Which chain restaurant has fallen off the most in your opinion?
Posted by rabbles-of-roses@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 1212 comments
Growing up as an anime-obsessed teen in the 00s and early 2010s, the ultimate birthday treat for me was a meal at yo! sushi with my friends. And from what I remember it was fairly reasonable, about the same price as any other chain restaurant, tasty, and had the novelty of the conveyor belt. For a girl growing up in Somerset, it felt incredibly cosmopolitan. But now a ton of their locations have closed down, a lot of items have been taken off the menu and replaced with more generic but more expensive offerings (a small plate of fries for £5?), the conveyor belt has changed to an app-based order system, and the sushi is supermarket standard.
What fall from chain restaurant grace has shocked you the most?
Pristine-Ad-4996@reddit
Beefeater
Used to be half decent but now...
ForwardAd5837@reddit
Essentially all chain restaurants. I’m struggling to think of one that has consistently maintained standards. Places like Toby Carvery I suppose, but they’re still what they always were; cheap and what you see is what you get. Cheap enough to avoid the criticisms of other restaurants.
Even ‘higher-end’ chain offerings such as Mowgli, Wahaca, Hickorys etc fell off from previous standards when they went from great small operations with a couple of locations to conglomerate-backed chains with more locations but way less quality.
britishwinegirl@reddit
Mowgli has now gone to shit , big corporate buy out yet again
ForwardAd5837@reddit
Yep, and several years ago it was excellent, when they had only 4/5 North West locations. Last time I went it was crap, unrecognisable and I felt bad because I’d hyped it up to my partner who’d never been before.
Unfortunately, now that Greene King has bought Hickorys, that will go the same way (and has begun to cut corners already).
britishwinegirl@reddit
100%, I’m from Liverpool and attended the opening of Bold st, been a few times over the years in a few locations but the last couple of times have been terrible, Nisha Katona only actually owns a tiny portion now but still continues to put on the show on social media it’s all about her, think she’ll regret that in couple more years when it continues to fall further and further into the chain restaurant hellhole
ForwardAd5837@reddit
Agreed. The Bold St location was great, and the other location in town was great when it started (Water St?). I absolutely agree and she likely will end up a bit richer but less fulfilled as a result.
Same thing happened with Wahaca but a couple years earlier and I don’t think it even exists now.
blackn1ght@reddit
We went to the one in the corn exchange in Manchester a few months ago, and also Preston earlier in the year, both times were great. The chaat bombs are 👌
Working_Bowl@reddit
I went to a Toby Carvery a few months ago - first time I’ve been to one in about 20 years. I was actually surprised, for the price it was decent enough. I don’t know if that’s because it actually was value for money, or just that all the other chains have just worsened in quality to the same level but kept prices higher.
CatchFactory@reddit
Yeah I hadn't been one to years and then suddenly my grandparents wanted to take one. It was great, the meat was really good as were the potatoes, the veg is pretty basic but is good enough and the gravy is good all for what, £12.99 on a Sunday I think. Great value. Only issue was how loud and packed it was
Beartato4772@reddit
It's interesting because both Miller and Carter and Harvester have been called out in this thread and both of those are the same company as Toby.
rabbles-of-roses@reddit (OP)
Five Guys is keeping things steady, not noticed any decline in quality with them yet
hulminator@reddit
Still owned by the people that built the business, that's the difference.
Proud_Smell_4455@reddit
Tried Five Guys once. The burger was like a cupcake and there were some fries in my salt.
External-Bet-2375@reddit
Yeah, I've only been a couple of times and have no great desire to go again. The burgers are ok, but small and expensive while the chips were unbelievably salty on both occasions. Not good.
Capital_Punisher@reddit
Pizza Express too
doublemp@reddit
Yes but getting stingier with the chips.
Wild_Region_7853@reddit
Nah I got a ‘little’ chips yesterday in Birmingham and the paper bag was pretty much half full. I couldn’t even finish them all. Might just be your local that’s stingy.
tonification@reddit
I mean five guys is like £25 for a tasty but very 'sweaty' burger that makes you feel regret afterwards.
ForwardAd5837@reddit
Hmm I agree that it’s decent, I personally don’t categorise it as a restaurant like the others, it’s more of a fast food chain. It’s also very pricey, but I agree the quality hasn’t been allowed to plummet like at other places.
matomo23@reddit
Do you have any Marstons carveries near you? I’d recommend them as an alternative to Toby and for a similar price. Much better quality.
ForwardAd5837@reddit
Not that I can think of but I’ll take a look at their website and see what’s close. Round by me it’s mainly shit gastro pubs charging £18 for a crap burger or overcooked fish and chips.
matomo23@reddit
Aren’t you in Cheshire? You definitely have Marstons near you if so as I go to them!
ForwardAd5837@reddit
I am in Cheshire and I say that in a relative sense - the village I live in is 30 minutes drive from the nearest town with a supermarket, so nothing is ‘close’ as such, but a quick glance shows there’s one two villages over, about 8 miles from me that has a carvery! To be honest I knew of the pub but not that it was a Marstons. May have to give the carvery a go.
CurmudgeonLife@reddit
Toby are atrocious now.
Last time I went the veg and potato's were raw, the meat was mostly fat and the gravy was cold.
Sent it back and walked out.
ForwardAd5837@reddit
I’m not sure if Toby operates on a franchise model, but I’ve found them hit and miss with some locations shit and some routinely decent.
Rhythm_Killer@reddit
Well, all casual dining is in trouble for lower quality and higher prices now.
I’d single out Las Iguanas, multiple menu enshittifications in the last few years, dirty, slow service.
JTG___@reddit
Maybe it’s just childhood nostalgia and it was never that good in the first place, but I always remember Frankie and Benny’s being decent in the 00’s.
Went there a few years ago for the first time in probably a decade just because it was late on and it was next to my hotel and it was pretty grim. Kind of destroyed all my happy childhood memories of going on my birthday and having them bring out my cheesecake as Cliff Richard blared from the speakers lmao.
Rhythm_Killer@reddit
It was among my very first casual dining experiences, I felt in the 00s it already had problems
Soldarumi@reddit
I, too, have fond childhood memories, but I will never go back. My wife got so stressed at me a few months back when we went. There's one next door to our cinema, so we stopped in for a bite before a film. Not busy, by any stretch.
Drinks (a pint and a coke) took 20 mins. Food took over an hour and we missed the start of the film. Waitress has the audacity to get shirty with me when I ask for the 3rd time where the food has got to. But my wife asked me to keep the peace so I tried to remain civil.
M90Motorway@reddit
My experience was the exact opposite! We ordered our food and it came just after they brought the drinks. Clearly it was just microwaved and brought to the table as there is no other way you could cook bolognaise and a burger in less than 5 minutes!
meesterdave@reddit
Bolognese is, or was when I worked at Frankie's, a hot hold item. Pasta is pre-cooked so just goes in hot water for a min and the burgers are batch cooked and also a hot hold item. Perfectly possible for your dinner to come out in that timeframe but definitely not freshly cooked.
superjeegs@reddit
Maybe you can help me! When they stopped doing it I asked staff members if they could find out what kind of relish used to come out with the cheeseburgers, but nobody knew what I was on about. Do you know? It was like a sweet chilli chutney type thing served in a ramekin next to the burger and chips 🙏🏻
M90Motorway@reddit
Isn’t that just what McDonald’s does with their burgers? It just seems crazy that you spend all that money to get glorified fast food (no offence to you obviously)!
meesterdave@reddit
No offence taken, it was and is glorified fast food.
The menu was so huge that there's no way to do everything from fresh.
Want to hear about how poached eggs are done in batches then plopped into an ice/water pan ready to be reheated in boiling water when needed?
M90Motorway@reddit
Yeah I tend to not trust restaurants that have a lot of things on their menu unless they are easy to prepare using simple ingredients like actual Italian food. Reheated eggs kept in ice water sounds pretty disgusting I can’t lie although I’m not surprised they also do that!
gavco98uk@reddit
can you explain what "hot hold item" means for the non-chefs on the board? I assume you mean pre-cooked, then kept warm?
meesterdave@reddit
Sure. Your Bolognese comes in pre-made and is then warmed to temperature. It will sit (covered) in a bain Marie, basically hot but not boiling water in its own metal container for up to 2 hours so it's ready to go when needed.
The pasta is cooked just before it's al dente then chilled and stored in the fridge until needed. The line cook will take a portion and put it into hot water to finish the cooking process before plating it all up.
Burgers are cooked throughout the day but held in a hot drawer with water so the steam keeps them moist and at a specific hold temperature. They will then be taken and just 'flashed' on the grill before being served.
Ricky_Martins_Vagina@reddit
You're assuming they're cooking every meal from scratch. Not claiming I know what goes on in the kitchen at F&B, and microwaves certainly wouldn't be inconceivable, but they could just be bulk cooking the popular dishes so that they've always got some on hand ready to serve
toroferney@reddit
Why would you have to be asked to keep the peace? It’s late food, no one should be “uncivil” about late food. Goodness me.
Marcuse0@reddit
Some people are so terrified of conflict or being ill-thought of that they will sit and wait through poor service so they can avoid the stress of having a confrontation about it.
toroferney@reddit
Again another unnecessary word “confrontation “ it’s all very combative and aggressive language. You should be able to have a grown up conversation and explain what’s happening and that it’s not acceptable to you and falls short of the service you’d expect without being confrontational. Or uncivil.
Marcuse0@reddit
Yes, I agree. But I am also able to observe that people do think like this and fear it enough they will let people serve them poorly for fear of causing anyone any upset ever.
Efficient_Chance7639@reddit
This happened to me the one and only time I went there. 2 drinks and 2 plates of food and I think we were there about 1.5 hours. Never went back after that.
Bad_Combination@reddit
Had a very similar experience. Food and drinks took forever to arrive despite there being only one other table in. They forgot to cook our sides then somehow took ~15 minutes to ‘cook’ broccoli stems. Food was less than average in terms of taste and quality. Haven’t been back since!
Frosty_Pepper1609@reddit
It really was good in the early 2000s. The one in Burton upon Trent, near to where I grew up, was always packed on Friday evenings/nights and the weekend. As a 13-14 year old in 2000/01, it was always a treat on a Friday evening. Pizzas were always good
Jadeyfly@reddit
I also grew up in Burton, and loved Frankie and Bennie’s, I was 12/13 at in the 2000’s and always went there once a month for the pizzas!
Mobile-Eggplant2131@reddit
Could this be my bitch?
Fearnicus@reddit
I also grew up in Burton, and alas, Frankie and Bennie's is a Tim Horton's now.
Curiousferrets@reddit
And it's dire!
Sir-Chris-Finch@reddit
Weird to think you almost definitely would have both been inside the building at the same time, and you’ll never know
Curiousferrets@reddit
Yay Burtonian here! Totally agree.
Mobile-Eggplant2131@reddit
Another burtonian here who also agrees
FlappyClaps@reddit
I remember the crayons you'd get as a kid from that branch! Was always popular at primary school with that in your pencil case.
NefariousnessNo4918@reddit
You chose F&Bs over boat-era Wing Wah?! Inconceivable.
VictimsOfTheCat@reddit
Lichfieldian here - went to the Wing Wah for my 18th in '06, remember being mesmerised by the chocolate fountain at the time as it was the first I'd ever seen... Take home from that night though was my dad eating so much ("i need to get my money's worth") he threw up next to his car as we were about to leave... couldn't go again after that experience!
Lou-Lou-Belle@reddit
Wing Wah’s! Yes!!
Frosty_Pepper1609@reddit
My family would always choose Jee Ja Jees over wing wah - not that I complained though !
aricaia@reddit
Absolute classic, that was always my dad’s birthday dinner destination! Wing Wah!
clairobelle@reddit
The flaming swan birthday celebration ice cream was always a favourite
pointlesstasks@reddit
Cineworld and then F and Bs!
TWWCBL@reddit
Another burton born here. I definitely remember eating here and it was good, but must've been the best part of 20 years ago.
Wing Wah's was top tier. That ice cream machine and chocolate fountain chef kiss
Bulletsoul78@reddit
And the upside is that it was right next to the cinema! It's a Tim Hortons now.
guildazoid@reddit
Burton on Trent seems to have a very different vibe to Burton on stather
TooStonedForAName@reddit
Literally opened the thread to say Frankie and Bennys. I swear they used to be good
SailorJerryRum@reddit
I'm not sure if it's because of our sheltered British culinary taste buds? Plus nostalgia, I guess. My standards (I'd imagine most people's) have gone up massively, in what I expect from eating out. If I leave feeling "I could've made that, or better" I feel it was a wasted trip/money.
Were they ever good? Or just different from our own home cooking.
I used to go for breakfast occasionally. Got a virtually raw egg on a benedict, never went back.
Always knew it was just frozen food, often microwaved, this was the final tipping point for me.
AlisonMoyet@reddit
F&Bs was never amazing, but it was decent for the price point back in the days they had the broad menu. My kids always wanted to go there for birthdays as they had the little musical bit when the cake came out which was a nice touch. Walked past the one in Covent Garden last week and the menu is very small and the prices are mental for what you get.
Shame really.
UnSpanishInquisition@reddit
Only place that does American breakfast, harvester sort of does but I want egg and bacon not fried chicken.
icecreamivan@reddit
Defo nostalgia. It was always expensive and shit. First time maybe early 2000's. Was hugely disappointed.
willcodefordonuts@reddit
Frankie and Bennys has been going down for years. The food is ok but not good, and the service is pretty bad sometimes.
I went in with friends once and asked for a table. The place was virtually empty and we got told there would be a wait because none of the tables were cleaned. Like ok go clean one now then it’s not that hard!
bananamugcake@reddit
Used to go every birthday as a kid, last time I went was 2019 and it had gotten so downhill that I’ve not been back since. My mum is gluten free and asked for a gluten free pasta dish, they went to Asda to buy some pasta. I miss their pancakes and the mock tails on the kids menu they used to do :(
HelloDolly1989@reddit
For sure. My boyfriend and I went recently because neither of us had been for years and fancied a hit of nostalgia. I ordered a Dr Pepper, which was just a standard 500ml bottle, no glass or ice offered. Think it was about £4 when the same thing in the shops is about £1.50. The waitress took ages to take our order. I’m vegetarian so my options are usually fairly limited so I just went with a veggie burger, which was over cooked. The fries were unseasoned, I had to ask for salt as none on the table. Portion was also tiny for the price. No one checked on us to see if the meal was ok. We asked for the bill as had a movie to get to and again, the waitress took a long time although it wasn’t busy. When we did get the bill I was paying by card and there was an option to pay a 5, 10, 15 or 20% tip. Tipping isn’t the norm in the UK although I will tip for exceptional service, which we didn’t get. There was no way to bypass the tipping menu to just pay the bill, the waitress had gone to do something else while I paid anyway. I just selected 5% as we were by now in a rush. Overall a very frustrating and underwhelming experience. We won’t go to F&B again.
TheKnightsTippler@reddit
This was the first place I thought of too.
I remember the food being good for a chain restaurant, and I don't think it's just childhood nostalgia, because my older relatives liked it too.
Last two times I went there the food was much lower quality and the service was terrible. They forgot my food and upsold my kid sister a large pizza that was obviously way too much food for her.
Thestickleman@reddit
Everytime I've been to frankie and bennys the food has been pretty average at best
Ryanhussain14@reddit
One time when I as a kid and went to Frankie and Benny’s, I had a Caesar chicken pizza. One of the best pizzas I've ever had in my life and I've been chasing that dragon since.
fraggle200@reddit
F&B's was always top tier trash imo. Out of 10, i never had a meal that was above a 2. Had a gf burst into tears when her pizza came to our table one day we were in there. 😂 Melodramatic? 100%, but not unfounded.
Ordered a steak once, asked for it rare. It was worse than well done when i got it. Spoke to mgr and was told that that steak was rare cos rare means the type of cut, not the way it's cooked.
The sooner that chain is erradicated, the better.
nadthegoat@reddit
It’s likely these places have always been sub-par, but as a kid you’re there for the experience not the food so that’s what you associate with it. As an adult you appreciate good food over the excitement of dining out.
GiraffePlastic2394@reddit
Used to take the grandchildren there. They loved it and is was pretty good as I recall. It's closed now.
scamqlikely@reddit
I feel the same way about Chucky Thursday's, tbh
Viazon@reddit
The Frankie and Benny's in my town closed during lockdown and never opened again. I remember going there once and I wasn't impressed. It's a KFC now.
Awkward_Chain_7839@reddit
Our local one closed not long ago and is an Indian street food place now (mowgli ?) I haven’t tried it yet.
Miles_5555@reddit
Can definitely recommend Mowgli, somewhat expensive, but incredible food!
JTG___@reddit
Our local one closed a few years ago and is a Tim Hortons now.
cornflakegirl658@reddit
Yes it definitely was! Used to go all the time as a kid and then they changed the menu and made it more worse.
Andr0idUser@reddit
100%!! Frankie and Bennies used to have a Chilli Cheese Bowl with Doughballs. It was fire. everything these days is frozen shite.
btrpb@reddit
The one time I went there it felt like pub microwave food.
Pen_dragons_pizza@reddit
I think that Frankie and benny’s changed up the quality of its food as it’s abysmal now, where as I remember it in the 00’s being decent.
I went recently for the first time in maybe 12 years and all I could think was that this place would be the exact type of place kitchen nightmares features. Cheap produce, no flavour or presentation, lazy staff, tired looking restaurant.
It’s a shame really as they had a fun enough novelty yet have obviously decided to slash budgets and put out absolute awful food as a result. I remember the buffalo chicken wings being top tier with the dipping sauce.
Lego-hearts@reddit
I think I remember their breakfast still being okay? But that was about two years ago.
Perseus73@reddit
Yep this. Used to be decent then the food just went super greasy, the food invariably came out covered in little burnt bits from the fat and the customer service became atrocious. I had two bad visits, one where the server didn’t even give me my change after paying cash, and I had to argue to get my change vs them just not giving it back and taking it as tips (!). That was about 2013. Never went back.
Crivens999@reddit
Used to there in the mid 90s as was right next to the cinema. Food was pretty nice and liked how they played a learning Italian CD in the toilets. However infamous for being appalling with wait times. You would need to book at least a two hours in advance if you wanted to make the film. Ask for the bill and it took like 20 mins. Every sodding time
Working_Bowl@reddit
Yes! In the late 90s/early 00s, the Frankie and benny’s near us was great. Always busy and had a queue. Really fun atmosphere, the bar was busy as did decent cocktails too (before cocktails outside of a posh hotel or bar were a thing). Food was good, service was great. Such a shame it just declined to the point it was a ghost town with awful food. It only closed a couple of years ago, but have no idea how it stayed open as long as it did.
badtpuchpanda@reddit
NSFW
I used to enjoy going to Frankie & Benny’s, until some 10+ years ago I had started dating a girl. I suggested we go to F&Bs she told me a guy she was talking to online (before we started chatting to / dating me) had sent her an unsolicited video of him masturbating at work in the staff toilet of a F&Bs with his work apron wrapped around his John Thomas. I was never able to set foot in a F&Bs again.
Bilbo_Buggin@reddit
Same, quite often used to go there with my mum when I was younger and remember it being fairly good! That branch was a bit further out for us, but the most local one has always been really really bad.
Ricky_Martins_Vagina@reddit
I feel the same with all the 'American Diner' type places, epitomised by F&B, TGI's, and then the independent ones that all inevitably went bust. There were a few in Leeds, Milwaukee Exchange, Boston Exchange, Chicago Exchange, Fatty Arbuckles, etc that were all my favourite places as a kid but looking back as an adult they were all the same corny gimmicks.
anseltorr@reddit
Had it for the first time yesterday. Threw up on the side of the road on the way home. Had no idea it used to be pretty decent.
monsieurkinkle@reddit
are we sure that frankie and bennys has actually got worse or was it just that the last time we ate there we were kids?!
Bozzaholic@reddit
They used to do a family deal where you got pizzas and pasta, it was awesome but the quality went downhill fast
Meta-Fox@reddit
Frankie and Benny's was definitely a treat for me growing up.
I went to one a few years ago and it was massively overpriced and the food was abysmal.
foxprorawks@reddit
Frankie & Benny’s, TGI Fridays, and, in Scotland, Monterey Jack’s have all fallen off. All pretty dire now.
Transmit_Him@reddit
Frankie and Benny’s jumped the shark when they stopped playing Rat Pack music (which they even used to sell CDs of). I’m not even a massive fan of that kind of music, but it really created an atmosphere.
TescoGangsta@reddit
I was in my early 20s at this point and I honestly can’t remember Frankie and Bennys being anything other than totally shit. It smacked me as one of those places people went to feel posh 🤷🏼♀️
Sir-Chris-Finch@reddit
Yeah you’re spot on. I distinctly remember going there in the 2000s and the food there was genuinely class. I used to have the burger and chips and my brother would have a pizza, its making me hungry just thinking about it. No idea where it all went wrong
I_Rarely_Downvote@reddit
I haven't gone in over a decade and I don't plan to, since I want to keep my positive childhood memories intact.
Optimal_Builder_5724@reddit
I wish I had resisted the urge.
Optimal_Builder_5724@reddit
It was always a treat as a kid. I went a few years back and it was rank 🤮
Not been back since.
BaseballFuryThurman@reddit
Me and my mates used to go to Frankie & Benny's quite often around 2011-2013 because we worked two doors away from one and got discount. The breakfast was really good - I remember always getting a bacon, sausage and egg muffin with unlimited hot drink refills for less than a fiver. They also did a lovely burger called the New Yorker which they suddenly took off the menu, had pretty nice calzones and their Louisiana hot wings were pretty bang on too.
Maybe it went to shit after that but we definitely thought it was pretty good back then.
AquaTourmaline@reddit
Their black and blue burger was wonderful.
I went back months later and ordered it again, and what they served me was terrible. It was an obviously defrosted, mushy mess. They definitely changed the quality of the food.
illarionds@reddit
Definitely nostalgia. Last (only) time I went there was in the mid 2000s, and I was honestly shocked by how terrible it was.
Not the worst restaurant food I've ever had - but pretty close. And remarkably expensive for what it was too.
folklovermore_@reddit
I went for a couple of birthdays around that time and remember it being pretty good. Went back again about five years ago and it was absolutely dire.
jlb8@reddit
I’ve never had a good meal at one and I’ve been a lot.
Mustbejoking_13@reddit
Came here to suggest Frankie and Benny's, but I'll be honest and say I can't really remember what changed. Used to go quite often with my wife and son, most often for brunch. And then, we just stopped. I can't pinpoint why, whether the food quality wasn't as good or the service was poor. If I recall correctly, Covid closed our most local branch and we've just not been back since. It was always okay, never exceptional.
Master_Block1302@reddit
Good heavens.
Saying Frankie and Benny’s was decent is…just.:.I dunno…about the worst call I could ever imagine.
It has been my benchmark for an absolutely shit place to eat for a couple of decades.
It’s not possible to be worse than F&B. It represents the non plus ultra of terrible..everything.
Shielo34@reddit
I feel like part of the excitement with F&B’s is that it was usually part of an out of town complex with a cinema, so you’d often go there when you’re going to the cinema.
Agree that these days they’re pretty poor.
Due_Okra_5431@reddit
I used to work there ! They killed it post 2019! At its root you went there when everywhere else was busy or for your birthday. At least it was reliable and relatively cheap (can’t remember a day when there wasn’t a discount code you could google!)
C0nnectionTerminat3d@reddit
yes!! it was the perfect budget restaurant back 15 years ago, i loved their hot fudge brownie sundaes they used to do. Occasionally me and my mum will go for nostalgia but that’s like, once every couple years. Thankfully their spaghetti hasn’t changed over the years.
Aurora-love@reddit
I went to one yesterday cos it was the only option and it was fairly grim, and it’s got so expensive!
maidenyorkshire@reddit
A calzone from there was to die for, really dark lighting with some crooner music playing.
DurhamOx@reddit
I also had a birthday there and I remember it being pretty good, but then going back there a few years afterward and it being so disgusting that nobody in my family has ever returned
The_SaintXVI@reddit
I remember going there with my ex about 10 years ago for the first time and thinking it was a posh restaurant because they had steak done how you liked it. I even got the CD they used to sell
Specialist-Cake-9919@reddit
I'm with you on this, used to go F&Bs for pizza in Mcr before a monthly cinema night with my older sister. The pizzas weren't huge and delicious.
Since they opened up all over on retails parks we've been since and the food was so bland it was untrue.
Went to the 'restaurant' at the Trafford centre Centre with an ex and she ordered a chicken, bacon and avocados salad with a jacket potato, our food arrives and the avocado looks dry and dark at the edges, definitely not fresh.
She's picking away at it a bit unsure when she discovers a foil top for a plastic butter packet on the plate, obviously we'd been served someone's leftovers and the plate tarted up a little to serve again.
Called the waitress over and she grabbed the manager, a fresh plate of food arrived in minutes which was fine considering it's pretty bland anyway.
Offered free drinks, pretty much laughed in her face, told her we refused to pay for anything and if she wanted to be awkward about it we'd go to the Manchester Evening News. So we got a meal for two with dessert and drinks for free in the end but still would never go back there again.
SnooLobsters8265@reddit
We used to go there on our sad dad weekends after my parents just split up and I loved it! They did an ice cream sundae with popcorn on it I recall. I will make sure I don’t go in one now and ruin all the memories.
rd3160@reddit
My local one opened in 2013 and was good for a couple of years, absolutely fell off a cliff in about 2017 and closed in 2021.
Street_sweep9@reddit
I was only thinking about Frankie and Benny's yesterday.
Very nostalgiac... but looking back, the food was not the best..
CooroSnowFox@reddit
Italian food has really changed around the brand and you have many alternatives that did it, F&B are a mixed brand trying to fit a few different ideas into one
Overthinker-dreamer@reddit
Had brilliant memories at Frankie and Benny's. Had many meals with family and firends.
Last meal I had was very disappointing.
BabyAlibi@reddit
They were my first thought too. It was always my birthday place of choice (even though I'm much older) and the it was bought over, turned in to basic cafe food and never recover all the old ones I knew are closed down now.
soverytiiiired@reddit
It was half decent at one point! My mum and I used to go there for brunch quite often but then it completely fell off a cliff overnight! I felt bad for the manager of my local one when it closed because he was mint
zonked282@reddit
Pizza hut, the quality of the food served has dropped DRAMATICALLY while doubling in price. No wonder they are going out of business
Laser9308@reddit
Depends where you go I think. Hadn't been to one in ages so thought I'd give it a go and luckily went to a good branch, pizza was as good as its always been and they had good salad options. The only thing now is they've drastically cut staff. You have to order what you want on the app (whilst sat at a table, you don't get table service anymore- except someone showing you to the seat and telling you to use the app.) We still enjoyed it but was a bit flummoxed when the app asked us if we wanted to tip our service person aha.
LetterheadOdd5700@reddit
Wagamama - it was the bees knees at the beginning, now overpriced poor quality cr@p.
SuperRajio@reddit
I think Wagamama has stayed mostly the same - but there's been an increase in alternatives, which make it seem less good by comparison. Especially since they're similarly priced.
chezdor@reddit
Itsu ❤️
Unusual-Art2288@reddit
Sometimes ypu can here the pings of the microwave going off.
bmikesova44@reddit
There are literally not microwaves in the kitchens, the only pings you get are from the steamers and deliveroo tablet...
Ciza-161@reddit
You must be going to some bad ones. All the ones near me are still excellent.
OldGuto@reddit
The food is good enough, but the prices. It's massive economies of scale but the prices are similar to the top notch independent ramen place here that has had rave reviews from people like Jay Rayner.
Swim-Global@reddit
Matsudai by any chance?
The thing that scares me about Wagamama’s as well as the price is the calories, it’s classed as a ‘healthy option’ on delivery apps but 800cal for a salad is wild.
OldGuto@reddit
Yeah that's the one. Would far rather spend my money there than at Wagamama.
djbigball@reddit
I used to go to Everyday People like once month but since the jay raynor piece it’s basically impossible to get a table
Superdudeo@reddit
You don’t know what good food is if you think they’re anywhere close to excellent
Appropriate-Divide64@reddit
Had one a few weeks back, the quality is 'ok' but the prices are fucking awful now. I consider it to be a Nandos tier dining experience but the price was off putting.
I used to think nothing of getting extras there like dumplings, but last time I refused to because of the price. And the payment system has the audacity to beg for tips. Fuck off, pay your staff properly and don't guilt me into subsidising it.
Peacelily79@reddit
Hold up, where is the bit begging for tips?
We are paid pretty well in my opinion.
Appropriate-Divide64@reddit
When you go through the payment process on the website using the qr code. There's a wee bit of dark UI in there so you have to search to find "No Tip"
I just naturally assume the pay is shit when they do that
Armyofthe12monkeys@reddit
i have travelled around a lot with work and ate wagamamas quite often over the last 10 years. have to say it did go through a period of being poor but recently has gotten a lot better. More meat in the meals, better presentation etc. I think it went through a poor period where it rode on the initial boom while it decreased its quality. Much better now.
tmr89@reddit
Bringing out dishes “whenever they’re ready”, so you might be sitting there with a side dish of rice while your partner has their main
thelajestic@reddit
That's standard practice for Japanese restaurants, whether they're independent or chains. Never been to one that didn't do the same.
Nartyn@reddit
We're not in Japan.
tmr89@reddit
Yes, Japanese restaurants sell pad Thai
Nartyn@reddit
I went to one the other day and it was really really poor. One person's dish was stone cold, my bao buns were tiny and only half filled and it was fairly expensive on top.
FunMathematician4638@reddit
The amount of upvotes on this comment are proof why you can’t trust the UK
takesthebiscuit@reddit
Yea the chicken pad Thai has not changed in about 10 years!
Former_Wang_owner@reddit
Maybe you have poor taste? Lol
Felgrand3189@reddit
Same! The local one near me is still as good as the day it opened!
CarefulAstronomer255@reddit
I go down to visit my parents every christmas, and there's a Wagamama not far from the hotel I always stay at, I eat there every year and I haven't really noticed any problems.
eggyfigs@reddit
Agreed- That goes for all Alan Yaus places after he sells up
WealthMain2987@reddit
Unpopular opinion - I always thought their food was mediocre.
ipreferDigg@reddit
How does it compare vs Yo sushi?
Lonely-Dragonfruit98@reddit
Fully agree - it never seems fresh any more, and always has the appearance of something that’s been reheated in a microwave.
Plus I always leave Wagamama still feeling hungry - their portions are shockingly small these days.
WarmTransportation35@reddit
I remember trying it at a school trip in central London when I was 16 and had no idea what half the dishes were so managed to get veg noodles. The porton was huge and my mates were not able to finish theirs while I finished mine and was stuffed. Back then (12 years ago) it was around £10 but now it's around £12 so not a huge increase but the portion is almost a quater smaller and the taste is not as good as it was before.
Lonely-Dragonfruit98@reddit
Yeah last time I went it was around £13.50 for a small plate of noodles with about half a dozen small pieces of chicken in. Felt like a massive rip off.
b0xd@reddit
That’s about £20 now at my local one. I still like the taste of the food but the portion sizes are an absolute joke for the price.
0x633546a298e734700b@reddit
You can literally stand and watch the kitchen in wagamamas. They don't microwave stuff
Volotor@reddit
I used to love them because they where one of the first chaines to have a gluten free specific menu, but they have gone downhill hard, their gluten free menu is absolutely dire and what the fuck have they done to the pad thai?
baldeagle1991@reddit
Tbh I always felt it was mediocre, it just lacks serious competiton over here in UK.
Doesn't help they keep removing my favourite items from their menu's.
hellobeatifulworld@reddit
I came here to write this :) Wagamama went downhill so much compared to what it used to be
feesh_face@reddit
It’s a very recent thing, but seems to hold true in two I’ve been to. Smaller portions, not as flavourful, questionable menu changes. Shame, used to love it.
HotChoc64@reddit
I will never understand the Reddit Wagamama hate, never heard reflected it in real life
Ruadhan2300@reddit
I've always found it incredibly overdone. Not bad quality, just overengineered food.
It's a place for trendy startup CEOs to take their investors for lunch.
As an actual restaurant? Very meh.
WarmTransportation35@reddit
It's not terrible but the portion sizes have been getting smaller, their flavours more bland. I would still eat there but it won't be my first option.
denkmusic@reddit
In 2018 Wagamama got bought by TRG, who also owned Frankie and bennys until 2022. Maybe the downfall of both of these is no coincidence. But is noticed the ingredient quality decreasing in Wagamama’s food way earlier than 2018.
chroniccomplexcase@reddit
Really? The ones I go to are still really good, food is hot, tasty and well cooked. For the price it’s well priced and I look forward to going (don’t have one super close to me)
xoxosydneyxoxo@reddit
The last time I went there I got some broth thingy and it really didn't agree with me.
Dazzling-Astronaut83@reddit
Wagamama has always been average at best
SarcasticDevil@reddit
There are worse chains but I think Wagamamas is easily the most overrated
Felgrand3189@reddit
Sad to hear the one near you is bad. The one near me is still top quality and has been for the 15 or so years I've been going there.
televijon@reddit
Agreed 100%, even a few years ago it was something to look forward to.
Last time I went I received a thrown together meal with far too much oil used, left my mouth feeling greasy and as someone who loves spice and heat, I can tell you it was not balanced and was chucked in at the end.
The marketing looks really great. The style of photography in the images, the smart layout of the menu and the decor of the restaurants is genuinely nice. The quality of the product was a big let down and I enjoyed the Edamame starter more than anything. Oily, stodgy, coaster-esque roti and a katsu dip, not so much.
Needless to say the place was still packed out, the crowd of people was very diverse and I feel like it’s become a bit of a British/Japanese version of Nando’s.
Not worth the £42 a head I have to say and I doubt I’ll be back any time soon but maybe it’s a case of massive growth and not being able to hire enough chefs to meet the demand.
I hope the can turn it around because it really could be a great option!
vientianna@reddit
Miller and Carter. When I first went about 5 years ago I thought it was great, now it feels rushed and lacking quality
Former_Wang_owner@reddit
It's always been crap. My mate sums it up best with "it's where scaffolders take their missus when they are I the dog house." He's a brickie before anyone calls him elitist.
BB0ySnakeDogG@reddit
Definitely has that "what working class people think is posh" vibe. Like leopard print and American fridge freezers.
I say that as a supermarket employee who likes Spoons food.
Wentzina_lifetime@reddit
As someone who works in a spoons kitchen. No you dont
Minimum_Leopard_2698@reddit
Who thinks leopard print is posh? I’ve always seen it as a rough council estate thing myself and feel like this is a much more common notion. Which is a shame because I bloody love it as a pattern, thankfully it came back into fashion in a much more understated way
GingerMaus@reddit
They say only punks and prostitutes wear leopard print
Minimum_Leopard_2698@reddit
I’m going to go with “I’m a punk” in that case haha
Does that make me cool now? Yours sincerely, 36F, member of Dull Women group online
GingerMaus@reddit
Yes it does lol. Dw I'm 35f and part of the humourless women's society. We have tshirts.
Minimum_Leopard_2698@reddit
I always knew deep down I was cool! Haha
Love that you have t shirts, pls wear with absolute pride
trefle81@reddit
Oh my goodness you've all summed up Miller and Carter perfectly in my view. It's exactly that. Guys in too-tight short-sleeve Lambretta shirts and a shit 'HMRC work vehicle' Ford Ranger with a Deranged body kit parked outside.
LochNessMother@reddit
Don’t come after American fridge freezers! We got a side by side when we redid our kitchen and I love it.
BB0ySnakeDogG@reddit
Depends where they are mate, I used to deliver them for the company that ruined Blitzkreig Bop and the amount I'd cram into council or ex-council houses that took up half the kitchen was insane.
In a big open plan kitchen they look brilliant but in a small one, on tick, it looks tacky.
ComplexApart6424@reddit
Them using that song drives me mad
Former_Wang_owner@reddit
There are few things I will judge people for, but admitting to enjoying Wetherspoons food is definitely one of them. Sorry.
BB0ySnakeDogG@reddit
Cheap, consistent. Will always choose it if I'm in an unfamiliar place. It's not haute cuisine by any stretch but there's comfort in familiarity.
Former_Wang_owner@reddit
I ate it a lot when I worked away, mainly because it is cheap and it's acceptable to get laddered any day of the week in spoons
Former_Wang_owner@reddit
*bladdered
pajamakitten@reddit
Laddered works too. You can use any noun to mean drunk in the UK.
No-Mechanic6069@reddit
Laddered is an adjective. Are you bejongled ?
Former_Wang_owner@reddit
I refuse to accept that. Laddered, for instance, just doesn't work.
Chihiro1977@reddit
How can you possibly slag off anywhere else then say you like Wetherspoons? I despair of this sub.
BB0ySnakeDogG@reddit
Price is a factor here. If you want derivative of Spoons but more expensive then by all means.
paupaupaupaup@reddit
The owner is a horrible fuck though.
sshiverandshake@reddit
My bank balance couldn't care less about what the owner is like.
barrythecook@reddit
Tbf the breakfast muffin deal with the coffee for 2 quid something is pretty reasonable since it's literally cheaper then the Greg's equivalent and unlimited not particularly good coffee.
Former_Wang_owner@reddit
And you can have a swift half while you're at it
VictorAnichebend@reddit
Spoons’ food is good for what it is; something to line your stomach when you’re out on the piss. It’s not going to win any Michelin stars but you know what you’re getting. Their spicy meat feast pizza is genuinely better than some pizzas I’ve had in Italian restaurants as well.
slatecoaster@reddit
The Michael Kors of restaurants
Former_Wang_owner@reddit
Exactly
FulaniLovinCriminal@reddit
Yep. Went there once, under our table was an entire portion of wedge salad - a quarter of an iceberg lettuce, covered in dressing. Next to it, a menu, and a salt shaker.
When I told the waitress, she seemed unphased. She came back with our drinks and made no motion to begin clearing it up, so we moved tables.
Our new waitress was completely oblivious, and we saw the old one just seat another family at our old table about 15 minutes later, having not cleared anything up.
FunMathematician4638@reddit
It’s been good most places I’ve been to on work, I always go for a medium rare ribeye though, not sure about anything else
daz1987@reddit
Yep. My local Miller & Carter is terrible, yet everyone raves about it, when there's an independent steakhouse 2 miles down the road that absolutely blows it away, yet it's hardly spoken about.
Alarming-Bear-6614@reddit
Have to agree with this, we have a fantastic local steak restaurant where we go regularly and thought we would try Miller and Carter for a change. Big mistake, clearly microwaved starters and the quality of the steak was awful. Worked out more expensive than our usual restaurant so we’ll never go back.
Alaskan_Pipeline666@reddit
I was really pissed when I recently ordered the Banoffee Cheesecake. Somewhere in between the 1st time I had one from M&C and falling in love and the 2nd time expecting a repeat of heaven, they stripped out the decent sugar and replaced with fucking garbage chemicals.
Awful stuff now.
WhatYouLeaveBehind@reddit
It's just Harvester for steak
publiusnaso@reddit
I went to a Harvester for the first time in decades recently and I was very impressed. Decent steak, salad and three Pepsi maxes for £26 inc tip. Much better than I remember it being years ago.
WhatYouLeaveBehind@reddit
They don't do the build-your-own-breakfast anymore, so it's dead to me.
811545b2-4ff7-4041@reddit
At least Harvesters knows what it is, and isn't pretending to be anything better or worse.
mantolwen@reddit
Thanks for helping me decide where to not eat this evening.
g00gleb00gle@reddit
Miller is dependant on location and how busy it is on quality levels
FrenzalStark@reddit
There’s 2 near me. One has consistently awesome service but average food, the other consistently amazing food but shit service.
silly_man1782@reddit
Which ones are they?
FrenzalStark@reddit
Newcastle/Gosforth.
wykniv@reddit
I can't work out which is which as I've only been to the Newcastle one and the service was shit and the food wasn't brilliant.
KirbyWarrior12@reddit
I feel like having a wide variation in the quality of the food kind of defeats the purpose of a chain restaurant. Consistently mediocre is what I'd expect from a brand with a standardised menu like that.
Pr0letariapricot@reddit
yeah Manchester one is pretty good tbf
vientianna@reddit
It’s still ok, it’s just not anywhere near the same quality as it used to be
Only_Quote_Simpsons@reddit
I sell cars or work for ma father, once a month I go Miller and Carter, £20 steak and a flatbread starter 🎶
stanagetocurbar@reddit
Think it'll be £30 these days 😉
Kitchen_Owl_8518@reddit
haha I know the exact song you are quoting but can't remember the name!
Only_Quote_Simpsons@reddit
Deanomania!
theivoryserf@reddit
Beanstalk is the Jonathan Swift of our time
Sasshole44@reddit
Big up beanstalk.
Big-Advertising-5366@reddit
Sans Beanstalk is a National Treasure
meesterdave@reddit
Beanstalk baby
vientianna@reddit
You’ve quoted someone other than the Simpsons there!
boyezzz@reddit
Interesting. I was 16 when I first went to Miller and Carter and remember it as one of the best meals I’ve ever had, I’ve written it off as just being because I hadn’t been to a genuinely excellent steakhouse to compare it to at the time but maybe it did just used to be a lot better.
Chihiro1977@reddit
I wouldn't take any of this seriously. Tye same people saying Miller and Carter is shite are Weatherspoons fans.
saccerzd@reddit
Nope, I regard both of them as crap.
Bozzaholic@reddit
If you ever want good steak and you get the chance, I’d recommend the steakhouse in the Hippodrome casino in Leicester Square, probably the best steak I’ve ever eaten in there
Minimum_Possibility6@reddit
Having worked a M&B head office COVID absolutely destroyed any sense of quality left on the business.
There were some real good things before with their new at the time chef training centre, their premium beef sourcing program for Miller & Carter PCP and Vintage Inns.
The conditions of the financing to keep the afloat destroyed a lot of the good they did. Not worked there for a good few years now but it's a shame what it became
Red-Rum-7140@reddit
There were some quality innovations, also a lot of empty platitudes towards frontline staff, even pre-covid. Things went noticeably downhill over the 10 or so years I worked there; all the so called support for chefs working silly hours when short-staffed, in insanely hot kitchens in summer, like take breaks, stay hydrated, went out of the window when it meant slightly slower service times and complaining guests. 'Eat out to help out' left us completely fucked over and it was just crickets coming out of head office. So many GM's have had mental health problems, despite the widely touted "we are mental health first aiders and are here for you bs), utterly unsurprisingly given the ridiculous constraints on staffing and budgets, where they were expected to make up all the hours cut from the budgets. Fresh food quality coming in was increasingly poor. No wonder people's experiences are following suit
Informal-Method-5401@reddit
Worked as a GM for PCP, when it first became part of M&B. Think it was VPK back then. Did a few years with M&B but you could see the cost cutting even pre-Covid. All M&B premium brands are style over substance
Minimum_Possibility6@reddit
That would have been before my time. But at head office even at the turn of the decade you had people who cared about the quality, most of the crew that I knew were actually decent headed down the road to work at Banks/Marston's although they seem to be going through a huge restructure now
HELJ4@reddit
I went for the first time recently and the service and décor was very Harvester.
We enjoyed the food 🙂
87red@reddit
My local M&C was previously a Harvester. Had a 50% uber eats voucher recently that worked on M&C, had a huge steak meal delivered for like £15. Was pretty good, I didn't think that a steak would travel well but I live about 2 minutes away from the restaurant.
jade333@reddit
That's because they are owned by the same company.
HELJ4@reddit
That would explain it!
binkstagram@reddit
https://www.mbplc.com/our-brands/ they all have something in common that I can't quite put my finger on
MorningToast@reddit
Their village and PCP branded sites can be decent but became pricey post lockdown. Miller and Carter I've just never understood, the decor confuses me and I can't figure out where they want to sit in the market.
I've visited upwards of 90 MAB kitchens for work and cleanliness comes down to culture at the specific site. Some "upper market" pubs are absolutely grim and some of the lower end ones are spotless. There's a sizzling pub near our house that is so damn clean and well run it's confusing. I like to slip in amongst all the nans and toothless gentlemen and enjoy a lunch from time to time.
Constant_Order_8209@reddit
The one in centertainment Sheffield is literally an old Harvester which backs this up
PissedBadger@reddit
That harvester closed because they had a kitchen fire.
TerminalJunk@reddit
Old enough to remember Harvester from the late 90's & early 00's, back then the local one actually had an old time vibe about it. Lots of wood panels, farm equipment on the wall / hung from the ceiling etc. and was a pretty nice place to be in.
Went to a different one about 5 years ago and it was just like any chain restaurant with a generic decor and menu more or less the same as the local boozer but twice the price.
Mouse2662@reddit
Gloucester too!
Marsmanic@reddit
Nothing like unwinding for a nice meal at Centertainmemt after taking 25 minutes to find a parking space.
djmonsta@reddit
The one near me literally was a Harvester, closed for a refurb and reopened as a M&C. Same parent company so yeah.
NICKWILKES@reddit
I found that Harvester has gone way more expensive suddenly. Still nice, but pricey.
tonification@reddit
Most of them used to be Harvesters and to be honest I'd prefer it if my local one still was.
MarketingUnusual4945@reddit
Been to Miller and Carter this evening with the in laws. Food was nice but service very poor. We only had mains but they brought out the salad wedges as a starter and we didn't get the steaks for another 40 mins 😂 was very strange.
I like the place but do agree that it's what working class perceive as posh (I am working class!). You always see the trades people in there thinking they're fucking CEO's with their beauty therapist missus.
thecaseace@reddit
salad... wedges?
jessgrohl96@reddit
I think it depends on the location - I have one with average food and average service nearby, and one which is a lot busier but the food is much better (although the service a bit worse). Beef dripping sauce still slaps regardless
Captain-Redman@reddit
The one in Manchester is dreadful. Heard loads of good reviews. It’s dated, dirty and the quality of food was worse than the little chef
Warriorz7@reddit
At full price but I think the lunch deal is decent. 2 courses £17.
International-Bat777@reddit
Hi, my name is Gemma, I'll be your steak expert tonight. Just fuck off now.
Footprints123@reddit
I agree. About 15 years ago it was decent, now it's...meh.
i22o@reddit
Just for balance I think it's lovely, never had a bad meal from there.
vientianna@reddit
Not bad, just not as good as it once was
byjimini@reddit
Ah that’s a shame. Been a few times as my wife’s old workplace supplied the steaks, we’ve always enjoyed it.
Only thing weird is they insist on a dress code but I’ve never seen it enforced. We turned up in smart clothes and were surrounded by sports tops and shorts.
The_SaintXVI@reddit
I went there in June for the first time and it's not worth the hype people give it, I got a better steak in a local independent Italians for less money
shadowking432@reddit
Must of really fell off cos I've never even heard of the place lol.
vientianna@reddit
Started off as a middle class steak restaurant
TransatlanticMadame@reddit
Well the Lakeside location definitely sank - Lakeside's Miller and Carter restaurant becoming 'eyesore' | Echo (echo-news.co.uk) . Fortunately no one was hurt.
l0stlabyrinth@reddit
Given how stingy they are with maintenance at Lakeside in general, I'm not particularly surprised the boat sank.
Everytime I go there there's at least one escalator or lift that's out of service, often long-term too.
T33FMEISTER@reddit
Yeah I agree with this. It used to be incredible when it first came out.
Always loved it, thought it was great value for the food and experience.
Nowadays it's nowhere near as good quality as it was and I always end up feeling a bit ripped off.
NowtInteresting@reddit
I think McDonadls, it’s depressing now. It used to be cheaper than cheap. It was the place to go for a treat, a £1.99 kids meal with a toy, an hour in the play area while your mum had a couple of fags watching you. (I don’t miss the fag part). When I was 18ish, I used to go in and get a meal for no more than £3.50. It was decent and filled you up. Now you’re spending £7.99+ and you’re hungry half an hour later. The food is terrible, it’s all thrown together and I haven’t had warm chips since 2009.
Captain_Snaffles@reddit
Reading the replies, I think the answer is ‘All of them’.
Playful-Toe-01@reddit
Yep, absolutely this! I hadn't really thought about it before but reading through these replies has made me realise there isn't a single decent chain out there. None that spring to mind anyways
Random_Nobody1991@reddit
This is what happens when you let the Finance Director make all the decisions.
Captain_Snaffles@reddit
Couldn’t agree more. It’s funny how few people see that this is so often the case.
Random_Nobody1991@reddit
I work in finance in the public sector and see this obsession with cost cutting all the time. I imagine it’s even more ruthless in the private sector at every level.
Captain_Snaffles@reddit
Private sector here…”Do more with less” is literally, verbatim, something I’ve been told, by people who are only interested in their bonus. I don’t get a bonus but I do get bollocked when shit goes tits up.
tmr89@reddit
Not Honest Burger
katyaboid@reddit
Honest Burger has definitely got worse. We loved this chain, portion sizes are now half of what they used to be, chips are much worse, bread is different. We stopped going there altogether. Yet to find our favourite burgers place again. Healthier this way, I guess.
tmr89@reddit
There’s no way portion sizes are half what they used to be. My plate was overflowing with chips and the burgers were just as big as any other burger chain
katyaboid@reddit
Could it be dependant on the location then? I remember a huge disappointment a couple of times before we dropped it.
Where is the one you think is good? My experiences are from London - Finsbury park and Bishopsgate.
jewbo23@reddit
Compared to most of the companies mentioned, Honest Burger is still pretty young. So maybe we just have to give them time.
tdrules@reddit
Once they start opening outside of big cities every chain goes to shit so will follow Honest’s openings.
SingularLattice@reddit
My local Honest Burger closed.
My disappointment gave way to joy when I learned that the bacon gravy is super easy to make. You’ve not lived until you’ve drenched your toad in the hole with the stuff.
https://www.honestburgers.co.uk/news/recipes/beef-bacon-gravy/
Optimal_Influence_64@reddit
Came here to say the same I honestly can not name one chain that has got better over the years skyrocketing prices and down grading all around hence greggs now being seen as not that bad
A-Pint-Of-Tennents@reddit
Suspect the whole model has sort of fallen on its arse a bit. With inflation a lot of them have no option but to increase prices. But at a certain point I imagine some families just stop going for the cheaper, more basic meals out, since they're no longer affordable, and just save up for a proper restaurant meal down the line.
McDonald's still thriving evidently though, the one that'll always buck the trend.
Captain_Snaffles@reddit
This is exactly what we do, used to get a takeaway or eat in at chain-type places a couple of times a month; now it’s eat out somewhere decent once every couple of months. Fortunately the mrs and I like cooking so we’re not foregoing decent grub, but the times of grabbing a maccies ‘cos we can’t be arsed have long gone.
Grabs39@reddit
TGI Fridays. It used to be amazing but started going downhill about the time they lost the licence for Jack Daniel’s sauce. The food is now poor, and most of the restaurants are very run down. It’s sadly not surprising how badly the company is doing.
Playful-Toe-01@reddit
I've never ever understood the hype about TGI's. I only ever went about 3 or 4 times in the 2010s and every single time, it was terrible.
I'm genuinely surprised they didn't go down earlier.
Anandya@reddit
I have been recently because it's a good space for kids.
The issue is that the British Palate has changed. There are better burgers out there and it's a packed market. They charge Five Guys money for burgers that are take away level "okay". There's umpteen burger places that are cheaper and have better offerings. Part of what helps five guys is that they specifically state that the flavour is not standardised. They are proud of that. It's a sign of how good their burgers are. The ingredient variations speak for themselves. Fridays? Have to freeze their meat. The McD limitation.
The big issue is that in keeping to a 90s style menu the quality drops and the wastage is high.
Moonjellylilac@reddit
Perhaps you want to look into five guys being kosher and how they slaughter animals. It’s savage and barbaric.
Anandya@reddit
I don't think they are Kosher. Remember, cheese burgers are not kosher.
diditforthemonet@reddit
always used to hear people go on about going to tgi fridays in the 2000s, but there was never one near me! I went to one in stockholm the other year and thought it was pretty crap, was bewildered by the hype. makes more sense to hear it’s generally gone downhill
Randomn355@reddit
Even 10 years ago it wasn't that great.
The portions were just really big.
fussyfella@reddit
I only really remember TFI Fridays being good for 3 or 4 years after they appeared, then they went downhill rapidly - which was decades ago!
Fit_Faithlessness637@reddit
I only went to one for the first time about 2022 everything in there was sticky and the food? It’s extremely apparent it’s right out the freezer wasn’t even up to Wetherspoons standard very sub par for the price
NorthernOverthinker@reddit
I can remember TGI’s in its prime and it was honestly a real treat to eat there.
I went last year for the first time in 10+ years and couldn’t believe the difference. The biggest issue for me were the portion sizes. I went with my husband and we both ordered burgers from the main menu and both were served on what I can only describe as starter plates. So small.
The burgers were just average (we’ve had nicer at Five Guys) and it was literally just a handful of chips. £16 per meal and we both left still hungry and stopped off at Greggs on the way home. 🤷🏼♀️
richkeogh@reddit
I immediately thought of Fridays. it used to be THE birthday party destination amongst my age group. I went back probably 8-10 years ago with my kids, I was really excited to take them as I'd had such fond memories of the place, but i was shocked at how bad it was. food was very poor quality, and the whole place was very run down and dirty. my overriding memory was a squashed piece of broccoli in between 2 pages in the menu
EscapedSmoggy@reddit
They've got a lot of dodgy employment practices too.
Izwe@reddit
Once they stopped doing the sizzling chicken we were done.
Adcro@reddit
It used to be a special occasion place, felt impressive and cool, and the food was great. Now the food is mediocre and in smaller portions, the atmosphere is hugely dulled, and the prices are insane.
SailorsGraves@reddit
Having said that, if you're ever hungover in Manchester Piccadilly it's an absolute god send that they have one in the station
madpiano@reddit
They've gone bust 2 weeks ago. D&D bought some of the restaurants (how that goes with their other portfolio has me scratching my head, they own Coq D'Argent, Quaglinos etc) but 35 restaurants will go.
Flea-Surgeon@reddit
Yeah, I remember them being great when they started! The last time I went in one, after years of never seeing one anywhere, it was attached to a cheap hotel chain, (maybe Travelodge?), and I popped in for a quick cocktail before a gig. It was laughably awful lol
Phinbart@reddit
Went to the one in Durham last December, after spending months waiting for an opportunity to finally visit.
The place was dead; we were the only ones in for the most part, and it wasn't even that early in the evening. Complicated AF menu, as well as expensive... I'd never go back (although I suspect - as someone who doesn't drink much alcohol/can't ever really go on a 'night out' due to transport constraints - I was never part of their desired clientele anyway).
Ruu2D2@reddit
It use to be one of only place you could get good cocktails with meal
Know everywhere upgame and even small business got better cocktails
Shep_vas_Normandy@reddit
It’s so overpriced too for what you get - the food is such bad quality and you get the same bill you’d expect from a posh restaurant.
MeanCustardCreme@reddit
I use to love TGI Fridays. It was expensive at the time but had a good atmosphere for birthdays, with he American style food, cocktails, service. It seemed to tail off towards the end of the 2000s. Think last I went was around 2012 and it was absolutely awful. I mean, it was okay, edible, but I'd say it was worse in quality than Wetherspoons for double the price.
Shoddy-Teach9467@reddit
Nothing wrong with a weatherspoons these days
MeanCustardCreme@reddit
Yeah, I love Wetherspoons. But if they made the food worse then charged more than £20 for a main then it would be shit lol
Shoddy-Teach9467@reddit
Sorry mate, didn't realise that was the point you were making 🙂
MeanCustardCreme@reddit
Ha, no problem. The Wetherspoons grill is better than anything I had in TGI tbh!
Shoddy-Teach9467@reddit
Try the sausage and chips, better than cafe foods now that seem to have the same supplier.
MisterrTickle@reddit
They did do free coke refills, which as a kid in the '90s was amazing.
Chance-Albatross-211@reddit
Oh man, you’ve just reminded me of a night out where we started the night in TGI with a Flaming Lamborghini. Needless to say, I ended up pretty hammered, pretty early on!
Red_Splinter@reddit
I'm really surprised it was partially rescued from going under recently. Unless the new owners are going to do something drastic and renovate the surviving restaurants and review the menu's offerings and prices I only see it as a delay to it being closed for good
lechef@reddit
Wahaca. Was good for the money around 2010, started to nosedive into "well that's shit for the money" a few years later. Never been back.
Solitairee@reddit
TGI Fridays. Truly horrendous
DoubleReveal8794@reddit
Chiquito's, they were so popular in my late teens and then suddenly they had all but disappeared 😭
No-Cost-8036@reddit
Chiquitos has severely dropped their standards, used to be fresh cooked everything. Now it tastes like microwave Iceland food.
Reignbeaus@reddit
Pizza Hut used to be a real treat to go for a sit in meal when I was a teenager, now it tends to be dirty and overpriced with mediocre food.
El_Scot@reddit
Yeah, Pizza Hut have really changed things up recently, and not for the better. The decor is a bit Pizza Planet, and the order process is all about minimising need for staff, which makes it less friendly too.
boddle88@reddit
Lunch buffet still awesome
guildazoid@reddit
In 6th form we had the pizza hut all you can eat challenge. We would go and see who could eat the most in one buffet sitting. The most ever recorded was 22 slices. I fucked up as wanted salady bits.
Pro tip...get salad bar first as the weird general public tend to try before they load by literally putting the e.g. sweet corn spoon in their mouth then put back into the dish. Witnessed and now struggle with the buffet. Unfortunately
Aromatic_Recover2358@reddit
I believe 24 slices was our record. Happy days.
No-Cost-1045@reddit
22 slices is rookie numbers
guildazoid@reddit
With crust TBF to him.
Appropriate-Wasabi94@reddit
Ah yes, the sixth form pizza hut buffet challenge. We had one too! Great days!
Pretend-Treacle-4596@reddit
Same! Seem to remember it wasn't expensive either, around 7 quid I think?
AlwaysQuotesEinstein@reddit
I used to work at Pizza Hut and had to tell a grown man who was with his kids to stop eating the tortilla chips out of the salad bar with his bare hands. This was post covid
YorkshirePuddingScot@reddit
I see you're an old Draxonian. We did that on a fateful trip to London circa 2010
mark-smallboy@reddit
Pro tip don't eat salad or pizza crust at a buffet, gotta maximise value!
throwaway_t6788@reddit
yuck.. people have no manners..
sophosoftcat@reddit
As a former Hut waitress in the 00s- this doesn’t surprise me. They really HATED paying staff, it was a very predatory employer. I learnt a lot about U.K. labour law from the illegal things they’d do.
TheSecretIsMarmite@reddit
They got rid of all the tuna and prawn toppings on their pizzas and replaced them with vegan toppings that taste like cardboard. That was enough for me to decide no more.
TangerineFew6830@reddit
Last time i went there they asked for a tip, for what exactly i dont know … it was a buffet
El_Scot@reddit
They asked for a tip when we ordered, so 3 minutes after walking in the door.
elyterit@reddit
I had Pizza Hut in Cyprus last year. It was as good as it used to be here. Tasted so much better than what we have now. It was cheaper too.
Cutting costs and corners everywhere in the UK to try make money and it just means no one goes. Genius.
Denziloshamen@reddit
They all had to shut down in my area. Priced themselves so high and quality was so poor, as you say, everyone literally stopped going. When the lunch buffet was £7.99 each, that was their prime value time, and they were packed out the door every day.
D5LLD@reddit
I stopped going after they removed the Philli Cheesesteak pizza from the menu. It was the only pizza worth having and it was top tier.
Capital_Punisher@reddit
Fun fact, Pizza Hut used to be the largest global buyer of Kale. They didn't serve any of it as food though, it was decoration on the salad bar
maxscarletto@reddit
Pizza Hut is the Starbucks of pizza
WhatYouLeaveBehind@reddit
The only good thing about Pizza Hut was the lunch buffet
TheGoober87@reddit
*is
throwaway_t6788@reddit
wonder how much is it now?
TheGoober87@reddit
I went during the week last month and it was 16.99 which included unlimited drinks and an ice cream.
I think it's a bit more at weekends, but not bad value really considering how expensive everything is these days.
jamnut@reddit
About 17 quid with the ice cream and drinks. Aim for 17 slices and a couple of drinks and you're quids in
karmakollapse@reddit
It's not just that PizzaHut has dropped in quality... it's that it's dropped in quality multiple times.
It was fantastic in the '80s/'90s, maybe childhood nostalgia goggles, but it was definitely very good.
'00s... I mean it was still pretty good, but even then I remember people saying it dropped in quality since it's heyday (from responsible, non-nostalgia driven adults)
'10s... definitely worse, but still a reasonable take away option.
Last time I had pizza hut was last year and it was disgusting.
And take away pizza in general seems to be on a major decline, whilst good neoplitan seems on the rise?
The_Nunnster@reddit
I’m still mourning the loss of the pasta at the salad bar
WealthMain2987@reddit
The buffet was great when I was in uni. I think fiver all you can eat with salad
jewbo23@reddit
Without a doubt it’s Pizza Hit for me. I took my daughter in the 6 weeks holiday, first time I’ve been in years outside of the buffet deal and was so astounded by the prices that I didn’t order anything for myself and just ate the crusts my daughter left. They want £3.45 for a can of cream soda. You also can’t order with a human, you have to do it via that app which is fine for me but I can see many not getting on with it. And to top it off, I had a look around at one point and it seemed they were staffed with literal children. I’m sure they all had to be at least 16, but one lad looked legitimately 12 years old. I don’t think I’ll ever go back.
Known_Weird7208@reddit
Living out in the sticks we don't have a pizza hut near by. Haven't had one for years. Got two local Dominoes though. Had a pizza hut in Prague recently, Thought it was pretty and looking to Try it in the UK again when I get near one.
PatientlyAnxious9@reddit
Their dough is the worst dough I've ever eaten on a pizza, including frozen pizzas. It has zero flavor and tastes like synthetic plastic/cardboard blend.
I got it a few months ago for shits and giggles, and shortly realized why their pizzas are $6. Leave Pizza Hut as a childhood memory.
RipExpress3054@reddit
We tried to go recently and the cost of the pizza alone, it was working out so much cheaper just to take away. I feel so sorry for their staff there’s no atmosphere at all.
3lementZer0@reddit
I went there about a year ago and there was a family of about 6 sat at a table, the youngest lad about 10 years old sat on a gaming laptop with his headset on playing Fortnite. I know it's nothing to do with Pizza Hut but it felt very indicative of the chaos of the place at the time.
pip_goes_pop@reddit
Prices are insane there. £30+ for a pizza for 2 people.
riotlady@reddit
Yes! Pizza Hut was always that reasonably affordable place you’d go with your mates/family after the cinema, decent enough and everyone likes it. Now it’s ridiculously overpriced
WarmTransportation35@reddit
That's what it was always like or reliable food for a party. Now people prefer eating Italian style pizzas at restaurants and their delivery menu is too expensive.
Siriuslymarauding@reddit
I was so upset when I went to Pizza Hut with my girls and they don’t have Parmesan cheese and chilli flake shakers any more!!
Inevitable-Key3788@reddit
The ice cream machine with all the toppings!
durtibrizzle@reddit
I agree with Yo! Sushi. I would say Cafe Rouge too…maybe I’ve just got better taste now but when I was at uni it seemed pretty good; now it’s bad.
Browns is another one that used to be consistently decent and is now wildly variable.
Even Cote is not as consistent as it once was.
I think it’s just cyclical - restaurants can’t be good forever
armtherabbits@reddit
Bill's.
From upmarket, interesting, healthy food to generic fast food that requires no chef and few cooked to order components, all in the course of a couple of years once they sold out.
I don't blame them for making money -- but I don't eat there any more.
elsbelsboo@reddit
Was looking for this comment. I really enjoyed it when it first opened and had plenty of family meals there, but now it is just overpriced underwhelming food . A lot of my local ones are shutting down
SuperSpidey374@reddit
Franco Manca’s service has gone downhill. Food still great though.
KittenFunk@reddit
Franco Manky pizza is a collective delirium. I like topping on my pizza. Yes, it's cheap, but you're paying for mostly dough.
AussieHxC@reddit
Food is not great.
Tried their pizza once as it looked like the right kind of thing but sadly it's terrible mass produced crap. There is no skill or care put into it.
thetapeworm@reddit
I've only been once, they didn't put any of the "creamy dressing" the menu advertised on the salad that was ordered, I asked a waiter to check, he came back 5 minutes later after speaking to the "chef" and said it had dressing, at best it was juice from the tuna.
So I asked if I could have some dressing to put on myself, minutes later a really angry "chef" came to the table with a face like thunder and shouted "I hear you want MORE dressing" and slammed a tiny jug of it on the table before storming off.
It was pretty obvious there was no dressing on there, it wasn't a big deal to begin with, now it's a story I'll tell anyone that will listen and a place I'll never to back to despite the pizza being quite nice.
Alexthemessiah@reddit
In some branches the food has gone downhill too.
GunstarGreen@reddit
I'll agree with Yo!, but in my opinion it's Patisserie Valerie. Used to be genuinely nice, but the last time I tried it I swear it was no better than something you could get from your local Cafe Nero.
KittenFunk@reddit
To me Cafe Nero has always been superior (better than other café chains). PatVal cakes are 80% cream and the 20% of actual cake is always dry. They do a decent pot of tea for a decent price, though.
rabbles-of-roses@reddit (OP)
as a kid I used to think that Patisserie Valerie was a really posh place
Pretend-Treacle-4596@reddit
It is, isn't it...?
CooroSnowFox@reddit
Cakes and Sandwiches shop that wasn't bakers oven or Greggs... it did have that vibe... only ever have been to one once...
Kitchner@reddit
PV was subject to a crazy accounting scandal and rushed into administration and nearly all collapsed. The ones that are left aren't really being run strategically from what I understand
GunstarGreen@reddit
Yeah but I noticed the dropoff even before that crisis. I feel like they're related though - they overexpanded far too quickly, and they cut corners in quality
Kitchner@reddit
Well they had like millions of pounds as a blackhole that the CFO was covering up with secret bank accounts, so I would suggest they were probably very closely linked!
InJaaaammmmm@reddit
Sounds like a good bit of gossip. I hope he was spending the money on jetskis for his extended family.
Kitchner@reddit
It isn't gossip, this was uncovered by the administrators when PV went into administration and they went through the accounts. It's a matter of record now!
For what it's worth I don't actually think it was embezzlement. I think it was more like they weren't making enough money, so he opened up a secret account with an overdraft to effectively secretly take on debt to keep the business afloat.
It's like your postman not delivering all their letters and just dropping some off in a hidden place with every intention to deliver them tomorrow. But there's no time tomorrow so they drop more off. Eventually it's unavoidable that your post man's locker is overflowing with letters and someone notices.
InJaaaammmmm@reddit
He kind of sounds like a dumbass. It's so easy refinance shit and keep it all above board. If you've got significant case flow problems that could mean you're near closing down, it's not worth risking prison to paper over the cracks.
Kitchner@reddit
I suspect they couldn't get access to the credit they needed at short notice or something because the company's performance was that bad so he did that always planning to go back and fix it but never did. The auditors rightly got panned because this should be the easiest thing in the world to spot when someone has just magicked up money out of thin air and it's not a debt or a sale.
InJaaaammmmm@reddit
Fair enough. If the bank won't extend your line of credit (though any normal company would have a preexisting agreement to lines of credit), then it soon goes belly up.
Kitchner@reddit
Exactly, though I don't know if it was literally "Fraud or bankruptcy" but at the very minimum it was "Fraud or very poor financial performance".
Ryanthelion1@reddit
Ironically I used to treat myself to a strawberry slice from PV when visiting the auditors when dropping some bits off as it was next door
twisted_twiglet@reddit
Worked at PV in like mid 2010s. It looked nice but EVERYTHING was made in a factory in Birmingham, frozen and then defrosted on site. All of those ‘fresh’ pastries we’d bring out were only warm cos they’d just been in the microwave. The chef also let two pigeons hang out in the kitchen, they were called Peter and Marie.
TheMadHistorian1@reddit
I actually like Caffè Nero's cakes lol
WealthMain2987@reddit
I fee like patisserie Valerie was nice like 10 years ago but they are like supermarket cakes now.
MusePlease@reddit
i must be out of touch but i thought patisserie valerie was just the sainsburys dessert isle lol
Vyvyansmum@reddit
Our branch shut down & had received some appalling reviews & 1* hygiene ratings. We now have a Boswells in its place.
niallniallniall@reddit
Yo! still uses the conveyor belts in Glasgow. Agree re price though, without Blue Light discount I probably wouldn't go as often.
DenzelSloshington@reddit
I used to enjoy watching the mice in the window running over the cakes at night on my drunk walks to the tube from being out central
simplytom_1@reddit
Nandos was never really that amazing, but it's definitely a lot worse now
Felgrand3189@reddit
This is a shame to hear. I've never been to a Nandos (Feel like the only one who hasn't) still worth a try or avoidable?
paperandcard@reddit
Nor me - never seemed like a place i’d want to try.
Felgrand3189@reddit
I’ve wanted to try it, just never actually had the opportunity to go. Not one near me.
susususero@reddit
I might be going against the Reddit zeitgeist here but I'd say it's still worth a try.
The chicken remains unique in the chain food industry, it's pretty tasty and nicely seasoned at the higher spice levels. The experience, with music and bottomless drinks, is also a bit nicer and more relaxed than many other chains (thinking TGIs and others at the price point).
It's not winning prizes, but then nothing should be aiming for that at this level. But for a guy with a relatively small-town upbringing, Nandos is a refreshing change from the shitty pies, burger and Sunday roast you'd get at pubs or the pizza and pasta of Italian chains.
aR2wo@reddit
For a place that almost exclusively specialises on chicken, the veggie options are actually pretty decent too imo
sangreblue@reddit
I can confirm. It's still good 👍
Spid1@reddit
Nando's seems the same as it was around 15+ years for me, just a few quid more. The portion sizes are still good, the food is decent, and whichever town you have it in it will taste exactly the same.
It's not amazing but for £15 it's a safe option for me.
Nartyn@reddit
If it's £15 you can much much nicer options.
Spid1@reddit
Like?
Nartyn@reddit
Depends where you live mate. I don't know what types of restaurants are around you do I.
Going to chains in general is always going for lower quality food over going local.
Spid1@reddit
Well exactly. That's my point. If you go somewhere unfamiliar and want something reliable then nandos is a safe option.
I've had it once in my home town in 6-7 years but I've had it multiple times when I've been out of town and wanting something to eat
Ryanthelion1@reddit
I like the think of it as the McDonald's of sit in restaurants, half a chicken and 2 sides is £15 can't really argue with that
Nartyn@reddit
There's so many peri peri chicken restaurants nowadays. There's 3 different ones along a road in my city.
Free refills on soda isn't a good thing, it's just a fat person thing.
susususero@reddit
If I'm there for an hour eating spicy food, a couple of refills are quite appreciated. I'd be ordering two drinks anyway so not having to wait to order my second is a real benefit, not 'just a fat person thing'. (what a nasty thing to say).
There may be more peri chicken restaurants now, but Nandos are by far the biggest chain doing this, if not only chain to my knowledge.
sc00022@reddit
It’s still the same as it’s always been. You might just get slightly smaller portion sizes than 10 years ago. People on Reddit just love to hate what’s popular.
b0bscene@reddit
It all seems the same to me, just a lot more expensive.
matomo23@reddit
Inflation though.
Sweaty_Leg_3646@reddit
That's called inflation. Things get more expensive over time.
matomo23@reddit
Ignore Reddit. It hasn’t changed.
It’s as good as it always was, I rate it for a large chain.
MateoKovashit@reddit
People got a hard on to hate it due to the cheeky nandos hype a decade ago.
Teens, chavs, cretins used to buzz over it. Now that's calmed down it's just a standard chicken place. Bit pricey but it's fast, it's nice, solid that each experience will be good.
absbabs1@reddit
All the people who loved it in the tens have grown up, have proper bills to pay and can’t afford a Nando’s now, or they can but they are smarter with their cash.
MateoKovashit@reddit
What no?
Social media had the "cheeky nandos" scrote vibe. Kids and wankers galore. That has gone now and it's just a decent chicken restaurant that serves quick and mostly nice food every time.
There's not much more to it, the "fun" of it died when social media stopped caring
Bilbo_Buggin@reddit
I still like Nando’s. I know it seems popular on here to dislike it but I’ve always liked it. Yes it’s got more expensive over the years but what hasn’t? Our local one has just had a refurbishment too so still seems to be doing well!
Sea_Coast9517@reddit
I think I'm an outlier on the UK subreddits, but I like Nando's. That said, there are at least three better and significantly cheaper independent peri-peri chicken places near me, so I only really ever get Nando's if I'm especially craving Nando's for some reason.
Hour-Salamander-4713@reddit
Yeah but the independent ones are likely not licenced and I like a glass of wine if I'm eating out.
Tasty-Explanation503@reddit
If you're after peri peri chicken, get pepes it's quality
Browbeaten92@reddit
I've never been into it and always thought it madly overpriced. But I went recently and it felt really affordable as prices hadn't seen the kind of inflation everything else has imho. £15 for a full meal is cheap these days!
sexy_meerkats@reddit
Dunno, I think nando's is pretty good. My problem with it is the price, £20 minimum when really I'd probably prefer a KFC
CooroSnowFox@reddit
It's just another brand, especially as I worked for them for 3 years... there was a buzz back in the '10s... and now it's just settled down from the days where it was a destination to eat at...
absurdmcman@reddit
Late 90s early 00s Nandos was where it was at. Remember going with our dad semi regularly as kids to the Camberwell one. Was great value for a family eating out.
fabulousteaparty@reddit
There is always a queue at the Trafford Centre though 😭 will never understand it
Mission_Phase_5749@reddit
It was undeniably better food 10 years ago though.
massdebate159@reddit
I've still never been to one. There are 4 of them in my town, but they've just never appealed to me. Am I missing out?
jlb8@reddit
I’ll maintain if you were a veggie when it first came out it was revolutionary. More than one choice while not being a hippy cafe was insane.
karmakollapse@reddit
As a veggie in 2014, it was amazing. I'd usually come out of the cinema on a lazy afternoon, grab nandos and then it'd be a 10 minute walk home where it was still warm. There was many, many choices - different patties, different formats, different sauces, different sides, different extras.
I had nandos last year, my favourite patty had gone and been replaced by something very much inferior. I really don't know why they switched.
jlb8@reddit
I remember having one in Ibiza in like 2005 at the Ibiza rocks bar (think it was called something else then) and it feeling really sophisticated 😂 but I had one this year and was really let down, it was even on the company card and I was still mad.
Deadened_ghosts@reddit
The only good one I've had was in Vancouver, Canada the day I got my permanent residence approved.
vshere32@reddit
Went there a few months ago.
Ate what seemed to be salt with some chicken to go alongside it.
rmeechan@reddit
Went to a Nando’s once that ran out of chicken. The experience was the last time I went (probably 2015).
Pen_dragons_pizza@reddit
I find it weird that the words ‘cheeky Nando’s’ basically catapulted a painfully average restaurant into top tier status when it had no right to be.
The food is just so painfully average yet people used to go several times a bloody week, and for what ? Grilled chicken and chips covered in a sauce they also sell in Tesco.
MiserableAttention38@reddit
I'm not a huge fan of chains but still like mcds and nandos. It was always a bit more expensive, but with a fast food model so you know how long the experience will be. Nandos then cinema is an easy date
Former_Intern_8271@reddit
The good thing about nandos is, the chicken has to be chicken, they can't really sacrifice quality with that.
But the sides have turned crap.
MacViller@reddit
I personally don't think the food is worse. I just think with inflation it has gone up into a different price bracket which changes expectations. I expect significantly more if I'm paying 18 quid for food compared to if I'm paying 12 quid.
pease_pudding@reddit
Nandos is ok, if a bit boring. But the prices have become stupid
10 quid for a thin chicken thigh, in a roll with some cheese and sauce. And thats before any sides
WarmTransportation35@reddit
I don't know if it's because I ate there so many times that I have gotten bored of the taste or if the novelty has worn off and it's not as great as it sounds.
My friend likes suggesting nandos because he said it's the only place you can reliably enjoy a good dinner.
MarketingUnusual4945@reddit
Been once. I expected to be wow'd as EVERYONE raved about it.
It's literally just chicken and chips 🤷♂️
Patient-Detail-4378@reddit
I think when I was in my teens it was ‘reasonably priced’ considering it was essentially fast food where you had the benefit of table service. It served it purpose near bowling alleys/cinemas. You couldn’t feed & water 2 people for less than £40 now and for chicken and chips that’s beyond insane.
iMac_Hunt@reddit
I admit I was a big nandos fan, but I rarely go anymore since it's suffered from both inflation and shitflation simultaneously. I've had some meals in the last couple years which were fine, but it's incredibly inconsistent and half the time the chicken is tiny and dry.
GNRevolution@reddit
How did it get worse? Last time I tried to go about 15 years ago I was told they were out of chicken. I've never bothered going back.
DesperateOven9854@reddit
It was good? When? I remember it being hyped to me in late 00's, and then getting something on par with a supermarket hot counter, and wondering why I was paying twice the price compared to KFC.
CooroSnowFox@reddit
You're paying for the experience and to be drowned in the look of the restaurant (and the loop of a few dozen songs played on a loop)
Just-Pepper5540@reddit
If it counts, Subway.
Vivian_I-Hate-You@reddit
I swear to God meatball marinara footlong for £5 was my early teenage survival food.
Now it's like £10+ for a sandwich and they're fucking stingey with the toppings
tmr89@reddit
Yeah, I don’t get why they’re stingy with the toppings. I understand it’s to cut costs, but the amount of veg that they skimp on costs a few pennies and it’s something that makes the customer (un)happy … greedy
purplepoaceae@reddit
The last subway I had, the girl genuinely weighed out my chicken portion on a little drug scale before adding it to the bread, I couldn't believe it
tmr89@reddit
In a way that’s better than when I’ve seen them put meat in the spoon, shake it so excess falls back in the tray, then put the lesser amount in the sub
-TheNormal1-@reddit
Also makes the customer less likely to come back…I asked for extra jalepenos and they said they put the recommended amount…I understand you have put in 6 jalapeños for the footlong but I asked for more…not been back since
Prudent_Poetry8601@reddit
Yeah I remember the fella in the queue in front of me ordering a salad bowl. He only wanted like lettuce peppers and cucumber in it, but when he asked for extra cucumber they said he'd have to pay extra. Coulda got all the other toppings for free, but they couldn't even throw on a few extra slices of cucumber to compensate. No common sense at all.
-TheNormal1-@reddit
That’s ridiculous never heard that before but wouldn’t be surprised. Their portion control is stupid and it’s gotten a lot worse
Theratchetnclank@reddit
Last time i went which is about 4 years ago now the chicken they put in my sandwich was still frozen. Never been back to a subway since. It's expensive and terrible.
paupaupaupaup@reddit
A guy working there told me he'd have to charge me extra to add any more onion to the few thin strands he'd already added to my sub. This was well over a decade ago, but to this day I still wish I'd told him I'd changed my mind about wanting the sub, as that would have cost them a lot more to bin than the extra few strands of onion would have cost.
-TheNormal1-@reddit
That’s genuinely crazy, salad is supposed to be’free’ I know a few people that worked there and they said that it’s 3 tomatoes, cucumbers, pickles, jalapeños and peppers per 6 inch. You can ask for more but obviously depends on which worker you get and how much of a jobsworth they sure
tmr89@reddit
Yeah I wouldn’t go back if that happened to me. (And I won’t go again anyway.)
-DoctorSpaceman-@reddit
Not defending them, but I’m sure the skimping on veg adds up to a significant amount. There’s a famous example from a couple of decades ago where American Airlines saved several tens of thousands of dollars a year by removing one single olive from their salads.
RadicalDog@reddit
Must be based on the store. I had one last week and it was positively overflowing with salad. Never had a bad experience with the sandwich itself there, just the silly above-inflation price rises.
Low-Cauliflower-5686@reddit
Because it's a franchise place, to make money for franchiseee.
Western-Mall5505@reddit
From what I've heard, people who own subway franchises are not doing well.
The clip I watched was from the USA, and there were no rules about how many subways could be set up in your area, and subway themselves were ripping the owner off.
Not sure if it's the same rules in the UK.
Consistent-Salary-35@reddit
The one in our town is awful. I can’t even describe the ambiance, but it’s approaching derelict. The staff and the food have just given up on life. God only knows what the backrooms are like.
TickingTiger@reddit
I agree
wildOldcheesecake@reddit
£5 for a footlong, drink and snack. I refuse to pay more than that
stinky-farter@reddit
Wait till you hear about inflation!
gavco98uk@reddit
Exactly this. Assuming 5% rate of inflation, then prices will double every 10 years. If it was £5 in 2012, then it should be £10 now.
If you look at your wages, you should (hopefully) see a similar pattern. You'll be earning double what you did in 2012.
Inflation can be confusing, and we all love a good rant at how prices have changed, but prices go up, and so do wages. As long as they do so at the same rate, we're no worse off.
Psyfuzz@reddit
Inflation has very rarely ran above 5pc within the U.K. over the last decade, with the BoE’s MPC generally having done a good job at keeping around the 2pc target rate.
Check the BoE inflation adjustment calculator. £5 in 2012 = £6.99 today, so Subway has still outpaced broader CPI.
wildOldcheesecake@reddit
Aye but you’ve got to ask yourself is it worth it. To me, subway is not worth it.
A-Pint-Of-Tennents@reddit
Aye the point of Subway specifically was that it was cheap for a really big sub. Once that's gone...what's the point? You can just make a sandwich yourself or go elsewhere and pay similar for better quality.
peanutthecacti@reddit
I remember it being £5 for just a footlong and drink, no snack, in 2012/13. We used to go at least once a week in college.
TonyBlairsDildo@reddit
Both would have cost roughly one hour of minimum wage. Inflation has warped people's intuitive expectation of prices.
2010: ~ £5/hr
2024: ~ £10.50/hr
Vivian_I-Hate-You@reddit
2024: ~ £11.Something/hr *
THE-HOARE@reddit
God I ate so many of them after a night out 😂. It was right by all the clubs and open till like 4 in the morning
zenithica@reddit
Yessss many fond memories of demolishing a bmt on the street half cut at 4am on a random Tuesday
guildazoid@reddit
We had one in one of our students union bars back in 2002ish.
Cabbagecatss@reddit
They’ve recently changed the recipe for the marinara sauce (tastes the same as the meat free one now) and it’s not the same 😭
OverlordOfTheBeans@reddit
I swear they changed the meatballs themselves, unless they accidentally gave me the vegan ones last time I had one... They tasted like they spilled a whole bucket of Italian herbs into them.
Cabbagecatss@reddit
I’ve been suspicious of getting the vegan ones so many times and I always ask and they assure me they are the meat ones! Yess way too herby now!
Devastating honestly as they were the best hangover food
Rusty_Tap@reddit
I dunno, I might have encountered a particularly high sandwich artist on my last visit. He put a good 15 quids worth of olives on. Had to pour most of them into the bin so it wasn't like chewing a mouthful of mud.
Raging-seb@reddit
I piping hot meatball marinara during a break in college on a cold winters day was absolute bliss back then
TheMrViper@reddit
Local and regional pricing is probably fucking you there.
throwaway_t6788@reddit
for tenner get a chicken or s/e roast it at home and it will last few days and you know whats in your food..
throwaway_t6788@reddit
you can ask them for more.. i always do..
georgepearl_04@reddit
I mean, its pretty common for them to have discounts in the app. I had a footlong big Bombay for £3.50 a couple weeks back
forfar4@reddit
And that's because they can make money from the data from the app.
MisterrTickle@reddit
Back in the early 2010s a 6" Meatball Marinara as the the sub if the day was £1.99 or £2.99ish with a cookie and coke. Which also really kept me going. Today I don't even consider them for food.
PastorParcel@reddit
'Back in the early 2010s.'
Well, that statement made me feel old! I haven't really adjusted to the idea this isn't the 20th century anymore, let alone had time to develop nostalgia for stuff that was only a decade ago.
APar93@reddit
Literally my college lunch on a Tuesday, back when I ate meat and was a skint 16/17 year old
YQB123@reddit
My housemate got one Uber'd to her last week and all I could think was: "...why?!"
mikolv2@reddit
I went to subway for the first time in about a decade recently, same as you I was used to £5 footlong + drink. I was expecting it to be a bit more expensive but my order cost me something like £12.50, it's so not worth it any more.
Environmental-Bus466@reddit
Student food!
When they used to cut a wedge in the top and not even bother counting the meatballs! Those were the days!
jlb8@reddit
Yeah. I’d forgive a lot of sins just because of the low low price even to a teenager.
LordGeni@reddit
They're franchises. It depends a lot on who runs it, but I also assume subway don't leave a lot of room for profit on the ingredients.
Candid-Community-287@reddit
It's even more fucked up if you order it online. A footlong sandwich meal deal is about £12, but if you want the meatball marinara you have to pay an extra £1.10 for it. I like them, but I only get them maybe once a month if that. I can't really justify the price for what you get.
Beautiful-Focus-7645@reddit
Subway can get lost. The most bland and soulless sandwich you will ever eat made by bland and soulless employees who don’t give a damn.
bertiebasit@reddit
Binned 3 subways bought last night at Birmingham NEC - literally one of the worst things I’ve ever tried- it belonged in the bin and I’m still pissed off 24 hours later at the £25 it cost
WordsMort47@reddit
What specifically did you not like about it, out of interest?
bertiebasit@reddit
Cold, chicken was dry, bitty and crusty…disgusting
loldonkimo@reddit
Why didn't you learn your lesson after the first two attempts
bertiebasit@reddit
Bought at the same time
CooroSnowFox@reddit
I think NEC/Aiport/Travel food is not worth the money as they're upped because you have little other choice to eat unless the event has its own, and they're doing the same
jakesmith0@reddit
The spoons has a limited menu with only chicken
bertiebasit@reddit
Food is a joke there….also yesterday, two insipid slices of cheap pizza with underdone fries….£25. Refunded as soon as I saw it.
DI-Try@reddit
Used to go a couple of times a month. Went around two years ago and they’d changed all their order process, meaning my regular order was almost double the price. Never been back since.
KushKushGirl@reddit
I worked at subway in the 90's. It was straight garbage then and now.
Horror_Barracuda_562@reddit
Since they added this set menu and basically made it impossible to customise anymore I’ve never been back. Tried to buy a breakfast roll and was refused brown sauce as it wasn’t on the menu for the one I wanted, so I just left it on the counter and walked out. Hope it went in the bin. Wankers
Ryanhussain14@reddit
The fuck? Isn't sandwich customization one of the main selling points of Subway? What's the point anymore?
Efficient-Lab@reddit
It’s for the delivery app market.
Ryanhussain14@reddit
Reason number 4673 for why food delivery apps are fucking atrocious.
Independent-Cat-59@reddit
Went to Subway last week and I had to ask the staff member (wearing a badge with 'Manager' on it) to change his gloves after he went to put my salad on directly after handling money!
theivoryserf@reddit
Yep, Subways just feel really grimy to me more often than not. Too many moving parts and too many teenagers working there who aren't fussed
Marsmanic@reddit
Came here to say this.
The quality has halved, the price has doubled.
I only see Subway having a UK presence for a short time now.
Most are located near a Greggs, which has maintained reasonable pricing and consistent standards, it used to be a choice which I'd treat myself to - last 5 years it's been an easy choice.
Sixforsilver7for@reddit
Greggs only seems like they've maintained reasonable pricing because of how cheap it used to in. 12ish years ago a 4 pack of sausage roles cost £1.05 (I remember being screamed at when the price went up to £1.10) and now that's less than the price of 1 sausage roll and a 4 pack is almost a fiver.
Wandering_sage1234@reddit
What could replace Subway in the UK?
Theratchetnclank@reddit
Independent sandwich shops.
AbnormalFruit@reddit
Greggs on the other hand had gone the other way… years ago I wouldn’t have even considered it as an option for lunch but now I’d happily go there, the food has got better and better over time. I’d suggest maybe it’s because I’ve got less picky but don’t think so, I agree with most of the comments on here about Subway and Frankie & Bennys so it can’t be that 🤣
AussieHxC@reddit
They try to do it really slowly.
A few years back they changed a lot of the recipes quite significantly and started doing things like putting extra mature cheese in things, more sausages, better quality overall.
The customer feedback was so bad that they reverted all the changes within a couple of months.
jacksbackmk@reddit
Subway cookies are great though and amazing value.
ChipCob1@reddit
The app is really weird, sometimes if you buy 2 or 3 subs (even when discounted) you somehow earn enough points for a free one.
WealthMain2987@reddit
I used have subway as a treat once a week/fortnight. Loved the subs but now it is super expensive for what is worth
JTitch420@reddit
I went to a subway in south mimms services and they refused to serve me because they have touch screen order points. A truly abysmal services
Dead to me now
Pen_dragons_pizza@reddit
Personally, this place has always been rubbish to me.
Absolutely nothing about it is all that special or tasty enough to not warrant me buying the ingredients myself for half the price and making it at home.
I’ll just never understand the fascination with subway
spammehere98@reddit
I can't get past the sweetness of the breads.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/01/irish-court-rules-subway-bread-is-not-bread
Huge-Celebration5192@reddit
They put a voucher through my door a year ago or so. Only subway in my town is about a 10 minute walk. Went and ordered a foot long and gave them the voucher when paying.
Girl said they don’t take vouchers here…couldn’t even be bothered to argue, just walked off and left the food. Dumbest system when that is the only subway and they targeting vouchers door to door.
LemonSherberty@reddit
Yes, it's the same here: we get books of vouchers posted through our door, but the Subway literally 200m from our house says that they don't accept vouchers. What is the point of that marketing expense?
Bilbo_Buggin@reddit
When they used to throw out vouchers, I’d eat there constantly. Mum was always taking us there growing up. I’ve been recently and it cost us a fortune!
tmr89@reddit
They became super stingy as well. Two cucumber and tomato discs per 6 inch. They pinch the ingredients, drop a few on the sub then put the rest back in the tray… like come on, just give a proper portion of veg
Low-Cauliflower-5686@reddit
I find toppings minimal unless you have the salad
Humble-Parsnip-484@reddit
I still enjoy subway, but the pricing and the new menu just ain't it. Maybe once every now and then though
iso-a-personality@reddit
Ugh yes, they seem to have gone totally backwards in terms of vegetarian/vegan options, too. Back when I first went vegetarian the only options were the veggie patty (that tasted like cardboard) or a sad af salad sandwich (who the fuck orders that?). Then they started doing vegan meatball marinara and fake chicken options and it was glorious. Then they got rid of both of those and did the vegan steak stuff, which was ok but not quite as good, and now they've got rid of even that and reverted back to the original limp salad sub or the "new" plant patty. I honestly don't know how the one near me is still in business as it's always dead when I go past.
Silver-Article9183@reddit
Fed me many nights sometimes as a student. Their footlong meatball deal was great for the time.
They're expensive as hell now, and I swear the fillings are about half the size they used to be. Service takes ages, and the staff look really stressed and miserable.
Bozzaholic@reddit
I don’t mind a subway, I don’t eat their trash bread though, I always have a wrap. Steak and cheese wrap is elite
TheLastDesperado@reddit
I've found they vary wildly from branch to branch and even day to day.
dontbelikeyou@reddit
I feel like Subways fall happened a lot faster than some of the other places. In 2019 I was eating there a few times a month. Then they messed with meal deal and Ive only been back once in five years. My sandwich was no longer part of the lunch deal so it cost a fortune and the quality was awful.
agbrigg@reddit
Takes the absolute piss nowadays as well. Went last month for the first time in years and it took literally 20 minutes to get my sandwich. A third of my lunch break spent stood in a queue! (A queue of like 3 people as well, not a particularly big queue. But they seem to prioritise Deliveroo/Uber eats orders now)
DeirdreBarstool@reddit
Went this afternoon. Stale bread, cold meatballs and lukewarm nacho chicken bites. Never going back.
agbrigg@reddit
Most of the add-on snack options that they sell are the kinda thing a teenager makes with limited ingredients available to them.
MissCutiePotatoHere@reddit
I never liked that. It always tasted weird
dolphineclipse@reddit
I haven't been back to Subway since I went in a branch and there were ants crawling on the counter
In_Jest_we_Trust@reddit
Subway have it your way, if your way is very wet.
cankennykencan@reddit
KFC. Needs seriously looking at
FrankieandHans@reddit
Always feel like KFC is staffed by the people who failed the back room at Argos exams
YetAnotherMia@reddit
If you go to China or many other countries it's like fried in heaven. In the UK it's so so at best and the quality is completely random. The gravy is always good though.
xokatt@reddit
I live in Spain and I have to say when I come back home KFC is incredible becasue it's shite here
No-Cost-1045@reddit
Gravy is totally dependent on the type they make, there is one type that uses waste scraped from the fryers, sounds terrible but tastes amazing, the other type is just shitty instant granules.
Jackdc4@reddit
Even the gravy has gone to shit in a few local ones
Deadened_ghosts@reddit
Just found out Aldi is selling Fried chicken gravy granules, yet to try it, but I got the Nacho cheese sauce granules at the same time, and that was fantastic on my chips last night (I did add some chipotle chilli flakes to it)
Baabaa_Yaagaa@reddit
It’s so watery
CurmudgeonLife@reddit
Gravy is shite now also.
forfar4@reddit
Went to one in Iceland on a Northern Lights coach tour and it was incredible. Full chicken breast for a Zinger, hot fries and crispy wings. Compared to the UK, it could have been a totally different company, never mind franchise.
I think we suffer in the UK because the "money men" look at how the Americans run business and try to emulate it, whereas the non-Anglophone European countries have a more quality-driven approach to the food business because people won't accept poor quality food quite so readily.
Poor quality food still exists, but it's very much in the minority, hence people being surprised at the standard of meals and portion sizes, generally, when abroad.
In the UK, we get what we're prepared to accept, rather than what we should demand.
Appropriate-Divide64@reddit
American chains in general are incredible in China. Pizza hut does things like beef wellington and steak. KFC is incredible. I'll miss their coffee. Starbucks is unbelievably slick (although priced waaaaay to high for china compared to Lickin or Chagee).
My theory is that they give you the high quality service and stuff during expansion to establish themselves into the culture, before cutting and enshitification reduce the quality.
Phinbart@reddit
Yeah, that place seemed to be a lot better when I was a kid... but I think part of it may be misplaced nostalgia or something. Luckily, my nearest branch is quite decent; it's on the same industrial estate as a McDonald's, but because the KFC is further away from the main road it's comparatively a lot quieter and so a better experience. I had to stop going to the one in the town I went to uni in, though; time it took the orders to come out was inversely proportional to the number of people waiting, and I started to get chicken that appeared undercooked.
I think the stuff with the chips a few years ago might have been part of a run of different new things and quirks to drum up interest in the brand. They're really going ham on ads on TV at the moment, which is striking.
HazelCheese@reddit
Similar for me. Maccies always packed so I go to the KFC.
Honestly never had a bad experience at that KFC. But did have some are the KFC where I went to Uni.
Phinbart@reddit
I'm guessing maybe in uni towns they rely a lot more on younger, less trained staff? Then again, my uni had a SPAR on campus and the staff there were mostly, surprisingly, older.
matomo23@reddit
It’s not quite as good as it was, but still decent. They’ve got to be careful though as Popeyes is much better, and Chick-fil-A are coming soon too.
WaterInEngland@reddit
KFC is incredibly dependent on franchise I think - there are ones near me which are consistently better/worse than one another
sneekeruk@reddit
This is the case around here, one of the 4 is worth going to, and ive noticed depending on area, its halal as well in some of them.
WealthMain2987@reddit
The chicken pieces have gotten smaller and smaller throughout the years. I am greedy but I finished a 6pc variety bucket by myself last month which was not possible 10 years ago..
CurmudgeonLife@reddit
My local KFC only manage to cook it 50% of the time, no idea why people even go there anymore. Raw chicken full of teenagers hair yum yum.
Bilbo_Buggin@reddit
I’m sure our local one is a health hazard at this point. I don’t want to criticise the staff as they’re often very young and I’m sure this is their first job, but god knows what management are thinking! I had KFC in Japan when I went there and it was like KFC was here about 15/20 years ago. It’s slipped so much.
brenodd@reddit
The one near me forces customers to use the self-service kiosk first before the till 😂 it causes carnage
boredofwheelchair@reddit
The KFC menu used to be great and innovative like 10 years ago or so then the changed it not for the better, you used to be able to add Cheese and Bacon to the Twister which only came in Kentucky Mayo, you had the KFC Burrito or how about the Supercharger
Hour-Salamander-4713@reddit
I've only been 3 times in my life, and every time I've been running to the toilet after a couple of hours. And this was 20 years ago.
Astroradical@reddit
It's frustrating, KFC would be fine if they just cooked their food til it's crispy. Last time I had it everything was underdone and soggy- but it was pretty good once I finished it in the oven for 5 mins. It's such a waste since it's such a simple fix
barrythecook@reddit
It'll be when it's in the hothold too long I suspect since it gets steamed essentially due to all the moisture in rhe chickens especially if its a quiter location since then the choice becomes do we precook it and lose quality or do we cook it to order and end up with long waits.
Astroradical@reddit
That makes more sense! And I've noticed KFCs have got less busy in recent years, so that might contribute to it
barrythecook@reddit
It does massively, I've done a fair amount of turn and burn places over the years and it's a weird thing but becouse of the nature of the operation the busiest ones usually have the highest food quality.
st1478@reddit
Agree, their prices are just ridiculous now too.
Getting rid of the OG zinger tower..wtf is that about?
Ruadhan2300@reddit
Three adults in my household. Average KFC order?.. £40
Ordering from the Indian restaurant down the road is the same price for three times as much food, and better quality. Love that place, but there's something wrong that KFC is that pricy..
TheLastDesperado@reddit
Now that we've got some Popeyes popping up, KFC really ought to step their game up because from my experience Popeyes is just superior.
charlescorn@reddit
The op was asking which have fallen most. KFC has always been greasy shit.
cankennykencan@reddit
Good point. I retract my comment
tonification@reddit
In this thread: the dead hand of private equity.
Ok_Store4257@reddit
Well this is it, and every time I’m in a group and a chain restaurant is suggested my heart sinks.
It’s always a disappointment, and life’s too short and expensive to be paying for disappointment.
SuspiciouslyMoist@reddit
It's the lifecycle of restaurants/food shops.
See, for example, Pizza Express, Pret, Wagamamma, Byron, etc.
Which places are next? Gail's Bakery looks like the sort of place that someone would do this to. Bread Ahead seems to be opening more branches in London.
Itsalwayssunnyinreas@reddit
pizza express hasn’t changed at all? still just as good as it used to be
SuspiciouslyMoist@reddit
It was bought by a Chinese private equity firm in 2014 and has definitely got worse since then. I guess it depends when you mean by "used to be". In the 80s and 90s it was better and there were far fewer competitors serving good pizza.
It's still ok, it's just not great.
inevitablelizard@reddit
Doesn't just happen to restaurants either, it's the culprit behind loads of "x business used to be really good but the quality has gone downhill" stories where people are only still buying from the company because they're coasting off their historic reputation. Which works for a while until enough people realise.
zaius2163@reddit
Never understood the value propoisiotn of Pizza Express. Pret seems to be doing fine though. I saw two literally across from each other yesterday. Gail's though, is already on the down from what I can see.
trefle81@reddit
Gail's I think is in that stage of being too big for the original management (I'm 80% sure it's still private) so it's creaking, because they didn't get the model down before expansion (few do). So it'll probably be looking round now for that debt-fuelled injection and begin the real slide in a year or two.
SuspiciouslyMoist@reddit
In my case, it's because I remember how good it used to be and am too senile to remember it's a bit depressing now.
ihearthp@reddit
This has already happened to Gail’s, was sold in 2021 for around 200mil. In my opinion it had already gone down the pan at the point of sale. Their bread is awful and NEVER fresh. I remember when the first ever one opened as it was 5 minutes from my house, such a special place. Now it’s an “ok” place. (source:am a baker and have worked with many of their ex staff)
trefle81@reddit
Precisely.
First they came for Café Rouge. Their minute steak and frites was bangin and 100% reliable in about 2000.
Tesco devoured Giraffe which is a haunted shadow of its former dependable self.
Now they're coming for Côte Brasserie. Quality is nosediving.
Next they'll take apart the indies that got or are getting scaled -- Bill's, Breakfast Club, Leon...
And through it all, the places that were always dreadful like Angus Steakhouse and Bella Italia soldier relentlessly on.
boredofwheelchair@reddit
This should be the top comment
Jeester@reddit
A lot of the brands here are owned by the YUMs or RBIs of the world
Perfect_Pudding8900@reddit
Yep, lots of the places the original owners upped and left long ago and now they're just corporate businesses extracting every ounce of profit until the brand doesn't pay it's expenses anymore.
Ozle42@reddit
I know it’s going under now, but TGI Fridays.
I remember going years back, huge portions, really good quality but pricey (for me, respectively)
Now it’s just the same as any other chain, normal size, if that. Poor quality food.
I see they are selling meats in tescos as well now, that’s just going to dilute the quality of the brand (if it wasn’t already done)
sinajar@reddit
Gourmet burger kitchen. Used to be amazing and you'd find one on most high streets. Not so good anymore
ElactricSpam@reddit
Pret, in London at least, have lost the plot. Filthy toilets, unhappy, unmotivated staff. Ingredient quality has plummeted and prices have gone right up. Coffee has always been terrible of course
Reasonable-Horse1552@reddit
I'm going to show my age here and say Little Chef! They used to have really good food that was cooked fresh. The breakfasts were lovely and the pancakes were superb. Free refills of tea and coffee... Then it all became microwaved crap. I ordered an omelette and even that came pre made with a handful of bagged salad for £8 ! Never went there again. And now they're all gone.
thevoiceofalan@reddit
I loved little chef.
They did those orange lollies at the till that I still crave.
pip_goes_pop@reddit
We were told we could only get them if we finished the meal. Was that just my parents or was that Little Chef policy?!
usernammmmmz@reddit
“The Little Chef will gladly swap your empty plate for our lollypop”! Suspect the staff had some discretion here though
minge-smasher@reddit
They were also at the till when you paid
Super_Ground9690@reddit
Holy shit, core memory unlocked!! I’d forgotten all about those lollies…
w__i__l__l@reddit
Oh man those orange lollies that kind of scratched your tongue. Memory unlocked 👌
drakon99@reddit
Wow, that brings back memories. Every summer we’d drive down to the West Country, parents, sister and tent. The radiator would explode or the exhaust would fall off somewhere down the A303 and we’d spend hours in Little Chef car parks waiting for the AA man. The lollies were the definite highlight.
Eventually the breakdown would arrive and we’d make it to the campsite, generally a muddy field full of cows with a tap and toilet on the other side of a busy road.
Dad would spent the first few days in Shepton Mallet getting the car fixed while mum sewed up the holes in the tent the cows made treading on the canvas.
Street_Inflation_124@reddit
lol. I’m about 50 and I still would like one.
fletch3059@reddit
Orange sherbets lollies. If you go to aldi you can get fruit sherbets and the orange ones are just like the lollies.
Take_that_risk@reddit
Top tip
Take_that_risk@reddit
Yes and red lollies too
Reasonable-Horse1552@reddit
Oh yes I'd forgotten about them! They were lush
Slapedd1953@reddit
I went to one for breakfast on the A49, since closed, asked for an omelette. “Sorry no omelettes” said waitress. “Run out of eggs at breakfast?” I asked. “We have eggs but no omelettes” she replied. I decided to breakfast elsewhere.
Adventurous_Low_5980@reddit
Was nicknamed ‘little thief’ round me growing up.
sneekeruk@reddit
I remember going to one with my dad 20+ years ago, and even back then I was looking at the prices thinking how much! Dad will need a 2nd mortgage if i have a full breakfast. Think it was nearly £30 back in 98/99. Never been back since.
David_is_dead91@reddit
I miss the pancakes to this day
Speedy_Dragon46@reddit
With the cherry sauce… omg I loved those so much.
pippaskipper@reddit
Jubilee pancakes. We tried to recreate them at home
This_Rom_Bites@reddit
You and me both
Pen_dragons_pizza@reddit
I remember getting the ring doughnuts as a kid with the chocolate sauce
LanaLane_@reddit
The little warm doughnuts & sauce were my fave when I was little!
Dazzling-Astronaut83@reddit
Bender in a bun
Cautious-Carrot-1111@reddit
Still available at wimpy to this day but they’ve gone all pc and changed the name to a bendy and cheese now
turboRock@reddit
There's one near me , they've renamed them to "pork bendy"
Shoddy-Teach9467@reddit
That was wimpy mate.
Dazzling-Astronaut83@reddit
Course it was. I had a senior moment then
Shoddy-Teach9467@reddit
Easy to do mate. I think it's a bendy bun now!
Dazzling-Astronaut83@reddit
I can see why.
There was a local lad who was pretty camp working at ours, he did turn out to be gay. Anyway, the sporty lads thought it was great to go in and order a bender in a bun from him. People would shout it at him in school, saying things like he puts them up his arse.
Fit_Faithlessness637@reddit
Thought you was gonna say Wimpy 😂
Deadened_ghosts@reddit
Little Chef & Happy Eater!
Fishfingerrosti@reddit
I remember once receiving an egg disk which they claimed was scrambled egg. They were always shite.
Loved that TV series where Heston Blumenthal was drafted in to "fix" their menu and the owner was absolutely not on board with any of his suggestions.
Reasonable-Horse1552@reddit
They weren't always shite, they actually did good food at one point but then went right downhill and everything was pre made, even scrambled eggs evidently!
tak0wasabi@reddit
I’d agree with that. The golden age of little chef was when they had to compete with red hen in the late 90s and they had real competition
DeifniteProfessional@reddit
My parents swore off Little Chef for life after we stopped at one on the way to catch a ferry and everything was either burnt or frozen, no in-between. They blamed a new "trainee chef" lol
InJaaaammmmm@reddit
They really needed to pivot to a fast food culture with a drive thru. They could've even done a British version. Imagine being able to get a fish finger sandwich and some vimto on the way to Wales.
Reasonable-Horse1552@reddit
Yeah that would have been awesome.
toonultra@reddit
Their chips were good too
Lakeland_wanderer@reddit
I was thinking of Little Chef too. They were great for breaking journeys with young children because the menu was child friendly. Happy memories from 30 years ago.
International-Luck17@reddit
I’m sure there are a couple still open! But the food was dreadful and overpriced last time I went.
harrietmjones@reddit
I remember my mum talking about noticing the switchover whenever she talked about her time working there.
My uncle and aunt used to work at one, alongside my mum in the late 80’s/early 90’s.
slip_cougan@reddit
Little Chef - so many childhood memories.
WeeGeesUnicorns@reddit
The A9 in Scotland used to have Little Chefs on it, both directions! We'd always stop at one for breakfast on our drives home from Aberdeen to Glasgow!
They were the best in their hayday
tomkeys78@reddit
I used to work at a little chef when I was 17! A1 Southbound near Sinderby. It’s long gone now and on the former site now stands a Heck sausage factory. Lots of happy memories and so many fun stories. You’d get to know all the traffic cops popping in the back for cups of tea. I wrote my first car off on the A1 in a pretty big smash but all the attending police knew who I was and really looked after me.
Reasonable-Horse1552@reddit
We had the choice of 2 near us and after a long day at work it was great to go and get an all day breakfast and cherries jubilee pancakes. We knew all the staff because we went there so much. I hope you were OK after the horrible car crash xx
zanetheshark@reddit
I remember going there years back with my nan. She asked for scrambled eggs which they said they didn't have, but she could have fried eggs. They'd ran out of the bagged scrambled eggs...
Reasonable-Horse1552@reddit
Ewww bagged scrambled eggs sounds vile! I can't believe they wouldn't or couldn't just make scrambled eggs from scratch. It's not difficult.
FrenzalStark@reddit
My mam worked in one when I was a kid (I think it was originally Kelly’s Kitchen, but she still worked there when it changed to Little Chef). It was amazing at the time. I ate so much ice cream once I spewed all over the car park.
cobraalucha@reddit
The all-day breakfast for dinner was always 💯 when I was younger!
JCSkyKnight@reddit
Threw up in a Little Chef both times I went as a child so I’ve always been biased against them 🤣
pip_goes_pop@reddit
The one nearest to me had the Heston Blumenthal makeover and we went and had the ox cheeks. It was really good! But obviously wasn’t enough to save the chain.
There’s a good look into the Little Chef download here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001xvkh?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile
FablousStuart@reddit
Found McDonald’s to be a little meh theses day. Most of the new menu items that comes out are just different cheese bites or a slightly different version of the same thing that’s already on the menu. Nothing overly unique anymore. I remember them doing a Nan bread burger before. It wasn’t anything crazy but definitely made me want to try it before it goes.
Might just be the uk McDonald’s but personally it’s gone down hill since they got rid of the chicken legend 🥲
JackJ2395@reddit
Pizza hut, had loads of resturants in england growing up as a kid, ice cream machines and massive sharing pizzas. It was the place to be before the cinema with family or having a kids party.. Now your lucky to see a small one still standing
Plumbus93@reddit
TGI Fridays
Accurate_Prompt_8800@reddit
TGI, Frankie and Bennies - terrible, burnt, sad looking overcooked food that probably got made in the microwave. Last trip was in 2020, never went back again.
Rubberfootman@reddit
I went past two restaurants next door to each other yesterday at lunchtime. People were queueing out the door for Wagamama, while next door at TGI there were two customers.
Randomn355@reddit
Wage.amas isn't exactly great asian food though.
It's just people can't cook noodle soup at home as easily as a burger b3cquze they aren't familiar
Rubberfootman@reddit
It wasn’t a comment about how good Wagamama is.
Randomn355@reddit
My point is that both are pretty crap, just one feels exotic.
It's not because Wagamamas is any better.
chrislomax83@reddit
We went to the one in Liverpool last year. I never used to mind TGIs and my son loved going to grab a burger when he was younger.
All the heating was off and the waitress was so pushy so actually sat down at the table like we were on a triple date.
Place was freezing and the food was shite. £50 down the drain for microwave food.
Wife complained and they gave us a £50 voucher in return. We never actually used it as I wouldn’t step foot in one again.
Electrical-Guard9689@reddit
The waitress sat with you???
chrislomax83@reddit
Yeah, not all the time but while she was taking the order.
We were on the 2 person bench sat across from each other setup and she came over and kind of nudged me over while she took the order.
Wife and I were in the middle of a conversation and she sat down chatting with the usual “what are you guys up to today” patter.
It got awkward when she outstayed her welcome of just taking our order and was trying to make other conversation. Wife and I were just looking at each other wondering if it was some type of bet or joke that we didn’t get.
matomo23@reddit
Sitting down briefly at the table while they take the order is quite common in the US. As in-I’ve spent months and months in the US and probably eaten hundreds of meals there and have encountered it about 10 times or so.
Americans certainly wouldn’t think it’s odd. So maybe that’s why.
Swim-Global@reddit
I just want to add here - I worked at a TGI’s in my early 20’s. They literally train you to do this sort of thing! Sit down, crouch, get at eye level, act over familiar and over friendly. I got fired for not being ‘happy’ enough!
chrislomax83@reddit
I’d been to a few TGIs and it was never this intimate before. It seemed to be at this particular venue.
It might have been because it was so cold that she needed some body heat.
I get the whole “what you guys up to later” spiel as most places do it. It just felt very over familiar and in an introvert so it just felt really weird as the conversation went past that. I can’t even remember what she was talking about but it was an uncomfortable few minutes.
Rubberfootman@reddit
It is so useful when you find an easy place to take your child(ren) but that is awful.
chrislomax83@reddit
Well it’d been a while since we all last went.
I took him when he’d finished his GCSEs a couple of years ago and it was in decline then. I’d noticed the prices were creeping up and the quality wasn’t as good.
We used to go quite a bit if we’d been to the Trafford centre and I remember saying once “why are people going to 5 guys when you can get a proper restaurant environment for a couple of quid more”. So there must have been a point where it wasn’t crazy expensive.
The quality was never 5* but I did used to enjoy the jack Daniel’s chicken and like I say, my son really enjoyed the burger, so it was always a quick win.
chrislomax83@reddit
Well it’d been a while since we all last went.
I took him when he’d finished his GCSEs a couple of years ago and it was in decline then. I’d noticed the prices were creeping up and the quality wasn’t as good.
We used to go quite a bit if we’d been to the Trafford centre and I remember saying once “why are people going to 5 guys when you can get a proper restaurant environment for a couple of quid more”. So there must have been a point where it wasn’t crazy expensive.
The quality was never 5* but I did used to enjoy the jack Daniel’s chicken and like I say, my son really enjoyed the burger, so it was always a quick win.
Fruitpicker15@reddit
This was more or less my experience at TGI in Northampton 10 years ago. The one and only time I tried them.
Adammmmski@reddit
They’ve gone into admin. Too fucking right its about £20 for a cheeseburger.
forfar4@reddit
I stopped going when they seemed to insist on slathering everything with their treacly, tastes-a-bit-burnt Jack Daniels sauce,
0x633546a298e734700b@reddit
Bloody hell that's five guys pricing
Moomoocaboob@reddit
Karma for serving moist food on paper. Animals.
Rubberfootman@reddit
Especially these days where there so many other places where one can get a better burger.
space_coyote_86@reddit
I went to TGIs a few years ago and thought it was terrible, but then went again some time last summer planning to have a cheap dinner at Spoons but didn't realise football was on, and it was packed. So we ended up at TGI's, and I actually thought it was pretty decent. Terribly overpriced though.
jdsuperman@reddit
Yeah, I learned the same lesson, but a few years earlier than that. I remember it being such a treat to go there when I was young, but either I was under a spell at the time, or things got worse over the years, because as an adult it's not good at all.
CupOutlet26@reddit
TGI Fridays. Used to be really nice and good value for money, now you're paying a mere £20 for chicken and chips.
Randomn355@reddit
Given inflation, that's really not that dear.
The chicken fingers were about 15 when I left about 8 years ago...
TeddersTedderson@reddit
And now they're in Administration
yousmellandidont@reddit
They all do it. It's so frustrating, I swear a restaurant chain rises, has some good food, then the investment firms come in, unleash the accountants, who go round cutting all the costs, I.e. quality, and the once-decent chain turns to shit.
Frankie and Bennys, as many have mentioned, used to be pretty decent. Loch Fyne, Zizzi, Prezzo, Ask, Harvester, TGI, Chiquito, Taco Bell, Chimmichanga, Miller & Carter, and so on... I used to enjoy all these places, but these days, the majority of it is just overpriced bland food. Some of it isn't too bad, but the vast majority, truly is a shadow of its former self!
Randomn355@reddit
Maybe in the last 10 years your bar has just raised.
You know a bit more about cooking, you understand how to make a decent dish in 20- minutes etc
And as a result, going out isn't so great because... well, it's almost achievable yourself if it's mediocre.
cursed_cucumbers@reddit
I remember when I first ate at Zizzi, around 10 years ago. The food was as delicious and authentic as an Italian chain could be. Now it feels like any other shitty chain italian restaurant, where the pasta is way beyond al dente, to the point I'm convinced it is frozen crap warmed up in a microwave.
barrythecook@reddit
Tbf when I used to work for them when I tried cooking the pasta properly al dente loads of customers would complain which was depressing, lots of focus on food waits, minimising labour, the worst pos and order system I've seen in 20 years of kitchens but very little focus on quality and lots of untrained staff due to the aforementioned labour controls meaning you'd have lots of people working 5-10 hours a week and not actually having the time to train them/ if they had half a brain why would they care about the 5 hours a week minimum wage job and put the slightest effort into learning it even the sous chef got I think 50p above minimum wage and hours had to be cut regularly. Tldr; ran a kitchen for them for a bit and it was frankly shit due to upper management.
saccerzd@reddit
Re al dente, this is part of the problem. We get crap, bland, overcooked food because the average British palate is unsophisticated.
SlippersParty2024@reddit
Same for Strada, which started as a decent Italian (for British standards), then again like all the chains, the quality went downhill and the prices shot up. And I stopped going.
milomitch@reddit
I don't mourn the failing and eventually loss of any chain. I couldn't tell you which aren't as good any more, but I hear McDonald's ain't cheap now.
RackOffMangle@reddit
All of them. Strangled by corporate penny pinching
RomyJamie@reddit
Pizza Hut, Subway, Bella Italia, KFC
QuailTechnical5143@reddit
Beefeater. Used to be a regular customer for years but it’s overpriced, poor service and just not as high quality as it used to be for the money.
Personal_Stay9075@reddit
I worked for Beefeater back in 2021 and it was a shambles. About 80% of the people they hire are twats. If you're staying in a Premier Inn hotel it's not worth the hassle of dining at one of their restaurants in my honest opinion! You're more likely to have a bad time than a good one.
royalblue1982@reddit
I mean, it's been a long, long time since Beefeater was anything other than on the bottom rung of chain restaurants. Harvester, Brewers Fayre, Toby Carvery. Don't get me wrong - we had pretty much every family birthday during the 90s in one of them. But after the turn of the century they just became mass-produced, lowest of the low quality food.
Capital_Punisher@reddit
They were always shit, but the 'better' options were not as readily available as they are now.
Bord_Board_Gamer@reddit
I’d personally put Harvester and Beefeater on a tier just above Brewers Fayre, which sits with Hungry Horse and Sizzling Pubs on a true bottom tier of microwaved, just about edible food that fills you up and you can’t complain at the quality because you knew what you were getting into when you walked in.
Beefeater still (for their steaks at least) cook on a proper top, and everything is cooked in an open kitchen. Where I fault Beefeater is the removal of the unlimited chips, the free side salad, etc. The rest of the food was decent but not great, but the extras really helped elevate it. Beefeater breakfast is still my favourite of the chains (though it’s been a couple of years since I went to one for breakfast admittedly!!)
Harvester went very downhill at the same time that they changed their chips, but we went a few months ago and were pleasantly surprised, and you still get the salad bar, which is still as I remember it being. Without salad bar, Harvester wouldn’t be worth going to, and even now it’s only worth it with a voucher (same for beefeater)
Lakeland_wanderer@reddit
Sixty years ago The Angel in Henley on Thames was the place we would always go for family celebrations. It was my first experience of a Beefeater and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I always thought it was good but that’s childhood memories and the passage of time. I haven’t been to one in years so I don’t know about current quality.
CooroSnowFox@reddit
Steak is a difficult place to sell cheap steak, as people would be fussy and want to go expensive and to places that specialize in doing them at a higher price. Pubs still exist as well and they're easier to sell better
Also is it that Beefeater is a Hotel associated brand, so maybe their locations are determined by if it's attached to a Premier Inn?
baldeagle1991@reddit
The vast majority of Beefeaters or Brewers Fayres are associated with a nearby Premier Inn, if not connected to them directly.
Whitbread own all the companies and have a boggling amount of brands for a ton of slightly different niches, but they're mostly all the same in quality.
l0stlabyrinth@reddit
I imagine the Premier Inn association is how they get by. Most people who have checked in and just want something to eat and can't be bothered to venture out will just settle for Beefeater. A lot of the meals there are probably expensed on business too.
Left_Condition2044@reddit
As someone who does this, I really wish we didn’t have to. There is NOTHING even remotely healthy the menu at all. But this is how they’re staying afloat, it’s the meal deal!
Spaghetti3000@reddit
I feel similarly. When I last went, I settled for a burger and side salad (most appealing and semi-balanced option) - the salad literally looked like it'd been dragged from a swamp
QuailTechnical5143@reddit
It used to be the place to go for a reasonable quality steak at a fair price. The price has rocketed but the quality stayed the same or worse.
Jaggerjaquez714@reddit
Nandos - portion sizes have massively reduced and prices have soared.
Shoddy-Teach9467@reddit
Has KFC not been said yet? Used to love the thought of it. I live in Penge and mine is proper minging.
Sixforsilver7for@reddit
Never had a good KFC in South London. I don't even think it's because of how many more chicken options there are cos i've had some decent ones in East and we've still got a tonne of chicken shops.
Shoddy-Teach9467@reddit
To be honest, where is there a good takeaway?
Sixforsilver7for@reddit
In south London? If tog want chicken and there’s a Morley’s- there if not, chicken cottage
thetapeworm@reddit
Price is a major factor now (in the UK at least) as you're less likely to accept it being substandard when you're paying £10 for something that was around £6 not that long ago but they're also woefully inconsistent, not only from franchised outlet to other franchised outlet but even at the same ones.
My local one seemed intent on always forgetting to put something in the bag on a drive-thru order and the in-store experience is slow, the surrounding dirty and it feels like the Deliveroo / Just Eat orders always take preference over people making the effort to actually come in. They might as well just turn some of them into dark kitchens.
With places like Popeyes starting to open up more branches and Wingstop and other chicken places multiplying I foresee trouble ahead unless KFC sort themselves out.
u/hasthisonegone has a point about the cycle of intrigue and disappointment though, it definitely happens and an interesting "special" or some kind on in-app deal can increase the desire to give them "one last try" if you're not careful.
hasthisonegone@reddit
I have a three and out theory about KFC, you don’t have it for ages, then on a whim you go, and it’s great. So a few weeks later you have another, and it’s kind of ok. The next time is a bit of a longer gap and it’s terrible, so you think “I’m not going back” and you don’t, for about a year to two years, then you fancy it again and the cycle repeats. Currently at the end of the cycle.
Shoddy-Teach9467@reddit
That's a decent idea. But the trouble is, if you have that KFC after a year and it's bad, what do you do then? Although there is Morleys these days (maybe not where you live, though). I tend to prefer favourite chicken as well.
ideal-view@reddit
Kfc
Limp-Willow8157@reddit
Poppies — the fish and chips are absolute shite now.
LagerBitterCider197@reddit
Harvester - full of chav types with their screaming kids last time I was in one.
FreeRangeCaptivity@reddit
Harvester has always been crap but it was cheap and cheerful and the salad bar made it good value.
Now they tried to be posher and have increased prices but the food is still crap, just dressed up a bit and expensive
CurmudgeonLife@reddit
Last time I went to a harvester I ordered a burger and it was literally green.
mat8iou@reddit
People were joking about Harvester at least 30 years ago as a place to avoid.
Polliwog12345@reddit
Id say it depends on the location, there is 2 that I would consider nearby to me, and one is much nicer than the other.
LolaDeWinter@reddit
Any chain pub/eatery, wipe your feet on the way out!!!
FrenzalStark@reddit
Pretentious arsehole.
RadiantRain3574@reddit
Generally dislike most of these mid market places. Can’t bear to part with the best part of £75 to feed my family of 4. Nowadays will tend to only venture to pizza express with the discount vouchers.
Vyvyansmum@reddit
I pine for Spud U Like
IvyKingslayer@reddit
I used to get a double top meal deal on my lunch break most days - jacket with cheese and beans, garlic bread and a sprite. I had mall discount so I could afford it, not sure I could anymore.
thetapeworm@reddit
We have one here, it's "Spud U Like by James Martin" - the prices are high for what it is and from what I've seen from the few customers in the food court the portions are a bit on the tight side.
It's currently sat on a 2.6 out 5 average from the \~90 Google reviews it has.
Despite the James Martin association they charge extra for butter, it's about £1 for one of those tiny wrapped rectangles which is hard to swallow when you're already paying something like £9 for a jacket with cheese and beans.
Beartato4772@reddit
My favourite bit of them is look at their site and hit our food and is says "Imaginatively tasty toppings that could only have come from the hands of James Martin"
The one directly under that text is "Butter".
Man's a genius.
thetapeworm@reddit
One of the "Sides" is just butter too :)
(He has a cookbook called "Butter" too IIRC, presumably a jacket potato with butter is featured)
Vyvyansmum@reddit
Fuck that, I’d bring my own chunk of butter . What a shame to hear that.
FFS_Fourdragons@reddit
Wimpy, biased because I worked at the 2nd busiest one in the UK (Newcastle) after Oxford Street, was there when Grand Met bought all the franchise agreements out from Wimpy International and incentivised the franchises to rebrand to Burger King, disaster, £2.2m turnover dropped to £1.8m, lower GM% and ripped off left right and centre. I left, franchiser lasted another decade or so before selling back to Grand Met. Couldn’t make it pay, it was shit.
thunderfart_99@reddit
Its probably been said already in this thread, but Frankie & Bennys.
Used to go a lot to Frankie & Bennys in my grandparents' town (my hometown didn't have a Frankie & Bennys) the late 2000s and early 2010s with my grandparents, before watching the football with them, as F&B was five minutes away from the ground. I remember the food being so good and the burgers were pretty damn good and filling too. As my hometown didn't have a Frankie & Bennys, I always saw going there as a treat.
Went to a Frankie & Bennys in Leeds city centre with my girlfriend a few years ago, first time I'd been to F&B in almost a decade. Man it was shit - even the waiter admitted to us that things weren't so good. Everything tasted like it had been microwaved and it just seemed bland. My grandparents even went to F&B a few years ago too and they said it was awful.
I'd say Pizza Hut and TGI Fridays too as a honourable mention. Pizza Hut especially was nostalgic for me as a child in the 2000s, but doesn't seem the same now. Made the mistake of ordering a steak once at TGI Fridays - tasted like shit. But for me, Frankie & Bennys' decline is pretty sad.
Apart-Distance8292@reddit
Spud-U-Like
absurdmcman@reddit
Many good shouts here, but for me it's Pret. Was genuinely good quality and good value for a spell in the 00s and much of the 10s. Every time I'm back in the UK now and I decide to give it a go I'm severely let down. Price up, quality down, size down. Just not worth it.
SlickyTrick@reddit
I was thinking Frankie and Bennys before I even read your post. Also Brewers Fayre.
Harrry-Otter@reddit
Red’s BBQ.
The original one in Leeds used to be seriously good. Beautiful trays of slow braised and smoked meats and a whole range of house made sauces, dips and marinates. It was the perfect spot for an afternoon of IPA’s and gratuitous, carnivorous, excess.
I last went about 2 years ago and fuck me was it bleak. The BBQ was genuinely worse than something you’d do yourself on one of those £2 disposable things and all the condiments had gone, replaced by just Heinz BBQ and ketchup. I’m honestly shocked it’s still in business.
domsp79@reddit
Nottingham one has closed down. We used to love going there, and 5 years ago I had my 40th birthday party there.
My wife and I went about 2 years ago on a rare night off from the kids, and it was awful.
Ilikewhatyousay@reddit
The Manchester one has gone too
LegitTheral@reddit
Sheffield one closed down too!
abbieadeva@reddit
It’s so funny that it been mentioned here. The building has just been out of use since it closed and I just drove past it an hour ago and looks like someone is starting work on it!
cpt_hatstand@reddit
They put coriander in the coleslaw so I'm glad it's gone
Warriorz7@reddit
That place was good for the first few months then it was absolutely tragic by the end.
HH93@reddit
That was the only Red's I ever went too, just the one time - in 2016. I have a pic of the drinks menu: Appleton Estate 50yr Rum £250 a shot !
Theratchetnclank@reddit
I went to the leeds one when it first opened and was recently thinking about going again but ill definitely give it a miss now.
brave1991@reddit
I used to go to the one in Nottingham fairly often, and it just turned to shit, the food became so tasteless and bland.
At first it was unreal.
WealthMain2987@reddit
Loved reds bbq when they had a branch in London.
ShrinkingUniverse@reddit
We used to go to the Manchester branch twice a year for special occasions, it's on the corner of the street and has a really grand entrance. Your description has truly hit me in the nostalgia with the IPAs, selection of condiments, etc. We'd order the dustbin lid and get something of everything, the brisket and cheese/jalapeno sausages were unbelievable. Even the sides were fantastic like the beans, slaw and Mac 'n cheese. As you say we went about 2ish years ago and the menu had completely changed since our last visit, less variety of everything. Less menu choices, less beers, less condiments, ribeye steak was smaller and less customers inside. Used to love watching the chefs rotating stuff out of the smokers whilst watching our order slowly progress on the screen (Manc had a front facing screen with orders on). Even loved the gents there as it had a Harry Potter theme with giant taps/sink. I thoroughly miss sitting for hours feasting and drinking, one of those true excess moments in life and tbh for what you got the prices were not horrendous, expensive yes, but when you're drinking pints upon pints of strong IPAs with shots mixed in then eating an entire cow the price never surprised. RPI Reds, thank you for the memories.
ashakespearething@reddit
I miss it so much. That and Solita before it also died a sad death. Eating out in Manchester 2014 to about 2018 was the best (imo).
Numerous_Lynx3643@reddit
It’s funny how there was a shift from the excess that you got from places like Red’s and Solita, to the “small plates” revolution
tdrules@reddit
“Dirty” food just became a bit boring IMO
Numerous_Lynx3643@reddit
I am not a small plates person, I just like a standard full sized meal, but I’m with you on that! 🤣
popeoldham@reddit
Reds was BBQ food for people who've never eaten real US BBQ food. Everything was just burnt, and they didn't ventilate their kitchens very well (at the manchester one anyway) as every time I walked in my eyes would water from the smoke. Not even nice, smoker smoke, just burning smoke.
Last_Cartoonist_9664@reddit
When it first opened (I'm going back over ten years in Leeds) it was genuinely good BBQ - at least going by the word of my American expat buddy who also lived in Leeds at the time and insisted we go there.
It went downhill relatively quickly sadly but as mentioned, the first few years it was amazing food.
Never really found a decent alternative in Leeds tbh
adamjeff@reddit
The first one in Leeds got rave reviews from BBQ and food places alike. The guy you're replying to either went during the decline or is a bit mistaken, for the first 2 years Red was in the running for best in the country. About 4 years later it was inedible trash.
Ryanthelion1@reddit
Probably the biggest drop in quality I've experienced, used to be a proper nice treat. The final time I went friends were visiting and they hadn't experienced going to one and we hadn't been in a while so I was excited to show them.
I had to pay a £40 deposit when booking, the food was meh but worst of all was the service, when it came to pay I asked for the voluntary tip to be taken off and the server actually started to argue with me as to why and got angry and arsey with us. With all that happening I forgot about the £40 I had already paid so had to email them to refund that, overall it was shit
Puzzleheaded-Ad-3602@reddit
went in a few months ago asked for a table for 2 they said they didn’t have any despite them been empty so we stood outside and booked a table and went back in straight away anyway it was terrible
BaseballFuryThurman@reddit
Red's was my favourite place to eat in Manchester and then after not going for a few years I found out it had closed down. Thankfully I never experienced any dip in quality so my fond memories aren't tainted.
generaltjb1@reddit
Did you ever find a replacement for Reds in manc, anything at all similar?
llksg@reddit
Husband and I first met in Leeds and I remember it opening up. It was a PROPER treat. That place plus friends of ham (does it still exist??), ambiente and the original bundobust were our common haunts. A decade ago now! Man I miss Leeds
Hank_Wankplank@reddit
Friends of Ham is still there yes.
Captain-Redman@reddit
I went to the one in Leeds and thought it was pretty crap. It was like student dive and the food was crap for the money we paid
g00gleb00gle@reddit
Over expanded. Went to shite
ioscommenter@reddit
one of my good friends is friends with one of the original founders. I can remember when you had to queue to get in; there would almost always be a queue before opening (we got to skip the queue a few time) the food was always amazing, those huge chicken wings and the beef rib... . Things went downhill when they sold up, I think its changed hands a number of times since then. You can still get reds BBQ sauce in the supermarket and it's still the same great flavours. Kansas city my fave ... huge shame it was amazing I remember my first donut burger but also remember that a standard burger was so good, and the deep fried peppers and the crackling ...
rayreaper@reddit
Didn't know Reds was still knocking about, we had one in Newcastle a couple of years ago. Similar story, it was great at first but went downhill pretty quick.
mraksmeet@reddit
Newcastle has a grim BBQ scene these days we literally have nowhere good. Reds was the last we had.
Technical_Penalty_46@reddit
Same in manchester
Patient-Detail-4378@reddit
True shame how bad it got. I remember going to one of their NYE events when it was at it’s peak, 7 courses or something, brilliant atmosphere. Within the next year or so (around time it started to franchise/expand) it went to utter shit.
It was one of those places when it was good I’d be more than happy to pay the extra few quid because it would be worthwhile.
Embarrassed_File_795@reddit
Byrons
Used to be a top notch place about 6-8 years ago. I noticed the food getting worse and worse, with every visit, until the last time I went and left over half my meal and got a refund for how bad it was. Unsurprisingly, the ones near me shut down. I have seen some others that are still about and open, so not sure what the situation was/is.
mat8iou@reddit
I was put off them ever since they organised the rounding up of a load of their staff to be handed over to immigration officers.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/27/immigration-raid-on-byron-hamburgers-rounds-up-30-workers
ramxquake@reddit
You preferred it when they used illegal, trafficked labour?
blueheartglacier@reddit
If the Home Office comes knocking and tells you that you need to do this to your staff you probably comply because the alternative is implied to be very serious consequences that mess up your company. It's borderline coerced under threat for the company
Sweaty_Leg_3646@reddit
Right?! I hate seeing this trotted out - absolutely no legitimate business is going to decide "actually no, we are going to refuse to let the Home Office deport a bunch of illegal immigrants who conned us."
How, exactly, do they expect this to pan out? And why do they think it would be applauded that Byron actively stopped its employees being punished for crimes?
Beartato4772@reddit
They also shopped their own staff to immigration.
tmr89@reddit
Honest Burger are so much better
gavco98uk@reddit
I just discovered Honest Burger last weekend, and I wasnt impressed at all. The chips are amazing, but apart from that, nothing special at all. Menu is very basic, and the burgers were extremely greasy.
Both of us regretted not going to 5 Guys round the corner, would have been a similar price and much better quality.
demonicneon@reddit
Tommys is where it’s at.
tom808@reddit
Last 3 times I've been (3 different ones/two different cities) were pretty underwhelming at best.
I agree they used to be amazing. I used to rush there for lunchtime when I worked in central London as they queues after 12:05 were insane.
the_j_cake@reddit
That's also got much worse than it used to be in my experience. The chips used to be an absolute godsend but the last three times they've overcooked or given me cold chips
MateoKovashit@reddit
Yeah the rosemary salt chips are a bit pants now
Burgers are still solid but not as good
tmr89@reddit
That’s a shame. I’ve had good experiences with the chips the last two times I’ve been. Generous portion, nicely seasoned and cooked
Iwantedalbino@reddit
Their cheesetruck special belongs in the god tier of food
stuaxo@reddit
Stopped going to Byron when they told a load of staff to turn up one day just so they could be deported.
https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/byron-how-the-cult-burger-brands-immigration-sting-flipped-its-fortunes-overnight-a3310881.html
Sweaty_Leg_3646@reddit
Obviously, things would have gone so much better for them if they'd said "actually, no, we are going to help our employees commit immigration fraud, for some reason".
Lidl_Security_Guard@reddit
Why are you taking the side of criminals with fake IDs?
FreezerCop@reddit
You know they didn't just decide one day to fuck over all their staff for a laugh don't you. If you're a nationally registered company and the law turns up at your door and tells you to do something and no, you don't have any choice in the matter, you really do have to comply. They lost a load of their best staff overnight and they never fully recovered, the boycott was badly targeted and ended hurting the remaining staff much more than the immigration officers who planned the sting.
UglyFilthyDog@reddit
Worked kitchen in two different Byrons and knew people working their obviously and it seems like kitchen staff, probably wait staff as well, may as well been whipped by the bosses for being 30 seconds late for anything. Only job I've ever straight up walked iout of. Just me and one other chef in on a busy Saturday? No thank you mate. Pay was absolute shite too.
TheRealVinosity@reddit
They sold to a VC who expanded the franchise, while reducing quality at the same time. Quite a common story.
MisterrTickle@reddit
VC, private equity and hedge funds are essentially the death nail for any chain restaurant. As they always cut costs and increase prices. In order to fund the buy out, to pay the tax free loans that they've taken out on the business and to pay the management fees that they charge the chain for their consultation work.
I'm surprised that Pizza Express is still going. As the loans that the VC took out on them, were due to be repiad in about 2021. With little chance that they would be paid off. They most likely just got rolled over somehow.
tmr89@reddit
I’m surprised about Pizza Express, too. It’s £17.65 just for a pepperoni pizza. Crazy. It’s okay pizza, but can definitely get better value elsewhere
Astra_Trillian@reddit
You used to be able to log into any table from anywhere, no need for location services. This allowed you to collect stamps and get to gold status and get some decent discounts without spending any money. I used to apply the discounts if I’d logged into a table where someone had ordered something I could get for free (dough balls, kids meal, soft drink iirc).
Unfortunately they fixed it a while ago.
Western-Mall5505@reddit
Must be all the customs from disgrace royals keeping them going.
gloomsbury@reddit
Yeah, I came here to say Pizza Express. Used to love it back in the day but it's gotten so overpriced for the quality. I worked in their kitchen for a few months as a student and the quality of the ingredients put me right off - nothing's fresh, ingredients are just defrosted and assembled, and the pasta dishes are pretty much a £15 ready meal decanted into a nice dish.
iMac_Hunt@reddit
Agreed, it's happened to a lot of chains in London. I'm scared dishoom is going to go this way (if it hasn't already).
Wild-Compote5730@reddit
I used to love Byron. When I was skint living in London it was where I’d take my visiting pals for a cheapish dinner in the middle of town. Then I discovered Honest and Franco Manca in Brixton, although we’d still go to the one in Haymarket. I really went off them when a branch asked all their staff to a meeting, and it turned out to be an immigration sting.
ripdawgz@reddit
I used to work at one of these. Lost my job when they closed 9 restaurants nationwide. Parent company got taken to court for violation of redundancy laws, or something along those lines. I got a payout eventually.
They're just not a good company. No idea how the new management is doing, but the old one (pre 2023) jacked up prices, micromanaged staff with absurd mystery guest criteria, and cared more about the delivery side than the in-house. Getting let go was a blessing.
alloitacash@reddit
Nando’s, chicken thigh portions are pitiful.
thetapeworm@reddit
The chicken is tiny these days which I can almost excuse them for due to inflation but when you're paying close to £20 a head and the "filler" stuff like chips, rice and peas etc is sent out in such tiny portions the appeal is lost.
I've never understood why a place will scrimp on things that must cost them pennies and leave customers disappointed just to make a bit more profit for a short period of time until everyone goes elsewhere.
alloitacash@reddit
Recent time I went one of the thighs was about one mouthful. I’ve been reluctant to go since.
Leeds2112@reddit
KFC
SebastianHaff17@reddit
Strada. It deserved better. Their garlic bread remains unmatched for me.
PangolinOk6793@reddit
Agree with Subway. Double the price and about 5 times as bad as it was 15 years ago. Remember going for the first time after COVID and it being absolutely horrible.
Dominos and Pizza Hut are just completely bland. The prices they charge are officially out of treat range now. They have the audacity to pretend you are getting 50% off as well saying a meal for one was £40. Pizza independents are nicer anyway. I find it crazy prices hold despite competition. I mean just look up how much Pizza Hut and Dominos costs in Australia and especially NZ.
matomo23@reddit
Little Caesars are expanding here. They’ve promised to just offer cheap pizzas and none of these stupid deal prices that Dominos and Papa Johns do here. Like you say this doesn’t happen in other countries.
So depending on how they do Dominos might have to respond to the competition.
Beartato4772@reddit
Admittedly it's still 5+ years since I went to one but they somehow managed to make it all taste the same near regardless of what you ordered.
Immorals1@reddit
Wetherspoons.
Wasn't exactly high quality, but it was cheap and cheerful.
Now it's gotten pretty pricey and the quality of the food is absolutely awful, the burgers make rustlers look gourmet.
matomo23@reddit
Don’t be silly. It’s far cheaper than the competition, so what are you expecting really?
Beartato4772@reddit
Consider the price of the burger and drink deal. Take the price of the drink off to get the "Food price".
Then consider the general rule for a restaurant is to charge 3 times the base meal cost for it.
So they're spending 1/3rd of that number on your burger and chips.
It's probably considerably cheaper than Rustler's.
ProneMasturbationMan@reddit
All of them, they're all rubbish value now
brenodd@reddit
Maccies if it counts. It’s too expensive. There’s long waits even in store cos they’ve gotta make delivery orders as well. Great menu items were slashed and now we just get double and chicken big Mac’s every other month (maybe sometimes the big tasty).
Beartato4772@reddit
Delivery I think is an underrated component in the decline of both the quality and speed of almost any place at does it.
ZawMFC@reddit
Wimpy.
slip_cougan@reddit
Ah, a blast from the past
Beartato4772@reddit
Which is aggressively expanding.
thetapeworm@reddit
It says a lot when even the chap from Rate My Takeaway ends on a low, he's notorious for giving high scores for bang average stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCtc2jtlubU
I don't recall ever having a decent Wimpy but they were never really a thing around my neck of the woods growing up and then when I did try it I went for a bendy sausage which was just weird.
Metal_Octopus1888@reddit
Regretfully I’ve never set foot in Yo! Sushi despite always meaning to at some point. No conveyor belt? That sucks… don’t restaurants (or businesses in general) know what fun things like that are anymore?
I rarely eat out anyway but I’d say Burger King seems to have gone downhill quite a bit, the prices are astronomical now. Not eaten there in years, used to be the best especially with the “new” fries they launched around 20 years ago (only lasted a few years). Subway as well… I want a footlong for 5 quid otherwise I’m not going back.
CooroSnowFox@reddit
The belts have been brought back in the last year or so... it was just for a time for Covid and they seem to be moving back, or doing a mixture of Belt and ordering specially from the APP for non-sushi things.
Beartato4772@reddit
Yeah I walked past one at the weekend thinking this and there was clearly a belt running.
drbrdrb@reddit
I had a disappointing experience at Wagamama’s recently. Went to one at Heathrow whilst waiting for my flight and got some sort of steak and mixed veg dish. The steak was tough, thin and flavourless. Complete waste of £20. Not sure if this is representative of other branches or not!
Beartato4772@reddit
I don't think I'd judge any chain based on an airport branch to be honest.
oalfonso@reddit
And Wagamama is still the best option to lunch at Heathrow T5.
Kitchner@reddit
To be fair I never order steak unless it's at a dedicated steak place. The truth is 80% of British customers don't know what a good steak is and most chains don't cook the steaks from scratch.
Pasta is sort of the same, unless it's a good Italian place I don't bother with pasta. I can cook drum wheat pasta from scratch and make a sauce at home and it will taste better and cost way less than eating out.
oalfonso@reddit
If you aren't a dedicated steak place, then the option is Wetherspoons. They are going to sell you the same meat, cooked the same way and for half the price.
CooroSnowFox@reddit
Try going to one that is not attached to an airport, they do seem extra focused on getting out ASAP and really maybe not the best.
But even saying that it's maybe somewhere you have to time it right as sometimes the noodles are a bit disappointing and what's around is maybe thrown onto... maybe just how they cook it.
springsomnia@reddit
McDonald’s. Dodgy work practices and funding genocide.
GroupCurious5679@reddit
Finally some mention of their genocide funding. We stopped going after they discontinued the chicken legend prioritised deliveries over everyone else, and our decision was confirmed again when the whole gaza thing resurfaced. Haven't been there since and don't miss it either.
springsomnia@reddit
Same here. Haven’t had any since August 2023. Don’t miss it at all!
Daniellecabral@reddit
KFC
Electronic-Sea1858@reddit
Chiquitos! The 1st time I'd ever tried a chimichanga was in there and absolutely loved it. Now it's practically shut down with only a few locations remaining. Sad times.
Fluffy_Cantaloupe_18@reddit
McDonald's - seriously hiked the prices up and now have to wait for a bland burger impacted by shrinkflation and cold fries. There was something about getting instantly served with a burger that had been sat in the heated cabinet for a few minutes. I used to like it when it was cheap, cheerful and a bit dirty. It is none of those things anymore.
Pizza Express - used to be like an upmarket Pizza Hut, now suffered the same fate as others of being stingy with ingredients and seriously marking up both food and drink.
Agree with others that have said Subway, KFC and Pizza Hut.
Nando's was never good so not a fair contender.
v2marshall@reddit
Frankie and bennys or Pizza Hut restaurants
MyChemicalBarndance@reddit
Leon is fucking god awful. The portion sizes are like miniature facsimiles of what an actual portion that would feed a person looks like. Also they are run in a decrepit, depressing manner. Was at the one in Leeds train station and there was one depressed looking staff member who had to fire up the grill from scratch as there were no customers willing to pay almost a tenner for a sorry little burger - until I came along. I could have nipped to Sainsburys across the way and gotten three times as much food for the same price.
royalblue1982@reddit
It can be hard to answer this fairly because our memories play tricks with us. Were these places actually good in the past - or did we just enjoy them more when going to them as teenagers/young adults when the whole experience was still new and exciting?
Someone put that Yo Sushi now only has 'supermarket quality' sushi - but how long has Sushi been in supermarkets?
nd1online@reddit
Sushi has been in supermarkets over 20 years already. I worked in Tesco doing fresh food stock control way back in 2002 and I remember we sold sushi set in the sandwiches area. Granted it was only maybe 2 or 3 different options but they were definitely there
MicroDyke@reddit
I used to quite like the Tesco's sushi in a meal deal, but it's horrendous now! Dry and horrible!
el29@reddit
I did a report on Japan when I was early teens so 20+ years ago and my grandma got me sushi from M&S so we could eat it and write about it. -10/10 gross don’t recommend to a friend. Put me off fish for Eva
Ayanhart@reddit
The main thing that's ruined Yo! for me has been how they've changed the fundamental dining experience.
The removed the whole conveyor belt thing during the covid period, which was fine at the time, but then they never brought it back after. It completely changes the feel, having to order specific items and not just grab whatever was drifting past on the belt.
cornflakegirl658@reddit
They still have the conveyor belt for a lot of restaurants
Ayanhart@reddit
It's used in a very different way now though. You order and they send it to you on the conveyor vs bowls being placed on there that you can take freely.
Siorray@reddit
The one by me works like it used to! If you order anything they just bring it to you directly, but you can grab anything off the belt.
Bilbo_Buggin@reddit
Our local one closed during that time too. It was a pretty big Yo Sushi, so it made sense to close it if they were in any financial trouble, but it was really good with a great atmosphere. Haven’t been to another since.
No-Floor-7083@reddit
Memories definitely play tricks with us, everything in the past always seems rose tinted. In respect to food though, as someone who's worked in restaurants in the UK and also been able to compare things to the Czech Republic, the UK restaurant standards from when I was working were terrible between 2007 and 2012 in comparison to what exists in the Czech Republic today.
In the UK for some restaurants that exist in most high streets, a lot of the food would be made in a central factory and sent out to be microwaved in the restaurants, I'm talking things like beef bourguignon, onion soup, mussels etc. The steaks, sausages everything else would come in frozen and go onto the grill (no problem with frozen food, but this stuff was processed with poor ingredients and frozen). Almost no cooking occurred in the restaurants. The staff who I worked with there wouldn't eat the free staff meals at a restaurant which was seen by the locals as posh.
Compared to the Czech Republic, most stuff comes in fresh and is prepared by cooks on premises at a lot of restaurants. There are definitely restaurants here where the majority of stuff is frozen, but not to the same level. In the UK, most restaurants seem to be chain owned (think one chain controlling most high street italian, french and other restaurants), whilst in the Czech Republic there seems to be many more family/individually run places. Turnover in the Czech Republic is massively higher too, everyone gets meal vouchers from their employer which they can use in the restaurants meaning they are almost all full at lunch time.
Then there's the actual quality of the raw ingredients, I think stuff in the UK is much more processed in other countries, and I think that's one of the main reasons for the high level of endocrine disruption that you see in the general population. I think the quality of the ingredients means there's not a lot of difference between supermarket and restaurant food, and a lot of people in the UK can't tell the difference between high quality naturally produced ingredients and recipes and stuff which is mass produced.
royalblue1982@reddit
It just comes down to the cost of ingredients and running a restaurant. They are obviously far lower in Czechia, so they can afford to buy things in fresh and cook as you describe. I remember getting amazing meals out in the most touristy parts of Prague for £10.
British restaurants are partially a product of large companies profit maximising, but it's also just a reality that no one else can afford to compete with their economies of scale and provide decent food at less than £20 a head.
No-Floor-7083@reddit
Yeah that's absolutely right, it seems as if there's some vicious cycle that I can't describe. Costs in the UK are huge though, and I think that the problem is going to be rents and business rates like council tax etc. I don't remember what the number was, but at the restaurant where I worked we had to make huge amounts of money to break even. I also worked at a few individual places, and even though they were offering good food at good prices they shut down in a very touristy town in the UK.
bcs00002@reddit
Even Asda and Aldi have sushi in them.
Mouse2662@reddit
Tbf the asda in my town has the highest rated sushi and it's genuinely really good stuff
bcs00002@reddit
Oh yeah it's absolutely fine. Thing with sushi is the fresher the better and due to them being a massive chain and being heavily scrutinized for food hygiene standards you can basically guarantee it's fresh. The salad on the other hand....
CooroSnowFox@reddit
It's been a recent that you have sushi sections in some supermarkets (especially with chain restaurants doing supermarket stuff, Greek, Prezzo, Pizza Express..)
forfar4@reddit
I remember getting sushi from Sainsbury's in that hotbed of sophisticated cosmopolitan hedonism that is... Er... Oldbury in the West Midlands in 2000, so "sushi in supermarket" is at least nearly a quarter of a century as a thing.
Qrbrrbl@reddit
There's literally a Yo! Sushi counter in my local Tesco
CooroSnowFox@reddit
Was trying to remember if Yo! was one of them going into supermarkets, not really seen one near me, but ASDA has a sushi counter around here...
TargetOk6288@reddit
That will be Panku, which is owned by Yo!
ignatiusjreillyXM@reddit
Yo Sushi used to supply sushi to Sainsbury's, about 20 Years ago. Though the stuff that Waitrose sold around the same time was in another league entirely.
Michaelh12345@reddit
I think part of the issue is that the decor in most of these places haven’t been freshened up (covid losses I suspect) and the prices have all gone through the roof. So when we visit now it feels like you’re getting much less from your money in a dreary place with tatty furniture and fittings. Staffing is also an issue and I suspect most of these people will employ anyone who walks through the door and accepts the minimum wage offering.
simmeh-chan@reddit
I agree with Yo! Sushi. It's just not the same at all, especially now there's plenty of alternatives.
LOTSOFLETTERS4U2READ@reddit
Chi - maybe not as big as other names, but a few years ago their menu was HUGE and had so much variety and everything tasted amazing. Now the menu is literally a 10th of the size… and tbh… not as nice. No idea what’s happening
Signal-Cheesecake-34@reddit
Pret.
Hear me out
I used to go in my college days regularly around 2010. It felt like there was effort put into it by the staff.
Now it just feels generic coffee shop.
amsegall@reddit
I preferred Eat. Then pret bought it, closed them all down. Sad times
viscount100@reddit
Eat had great bloomer sandwiches.
viscount100@reddit
I don't know how, but their soups went from "quite good" to "watery tosh".
WealthMain2987@reddit
Never understood the hype for pret. Is it more of a symbol thing? Their sandwiches and coffee weren't very nice.
Prices aside, their morning porridge used to be super tasty
jlb8@reddit
If you eat at service stations a lot their Niçoise salad is just about passable enough and doesn’t make you feel like fat man scoop.
WealthMain2987@reddit
Lol @ fat man scoop reference
tmr89@reddit
Pret are greedy and their food is basic and shit. Prices went up an inflation-busting 40% over two years and they cut down the portion sizes to the bare minimum. Tuna baguette, for example, has 3 slices of cucumber and a wafer thin spread of tuna mayo, in a stale baguette, and it’s almost a fiver.
sophosoftcat@reddit
Skimpflation has hit pret hard. The only thing they had going for them was reliable quality, it’s flabbergasting to watch a company willingly turn to crap like this.
Efficient_Chance7639@reddit
Yeah, they need to innovate. They’ve had the same 5 or 6 sandwiches on the menu for at least 10 years now
slip_cougan@reddit
Appalling coffee, Absolutely shit over-priced food. The juices are a total rip-off now. I worked at a site in Mayfair London, there used to be an amazing Italian cafe where you could get amazing cheap food and great coffee. They had to shut as the landlord of the building put their rent up to such an extent it was no longer viable. Only other place to eat around there was Pret on Buckingham Palace Road. I resented spending my money in there.
Wetkittennoses@reddit
I used to love Pret and still try it now and again in case it’s how I remember it but usually end up disappointed. The chicken and avocado sandwich was great before but now it’s often very dry and doesn’t have as much filling as it used to, yet the price is ridiculous.
charlescorn@reddit
Still the best choice if you like coffee being practically thrown at you.
tonification@reddit
I don't think Pret has changed much since the 1990s, except for getting more expensive. I think it's just got more rivals now so it seems worse.
Sea_Coast9517@reddit
I still like some of their food, but I can't justify the cost these days.
peachandbetty@reddit
OK the flip side, about 10 years ago the Harvester went down a dark path and started adding trendy shit to their menu like grilled watermelon steaks.
I went there 2 years ago and was pleasantly surprised at the quality. Especially that rotisserie chicken and the sage and onion fries. I've been back once a month since snd the quality is consistently good. Recommend.
No_Arm_7761@reddit
The breakfasts are great too
Savings-Carpet-3682@reddit
Harvester.
Used to be a great place for a meal, ticked a lot of the boxes and the salad bar was great. They had a proper steak grill there and the menu was fairly decent for its size.
Then they went stingy with the salad bar and started Wetherspoons-ing a lot of the things on the menu.
Went the same way as all the other chain restaurants, started serving any old bullshit for full restaurant prices.
decentlyfair@reddit
We used to there a lot, husband liked the ribs and I loved the salad bar. Last time I went it was trash and expensive. We used the same one so it was noticeable. Took my daughter for lunch there and it was 40 quid errmmm no thanks.
Unusual-Art2288@reddit
Most chains ethier failed or lost customers because they started o use cheaper ingreidents increased prices and the food was not as good. So people stayed home.
The_Hypnotic_Scot@reddit
Given the range of comments, I think it’s safe to safe to say; standards have fallen and prices have risen right across the food industry.
MrPogoUK@reddit
I’m don’t think the quality of the gold has changed too much as Yo Sushi, but the price has gone nuts; it’s now more than the proper Japanese sushi restaurant in town which is loads better in quality
wittypokemon@reddit
I ordered the fire cracker rice a few months back and what I got was just rice and red cabbage with so much soy on it that it pooled at the bottom of the bowl, no idea wtf happened there. Never been back since.
oalfonso@reddit
Sushi is one of the biggest ripoffs everywhere. Pick one of the cheapest ingredients ( boiled rice ), put an small piece of protein on each portion and sell it at fillet mignon price.
Because here we aren't talking about a gourmet Sushi made by a Japanese master in Osaka.
jmiesterz@reddit
I was shocked when I went to Japan and found the sushi was actually very reasonably priced, even at tsukiji fish market, where people were queuing round the corner for a seat. That and the fact the food was so filling that we both went down to two meals a day and always felt full.
The experience kind of ruined sushi for me, knowing I’ll never have as good as what I had then.
KyleOAM@reddit
A huge part of that is going to be how favourable the exchange rate between the pound and the yen is
It’s a great time to visit Japan at the moment, the pound has so much purchasing power over there
saccerzd@reddit
That's why I'm flying out for the first time in 6 days :)
Bilbo_Buggin@reddit
Same, went in 2019 and haven’t been in a Yo Sushi since. Partly cos it’s closed down here but it is very expensive now too.
sophosoftcat@reddit
Have you ever cooked rice for sushi? That shit is laborious haha. And sushi grade fish has to be fresh af/frozen at source, so it’s not totally “any old protein”. I do agree tho some restaurants can calm down a bit with the prices tho!
WarmTransportation35@reddit
Honestly I see it as a snack than an healthy lunch.
tak0wasabi@reddit
No way it’s the same…. In the 1990s when they had the robot waiters, the sushi was absolutely top drawer and they would make any fish you wanted. Now it’s chips and salmon makis. Complete fall from grace.
Pornthrowaway78@reddit
A one person meal there is now at least £20, probably£30 if you don't want to be immediately hungry.
Many_Lemon_Cakes@reddit
Go sushi mania instead and get the unlimited sushi
WarmTransportation35@reddit
They should switch their business model to sushi buffet so they can make the same amount of money and people feel like they are getting value for money.
Spid1@reddit
I've always thought it was quite expensive, even back around 2008/09 when I used to have it regularly, because you'd get 5-6 plates coming up to £20ish and it wasn't that filling but I liked it.
Not really been much in the past few years though
WarmTransportation35@reddit
Every time I see their boxes and prices, I imagine how Itsu is consideraboly cheaper for the same thing.
decentlyfair@reddit
I avoid chains these days as I think they are overpriced for what you get. I went to the Botanist or might have been Alchemist and a vegan platter was best part of 20 quid and most of it was dry and unpleasant and the things they put on it didn’t go together. The whole meal was expensive and not worth it. For me it isn’t simply about cost as I will pay for good food but object to pay a lot for nastiness or mediocre food.
dpk-s89@reddit
What I've learnt from this thread is that a significant amount of chain restaurants have upped their prices but reduced their quality. Why have we accepted this?
GavinF83@reddit
I don’t think people have accepted this. It’s no coincidence that a number of the restaurants mentioned here have gone into administration or are on the brink of it.
I’m sure the owners will blame Covid, market conditions or the financial crisis though rather than blaming themselves.
External-Bet-2375@reddit
I don't accept it, I don't eat at any of these chains now.
Valuable_Pudding7496@reddit
By and large people don’t accept it, they stop going and the business goes bust
Throwaway91847817@reddit
Yo sushi no longer uses the conveyor belt? Thats upsetting. Thats their whole USP.
wardyms@reddit
One of the differences between Yo Sushi now and 15 years ago was they did loads of authentic options that they don’t do now.
DelectablyDull@reddit
Subway...
I miss the days of £1.99 sub of the day and £5 footlongs.
bethelns@reddit
Pizza express used to be good for the posh end of resturant food, where you could usually get the deal for off peak time. Went recently and it was very mid.
Wino3416@reddit
Everywhere is shit now. The only places worth going to are small, independent Chinese/Thai/Indian places, and having a takeaway. Or going balls out and going to a “proper” restaurant. The mid range options in the UK are shit. We don’t do things very well, do we? We ruin everything.
External-Bet-2375@reddit
Plenty of good independent mid-range eateries around here, there's no reason to ever go to a chain.
Wino3416@reddit
Where do you live? I agree tbf i think i was in a mood when I wrote my post. After I wrote it I remembered there’s at least 3 lovely family run mid range restaurants in my town!
External-Bet-2375@reddit
Shrewsbury, West Midlands. It's not a huge town but there are lots of good places to eat at various price levels.
Wino3416@reddit
I know Shrewsbury! My sister lives there. Loads of nice restaurants you’re spot on!
sangreblue@reddit
Subway by far. The last 7 years have been downhill only
fussyfella@reddit
Carluccio's When it first appeared it was a breath of fresh air on the Italian restaurant scene. Then it opened lots of new places of variable quality but some still good. Then Antonio sold up but stayed involved for a bit, finally his health got too bad (and sadly died). Finally they went bust but the brand was sold out from Administration and it is now a shadow of its original form.
SuperHornyBadgerz@reddit
Yo sushi has always been terrible
kunstlich@reddit
Sumo Sunday all you can eat for £20; I'll take whatever terrible sushi was on the belt and shovel it straight in. Not at all surprising they don't do that any more.
SuperHornyBadgerz@reddit
Most likely it was left overs from Friday and Saturday 😂
kunstlich@reddit
Mondays afterwards were a bit of a task, whether its three day old sushi or the sheer volume who knows haha
SuperHornyBadgerz@reddit
Probably both factors combined 😂
Jacktheforkie@reddit
McDonald’s, overpriced, long wait and poor quality
Air-Flo@reddit
The wait times at McDonald's are ridiculous now. Even more ridiculous is sometimes you can see your order sitting there but nobody goes to pick it up for 10 minutes. Sometimes I've gone up to ask for it and they've looked at my receipt and just turned around, maybe grumbled "yeah that's coming" then walked off as if it's not literally sat behind them.
But I think I've just come to expect that of people who are getting paid fuck all anyway, so I can hardly blame them for just not caring much. It's McDonald's themselves who need to sort out a more efficient ordering system instead of leaving people stood there for ages when they're ordering something which doesn't take long to do.
Jacktheforkie@reddit
Yeah, I was recently in Wisconsin and the longest wait I had at any restaurant was 15 minutes, and that was at a busy one so they were forgiven
tmr89@reddit
Exactly. Speed used to be the great thing, but now you have to wait for the dilveroo drivers to get their sacks of food and often you stand there at least 5 minutes. Miss the days you could just grab a double cheeseburger and the cheese would actually be melted
Jacktheforkie@reddit
My latest visit I waited 45 minutes, it’s literally faster and cheaper to go to a proper restaurant, the US does fast food right, Culvers in Wisconsin I rarely waited more than 5 minutes
Air-Flo@reddit
45 minutes??? You didn't go up to them and ask what's going on? I would have simply asked for a refund.
Jacktheforkie@reddit
I did but no one knew
Horror_Barracuda_562@reddit
I don’t think Maccies want to be a walk in place anymore, if they could bin it off to just deliveroo/drive thru they would. Walk ins seem absolutely bottom of the ladder, last to be served and you end up eating perched next to a bunch of dodgy looking delivery drivers trying to groom kids.
rabbles-of-roses@reddit (OP)
There's a halal knock-off McDonald's close to me now that has basically copied their menu but somehow for a cheaper price and higher quality. Their delivery timing is outstanding. I've never had delivery fries that were still too hot to eat on arrival. I don't know how they do it, and I hope that they never change.
Handesh20@reddit
What is this restaurant, sounds amazing!
rabbles-of-roses@reddit (OP)
Smart Buns. They’ve got two branches in north London and a new one in Leicester. I order from the Wood Green one.
Handesh20@reddit
Will have to visit the next time I’m in London! I wish we had stuff like this up North!
rabbles-of-roses@reddit (OP)
The Wood Green at least has pretty limited seating, it's more a delivery or grab/go place.
Few-Department-6263@reddit
Wow where abouts do you live. Sounds amazing
rabbles-of-roses@reddit (OP)
Smart Buns, Wood Green.
Jacktheforkie@reddit
Nice
fussyfella@reddit
Yo! have brought the conveyor belt back now in a lot of outlets as I think they realised their mistake. Still not as good as they were, but you can at least watch the chefs preparing stuff before it goes on the belt. Their made to order things are IMO pretty meh these days and as you say now pretty expensive (but it always was relatively).
biffman98@reddit
Read the title I thought yo sushi! Went away to Cambridge this year with my fiancée and we used to go when we first got together 4 years ago. We had a bit of a habit of going as when I went to meet her in Uni we’d both have discount and we loved it. Fast forward 4 years we paid 50 quid for two of us, got genuinely fuck all for that amount. The food is now fine and the price is total extortion.
Competitive_Cry7296@reddit
You’ll be pleased to hear it’s now shut down!
biffman98@reddit
Was only 3 months ago we went, was awful
RollingandJabbing@reddit
While not in the same vein as Yo Sushi, F&B TGI'd etc McDonalds. It was nevr great, but at least it was cheap so it made it acceptable. Now it's no longer cheap, why wouldn't I go to a better burger place for £2-3 more?
Air-Flo@reddit
I think McDonald's is still good if things are cooked properly. It's lost a lot of consistency otherwise. I can't remember exactly what I was watching when looking through the kitchen, but I just remember seeing someone do something and thinking it either looked wrong, or sloppy, or like they were skipping a step, or leaving things to overcook despite the beeper going off. Other times I've had McDonald's which seems perfectly cooked and tastes amazing, so I know it can be done.
The worst part for me is just how damn long it takes to get food. I don't know how their internal system works, but it seems like it doesn't matter if you order something big or something small, you're still going to be stood waiting 10-15 minutes every time.
But to make matters worse, I've seen my order sat on the shelf for the duration of that time before someone finally picks it up and brings it over. How does that even happen? What is the computer telling them in order for them to just ignore it and then suddenly go to pick it up? Surely, if someone's ordered just one thing which takes seconds to do, and it's sat there, it makes sense to hand it over ASAP instead of leaving people standing around? Sometimes I have an impulse to go to McDonald's just to get a McFlurry then I remember I'll be stood there for 15 minutes while the thing melts into a foam.
saccerzd@reddit
The fries are always cold
CooroSnowFox@reddit
I mean i still go for McDonalds as it fills a hole... if I wanted to go for more it has to be attached to a reason that I could go to like Five Guys or another place that I can get burgers from.
wildOldcheesecake@reddit
But the thing is, it fills a hole for an hour or so at best. For the price it is now, I may as well go elsewhere. Five guys is more expensive yes, but I’m left feeling stuffed for a while. I get the little burger with as many extras as I please with fries to share. Pretty decent tbh
Jacobeaumont@reddit
Personally disagree, I can get 4 McDonald’s burgers with chips for cheaper than one burger from five guys. And enjoy it much more.
CooroSnowFox@reddit
Each to their own, it does me good for a while with what I get, maybe overpacking at times... Five Guys is an extra effort to get to so that is part of how McDonalds does it easier for me...
RollingandJabbing@reddit
Same here, I still occasionally go. It's still the easy choice as I know what I'll be getting. In general as well the chicken selects are consistently pretty good
patscott_reddit@reddit
I've given up on them completely, the price is bonkers and since the whole deliveroo thing the waiting times and queues are absurd.
For the same price as a maccys meal I can go to wetherspoons and have a better plate of food and a pint for pretty much the same price and often the service there is quicker.
kunstlich@reddit
They've redesigned loads of their restaurants near me to effectively prioritise deliveroo/ubereats and it's quite hostile to the walk in punters, lots of seating is gone. Waiting times are stupid long, too. I know they don't want to do it because of cost but I wish they'd start up ghost kitchens and direct all the delivery traffic there instead.
MiserableAttention38@reddit
What mcds gets right is the basic food is predictable. Yes the price has gone up, but it's still a big saving compared to a real burger chain. What I don't care for is the endless changing menu, sides, the plasticky wipe clean restaurant interior and the push to track you with their app. Oh and the service is very patchy. I mostly use the drive thru and have to check every item before leaving
Duke0fWellington@reddit
For me, Maccies is at its best with the cheap stuff. The "premium" burgers are all shite. Wrap of the day + a cheeseburger. It's fine, edible, and less than £4. It's someone cooking you something hot and it's cheaper than a meal deal. Plus the 2 slices of cucumber in the wrap make it feel healthier lol.
David_is_dead91@reddit
They’ve altered the recipes for their burgers recently and I do think they’ve improved, but of course it depends on how fresh they are and the location.
ViperishCarrot@reddit
This is the flip for me, I used to enjoy a double cheeseburger now and then, but they're awful now.
sirgreyskull@reddit
Pretty much all of them. Especially Wagamama.
Deep_Banana_6521@reddit
wagamama.
I used to go as a teenager with my friends and it never felt like i was breaking the bank and always filled us up. but as an adult I just haven't felt it's worth it. The menu feels worse than ever now, with less options and more expensive. I think whatever impact covid had on the company or their focus on vegan food took them into a place where it's rubbish now.
LitmusPitmus@reddit
GBK
although not sure if that's better independent burger places popped up or it actually became shit. Remember loving it hard 15 years ago
TheKnightsTippler@reddit
Used to have really interesting burgers that you hadnt seen before, but now their menu is pretty basic.
I think the pandemic really fucked them, because they changed the menu then and never seemed to bring back the variety they had before.
Real_Palpitation_728@reddit
It was the best place in the early days of the burger revolution. They did an amazing panko fried chicken with satay sauce burger. It’s no longer on the menu and it’s overpriced and shit now… just money men and woman milking a brand for all it’s worth
TheKnightsTippler@reddit
They used to do a really nice burger that had a slice of fresh beetroot in.
811545b2-4ff7-4041@reddit
Oh lordy, those satay burgers were fantastic.
Real_Palpitation_728@reddit
Ohhhhh lawd
SlippersParty2024@reddit
I remember when it first opened in Brighton, it was really good, had a great falafel burger for us non-carnivores and you'd get a big portion of fries. Then, and I kid you not, it wasn't even like a year or two later, the burgers SHRUNK, and the portion of fries SHRUNK even more, but the prices went up.
I stopped going.
Places like that deserve to lose customers.
giblets46@reddit
With some of the chains going downhill, I wonder how much is them going downhill, or the competition just leaving them behind?! TGI Fridays used to be cool and exciting back in the 90s (maybe as I was in my early teens). Went back in late 00’s and it seemed overpriced then for what you got. Frankie and Bennys was/ is the same ‘New York Italian’….. burgers, pasta, pizza, steak… all done better by Italian, pizza or Burger places.
On a similar vein… planet Hollywood. Hard Rock Cafe… too (though I’ve one experience in the London Branch in the late 80s IIRC
sophosoftcat@reddit
I don’t know about you but I splash my cash a lot more readily as an adult than I did when I was a teen, so the fact that everyone has the feeling TGI is no longer worth it means it must have declined.
Like, if I spent 20 quid on a dinner out back in the day and remember it being amazing, but now I spend 40 and it’s shit, this feels like more than just rose tinted glasses.
CooroSnowFox@reddit
Both TGI and F&B are trying to do all that you can probably find other places
Wildwoods exists (or did) and they did a mix but they're not doing to well to keep places open... (they did really nice steak)
Solid-Cockroach7399@reddit
Pizza Express!! massive increase in prices over the last few years, all whilst the ingredients became lower quality. Such a let down as it used to be a nice, not too expensive place to go for dinner. And whilst not a concern for most, the vegan range they offer has been slowly slimmed down and is disapointing.
Darkerscr@reddit
Pretty sure Yo sushi had a massive legal thing about the food. How it was made and stored and left on those little belts for hours and hours . That's why they've disappeared
Hot_Price_2808@reddit
I've recently went to TGI Fridays and I remember going when I was younger so it might just be nostalgia blindness but the quality of food was premium prices for McDonald's quality for two people it cost about 70, also wetherspoons has gone down massively in quality but it's dirt cheap so I can't really complain.
Rocker_86@reddit
Not seen this talked about yet... However in my opinion loads of chains have been destroyed by trying to cater to everyone. Yo! Sushi had a great menu but then came the vegan, vegetarian and gluten free options that resulted in the "normal" menu halving. I understand people with specific dietary.. er "choices" want to eat out but I'm unsure if those people would want to go somewhere like a burger place or whatever. It's something I've often wondered... How much of the fake meat vegan products do some of these places really sell.
any_fisherman7347@reddit
Not a restaurant, but a comment above on Pret, made me think of Costa. I used to love the food selection! Would be able to get some great lunches for work there. I am dead certain there was a super nice Thai green curry and rice pot (feels like a distant memory).
Ever since they got bought out by coca cola, they have been absolutely shit - food and drinks wise. Food selection is so boring and bland. No variety either.
simpleton394@reddit
KFC
I went to try to get a meal from KFC, the place has TOTALLY changed.
I'm SPECIAL NEEDS, elderly, and not capable of using this touchscreen junk they have now. One of the humans employed by that company was about to help me then she spotted a discarded Poppy lying on the ground which she tried to hand to me, which I refused (who knows where the filthy thing had been? Plus ew COVID-19 risk, plus ew it's been on the ground!)
She starts ranting at me about that being for “the soldiers” and treating me like a non-human non-entity not of this planet. (I know what the poppy is a symbol of, my maternal grandfather was in the Merchant Navy.) That rankled first, but the fact that she was being so unprofessional, just made me really uncomfortable.
I replied, “if you think I'm touching that filthy thing, you've got another thought coming! Furthermore, I'm a pacifist. I don't believe in fighting, I believe in using words. Just forget whatever I was trying to order, I'm out of here.” and I turned on my heel and marched out of there.
I haven't been back since, and I have ZERO intentions of going back. That stupid company needs to train its staff properly.
Numerous_Lynx3643@reddit
I mean the KFC staff member may have assumed you dropped the Poppy? Also - UberEats/Deliveroo/Just Eat are all takeaway services - how the hell would they know if you have a sunflower lanyard?
simpleton394@reddit
she/it wasn't referring to them companies for that part. no need to be so damn nasty. your ugly words just earned you a one way trip onto my blocklist goodbye
elysianfieldsavenue@reddit
I don’t know if Chiquitos has ever been rated but last time I went (dragged on work night out), I ordered bone-in chicken and it tasted like it had been microwaved. I couldn’t eat it. I’m not a fussy eater but I won’t eat microwaved bone-in chicken.
InevitablePerfect762@reddit
Might be a hot take but for me it's Wagamamas. The quality has gone down and the prices are too expensive for what you get in my opinion. Used to love going there with friends but don't get the same experience out of it anymore...
thetapeworm@reddit
Agreed, yet every time I walk past the branch near me people are queuing out of the door for a (shared) table, there are a range of far superior independents in the area and it pains me to see them with tables free and Wagamama so busy... but it means I can get in at least.
Fun_Anybody6745@reddit
Agree. I was at uni in London in the 00s and Wagamamas was really good. I now live near a branch and it’s dire. I’ve always loved the ginger chicken udon but the last time I had it, it was awful - lukewarm noodles, a few bits of livery-tasting chicken thigh, huge chunks of almost raw onion and almost no ginger. It’s really expensive too, you’re easily looking at £50/£60 for two main, two sides and two drinks.
Throwawayhey129@reddit
Defo Frankie and bennies, literally get a serving dish size of spaghetti on the kids menu
Tiny_Major_7514@reddit
Most that have fallen off haven't come as a shock, but as healthy eating and economy grow in importance, subway's demise has shocked me. To me, its just so complicated to order there now. I genuinely have no idea what the menu and options mean anymore and it's so expensive for a sandwhich where they've got rid of half the salad ingredients and replaced it with a bunch of unhealthy microwaved trash.
Howthehelldoido@reddit
I think this is nearly every chain restaurant these days. (except the big ones like Burger king and McDonald's)
Capatalism forces them to make as much money as possible, so they cut corners where the can, and that means lower wages, so newer staff and lower quality ingredients. They can't really cut much else.
So then, the quality drops, and eventually they close because they chase the money over everything. It's so frustrating.
DavidDunn2@reddit
I would argue that Burger King and McDonalds taste like shit compared to 15 years ago
slip_cougan@reddit
McD's has always been a bit crap. Nice while you are eating, then you have the aftertaste for the rest of the day which I've always disliked.
Burger King has fallen off a cliff with regards to quality and taste, let alone value for money. It was always dearer than Micky D's but at least you got a decent burger in 'the old days'
shinneui@reddit
Perhaps it depends on the branch?
I often get YO! Takeout often as they have a really good deal, and it's delicious. Supermarket sushi doesn't get anywhere close to it.
Numerous_Lynx3643@reddit
They also have YO! Counters in Tesco now, which means ironically they are now supermarket sushi lol
Erinawful@reddit
I agree, there used to be a time you could get ami ebi and tobiko/ikura, not just normal run of the mill tuna and salmon. I knew it wasn't the best sushi but it was OK for a quick bite, but now I wouldn't even entertain going in one after my last visit probably a year ago (convenience and only other option non greasy fast food option).
VeloBill@reddit
This thread is hilarious.
msully89@reddit
I went to YO! Sushi last month and it still had the conveyor belt, but no more sparkling water on tap at your table.
okiedokiecomputer@reddit
There's a spate of small chains that used to be incredible and are now just so disappointing.
Honest Burgers, Busaba Eathai, Comptoir Lebanese. All been destroyed by finance bros.
I haven't got much experience with them but suspect/hear Rosa Thai, Franco manca etc are or will also go the same way.
Of the bigger chains that were ok/decent but now dreadful I'd say Nandos, any of the burger places, Subway, in fact pretty much all restaurants have gone significantly downhill.
just_sophiee@reddit
Burger king. I went into one maybe a year ago. The lights were all off, apart from the kitchen, and when I opened the door, they turned the lights on just for me. It was like a time machine. The decor hadn't changed since the 80s or 90s. No fancy electronic screens with the menu, just a really old one with bulbs behind it. The tils were ancient. Everything was old. Very strange.
I add, this was a Saturday afternoon, but didn't havr any customers so kept lights off unless someone came in. Seems dodgy to me. How can a business stay afloat like that?
Pwnage_Hotel@reddit
GBK - when it had its original owners, its entire selling point was the “Gourmet” factor of super high quality New Zealand beef. The burgers were genuinely incredible meaty goodness.
First death was when they abandoned this model for cheaper beef.
Final nail was the recent sale and menu change. Eye watering prices, half the good options gone (no sweet potato fries), buns are awful, and they are trying to pivot towards smash burgers where the margins are presumably better. The local one near me is dead - never anyone in there.
Ironically, there is now a huge gap in the market for what GBK used to be - an actual high quality burger place.
jbkb1972@reddit
We used to go to an harvester about once a month, but the last time we went in there which was a couple of years ago we looked at the menu and none of us could see anything we wanted so left.
tak0wasabi@reddit
TGI Fridays. It was the treat of treats to go there for bottomless soft drinks, wings and potato skins when I was a kid. Took my own kids there recently and it was gross.
Jaded_End_850@reddit
KFC is now carrying ‘Junk’ status with me.
The recipe has definitely changed or been modified to suit some new objective but it’s horrible now
dharam_garam@reddit
Nando’s has gone down really. In quality and ambience and many give dump vibes.
Infamous-cilantro@reddit
All of them. They’re absolute garbage all the way from McDonald’s to places charging £100 a plate. I’ve actually given up. I have a few family owned pubs I go to and when I want a fancy meal, I make it myself. Might as well out my useless degree to use.
londongas@reddit
The first time I went to yo!Sushi I got up and left when I saw the crap coming up on the conveyor. That was around 10 years ago so I can't imagine how horrible it must be now.
sgbea_13@reddit
In my opinion, at least 50% of all chains need to shut down and die for the amount they charge for awful food, dirty buildings, and non-existent service. Took my wife and kid to McDs recently as we were late back from an outing and spent over £20 for 3 meals and a couple of ice creams after. Scandalous.
Oilfreeeggs@reddit
We were talking about this last night . We thought it was fancy go the granary in Peterborough which is a Beefeater, it had a big tree in the middle and like little houses on the first floor
. You used to get a fresh baked bread roll to eat whilst looking at the menu , it was nice grilled food and they had nice simple ice cream sundae desserts which we’re free of you got a starter and a main . Don’t live near there now but went to A beefeater recently and I got a puddler bit of salmon and about 8 chips , puddings were ridiculous and I just didn’t like the vibe
Remarkable-Ad155@reddit
I rarely eat at them often enough to have an opinion on which ones have relatively "fallen off" (not a flex, just live in a small place) but there's 2 that stick out as particularly overpriced shite;
Nando's: dry chicken, way overpriced, doesn't hold a candle to the kind of churrasco chicken you can get in Portugal for a fraction of the cost:
Carluccio's: absolute tasteless wank, the one in my nearest big town shut as it couldn't compete with the actual good independent Italian places there
MateoKovashit@reddit
You know it's south African right?
Remarkable-Ad155@reddit
The chain is South African, the concept of grilling chicken marinaded in a sauce made with piri piri arose when the Portuguese colonised Mozambique, which borders South Africa and (at one point at least) had a significant Portuguese immigrant community.
Per the "origin story" on Nando's website (emphasis mine);
https://www.nandos.com/heritage/our-story/
The logo is even the Barcelos cockerel:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooster_of_Barcelos
They also serve Super Bock beer and Pasteis de Nata. Oh, and "Nando"? Short for Fernando. Portuguese enough for you?
There are a shit ton of places that serve bbq chicken like this in Portugal, often called "churrasqueiras", and pretty much every one is a) cheaper and b) better than Nando's.
TheGreatBatsby@reddit
Obviously. But this is about UK chain restaurants.
It's not exactly reasonable to travel to Portugal for some cheaper, tastier chicken though, is it?
Gulbasaur@reddit
I dated an Italian about ten years ago who rated Carluccio's quite highly at the time. It was never amazing but given a choice of unexciting Italian chain restaurants, that was his favourite.
I think it ticked a box for him that it was reasonably authentic and reliable rather than great, though.
I don't think I've seen one that's actually still open recently.
animalwitch@reddit
There's at least one in Bristol and it's always busy. I've never been myself
coraIinejones@reddit
There’s one in Chester still open
CooroSnowFox@reddit
Carluccio's has pretty much disappeared entirely... again just other places did it better and crowded it out.
Nando's is an attraction, given the amount of attention they give to the looks of each restaurant (I know since I was working for them)... and after a while it's just chicken and heat and everything else is just basic additions (Chips, peas etc.)
Only thing I give them credit for is they made me aware or how nice Halloumi can be)
doveseternalpassion@reddit
How the hell do they make macho peas so, so good?
CooroSnowFox@reddit
Yeah that's probably the only part I miss from there... they are really nice... works better for me when mixed with other things, like taking some how and mixing it with pasta was a nice way to end a night.
Chunderdragon86@reddit
Burgerkingisadeoressungexpirencenowieasgoodatthturnofthmillenuinbusticketvouchershelpedmakeitpopular
mondeomantotherescue@reddit
Wagamama. I have a photo of my 8 year old kid in front of deep-fried spicy squid - a dish they still have on the menu. It was a heap of squid, generously portioned, well cooked. We used to share it. We go back with today, he's 16, still loves it. Its maybe 8 bits, lukewarm, and hardly any spice, and it's been that way several times. The brand just seems to have given up, it's just 'off' now, like a facsimile of itself.
Hawkinsinz@reddit
Completely agree about Yo!Sushi, and I used to work there
Whilst it was always a bit pricey and gimmicky they had a great selection. The menu has shrunk and the prices are ridiculous
hotchillieater@reddit
I'm not sure yo! was ever really that great. My wife used to work there about twelve years ago and it wasn't that good then. But it was cheaper
TheSecretIsMarmite@reddit
Not only is it an app based ordering system but it encourages you to add a tip when a conveyor belt brings you your food and you have minimal interaction with a human being. That was the last time I went in Yo Sushi. The conveyer belt was the only gimmick worth taking the kids for.
meesterdave@reddit
I've been in UK hospitality for 20 years, it's sad to see the decline of places I worked in and loved at their peak.
watsee@reddit
I remember going to Frankie and Benny's for the first time in my teens, about 15-20 years ago & being really impressed with it.
I'm not sure if its due to getting older & eating in much better places, or whether the place has just gone down the toilet, but I went to the branch in Bristol Airport just before covid-times and was quite honestly appalled.
The food was absolutely dire and the service was non-existent. It was literally a bunch of kids running around having a go at playing restaurant; some of the staff were also being extremely inappropriate with each other. Extremely.
I asked for my bill 4 times before getting pissed off as my flight was due to board & going to the waiter station to say "If you don't take payment for this meal right now I'm leaving for my flight" and got a real 'Kevin the Teenager' response from the spotty irk who I'd now forced to do some work.
The overall experience was bad enough for me to write a complaint email on my iPad whilst I was eating my meal. I got an insincere apology and a token £10 voucher as a response; as if I'd actually go back to another branch and use it.
bink_uk@reddit
I seem to remember KFC tasting quite different when I was a kid (like 20+ yrs ago) I swear something was changed from the 'secret recipe' of 11 herbs and spices and its now just a generic flour coating.
In fact they don't even mention the 11 herbs and spices these days.
Wilkox79@reddit
I genuinely don’t have a chain that I like going to anymore. The food is always bland, lacking any kind of standard and pretty much everything crap, they’re always under staffed and frankly I’m amazed that any of them are still in business
Since COVID most things just seem insanely expensive and largely unjustifiably so. Whenever we have money to spend on going out we always try and spend it at/with independent pubs/cafes/restaurants
braziliandarkness@reddit
I agree, but there is one chain I think is actually brilliant - Giggling Squid. It has the feel of an independent Thai restaurant and I've not had a bad dish there. Then again there are only about 15 outlets and concentrated around the South East. I really hope they don't try to expand too quickly and drop in quality.
ElectronicHeat6139@reddit
I pretty much got out of the habit of eating out during the lockdowns which coincided with taking on some responsibilities as a carer. I prefer eating at home now and I like my cooked food to be hot, even if it's just pasta or baked beans.
Familiar-Adeptness25@reddit
TGI. Loved it 20 odd years ago. Terrible now.
Sir-Beardless@reddit
Burger King.
Back in the day, the burgers tasted flame grilled, and the chips were coated in flavour.
Last time I had one, the burger was luke warm, and the chips were soggy mcdonalds copy cat chips.
CurmudgeonLife@reddit
Every time I have ordered burger king in the last 10 years it has arrived barely warm and full of gristle.
Sola-Nova@reddit
Greggs, the prices are a bit much now for what they offer. All savory pastries taste the same, All the pastries taste the same. Thier popularity effing astounds me.
The money that set alight for bonuses could have have gone to researching food to sell with actual flavour.
Their coffee though is one of the best from the chains though
Thekingchem@reddit
TGI. Cost us £90 for a two mains two deserts a side and two drinks
Tonytonitone1988@reddit
Yeah Yo Sushi is a let down these days. It used to be a very good experience. The food, “ table 9!!!” Would be shouted from the speaker with a Japanese, broken English twang when you pressed the button on your table which was always fun but in all honesty, most things in society have gotten worse.
DigitalAssets@reddit
I can't wait for TGI Fridays, Harvester, Frankies and Bennys, Yo Sushi and a few others to shut down
TRFKTA@reddit
As a coeliac and cider lover - The Stable.
It used to be known for having lots of different ciders available as well as very good gluten free pizzas for which you were charged no more than the normal pizzas.
When I last went (after they’d been bought by a new company) there were fewer ciders and I was charged a good few quid just for having an allergy when ordering a pizza.
AmaroisKing@reddit
Have you been to a Harvester before ?
AmaroisKing@reddit
I can’t even think of any chain restaurant option in the UK being any good any time.
StrongHeart2462@reddit
I went to Las Iguanas on Saturday and it was absolutely awful. It's never been great, and it's been about 10 years since I last went. But it was honestly one of the worst meals I've eaten.
There was basically one guy doing everything front of house wouldn't surprise me if he was making the food too!!
So I can only assume it was an overworked chef in the kitchen, with sub par ingredients and no motivation being on minimum wage.
Shame on these chains
Littleloula@reddit
Turtle Bay. It started from a much higher bar than most of the others mentioned here.
Also I find in most of the ones mentioned the vegan options are much higher quality. Less to go wrong perhaps
Apprehensive-Store48@reddit
I don't even know where to start. As someone counting the calories, I am at a loss at how so much of the food at a lot of these places are so calorific as well.
Best part of 1,500 calories for a veggie burger, and some fries. It doesn’t even fill you up either. You can make the same at home for half the amount of calories and be fuller. It just makes me wonder what on earth is going into this food. I don't tend to bother anymore as a result of it and stick to independent places unless it is a special or needs-must occasion.
Sorry, I know this wasn't necessarily the purpose of this post, but I felt like I needed to write something about this. So many chain restaurants are the same.
Littleloula@reddit
The salt astonishes me too. I'm so thirsty for about a day after
Royal-Reporter6664@reddit
How Ask Italian is still going is beyond me , never seen it even half full
Brief-Seaweed7756@reddit
Nandos.
mrlogicpro@reddit
Pizza hut
Consistent-Sea-410@reddit
TGIs. Utterly, utterly dreadful, and insanely expensive.
TheDragonDoji@reddit
Carluccios used to be worth it, about 2 years back the service was awful, food undercooked, lacking in quality and of course; overpriced.
They also produced shit coffee. An ITALIAN restaurant couldn't make a decent damn coffee.
CooroSnowFox@reddit
Carluccio's still exists?
Fiennes@reddit
There's one platform-side at St Pancras, London.
TheDragonDoji@reddit
I honestly don't know, the one near me shut down the same year of my last visit.
pleasedtoheatyou@reddit
In a way, for me it's Nandos.
The food is still the same but they used to fill that niche of "nicer than fast food but cheaper than a proper restaurant". They no longer fill the second half of that so I'm left wondering what the point of them is.
blackcurrantcat@reddit
I miss Fatty Arbuckles because my distorted 90s nostalgia tells me it was pretty good on the quiet.
Really tho, I hate to say this because it’s a new one but Turtle Bay. It was so good when it first opened.
Pen_dragons_pizza@reddit
Fatty Arbuckles was awesome, they would send me a birthday card each year which I think either came with a discount or a free ice cream.
st1478@reddit
Fatty Arbuckles was the one! The days when you were asked whether you wanted to sit in the smoking or Non smoking section haha
sellis80@reddit
Fatty Arbuckle’s is a blast from the past. Been to Turtle Bay in Brixton years ago. Food was okayish, cocktails really nice.
Ok-Advantage3180@reddit
Frankie’s and benny’s. Tbf I always had a bad experience there anyway but I know loads of other people who loved it and the restaurants were constantly packed and were everywhere, but now most of them have closed down
Thefdt@reddit
Nearly every chain restaurant was shit to begin with
TickingTiger@reddit
Bella Italia used to be quite nice but the last time I went the bolognese was worse than a budget supermarket ready meal.
red_nick@reddit
Decades ago I had a hoi sin duck pizza from there. It was glorious.
LibraRising14@reddit
I went on a date with a guy who worked for bella italia snd he said better to buy the co op lasagna then the one in bella.
Fruitpicker15@reddit
I worked for them and their most recent menu change involved streamlining it so that the range of fresh ingredients is smaller. Portion size and quality also reduced. A lot of it is frozen food that gets put in a dish and warmed up but that's not unique to Bella.
ClawedPaw@reddit
Hungry horse, the big plate specials used to be just that, now just small and awful.
InfiniteBaker6972@reddit
GBK. That place used to be really good. Burgers were good and fat, they did those amazing extra-skinny fries, they had that mad chilli-salt. Even the kids burgers were good. Now, it’s a shadow of its former self. Normal rubbish fries, no salt, limited mediocre burgers. I think it got bought by some huge beast of a faceless.
ApprehensiveAd318@reddit
Pizza Hut- used to be awesome and now is sub par. Gutted.
Stevemachinehk@reddit
Went to pizza express recently for the first time in years. Used to go there years ago in the 90s. Anyways this time is was so bad, pizza was soft and the pasta was overcooked. Never again
BananaHairFood@reddit
I’ve never been to Pizza Express where at least one person’s pizza/pasta hasn’t been burnt.
ShudderingPen@reddit
Pizza Express is awful now,not even a good choice of pizzas and way overpriced
LolaDeWinter@reddit
We went to a pizza express recently in an 'outlet vilage' burnt pizza, lousy service...May have been an off day but don't think I'll bother going back, also 'outlet village' WTF? Last seasons castoffs in random sizes, for a fiver off! Er.... nope!
Cholas71@reddit
Wimpy - as one of the original burger chains hasn't been able to impact like McD's and BK.
FrayedTendon@reddit
McDonalds is a husk of its former self. Happy meal toys are crap. Play areas have been replaced with ipads. "Fast food" is now a minimum 10 minute wait. You get moaned at if you want to pay a person on a till and not the big touch screen (we're not all teenagers we know how to talk to staff).
And the dreaded words at the drive through "can you park up for me" so you can bring out cold food when my lunch break is almost over? No thanks.
mrbadger2000@reddit
Wagamamma. Used to be real food. Sudden drop off a few years ago. Haven't been back since.
Certain-Trade8319@reddit
Waga is absolute dogshit now.
We used to enjoy going as a family, relatively cheap etc.
Their prices are now ridiculous for the portion sizes.
LJ161@reddit
As a mum - yo sushi comes in handy during the holidays cause they have a 'kids eat free when you spend £10' offer (or at least they did the last time I went) so I can have a couple of plates and my kid gets an entire bentonite box and is entertained by watching the conveyor belt and chefs.
That being said I'd never go there for any other purpose now days as its overpriced in my opinion.
specialdelivery88@reddit
I eat at Nobu whenever I am in the city. The prices has increased, £40 for my favourite lobster dry miso starter but it’s still an amazing dish. I’d advise people dismayed at Francine and Benny or KFC going downhill to try a better quality cuisine. You won’t be disappointed
nimpog@reddit
After Covid? harvester. I don’t like being followed around the salad bar by staff. And I just don’t think the food hits as good anymore
Schallpattern@reddit
Harrods Food Hall.
It's just not the same recently.
Bilbo_Buggin@reddit
I agree regarding Yo Sushi. My ex and I used to love it, that was only around 2017/18. But then our local closed and none of the other ones we went to seemed to be of the same standard. Such a shame cos it was really enjoyable. I’d like to throw the obvious Frankie and Bennys in too, as well as TGI Fridays and Subway!
ohsaycanyourock@reddit
Here to defend Yo Sushi 😆 my local one is always really nice! Yes you can get more authentic stuff elsewhere but I wouldn't call it 'supermarket standard' at all, it's always fresh and delicious. It's my go-to in town.
My choice is Bella Italia. The prices just keep going up and the food quality is going down; last time I had the Marco Polo duck pasta, the big chunks of duck they used to give you were replaced with tiny little flakes of duck in a sauce and I was so sad. Plus their revamp of the decor took away the cosy Italian feel, it's so much blander!
MyCatIsAFknIdiot@reddit
Deep Pan Pizza Co. Had THE best salad bar.
Unlimited and things like chicken wings, sausages, salami, etc
Died a death in late 90s/early 00s
RoseWhisperers@reddit
I feel you on that! Yo! Sushi used to be the pinnacle of “fancy” for us back in the day, and now it’s just a shadow of its former self. I’d say Pizza Hut is right up there too. As a kid, their buffet was a dream come true—unlimited pizza and breadsticks! Now, it feels like they’ve traded in that joy for overpriced personal pan pizzas. It’s like they forgot we just want to indulge without the fancy price tag! What’s next, a five-star Michelin rating for a slice?
britishwinegirl@reddit
Mowgli, VC bought out , only going to get worse
Flea-Surgeon@reddit
There used to be a chain of seafood places in London called 'Wheeler's'. I don't know if they were in other places too, but they were genuinely brilliant. Like, properly fantastic, but then they disappeared which was a real shame.
spkingwordzofwizdom@reddit
Was quite impressed with Panera’s for a scratch meal when they first came around - now they seem to be a little rough around the edges anytime I go in.
beckstermcw@reddit
Shoneys and their massive buffet breakfast n
ParkingTradition799@reddit
McDonald's!!! when I was a kid (80s) it was bright, everything was red an yellow, the tables, chairs, the uniforms, even the toilets!! It was THE place to have a birthday party too!! Now it's more like a depressed 40yr old. No bright colours, no smiley happy workers. The food is terrible ( I mean it wasn't brilliant when I was a kid but..) it's so small that a big mac is now the size of a small burger. An costs so much you need a small loan to eat there!!! Wtf happened!! We went once a few months ago, the urge for a big mac was strong an, omg! What a disappointment! The burger wasn't even on the bap properly!! I ate an left. Haven't been back since, an the only reason I'd go is if the milkshake machine is working, an that's not very often either!! Such a shame.
MacchiatoEngineered@reddit
BD’s Mongolian Grill. Used to have a great variety and good food. Now they’ve really pared down and prices are sky high for a bowl of stir fry. Might as well go to a restaurant that offers full plates.
noname2808559@reddit
Pizzaland
ElectronicHeat6139@reddit
Infamous 'pizza for a penny' which was popular with customers but caused them problems in the end. Gone since 1996.
slip_cougan@reddit
Another blast from the past. I worked at the branch on Tottenham Court Road back in the 80's.
I was sleeping on the streets at the time. Walked past and there was a sign in the window looking for kitchen staff. I walked in to enquire, the waitress looked me up and down (I looked a sight) and abruptly turned away to get the manager Debbie. I told her my story and she gave me a job there and then. She gave me some cash to get cleaned up. I went to the pool at Swiss Cottage, had a shower and got cleaned up and started the following day.
I'll never forget the manager Debbie for her kindness.
Worked with a mad pizza chef called Shafiq who used to throw plates at me if I was not 'on the ball'.
Worked there for 6 months until they opened a new branch in Wood Green. I did not stay there long.
AlpineJ0e@reddit
Wetherspoons. Used to be decent cheap grub, good for a hangover or easy option for everyone to find something to have, now you couldn't pay me to eat there.
nr4242@reddit
Burger king, pizza hut, subway
tmr89@reddit
Rosa’s Thai
slip_cougan@reddit
Pretty average and overpriced
backdoorsmasher@reddit
It's definitely a bit confused. Setup to look and feel like a café but priced like a half decent restaurant with ok food
aaaron64@reddit
I just quit working there…. Don’t eat there!
slip_cougan@reddit
Prezzo - now overpriced crap
meow-5757@reddit
From Somerset as well, I used to love going to ask Italian (like the only chain restaurant in the town at one point) and it’s consistently been declining in quality and the prices have become insane when you can get better food for half the price at a local run restaurant now, absolute insanity
gpeccadillo@reddit
Peak rose-tinted nostalgia in these comments.
Yo! Sushi, Pizza Hut, TGI Fridays and Frankie & Benny's have always been bang average.
Jimlaheydrunktank@reddit
Pizza Hut in the 90s was amazing..
gpeccadillo@reddit
Lol was it fuck. The all you can eat buffet was a bit of a novelty, but the quality of the food was about as good as it is now: passable.
Better than most of the competition at the time, but mot a patch on traditional or Neapolitan pizzas or whatever.
CooroSnowFox@reddit
Yo! Sushi is maybe the differing one as that's the best you can probably get for doing the conveyor belt sushi but with ingredients you can source in another country and it's a chain so that adds extra limitations on top, it's an introduction to Japanese food in a way... you'd find other places if you liked going for that stuff...
gpeccadillo@reddit
I went there in the late 90s with Japanese people who thought it was dreadful.
I'm not sure standards have slipped there. Seems more likely that sushi is prevalent now so people's standards have improved and stuff usually seems better because of nostalgia.
CooroSnowFox@reddit
It's easier to set up little quick sushi places that are more to get quick lunches than places like Yo! you don't get that much and it's still more focused on eating in.
Yeah I wouldn't expect it to be anywhere near but it's the best we can get unless you know the proper places hidden around the country but not always accessible.
gpeccadillo@reddit
I disagree that standards there have "fallen off" per the OP. They were always average, but the novelty has worn off and perhaps their taste for sushi is now more refined and sophisticated.
CooroSnowFox@reddit
I said it elsewhere, but it's like Nando's... the novelty wore off there and it's just ANOTHER place that exists... it's the special places you find that stand out rather than the wide chains in places.
It was exciting back in 2008-2012... but I found it's not the only thing and probably moved away to Italian etc. in that time and the menu shifts over time.
Nrysis@reddit
Wimpy
I didn't even realise they were actually still a thing until recently when I discovered there are still a few remaining.
Stepping inside one, it seems that nothing has actually changed since I was last aware of their existence in the 90's, and the burger tasted like it had been frozen since then too.
gogoluke@reddit
So it's stayed the same and gone down hill. Did you have a Schrödinger Burger?
Tasty-Explanation503@reddit
Never got the hype with Hard Rock cafe, just a load of signed outfits/guitars on the walls and overpriced food and cocktails.
Naff
slip_cougan@reddit
It's shit
Ruadhan2300@reddit
In general most fast food has gotten way more expensive without much qualitative improvement.
Ordering KFC for three costs £40
Ordering a full meal from the Indian restaurant (not takeaway, actual restaurant) down the road costs around the same but you get proper restaurant quality food.
Same deal with the Chinese takeaways too.
There is no reason other than wanting KFCs specific offerings to order from them.
McDonald's is little better.
My local McDonald's routinely gets our order wrong, and the fries are often cold by the time it gets to us.
On top of which, it's something like £27 for three people. Which isn't bad, but for a tiny bit more we can get far better quality food from somewhere else..
gogoluke@reddit
For not much better you can stop fast food and go to a chain restaurant...
OkieBobbie@reddit
Outback Steakhouse. It used to be good quality and had a varied menu. Then it started to slide and they were interested only in turning tables as fast as possible. When the started bringing the bill with the main course I was through with them.
Jimlaheydrunktank@reddit
Pizza Hut
hemlockehoney@reddit
Pizza Express felt fancy when I was a kid, now I don’t even bother going.
anchoredwunderlust@reddit
So much agree with Yo!
It was my go-to and used to be good quality with lots of vegan options. Now it’s just mediocre as any Japanese takeaway near me (that are largely ran by Bengali folk not Japanese people). Actually a lot of them are better.
It’s funny though so many sushi restaurants in uk model their food off what was on the yo sushi menu, particularly the veggie and vegan stuff and made it a popular type of food for veggies and vegans (coz real Japanese food really ain’t that veggie friendly without some fishy flakes)
fowlmanchester@reddit
Little Chef, obvs.
Ckn-bns-jns@reddit
Yard House ever since Darden bought them. I used to go to the original location in Long Beach, CA when it first opened and would frequent one near my office for several years. The food is not the same but no surprise after being bought by the same company that owns Olive Garden. Ruth’s Chris was also bought by them so I will definitely not spend my money there either.
Real_Palpitation_728@reddit
As much as I’d love some Poke Nachos with an ice cold Modelo we don’t have Yard House in the UK. Nor Oliver Gareden or Ruth’s Chris.
Ckn-bns-jns@reddit
Haha, I just realized I posted in a UK thread. It just popped up into my feed and I’ve had a few beers today.
phutch54@reddit
Arby's.Grey meat- like substances are not acceptable.
Apprehensive-Deer-10@reddit
Prezzo - the quality has depleted, the menu has been bleached of inspiration. La Tosca was the better chain restaurant and its dearly missed.
Middle-Temporary-490@reddit
Subway, the food actually used to taste fresh now it looks and tastes like its sat on the counter all day.
AppointmentTop3948@reddit
Wagamamas. They seem hell bent on removing everything I once loved. Some of us aren't vegan, chaps.
bennyblanco19@reddit
You’re correct about Yo! sushi. Very average these days. McDonalds gone down hill the most in my opinion.
averagesophonenjoyer@reddit
Burger King. Was back in UK a few months ago after being abroad for 10 years. Was in London with my wife and we went into a burger king they wanted close to £20 for two burger meals.
lucky1pierre@reddit
Go back to Yo! on a Thursday afternoon at the minute - they're offering an hour of bottomless conveyer sushi for £30. Me, my wife and daughter went last week, and it was exactly how I'd expected it as a child (I never went as a kid).
£200 of sushi for £76, and the fun of just grabbing something from the conveyer to eat, too.
Kooky-Leather-5563@reddit
Gotta be honest.... wetherspoons
Outrageous-Side-6627@reddit
All fast food restaurants, tbh the price rises have made it too expensive to eat. It used to be a cheap meal you'd on the go, but now it's not worth it. The ingredients they use make it an unfilling meal.
You are better at buying ingredients in cheap supermarkets like aldi and making replications of meals at home
KelbornXx@reddit
I have a theory that its because all of the standard fast food places and pubs improved the quality of their food and the chain restaurants, started cutting corners . KFC, McDonalds etc. used to be so bad in the 2000s but have improved greatly since (I know McDonalds has gone down again recently). But those aren't the places you would go for a nice meal or a special occasion. Once the chain places started going downhill, people weren't prepared to pay a lot of money for a poor meal and instead ordered a big takeaway (Indian, Chinese etc.).
People now are still willing to try somewhere new but will not go back if they have just one bad experience. I'd much rather order a curry from my local Indian restaurant which has never let me down. I think a lot of people I know are similar.
I spend a lot of time in America and various European countries and the food is noticeably got worse over the last decade, so its not just the UK.
pease_pudding@reddit
McDonalds used to be cheap convenience food
They got a bit ahead of themselves and started charging restaurant prices for a shitty burger fries and a drink.
Now its all gone tits up for them, and they are trying to claw back all the customers who have left. But instead of lowering prices which their CEO admitted they need to do, they are instead offering up bigger and more varied burgers for more money.
Ive never had a McDonalds special burger which I didnt regret buying, over a big mac
grimbob19@reddit
Shoutout to pizza express for not making this list
dxrtycvb@reddit
(TL;DR - all of them suck) chain restaurants in general are hopefully dying the slow death they deserve. one of the few silver linings of this recession is the necessary clearout of mediocre scale establishments squeezing every penny out of unethically sourced, frozen and reheated commercial 'food' and putting up impossible barriers to entry for independents with character and originality - this goes for greasy spoon cafs and expensive hipster spots alike, the point is a mixed economy of independent businesses putting real money in people's hands and offering value to the whole market at all points, not sweeping gentrification. every city centre in the UK looks the fucking same and features the same expressionless faces of underpaid overworked people wearing north face, Zara or primark forking the same bland generic food they've paid three times the production value of but viewed as 'cheap' because it's £2.00 cheaper than the other option. shout to Gregg's though and Popeyes for (hopefully) squeezing out KFC, always hated that they never offered hot sauce. Wagamama, Wahaca etc. are okay if they act as a stepping stone to appreciation of the cuisines.
Homelanderino@reddit
TGI Fridays
sugababychampagneyes@reddit
Nando’s has lost it. Everything is stick and messy, service is poor and the food is lazy. Sad
PastorParcel@reddit
I'm still getting over Wimpy and Little Chef.
aspieringnerd@reddit
I'm going to have to go with Maccies, but not so much the quality, though that can be hit or miss, but more the prices. I only grew up in the 2000s, but I swear at one point, happy meals used to only be 99p or £1.99 at a push. You could very easily feed a family of five for twenty quid and have enough change to send the kids back with a quid for a mcflurry
rynchenzo@reddit
We recently visited a Las Iguanas restaurant. We have visited several over the years and always enjoyed the food. On our most recent visit, the menu had been severely cut down to a number of microwavable options. No steak or flame grilled chicken etc.
What we had was utterly dire, and we will never go back.
a_per_son@reddit
Big Luke's. Used to love it as a kid.
SMCNI1968@reddit
Pizza Express
littlepinkgrowl@reddit
A lot of already mentioned places here I’ve always thought were crap so it’s interesting!
Wahaca is my choice, I remember when it opened and having been recently was sad for how it’s ended up.
Wagamama I wasn’t ever a massive fan of but it used to be better.
Positive note - I’ve been to pizza express a few times in the last few months and it’s always smashed it, I was very happy!
TheGrammatonCleric@reddit
Yes, I absolutely agree about Pizza Express. They always seem to maintain a pretty good level of quality and it's usually our go-to if we're in need of a meal out somewhere new.
Automatic-Sympathy45@reddit
Wagamamas
DeapVally@reddit
Frankie and Benny's wasn't always awful, say around 2000 it was pretty good quality, but it sure a shit has been rubbish for a long time now. Hence the closures.
anonym-1977@reddit
I went there in 2009 and I have received mediocre salmon with chewy, clearly microwaved veggies. It was not nice, all I can say. Never returned.
WarmTransportation35@reddit
In 2020 I went there as part of the eat out to help out scheme and wondered what the hype was. It was basically school canteen food in a kids party environment.
El_Scot@reddit
They were planning a big menu overhaul in 2020, but the pandemic came along and they had to shelf the plans.
The brand that owns F&B also owned Chiquitos, and Chiquitos went into administration pretty early on. I think they must have entered survival mode as a group.
leffe186@reddit
Chiquito’s, wow. My wife’s American and we met in Birmingham UK. Remember we went to Chiquito’s there once and the comparison to even the most bog-standard Mexican Restaurant in Ohio was eye-wateringly bad. We cried with laughter.
El_Scot@reddit
Yeah, I never understood why they were so popular. I ate there once and it was so bland, it was about 6 years before I went back again.
Michaelh12345@reddit
I used to really like Chiquitos breakfast burritos.. where I live it was next to a F&B and no one thought of Chiquitos as a breakfast place and scurried into F&B, but Chiquitos was amazing. Went quite frequently 2017-2020 and could get breakfast for me and my daughter with drinks for < £10..
multitude_of_drops@reddit
Aww I loved chiquitos when I was a kid
markhewitt1978@reddit
We used to go a lot around 2010-2015 sort of time when the kids were little. Used to be a bit of a treat and we even had a birthday party there.
Then most of the local ones closed down. We went back to one of the ones in Newcastle that was still going and it was entirely different with different food etc.
g00gleb00gle@reddit
Around 2014/15 they went south quickly with quality. Used to go when they had the offers on a Tuesday night and was cheap enough.
Once they stopped and a new menu came in the writing was on wall. Price sup quality down.
rayreaper@reddit
Agreed, it's never been great but you could get some cheap, alright food and I enjoyed the old timey music and aesthetic but they rebranded in an attempt to be more modern.
I still think they should have jumped on a roaring 20s revival.
aob139411dl@reddit
TGIF for me! I'm my childhood it was such a treat, I remember smoking and non smoking section too. I went a year or 2 ago and was very disappointed with the food quality for the price.
awwwwJeezypeepsman@reddit
Easily pizza hut. The food in the early 00s was incredible
magammon@reddit
Wagamama. They've gotten rid of the ginger chicken udon, which I've been eating since 2003. It's the only thing I ate. Went in recently to find it's gone and what we had was crap.
CooroSnowFox@reddit
With Yo! I assume the menu changes with what's easier or in focus to sell to people... it's just an occasional thing if I fancy Japanese, between Wagamama or Yo!
The Belt has come back in recent times, it was just for Covid for a time...
Although I'm not going there to eat Authentic, it's just an easier way for what we can get this side of the world and to what's available, and supermarket standard... means they're maybe doing better than what you associate.
As for mine ...Pizza Hut... maybe just how it's now easier to find Italian places doing their own pizza and maybe my tastes are moving away from eating a ton... and the brand is being squeezed out from that and more difficult to find restaurants for and it's easier to sell Take Away than get in for.
AmosEgg@reddit
From last year, many (most?) conveyor belt sushi chains in Japan no longer put food items on the communal belts after a load of video "pranks", so it could be argued that Yo! is trying to stay authentic.
CooroSnowFox@reddit
True. Something felt a little nicer When the food was made and went straight to your place on the belt rather than go round and round for hours.
rabbles-of-roses@reddit (OP)
The Pizza Hut restaurants used to be the best thing ever; I've got very fond memories of birthday parties spent there. The ice cream factory was amazing.
underwater-sunlight@reddit
I came here to post about pizza hut. A meat feast pizza used to be just that, loaded with meat. Now there are too many gaps
I_am_Reddit_Tom@reddit
Nandos
pluk78@reddit
I know it's fashionable to bash what with them being in big trouble, but TGIs a couple of months back was legit the worst food I've ever paid for. The lowlight was the mac and cheese with hardly any cheese and mushy overcooked pasta, worse than the made for babies £1 plate you'd get in charlie chalks. Vile burgers. Clearly all frozen and microwaved rubbish
In the 90s they did proper fresh quality food, sizzling fajitas, crab claws, incredible ribs and burgers. Such a shame it's been cost cut unto oblivion.
143019@reddit
Panera was the first quick restaurant that wasn’t always fried foods, and my kids would eat the food there. We went all the time. Went back for the first time in a few years and it is terrible now!
Different-Order6835@reddit
KFC was the bizzle when it came to the UK in early 90s ish ? Maybe late 80s . Some of the franchisees are better than others but the chickens are tiny now. It's a bit weird.
gs3gd@reddit
Prezzo.
Used to be decent food at a reasonable price, often with lunch deals during the week.
Now it's massively overpriced, tiny portions that take forever to arrive at your table.
Been twice in the last couple of years and was the same both times.
Won't be going back!
Actual-Surprise3444@reddit
They never change their food items- it’s boring having the same old options. And so expensive, but it’s been that way since I remember
Ckn-bns-jns@reddit
Quiznos
LolaDeWinter@reddit
Hard Rock Cafe, overpriced nonsense 😑
Ckn-bns-jns@reddit
It was never “good.” I worked at one in 2003-2005 and it was a joke seeing how terrible the food was for the prices. Total tourist trap and half of our business was tour buses full of kids visiting the city (Boston).
WarmTransportation35@reddit
I used to eat at McDonalds so much but now I barely eat and don't like the food anymore.
CraigTheBrewer12@reddit
Less of a restaurant and I’m gonna sound like part of the Reddit echo chamber, but McDonald’s. Okay it was never gourmet but the amount of decent menu options that vanished is astounding. Chicken legends gone, those “gourmet burgers” gone, the wrap of the day as a sandwich option, gone, breakfast bagels, gone. And it’s always filled with rude delivery drivers.
DMMMOM@reddit
Frankie and Benny's went down the toilet in a matter of months. No idea what happened, supply chain changes, management restructure, who knows, but every one we went to in the space of about 9 months went from great to beyond shit. I complained about 2 of them and they sent me vouchers. I sent them back by return post.
D0wnb0at@reddit
I had birthday parties at McDonalds, Pizza Hut and Wimpy as a kid (80/90’s). Wimpy we had a magician and everything. Also went to other kids parties at McD’s and other places around fast food. Was magical. Eating at those places was such a treat. But these days it’s shite food just made to order as fast as possible that I would only eat at if there was nowhere else to eat. Mcd’s for eg, the burgers are noticeably smaller and all cooked from frozen these days.
Personal-Cress-3610@reddit
Turtle Bay fell off hard. So did los iguanas. Both of them started prioritising cocktails over food.
Lou-Lou-Belle@reddit
KFC
joereadsstuff@reddit
Byron Burgers were all the rage in the late 2000s.
ErskineLoyal@reddit
TGI Fridays has plummeted like a stone.
Ok-Topic-6971@reddit
I used to love TGI Fridays. This time last year looked at the menu hoping to go for my birthday and was horrified. I’m sure the food used to be better quality too. I’m sad they have gone into administration but I can see why
CrustyCally@reddit
Little Chef, haven’t seen one of them in years
ryanscott1986@reddit
Harvester for me. Used to like the salad bar and the food was half decent for the price. Now the salad has halved in choice and you're paying actual money for shite food
diditforthemonet@reddit
I didn’t even know they still existed! I went to the Yo! sushi in my city as a ‘treat’ when I was a broke student, also back in the 2010s, and also with a fellow edgy anime weeb! At the time it seemed like the height of luxury, also coming from a small town with the typical 2 fish & chip shops, a chinese & an ‘town name tandoori’ as the only options for eating out. Sad to hear it’s just supermarket sushi now, but I also do think a lot of cities & bigger towns have got decent sushi options these days.
Prezzo is my disappointment. Not sure if this is rose-tinted glasses from not having many other options, but I thought Prezzo used to be a decent (if a bit expensive!) change from the local pizza express or Frankie and bennies options. The last two times I went, it was disappointing dry chicken kebabs and jar sauce tasting pasta all the way down. I’ve not been for a couple of years though, so it might be improved (or my local’s just shit.)
FrenzalStark@reddit
First date with my wife was at Prezzo. It used to be really good.
rabbles-of-roses@reddit (OP)
Yeah, that was the standard in my town too. Going to yo sushi was a whole thing as it meant taking the train into Bristol which added to the whole "luxury cosmopolitan" vibe of the place. Now 15 years down the line, said town has four Japanese restaurants, all of which are highly rated.
claretkoe@reddit
Mandos, just an expensive chicken shop these days. Loads of scrubber places do better peri peri now
freethegoons@reddit
harvester. used to be the place to go now it’s just a glorified spoons 😭
SodaCanSuperman@reddit
I feel like generally a lot of restaurants have gone to shit, especially since COVID. Even some of the fancy, expensive pub restaurants near me have very poor service and poor quality food. Have resorted to our reliable Chinese takeaway, Nandos or Maccies for a treat, as they're reliable and repeatable. Can't be wasting money on a place that might not deliver, and more often than not are leaving feeling disappointed.
Cumulus-Crafts@reddit
Frankie and Bennie's. Used to be that every 'dinner out' that my family had in the 2000s/2010s was there, especially if it was a birthday dinner.
I can't remember the last time we went to Frankie and Bennie's.
martzgregpaul@reddit
TGI Fridays went from quite good to Wetherspoons quality
Johnm7515@reddit
KFC - Not even close
Don’t even get me started on the food delivery app pricing compared to in store.
Signal-Cheesecake-34@reddit
I remember going to Garfunkel’s in London as a teen with my parents was the epitome of fancy. I went a few years ago on a date and it felt like i was in the little chef of london
Don’t get me started on little chef lest I cry
sellis80@reddit
I remember going to Garfunkel’s as a kid in the 80s. Bloody loved it. Can only imagine what it’s like now.
New_Orange9702@reddit
Haha we used to do the same! Going to Garfunkels was a big deal to me as a kid... and then it went..
Stuffedwithdates@reddit
There was no a time in the long ago when the harvester salad bar was the stuff of legends.
HST_enjoyer@reddit
They were never good we just never had the great alternatives we do now.
Fattydog@reddit
I disagree re Yo Sushi. It’s always been pretty steep.
WellHungUK_2@reddit
F
JBLCenaFan4Life@reddit
TGIFridays
SeaweedClean5087@reddit
Yo sushi was the first multi branch sushi place to hit us. It was the first one that my daughter took me to when she was 11. At the time it was new and innovative for the UK. Since then we’ve been inundated with loads of better sushi restaurants using fresher fish for the sashami
charlescorn@reddit
Anywhere that makes pizza. Growing up in the 80s, Pizza Hut was a real treat. Perfect bases, tasty toppings. Dominos and Pizza Express I also remember making great pizzas. Now? Just a sloppy, greasy mess on a soggy base.
_dodosconundrum@reddit
Turtle bay. Used to have a good cocktail menu which was very rummy and is now just the generic selection and overly juicy/syrupy. The food was also better and at least leaned into trying to be authentic but now not so much
lynettesu@reddit
Frankie and Benny’s definitely was better back in the day. Same with TGI’s
CooroSnowFox@reddit
Confused with what they want to offer and maybe how decent you can get Italian food elsewhere (Zizzi Prezzo ASK etc. etc.)?
MateoKovashit@reddit
But Zizzi and Prezzo are gash too
CooroSnowFox@reddit
But they are more focused on Italian food... f&b are trying to add in Italian food
WhiteDiamondK@reddit
Has the restaurant fallen off, or has your taste developed. Have life experiences made you realise that it really isn’t as good as you once thought?
IrascibleOnion@reddit
Prezzo.
I remember it being a boujie alternative to Pizza Express, but I’ve been a couple times in the last few years and it’s soooo awful. Really greasy food, overcooked, whereas I think Pizza Express is still pretty reliably good.
Jonnyporridge@reddit
Most chain restaurants are owned by companies whose sole interest is to make money, not to deliver good food as well. They might pull it off by accident but no matter what your meal is like they make profit. The less quality the more profit.
Alarmed_Lunch3215@reddit
Nando’s
MJLDat@reddit
Wimpy, the one near me has gone downhill.
rabbles-of-roses@reddit (OP)
they still exist?
MJLDat@reddit
58 in England apparently. I know of 2 of them.
Jay_ney@reddit
Wagamama
Swissstu@reddit
Harvester was not that bad until the early Naughties. Overnight it plummeted I got super ill after eating there against my better judgement at a work event and have not been back since!
tonification@reddit
I swear it was alright in the 1990s but it might just be that it didn't have much competition then.
Standard-Still-8128@reddit
Loads of places thought they could get away with giving less an charging more during COVID and thought they would carry on
Theres3ofMe@reddit
All of them.
behavedgoat@reddit
Tgi, overpriced greasy food
penguin62@reddit
Good news!
Underwritingking@reddit
totally agree about Yo Sushi - used to really enjoy it, but the last time I went the change to the app, and the standard of the food was really unimpressive - I haven't been since
5n0wgum@reddit
Pizza hut. In the 90s it was off the chain.
Careful-Tangerine986@reddit
I mean I know it's not a restaurant but I got a McDonald's yesterday for the 1st time in about 4 years. It was always cheap shite, of course, but you knew what you were getting.
What I got served yesterday wasn't edible. Most of it got thrown in the bin and it cost nearly a tenner for a meal and some (3!!) mozzarella sticks. I'll never eat there again.
Browbeaten92@reddit
Well, I didn't grow up in the UK, but was recently in Canada where I did and went to a mid range family restaurant there called St Hubert. It's rotisserie chicken and something I grew up with.
Have to say I was amazed by the overall quality to price ratio. It's like a typical roadside/highway restaurant, but they do table service and have a bar, so Miller and Carter vibes. Meant to be upmarket and not fast food.
Maybe partly the exchange rate but nothing in the UK could compare at that price point. But then the mid range sector is super competitive and yet also screwed in the UK.
aduckonquack95@reddit
Used to love a McDonald's always trying the new stuff that came out, now I find it all a bit meh other than the chicken selects which I fucking love
twojabs@reddit
Had a premier Inn breakfast recently, certainly won't be back. Quality and service fallen off a cliff.
setokaiba22@reddit
I swear this question appeared last month, Frankie’s & Bennies is usually the winner
Totters4thewin@reddit
Harvester!
Dazzling_Bat_Hat@reddit
I’m amazed at how many people are saying TGI Fridays. I remember it as total sh*t way back in the 90s.
Im with you on Yo! Sushi. And I’ll add KFC to the list.
Felgrand3189@reddit
I'm gonna mimic a lot of others here and say Frankie & Bennys. Used to absolutely love going there with family and friends, now it's just awful. The one near me I think has closed down?
MisterrTickle@reddit
Pizza Hut, great in the '90s but you wouldn't even consider it now.
My little sister used to love that I worked part time for Whitbread, which owned Pizza Hit. So I could get her 20% off. Which basically meant that she could go to Pizza Hut with her friends and not have to pay.
rachw39@reddit
The harvester, Frankie and Benny’s and TGI Fridays!
miss-mercatale@reddit
I loved Chilis which was a US chain that I knew from when I lived in LA in the early 90s. I was so excited when they opened in Cambridge near where I lived.
But I have just Googled and they disappeared back in 2009. Real shame as food (texmex) was great as were the margueritas!
AroundTheBerm@reddit
Might get a few downvotes for this but I tried Popeyes for the first time a few months ago and it’s hard to believe their chicken sandwiches have always tasted that bad. So I’m going with them on that basis.
royalblue1982@reddit
They've only been in the UK since 2021?
CooroSnowFox@reddit
I think it's difficult to find a place when we have the takeaways and how much longer KFC has been around
Only been in one for the first time last year and ... maybe need to go back again but it's just maybe trying to spot the differences between Louisana vs Kentucky chicken...
SmeeegHeead@reddit
TGI Fridays. There's a reason it has gone tits up.
CooroSnowFox@reddit
I never saw anything in TGI Fridays that couldn't be done elsewhere
Knowing there was one in Leicester Square and thinking they were hitting higher than they can possible achieve?
SmeeegHeead@reddit
The Jack Daniels sauce was worth it, but then that went...
Nine_Eye_Ron@reddit
Maybe that’s just your Yo Sushi?
My local is the same as it’s always been.
rabbles-of-roses@reddit (OP)
The last one I went to was a nostalgia-based visit to the Bristol Cabot Circus for a quick meal by myself, and pretty much everything was a downgrade. I hadn't been in several years at that point was honestly surprised by the changes, including the rude staff and how slightly grotty the place was.
The_Fabulous_Bean@reddit
I visited the Leicester branch about two years ago and it was disgusting. It was just filthy, the staff were disinterested and the choice was really poor. Won't bother again, used to love going to the one in Reading when I was a student about 15 years ago.
b-roc@reddit
I think that might just be your Yo Sushi!
BaseballFuryThurman@reddit
I hope things have got better
rabbles-of-roses@reddit (OP)
thank you. I still have the figurines but they've not come out of storage in years now.
ManyViolinist98@reddit
GIRUGAMESH
Supergoose5000@reddit
Aw man that’s sad. Get them out. What’s the point otherwise
rabbles-of-roses@reddit (OP)
Konata Izumi was resurface once more (I also don't have shelf space in my room at the moment). But I did stop watching anime as much as I entered my 20s to the point that I can't really call myself an active anime fan now. I will try out a new show from time to time, and rewatch some of my favourites.
smushs88@reddit
Not been to one for a fair while but used to love the Yo Sushi! Sumo Sunday offer!
I guess on that basis and much like the rest of this thread, F&B and TGI probably, on the basis we used to be there fairly regularly for meals out but not been to either for years.
Not been to one for a while now either but heard Byron’s isn’t what it used to be either….
Scumbaggio1845@reddit
It was never really that great unless you went on a Monday and they have done nothing to keep up with new competition. It’s old hat now.
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