THAAD defense battery to be sent to Israel, along with troops

Posted by fre-ddo@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 510 comments

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bonesrentalagency@reddit

Honestly ridiculous that American boots are going to be on the ground in Israel when the idf is actively attacking UN peace keepers and still conducting a genocidal campaign in Gaza.

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nixnaij@reddit

What has UNIFIL been doing these last 4 decades? Has there been any progress in enforcing Resolution 1701? At this point UNIFIL is just being used at meat shields and should just get out.

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zeth4@reddit

Like Israel is one to talk when it comes to sub-par enforcement of UN resolutions.

"Hamas has been largely defeated militarily in the entire Gaza Strip, and it is now effectively a guerrilla terror group that will take some more time to dismantle."

Ukraine has received a lot of aid, it's true. But they haven't had an anti-aircraft battery manned by US soldiers to protect against aerial threats, even though they are under more severe aerial attack than Israel, and face more severe and existential military threats in general.

I said I didn't want to downplay the deaths tolls in Gaza. My comment was never meant to compare those two.

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GynecologicalSushi@reddit

What do you mean by civ+mil? Also, your number is a minimum, not the actual civilian deaths in ukraine.

I stand corrected on the casualty numbers here. 12, 000 is the number of civilian deaths only. Military not included.

apparently literally boys/girls

https://i.imgur.com/xtjjWcJ.jpeg

No I’m saying only Gazaians are getting killed by missile because only Israel has any defenses

I would say the exact same thing.

It's defensive, but it also means that if Iran attacks there's a chance of killing US troops, which will make it much easier for the US to get directly involved.

That's what this is about.

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zapporian@reddit

…not really. They’d be attacking with, what, cruise missiles (iron dome + patriot + israeli + jordanian et al air forces), and at most maybe ballistic missiles (ie what the THAAD is for)

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whatisthisnowwhat1@reddit

It's so israel can "defend" themselves with their attack on iran and iran can't "defend" themselves back.

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cheesemaster_3000@reddit

It's ok it already happened no need to change things.

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DeadSheepLane@reddit

Cleaning and repairing IDF equipment isn't defensive in nature. We're doing more than watching a radar screen.

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TendieRetard@reddit

WolfofTallStreet•4h ago• North America

It’s defensive. They’re operating a battery to protect civilians. They’re not partaking in offensive operations. They’ve done this in the past, including shooting down Iranian missiles…so have Jordan and Saudi Arabia, far from allies of Israel.

DennisHakkie@reddit

Honestly. “The west” just loses credibility day by day by day.

well, let's hope that system doesn't get USS liberty'd then.

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0WatcherintheWater0@reddit

and still conducting a genocidal campaign in Gaza

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Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit

That NYT article about the IDF headshotting children doesn’t have any evidence behind it. https://x.com/emilykschrader/status/1845117993849704854?s=46&t=xn8BfyElJGFa6gUSR4UYaQ

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ExoticCard@reddit

There is a ton of evidence behind it. Your X tweet does not discredit the word of dozens of physicians from the US and Europe. It is you that has no evidence.

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0WatcherintheWater0@reddit

How would these physicians have remotely any clue about ballistics or even who fired these bullets? Did they suddenly become forensic scientists?

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ExoticCard@reddit

The alternative is that Hamas is putting bullets into Palestinian childrens' skulls. I find this to be much less likely than the IDF.

They're doctors. They can tell when there is a bullet in a child's chest or skull. Honestly, you and I could easily tell that. You don't need to be a forensic scientist to see that, it would be pretty fucking obvious.

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AstartesFanboy@reddit

How is Hamas plugging Palestinians “less likely”? What sort of messed up fantasy world are you living in where they won’t do that? I have 0 doubts that Israel for sure is killing civilians. But your weird fantasy of Hamas somehow being good and righteous, and outright saying that they wouldn’t do that is absolutely insane. It’s stupid. You’d have to stick your head in the sand like an ostrich in order to think something like that. Hamas has done nothing but steal from, murder, kill, and destroy Palestinians and their lives. But no surely they’d never do something like this. Hamas apologists like you should maybe go outside of your echo chamber and learn real facts for once huh?

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ExoticCard@reddit

Not headshotting kids does not mean you are "good and righteous" it's the bare fucking minimum. It seems pretty clear the IDF doesn't meet that minimum.

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Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit

If the fake pictures are the only evidence that they can present, that calls into question the entire claim.

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ExoticCard@reddit

Can you let me know the last time a Jew carried out a terrorist attack against civilian targets in the West? Like suicide bomb or hijack a plan ?

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Scared_Flatworm406@reddit

Hahahaha

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LEFT4Sp00ning@reddit

Yeah, that's exactly the problem, the Palestinians are painted with the broad stroke of arabs/muslims (despite there being many christian Palestinians) which is very effective due to the war on terror propaganda and rhetoric from the last like 20+ years which has dehumanised arabs and muslims into this like hivemind of terrorists that want to kill the West.

And I don't remember them doing anything like that on western countries but you did have Yitzahk Rabin's assassination on Israeli soil and Baruch Goldstein's massacre when he dressed as an Israeli soldier and started magdumping into praying Palestinians in the Cave of the Patriarchs among many other cases of wanton violence against Palestinians. Of course, they really shouldn't feel the need to do terror attacks in Western Countries since Israel has been supported by the West since its inception

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Scared_Flatworm406@reddit

Pretty much half of Israelis are Arabs too they just started denying their identity and having it trained out of them when they arrived in “Israel”. Yemenites, Moroccan Jews, Iraqi Jews, Syrian Jews, Tunisian Jews etc are all Arabs who have spoken Arabic for at least 1000 years. And who are often more “brown” than Palestinians.

same time as the native Jewish population

There isn’t really such a thing anymore. The native Jewish population of Palestine all became Palestinians. They converted to Christianity and Islam and started speaking Arabic. Now they are called Palestinians.

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Scared_Flatworm406@reddit

There is no such thing as “native Israelis.” What do you mean by that? Who do you think constitutes a “native Israeli?” Israelis didn’t exist 100 years ago and Israelis are native to many different regions throughout the world.

Many Israelis are brown people. Specifically the Israelis that come from Yemen, India, Morocco, Mesopotamia etc. But they are not “native Israelis.” And they are not nearly identical to Palestinians genetically. Egyptian Karaite Jews are but they make up a very very very small percentage of Israel’s population.

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ridukosennin@reddit

Shared Canaanite ancestry from the original populations living in the area

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Cum-Cock-City@reddit

Most people don't like evil dictators, horribly oppressive regimes and terrorists.

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lurking_for_Boots@reddit

There is no civil marriage in Israel. Anyone who doesn’t want a religious marriage goes to Cypress. (Repressive regime(theocracy))

If the terrorism is state sanctioned, is it still terrorism? Comrade Cum-Cock-City thinks otherwise.

And “Horribly repressive regime and terrorists.” Lmao, that’s Netanyahu and the IOF. (Dictator, Terrorists)

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Cum-Cock-City@reddit

Oh, marriage is the issue? You want to judge Israel based on western standards? You're going to have trouble defending the likes of Iran and most of the muslim world if that's the case.

Yes. Doctors lie. Hamas doctors lie even more. What is confusing for you?

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ExoticCard@reddit

They are US and European doctors on service trips. If there is a hell, you will be going to it for this.

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Zipz@reddit

Doctors would never lie /s

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna125948

After multiple claims from doctors and nurses of saying hamas never came to the hospital they found video evidence they all lied.

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ExoticCard@reddit

Can you point out to me where the doctors lied?

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Zipz@reddit

Are you unaware of Al Shifa hospital?

The links between the and Palestinian militants have been long documented and long denied by Palestinian militants and workers

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_Hospital

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_military_use_of_al-Shifa_hospital

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ExoticCard@reddit

I mean, that NY Times article also indicates that Israel has also lied repeatedly and blew up the tunnels before a thorough investigation could be completed. They have also fabricated the existance of tunnels, using water storage tanks. In addition, those are only 2 Norwegian doctors. Is it not possible those 2 doctors missed it within the largest hospital in Gaza amidst a flood of patients? Because now it is 65 doctors from a wide variety of countries and a wide variety of areas served in Gaza.

Also, the NY Times wrote that article on Al Shifa. Are you saying they told the truth on Al Shifa and are lying now?

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Zipz@reddit

You asked for where the doctors lied then the goalpost moved to “well maybe they didn’t see anything.”

Funny how that works

Let me be clear for you one more time. Hamas and Palestinian militants have used Al shifa as a base, a torture chamber and an area to stage attacks from.

Here’s almost 100 more doctors with the same claim

https://www.trtworld.com/content/article/some-100-us-doctors-reject-israels-claim-of-hamas-misusing-gaza-hospitals-18215852

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ExoticCard@reddit

I edited my comment. Also, this article you sent is from 11 days ago and mentions 100 US doctors corroborating the NY Times interview. They are confirming that young children are shot regularly and it cannot be an accident. This only bolsters the NY Times findings, as this is a larger group.

You're saying they are lying too?

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Zipz@reddit

You are changing the argument

You asked me to point out when the doctors lied I gave you multiple examples and video evidence.

The argument is Hamas uses these hospitals and medical staff among others have been caught lying on their behalf.

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ExoticCard@reddit

You have 2 Norwegian doctors saying they never saw Hamas activity at Al Shifa hospital last year.

And you're using that to claim that all 65 of the doctors that the NY Times interviewed which served in a variety of sites throughout Gaza at different times, are lying about repeatedly seeing children shot in the head and chest.

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Zipz@reddit

I never said anything about children ….

Crazy how you have to lie about what I said to have a point

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AmputatorBot@reddit

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Maybe check out the canonical page instead: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-video-hamas-hostages-al-shifa-hospital-tunnel-gaza-rcna125948

So much for the glorious impregnable Israeli air defence system.

It also pretty much means the inevitable Israeli response to Iran's missile attack will escalate into a general war

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Elim-the-tailor@reddit

After the last Iranian attack it’s pretty clear the defense against ballistic missiles could use some bolstering — this will help that.

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SpinningHead@reddit

I’m tired of helping this genocidal country.

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Zipz@reddit

So you’re mad a a purely defensive structure that will save civilian lives ?

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ShamScience@reddit

The complication is that if Israel feels safer defensively, then it also feels safer offensively. If they're less worried about reprisals against their own attacks, then there's less to stop them from making those attacks. And those attacks clearly end civilian lives (see Lebanon, for example), not save them. The big picture gets uglier and deadlier, not safer.

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Nileghi@reddit

The complication is that if Israel feels safer defensively, then it also feels safer offensively.

History has shown the complete opposite. How safe did you think Israel felt on October 7th?

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SpinningHead@reddit

Goebbels also defended genocide claiming Germany was the victim.

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Nileghi@reddit

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TheBeAll@reddit

Why would war break out? If Iran can toss 200 ballistic missiles at Israel surely Israel should be able to do the same?

I think a century of people trying and failing to be Otto von Bismarck has been responsible for the deaths of millions. States are eternal, sure, but when you constantly throw away human things like morals in the name of "interests," you just weaken the next generation of people.

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Elim-the-tailor@reddit

States and empires acting in their own interests isn’t some sort of modern invention. Going back through Chinese dynasties, the Ottomans, the Roman Empire, Mongol empire/Khanates, etc I’m not sure you could point to many historical examples of states that have successfully maintained power without actively protecting and promoting their interests. Humans are just naturally too ambitious to act otherwise.

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I-Make-Maps91@reddit

I never said it was a modern invention, I said there's been several generations of people trying to copy Bismarck and utterly failing.

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Elim-the-tailor@reddit

What would you consider to be an example of folks trying to copy Bismarck and failing?

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The US is why Venezuela and Cuba struggle so much, we can't let them be seen as anything that looks successful do we embargo and sanction them.

You can say "we don't know" all you want, but how did the US spending billions propping up dictators improve anything for anyone who wasn't part of the MIC? Did enabling genocide make America safer and harm the USSR? Would that have justified said genocide?

And I'm pretty sure every country the US enabled a civil war in would be better off if we hadn't. It clearly wasn't actually about ideology, we supported leftist rebels at times because the other guys were getting aid from the USSR. The USSR also didn't collapse because East Timor wasn't allowed to be Communist. We don't need to excuse atrocities just because they were committed in the name of what someone called the national interest, the national interest should be what the voters say it is, not what the CIA gets up to in order to justify more funding.

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Elim-the-tailor@reddit

But little to none of these "internal" conflicts in other countries happens in a vacuum. Other states are also constantly pushing their foreign policy interests: Soviets were supporting communist insurgencies across the globe, Saudis exporting Wahabism, Russia backing the rebels in Ukraine for years before they invaded, Iranians with Hezbollah/Houthis/Hamas etc, China backing rebes in Myanmar, UAE propping up the RSF.

The west pulls back and the end result is an erosion of our interests without any guarantee that folks in those countries would be any better off. If you look at South Korea vs North Korea, or how much better off Eastern Europe became after the Iron Curtain fell, you could reasonably conclude that places that moved closer to the western sphere of influence generally become better off.

Yes there have definitely been missteps from Iraq to Cambodia, but overall I don't think we'd be better off if the US and the west as a whole pursued more passive/isolationist foreign policy and would disagree that our current outcomes point to past policies "utterly failing".

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Zipz@reddit

I mean….

The highest missile attack in the history of the world and the only person they killed was a Palestinian.

You’re overhyping a little don’t you think?

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BangBang116@reddit

Its almost laughable if not deeply disturbing, that zionists base the effictivity of an attack on the amount of people killed, especially civilians.

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Zipz@reddit

What should be base it on?

putcheeseonit@reddit

Aaand... crickets 🪳😂

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Zipz@reddit

You ok!

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putcheeseonit@reddit

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I’m asking what damages. It seems like you’re making a claim. I must of missed all this damage. So please tell me about it

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Woah, the largest missile barrage in history only caused 53 million in damages? Isn't that like half the cost of a modern fighter jet?

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Proper_Razzmatazz_36@reddit

Well how should the effectiveness of the attack be based on? The attack didn't stop the idf from doing much, it caused minimal damage to military locations, you say we shouldn't base an attack on how many people ot killed, but even if you do look at it in other ways the attack failed

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BangBang116@reddit

We don't know how much damage the Iranian attack did, one of the people doing research on it got locked up in a israeli rape prison shortly after. It did do moral damage though, because it showed that rockets can and will go through the defences.

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Proper_Razzmatazz_36@reddit

So how was this attack a success though? For the price of the attack, there are no claims that it slowed military and moral isn't that big of an achivment

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BangBang116@reddit

You are asking the same question that I just answered, furthermore the succes of an attack is subjective.

EnqueteurRegicide@reddit

If you aim at military targets but minimize casualties, it's very targeted. It's a way to tell your population that you retaliated for a strike on your country, without raising accusations from the rest of the world about being a blood-thirsty Muslim.

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Zipz@reddit

Half of iran missiles didn’t even make it and failed by themselves in the first strike.

chualex98@reddit

U do the same dude, why should I argue in good faith if at the end u make this sort of remarks

One more time. Iran targets civillians

Isn'treal is the only side commiting genocide, they target civilians as part of their terror campaign because they can't achieve their goals by military means, they are getting smoked on the ground and their air defense is lacking when facing a proper military.

One more time, the fascist settler puppet nation targets civilians

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Zipz@reddit

You keep changing the subject instead of admitting you were wrong.

It’s mind blowing how you ignore Irans war crimes.

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chualex98@reddit

I'm not

It’s mind blowing how you ignore Irans war crimes.

Like which ones? Iran is really oppressive against its own population yeah, but they haven't carpet bombed civilians to the point of destroying every hospital and school in another nation as far as I'm aware of.

What's mind-blowing is an Isn'treal defender complain about someone ignoring war crimes, the cognitive dissonance is astonishing.

Why do u ignore Isn'treal's war crimes?

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Zipz@reddit

You keep changing the subject ignoring Irans crimes. Again they launched missiles at israel at random. You keep ignoring that

Any war crime israel does I think they should be tried. It’s not that complicated. Are you done with your little rant ?

The only hypocrite here is you

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chualex98@reddit

You keep changing the subject ignoring Irans crimes.

Ur bugging man, u already said this

Again they launched missiles at israel at random. You keep ignoring that

So Allah guided the randomly shot missiles so they could evade AA defenses and score several hits at the main air force base, sadly they didn't score hits on the terrorist Mossad's HQ, but they got close, again, according to u, with randomly aimed missiles.

If that's true, Isn'treal should just surrender, God Is truly not on their side.

Any war crime israel does I think they should be tried. It’s not that complicated. Are you done with your little rant ?

Do u support the shipment of military aid to Isn'treal? Because if u do, who gives a fuck u are in favor of trying them, the crimes are still being committed now.

And for what is worth, I agree Iran should be tried IF they commit war crimes, and I'll take it a step further, I don't think they should receive billions in aid in order to commit a genocide

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Zipz@reddit

“If” iran commits war crimes. We just saw one

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chualex98@reddit

Did Iran strike a hospital, hitting the people that had been injured in their previous strike at a school resulting in burning children with IV still connected to their arms? Damn, I must've missed that video

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Leather-Ad-7799@reddit

You won’t get a response, the Zionists are celebrating that video of the children burning due to their bombing

Incoming “it was khamas tehee” in 3…2…1…

Zionists are the bottom of the bottom of the barrel, every time you think they can’t stoop lower they do.

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Unable_Duck9588@reddit

Nah you’re the one who keeps trying to redefine the conversation here.

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Most of the missiles destined for civilian infrastructure were intercepted, though some did land, such as one that destroyed a school building. I trust you'll come up with an excuse to justify any attack again Israeli civilians regardless.

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Srinema@reddit

Unlike Israel and it’s allies, most states do not use the death of civilians as a metric for their success.

An American citizen was just arrested by Israel for reporting on the damage to military infrastructure inflicted by Iran’s missiles. A journalist. Arrested for reporting facts. I see you, as an American, haven’t spent an ounce of energy on this site calling for his release.

Answer me this - if Iran’s attack did not materially damage Israel’s military infrastructure, why is the US replacing hardware that you claim was not damaged, and also sending US troops on the ground for the first time?

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Zipz@reddit

Please tell me more about this massive damage

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Srinema@reddit

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nu0zptW49eM

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Droselmeyer@reddit

Is asked for evidence

Links Grayzone video

cytokine7@reddit

Weird energy dude. You seem way too excited about Israel's possible vulnerability. So some idiot on reddit said that Israel is impenetrable? Who gives a shit? These are people's lives not your sports team rival.

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apistograma@reddit

It's normal to feel vindictive when a country that is commiting human rights abuses and has been boasting about their superiority for decades gets humbled.

I agree that this is not the healthiest approach but it's like when you see a bully getting a piece of their own medicine

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Israel has offered peace deals after peace deal with more and more generous 2SS offers. The Palestinians reject it every time and increase their violence against Israel. What would else do you want Israel to do?

They accepted peace in the 1993 Oslo Accords. It was far-right Israeli's who launched terrorist attacks, assassinated their own former prime minister for brokering the deal, and funded Hamas to undermine the PLO. The current Israeli minister of national security literally has a portrait of the terrorist who massacred 30 people in an effort to sabotage the accords on his living room wall, and the Knesset of the time had to pass legislation to stop future far-right leaders from pardoning Rabin's assassin.

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rowida_00@reddit

Okay, let’s try this one more time.

According to the ICJ’s recent ruling;

In terms of its territorial scope, question (a) refers to “the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967”, which encompasses the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip. The Court notes that the various United Nations organs and bodies frequently make specific reference to the different parts of the Occupied Palestinian Territory. The Court also does so in the present Advisory Opinion, as appropriate. However, the Court recalls that, from a legal standpoint, the Occupied Palestinian Territory constitutes a single territorial unit, the unity, contiguity and integrity of which is to be preserved and respected. Thus, all references in this Opinion to the Occupied Palestinian Territory are references to this single territorial unit.

Based on the information before it, the Court considers that Israel remained capable of exercising, and continued to exercise, certain key elements of authority over the Gaza Strip, including control of the land, sea and air borders, restrictions on movement of people and goods, collection of import and export taxes, and military control over the buffer zone, despite the withdrawal of its military presence in 2005. This is even more so since 7 October 2023. In light of the above, the Court is of the view that Israel’s withdrawal from the Gaza Strip has not entirely released it of its obligations under the law of occupation. Israel’s obligations have remained commensurate with the degree of its effective control over the Gaza Strip.

Israel’s disengagement in 2005 from Gaza has never changed their status as an occupying power!

That has already been made unambiguously clear years ago, the ICJ ruling simply reaffirmed that reality.

In August and September 2005, Israel unilaterally withdrew approximately eight thousand settlers, along with military personnel and installations, from the Gaza Strip and four small settlements in the northern West Bank near Jenin. While Israel has since declared the Gaza Strip a “foreign territory” and the crossings between Gaza and Israel “international borders,” under international humanitarian law (IHL), Gaza remains occupied, and Israel retains its responsibilities for the welfare of Gaza residents. Israel maintains effective control over Gaza by regulating movement in and out of the Strip as well as the airspace, sea space, public utilities and population registry. In addition, Israel declared the right to re-enter Gaza militarily at any time in its “Disengagement Plan. Since the withdrawal, Israel has carried out aerial bombardments, including targeted killings, and has fired artillery into the northeastern corner of Gaza.

Unless you can claim that Israel offered the Palestinians a viable state that includes the entirety of the West Bank, which they’re entitled to in accordance to international law, I’m not interested in what your hasbara has told you frankly speaking.

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cytokine7@reddit

O wow you're saying that the ICJ who's current president is literally from a country at war with Israel, ruled against Israel? What if the ICJ ruled that Israel is in the right and should actually be given the whole West Bank, and the president happened to be Israeli? Would you accept this ruling?

You can claim Hasbara all you want, I only stated facts. Meanwhile as I said before almost the entire Muslim world (2 billion people) rallies against Israel with multiple state medias with this as their primary purpose, but somehow tiny Israel with its 7 million Jews are the Hasbara propaganda masters of the world. Really puzzling.

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rowida_00@reddit

I’d be lying to you if I say that I’m astounded by this abject lack of critical thinking I’m witnessing but somehow I’m not at all surprised. Let me explain something to you that’s clearly isn’t resisting in your mind. ICJ rulings are decided by a majority vote! If the president votes for a specific measure while the overwhelming majority of the remaining judges vote against it (you need a total of 9 votes), it won’t be adopted. Thats how the International Court of Justice also known as the World’s Court operates. So mentioning where the president is from or feebly arguing that he’s biased is immaterial to the legitimacy of the ruling given the reality on the ground.

Additionally, Muslim countries state media pale in comparison to western mainstream media which actively shapes public perception and has more of a global outreach. That’s just a fact.

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Unable_Duck9588@reddit

They’ll just say there’s no foul play if there was a genocide why are there still palestinians alive, Israel withdrew decades ago and don’t have any control and then say every palestinian kid wants them dead so they need to strike them anyway.

Maybe after that they’ll talk about all the palestinians need to do is surrender and this will all be over.

The typical playbook.

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Zipz@reddit

You make it seem like iran cares about the Palestinian cause

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rowida_00@reddit

I make it sound like the Palestinian plight predates the Islamic regime in Iran that rose to power in 1979, which emphasizes the fact that Iran is immaterial to what Zionists are doing to the Palestinians.

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Zipz@reddit

One more time you seem confused

Iran wants control and power over the region. Countries like Israel and Saudi Arabia are threats to their dominance. That’s why they supply the Houthis, Hezbollah, hamas and the PIJ.

You seem confused on their motivations.

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rowida_00@reddit

I’m sorry you’d like to discuss everything and anything except for the root cause of this catastrophic conflict. I’m sorry that Israel’s occupation predates Iran’s Islamic revolution. That it predates Hamas’s creation in 1987. That it predates Hezbollah’s own creation in 1982 which was in response to Israel’s illegal invasion of Lebanon. I’m sorry that you keep deflecting from factual realities that don’t augment your Zionist rhetoric. I’d self-reflect and evaluate the definition of confusion if I were you because you’re projecting, unsurprisingly.

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apistograma@reddit

There's also something pretty ironic about the Israeli-Iranian conflict. And it's that Zionists in my experience don't have a supremacist attitude towards Iranians, unlike the one they have with Arabs. Even Netanyahu said in public that he's problem is particularly with the Iranian government, not the Irani. He's never addressed the Arabs this way, even when all their allies in the middle east are Arab.

Immediate-Spite-5905@reddit

causing minor damage and killing a single Palestinian. No air defense is perfect and especially not in the face of this kind of saturation attack but Patriot and David's Sling got pretty damn close

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apistograma@reddit

Hezbollah has managed to strike a base and allegedly harm dozens of personnel.

I bet Iran can do more than that if they want.

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Immediate-Spite-5905@reddit

neither of those systems are meant for UAV defense so I don't understand your point. Iran tried to do more than that earlier this year and also got 1 casualty, a young Bedouin girl that survived

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apistograma@reddit

Iran didn't try to harm for real. The regime values self preservation more than anything else, they're known to be risk averse.

That's also why they're always edging the west with the atomic bomb. They prefer to deter actions against Iran by threatening them about becoming nuclear. If they become nuclear they're untouchable but also more pariah, and imo they'd rather use diplomacy.

The issue is that by being so hostile you can risk them going to the other way, and have a nuclear Iran that goes Russia style full against the west.

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TheJewPear@reddit

Iran’s last attack has been the single biggest attack that they’ve fired at any territory, ever. For not trying to cause harm they sure are shipping over a lot of explosives.

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Poltergeist97@reddit

Why would they give an advance warning to both Israel and the US then? If they truly wanted maximum destruction, they would keep it a secret, no?

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Throwaway5432154322@reddit

If they truly wanted maximum destruction, they would keep it a secret, no?

No; they want to test the Israeli air defense grid (and by extension, Western air defense grids in general) so that they can fine-tune their strike packages to properly penetrate if/when the time comes.

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Poltergeist97@reddit

This doesn't hold water. Why would they give the heads up? I'm seriously asking here. What advantage would they have testing the air defense when given warning, as opposed to a more surprise attack they would surely use?

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Throwaway5432154322@reddit

Why would they give the heads up? I'm seriously asking here.

First of all, because "giving a heads up" is a spectrum; in April, the Iranians gave an extended "heads up" and still sought to cause damage, and in October, they gave far less of a "heads up", and still also sought to cause damage.

Second of all, Iran & its allies want to find ways to fine-tune their strike packages to better penetrate Western air defense grids. Russia is especially interested in this, as it seeks to utilize its (near) absolute advantage in long-range missile fires to strategically exhaust the (Western-supplied) Ukrainain air defense grid. The Iranian missile attack in April this year, for instance, was modeled in terms of strike package composition & timing off of Russian missile attacks against Ukraine. The Iranians significantly altered their strike package in the October 2024 attack, in part to see how effective a strike consisting of ballistic missiles would perform against a Western air defense grid.

Advanced long-range fires are an expensive military resource that is difficult to replenish, particularly for a country such as Iran. The size, composition & timing of the Iranian strike packages from both April and October are simply too large, too expensive, and too intricate to be "face-saving" attacks. We know already what an Iranian "face-saving" attack looks like - we saw one in 2020 after the United States assassinated Soleimani, who was a far more important figure in the Iranian regime than either Zahedi or Haniyeh, who's deaths both provoked much greater responses from Iran. It is also expensive for the US and Israel to intercept Iranian missiles strikes, but it is far more costly strategically & on a relative basis for Iran to expend such a large portion of its advanced long-range fires than it is for Israel & its allies to intercept them.

The recent Iranian attacks are designed to penetrate & inflict damage. They know they are shooting Israel in a (mostly) bulletproof vest, but they're not doing it to send a message; they're doing it to figure out how to create a bullet that will penetrate the vest. They are calculating that the attacks will deter Israel (unlikely) while simultaneously giving them valuable insight into how to conduct future attacks.

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Have you seen Beirut lately?

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sar662@reddit

You are saying that the result would have been different?

That doesn't sound right. I thought we were talking about Iran's intentions, not wether or not Israel had air defenses.

To use an intentionaly unrelated analogy: if I pick up a puppy dog and toss it off the roof of my apartment building, I am a horrible person. If the puppy dog miraculously lands on a bouncy castle that some kids set up and is fine, I'm still a horrible person. You can't say that just because the dog didn't die, my intention wasn't to kill that dog.

Iran sent a shitload of missiles each one with some big ass explosives on it. Seems to me that their intention was to do real harm but, again, let's say that it wasn't. What would you need Iran to do differently next time, that would lead you to conclude that they really did want to cause harm?

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apistograma@reddit

Iran sent a shitload of missiles

You really don't know what's a real shitload of missiles. It looks like a low amount of missiles look like a lot when you're the recipient.

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Zipz@reddit

The biggest ballistic missile attack in the history of the world isn’t a shit load?

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apistograma@reddit

So you think this is a larger attack than what Israel has been commiting to their neighbors. Huh

Idk what's your argument. That it was a single attack rather than continuous attacks for months? Then you must think Hiroshima was weaker than the Iranian attack I guess?

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Zipz@reddit

You know my argument but you are ignoring it

One more time

It was the biggest ballistic missile attack in the history of the world. By every metric that would be a shitload of missiles.

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apistograma@reddit

So it would be better if Iran bombed Israel for weeks?

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Zipz@reddit

It’s funny you keep trying to change the point. Have a good day

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sar662@reddit

I don't know enough about missiles or missile defense to know what's considered a lot or a little. 200 ballistic missiles sounds like a lot to me.

I'm mostly asking my question based on your original comment. You said that Iran was not trying to cause real harm. As such I'm asking you, what would it look like if next week, Iran did want to cause real harm? Would they send more missiles? Would they send different missiles? Would they send missiles in a different color?

What would it take for you to consider Iran's intention as being "wanting to cause harm"?

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apistograma@reddit

200 ballistic missiles sounds like a lot to me.

Your mind will be blown when you see what is Israel launching in Gaza and Lebanon then

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sar662@reddit

I feel I'm failing to communicate. I'll give it one more try and I apologize if I fail.

You said, Iran wasn't really trying to cause harm to Israel. I asked, how would we know if they were trying to really cause harm Your answer is to look at the damage caused - if Tel-Aviv looked like Beirut.

The two problems I have with looking at the damage is that

Lol, throwing tantrums like a baby. What re you all over every single thread about Israel in this sub? And why are you always parroting Iranian talking points? Every post you make is about spinning things in Hezbollah/Iran's favour. Like I get it with Palestinians but what has Iran done to urn your dedication?

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apistograma@reddit

I'll tell you the truth I'm the ghost of Ayatollah Khomeini

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Bidens_Erect_Tariffs@reddit

If that's true you will know the answer to my riddle.

Why does Bashar Al Assad look exactly like Charles De Gaulle?

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apistograma@reddit

De Gaulle's nose is like 3 times larger...

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Bidens_Erect_Tariffs@reddit

That's just an optical illusion that comes from wearing his stupid hat.

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NoobOfTheSquareTable@reddit

It was a drone swarm, it’s new tech and we’ve been seeing this sort of this overwhelm and become the new approach to strikes for ages now in Ukraine

Which land do you want my country to return? Ceuta and Melilla? They don't want to be Moroccan it's a Falkland situation.

Maybe Catalonia to become independent. That's not exactly a stolen land argument but as a Catalan and independent Catalonia sounds fine to me.

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Bidens_Erect_Tariffs@reddit

All of the Iberian bits should be returned to Tunisia. 😤

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apistograma@reddit

I can't even understand which kind of historical claim you're trying to make because Tunisia is such a wild country to pick.

You're not helping with the Americans are bad at geography stereotype

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Bidens_Erect_Tariffs@reddit

Iberia is rightful Phoenician clay yes. I'm being silly. Because your arguments are silly and you don't really deserve any better.

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The Hebrews? Which was the religion of those "Hebrews" that you're talking about?

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Bidens_Erect_Tariffs@reddit

Proto-Judaic henotheistic religion that would eventually morph into what would become more recognizably Judaism after the Babylonian exile. Though it still wouldn't reach the "modern form" until the emergence of Rabbinical Judaism later. This is the form Spaniards would be familiar with when they ethnically cleansed their Jewish populations and named an alcoholic drink after it which they never changed.

Also the Hebrew statelets do not predate Egypt. They attained tributary status under Ramses when he launched his expansion into the Levant in the 13th century.

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apistograma@reddit

That's a lot of words to say: the polytheist Canaanite religion that was professed in all the Levant. Thus, not a distinct group since the Hebrews didn't appear until the bronze age collapse, which is posterior to the Egyptian state in the Levant.

Where are those statelets? Which is the archeological proof? And what makes those regions more Jewish than Muslim. Canaanism is further from Judaism than Islam is to Judaism.

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Bidens_Erect_Tariffs@reddit

A) It's still the same ethnic group. B) The religions had actually split by this point and what would become modern Judaism did indeed have recognizable features already.

The statelets emerged prior to the Bronze Age collapse which happened a century later. They gained greater prominence after the collapse but they had already existed... until the Assyrians came along and tried to genocide them. That didn't take though.

But honestly all of this is a wash because Spain has a terrible underutilized ADA corps that would get clapped in the event of an actual use case and why are you harping on the Levant when there are economically underdeveloped regions in Latin America that never got their gold back?

We can all run around making silly distraction arguments all day that don't actually matter. You won't ever stop being a net drag on the discussion.

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apistograma@reddit

A) It's still the same ethnic group

What. No it isn't. The idea that Hebrews and Canaanites are the same groups is preposterous and could easily offend many Jews. You have no limits for revisionism or what.

B) The religions had actually split by this point and what would become modern Judaism

In 1500BC? Lol show me your sources.

The statelets emerged prior to the Bronze Age collapse which happened a century later. They gained greater prominence after the collapse but they had already existed... until the Assyrians came along and tried to genocide them.

False again. Show me your sources. Besides, what assirians? Assiria never reached the shouthern levant until 9th cent BCE, that was centuries after Egypt. You're mixing them with the neoassirian empire lol.

I think it's clear that you know nothing about the history of the region other than some fact that are easily refuted by anyone who knows the basics.

But honestly all of this is a wash because Spain has a terrible underutilized ADA corps that would get clapped in the event of an actual use case and why are you harping on the Levant when there are economically underdeveloped regions in Latin America that never got their gold back?

That's such a wild take. What genocides are happening in Latin America right now. I remember Israel provided weapons for the death squads in El Salvador decades ago though.

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Bidens_Erect_Tariffs@reddit

Genetic evidence disagrees with you.

And I don't respect the words of gold thieves. When you give Latin Americans their gold back you can hop back on your high horse.

Last I heard it was in Russia somewhere so... good luck?

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apistograma@reddit

When you give Latin Americans their gold back you can hop back on your high horse.

Sure we can talk reparations but I'd consider that it's a bit ridiculous when the US has literally propped out multiple coups and financing death squads in Latin America in recent history. Call me skeptic, but I feel like you don't really care about those issues and it's just zionist deflection. The fact that you make zero mention about Israeli weapon sales in El Salvador that were used against the civilian population in the 80s says everything I need to know.

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Bidens_Erect_Tariffs@reddit

Actually it's not zionist deflection. I just don't take you seriously and I'm meeting your arguments with the same level of credibility.

I feel like I explained this?

I wouldn't dunk on people for buying Israeli weapons either since... well I hate to tell you about this person from Spain but... well I'm just going to say it you also import Israeli weapons.

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apistograma@reddit

So Spain is full of antisemitism but at the same time they buy weapons from Israel. That's an interesting approach. Have you ever considered that you're such a Zionist that it harms your critical thinking skills?

So you don't see a problem with Israel selling weapons to groups that mass murdered the civilian population. I can see a pattern here.

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Bidens_Erect_Tariffs@reddit

Yes those are not mutually exclusive at all. Like when Europeans will throw bananas at black soccer players but still cheer if they score a goal.

Also I made no comment one what El Salvador did with their weapons. I just noted that, Spain, a country with a long history of killing civilians stealing land and committing genocide who only stopped because they were ejected from their colonial empires by a series of revolutions and a war with the United States might want to be careful about condemning people for buying Israeli weapons.

And change the name of that drink. Seriously that shit is weird.

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apistograma@reddit

So you feel entitled to judge Spain for buying weapons to israel, but not Israel to sell weapons to death squads.

Seriously, can't you see when your arguments make you look like a lunatic.

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Bidens_Erect_Tariffs@reddit

I am in fact making non-serious arguments that are just as silly as the ones you make.

This has been explained like... three times.

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apistograma@reddit

Are you able to defend Israel with a real argument?

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Yes the intelligent thing is to provoke your neighbors all the time and having to run to the antimissile shelter

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karthikkr93@reddit

Oh please that’s just because all the victims of the Spanish are an entire ocean away in Latin America lol

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apistograma@reddit

That's not true, Spain killed people in Morocco in the 20th cent. I know far better than you the dark pages of my history.

Drone swarms like that also tend to be shorter range.

The comparative lack of gun based ADA in a lot of Western militaries probably has a couple people in the pentagon nursing ulcers. Though some new ones are coming online that should shore up that vulnerability.

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Pattern_Is_Movement@reddit

They have zero reason to admit to any real damage. They literally beatup and arrested US journalists that were taking photos from public places.... it would be logical to think that its worse than Israel admits.

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OGRESHAVELAYERz@reddit

If it was minor, they wouldn't be deploying a THAAD.

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Live and learn. The irresponsible thing to do would be doing nothing after the attack instead of trying to fill in apparent gaps.

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Brabblenator@reddit

Lmao Only Russians work in absolutes.

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Bidens_Erect_Tariffs@reddit

The tone of these comments are weird. Do people want this conflict escalating?

dharms@reddit

I want Iran to be able to hit back hard where it hurts so Israel won't strike them. It's not a difficult concept. A THAAD system protecting their airspace only emboldens them.

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Bidens_Erect_Tariffs@reddit

Israel tends to escalate after they have been hit.

They don't back down they keep going until the other guy quits. Letting Iran "hit back hard where it hurts" would only increase the probability of an escalation.

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I-Make-Maps91@reddit

And they do that because they know we'll back them up. We need to stop.

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Zipz@reddit

In what world would that work ?

Maybe his issue is that this defense will make Netanyahu even more reckless in his response to Iran. Knowing that he had extra support in case Iran responds.

But hey, go on pretending that you're not doing the exact thing you're claiming OP is doing

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WolfofTallStreet@reddit

Why is it so bad that more innocent civilians will be protected now? It’s not like THAAD is used to kill people

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Candle1ight@reddit

If it was only protecting attacks on civilians it wouldn't be. But it's also going to be protecting their bases, which means they think they'll be able to escalate without punishment

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Elim-the-tailor@reddit

Honestly after how effective Israel has demonstrated itself to be against Hezbollah so far, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of western leadership is supportive of them pushing on.

Israel's done far more in degrading Hamas and Hezbollah than the gulf states were able to against the Houthis (over many years, with modern western military equipment, and while also causing tens of thousands of civilian casualties).

Pattern_Is_Movement@reddit

Good on your government for no longer selling weapons to Israel!! Proud of you guys!

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apistograma@reddit

Our government is trash on a similar level to France or Britain. Recently there was a report on how they're selling weaponry indirectly and major banks are participating in business with the Israeli military industrial complex. I'm honestly suprised such thing was even covered in news though, that is a positive.

The one good thing about Spain is that our society doesn't really have zionists other than a few randos. Only the far right made some occasional pro Israeli statement, but even their own voter base didn't care at all. I assume they were looking for the sweet Israeli money like Le Pen in France. That same far right is absolutely filled with Francoist supporters, when Francoism was unapologetically and explicitly antisemitic. Just another example of the irony of the current unholy alliance between antisemites and zionists.

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Pattern_Is_Movement@reddit

Sorry to hear that, I guess it looks good compared to my main reference point, the ones literally funding this horror show, the US.

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apistograma@reddit

I think the issue is that Israel has targeted specifically the big actors when buying politicians. That's why you don't see such zionism in countries like Poland, Italy or Spain, but you do in the US or Germany. They focused their efforts on them.

I remember once a zionist told me that Israel had the support of the countries that mattered even if most countries in the world didn't. It's a disgusting undemocratic position, but the guy somehow was self aware enough to realize the games Israel is playing.

I think the main weakness of Israel is self control. They're honestly safer when leashed by the US, we're now seeing how they're going full fascist jingoism when they're in full control. Israel is like Captain Ahab in Moby Dick, he was very good at manipulating people and convincing them to go for a white whale but his skills were also his demise and he died from his crazy obsession.

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AsinusRex@reddit

Greater Israel is a thing that is talked about in loony anti-Zionist circles, not something that is popular or even discussed in Israel.

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apistograma@reddit

I must assume minister Smotrich is an antizionist then.

I swear idk what's with the gaslighting everyone who is mildly informed about Israel knows well the crazy far right side that is governing with Netanyahu

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AsinusRex@reddit

Pero que me explicas, pavo? I was born there, I lived there until not long ago and I still have most of my family there. Smotrich is a piece of shit and the entire government needs to go, but this war is not a land grab, it's an assurance of peace. If Hamas returns the kidnapped civilians and surrenders like any normal army that has been defeated should, the war ends tomorrow and Israel is exactly 0 square meters larger than when it started. Should I remind you how this war started?

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apistograma@reddit

So what I understand is that you're confessing that there's a greater Israel initiative

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Exostrike@reddit

The phrase is deterrent.

loggy_sci@reddit

Nobody with half a brain You understand that the U.S. isn’t annexing the Wesr Bank, right? Just checking.

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eran76@reddit

You know what, the US should host peace treaty negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians.

Arafat didn't negotiate - he just kept saying no

Barak Proposes Land Deal; Arafat Rejects Offer

JULY 11 – 25, 2000 The leaders head off to a hastily prepared summit at Camp David. Issues never before discussed at senior levels between Israelis and Palestinians — Jerusalem, statehood, boundaries, refugees — are put on the table. To break the impasse over the West Bank, Clinton proposes a compromise: Israel would return almost all of the West Bank and Gaza to the Palestinians; the two sides would swap small parcels of land important to each other; and they would agree to share control of Jerusalem. Barak uses Clinton’s proposal as a starting point and suggests several changes. Arafat never replies and Barak then refuses to negotiate with Arafat directly.

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Nothereforstuff123@reddit

You sucking on my teet is not beneficial to me at all.

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buckeyefan314@reddit

Yes, helping pay for Israel’s defense really benefits my pocket as an American tax payer. I’d hate my tax dollars to go to something in my own country, I want my money spent on defending a country that got rockets shot at me while I was in Iraq lol

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eran76@reddit

Ohh that's funny, when I was a kid and Americans bombed Iraq Saddam launches missiles at my city even though Israel had nothing to do with it. I guess what goes around comes around:

On 17 January 1991, Iraq initiated a missile campaign against Israel. Over the course of the next month, approximately 42 Scud missiles were fired into Israeli territory, primarily at the cities of Tel Aviv and Haifa. The missile attacks began on the same day as the Gulf War aerial bombardment campaign, which was targeting military infrastructure within Iraqi-occupied Kuwait.

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buckeyefan314@reddit

What’s your argument? We should’ve let Saddam take Kuwait so you didn’t get missiles shot at you? Israel assassinated a nuclear scientist, in Tehran while I was in Iraq, which pissed off the Iranians and Shia militia groups in Iraq, which retaliated against us.

Invading the gulf because Iraq invaded Kuwait, liberating Kuwaitis vs. assassinating a scientist in his own country. Do these have equal weight?

Also, rich of you to speak how you do when nearly your entire defense apparatus is funded by the US. If we cut off aid what happens to yall?

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eran76@reddit

What I'm saying is that sometimes the US takes actions that causes unintentional harm to its allies, and sometimes US allies, like Israel, take actions which cause unintentional harm to the US.

But let's be honest about the first gulf war, the US gave Saddam mixed signals and he invaded thinking we either had his back or were going to do nothing.

In a now famous interview with the Iraqi leader, U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie told Saddam, ‘[W]e have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.’ The U.S. State Department had earlier told Saddam that Washington had ‘no special defense or security commitments to Kuwait.’ The United States may not have intended to give Iraq a green light, but that is effectively what it did.”

adeveloper2@reddit

War is peace

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orangedimension@reddit

Freedom is slavery

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THAAD missiles are $10M a pop.

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DennisHakkie@reddit

But they will be paid for by daddy America

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Dreadedvegas@reddit

America needs them to defend Guam and Okinawa in the event of a China hit scenario.

Its really not about the cost but at $13M a pop means its in a low rate production.

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Thek40@reddit

Terminal High Altitude Area Defense… Drones fly at low altitude and the cost of a Tamir missile is 30,000 dollars.

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[Middle East latest: US says it will send THAAD defense battery to Israel, along with US troops](https://apnews.com/article/Israeli soldiers display what they say is an entrance to a Hezbollah tunnel found during their ground operation in southern Lebanon, near the border with Israel, Sunday, Oct. 13, 2024. (AP Photo/Sam McNeil))

The U.S. is sending a Terminal High Altitude Area Defense battery to Israel, along with US troops to operate it. The Pentagon made the announcement just hours after Iran warned the U.S. to keep its military forces out of Israel.

Israel is widely believed to be preparing a military response to Iran’s Oct. 1 attack when it fired roughly 180 missiles into Israel.

Israel has been escalating its campaign against Hezbollah with waves of heavy airstrikes across Lebanon and a ground invasion at the border after a year of exchanges of fire. Israel is now at war with Hamas in Gaza and Hamas’ ally Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Israel’s offensive in Gaza has killed over 42,000 Palestinians, according to local health authorities, who do not say how many were fighters but say women and children make up more than half of the fatalities. The war has destroyed large areas of Gaza and displaced about 90% of its population of 2.3 million people.

It’s been a year since Hamas-led militants blew holes in Israel’s security fence and stormed into army bases and farming communities, killing some 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and abducting another 250. They are still holding about 100 captives inside Gaza, a third of whom are believed to be dead.

Here’s the latest:

New Zealand’s Luxon condemns targeting peacekeepers

WELLINGTON, New Zealand — “It is totally, utterly unacceptable for Israel to be targeting U.N. Peacekeepers,” New Zealand’s Prime Minister Christopher Luxon told reporters in the capital on Monday.

“I think the whole world is outraged that Israel is targeting U.N. facilities. They are there on a peacekeeping mission to try and keep the peace on that border,” he said.

Hospitals say Israeli airstrike has killed at least 20 at school in central Gaza

An Israeli airstrike has killed at least 20 people including children at a school in central Gaza, according to local hospitals.

Sunday night’s strike also killed two women in Nuseirat. The school was sheltering some of the many Palestinians displaced by the year-long war in Gaza.

The bodies were taken to Al-Awda hospital in Nuseirat and Al-Aqsa Martyrs hospital in Deir al Balah.

Israel’s bombardment and its ground invasion of Gaza have killed over 42,000 Palestinians, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry, which doesn’t distinguish between militants or civilians.

Israel’s military says 4 soldiers killed in Hezbollah drone attack on an army base

Israel’s military says four soldiers were killed in a Hezbollah drone attack on an army base next to Binyamina city.

A military statement says the strike Sunday evening also severely injured seven soldiers.

It’s the deadliest Hezbollah strike since Israel launched its ground invasion of Lebanon nearly two weeks ago.

The Lebanon-based Hezbollah earlier claimed responsibility and called the attack retaliation for Israeli strikes on Beirut on Thursday that killed 22 people.

Hezbollah and Israel have traded fired almost daily in the year since the war in Gaza began, and fighting has escalated.

Rescue service: More than 60 people wounded in drone strike in central Israel

United Hatzalah, an Israeli rescue service, says more than 60 people were injured in a drone strike in central Israel.

The Lebanon-based Hezbollah militant group claimed responsibility for Sunday’s attack in the central city of Binyamina. Hezbollah said it targeted a military camp in retaliation for the two strikes in Beirut on Thursday, which killed 22 people.

It was not immediately clear whether military members were hurt or what was hit. There were no details from Israel’s military, which earlier reported at least 115 rockets were fired from Lebanon.

Israeli media said that two drones were launched from Lebanon, and the military said one drone was intercepted.

Israel’s advanced air defense systems mean such a high number of injuries from drones or missiles are exceptionally rare. The strike against Israel was one of the most serious since the start of the war.

Officials: At least 20 people are injured in drone strike in central Israel

TEL AVIV, Israel — Israel Rescue Services said that at least 20 people were injured in a drone strike in the central Israeli city of Binyamina, three of them critically.

Israeli media said that two drones were launched from Lebanon, and one was intercepted near the coast.

This is the second drone strike in two days in Israel. On Saturday, during the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur, a drone struck a retirement home in a suburb of Tel Aviv, causing damage but no injuries.

Israel says it is destroying Hezbollah infrastructure in southern Lebanon

Israel’s defense minister says Israel is making sure that Hezbollah militants won’t return to communities in southern Lebanon.

Defense Minister Yoav Gallant made the comments Sunday during a visit to forces in northern Israel near the border.

Gallant described the “entire first line of villages” in southern Lebanon as having Hezbollah infrastructure and asserted that Israeli defense forces are currently destroying it above and below ground during their ground invasion.

“I have instructed the IDF at all levels to ensure the destruction of (attack infrastructure) and to ensure that terrorists may not return to these places. This is essential in order to ensure the safety of Israel’s northern communities,” Gallant said.

U.S. will send complex defense system to Israel despite Iranian threat

The United States will send a Terminal High Altitude Area Defense battery and troops to Israel. The Pentagon made the announcement Sunday, shortly after Iran warned Washington to keep American military forces out of Israel.

Pentagon spokesman Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder said in a statement that Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin authorized the deployment of the THAAD battery at the direction of President Joe Biden.

Ryder said the air defense system will help bolster Israel’s air defenses following Iran’s missile attacks on Israel in April and October.

The THAAD is a defensive system that shoots down incoming ballistic missiles.

U.N. mission says Israeli tanks forcibly entered gates of one of its bases before leaving

The U.N. peacekeeping mission in Lebanon says Israeli tanks forcibly entered the gates of one of its bases in southern Lebanon and destroyed the main gate early Sunday. A UNIFIL statement calls it a “further flagrant violation of international law.” The tanks later left.

Israel has warned the U.N. force to evacuate its positions during its offensive in southern Lebanon against the Hezbollah militant group. Five peacekeepers have been wounded in attacks that have struck peacekeeper’s positions in the past few days, most of them blamed by UNIFIL on Israeli forces.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday expressed regret for wounding peacekeepers but accused the U.N. mission of providing a “human shield” for Hezbollah.

Israel has long accused the U.N. of being biased against it, and relations have worsened during the yearlong war in Gaza.

UNIFIL was created in 1978 to oversee the withdrawal of Israeli troops after Israel invaded and occupied south Lebanon.

Netanyahu says UN peacekeepers are serving as ‘human shields’ for Hezbollah

TEL AVIV, Israel — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has accused U.N. peacekeepers in southern Lebanon of serving as “human shields” for Hezbollah after Israeli strikes wounded five of them in recent days.

The Israeli military has warned UNIFIL to evacuate southern Lebanon as it carries out air and ground operations against Hezbollah militants, but the peacekeepers have so far refused.

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empleadoEstatalBot@reddit

Netanyahu said Sunday that their refusal to clear out “has the effect of providing Hezbollah terrorists with human shields,” saying they had become “hostages of Hezbollah.”

“We regret the injury to the UNIFIL soldiers and we are doing everything in our power to prevent this injury. But the simple and obvious way to ensure this is simply to get them out of the danger zone,” he said in a video addressed to the U.N. secretary-general, who has been banned from entering Israel.

The military has ordered the peacekeepers to move five kilometers (three miles) north, which would effectively keep them from doing their mission. They have already halted patrols because of air and ground attacks.

Israel has long accused the U.N. of being biased against it and relations have plunged further since the start of the war in Gaza. It has accused the U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees of having been infiltrated by Hamas, allegations the agency denies.

Italian premier says UN peacekeeper security must be guaranteed

ROME — Italian Premier Giorgia Meloni has told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that the security of U.N. forces in southern Lebanon must be “guaranteed at all times.”

In a phone conversation Sunday with Netanyahu, Meloni also stressed that UNIFIL “acts under a mandate from the Security Council to contribute to regional stability.” She reiterated “the absolute necessity that the security of UNIFIL personnel be guaranteed at all times.”

Netanyahu says Hezbollah uses U.N. peacekeepers as “human shields” after Israeli strikes wounded five of them in recent days.

The Italian premier also said she is convinced that, through the full implementation of U .N. Security Council Resolution 1701, “we can contribute to the stabilization of the Israeli-Lebanese border and ensure the return home of all displaced persons.”

Both Lebanese troops and U.N. peacekeepers are deployed in southern Lebanon to enforce the resolution that ended a bloody monthlong 2006 war between Israel and Hezbollah.

Foreign ministers of Iraq, Iran warn Israel against sparking broader war

BAGHDAD — Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi said Sunday that the Middle East faces “dangerous challenges” as Tehran anticipates an Israeli strike.

“Iran does not seek war, but we are prepared for war,” Araghchi said at a news conference in Baghdad after meeting with his Iraqi counterpart.

Meanwhile, Iraqi Foreign Minister Fouad Hussein said Israel was forbidden from using Iraq’s airspace in any possible strike against Iran.

Baghdad’s top diplomat said an outbreak of regional war will create not only a global crisis but also fertile ground for the reemergence of extremist groups like the Islamic State.

“We are trying to keep the conflict away from the region and Iraq,” he said.

Iran’s foreign minister warns the US against sending forces to operate in Israel

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — Iran’s foreign minister indirectly threatened U.S. forces potentially operating in Israel in an online post Sunday.

The comments came in a post on the social platform X long associated with Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi, who helped reached Iran’s 2015 nuclear deal with world powers.

In the message, Araghchi referred to the United States potentially sending one of its Terminal High Altitude Area Defense systems to Israel. Any move of one of the systems, known by the acronym THAAD, to Israel would involve the deployment of soldiers to operate the complex system.

“The US has been delivering record amount of arms to Israel,” the X message read. “It is now also putting lives of its troops at risk by deploying them to operate US missile systems in Israel.”

It added: “While we have made tremendous efforts in recent days to contain an all-out war in our region, I say it clearly that we have no red lines in defending our people and interests.”

Iran’s Foreign Ministry did not respond to a request for comment over the remarks, which were carried by Iranian state media.

Israel is widely believed to be planning to attack Iran over its missile barrage on Israel earlier this month, its second direct attack on Israel during the ongoing Israel-Hamas war that’s widened to Lebanon and involved other Iranian-backed militant groups in the region.

The THAAD is a defensive system that shoots down incoming ballistic missiles, like those fired by Iran in its last attack.

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Associated Press writer Jon Gambrell contributed.

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VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis reiterated his call on Sunday for an “immediate ceasefire” in the ongoing conflicts in the Middle East and asked for the U.N. peacekeepers to be “respected.”

“I continue to follow with concern what is happening in the Middle East,” the pontiff said during his Angelus prayer from the balcony overlooking St. Peter’s Square.

“Let’s pursue the paths of diplomacy and dialogue to achieve peace,” he added, stressing he feels close to all the peoples involved: Palestine, Israel, Lebanon. He prayed for all the victims, the displaced, the hostages, saying he hoped they would be released “immediately.”

The pope wished “that this great and unnecessary suffering generated by hatred and revenge will soon come to an end.”

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