Militia Threat to Hurricane Response
Posted by Odd-Preference6984@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 276 comments
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2024-10-13/armed-militia-hurricane-helene-15497437.html
HiJinx127@reddit
The first case was one guy. The second was in Tennessee, and it was an armed group.
SubstantialAbility17@reddit
A lot of this was caused by “influencers” spreading mis-information on the inter webs. One of the biggest lies was that fema was requiring your property deed to give you aid. This is obviously false. I personally have received FEMA assistance after a hurricane, and none of the “facts” these supposed influencers were spouting were true.
Midnight2012@reddit
This is obviously being instigated by America's external enemies.
Giving our enemies direct access to the average American citizen will be the greatest mistake of the Internet.
NoiceMango@reddit
It's called the republican party and russian influence.
Midnight2012@reddit
A match more in heaven.
Although, I just can't imagine them doing this without the CIA/FBI realizing, and I doubt the entire CIA is compromised. If Russian intelligence is really controlling the Republican party, it will have been the greatest intelligence operation of all time.
NoiceMango@reddit
FBI knows about it and seems to be okay with Republicans doing whatever they want. The whole republican party has become corrupt. It's not even a republican party anymore its the trump party.
Midnight2012@reddit
There is no way the FBI, CIA, homeland security would turn a blind eye to infiltration of our government by Kremlin agents. Not in a million years. The agency is too big. Even if there were some sympathetic trumpians suppressing the investigation, there would be some leaks, etc.
NoiceMango@reddit
You can't ignore all the Russian interference especially in the republican party.
helluvastorm@reddit
How many Senators Congressmen and retired ( General Flynn) have been to Russia and were buddy buddy with Putin
NoiceMango@reddit
Quite a few Republicans and Trump cabinet windows. Trump has had ties to Russia well before the elections.
ShoppingDismal3864@reddit
What more evidence do you need?
Midnight2012@reddit
A 2016 election comet style revelation of the investigation into collusion.
ShoppingDismal3864@reddit
The fbi guy behind that memo is in jail for spying for russia. So there's that.
OffRoadAdventures88@reddit
Thinking the government being able to censor people is the greatest mistake.
Midnight2012@reddit
Oh yeah, cuz information is soooo muchotr reliable now. ..
I miss the days of main steam media so much.
TheWiseAutisticOne@reddit
It’s a holy double edged sword nobody has figured out how to wield yet let alone worthy enough to wield yet
Midnight2012@reddit
Yup, the slow decay of institutions, as well as with our leader/wealthy on full display on social media, has made it that I don't think we can ever get that back without some other major transformation.
I don't know who is best to weild it. There is no way to really trust someone with power, to not abuse it, unfortunately. Ever.
TikonovGuard@reddit
Nope this is homegrown meddling
Midnight2012@reddit
Yes, it was initial periahs that were amplified by Russian information warfare. And then useful idiots picked it up and ran with it.
Nissan-S-Cargo@reddit
Couldn’t have happened without Russia? Like there isn’t a long history of ridiculous conspiracy shit about FEMA in the USA? Or was that always just a Russian op?
It’s dumb to blame Russia for everything. Sometimes it’s just Americans being terrible and misleading other Americans.
_Eucalypto_@reddit
FEMA bullshit has been going on since the 1980s
Midnight2012@reddit
Yeah, Russia knew to latch onto existing narrative and amplify it. Usually by amplifying those Americans with the most destructive pre-existing message.
That's why they can do this so non-obviously
twohammocks@reddit
Ahem coughs elon 'Musk has long communicated with the three influencers on the social media platform. A count by Fortune found around 100 combined public interactions on X between Musk and the influencer trio mostly since 2022.' Elon Musk repeatedly interacted on X with right-wing influencers allegedly backed by a Russia-funded company | Fortune
https://fortune.com/2024/09/05/elon-musk-far-right-influencers-tenet-media-russia-funded/
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/right-wing-influencers-were-duped-to-work-for-covert-russian-influence-operation-u-s-says-1.7025782
Russia via Canadian (Lauren Chen) to alter election https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/04/politics/doj-alleges-russia-funded-company-linked-social-media-stars/index.html
elon compromised? Makes you wonder...Elon Musk is out of control. Here is how to rein him in | Robert Reich | The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/30/elon-musk-wealth-power
1Squid-Pro-Crow@reddit
Yeah we received FEMA aide after a tornado in our area and it was seamless, easy, very amazing communication and very open and honest the whole time.
Everything was told to you in person, then with an email to your account, and then with an official letter. Everything was always spelled out. Everything you needed to do and supply to them (receipts etc) was always spelled out.
5 years later and I still have the deed to my house so...
Busy_Professional824@reddit
Did you have to repay anything, report it as income, anything that would make someone regret getting aid?
Kindly_Log9771@reddit
No because that’s not how this whole thing works.
AnotherCJMajor@reddit
We should let the government control the information. Then we will be sure that everything we are being told is factual.
ZolaThaGod@reddit
Yeah because letting random internet morons control the information is working so much better
Flat_Boysenberry1669@reddit
Well hundreds of thousands haven't been genocided because of internet morons saying stupid things online.
willhackforfood@reddit
Companies like Facebook are directly liable in the amplification of hate speech and propaganda that lead to the death of thousands and the displacement of nearly a million people
Flat_Boysenberry1669@reddit
No lol.
Meanwhile that was governments who did that and more.
Few-Employ-6962@reddit
Very binary thinking. Just because it is not a government doesn't equal good.
Flat_Boysenberry1669@reddit
When talking about which is more dangerous allowing idiots online or the government controlling what's allowed to be said online you're not gonna convince me the government overstep isn't more dangerous as proven by history.
Few-Employ-6962@reddit
Well yeah but then how do you get people not to swallow up the other stupid shit people put out there and covert shit from enemy governments?
TheWiseAutisticOne@reddit
Bring back classes in school that teach critical thinking and reading
Flat_Boysenberry1669@reddit
You don't let the government control what's allowed to be said lol.
How are you not getting this?
Few-Employ-6962@reddit
I get it but I think you are assuming everyone has an equal voice and there are no nefarious non-govt shenanigans going on.
Flat_Boysenberry1669@reddit
But even the it's the government lol...random idiots will never have the power they have and ability to commit massive genocide.
skitskat7@reddit
Yes, in fact...in Myanmar.
Flat_Boysenberry1669@reddit
Except that was the government.
skitskat7@reddit
It was the government, in league with ethnic majorities...ie, the average Burmese Joe.
See https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/
Flat_Boysenberry1669@reddit
Again it was the government lol just because they used the internet to spread their genocidal fantasies doesn't mean it wasn't the government.
skitskat7@reddit
The government can't do much of consequence without a constituency. I hear the distinction you're trying to make, it's just that it is imaginary.
Flat_Boysenberry1669@reddit
It's called a military and police force lol.
skitskat7@reddit
Good luck, and take care.
oooh-she-stealin@reddit
you forgot “yet” bc it’s headed that way i’m afraid. imho
Flat_Boysenberry1669@reddit
Not because of morons online lol.
oooh-she-stealin@reddit
agree to disagree
1Squid-Pro-Crow@reddit
True.
But state-controlled media is ... yike
IsItAnyWander@reddit
There's nothing inherently good or bad about state run media. Same as private run media. You have to be discerning regardless. Neither a capitalist controlled government nor capitalist owned companies have your best interests in mind.
oooh-she-stealin@reddit
bingo
caveatlector73@reddit
I'm not sure that's what they meant, but yes yikes. I'm hoping they meant people should get their factual information from the actual source.
_Eucalypto_@reddit
Do you think Radio Free Asia is a legitimate source of information?
Girafferage@reddit
Its ironic, because a lot of the disinformation comes from other governments intentionally sewing chaos.
SubstantialYard905@reddit
I live in the western part of NC; I would say that the evangelical baptists and even some slightly less evangelical churches are happily sharing the misinformation to their congregations. I was at a memorial service a week ago, and the pastor spent maybe 5 min reflecting on memorial service and then a solid 25 minutes trashing FEMA.
Lopsided_Elk_1914@reddit
that pastor should read his Bible and the verses about bearing false witness. he could find himself in big trouble with the guy upstairs.
SubstantialYard905@reddit
I wish I could say it was one pastor or one church.
Lopsided_Elk_1914@reddit
that has a lot to do with the reason i stopped going to church. i can practice my faith in my own way.
Few-Employ-6962@reddit
Here's the thing about evangelical Protestants in the main. Anyone can set themselves up as a pastor and create a church. There is no real structure. Maybe some loose alliances but honestly any wackadoo can wave a Bible around and call themselves a pastor.
its_raining_scotch@reddit
Evangelical Baptists groups are anti everything except their own cult.
1Squid-Pro-Crow@reddit
I'm not being pendantic. I love this tiny mispelling.
"Sowing" is like an old timey word for planting seeds.
But I freaking love this picture of putin "sewing" some diabolical shit for us lol.
I just ... let's go with this from now on lol
oooh-she-stealin@reddit
pigs used to plant seeds?
i annoy myself the most, don’t worry
SeaWeedSkis@reddit
Planting and also stitching pieces together...yeah, they're doing both.
Girafferage@reddit
I suppose either could sort of make sense but you are right on the incorrect word being used!
crazzzone@reddit
https://youtu.be/brDbMhkxVd4?si=XvYqaRb_u2H9mA6Y
It appears we did this to our self.
Imo it's just people getting the south ready for civil war part duex.
ProvincialPrisoner@reddit
Shared this video on another thread last week. Love some of Ryan's checking
SubstantialAbility17@reddit
I am just speaking from my experience with fema assistance. None of the information the “influencers” were pushing were factual. The sad part about the false information is it caused delays in getting people assistance.
spinbutton@reddit
Can these influencers be sued?
Ok_Analysis_3454@reddit
It's true. The UN made a World Rule (often called the "no bullshit" rule) that aims to squash the spread of Internet bullshit. You can see it's first implementation on Twitter/X. A blue checkmark means it's World FactCheck cleared, and can be trusted.
dnhs47@reddit
Another unhinged person, writing words like they aren’t entirely unhinged. Please repost to r/conspiracyTheoriesTooCrazyForEvenConspiracyTheoryNutJobs
Ok_Analysis_3454@reddit
Oh fuck off. Y'all just mad I got a easy peasy job posting for Pravda.🤣
dnhs47@reddit
Don’t spend all those rubles in one place, Comrade!
Wise_Mongoose_3930@reddit
Let’s just improve public education so we end up with less regards who believe everything they read on Facebook.
1Squid-Pro-Crow@reddit
Whoa there.
At the same time, NOT having our media set up like that means that we all need to be educated about sources. And many aren't. Obviously.
DankesObama@reddit
Hiw stupid do you have to be to believe those things lol .... right wingers are weird
Emphasis_on_why@reddit
You should research how many left wing patriot militias exist… from personal experience inside hurricane zones with your “right wing” patriot groups fema welcomes them with open arms, assigns them patrols and search and rescue and even security missions.
TheWiseAutisticOne@reddit
Who does fema welcome? The right wing militias hunting them or the left wing ones trying to make sure everyone has their needs met
WillitsThrockmorton@reddit
Other than perhaps JBGCs, left wing militas are thin on the ground in this country; and JBGCs aren't harassing the feds. They are, like, preventing right wing groups from storming drag brunches.
Contrast this to right wing militias which mostly do just that, e.g. the Bundys requisitioning public land for their own purposes.
Disposedofhero@reddit
So the thing about left wing organizations in the US is that for years, they would straight up Fred Hampton your ass for being too left wing and too loud about it.
_Eucalypto_@reddit
Can you name 3?
DankesObama@reddit
Mhm
DonBoy30@reddit
Obama’s FEMA Death Camps^tm
thumos_et_logos@reddit
There is a certain breed of “Prepper” and “homestead” influencer that is a straight up problem. They are clearly mentally unwell and possessed of poor judgment. In a way that’s apparent from even a few seconds listening to them. It’s in their voice and demeanor, their frantic aspect. The willingness to believe instantly the most outlandish stories and repeat them is to be expected of this type. And there are others like them of the same type who are watchers, not influencers and they are the ones who do the crazy things.
It’s a real problem because it’s a straight up personality type. The internet exists now, these people have mass communication and they aren’t going away. A real pickle.
actualsysadmin@reddit
This is spread around every hurricane.
For Katrina they did ask the drivers to show their license if they had one to show they were local to our city, but it was slowing the long up badly so they stopped.
Lopsided_Elk_1914@reddit
during the tremendous flooding in Eastern Kentucky, my brother-in-law received help from FEMA and nothing was demanded and nothing was ever taken from him. there should be a special place in Hell for people creating disinformation, chaos and despair as these people have.
outhighking@reddit
Seeing FEMA in action should give Americans pride
ShdwWzrdMnyGngg@reddit
Ya idiot new hire went on a power trip. That trended. Then every influencer saw those key words trending and tried to capitalize. Saying anything they could for clicks.
I saw one, "FEMA refuses to give early warnings and evac orders" like bro, that's the states job. That's basic knowledge.
NoiceMango@reddit
Right wingers can't stop spreading fear and misinformation
MTB_Mike_@reddit
There are many, many firsthand reports of FEMA confiscating aid that was sent through private nonprofits. Government has threatened to arrest people who are helping find survivors ... These people aren't influencers, they are people there helping on the ground and people who lost their homes. Thats why the aid convoys are now being armed.
KQ4UKO@reddit
Yeah I believe I saw a case of that. Where it was the local conservative government, not fema.
spinbutton@reddit
Were they doing something unsafe?
UnwrittenMichael@reddit
Were you on the ground? I was and although it took until day 3 to start seeing FEMA supplies show up, they made a big difference when they did. The local volunteer group I worked with moved a shit ton of supplies into the smaller communities around Asheville and never once had an issue with LEOs or any govt personell. This includes hiking food, water, etc into places that were cut off, doing wellness checks, and driving full vans to community centers. We were even able to get a good amount of the FEMA meals to distribute using our own network. The only time our people were ordered to do anything was when one of our crews was yelled at by a chinook team to get back to the tree line while they were making a drop.
The conspiracy theories and rumors have been insanely frustrating to deal with though.
SubstantialAbility17@reddit
Sometimes it’s best to let these agencies handle SAR activities. If someone in the non authorized party gets injured or trapped, now the authorities have to divert energy to saving that person. It’s also hard to coordinate activities. One of the biggest issue I have read about was the private helicopter pilots not following NOTAM’s for the area and just flying wherever and not following altitude requirements for GA.
DankesObama@reddit
How many many?
escapefromburlington@reddit
By influencers, you mean Kremlin propagandists?
crownofthepoor@reddit
The "Milita part is completely fake news.
from another article-
"In a press release, the Rutherford County Sheriff’s Office said reports of militia units were unfounded and that Parsons is accused of acting alone."
https://www.wbtv.com/2024/10/14/fema-contractors-ordered-stand-down-hotels-after-security-threats-messages-show/
Far_Recommendation82@reddit
Or just a fall guy
Puzzled-Grape-2831@reddit
I’m with the government and I’m here to help… lol
How does one explain the military helicopter that turned its transponder off and then buzzed a Cajun navy relief outpost?
How does one reconcile Kamala Harris shutting down airspace for a 24 hours by coming to take staged photos in Asheville( against the requests from the governor and state senators) shutting down airspace along her path, hampering relief efforts both public and private?
Your not going to be able to tell all those people that witnessed that, that what they saw didn’t happen…
Rumor on the ground in Avery and watauga counties is that the starlinks that Elon sent in where requisitioned by fema for fema. They where taken by an unmarked vehicle when they where dropped and none of the grass roots organizations doing work on the ground received a single one.
Tha_Dude_Abidez@reddit
Wrong sub to be posting this. For a prepping sub most all here believe absolutely everything the government tells them. It’s shocking honestly. You’d think even large lies that are proven so (USS Liberty, Gulf of Tonkin, Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, Tuskegee, COINTELPRO, Iran Contra, Watergate, MKULTRA, Pentagon Papers) would give people hesitation, ESPECIALLY HERE.
CockItUp@reddit
Better than you believe everything Alex Jones said.
Tha_Dude_Abidez@reddit
Dude everything I listed is proven. It's all fact, there's no conspiracy stuff linked with it.
jddoyleVT@reddit
Most impressive is how you supplied the evidentiary equivalent of fuck all to back up even a single one of your asinine claims.
I wonder why?
Nah. You are just an abject liar.
SmilingAmericaAmazon@reddit
Sourcebsinve that is a lot of rumor and misinformation.
nickMakesDIY@reddit
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/Bmzofk1vtkMorphu/
SmilingAmericaAmazon@reddit
Facebook post as proof? Please develop critical thinking skills. This would be big news of true and news outlets live nothing more than eyes on the advertisers ($).
Read the post, it was an unmarked helo, but you claim it was government.
There are a lot of civilians flying in to help, some do a better job than others.
From a family of military pilots that have gone to war. The statement that pilots would make this mistake is ridiculous ( especially for well meaning but low experience civilians but cannot rule out the military either).
If there had been a slow roll by two black SUVs ( implied by the post) there would be lots of video of that as it is slow and unusual enough for the area to be recorded
We cannot even verify from the video that was an awesome Cajun Navy relief center or that it was destroyed as the post claims
Please stop with the fear mongering and disinformation you you are spreading here and on FB
To answer your question, having read that post and many others, I do not believe you at all.
tommydeininger@reddit
Edit : gammer. Lol
SmilingAmericaAmazon@reddit
LOL! I shouldn't post before having my first cup of tea.
I am leaving it so others may snort their morning libations.
nickMakesDIY@reddit
who cares if it is a facebook post? it shows a video of a chopper busting up what looks like a supply center. No transponder? Masked pilots? No one knows where it's from? Those unknowns are enough to create some suspicion, no? Also, I doubt a bunch of civilians are flying in their choppers....
Overall, my bet is on the pilot making a mistake, but they should have just come clean and apologize instead of letting this be a mystery that fuels suspicion.
SmilingAmericaAmazon@reddit
There is nothing in your Facebook post about there being no transponder or masked pilots. Why are you making stuff up and fear mongering?
So a pilot of unknown origin got too close to some boxes and some stuff went flying.
Please provide coordinates, date, and time for the video and I will check for transponder status and flight path.
I wouldn't be surprised if this video predates the hurricanes given how much else you spew is not true.
Also, Facebook is the least reliable source of info out there because there isn't even basic fact checking. The fact that you try to say it doesn't matter proves how disingenuous you are.
thumos_et_logos@reddit
I don’t believe this is true.
I mean I don’t doubt someone threatened or even attacked rescue workers. There are a lot of crazy people in America. But I don’t believe there is a militia threat, this seems like fake news
ChillenDylan3530@reddit
It came from the North Carolina National Guard, and there was also a dude arrested for this. So yeah, it’s not “fake news”
thumos_et_logos@reddit
“A dude” yeah one crazy person. Read the article
It clearly says right at the beginning “While officials had warned about the threat of truckloads of militia potentially targeting relief workers, the sheriff’s office did not find evidence for those claims.“ aka - fake news
lucky-penny01@reddit
I’m beyond angry at this. We can’t trust anyone to get solid information out to the masses at this point. Msm has squandered their reputation and social media is in it for the clout. Can’t trust anyone anymore it seems
bigdipboy@reddit
Fascists want you to reach the conclusion that you can’t trust anything you hear so they can install fascism unobstructed.
lucky-penny01@reddit
So who do you follow that’s truthful in their reporting?
bigdipboy@reddit
Actual journalists not the sensationalist talking heads that sell fear and conspiracies.
lucky-penny01@reddit
So who would you suggest? if you wouldn’t mind, cause I’m untrusting of many after seeing the nonsense the last few years
bigdipboy@reddit
Journalists who didn’t push the big lie.
lucky-penny01@reddit
Which one?
DogzBabyzGunzBullz@reddit
The Economist, great actual reporting
lucky-penny01@reddit
Thanks I’ll check them out
babyCuckquean@reddit
Somebody said Associated Press (AP) and Politico, i second that and would like to add Axios and Reuters to the list.
SuchRoad@reddit
If you use a news aggregator such as reddit, you can check sources with:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
NoiceMango@reddit
Thats what the right wing and russian interference do. They apread fear and misinformation. Nasty Republicans
Wise_Mongoose_3930@reddit
I trust everything I read from AP and politico and I’m fine with the 0.1% of the time I end up being misled. It’s really not that hard to find good sources still. Problem is people will hear lies from cable TV news and say “well I guess this one specific outlet lying means you can’t trust any outlet”.
4k5@reddit
theloveburts@reddit
And yet no arrest were made.
Druid_High_Priest@reddit
That is the difficult part of the story. Last I checked the National Guard does have arrest powers. Yet the Guard came across armed militia and basically said "Howdy" and went on their way.
Sounds like BS to me.
TheWiseAutisticOne@reddit
A guy posted a link talking about this it’s a bit more nuanced I’ll look for the link
theloveburts@reddit
People are allowed to arm themselves, particularly in the event of a disaster. I think you part you're missing is that the people they were met we not threatening them. They told them that other armed militias were roaming around talking about killing feds.
Think about it. If the individuals the disaster workers met were looking to kill a fed, why didn't they just do it? It wasn't the ones who warned them.
My question is why isn't local law enforcement all of this shit if it's interfering with the delivery of needed help. Either it never happened or someone set those good old boys straight at the local lever and gave them a mulligan.
Tank_Girl_Gritty_235@reddit
They don't arrest their own
theloveburts@reddit
That is exactly what I meant by local law enforcement giving them a Mulligan, which means a free pass.
aonian@reddit
When did you check? The guard typically does not have arrest powered when responding to natural disasters in the U.S., beyond a typical citizens arrest. They may be able to detain people during civil unrest, but that really depends. Rules may differ by state, the specific orders issued to activate them, and it does matter if they were activated by the state vs federal government (federal troops specifically are forbidden from law enforcement duties in most circumstances).
NG service members responding to a natural disasters are also unlikely to have armor or rifles issued to them. They might have an M9, but probably not. I was a guardsmen - if I was unarmed, responding to a disaster, and a truck full of armed men told me they were hunting disaster relief workers, I would gather as much information as possible and send it up the chain. Not going to start a gunfight when all I have is a Leatherman and a shovel.
totpot@reddit
They may not have wanted to arrest a group that was likely better armed than they were and certifiably insane enough to kill National Guard members when threatened with arrest.
lostenant@reddit
This is true, but it’s not automatically granted. My understanding is you need to be deputized/given explicit authority by the governor.
Due_Satisfaction2167@reddit
They had the magic (R) that means the law doesn’t apply to them.
ngyeunjally@reddit
It’s funny republicans say the same thing about democrats.
Due_Satisfaction2167@reddit
Yeah, and they’re just straight up lying about it. Just pure projection.
HomoExtinctisus@reddit
(Arrested)[https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2024/10/13/federal-officials-nc-temporarily-relocated-amid-report-armed-militia-email-shows/]
ProfessionalCreme119@reddit
Rolling around and making a rest is so old school. Nowadays we have GPS tracking data, better satellites and real nice drone and surveillance options. We truly live in the age of "never interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake"
Like all the cellphone and tracking data they got off Jan 6th rioters. Priceless from a national security standpoint.
It's like hosting a giveaway for free drugs and seeing who shows up. Then tracking everybody to the dealers. And as stupid as that sounds you know there are plenty of people who would still show up thinking they get free drugs.
Green-Collection-968@reddit
Laws are for Dems. /s
Tediential@reddit
It was a single person with a single truck.
This has been blown WAY out of proportion.
https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2024/10/14/armed-militia-threats-to-fema-in-nc-sheriff-says-1-man-acted-alone/75669526007/
rmannyconda78@reddit
Aren’t FEMA employees civilian, god if people would realize most federal employees are not out to get you.
mrdrinc@reddit
((( )))
GWS2004@reddit
This is how dumb Trump has made people.
No_Effort9404@reddit
How?
thisMFER@reddit
Name checks out.
No_Effort9404@reddit
Hahaha touche' you magnificent bastard!
AntelopeExisting4538@reddit
People didn’t trust the government or FEMA long before Trump.
Bellypats@reddit
You forgot to in insert at the beginning of your comment the following words ,” Less”
geardedandbearded@reddit
Dude I can’t make heads or tails of what the fuck you’re trying to say here
Bellypats@reddit
Less people didn’t trust government …
dnhs47@reddit
English not your first language, eh?
Bellypats@reddit
It’s not my only language if that makes you feel any smarter than you are. I’ll keep learning.
thefedfox64@reddit
Yea right around Nixon, then bottoming out after the Fairness doctrine was repealed....odd that allowing bias in our media caused that
imtourist@reddit
Goes back to Ronald Reagan who sowed the seeds of mistrust.
PennyLeiter@reddit
Yes, but for factual reasons.
xlvi_et_ii@reddit
Oh it's been trending this way for longer than Trump thanks to people like Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, and the media personalities who normalized blatantly lying for political gain.
thefedfox64@reddit
It was that way even before them. 1987 and of course fucking Reagan. We had a Fairness Doctrine that news stations had to promote fairly differening viewpoints. This also goes along with the Zapple Doctrine that made news stations given equal time to candidates without charging them or pressing them into unworkable times lots (think late late night or early early morning). This single removal has been damning to our entire country and allowed such a polarization to occur. This is why people "fondly" remember when news was fair and unbiased...because it was. The blame lies solely at Reagan and his parties feet.
WittyDefense41@reddit
And back further than that even. The generation that defeated Nazism are all bigots by today’s standards. And the men who laid the founding principles of this nation? Racist pieces of trash.
chi_lawyer@reddit
Could only enforce that on over-the-air TV / radio that uses public airwaves, though. Doubt these folks are getting their news there.
thefedfox64@reddit
They could have easily pushed for all broadcasts that reach the public. They got rid of it via the rise of cable, it's not as if cable magically stopped them. New medium is all it was
chi_lawyer@reddit
I disagree with this as a matter of US constitutional law. Compare Miami Herald Publishing Co. v. Tornillo, 418 U.S. 241 (1974) (newspaper) with Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367 (1969) (broadcast media).
thefedfox64@reddit
I disagree with the ruling in it's entirely. The idea that the people who wrote the law at the time should have forseen the future is a farfetched and ignorant stance to take. At the time, there was ONLY broadcast media, which was entirely of what was possible and what was conceived. The people who wrote those laws wanted to have certain rules and regulations as to what was being shown. Congress should have passed and updated measures to say that broadcasts and such include cable mediums. Because cables are laid on public roads, in public mediums (like underground cables). They choose not to because they like always were behind the times, and when they realized that large % of populations were switching over, the grasp of it was already profound and we had stupid people saying it was magically different. It wasn't, and it's a pervasive misunderstanding that television via cable or internet is somehow different for the consumers than over the air. Technology changes, but we need to look at the fundamental premise - is it a vastly different experience, or do you want it to be because HBO pays politicians to convince you otherwise. A car that uses gas or electric still does the same thing, same with television
chi_lawyer@reddit
You're entitled to your opinion, but then you need to blame the Court for the broadcast-media restriction that the doctrine had.
thefedfox64@reddit
I blame Reagan and his party for killing it for broadcadt media. And Congress for not updating it. The court just upholds what the written law is....sometimes (like freedom of religion and speech separation nonsense among others).
DarthPineapple5@reddit
Yes but people like Alex Jones used to be largely on the fringe and now its mainstream. Spinning things one way or another is fundamentally different than the avalanche of lies which is what it has become.
Rev-Dr-Slimeass@reddit
Trump didn't make them dumb. The internet did. Trump just capitalised on it.
agent_flounder@reddit
Carl Sagan saw this coming in the 90's if you read "The Demon-Haunted World". This anti-intellectualism trend has been going on for a while. When leaders cut funds for education, and allow myth and legend to stand alongside science in the classroom, these are the results.
bwheelin01@reddit
Agreed, but this disinformation is being spread by republican members of congress and the republican nominee for president. Wonder why they'd be spreading Russian disinformation..?
Dazzling-PayDay420@reddit
russia
ESB1812@reddit
Yeah, fema doesn’t require property as collateral. Been through several hurricanes, “Rita, Laura, delta, etc” did not receive fema aid…denied, but insurance covered it. The closest “thing” I can think of is that there are small business loans available through the SBA, and anything over $25k will require your house to be put up as collateral, but all you have to do is just not get one over $25k.
FriendshipDefiant300@reddit
Waiting to see pics or video. I don't believe anything I hear and only half of what I see at this point. Interesting development though.
EatMoarTendies@reddit
We live in an era of Information Warfare. Have to stay skeptical and push for video/pic evidence from the source.
agent_flounder@reddit
Yeah except for deep fake pics and videos. Welcome to the post truth age. :/
babyCuckquean@reddit
Look up bellingcat, they run courses on how to discern fact from fiction.
Due_Satisfaction2167@reddit
You’re participating in social media.
That makes you far, far, far more vulnerable to information warfare than someone who just, say, watches nightly broadcast news.
Ok_Remote7762@reddit
That you believe pics and video are automatically real is absurd. That's exactly who TikTok bs panders to, idiots who believe in pictures and clips of made up shit. People who don't have the critical thinking skills to differentiate sources. And can't read
FriendshipDefiant300@reddit
I don't. Not even close. It's a figure of speech. It's just something that could be supplemental to the article. I've never even seen a TikTok video, but I'm aware it's pretty crappy.
thefedfox64@reddit
Yea the 60 second clips are whole and fair is a bad take.
expertofwhat@reddit
America’s Taliban
pimpiesweatloaf@reddit
So hard to tell who's boot to lick nowadays
hotassnuts@reddit
Jail. Now.
gamerqc@reddit
My question is: why aren't ''influencers'' held accountable for fake news? This is dangerous and the government should definitely go after them. Every single one. The elections are going to be a shitshow, you just know it. Because we killed reality for a quick buck.
WittyDefense41@reddit
That pesky constitution. We ought to just get rid of it. Then we could really go after those bastards who practice freedom of speech and freedom of press.
NoiceMango@reddit
Because nasty right wingers and people like Trump slows misinformation everyday and have gone as far as to try and instill a dictatorship and haven't been pu ished for it.
thefedfox64@reddit
Because of two reasons. First being companies are people and allowed to have a voice that is protected. (Why are companies people and now illegal immigrants is a brain busting illogical jump ill never conprehend) and second, because Reagan got rid of Fairness in our news organizations.
chi_lawyer@reddit
If corporations don't have free press rights, we've got a bigger problem than this. And the government can't decide who the press is.
thefedfox64@reddit
That's not what I said, I said companies are people and have guaranteed rights that should only apply to people. Companies should not have free press rights, people should. A company can publish an article written by someone as an opinion, but that doesn't speak for every single person that works there. Companies are not people. They do not have a voice, they can not vote, they can not go to jail, and a company does not pay taxes. No one gets a check signed Google. It's signed by someone representing the company. A person at the company can have a voice, and they can speak as a part of it. But there needs to be a clear line between Amazon disagrees the law w/e, and the owner/operator disagrees with the law w/e. Elon can talk about how he feels, but he shouldn't be allowed to talk about how Tesla feels.
Gary_Thy_Snail@reddit
“bUt Ma FreEDumS! i ThoUgHt Tis wEre ‘mErIcA.”
_WeAreFucked_@reddit
🤣, you do that soooo well I’m questioning whether you’ve become that which you imitate.
Terrible_reader@reddit
I hooope after this election they do something about it. If they don’t idk what to even say. We have seen how bad and disastrous misinformation is. It’s gotten people killed bc of the doubt. I hope to fuck all they push for something against these influencers pandering misinformation for a quick buck.
gotlactase@reddit
When does misinformation/disinformation causing someone’s death become a crime? Can they prosecute everyone spewing this nonsense?
tkb072003@reddit
“Two trucks of armed men told the National Guard Soldiers they were out hunting FEMA.”
I will reserve judgment until I see proof. This lines up perfectly with FEMA manufacturing excuses for a failed response. The more they can tell people they were tripped up the less likely they are held responsible.
Also, this conveniently hangs a millstone around the neck of the group most despised by the government.
thefedfox64@reddit
You'll reserve judgement but then judge FEMA? How does that work?
tkb072003@reddit
Current report is a single person was arrested. See how quickly the narrative changes? So yes, FEMA has a failed response and no truck full of militia.
thefedfox64@reddit
So, you pre-judged and that makes it ok? Like not getting the point
crownofthepoor@reddit
You were absolutely right. But they're too chicken shit to admit it.
"In a press release, the Rutherford County Sheriff’s Office said reports of militia units were unfounded and that Parsons is accused of acting alone."
https://www.wbtv.com/2024/10/14/fema-contractors-ordered-stand-down-hotels-after-security-threats-messages-show/
tkb072003@reddit
Good catch, it’s amazing how people make snap judgments based on unconfirmed journalism.
tkb072003@reddit
52 downvotes and there was no militia…
GWS2004@reddit
But you believe Tucker Carles and Putin? 👍
IJizzOnRedditMods@reddit
Cucker Tarlson?
odd-42@reddit
Please tell me this is sarcasm and I’m just not getting it.
IJizzOnRedditMods@reddit
You've obviously never been to the south. People here are stupid enough to do this and then go brag about it
not-a-dislike-button@reddit
This was one guy?
Bubbly_Rub_7789@reddit
Hold on. You are all democrat preppers? 😂 Call me a dumb Trump person, saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, with my eyes wide open. Trump says stupid stuff, but we know what we’re getting with him. Ya’ll have no idea what you’re in for. There is way more misinformation on the left, it’s just hidden better. But the majority of us “dumb Trumpers” are fully aware there is a ton of misinformation spread and don’t believe anything until we have proof. What are you all prepping for exactly? You don’t need to be worried about the republicans…you should be much more concerned about the crap pile your beloved administration has gotten us into.
Also, way more important than politics, I pray you seek Jesus Christ. Politics aside, God wins every time and you may want to get on HIS side of history. No matter who wins, God is in control.
I’ve literally never met a liberal prepper. This thread is hilarious! Definitely never a liberal true Christian. Please never forget these words when stuff gets wild. ASK FOR JESUS!
PrepperIntel-ModTeam@reddit
Your posting was considered Non-constructive under rule 5 of r/PrepperIntel by the mods and has been removed.
trucknuts_disposal@reddit
Most of us have way more important, impactful shit to take care of than worrying about some supposed Sky Dad.
Flat_Boysenberry1669@reddit
So the real story is a group of people armed up to patrol their neighborhood and stop looting.
FEMA is now playing victim because the Biden administration hates that.
They never threatened to shoot anyone who wasn't a looter they are not hunting FEMA lol and this is a prepper sub right? Is protecting your neighborhood from looters after a disaster bad in here now lol?
SuccessfulRoyal@reddit
Yes it is bad if your community needs help. These groups of people are not trained or responsible with their “patrols”. My experiences with them were a bunch of idiots itching for a fight and to “shoot looters”. Getting forced off the road by a bunch of dipshits with rifles with poor trigger discipline and barreling on me on multiple occasions really made me question helping their community to be honest.
Flat_Boysenberry1669@reddit
You don't know that these could be ex or current military/police.
Okay there it is you believe defending your neighborhood from looters after a disaster is looking for a fight lol.
You're victim blaming and simping for criminals because you're a far left radical.
SuccessfulRoyal@reddit
Trust me, I do. Military and PD know how to conduct a proper checkpoint and establish control of their area with waving guns out of the back of a pickup truck, but keep assuming things and being hateful. You really ought to spend some time not being a dumdum and instead join or work in proper militia or disaster support group before running your mouth. You might learn that the people who work in these orgs are not radical leftist (though certainly there may be some, just as there are radical right) but on a fundamental level normal humans don’t cower and fight but instead help their communities. All that left vs right bullshit is rotting your brain. Wish you the best regardless of your poor attitude.
Flat_Boysenberry1669@reddit
Again you are crying about people defending their neighborhoods from looting after a disaster.
You're a criminal simp who probably would loot if given the chance that's why this scares you.
SuccessfulRoyal@reddit
lol.
Unique-Coffee5087@reddit
There is a saying: "The Thief believes that everybody steals."
These people believe the government is trying to scam them out of their property. I'm inclined to think that they are the kind of people who would con other people if they had the opportunity. They cannot imagine somebody simply faithfully executing their duties.
Autumn_Of_Nations@reddit
this is what state collapse looks like, lol
bigdipboy@reddit
Sure if you mean the collapse of a state caused by the puppet of Putin spreading lies
AccurateConfidence97@reddit
Oh, this isn’t the collapse, it’s the ratcheting up to security. Idiots think all FEMA employees are armed, and all IRS employees can arrest you, etc. If they keep acting like this, it will justify these agencies to give their employees Special Agent status.
bigdipboy@reddit
Putins puppet spouts lies and gullible Americans turn against the angels who are sent to help them.
Aromatic-Deer3886@reddit
Republican rhetoric is toxic and here is a prime example of what it’s doing to America.
bardwick@reddit
Apply some critical thinking folks.
This is an article written with no sources, by a reporter for the Washington post, that did not publish this article.
There are no other sources for this claim, either in the article or any other news source. Probably because it didn't meet journalistic standards they require, so yeah.
Take it for what it's worth.
PennyLeiter@reddit
Critical thinking would lead you to conclude that this is fact. To conclude otherwise would be to deny the existence of context clues from other things known to be factual - for example: social media posts from politicians making outrageously false claims about FEMA and the government response to Hurricane Helene; regular and consistent encouragement to violence against the government by many of those same sources of misinformation; the embrace and encouragement of anti-government, armed individuals by the right wing political sphere.
Because of all of this, evidence is actually needed to prove that this story is false. It is not thinking critically to presume the story is false and encourage people to put themselves in harm's way because you chose not to believe the article.
war_against_myself@reddit
"A news organization posted a story that some unnamed and uncontactable source saw literal trucks of armed militia roaming around saying they were 'hunting FEMA' with no photo or video evidence and you should believe this without question because they said so. I do not need to prove my claim based on hearsay, YOU need to disprove my wild claim, or we must assume it is true by default.
No.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
PennyLeiter@reddit
You made a post on this sub two months ago claiming, without evidence, that there's a probability of nuclear conflict in the Middle East.
That's a pretty extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary evidence, and yet you seem comfortable just stating it as if it is fact. Weird, then, that in this instance you need proof. Almost like there's some things you want to believe are true and some things you don't want to be true, and you'll adjust your need for evidence based on that.
war_against_myself@reddit
Wow you really searched through my post history to find some kind of "gotcha"?
How is saying there is a "chance" of nuclear conflict in the ME anywhere close to claiming that there absolutely are militias rolling around in trucks saying they are going to 'hunt FEMA' in NC.
Please explain how those are equivalent.
I never said at any point there unequivocally was going to be some kind of nuclear event in the ME in 7 days or some wild claim. If I did, I would expect I had proof of that. I am not sure what you are gunning at.
PennyLeiter@reddit
Don't you mean I searched for sourced evidence? Am I not supposed to use your past posts as evidence of the consistency of your principles?
You're asking people to trust your interpretation of something as "true or false", shouldn't those people have insight into your own judgement?
They're not equivalent. The news article about a threat to FEMA is immeasurably more trustworthy than your Reddit post. But YOU seem to think otherwise, so you got called out.
You put more trust in your own post on Reddit than an article in a major publication. It wouldn't be noteworthy except for the fact that you made yourself the arbiter of truth in relation to this particular post.
war_against_myself@reddit
This isn't about me. It is about standards for information ingestion and verifying sources and being wary against misinformation. You do not need me to help you with that, or my post history. The fundamental principles of that exist irrespective of me. It should probably go without saying that one should not just take whatever is posted by a news organization as face value anymore. News organizations are frequently wrong, and the rush to put out information first, sometimes at the sake of accuracy and factuality. They have very incredible bias. They also have a financial incentive to get clicks and they effectively levy eliciting an emotional response to garner that.
I am not sure if you are serious, or if you are trolling at this point. I was not posting anything as FACT in my post. My post was purely conjecture, and was inquisitive in nature. I did not claim anything as fact. The news article did. You are completely trying to compare apples to oranges in order to somehow construct this idea I am being logically inconsistent and thereby somehow negate all the reasonable skepticism and calls for evidence against a very wild claim pushed by this news organization. I am an arbiter of truth on nothing except my own experience; I am merely advocating for ECREE and that thus far the EE part of it is very clearly absent in the WaPo article.
PennyLeiter@reddit
Yes, and you made yourself the arbiter of said standards on this post, so you did make it about you. You made it about your interpretation of what is true or false. You are simply restating my comment back to me.
The article states as fact that an email went out to federal agencies working in Rutherford County to stop working and move to a different area due to concerns over "armed militia". That is the only thing it states as fact. The email is verifiable, but if the email is based on a false report, that doesn't make the article, itself, false. Why would a writer rush to get information out about an email and not first verify that said email exists? Especially a writer like Brianna Sacks, who has worked for numerous major publications.
war_against_myself@reddit
I am not the arbiter of those standards. This is an INTEL sub. Do think there are not reasonable standards for INTEL? Do you think there are NO widely accepted standards for what constitutes actionable intel? I am the arbiter of nothing. I simply QUESTIONED whether we would ever truly KNOW whether this happened or not. That is all. I still question that, because despite what WaPo says happened, there is no proof of it - so yes of course I am asking, "did this actually happen?" If you have no interest in any of that, fine! Take WaPo and some random unknown person who made the claim and sent an email at face value and run with it. Leave it right there for you. I am not and never have questioned what the article reports, just the extraordinary claim that is being made and whether that is verifiable. It is not good enough for me. If that puts us at an impasse, agree to disagree and move on.
PennyLeiter@reddit
Yes. I do. And I don't think you have displayed them here. You've also displayed poor situational awareness.
Let's say you're right. This story is a fabrication to cover for a failure to deliver on the part of FEMA. We find evidence of that and what changes? Someone gets fired at the Washington Post.
Let's say you're wrong, but someone believes you're right and goes to help in that area and ends up shot by militia. Should you be held responsible because you demanded evidence and didn't act with caution by treating the situation seriously? Isn't that what you advocated in your post about the Middle East - act with precaution because the situation is plausible enough to do so?
INTEL also means knowing how to act with the Intel you have. Applying the same standard to every situation, regardless of context, is not thinking critically. It's how people get killed.
war_against_myself@reddit
I never advocated for anyone doing anything or not doing anything. How deeply irresponsible and unnecessary for you to suggest I did. If you have questions about how I think someone should handle this it would be wise of you to simply ask me rather than try to extrapolate based on my own personal desire to seek additional validation of claims made.
PennyLeiter@reddit
Again with the lack of critical thinking.
The original comment to which I replied openly implied that the statement made in the article was not to be trusted - i.e. without evidence people should assume that militia are not in the area armed and "hunting FEMA". I disagreed with that assessment. You disagreed with me and agreed with the premise of the post. So, yes, advocated for people to treat the information as untrustworthy by agreeing directly with that premise.
I didn't suggest it, it's there in black and white text. But that apparently doesn't stop you from portraying yourself as a victim.
war_against_myself@reddit
You can try to twist it however you want. Any statements I've made merely portray my own personal doubt and skepticism on whether the event portrayed by WaPo actually happened. It's really not any more complex than that, despite how hard you're trying to make it that way. I made no statements on what someone should do or not do with my own personal skepticism anywhere. If someone is basing their actions on my skepticism on a Reddit post, I think they have bigger problems. I'm glad you think I'm that important but I'm most certainly not. In case anyone needed a disclaimer since /u/PennyLeiter thinks you're dumb enough to need one: don't derive tactical advice based on comments from random people on a Reddit post based on extrapolations of skepticism.
You good now or you have to make up a bunch of other nonsense to try to twist what I actually said?
PennyLeiter@reddit
Totally good. I am happy to let you back away from your statement.
war_against_myself@reddit
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/arrest-made-in-connection-with-fema-threats-in-north-carolina/ar-AA1sfjrT
Shocker, the skepticism was warranted all along...
PennyLeiter@reddit
That's not how investigations work. Investigations work by treating the original report as fact, because that prompts the investigation. Which was my exact argument. Trust, but verify.
Also, this means there was a credible threat of violence, even if it was coming from just one person.
All you're doing here is continuing to prove that you don't think thoroughly before making a conclusion.
war_against_myself@reddit
No, the skepticism of the hearsay prompted the investigation.
People (authorities) said "That is a fantastic claim, let us investigate and come up with the truth." That is what happened. There is no need to claim truthfulness to unprovable claims before investigating.
Additionally, not once did I say "FEMA should ignore this, national guard should ignore this, nobody should do that, just business as usual." In fact I spoke very little if at all about what the response should be, only about the truthiness as a property of the claims in the article.
I made a very simple logical statement about one specific part of information which I had no proof was truthful, and I was correct in that skepticism as that skepticism as to what happened prompted an investigation that uncovered the truth.
PennyLeiter@reddit
In what world do you live in where police have enough resources to investigate things they don't actually believe are happening - particularly police in a disaster zone where resources are already spread thin?
The fact that they investigated it means that the initial report was credible enough to warrant further investigation. It doesn't work the opposite way and it never has.
war_against_myself@reddit
Again, where did I say that it was not credible enough to warrant a response? I have said directly the opposite.
Where did I say this either? I think you should stick to sports. I never said anything like this. I never once questioned that the report was not credible enough to warrant an investigation.
Again:
This is literally how pretty much all law enforcement works. Ever hear of "innocent until proven guilty?" That is why we have extensive systems in place to determine what is true, and we do not go in with the presupposition of truth of claims made and then require people to prove otherwise. Even with the scientific method we do not make a claim then design experiments to disprove it. That is not how it works.
war_against_myself@reddit
I've backed away from nothing and honestly you're quite an odd duck with the way you extrapolate stuff that's wildly different from what was said there's absolutely no point continuing this with you anyway so if we end this conversation with you thinking you did something I'm perfectly fine with that as well. Have a good day.
bardwick@reddit
If FEMA issued this notification, it was only noticed by one person, with no sources.
What does this even mean? If FEMA issued an order, what "clues" would you look for? YOutube video's?
PennyLeiter@reddit
The context clues are written in my comment. If you don't know how to apply them, then by all means, please keep digging for evidence that this story is false.
therapistofcats@reddit
WaPo did publish it though
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2024/10/13/federal-officials-nc-temporarily-relocated-amid-report-armed-militia-email-shows/
And Newsweek https://www.newsweek.com/armed-militia-hunting-fema-hurricane-responders-1968382
https://www.newsweek.com/fema-responds-armed-militia-threat-north-carolina-hurricane-helene-milton-1968590
Newsmax https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/rescue-crews-north-carolina-armed/2024/10/14/id/1183933/
CNN
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/14/us/fema-helene-north-carolina-reported-threats/index.html
Local news https://www.wbtv.com/2024/10/14/fema-contractors-ordered-stand-down-hotels-after-security-threats-messages-show/
Axios https://www.axios.com/2024/10/14/fema-threats-hurricane-recovery-misinformation
I could go on but I think the point has been made.
crownofthepoor@reddit
Damn that's crazy, and they were all WRONG.
"In a press release, the Rutherford County Sheriff’s Office said reports of militia units were unfounded and that Parsons is accused of acting alone."
https://www.wbtv.com/2024/10/14/fema-contractors-ordered-stand-down-hotels-after-security-threats-messages-show/
Maccabee2@reddit
The NC National Guard said they have encountered no armed militia.
Educational-Piano786@reddit
I wonder why close to an election, online right wing influencers would be lying in order to raise tensions in a devastated area, AND set the people against the Federal Govt… hmmm, whose interests does this serve?
Kindly-Scar-3224@reddit
«Not» ruzzia
crownofthepoor@reddit
This sub has been absolutely taken over by FED bots in response to the hurricane "misinformation."
Don't believe the top comments on any post on this sub anymore. Look for the downvoted comments for the truth.
IdentifyAsUnbannable@reddit
So should I downvote this or upvote so people will see it?
crownofthepoor@reddit
"In a press release, the Rutherford County Sheriff’s Office said reports of militia units were unfounded and that Parsons is accused of acting alone."
https://www.wbtv.com/2024/10/14/fema-contractors-ordered-stand-down-hotels-after-security-threats-messages-show/
war_against_myself@reddit
Its really shocking how people jump on initial reports without waiting for things to simmer a bit. So many people literally took this WaPo article at completely face value without any skepticism to the initial reporting, specifically the trucks of militia part. Kind of expected more from an "intel" sub.
crownofthepoor@reddit
Lmao doesn't even matter anymore.
crownofthepoor@reddit
Good, Citizens should be exercising their RIGHTS.
HollywoodAndTerds@reddit
Right to what, exactly?
crownofthepoor@reddit
Hold that thought.
"In a press release, the Rutherford County Sheriff’s Office said reports of militia units were unfounded and that Parsons is accused of acting alone."
https://www.wbtv.com/2024/10/14/fema-contractors-ordered-stand-down-hotels-after-security-threats-messages-show/
HollywoodAndTerds@reddit
So, what right was that person defending?
Weed-Fairy@reddit
Militia = domestic terrorists.
crownofthepoor@reddit
Literally in the constitution, Traitor.
SmallDongQuixote@reddit
This shit is not real
Lostclause@reddit
The right wing in America has fallen to Russian dis/misinformation. Whether it's Jewish space lazers, gay frogs, or now Fema death camps/squads. They then willingly spread this hate filled rhetoric by mouth or social media as the gospel truth. This sub, while always being "fringe," has moved even beyond that and is now falling into the depths of right-wing propaganda and conspiracy. It used to contain little to no politics. Just facts from (mostly) reputable sources. Now, if a sunspot shows, it's the deep states fault, it seems.
jmnugent@reddit
Everyone saying "this is fake unless we see pics or video".
And if FEMA had pics or video,.. an opposite group of people would be coming out saying "Ha, probably glowy Feds trying to make patriots look bad!!!"
This is the problem with people stirring up disinformation. It quickly turns into this "argument of doubts" of all sorts of off-shoot explanations churning up "more noise in the room" to the point where nobody nowhere can even tell what's going on (which is exactly what the people trying to stir up disinformation want)
ZolaThaGod@reddit
Exactly. You flood the field with so much misinformation until the average person can no longer distinguish truth from lies. Once you’ve done that, you’ve forced voters who don’t pay much attention to vote based on feelings rather than facts.
And let’s think - If you were someone looking to seize power, what types of low-hanging emotions would you aim to trigger in order to encourage voter turnout against the current administration? I’d say Anger, Fear, etc. What are nearly all of Trump’s talking points designed to invoke? Anger (at the current leadership), Fear (of Immigrants), etc.
bobertobrown@reddit
So true, also fear that democracy will end and anger at white males.
1Squid-Pro-Crow@reddit
Good god, you're right and we're doomed
FuguSandwich@reddit
"What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then? What else is left but to abandon even the hope of truth and content ourselves instead with stories? In these stories, it doesn't matter who the heroes are. All we want to know is: "Who is to blame?" "
--Valery Legasov, Chernobyl
jadejadenwow@reddit
The hate from fema come because when shtf they are gonna be the ones with the camps , is a a simple as can be said , people have known there capabilities for years , they want you to trust fema
Snapdragon_4U@reddit
Just terminal stupidity. There should be some kind of intelligence test for purchasing weapons.
DavidKoreshhh@reddit
More government regulation sound like such a good idea. lol
nmj95123@reddit
Empty_Equivalent6013@reddit
Copied and pasted from another thread
My personal experience:
Not FEMA, but a member of a large city FD’s rescue task force. I got deployed to the mountains for Helene for 12 days beginning the day before the storm. They were absolutely out there, they were friendly to us when they realized we weren’t FEMA, but after that first encounter we had members of city’s SWAT team brought out to provide security.
I also don’t understand the FEMA hate, aside from the lies. I don’t think people understand what the actual role of FEMA is in a disaster. I certainly didn’t know until I worked with them. I have my issues with FEMAs method of response, but even the guys with FEMA would agree with you.
SuccessfulRoyal@reddit
This kind of asshattery is not new. I had people pointing rifles at me and demanding identification in two separate fire responses with Red Cross in California. Scared people react weirdly sometimes.
Nicotine_Lobster@reddit
It’s too bad. It’s so hard to understand what the truth is.
HabsPhophet@reddit
Yall got owned by the disinformation bots so hard.
Sh3rlock_Holmes@reddit
Having worked with an electric utility during some major storms, it isn’t uncommon to have to send police with the linemen because people get crazy when they haven’t had power for a few days and they get angry of why didn’t you get here sooner, etc etc. A militia is a bit on the flip side of this but anger and crazy go hand in hand hand when you are out of your routine and didn’t prepare properly.
Green-Collection-968@reddit
Cons really are worse than worthless, aren't they?
Loeden@reddit
Things have been heading this way for a long while. Not even a little surprised.