What is this?
Posted by GDmQh4Jt@reddit | sailing | View on Reddit | 46 comments
Hello all,
New to me, older boat of someone who is a novice sailor. Do you know what these holes/cleats are. Do you know what their porpoise of these openings are with the horns? It’s located at midship without any spring line cleats. Just wondering if there was a way of utilizing them or fastening lines to them.
Thank you!
saywherefore@reddit
It looks like a combination cleat and fairlead, so you would bring springs etc in through the hole and make fast on the horns.
regattaguru@reddit
This is correct. Use both horns as a cleat, don’t just loop over one horn. They are a nice way to keep the side deck clear of ankle busting midship cleats.
nicholhawking@reddit
Idk seems to move the injury from ankle to toe.. not sure which I prefer
tokingnomad@reddit
You don't wear steel toe deck slippers?
nicholhawking@reddit
Worst boating injury so far: Smashed pinky on winch barefoot while putting a tarp up for shade in slip -_-
GulfofMaineLobsters@reddit
Not a sailing injury but I was on a boat when it happened. Hooking up to a trawl (offshore lobster trawl, so 50pots strung out on a ± mile of "ground line" big anchor weights on each end) got pinched in some unlaying line, and my hand got sucked through the hauler... Good news I can still count to 18.5! Bad news, I used to be able to count to twenty...
Living_Stranger_5602@reddit
Could put a fender on it too
owlbehome@reddit
I call it a chock
sharpescreek@reddit
Fairlead cleat. Great for spring lines or fenders or docklines.
ratafria@reddit
I do not know what it is, but it looks like we would intuitively know how to use it. I like it.
It can also easily break a pinky...
Elowan66@reddit
I was thinking those are great ankle breakers.
feastu@reddit
Not quite as bad as a deck-mounted cleat.
Weak-Beautiful5918@reddit
Haws with horns. Had them on several boats and loved them.
GDmQh4Jt@reddit (OP)
Good to know. I appreciate your input
Illustrious_Low_6086@reddit
It's mainly used to stop tie up lines catching on other rigging
wevanscfi@reddit
It’s a fairlead but I haven’t seen that style before. It does look like you are supposed to just loop a spliced end of a line around the horn and then lead it through.
Personally, I don’t I like the setup. It does seem too easy for a line to slip the horn if there is too much slack on the line. It’s probably fine in most weather though, and I’m assuming this is on smaller boat that’s not intended to be docked unattended for long.
blueberrybannock@reddit
Why wouldn’t you use a cleat hitch here?
wevanscfi@reddit
On first glance it didn’t look like a cleat hitch would work without support under where the hitch crosses. Based on other responses, I guess it does work…
GDmQh4Jt@reddit (OP)
Yeah that’s what I didn’t initially, but got too nervous if there was too much slack and it got loose. It just run the spring lines from the bow/stern to the center cleat on the dock. It’s a 38’ Morgan
Westreacher@reddit
Hawse cleat. Yep, it’s a thing. Prob started as a quick and dirty solution that became accepted practice.
hoosarestillchamps@reddit
Little baby, Panama chick with horns
joethedad@reddit
Toe shredder....
steampunktomato@reddit
This one has been tickling the back of my brain for a while now, just looked it up. HAWSE HORNS!
Loud-Eggplant4789@reddit
I was thinking haws pipe cleat. This sounds way more interesting
cool_hand_legolas@reddit
as soon as i saw it i was THATS A HAWSE but i learned that word on boats and never saw it written so had no idea had to spell it lol
rrickitywrecked@reddit
We’ve already established that a porpoise won’t fit through, so how could a horse possibly fit (with or without horns).
StellarJayZ@reddit
Combi cleat/deck drain?
lost_cays@reddit
It is a cleat-hawsehole or hawse pipe. https://www.generalpropeller.com/cleat-hawse-pipes?srsltid=AfmBOorNyKhXKeLW-2OWKBOvaks9IOJyvDDig9UiB9L9lSZHWuVTWhTR
GDmQh4Jt@reddit (OP)
This is it. What’s the best application for it and what’s the best knot to use?
lost_cays@reddit
Mooring and anchoring. Use a cleat hitch.
shujaa-g@reddit
I could imagine putting the rope for a bumper through the hole and then looping it around the cleats.
uthyrbendragon@reddit
Or even a fender
GDmQh4Jt@reddit (OP)
Yeah that’s what the old owner had there
scriminal@reddit
or a dock line
bisonsashimi@reddit
It’s a scupper fr’ld cleat
NumerousTooth3921@reddit
Hawsehole with cleat built in
scriminal@reddit
you'll never fit a porpoise through there :)
rrickitywrecked@reddit
Unlike octopi, the skeletal structure of the porpoise would absolutely prevent passage through such a hole.
SailorBenny@reddit
Who’s got a shredder?
sailordadd@reddit
Spring line fairlead and cleat...
SwvellyBents@reddit
The item in question is specifically designed to convince sailors to not go barefoot. Yacht designers all have a cruel streak in them.
Fullsleaves@reddit
I already have the most pitifully pained feet, and yet I still subject them to such cruelties
TheAceOrca@reddit
Do not rely on it for load bearing jobs. Have seen more than one get ripped out and they are difficult to replace.
1899190@reddit
A very useful cleat placed midships for docking
rmslashusr@reddit
The line on the right is going to wear away at the teak rail whereas the fair lead pictured would let the line slide in and out etc with the rocking of the boat without damaging the wood.
get_MEAN_yall@reddit
It's a combination chock and cleat. You can tie it like a normal cleat.