@reddit
Yeah, I had some grilled insects as well, kind of neutral about those too. But I do like the ground up ones. Hotdogs contain pretty shitty animal parts and I like them too, so might as well get some bug burgers
nekromantiks@reddit
I used to buy "jungle bars" that were made from cricket powder and they were tasty as fuck. I'd try a grasshopper burger, I don't think I could ever try one of those mosquito burgers though lol
ZenApe@reddit
I had deep fried scorpions in Beijing 20 years ago. Pretty good.
drakekengda@reddit
Thanks, I'll be sure to try them out if I ever come across them!
Conscious-Trifle-237@reddit
Dry roasted crickets are relatively palatable
Fickle_Stills@reddit
read the book! its actually a pretty interesting take on overpopulation. It's sorta alternative history in that the "cause" for the crisis is that birth control was never widespread or legalized. It was published in 1966 - Griswold v Connecticut was 1965 so he was probably writing it as that court case was ongoing. And most surprisingly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_Room!_Make_Room!
m0nk37@reddit
Not like its a world ending event.
Least-Lime2014@reddit
You're just watching the second great dying happening folks, google the first one if you want to catch a glimpse of our future.
lagomorphed@reddit
I've been mentally making this comparison for a while now... it's beyond eery.
Least-Lime2014@reddit
it's pretty obvious when you look at earths CO2 ppm over millions of years. Also the fact that the great dying was started by a super volcano eruption igniting a massive amount of coal. Doesn't take a genius to look at that and then look at what's going today to figure out where we are headed.
He2oinMegazord@reddit
Do you have off hand a link for the volcano/coal thing? Ive read a few things with different theories ab the catalyst, but have a morbid curiosity about it
Least-Lime2014@reddit
https://new.nsf.gov/news/volcanic-coal-burning-siberia-led-climate-change
just pulled one off google, but this theory has been the leading theory of the permian extinction for quite some time now with more and more recent findings supporting it.
lagomorphed@reddit
Yep. When I try to bring this up in the real world, though, it's like I've got 9 heads. So it's reassuring in some way to know it's writing on the wall to anyone who is paying attention.
smallcanadien@reddit
I feel the same way. My partner thinks I’m being too “doom and gloom” about it all. He says “they’ve been saying the world’s gonna end for forever.” I’m too tired to know how to respond anymore.
ObeseNinjaX@reddit
The mistake called humans.
buttonsbrigade@reddit
Brah the daily heartbreak these days 😢
springcypripedium@reddit
Heartbreak over humans killing of miraculous species combined with witnessing the delusional, crazy thinking among a critical mass of people (maga people)
It's not even about being able to hold 2 things at once anymore! It has been said that holding two opposing thoughts in our heads at the same time is the hardest and most important skill. We are supposed to "embrace the messy gray".
This is WAY beyond "messy gray".
This is utterly mind blowing🤯. Who the hell knows how to cope with all this at once while not being in denial? This is new terrain for all life on earth. Humans are not equipped to deal with this "polycrisis" and the total destruction (by humans) of our life support system.
FirmFaithlessness212@reddit
Everything living eats other living things. There's a lot of suffering involved. Humans are the ultimate result of this process of killing. We stand at the apex and it's basically destiny that we kill everything and end it all.
Poile98@reddit
yep
“The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute that it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease. It must be so. If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural state of starvation and misery is restored. In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.” -Richard Dawkins
springcypripedium@reddit
Is embracing and living life with indifference (in accordance with the properties of the universe per Dawkins) easier?
I try to embrace being an agnostic. don't think I could ever be at the level of staunch atheism as Richard Dawkins----who, btw, gave my neighbors covid on a cruise (a cruise, of all things!) last year.
Dawkins coughed all over them with no apologies. His behavior was a perfect example of how the selfish gene expresses itself! Lol. And these neighbors fully embrace Dawkins beliefs (which is why they went on a f--ing cruise, an expensive cruise, with him). They believe in collapse, hoping it is slow so they will get to spend all their money (they have $$$$) before everything collapses. Yes, they said this.
If I truly believed that we just exist in a universe of "pitiless indifference" (see Dawkins quote cited by Poile98 below) I certainly wouldn't waste my time on r collapse or r collapse support.
Empathy, compassion, critical thinking . . . . these human traits make detaching . . . . . letting go and accepting our condition a bit more challenging----at least for me.
In many ways, indifference would be easier. I wouldn't be fretting about the u.s. "election" and the murder (by humans) and resultant decline of over 70+ % of species since 1970.
To really live in a state of indifference (the rule of the universe according to Dawkins) imo, is malignant narcissism where there is no capacity for love. An oft repeated quote is: the opposite of love is indifference.
But alas, these are the questions that no one really knows the answers to. I believe that is impossible. We will never know why were are here, why the universe exists in this form that we are in. Maybe autotrophs get it, lol.
Poile98@reddit
My level of skepticism rises with the specificity of religious claims. I am as certain as I am of anything (99.99%) that the Bible, Koran, etc were not handed down by an infinite supernatural intelligence.
As for a deistic conception of God that just created the universe and stood back and continues to not intervene in human affairs, I can’t be as certain though I strongly doubt it. This God is merely a personification of our ignorance. How likely is it to meaningfully correspond to anything outside of our brain? What would that even look like?
The mere fact that there’s something rather than nothing, however, is an inscrutable miracle that reminds me to never count out anything with 100 percent surety.
And, another thing, just because the universe is indifferent doesn’t mean we have to be. It just means that it’s entirely on each individual to decide what is meaningful to them. I remind myself of that Dawkins quote from time to time in order to keep my sanity by realizing that I’m not owed anything and I shouldn’t expect a satisfying, tidy resolution to the existential conundrums that continually fuck with my mind. The man could be a flaming asshole in his private life and it wouldn’t detract one iota from the respect I have for his intellect.
springcypripedium@reddit
"I’m not owed anything and I shouldn’t expect a satisfying, tidy resolution to the existential conundrums that continually fuck with my mind."
Well said, thanks!👏
springcypripedium@reddit
"Everything living eats other living things."
Except autotrophs! If there is reincarnation, let me come back as an autotroph! No more killing.
dumnezero@reddit
Eating up the world’s food web and the human trophic level | PNAS
Relevant-Goose-3494@reddit
Just wait till there is nothing to eat and they have to eat each other
Collapsosaur@reddit
I feel for the young people in school or studying for a future career and life. They then run across a story like this. They spend a little of their time connecting the dots. Then it dawns on them how real it is since nobody is talking how utterly bad and serious it is. They end their day in silent despair.
Tumbleweed_Chaser69@reddit
This was me, figured it out when I was 16 in school, it ruined any hopes and dreams I had
buttonsbrigade@reddit
Yup- exactly how I feel.
BurrowBird@reddit
To think that we could’ve found ways to bolster our fellow species and shape the land for more biological diversity.
Instead, $2 taquito rolls at Texaco.
IIIIlIIIlIIlIl@reddit
I don't know how exactly but I feel like the game Death Stranding fortold of this whale death eventuality.
RodriG40@reddit
Kojima is a genius. He predicted the whole AI craze in 2009, to an scaringly accurate degree.
NSFW_hunter6969@reddit
All this fear mongering, every year the whales die. New ones just grow back, been that way since I was kid. Media is just trying to sell us fear on the climate tax.
OpenCommune@reddit
liberals think like this because they are soulless spore based fungal lifeforms, not humans
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IIIIlIIIlIIlIl@reddit
I'm not allowed to be mean on here, which is a good thing.
But have you ever thought about the fact that you might be a terrible person? Just asking questions.
ProdigiousPeen@reddit
Probably should be allowed to be mean to the deniers, nothing else works, and it's kinda thier fault we're all going to suffer horribly before we probably get eaten by climate cannibals. What's the point of being nice to them?
Static_Nothing@reddit
Interesting. Looking into this. /s
auhnold@reddit
I guess this begs the question: if an emergency alarm is sounded but no one heads it for 60 years, is there really an emergency?
Scientists have been sounding the alarm since the 1960’s; it’s not good for profits so nothing will be done.
supersunnyout@reddit
More like 1860's
Arisotura@reddit
Gotta love the end of that article. The oceans are dying, but do your part and recycle and all, you will help save the world!
At some level it's like if your house was on fire and you decided to grab a spray bottle and furiously spritz at the fire and convince yourself that you're helping.
supersunnyout@reddit
It's akin to a finger wag at the reader. You did this, now clean up your room.
traveledhermit@reddit
Reusable straws are the answer.
dumnezero@reddit
Using a strong steel straw to >!puncture car tires!< may do more good.
Arisotura@reddit
heheh
Portalrules123@reddit (OP)
SS: Related to collapse as in the Canadian province of Nova Scotia, several whales have been observed travelling up rivers, possibly in search of food that they can no longer find in the ocean, with one whale sadly being found dead upriver as a result. Scientists are concerned that this is yet another symptom of the collapsing ocean ecosystems that we are seeing happen in real time. Warming oceans lead to changes in food and behaviour for marine mammals like whales and dolphins, with the latter also being spotted in areas they wouldn’t previously go to. RIP to the whale in the article, and if the oceans eventually die, everything dies.
firekeeper23@reddit
Are they perhaps following salmon or char up river?
Outrageous_Laugh5532@reddit
Humpback whales don’t eat salmon
Substantial_Impact69@reddit
They eat Krill right?
Outrageous_Laugh5532@reddit
Yup
beanscornandrice@reddit
The smallest species will be the first to go and those are the building blocks of the food chain so if the larger animals are starting to die off because they have no food then that is seriously a worrying sign that we are much further along than they are saying.
NoseyMinotaur69@reddit
https://medium.com/@samyoureyes/the-busy-workers-handbook-to-the-apocalypse-7790666afde7
walkinman19@reddit
There it is, no copium detected. The noise from the news media will continue to be "Don't look up" until collapse is at our doorsteps in 10 years or so.
NoseyMinotaur69@reddit
I want to share 7 - 7.3 but im too lazy to copy and paste and then insert all the links rn. I might reformat the paper for reddit soon
zefy_zef@reddit
..the fuck did he have to say that for?
sigh..
NoseyMinotaur69@reddit
Follow Richard Crims substack:
The Crisis Report
It's basically the same thing, but updated along with recent events and news, with floating projections of what the next few years will look like.
NoseyMinotaur69@reddit
I read it from start to finish. Felt like watching a horror film
zefy_zef@reddit
Yeah, that's uhh. Bad bad. Like really not good bad.
beanscornandrice@reddit
I've been contemplating printing this off into a nice little pamphlet and just leaving them in random places all over town.
NoseyMinotaur69@reddit
Its only 57 pages. Or 30 double sided
My_2Cents_666@reddit
And small fish, like anchovies and sardines.
OuterLightness@reddit
They are krill.
firekeeper23@reddit
Ahhh sorry I didn't see they were humpbacks
Outrageous_Laugh5532@reddit
No worries. the overcooking of planet was probably getting to you, it happens to the best of us.
firekeeper23@reddit
Yes. Sadly yes it does... and I grasped for the straw of usual yet occasional behavior in the face of overwhelming truth that we are in fact fackin doomed and its sad to be witness to the devistation
Outrageous_Laugh5532@reddit
Have you tried turning it off and turning it back on?
firekeeper23@reddit
A few times now sadly. But it always ends up with the same thing...
Speckhen@reddit
Original article on CBC news, with pictures:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/humpback-whale-stuck-in-stewiacke-river-has-died-1.7254388
gimlet_prize@reddit
I grieve for them. It feels like the wilderness is dying of cancer and we are watching it wither away.
Xae1yn@reddit
We aren't just watching, we're the cancer
Spec187@reddit
Bingo, let's keep growing our population though.....
walkinman19@reddit
Right. Every single article I have ever read about human population decline in a country is always made to be a catastrophe.
We must have ever increasing numbers of people to fill up the bank accounts of the billionaires even more. Anything less is communism of course.
Ecstatic_Mechanic802@reddit
Yes. We need to think about the economy and the billionaires. Won't someone please think of the billionaires!
psychoalchemist@reddit
You mean the primary malignant tumors??
3rdWaveHarmonic@reddit
This isn’t said enough.
PsudoGravity@reddit
Top of the food chain baby! /s
bipolarearthovershot@reddit
Don’t worry we’ll be net zero by 2075 /s /lmaoooo
Top_Hair_8984@reddit
♥️♥️♥️
PervyNonsense@reddit
Called it. This year will be carnage in the oceans... like every other year before but now it's coming for the species we care about
walkinman19@reddit
There is this too:
Billions of crabs went missing around Alaska. Scientists now know what happened to them
BILLIONS of snow crabs died in the overheated ocean way up in Alaska. It's not just going to affect them. Our day is coming as well.
asaural@reddit
Isn't it because of some war submarine sonar being overused? We can see a rise in tension globally and maybe they are deploying and practicing before the next stupid global war?
My_2Cents_666@reddit
There were 337 sei whales that washed up on a rugged coast in southern Chile back in 2015. They are the size of humpbacks. Imagine that! Hardly a word anywhere in the news and they never did come up with the cause because of the advanced stage of decomposition. I highly suspect sonar.
pro-window@reddit
So when you pollute the oceans for over several hundred years and eat all the fish and release so much carbon that it can't keep up... Why are some people surprised that it's changing?
Mission-Notice7820@reddit
bashes master alarm button to silence it
Static_Nothing@reddit
When I was young I wanted to be a marine biologist. I wonder if when it’s empty of all life and boiling we can finally see what’s down there
dumnezero@reddit
antilaugh@reddit
Sure it's changing, it's becoming sterile.
dumnezero@reddit
Mostly sterile. It's not yet clear what small organisms may bloom in such warm waters.
Rygar_Music@reddit
If the oceans die then it’s game over
beanscornandrice@reddit
When the oceans die
IIIIlIIIlIIlIl@reddit
Ocean death by next Tuesday
dumnezero@reddit
Venus is when the oceans ascend to their paradise.
dumnezero@reddit
Outrageous-Scale-689@reddit
Chris Farley skit about starving the whales comes to mind. Miss his humor.
SnapesGrayUnderpants@reddit
It's one thing that we are extincting ourselves but profoundly heartbreaking that we are probably going to take most other species with us.
talltimbers2@reddit
How can I profit from this?
Velocipedique@reddit
Removal of the base of the food chain, i.e. plankton/nekton aka krill, by altering their environment, including acidification, has consequences all the way to the very top. Top feeders include baleen whales and homonids.
sweetbabykaye@reddit
🥲🥲🥲🥲
StupidSexySisyphus@reddit
Don't forget that you have to file your taxes by tomorrow, guys. I mean we gotta keep this entire economic system of killing ourselves along with the planet and all other life forms going because we made up imaginary numbers to justify doing all of this insane bullshit.
daviddjg0033@reddit
The rivers, including the Black River in Amazon/Brazil dried up exposing fish to high temperatures in the small pools of polluted water left. And this is a worldwide problem: The Ohio and Mississippi Rivers need dredged because of low water levels prohibiting boat transport (mainly agricultural goods) that pass through 120 year old locks and dams on the Ohio.
70% of all wildlife has been extincted - with river and delta life experiencing the highest rate of extinction because of river pollution in Asia and Europe. Read about the pink dolphins and cry with me.
The oceans are boiling climatereanalyzer.org
I'm tired, boss
NyriasNeo@reddit
"seem to be"? That is optimistic and wrong. The ocean *is* changing. Isn't the whales telling us exactly that?
MizBucket@reddit
This is so heartbreaking. I dread that more whales including orcas and beautiful sea mammals and fish will suffer as time goes on. I don't know if I can bear it. 😭
Ok_Mechanic_6561@reddit
Business as usual for the world I bet though
Maj0r-DeCoverley@reddit
"Scientists sound alarm"
Hah. You almost got me. Everyone knows "scientists" just mean "the marketing department of my enemies", and that alarms can't exist: soundwaves are flat. Do you own researchs
Big-Kaleidoscope-182@reddit
"seems" ?
StatementBot@reddit
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Portalrules123:
SS: Related to collapse as in the Canadian province of Nova Scotia, several whales have been observed travelling up rivers, possibly in search of food that they can no longer find in the ocean, with one whale sadly being found dead upriver as a result. Scientists are concerned that this is yet another symptom of the collapsing ocean ecosystems that we are seeing happen in real time. Warming oceans lead to changes in food and behaviour for marine mammals like whales and dolphins, with the latter also being spotted in areas they wouldn’t previously go to. RIP to the whale in the article, and if the oceans eventually die, everything dies.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1g3knnv/scientists_sound_alarm_after_whales_death_signals/lrwha3x/
_Dr_Doom@reddit
Doom.