US will send a missile defense system and troops to run it to Israel to aid defense against Iran
Posted by DandyDapperness@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 220 comments
Will this increase tensions exponentially in the Middle East since we are putting troops on the ground?
InvisibleBobby@reddit
Ukraine been begging for more and Israel just smashes violence in all directions and gets them. After refusing all attempts at peace, bombing civilians, aid workers, schools, hospitals etc.
Wtf
legitusername1995@reddit
Israel invests massively on lobbying US politicians. But US policy on Middle East makes absolute no god damn senseZ
Itsnotthatsimplesam@reddit
A strong democracy in the middle east makes some sense. I wouldn't say it makes no sense. Proxy iran and check Saudi Arabi, the policy isn't that complicated
peachtreeiceage@reddit
They’re not helping. They’re making things worse. You don’t build a “strong democracy” by killing people, driving them out of their homes, and threatening the region with nuclear war.
Itsnotthatsimplesam@reddit
How do you think every strong democracy ever has been made? Every country ever made really. It involves blood.
Nukes are almost synonymous with strong democracies. Did you forget about the British Empire? Napoleon? WW1 and WW2. The whole past century?
You don't have to like them but that argument is weak AF
peachtreeiceage@reddit
Yeah well Israel is the one that needs to be nuked right now.
Itsnotthatsimplesam@reddit
There's the "hate and genocide is okay if it's on my side" line I knew you'd say!
Beveragefromthemoon@reddit
Not sure why it doesn’t make sense to you. Even if you were to only frame this in a strategic sense the United States, strategic military, and security cooperation is the most important aspect of its alliance with Israel. It gives the US a huge foothold in the region.
Spicy1@reddit
Bullshit. Did the ‘ally’ participate in any meaningful way in Iraq and Afghanistan?
DandruffSnatch@reddit
Yeah, they gave us the bad intel that led to us being there.
Oneinterestingthing@reddit
Any truth to that?? Site your sources
dadbod_Azerajin@reddit
Was useful for oil
We don't even need it anymore, keep using it because lobbying as well
Circle jerk of the century
No_Advisor_3773@reddit
Golda Meir once said something great about this:
"Let me tell you something that we Israelis have against Moses. He took us 40 years through the desert in order to bring us to the one spot in the Middle East that has no oil!"
dadbod_Azerajin@reddit
Does anyone around them have oil? Why does the us use isreal as a military base in the region
Why is the ME interesting at all to outside powers
Ok_Analysis_3454@reddit
The US bases more in Saudi to counter Iran (or Iraq) than in Israel.
gravityraster@reddit
The US doesn’t use it as a military base. That’s just a backsplaination to its siding with Israel in a genocidal colonial project.
dadbod_Azerajin@reddit
It's one of the us :empires: unsinkable aircraft carriers in a geographic area that's highly important in the world today
gravityraster@reddit
It’s high important BECAUSE of US intervention. Israeli warmongering is the point. It creates its own raison d’etre.
gwhh@reddit
Jordan and Syria have no oil also.
Expensive-Balance-84@reddit
Jordan is meh(fairly in the middle), and Syria hates the US. Egypt and Saudi Arabia is on good terms, since they get aid, and more importantly US made weapon systems. It's just fucked. I had a good paragraph to put in here, but i can't be bothered. Nothing makes sense anymore.
Beveragefromthemoon@reddit
Oil is still relevant. The Middle East holds a significant portion of the world's oil reserves, and that makes it crucial for global energy markets.
khoawala@reddit
Foothold in the region why? There's literally nothing for the US there. If we leave completely, nothing of value is lost. Hell, people there might actually leave us alone.
Now Africa, that's a different story.
Ok_Analysis_3454@reddit
Ya, but that might mean tangling with the Chinese.
Itsnotthatsimplesam@reddit
There is Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Checking your friends and enemies is worthwhile
beavertonaintsobad@reddit
more war = more weapons sales = more money for weapons manufacturers to ~~bribe~~ campaign finance elected officials = gov't creating more wars and on and on this cycle of death repeats
Chogo82@reddit
The US owns all the oil interests in Iraq. Saddam used to be a US ally and was used to suppress Iran with chemical weapons then the US turned on him during the first Bush years. It makes complete sense why the US would want to enable this kind of behavior. Additionally, if the US cares about the stability of Israel, then Israel needs more land because their tiny strip is virtually impossible to defend without the help of the US. It's likely that down the road in a few decades if Israel becomes too hard to handle, then the US may go and destroy them too like Saddam.
peachtreeiceage@reddit
Wouldn’t be surprised if - once Israel successfully “expands their footprint” - the US finds a way to get rid of Bibi and force a regime change in ISR. Look at the new US embassy in Lebanon. It’s all planned.
Chogo82@reddit
Israel is the most successful US asset in the middle east. It's at the point where it's not always clear who controls who anymore. They have overcome so much with so little to begin with. They are a give them an inch and they will take a mile kind of country.
peachtreeiceage@reddit
They’ve always been a network of highly connected, wealthy individuals with less than ethical practices.
Enough_Technology946@reddit
lol you have no idea what you are talking about
Chogo82@reddit
And you do? The truth is hard to stomach if you've been sold a lie your whole life.
Enough_Technology946@reddit
Asian and European countries are the primary owners of production infrastructure.
The oil is explicitly owned by the Iraqi people.
The US imports around 4% of our oil from Iraq. 4%. That number has moved up and down by a few percent here and there, but even since the invasion of Iraq, the US has done next to nothing to get more Iraqi oil.
Chogo82@reddit
And where did the profits from those oil sales go?
Enough_Technology946@reddit
Are you actually unable to google things yourself? Look at the earnings and owners of all the companies listed in that article…then do a google search.
Chogo82@reddit
That was a rhetoric question. The US controls the oil profits.
Enough_Technology946@reddit
lol okay, so you are a conspiracy theorist…
Chogo82@reddit
I think you are just someone that believes what is spoon fed to you.
Actual-Money7868@reddit
Iraq was about gold. Literal tons of it.
peachtreeiceage@reddit
There is also talk of them blackmailing the US in various ways.
Spare_Yam2202@reddit
You are seeing the forest for the trees. It might look like a total failure from the average persons pov but it's not for the rich guys.
khoawala@reddit
They can get rich off of Ukraine too
sr-salazar@reddit
Not as rich as you possibly can get off the Russians who sit on a vast number of assets from fertilizer to diamonds.
Ok_Analysis_3454@reddit
I wish I was rich enough to buy a tank or jet.
Loxatl@reddit
They probably already get paid by Russian oligarchs.
WowSpaceNshit@reddit
They are, just in other new ways than how they do in the Middle East
kittykatmila@reddit
IMF money printer go brrrrrrrr
OkHopeRock@reddit
It makes sense when you realize our government is controlled by zionists.
ExoticCard@reddit
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S
SludgegunkGelatin@reddit
Zionism.
AvsFan08@reddit
It makes a ton of sense if you're trying to destabilize the entire region
NoiceMango@reddit
Actually crazy how Ukraine is supposed to not provoke Russia and defend themselves with BS restrictions while Isreal is just starting war with multiple countries
eigenfudge@reddit
Aren’t Iran, Hezbollah, Houthis, Hamas, etc smashing violence in all directions? If we judged by the sheer thousands of missiles and drones they’ve sent to Israel the entire state would be flattened. It’s only being kept alive by an insane amount of missile defense…
Shadix@reddit
How many bombs have these groups dropped on actual kids, journalists, schools, hospitals, ect comparten to the zionists? Who are the actual terrorists?
eigenfudge@reddit
My point is that these groups would have genocided the whole of Israel if their thousands of bombs actually landed successfully. I mean tens of thousands from Hamas total, 8k from Hezbollah since Oct 7, etc.
The difference is Israel is a technologically advanced country which can knock their missiles and drones out of the air with their Iron Dome and defense systems. But if it didn’t have defense weapons sent to it, if we were judging by the potential death toll, Israel would be completely destroyed.
Cilantro_Sympathetic@reddit
If you do any reading on the formation of Israel, you would understand that Israel has been on offense since day one, even though Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, and partitioned Palestine did not have nearly any military capacity when the Zionists started colonizing.
I’m sure there are plenty of actors in the region that have motives that are exclusively anti-Jewish. Obviously. But the conflict is far and away a political matter not a religious one. This is the end result of an outside group 75 years ago coming into the region with the aid of two major military powers, and massacring the indigenous people there, all the way up to today. Even the US presidents involved with the accords that created Israel expressed concern about Israel becoming expansionist and ruining western relationships with the rest of the ME. And now Israel is clearing Gaza for settlement and expanding into Lebanon. “Israel would get genocided” is not a valid argument for them to be allowed to commit a genocide themselves and go on an expansionist campaign to rival Nazi Germany. In fact the “threat of erasure” of the Aryan race is exactly how Germany justified their militarism. Do you not see that parallel? It’s nearly a 1:1 situation, America is just propagandized and lobbied in favor of the fascists this time around and we get confused by the fact that the victims have become the perpetrators.
bobertobrown@reddit
So you're against immigration?
Cilantro_Sympathetic@reddit
The fuck are you on about? Forcefully taking someone’s home is not “immigration.” Israelis took Palestinian land and generational homes by force.
mr_green_guy@reddit
Hamas "rockets" fail to launch half the time and the other half, land in empty fields. The few that actually make it to populated areas are shot down and if they land, make a crater a couple feet across.
Hezbollah has limited their launches to North Israel.
Iran has launched two missile barrages, separated by several months.
On the other hand, Israel has destroyed 60% of Gaza, almost dropping two Nagasaki worth of explosives, killing 40k+ people.
Ok_Analysis_3454@reddit
A people should know when they're conquered.
mr_green_guy@reddit
LOL stick to your shitty grilling bud. your opinion is less than worthless.
Electronic_Main_2254@reddit
Don't confuse these Iranian and Russian bots with the truth, they will say that Hamas and Hezbollah are actually the good guys because they are simply doing a shitty job at putting up a fight and can't actually massacre many jews as they want simply because they technically can't, and they will blame Israel for the contrary reasons. It's like these people wish that Hamas and Hezbollah had an actual well equiped army and Israel had a 3rd world guerilla units and they're just feeling sad that's not the reality in our lifetime.
Cilantro_Sympathetic@reddit
Israel has had the military backing of the US, Britain, and France since day one and it has used that backing to kill unarmed civilians and overpower neighboring forces at all different stages of power and resources from neighborhood watches to current Iranian militias. The reason that people want Israel to “lose” is because they win by wiping out civilians intentionally and claiming they had no choice. Iran hasn’t killed any civilians in Israel and their most recent barrage proved that they could if they wanted to. The original founders of Israel specifically used the words “colonizing,” “cleansing,” and forced expulsion. By its very nature as a colonizing state there is no peaceful form of Israel.
Nobody in the west wants Hamas and Hezbollah to massacre Israelis (besides neo-Nazis, which id gladly knock some teeth out of), pretty much everyone sympathetic to Palestine wants Israel either demilitarized through protection agreements or dissolved with safety guarantees. A lot of Israelis are already fleeing the country anyways. Because “it’s the only place we’re safe” and “we have nowhere else to go” are antisemitic lies.
ExoticCard@reddit
Why the heck would they do that?
And no, it's not because they hate Jews. It is true, but that's not why.
anonymousmutekittens@reddit
It’s a pretty strong reason
anonymousmutekittens@reddit
Good luck getting that point across, apparently fighting against your own actual genocide is… genocide. People don’t wanna talk about how Iran sending all kinds of shit out to kill Israelis just because it’s a Jewish state.
SludgegunkGelatin@reddit
No, its deterrence and the threat of genocide.
A_Whole_Costco_Pizza@reddit
It's fun and trendy to blame Israel for being the victims of Iranian attack and Iranian-backed violence.
One could simply ask themselves how and why Israel has made peace with its neighbors (who were previously enemies), and is now only being attacked by Iranian-backed terrorist factions who operate out of failed states. It would make it abundantly clear that Israel is a non-aggressor (Israel has never started a war in its history, Israel has only ever defended itself in defensive wars).
bolshethicccc@reddit
I’m sure the U.S would have been flattened by now if it weren’t for all those just wars we’ve been involved in.
chriske22@reddit
Jeffery Epstein
Surprisetrextoy@reddit
Same reason they don't help in Syria, Myanmar, Sudan or Haiti. AIPAC isn't paying them to do so.
TheMidwestMarvel@reddit
Why on earth would we help those nations? The moment we step foot in there everything that goes wrong will be blamed on us.
Surprisetrextoy@reddit
As opposed to everywhere else?
DandruffSnatch@reddit
Not quite. There is no money to squeeze out of poor nations.
Rats don't just spontaneously appear. But if you start accruing massive stores of grain, it's only a matter of time before they move in and start eating away at it until nothing is left but a bunch of shit and a fatal case of histoplasmosis.
Where there is wealth, there are rats. It's why Jesus was all about being poor, not fighting with each other and giving away anything extra to those around you. It's how the homeless manage to survive-- the bank of diaspora. The hoarded "stash" is ephemeral, distributed, and constantly moving around so it mitigates losses by not being available to be infested all at once.
Ok_Analysis_3454@reddit
That's right! Those Palestinian dogs have no morals!
NewPudding9713@reddit
I think the US previously signed security agreements with Israel that makes it to where we need/have to provide a certain amount of aid/support. I think we have something in place with Ukraine as well, but I don’t think it’s quite as in depth.
Adventurous-Hurry-28@reddit
Have you not been paying attention to international news for the last few decades? Israel has been suffering countless terrorist attacks for generations from the people they are currently attacking. Every single truce with Hamas has been broken by Hamas, why should they believe them this time?
No_Advisor_3773@reddit
Israel has offered peace under the same terms since Oct.7, release the hostages and disarm the terrorist organization Hamas.
Hezbollah attacked Israel. Houthis attacked Israel. Iran attacked Israel.
You're either an antisemitic bot, probably Iranian, or such an idiotic individual that you'd be better off living in Iran where they'd have killed you at birth.
trevor32192@reddit
If one of your neighbors hates you it's probably them thats the problem when everyone of your neighbors hates you, you are the problem.
Electronic_Main_2254@reddit
You're not the problem when your entire neighbors are just a bunch of fanatics with a stone age mentality which hang gay people and outsiders in our modern era just for being gay. You're making these terrorists live easier with your approach, it's almost like you're giving them a reward just because there's 2 billion Muslims and only 8 million Jews in the region.
Cilantro_Sympathetic@reddit
The only reason there’s 8 million Jews in the region is because they’ve been killing tens of thousands of Palestinians and displacing more for the last 75 years. You can use Islamophobia all you want and point to barbarism but you show your colors by ignoring the equally destructive violence of colonialism and fascism. You’re not virtuous for preferring one flavor of violence over the other. Israel committing genocide and expanding into Muslim countries is not some heroic cure for the hyperconservative issues that some of the Arab world has. It’s a pathetic argument in defense of genocide
deiprep@reddit
Do you have any opinions on your countries special forces killing innocent civilians?
And please don't say that they are all terrorists or that the killing of civilians isn't happening.
FYI, There will no doubt be a lot of innocent people living in these affected countries who despise Hezbollah / Hamas / Iran.
acerbiac@reddit
"we are trapped in the belly of this horrible machine and the machine is bleeding to death"
robot2243@reddit
Israelis on r/worldnews always brag about how they own the US, I suppose it’s partially true lol
Electronic_Main_2254@reddit
I've never seen even 1 Israeli brag about how they own the US, can you please share some URLs for such comments as an example?
Ecstatic_Bee6067@reddit
Of they owned it, they wouldn't have to pay. They're basically just renting a time share
anonymousmutekittens@reddit
Israel isn’t the one refusing attempts at peace.
Quiet_Comedian_8014@reddit
Fuck em both
SnooOpinions5486@reddit
Israel has an independent military and Ukraine doesn't.
If the US doesn't do this then Israel will decide to bomb Iran. So its a bribe to convince Israel to use different tactics.
Chadsterwonkanogi@reddit
"refusing all attempts at peace" retard spreading terrorist propaganda? On reddit?
slightlyrabidpossum@reddit
Russia is a nuclear power. That changes the calculations around escalation.
Reasonable-City-5105@reddit
Ukraine has gotten more than enough
SlickRick941@reddit
Israel has a chance of winning. US only full commits into fights they can win, and never take fights against equals
EducatedHippy@reddit
Israel is defending itself from all directions.
LooseAd7981@reddit
Rightfully so, anybody supporting Iran’s theocratic, terrorist activities isn’t a supporter of women’s rights, LGBTQ rights, democracy and free speech.
ExoticCard@reddit
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S
Our politicians have been bought. That's just what's on the books, imagine what's in the dark money:
https://www.opensecrets.org/dark-money
ApizzaApizza@reddit
Right wing hit job. Politicians don’t control which companies donate to their political campaigns. This website frames it like they’re writing the actual person a check.
pimpin_n_stuff@reddit
The really crazy part how relatively cheap it is to buy our government officials. The return on investment is wild.
Drwrinkleyballsack@reddit
Besides cash, Israel also has dirt on people around the world. Why do you think dershowitz ran to Israel when the whole Epstein thing blew up. Ever wonder why we don't have a list? Because it's Israel's dirt list. One of many.
I_amTroda@reddit
Most are invested into stock for defense contractors. So they're paying politicians to help them, while the politicians help themselves by funneling taxpayer money back into the defense contracts and weapons shipments, and helping to raise stock returns. So, really, they are buying politicians by incentivizing politicians to also help themselves; anything extra is probably just icing on the cake if it helps keep the military industrial complex churning and enforces American/western hegemony.
AFAIK this is a huge reason why we have been involved in- or at war directly for decades
GeneralBlumpkin@reddit
Wouldn't be surprised if it's our tax money being sent back to our senators
mayorofdumb@reddit
You understand how the US creates value is in exports. Capitalism is about selling, logistics, and quality (from "basic" junk to "shit we won't know about in our lifetimes")
Feed the beast?
ExoticCard@reddit
I think this is just the "on the books" money. The dark money pool is probably much larger.
beavertonaintsobad@reddit
Yup.. a lot of these people come into office upper middle class and leave multi-millionaires.
pimpin_n_stuff@reddit
I hear you. A Supreme Court justice was purchased for private jet trips and luxury vacations, which has already caused serious damage. Even if more money is funneled through charities, book deals, golden sneakers, etc, it's still a relatively small price to pay for the influence they're getting.
Ok_Analysis_3454@reddit
I never liked Sotomayor either.
Sunbeamsoffglass@reddit
Is it even “being bought” at this point?
Bribery has been legal thanks to Republicans.
Citizens United….
ExoticCard@reddit
I wouldn't be so quick to put a party on the stake, based on those numbers everyone has been eating
amarnaredux@reddit
https://trackaipac.com
onthegrind7@reddit
Not just our politicans. Some of Russia's biggest oligarchs have Dual russian/israeli citizenship.
Roman Abramovich - Wikipedia
Mikhail Fridman - Wikipedia
My_black_kitty_cat@reddit
Some of the US’s oligarchs have dual citizenship with Israeli too.
Yiddish_Dish@reddit
Whoa leave our honorable Congressmen and Senators out of this
My_black_kitty_cat@reddit
Hahaha that’s a joke right?
Yiddish_Dish@reddit
The honorable part lol
Due_Satisfaction2167@reddit
Functional missile defense is one of the most effective things you can deploy to cool tensions.
Trextrev@reddit
Ukraine would like a word.
kormer@reddit
How could anyone think that an action that is purely defensive in nature increase tensions?
The only way this makes sense is if you wanted the people who those defensive systems are defending to die.
TaterTot_005@reddit
How would a defensive weapons system actively increase tensions? I’m so glad you asked!
In July of 2014, a Russian-crewed BUK-9M38 was used to escalate tensions in the Newly begun Russo-Ukrainian conflict in the Donbas. It shot down a neutral aircraft, namely a civilian Boeing 777 operating under the flight no. MH-17.
In the context of this conflict, Israeli units have been documented to actively engage UN troops within the borders of Lebanon. This lack of intelligence/fire discipline is exactly the kind of stuff that widens what would otherwise be localized conflicts
Trextrev@reddit
This unit is going to be stationed in Israel, and manned by the US so there is no aircraft to shoot down except Israel’s, so it’s really nothing like what a Russia did.
DandyDapperness@reddit (OP)
I simply asked what the opinions were on this and if it could be viewed as a force multiplier, ergo it can increase tension.
I put up cameras on my house and one of my neighbors got weird about it because he didn't think our neighborhood was that dangerous. It is a defensive measure to protect my house but some neighbors view it as too much.
britskates@reddit
Fuck Israel 100%
bak2skewl@reddit
100%? not even like 93%?
a2aurelio@reddit
No. Israel is the only country in the region that can act as a counter balance to Iran. Giving the Israelis weapons to keep Iran in its box makes perfect strategic sense.
DistributorScientiae@reddit
If there were no isreal, iran wouldn't require counterbalancing since there would be a threat to nothing.
ngyeunjally@reddit
The us backs Israel primarily because Iran is a threat to us interests.
DistributorScientiae@reddit
Such as?
ngyeunjally@reddit
Mainly the petrodollar and therefore the us currency’s dominance as the world reserve.
DistributorScientiae@reddit
Iran has never posed a direct threat to the petrodollar
Gym_Noob134@reddit
Iran wants to eliminate the Saudi’s and the Israeli’s. This is a threat to the petrodollar, considering the dollar is tied to oil, because the world runs on oil & America shows it’s top dog by ensuring the world has abundant access to middle eastern oil.
ngyeunjally@reddit
I’m sure you mean existential. Iran has counterfeiting operations which are direct attacks on the US dollar. Just because they can’t knock over our house doesn’t mean we let them beat on it with a hammer.
a2aurelio@reddit
Seriously? That's your comment? I was in the government when the Iranians too over 400 hostages from the US Embassy.
You bet they are our enemy. Get real. Wake up.
qjxj@reddit
We wouldn't have to counter Iran if we didn't enable Israel.
...or coup their government.
...or shoot down their civilian airlines.
a2aurelio@reddit
Not true. The first enemy of the Islamic Republic of Iran, since it was declared, has been and still is the United States. Iranian Jihadism is global. Israel is a tiny country. It's the US who is the Great Satan in Iranian chants.
Iran is the enemy of the United States and a source of chaos in the Mideast. It is radical and militant. So, even if there was no Israel, the conflict between the US and Iran would still continue from its beginning in the 1980s.
Israel is there. "If it weren't there" isn't a serious argument.
qjxj@reddit
And that Islamic state was declared because...
Israel is there and can stay there for all I care. We don't have to provide them with 500 pound bombs to keep it that way.
a2aurelio@reddit
Agree with your first point. Your second point is something about which reasonable people can disagree. I respect your view.
ABitingShrew@reddit
Tell me, when did Iran become an Islamic Republic? Who was in charge before that, and who was supporting them materially?
Was the previous leadership of Iran perhaps a brutal dictatorial regime backed by the US?
Gee I wonder why they dislike the US so much. They must hate our "freedoms"
Effective-Ad-6460@reddit
US still funding Genocide is actually crazy
ngyeunjally@reddit
Can’t fund something that doesn’t exist.
Effective-Ad-6460@reddit
Guessing you watch a lot of news/media
ngyeunjally@reddit
Im up to date which is why I don’t believe in genocides that are nothing more than Iranian propaganda. You’re letting Qatari oligarchs influence your beliefs. How does that feel?
NoiceMango@reddit
Killing thousands of people and bombing water towers, schools, hospitals, roads, and every necessary infrastructure needed is genocide. They're literslly trying to make it unliveable while killing Tens of thousands of children
Effective-Ad-6460@reddit
Tell that to the families of the 40,000 civilians wiped off the map
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/gaza-40000deaths-turk-ohchr-15aug24/
But I guess ignoring the pictures of starving kids with blown off limbs is normality for you 👍
Eazy-Eid@reddit
You're right, the US should cut all funding to the Gaza strip since it all ends up in the hands of the genocidal maniacs in Hamas
jordweet@reddit
Agreed at least someone with nuanced thought exists. Defense isn't genocide dummies but it makes a nice buzzword
Business888@reddit
Burning humans alive, turning off incubators, killing kids via snipers it's all genocide by ISISrael.
jordweet@reddit
Why don't go educate yourself about the horrors committed throughout history by the Muslim world. Then tell me they are better than israel.
Cilantro_Sympathetic@reddit
Killing upwards of 40,000 civilians, destroying their medical care systems, their water supply, targeting their journalists, blockading any food import, and killing international aid workers trying help them are all literally agreed upon internationally as not defensive. Just because the UN and ICC are a bunch of pussies and won’t bring consequences to Israel does not mean that we can just redefine words and act like Israel isn’t acting with wholesale disregard of innocent non-combatant life.
jordweet@reddit
Hiding behind civilian infrastructure is cowardly and as the only armed group that wages war in this way they deserve to be eradicated to prevent future generations from being able to continue terrorism. Collateral damage now to prevent murder of innocent people in the future is inevitable. They will lose.
n0k0@reddit
Killing a ton more civilians, wiping out entire families indiscriminately, will create future generations that will seek revenge. Rinse, repeat.
Hamas won't ever be "eradicated", they'll likely change names and grow in numbers unless these cycles stop.
jordweet@reddit
I hope they kill every single terrorist
Business888@reddit
Then they will have to kill entire IDF.
jordweet@reddit
I was trying to be realistic
Ok_Analysis_3454@reddit
They got the government they voted for. Please submit your request to have the "refugees" resettled to a brother Arab nation, and see where that goes 🤣
Cilantro_Sympathetic@reddit
Cool if trump gets re-elected then and we go full fascist I guess it’s totally fair and moral if a neighboring country comes and firebombs all our hospitals and orphanages. Makes total sense
ngyeunjally@reddit
If one of our neighbors feel so strongly about it they’re welcome to try something then they’ll feel nothing at all.
Cilantro_Sympathetic@reddit
Sure. So do you not see that by the same logic, Israel deserves to be destroyed?
ngyeunjally@reddit
For acting in self defense?
Cilantro_Sympathetic@reddit
Bombing hospitals and refugees is not self defense. And before you say it, no I don’t care where the guerrilla forces are hiding. If a terrorist is holding a child hostage you don’t shoot the kid twice and the terrorist once.
ngyeunjally@reddit
Collateral damage is an accepted reality of war. Hamas the duly elected government of Gaza knew this when they attacked Israel. Hezbollah a prominent force in Lebanese government knew that when they decided to attack Israel.
Cilantro_Sympathetic@reddit
Collective punishment is literally not an acceptable “reality” of war and the ICC, as toothless as it is, has clearly acknowledged Israel’s breach of these norms. Hezbollah also hasn’t killed any civilians lol.
Look up the Dahiya Doctrine. Israel is not making war in good faith. Civilian death is obviously the goal, not a byproduct. But it’s hard to see that with IDF nuts in your face
ngyeunjally@reddit
Collateral damage is an acceptable reality of war.
Cilantro_Sympathetic@reddit
Israel has done far more than collateral damage. Targeting journalists, medics, international aid groups, and destroying water supplies and cutting off food import are all outside of the acceptable acts of war. It is a genocide.
I meant in the last two rocket barrages. Like Israel striking civilian centers earlier in Lebanon is not civilian death for civilian death, it’s just Israel purposely causing civilian death on its own volition.
ngyeunjally@reddit
Lmao. A “genocide” worlds worst genocide supposedly perpetrated by one of the worlds most efficient militaries.
Cilantro_Sympathetic@reddit
The IDF is notoriously ass at anything other than airstriking unfortified civilian residences. Hamas has been sniping IDF soldiers trying on dresses found in abandoned homes (I swear on my life I’m not even exaggerating that) and they’re currently getting blown out on the ground by Hezbollah. It actually makes perfect sense that Israel would suck ass at a genocide. But a shitty genocide is still a genocide
ngyeunjally@reddit
The casualty ratio discredits your theory Israel has had very few losses over all compared to Hamas combatants.
Cilantro_Sympathetic@reddit
We literally know that Israel considers any Palestinian male 14-55 as a combatant so I feel comfortable disregarding their numbers. I’m sure Hamas has definitely suffered loses, don’t get me wrong, but Israel has dropped more bombs on Gaza than were dropped in the entirety of WW2. And Gaza is fucking tiny. For there to be even a single Hamas fighter still standing is a testament to Israel’s hubris
ngyeunjally@reddit
Lmao. The silly things you make up.
jordweet@reddit
How do you recommend stopping terrorists from being able to kill Israeli citizens, the difference is Israel's goal is to kill terrorists, people that kill civilians, terrorists want to kill all Israeli citizens, innocent people, are we only condemning Israel and not terrorists? Seems wrong to me, condemn terrorists, support Israel's efforts to protect their civilians, anything else and you're supporting terrorists. Not a good look
Cilantro_Sympathetic@reddit
You are borderline incoherent.
Who here is actually killing civilians in this moment? You are turning a blind eye to the actual, real life, irreversible destruction of life that is currently happening because you think it is the solution to preventing a hypothetical type of violence. Killing civilians is terrorism. Israel is killing civilians. Magnitudes more civilians that. Hamas did. Incomparably more. There is a fresh bombing every day but you characterize every Israeli missile as if it is being launched by Hamas. I am coming back to Reddit from watching videos of burning bodies hooked up to IVs in TENT HOSPITALS. Israel is fucking FIREBOMBING THE INJURED AND THE DISPLACED. It is maddening that you think the hell Israel is creating is justifiable in ANY case.
This is not an argument about “how to stop terrorism” because that is not Israel’s goal. Israel’s goal is to erase the Palestinian people. You are on the wrong side of history and you will either stay there or you will put in the effort to fully understand the gravity of what is being done.
Non-Schwimmer@reddit
The population of Gaza has nearly doubled in 20 years. If we are paying for a genocide we are getting ripped off.
Ok_Analysis_3454@reddit
Zoom in on the graph. I think your missing a dip.
The_Cross_Matrix_712@reddit
Yes, because they have a right to "defend" themselves from their unwarranted aggression.
osawatomie_brown@reddit
remind me why we talk about Israel and the United States as if those are two separate countries?
waterjaguar@reddit
Israel is a strategic democratic ally to the US, and we will be supporting them forever.
ahs_mod@reddit
They couldn’t have bought one of these with the billions we already give them
YouSuckItNow12@reddit
Training crews take time.
I also suspect we’d like more data on Iran’s missiles and this is the system to do that.
DreamInMonoVision@reddit
If you don’t laugh, you’ll cry. Why is Israel’s defense so much more important than the homeless here, or the poor here, the medically needy here? Why must we continue to funnel trillions of dollars to this outside entity while your own people die in the streets?
HiJinx127@reddit
Probably something to do with Israel being the only US ally in a region loaded with both oil and loonies.
Unique_Block_6085@reddit
You mean defend a country who is committing genocide, war crimes, and mass killing children. I do not call that defense, I call that being complicit in war crimes.
BirdsSpyOnUs@reddit
Good. America. Google "Palestinians celebrating 9/11". They don't like us. They hate us. They will murder and kill all of us, if/when they get the means. You're brainwashed if you think Israel is the bad guy. I'm sorry it's hard to admit, but it's cold facts. You HAVE to jump on board. Palestinians are Not ANYONES FRIENDS except other Muslims
The ONLY way this conflict between Palestinians and their Voted in Terrorist Leaders Hamas THEY VOTED FOR , THEY let in their babies rooms to shoot rockets out the windows, THEY let shoot rockets out of elementary schools. The only way it will end is when every single brainwashed Palestinian that hates every non-believer, American, Jewish or not, is unfortunately taken out. These people were programmed by their parents, and cartoons depicting any non-muslin as little devil evil characters from Birth. It's sadly engraved in their brains, that if they commit martyrdom (suicide, killing themselves and other non believers in order to GO TO HEAVEN - YES - THATS WHAT THESE RADICALS BELIEVE) is the way to heaven.
It's sick there's any Americans supporting them. Little do they know, they wouldn't survive a single DAY in Palestinian territory they would be Killed, kidnapped, held for ransom , tortured or all 4. In Israel they'd have a wonderful, albeit scary day, not knowing while they're eating their lunch amongst EVERY OTHER RACE, if that bomb / rocket launched from some insane Palestinian father who shot it out his child's elementary schools playground , will get passed Israel's rocket defense system the iron dome (which ONLY DESTROYS ROCKETS IN THE AIR) and kill them - innocent people - just living about their lives.
Business888@reddit
That was Fake video circulated time to time by ISISrael to manufacture consent for Palestinian genocide and land theft program.
Dancing Israelis close to twin towers however is very authentic news and video and where did those Mossad agents go after that is also a very interesting story, don't you think?
Rest of your rant is typical Hasbara lies that you people spew for 15 cents an hour.
KazGorath506@reddit
Well said... To hell with the mossad hasbara shill.
BirdsSpyOnUs@reddit
Go move to Palestine. I'll write up your obituary now.
Rumpleforeskin666420@reddit
I don’t know why you are getting downvoted. What you are saying is all technically true
Fullcrum505@reddit
Bipartisanship is only available to defend Israel, not for hurricane funds for Americans. Get with the program.
Yiddish_Dish@reddit
Males sense as they run the US
Fullcrum505@reddit
America steers the ship, as they are our proxies to fight Iran. Weaponizing a people to fight our enemies is US diplomacy 101.
Yiddish_Dish@reddit
.. and what type of folks are at the helm? Hmm I wonder. 🙄
Unable_Ad_1260@reddit
Send it to Ukraine! Where it's needed.
Psistriker94@reddit
Imagine being sent to die for Israel.
flaginorout@reddit
Nothing personal, but I don’t personally think Israel is valuable enough to put THIS much effort and resources to defend. For me, boots on the ground is a bridge too far. I’m not in favor.
OrDer1A@reddit
Eh, boots inside israel is a non-issue. Now if they’ve invading thats an issue. Dont send our boys off to die for no reason.
flaginorout@reddit
What happens if one of those boots gets killed or captured by Iran? Or Hamas? Or whomever?
The warhawks will be screaming bloody murder. They’ll want 100,000 more boots on the ground.
Vietnam started off with a few ‘advisors’ in country.
ABitingShrew@reddit
What do you mean "if"?
I would bet good money that they are being sacrificed so that the US can finally invade Iran.
OrDer1A@reddit
I hear ya, I don’t trust our leaders not to do that either, but we already have boots there, and you do realize that Iran is 3 nations away, don’t you? Don’t see them being able to do that, or trying.
flaginorout@reddit
I’m just a lot more indifferent to Middle East geopolitics than some folks. I’m not really convinced that Israel is really all that important to the US bottom line. I don’t see the ROI. Certainly not hundreds of billions worth of ROI.
I’m not religious, so the theological stuff doesn’t resonate with me. I’m just looking at the business end of the matter.
OrDer1A@reddit
There really is no ROI, nobody is invading the US, we need to let other nations deal with their own wars and be bystanders.
acerbiac@reddit
like Iraq? Afganistan? Vietnam? Korea? Hello?
OrDer1A@reddit
Those were invasions, im saying im find with use defending another nation inside their borders, not sending ours into theirs.
acerbiac@reddit
what i'm getting at is that completely pointless boots-on-the-ground invasions are a common-- maybe preferred-- thing for the US. and there's no reason not to expect another chapter opening now, especially as Israel seems to be intent upon making it unavoidable.
OrDer1A@reddit
So we’re going to invade Iran? You do understand that Iran is 3 nations away from Israel, and the geography alone is an insane hurdle to do that.
brainrotbro@reddit
I’m pretty ambivalent on US aid to Israel, but it’s a little naive to not understand why the US funds Israel in the way it does. It’s a western foothold in a part of the world that is violently adversed to western culture and the western way of life. It’s really that simple. Again, I don’t really care either way, but it’s good to know why.
flaginorout@reddit
We've been in 2 wars and several smaller operations in the ME. None of them depended on Israel as a foothold. If we're being honest, Israel proved to be a liability in the first Gulf war.
I've heard your reason before. I suppose, in theory, its true. You can't have too many footholds, I guess. But I think it's incredibly overrated. Not worth the amount of money spent and diplomatic headaches we endure for an 'extra' theoretical foothold.
The reason we jump through THIS many hoops for Israel is that no president wants to be the one who lets them fold on their watch. The evangelicals and catholics would shit a brick and vote accordingly.
Most of the strategic and economic reasons people give are.....well.......silly. Israel is a tiny country the size of Delaware. They simply don't have anything to offer us that we really need. It would be like saying that a peasant like me is somehow strategically and economically important to Jeff Bezos because I own 500 shares of Amazon.
Reasonable_Base9537@reddit
Agree. I don't have confidence that Israel's enemies would distinguish against US troops in a "purely defensive role" and IDF. Any of ours wind up in harms way and the path to escalation will become very real for US.
No_Advisor_3773@reddit
We have military bases in Israel already, ffs if you're gonna post softcore Iranian propaganda do it after a wikipedia search
flaginorout@reddit
Propaganda? I didn’t even mention Iran.
Please explain, in detail, how my comment equated to Iranian propaganda.
ChiefRom@reddit
I wonder what those U.S. Troops will witness and if they will speak up about what they see. I can totally see the IDF disposing of American Troops for seeing something they weren't supposed to and blaming it on Hamas.
powerX21@reddit
They will be chilling inside Israel and probably go shopping from time to time in malls in Tel Aviv, the only thing they might witness is some homeless asking for spare change lmao
DwarvenRedshirt@reddit
Where exactly do you think those anti-missile batteries will be in order for those troops to witness things? They're not going to be on the front lines to see squat.
Ok_Analysis_3454@reddit
WTF? They got their own shit that works great. Why do they need us to help?
ngyeunjally@reddit
We need to help Israel.
Mundane-Wishbone5096@reddit
I can't see this ending badly
cipher446@reddit
I link this to the 4.4 earthquake near Semnan about a week ago that seemed to have some of the earmarks of an underground nuclear test. Not saying it was successful or even a nuclear test, but if it was, it means Iran has progressed enough to make a preemptive strike on its facilities much more dangerous since Iran has at least a theoretical strikeback capability. The THAAD system is designed to keep an Iranian strike at bay, potentially neutralizing their newly gained strike advantage and therefore is also a bid to restabilize Israel's likely desire to strike Iran before things get any more advanced, and keep things from escalating past everyone's ability to control. No one wants Iran to have nukes, but once Iran has nukes , how it gets managed changes. Iran otherwise doesn't have any weaponry requiring a THAAD. This is less about Israel specifically and more about stabilizing a very dangerous situation.
Tight-Reward816@reddit
No. We are already all over the place there. Mostly creating bottlenecks to adjudicate the status quo. 🤔🤷🏾🇺🇸💯🐾🐾🫡
NoHopeNoLifeJustPain@reddit
US should send some to UNIFIL given Israel is even attacking UN personnel now. Truly the only democracy in middle east is now a rogue state.
Tradtrade@reddit
Putin absolutely loving this
fractalineglaze@reddit
Probably not. US boots are already on the ground, and the THAAD system is just replacing exhausted Arrow launchers. It doesn't really expand existing capabilities at all - if Iran launched another ballistic attack it would be just about equally as successful as the last one.
As I understand it, even if they moved every single THAAD system in the world and every single interceptor to Israel, it would be exhausted pretty quickly under a full barrage. The limited bandwidth also means that many strikes would make it through the defenses during that barrage.
I expect there to be a few statements against the move by parties such as Iran, but no significant reaction. They've been very cautious toward physical escalations because they're trying not to take bait that would bring the full force of the US into the fight. With that in mind, this transfer doesn't really provide any reason for them to change their strategy.
E_lonui7xz@reddit
Thankyou, much needed!! 🙏
No_Independent_6800@reddit
People here will still stay this won’t escalate anything and turn into an all out war lol.
No_Advisor_3773@reddit
We already have military bases in Israel. This won't be a notable uptick in troop numbers stationed there.
LowChain2633@reddit
No.