Hm, I actually think that everywhere is kinda shitty right now. But tbh, Germany really used to be better and I woudl lie if I said I never thought about leaving. The biggest problem is (in my opinion) I've got dual citizenship now, BUT I still don't get treated as an equal, I feel that shit. I speak perfect german, I went to school here and I even adoptet A LOT of german habits, but STILL I get a "jokes" that are basically just a "funny" way telling me I'm not german. So in my opinion (correct me If I'm wrong) If I went through the same thing, lets say in the US, I would simply BE an American, right?
Come to Graz, it's just a two hours drive to zagreb from there but you have better wages. Or burgenland where my parents settled, there are croat towns there but wages are sadly much lower than in austrian cities.
I lived in Germany and Switzerland, prior to moving to the US. Disliked the lifestyle in both, money for software engineers did not generally go very far in Germany (compared to CH and especially the US), found the locals on average - though numerous exceptions apply - xenophobic in both, and weather was gray and boring most of the year. If I had for some reason to move out of the US I would certainly not go to either Germany or Switzerland. There are however people who are perfectly happy with their lives in both places.
Going anywhere is worth as much as you are informed about where are you heading, and how much does that place align with your idea of life. The hard part is to figure out what kind of life you truly like and would enjoy.
Food is shit? In university are skinheads? lol. German food is absolutely awesome and universities are usually so far left that no "skinhead" is in 99% of the courses. This was always the case and never changed.
Yes and lived in multiple countries.
Germany has the best bread culture and bakeries, aswell as a wide selection of sweets and cakes.
Both can be mastered on (certificates) because the craft demands it
Additionally we have a huge amount of potato dishes aswell as semi international things like döner.
Ever tried Kasseler with Knödel? Rinderrolladen? The wide arrange of soups and stew we have and wide selection of beers to gulp it down? (Or fanta/spezi which is also a german invention)
C'mon man, this is as big of a cope as the brits saying their food is the best because Gordon Ramsay and Jamie Oliver are bri'ish. You think german food is the best because you grew up there, it's a subjective experience. In the end, when people go abroad to eat "the best food" they don't go to germanic countries as a whole, but to Italy, Greece, Turkey, maybe France if you fall for the hype.
I "grew" up on russian food as my parents are from russia.
What is Romania, Kosovo, Serbia famous for? Germany is world famous for their beer, bakery and pasteries (latter maybe not as big as france). Regardless from that these crafts have very strict licensing and needs a lot of training to do.
Comes from the guy whos most famous food is a cabbage roll.
Also beer ain't food, but if you want to play like that I can add rakia to the list, which is pretty much
✨✋ Perfected Alcoholism ✋✨, it's as concentrated as medicinal alcohol and it's still tasty, it gets you drunk fast (or kills you if you're a noob and overdo it), and exits your system before you start getting hungover. If you get drunk on 3 six-packs of beer, that's 2 hours of fun, an afternoon of hugging the toilet and a day after of binging netflix just to recover.
Whether you're famous or not has to do with marketing, not actual quality - look around you at all the popular shite you're surrounded with, from trash music and clothings to sugary food that kills you slowly. France, like I said, is a good example of pretty underwhelming food being blown out of proportions by marketing.
That being said, the other balkan countries have variations of local foods that are arguably as good as the popular Greek / Turk ones, but don't have the marketing.
Romania borrows from 4 main cultural influences and has original recipes:
Austro-Hungary > gulyas, paprikas, smoked meats, spätzle, knödel, fine cakes, sausages.
Russia > pickles (I'm not kidding, they're the bomb), potato salads, the best cakes possible since the cold climate allows for fresh cream, eggs, etc.
The Balkans > kofta / cevapi / mici, baklava, filo pastries, meat dumplings, fresh and actually tasty produce unlike the shit from supermarkets.
Tatars in Dobruja > cabbage rolls (don't shit on them until you try local), fish soups and stews.
Original > papanași, mushrooms stews and sauces, hundreds of different types of soups and broths.
Nobody would leave their country unless they had to. Most of people would rather remain at home if it were such a paradise, except for smaller group of people who are restless spirits and a place cannot hold them.
This guy is fed up with certain things and issues from his childhood and thinks he'll solve them by moving back "home". All the luck to him, although I think he's in for a surprise after his initial honeymoon phase is through. Visiting and living in ex-Yu region is not the same thing. Covid lockdowns were anything but normal, so I'm not taking this as a valid reference.
People are people and issues exist, whether you want to acknowledge them or not. There will still be mobbing in school, but based on something else. Kids can be so cruel, they'll find a way. Also as a grown up - there will be issues of another nature. The question is - what yanks your chain more at the moment? There are people who are fed up with Balkan shit back home more and are willing to get out and try something else. The same goes for the OP from another discussion, but in the opposite way.
In general, I believe there are two groups of people as candidates to go out - 1) those who are fed up with life in general there and 2) those who are mostly fine with it, but would go abroad for financial reasons. The first group (to which I belong as well) are more resistant to the idea of going back and the other one has nothing against returning, as soon as they hit some points moneywise.
Also, there is a difference in which kind of environment you land. There might be solid jobs in construction, but you have to count on your colleagues to be builders, which might look at you as competition for jobs and express it in not so healthier of ways. The world for workers is in worse state than it was 20 years ago and there is also the rise of populism in the West - those phenomenons are not specific only to Germany. On the other hand, if you get a higher profile job, where your colleagues have higher education, they tend to be more tolerant and liberal. They might think different of you (which they have the right to do), but as long as they keep their opinion to themselves and it's not blocking my work, I couldn't care less.
Has the situation improved at home? Marketing definitely has. Technologically we are not so far behind as we were in the past. In some other way, things are worse. Those shady Balkan practices we all know were amplified since the '90s and it seemed like this was only temporary. But it wasn't, it turned to standard MO and there are now people who grew up in this and consider this as "normal". These are the people who think "it completely fine if you have enough money", like there is nothing else beside money in a society. I was working with our companies from abroad and it sometimes drove me nuts, so it killed any kind of nostalgia I had (beside the food, of course). Not to mention that I would not trust the ruling mafia with my pension.
So, is it worth? Personal decision, I guess. Some myths about Germany are still alive down there, unfortunately. I've seen with my own eyes people who came here with sought of job description (healthcare), but as soon as they found out they had to do state exam to register, they gave up the whole thing.
Nobody would leave their country unless they had to. Most of people would rather remain at home if it were such a paradise, except for smaller group of people who are restless spirits and a place cannot hold them.
The majority of those Bulgarians who "had no choice but to live" are the worst type of parasites, the ones who would demand their 16y old daughter pay them rent cuz "you can't live in this economy" while they themselves remain jobeless because "they ain't gonna be someone else's slave". 'Minor' middle class position for 1200BGN isn't quite suiting their tastes but friggin "strawberry harvester" in England for 300GBP is all they ever wanted from life.
It is very common for Germany and central EU, I fear. I am what you call as highly integrated immigrant, highly educated, developing highly sophisticated technology, even become partner in high tech start up.
But I never fit in, people in Germany feel fucking weird, could not connect with any locals, all friends are from Balkans + East Europe, US. I left 1.5 years ago, came back home. All my stress, pain, anxiety and depression is gone.
Back in Germany even with all my qualifications I felt like a maggot crawling in shit, something less then nothing. I could it see in their eyes and how they look at my face.
The german company placed everything on my job contract. Hours, h/wage, monthly wage, shifts, vacation time. Most of the people from my homeland dont even get that, that is if they even get a job.
Nuremberg is not a small city at all. I agree there are beautiful small cities in Germany. But I wouldn't leave a beautiful small city in the Balkans for them.
My honest opinion, go work 2-3 years there to make some money as emergency funds than come back home and work with domestic wages. A life lived in Germany is a wasted life.
This is what every immigrant says, since the beginning of time. But more often than not you realize when you get there that 2-3 years is not enough (because you start with the grunt jobs) and then you are stuck forever in a foreign country.
My honest opinion is that, yes, the Balkan countries are full of corruption, nepotism and backwards ways of thinking, but this is our land and we should stay here and try to improve our position instead of leaving.
Find a way to move to usa or canada if youre ambitious and hard working. Europe is a waste of time. Bureaucracy and taxation out the ass. Dogshit economic outlook too.
Get into IT or banking and then proceed to laugh at the poor europeans driving their 1.6l 4cyl hackback sheissewagens.
Which is the complete wrong approach if you ask me, the problem with the current crop is that it’s too capitalist, they’ve overdone it as usual. Like the Germans did on their French holiday in 1939.
Idk because I am not diaspora, but just from observation, Germany isn’t what it used to be. I hear stories of people going to work there and then returning like kings & queens when retiring, but then you hear what their lives were like. A bunch if people in a tiny apartment; making great money if you live here, but shitty if living there; cutting costs everywhere like eating fucking dog food to save money (true story I’m not even making this up)… and then you ask yourself is it worth it? Right now, I would say the answer is an astounding no. The grass always looks greener on the other side, but the more you travel the more you see life here is great, even with all the problems. I don’t have any explicit wish to leave after I finish college.
I know like 30 people who moved to Berlin in the last 3 years and are loving it.
It's tough to move anywhere, but being raised somewhere, moving as a baby, moving as a teen or moving as an adult are all different. Germany seems to still be the place to go for experienced, educated people from the Balkans
Well people still fantasize of some glorious life in the “better countries”. I live very close to Austria so there are quite a few folks who work in Austria and live in Slovenia. They are always saying how much better it is and how much higher the wages are, but they don’t understand that if they also lived there, had to pay rent, food etc. suddenly it wouldn’t be much better than here. Of course Austrian pay in Slovenia is very high, but their living costs are higher as well
The world is shit. Europe particularly has a nationalism and identity problem. The Balkan dude complaining about raised in Germany is very ironic considering Yugoslavia has hardly any minorities and now with SOME minorities existing, like Russians in Serbia or Nepalese in Croatia, look how they talk about them.
Europe is a racist and nationalist shithole compared to North America. Id say that is north Americas into advantage, aside from economy (jobs/salary).
To me it's just tiring seeing a European move to another European country and act like THAT ONE specific place is racist/nationalist and theirs isn't.
I've been recently on a 5 day trip on the Bavarian side of Germany. Even went up to the mountains, Konigssee; also Freilassing, even München, and we did enjoy it for sure. The market prices were ridiculously cheap compared to RO in some cases, and we were treated fair & welcoming everywhere we went to.
I even tried to learn some german, to get by, and I got complimented by a few persons, which I really did appreciate coming from natives for the very first time.
I feel this person, I'm bored of being disapora. I mean if I wanted to I could either be British and just forget my background completely if I wanted to, I wouldn't be able to do that so much with Norway but could probably still manage. Nevertheless I'm only a disapora because of the war and I love my family and as much as Western European countries are the most institutionally (healthcare, police, welfare, economy etc) safe countries you can live in, the social aspects are not impressive and people are too serious even when having fun. Is there a reason the Balkans can't just cure whatever garbage attitudes hold it back? It's not like people here don't know what they are, so let's make the adjustments needed to start building better institutions rather than banking on life as a gastarbeiter?
fuzzy3000@reddit
Hm, I actually think that everywhere is kinda shitty right now. But tbh, Germany really used to be better and I woudl lie if I said I never thought about leaving. The biggest problem is (in my opinion) I've got dual citizenship now, BUT I still don't get treated as an equal, I feel that shit. I speak perfect german, I went to school here and I even adoptet A LOT of german habits, but STILL I get a "jokes" that are basically just a "funny" way telling me I'm not german. So in my opinion (correct me If I'm wrong) If I went through the same thing, lets say in the US, I would simply BE an American, right?
GroundZeroMstrNDR@reddit
Come to Graz, it's just a two hours drive to zagreb from there but you have better wages. Or burgenland where my parents settled, there are croat towns there but wages are sadly much lower than in austrian cities.
torticaa@reddit (OP)
I'm not the OP from the linked post. I live in Banja Luka lol
srberikanac@reddit
I lived in Germany and Switzerland, prior to moving to the US. Disliked the lifestyle in both, money for software engineers did not generally go very far in Germany (compared to CH and especially the US), found the locals on average - though numerous exceptions apply - xenophobic in both, and weather was gray and boring most of the year. If I had for some reason to move out of the US I would certainly not go to either Germany or Switzerland. There are however people who are perfectly happy with their lives in both places.
not-sib@reddit
I'm a student abroad and I can't wait to finish my studies and come back home for good. Being home, for me, is better than anything.
rakijautd@reddit
Going anywhere is worth as much as you are informed about where are you heading, and how much does that place align with your idea of life. The hard part is to figure out what kind of life you truly like and would enjoy.
LordSithaniel@reddit
Food is shit? In university are skinheads? lol. German food is absolutely awesome and universities are usually so far left that no "skinhead" is in 99% of the courses. This was always the case and never changed.
topnde@reddit
Ma man, ever traveled outside Germany?
LordSithaniel@reddit
Yes and lived in multiple countries. Germany has the best bread culture and bakeries, aswell as a wide selection of sweets and cakes. Both can be mastered on (certificates) because the craft demands it
Additionally we have a huge amount of potato dishes aswell as semi international things like döner. Ever tried Kasseler with Knödel? Rinderrolladen? The wide arrange of soups and stew we have and wide selection of beers to gulp it down? (Or fanta/spezi which is also a german invention)
satanaprpppp@reddit
C'mon man, this is as big of a cope as the brits saying their food is the best because Gordon Ramsay and Jamie Oliver are bri'ish. You think german food is the best because you grew up there, it's a subjective experience. In the end, when people go abroad to eat "the best food" they don't go to germanic countries as a whole, but to Italy, Greece, Turkey, maybe France if you fall for the hype.
LordSithaniel@reddit
I "grew" up on russian food as my parents are from russia.
What is Romania, Kosovo, Serbia famous for? Germany is world famous for their beer, bakery and pasteries (latter maybe not as big as france). Regardless from that these crafts have very strict licensing and needs a lot of training to do.
Comes from the guy whos most famous food is a cabbage roll.
satanaprpppp@reddit
Also beer ain't food, but if you want to play like that I can add rakia to the list, which is pretty much
✨✋ Perfected Alcoholism ✋✨, it's as concentrated as medicinal alcohol and it's still tasty, it gets you drunk fast (or kills you if you're a noob and overdo it), and exits your system before you start getting hungover. If you get drunk on 3 six-packs of beer, that's 2 hours of fun, an afternoon of hugging the toilet and a day after of binging netflix just to recover.
satanaprpppp@reddit
Whether you're famous or not has to do with marketing, not actual quality - look around you at all the popular shite you're surrounded with, from trash music and clothings to sugary food that kills you slowly. France, like I said, is a good example of pretty underwhelming food being blown out of proportions by marketing.
That being said, the other balkan countries have variations of local foods that are arguably as good as the popular Greek / Turk ones, but don't have the marketing.
Romania borrows from 4 main cultural influences and has original recipes:
Austro-Hungary > gulyas, paprikas, smoked meats, spätzle, knödel, fine cakes, sausages.
Russia > pickles (I'm not kidding, they're the bomb), potato salads, the best cakes possible since the cold climate allows for fresh cream, eggs, etc.
The Balkans > kofta / cevapi / mici, baklava, filo pastries, meat dumplings, fresh and actually tasty produce unlike the shit from supermarkets.
Tatars in Dobruja > cabbage rolls (don't shit on them until you try local), fish soups and stews.
Original > papanași, mushrooms stews and sauces, hundreds of different types of soups and broths.
peni_in_the_tahini@reddit
Amazing.
LordSithaniel@reddit
Unflaired.
Amazing.
Hates on potato and disregards all other things.
Brainlet comment
peni_in_the_tahini@reddit
Sorry, forgot the Fanta.
topnde@reddit
I'll give you only Spezi which I love, and bretzel.
AdClean8338@reddit
German food is shit, yes. So just buy italian,or?
Pigeonofthesea8@reddit
Maybe that person went somewhere redneck
Really_gay_pineapple@reddit
Least biased german.
Tony-Angelino@reddit
Nobody would leave their country unless they had to. Most of people would rather remain at home if it were such a paradise, except for smaller group of people who are restless spirits and a place cannot hold them.
This guy is fed up with certain things and issues from his childhood and thinks he'll solve them by moving back "home". All the luck to him, although I think he's in for a surprise after his initial honeymoon phase is through. Visiting and living in ex-Yu region is not the same thing. Covid lockdowns were anything but normal, so I'm not taking this as a valid reference.
People are people and issues exist, whether you want to acknowledge them or not. There will still be mobbing in school, but based on something else. Kids can be so cruel, they'll find a way. Also as a grown up - there will be issues of another nature. The question is - what yanks your chain more at the moment? There are people who are fed up with Balkan shit back home more and are willing to get out and try something else. The same goes for the OP from another discussion, but in the opposite way.
In general, I believe there are two groups of people as candidates to go out - 1) those who are fed up with life in general there and 2) those who are mostly fine with it, but would go abroad for financial reasons. The first group (to which I belong as well) are more resistant to the idea of going back and the other one has nothing against returning, as soon as they hit some points moneywise.
Also, there is a difference in which kind of environment you land. There might be solid jobs in construction, but you have to count on your colleagues to be builders, which might look at you as competition for jobs and express it in not so healthier of ways. The world for workers is in worse state than it was 20 years ago and there is also the rise of populism in the West - those phenomenons are not specific only to Germany. On the other hand, if you get a higher profile job, where your colleagues have higher education, they tend to be more tolerant and liberal. They might think different of you (which they have the right to do), but as long as they keep their opinion to themselves and it's not blocking my work, I couldn't care less.
Has the situation improved at home? Marketing definitely has. Technologically we are not so far behind as we were in the past. In some other way, things are worse. Those shady Balkan practices we all know were amplified since the '90s and it seemed like this was only temporary. But it wasn't, it turned to standard MO and there are now people who grew up in this and consider this as "normal". These are the people who think "it completely fine if you have enough money", like there is nothing else beside money in a society. I was working with our companies from abroad and it sometimes drove me nuts, so it killed any kind of nostalgia I had (beside the food, of course). Not to mention that I would not trust the ruling mafia with my pension.
So, is it worth? Personal decision, I guess. Some myths about Germany are still alive down there, unfortunately. I've seen with my own eyes people who came here with sought of job description (healthcare), but as soon as they found out they had to do state exam to register, they gave up the whole thing.
LibertyChecked28@reddit
The majority of those Bulgarians who "had no choice but to live" are the worst type of parasites, the ones who would demand their 16y old daughter pay them rent cuz "you can't live in this economy" while they themselves remain jobeless because "they ain't gonna be someone else's slave". 'Minor' middle class position for 1200BGN isn't quite suiting their tastes but friggin "strawberry harvester" in England for 300GBP is all they ever wanted from life.
Yellow_Otherwise@reddit
It is very common for Germany and central EU, I fear. I am what you call as highly integrated immigrant, highly educated, developing highly sophisticated technology, even become partner in high tech start up.
But I never fit in, people in Germany feel fucking weird, could not connect with any locals, all friends are from Balkans + East Europe, US. I left 1.5 years ago, came back home. All my stress, pain, anxiety and depression is gone.
Back in Germany even with all my qualifications I felt like a maggot crawling in shit, something less then nothing. I could it see in their eyes and how they look at my face.
I feel you and you are making the right call.
AdClean8338@reddit
Food is shit? I just went to a croatian restorant and had ćevape, they were legit Bosnian quality ćevapi.
AdClean8338@reddit
The german company placed everything on my job contract. Hours, h/wage, monthly wage, shifts, vacation time. Most of the people from my homeland dont even get that, that is if they even get a job.
Ok_Spinach8162@reddit
Nuremberg is a beautiful small city to visit in Germany. Berlin is for parties
FilipposTrains@reddit
Nuremberg is not a small city at all. I agree there are beautiful small cities in Germany. But I wouldn't leave a beautiful small city in the Balkans for them.
thefriendlytesticle5@reddit
Everywhere is shit these days, people just don't realize that because they never left their home country.
FilipposTrains@reddit
This pretty much. At least in your home country you have your family, friends and people that actually know and care about you.
Kas0mi@reddit
My honest opinion, go work 2-3 years there to make some money as emergency funds than come back home and work with domestic wages. A life lived in Germany is a wasted life.
FilipposTrains@reddit
This is what every immigrant says, since the beginning of time. But more often than not you realize when you get there that 2-3 years is not enough (because you start with the grunt jobs) and then you are stuck forever in a foreign country.
My honest opinion is that, yes, the Balkan countries are full of corruption, nepotism and backwards ways of thinking, but this is our land and we should stay here and try to improve our position instead of leaving.
First-Egg-713@reddit
Find a way to move to usa or canada if youre ambitious and hard working. Europe is a waste of time. Bureaucracy and taxation out the ass. Dogshit economic outlook too.
Get into IT or banking and then proceed to laugh at the poor europeans driving their 1.6l 4cyl hackback sheissewagens.
Thank me later fellow balkanbros.
Capital-Isopod-3495@reddit
Usa is basically way way worse then Europe.
First-Egg-713@reddit
If youre a loser thats happy in mediocrity then yes USA is worse than europe lol.
Capital-Isopod-3495@reddit
Well luck for me I live in Europe
Pigeonofthesea8@reddit
USA is far better than Canada right now
power10010@reddit
New American dream is to leave USA 😉
KopeMaxxer@reddit
I think young people are only happy to emigrate mainly because it gives them opportunity to move away from their parents and peers
Dragomir_Despic@reddit
No Germany anymore, the same people that were “defeated” in the 40s are coming back with a vengeance unfortunately.
Pigeonofthesea8@reddit
The entire world is veering towards the right wing because they resent the effects of late-stage capitalism
Dragomir_Despic@reddit
Which is the complete wrong approach if you ask me, the problem with the current crop is that it’s too capitalist, they’ve overdone it as usual. Like the Germans did on their French holiday in 1939.
cewap1899@reddit
Idk because I am not diaspora, but just from observation, Germany isn’t what it used to be. I hear stories of people going to work there and then returning like kings & queens when retiring, but then you hear what their lives were like. A bunch if people in a tiny apartment; making great money if you live here, but shitty if living there; cutting costs everywhere like eating fucking dog food to save money (true story I’m not even making this up)… and then you ask yourself is it worth it? Right now, I would say the answer is an astounding no. The grass always looks greener on the other side, but the more you travel the more you see life here is great, even with all the problems. I don’t have any explicit wish to leave after I finish college.
HeyVeddy@reddit
I know like 30 people who moved to Berlin in the last 3 years and are loving it.
It's tough to move anywhere, but being raised somewhere, moving as a baby, moving as a teen or moving as an adult are all different. Germany seems to still be the place to go for experienced, educated people from the Balkans
Shtapiq@reddit
Well, you’re in Slovenia my dude. I don’t even know if it can still be considered Balkan or DACH at this point.
cewap1899@reddit
Well people still fantasize of some glorious life in the “better countries”. I live very close to Austria so there are quite a few folks who work in Austria and live in Slovenia. They are always saying how much better it is and how much higher the wages are, but they don’t understand that if they also lived there, had to pay rent, food etc. suddenly it wouldn’t be much better than here. Of course Austrian pay in Slovenia is very high, but their living costs are higher as well
HeyVeddy@reddit
The world is shit. Europe particularly has a nationalism and identity problem. The Balkan dude complaining about raised in Germany is very ironic considering Yugoslavia has hardly any minorities and now with SOME minorities existing, like Russians in Serbia or Nepalese in Croatia, look how they talk about them.
Europe is a racist and nationalist shithole compared to North America. Id say that is north Americas into advantage, aside from economy (jobs/salary).
To me it's just tiring seeing a European move to another European country and act like THAT ONE specific place is racist/nationalist and theirs isn't.
prajeala@reddit
I've been recently on a 5 day trip on the Bavarian side of Germany. Even went up to the mountains, Konigssee; also Freilassing, even München, and we did enjoy it for sure. The market prices were ridiculously cheap compared to RO in some cases, and we were treated fair & welcoming everywhere we went to. I even tried to learn some german, to get by, and I got complimented by a few persons, which I really did appreciate coming from natives for the very first time.
farquaad_thelord@reddit
well nowadays u got kebab stores in every corner so u dont have to worry about food
Opposite-Memory1206@reddit
I feel this person, I'm bored of being disapora. I mean if I wanted to I could either be British and just forget my background completely if I wanted to, I wouldn't be able to do that so much with Norway but could probably still manage. Nevertheless I'm only a disapora because of the war and I love my family and as much as Western European countries are the most institutionally (healthcare, police, welfare, economy etc) safe countries you can live in, the social aspects are not impressive and people are too serious even when having fun. Is there a reason the Balkans can't just cure whatever garbage attitudes hold it back? It's not like people here don't know what they are, so let's make the adjustments needed to start building better institutions rather than banking on life as a gastarbeiter?
torticaa@reddit (OP)
So much this. Can't we just fix things? I want everyone to come back and enjoy their homeland.
torticaa@reddit (OP)
Feel sorry for my Balkan bro, but i get it.