There’s no reason for EVs. Hybrid is what’s up for the future. Of course nothing will replace a big V8 that causes the car to rock just from pressing the throttle.
I’m a big time car guy and you will pry my ice cars from my cold dead hands, but when they get autonomous self driving and range down, I take a lot of long road trips and would love to just watch tv, play on my phone or sleep while I was getting to my destination. I’m not about to pay a premium to be the beta tester for any of it though
The US’s lack of mass transit is because one of our presidents, at the time, i forget which one, saw a capitalist plan to make more money
For everyone by having us all buy cars This country is STILL PAYING FOR THIS FATAL MISTAKE
The US is vast and has trains that cross the country West - East And North to South
And being this country is so big it has more $$$$ To spend on infrastructure China/Japan mass transit is crossing their respective countries
Eisenhower wanted to ensure that the US could respond to an attack. Interstates are rated for heavier duty than other roads. They can handle tank haulers and allow you to avoid cities (hence beltway's). Eisenhower had been a general in Europe and saw the delays caused at places like St Lo when the roads had to be cleared of rubble to move past it.
Thanks for the correct info. I was told runway myth many years ago when I was younger so it must’ve been from someone who was around when the interstate system was proposed.
I heard the same thing growing up from my dad, who was a horizontal engineer (roads and runways) in the national guard. It wasn't until I was in the Air Force and learning contingency engineering (emergency runway placement, constructing tent cities, etc.) that I was disabused of this idea.
The interstate was taken from the autobahn transit system that Eisenhower learned about from his time in Germany, that the us could quickly mobilize and move around the country in an attack. It was not made for a capitalist plan.
I really love trains and I wish they were better for travel. But they quite honestly suck. They take longer than driving unless it’s an overnight or multi day trip, they take way longer than airplanes yet cost almost the same for a ticket, and you still get to your destination and have no car to move around in locally.
It would be a little better if they had more coverage and stations, serving more places, but at this point that’s basically a pipe dream. Cars have a stranglehold on American culture, and there’s still the other issues like price and how long they take to get to their destination.
Ok that’s fair, but that’s basically what a cruise ship is for too. And I’m not taking a cruise ship to work, or on a business trip where time is of the essence lol.
That’s not what a cruise ship is for. A cruise ship is for vacation bc it includes amusement parks, resorts, restaurants, yadda yadda…
You’re being dense on purpose. Obviously you’re not going to take the longer option when time matters. But if it doesn’t, or you WANT a less stressful trip and accept it’ll take longer, trains are great. They also get hundreds of miles to a gallon of fuel.
The sad part is, a lot of those downsides are self inflicted.
I'm visiting Japan in a few months and was planning out our trips between cities, the shinkansen pricing isn't cheap but it's comparable with flying and way, way faster since you can travel directly from city center to city center.
Not having a car at the end of the journey is also a problem of our own making. My girlfriend and I took an overnight Amtrak journey from the south to NYC, and of course getting around was not an issue once we arrived. The journey was longer than driving but comparable price to flying and WAYYYY more comfortable even in coach. It's a nice way to see the country, and if we invested even close to as much money in our trains as we do interstates, it would be faster than driving
Japan was fucking leveled after WW2 and they had significant aid to completely rebuild their cities. Suburbs have been a thing in the us since the late 1800s. Japan is also much smaller than the US. The situations are not the same.
Not really - think train travel, but you have your car on both ends to continue to use. There is an auto train in the us where they load your car on which is what I use one direction now for trips up and down the east coast of the us. But there’s only 2 stations in the whole country
Also still not letting you do what you want to do, if I want to do a cross country trip that involves off roading and camping I can’t take a train and rent a car, because you can’t take rentals off roading. Well aren’t supposed to anyways. Train travel does need to be better but there are still plenty of areas where having your own vehicle beats any sort of public transport
In a good rail network you have the option to have a room to yourself and there are trains at both ends of the journey you can use to get anywhere you like
Passenger rail is not profitable in the same way it is not profitable to maintain a road network. In the 50s and 60s the US govt decided they would maintain and expand the road network, but did not give the same priority to rail
I dream of an autonomous motor home. I could sit and drink coffee, watch TV, or take a shower while traveling. If only 300 or 400 mile range would be fine as I could charge overnight. As I get older, a car like that to take me around would work also. There is no replacement for my 2500, which needs to tow a 3 horse trailer 600 to 700 miles in a pinch. That won't due with the current ev trucks.
When I roadtrip I do around 600 miles in a day. It’s getting there of course, but right now an ice car is far simpler and will save at least an hour of the travel per day best case scenario. And fully autonomous cars are not there yet at all
I’ve driven 1100 straight stopping just for gas and fast food drive throughs. It’s not a problem for 2 drivers. 600 can be done in 10 hours on a highway trip even with gas stops and fast food or packing a cooler.
A tesla will charge 200 miles in less time than it takes to find the bathrooms in a bucees. I drove 1200 miles each way this spring on a trip. 10 minute stop every 2-3 hours. No real difference in travel time. I would have stopped that much for coffee and piss breaks.
I'd say I'm an extreme edge case but wanted to chime in.
I've done 450, 650 and 1200 mile trips (one way so double for round trip.), multiple times in two mindsets, get it done as quickly as possible or chill normal driving.
For chill normal driving during the day I'd say EV is there and it works. If it's during the night or I'm trying to get a trip done as quickly as possible EV doesn't hold a candle to ICE.
I've done my chill normal driving trips in about exactly the time Google maps said it would take, and when I want to do it as quickly as possible I've gotten it down to 80% of the driving time.
Which basically came down to keeping that average speed as high as possible due to maximum 1 bathroom break (#1 not #2 lol) snacks prepared beforehand in the passenger seat, and spending less than 2 minutes stopped at gas stations so that any gains aren't lost waffling about.
I wouldn't have tried those trips the way I did if it was in an EV because that mandatory idle time would be agonizing. ^^and ^^the ^^felony ^^speeds ^^required ^^to ^^gain ^^that ^^amount ^^of ^^time ^^would ^^drain ^^the ^^battery ^^too ^^quickly ^^and ^^give ^^me ^^range ^^anxiety.
In the end it doesn't matter though because driving that way is so tiring and really not worth it.
Really the only obstacle for me is I'd much prefer pumping fuel at night over sitting there charging at night.
I did a road trip in a Tesla. The problem with teslas is that you are limited to superchargers. If you really want McDonald’s and the supercharger doesn’t have one, you need to supercharge first for 15 min and then drive to a McDonald’s.
Also, say you actually want to do a sit down restaurant, it can get tricky because the car charges so fast you might hit 100 before you’re done eating so now you have to leave and move your car.
Apteras at the cost of all safety. I'd rather drive a car that gets 200 miles range with all the safety features, than a trike that can do 1000.. it's very cool, but looks insanely dangerous to me.
No I ride motorcycle and have been in wrecks, it's a three wheeler that its whole ethos is to get high efficiency. It's probably going to be classified as a motorcycle in many states.
Safety equipment weighs a lot, it's not just the 13 airbags, it's the frame and engineering to take the impacts. That all equals weight. Most modern cars that rank the highest on safety all weigh more than double what the Aptera weighs. They all also have more road contact patch than the Aptera. If you want an Aptera to get some dream efficiency and self reliance that's great. I encourage it, but don't pretend people are going to stop driving 4 ton vehicles, you are throwing safety out the window for it.
That's weak numbers November of 2020 I did a 1900 mile round trip Streator Illinois to Dazell SC in 28 total hours I drove 26 out of the 27 hours required. We stopped on the way back in Kentucky for a sit down meal at Fazolis then refilled the tank for the next to last time.
2) have to then rent a car at the other end of the flight, also expensive
3) can’t take everything you might need depending on the trip
4) part of having fun on a trip is the journey. Wife and I drove 950 miles one way to go to a friend’s wedding a couple years ago, we stopped at some really cool places along the way. Can’t do that on a plane.
I make a 640 mile road trip a couple times a year and I can knock it out in less than 9hrs... I time my water consumption with my fueling so I make a single lightning quick pit stop for fuel and to pee and then I'm back on the road after 5-10min tops.
"600 miles in a day" doesn't imply no stopping. Before I moved recently, I routinely did 750 mile drives in a day. I did it a handful of times in 10 hours before I realized my speedometer was reading slow and I had been driving 83-85 mph. When I adjusted to 81 as a max speed, it went up to 10.5-11 hours. That's just 1-2 gas stops and a fast food stop. Quick stop at a rest area for the rest room if necessary.
I've driven from Lancaster California to odessa Texas with only 2 10-minute stops. (94 ford f150 with dual tanks and a 100-gallon transfer tank in the bed)
Also super cruise is not what I’m talking about. You still need your eyes focused on the road and have an engaged driver.
I’m talking about cyber cab type stuff or the gm cruise self driving vehicle (not to be confused with super cruise). Stuff so good it wouldn’t need a wheel and a brake pedal (although personally I would love one as a backup).
I already have adaptive cruise with start stop in an ice car and I can get super cruise as well if I wanted it. It’s nice of course, but it’s a driver aide, not a driver replacement.
600 miles in a model 3 is really easy to do in a day. That's a pretty typical trip in my older Model Y LR, and the new ones are quite a bit better at it.
I've done 900+ mile days a couple times with my rivian as a solo driver. Likely going to do it again in a few months. Averaged 65mph including stops to charge. When I'm traveling with my partner in her 4Runner we're substantially slower because most people can only do so many miles in a day.
The ability to put down miles is mostly on the person these days.
I’m not at all questioning that it’s doable in an electric vehicle. It is. I’m also not at all criticizing anyone who would choose to today. Every person’s needs are unique in a vehicle.
But if you and I left the same place at the same time and needed to travel that 900 miles in a single day, you’d get there cheaper and I’d get there sooner. Time is money though too.
My goal was 500-600 miles. I stopped because the sun went down and I found a nice place to camp. My point was driving an EV on a road trip is way less tiring than an ICE, and enjoying the trip is part of a road trip for most people, which is why most people do 300-500 mile days.
NVH is a big thing after a day behind the wheel. The next day I did another 400 and then a few hours of hiking.
It's something people don't seem to think about. My 900 mile day was a really easy day enjoying the scenery through Idaho and Utah.
As someone who only does long road trips occasionally, I'm sold on EVs as they are currently. Charging can seem like a chore, but it basically becomes my "me time" in a day filled with work, family, food, sports, etc .. so it's usually 20-25 minutes 3 times a week.
I will also say that several ev car makers offer 2 years of free charging for up to 30 mins a day. So I haven't paid for any gas or electric related to my car in about 6 months. I can't do the math, but it's a substantial amount of money there.
Hyundai offered (still does, I think) 2 years of unlimited free 30-minute sessions at Electrify America as long as they're at least 60 minutes apart; at a 350 kW charger my Ioniq 6 charges from 10% to 80% in 18 minutes or so. That's the same amount of time it takes me to walk into the store (lots of times it's Walmart, Kroger, Meijer or Target), use the restroom, buy some snacks and/or drinks and walk back to the car.
At 75-80 mph, I can get about 180-200 miles between stops. These days I usually need a break around 150 miles anyway, so it works out fine for me. In my 20's and 30's I'd have hated it, but at almost 70, my 1000 to 1200 (or more) mile road warrior days are behind me.
My wife and I drove from Cincinnati OH to Vancouver BC for a cruise this summer. We wound up doing 500-600 miles most days; with the free EA charging we spent just under $35 on charging for 5800 miles of travel. It was 50 free EA stops, 2 ChargePoint stops and 1 stop at On the Run in Canada.
Without the free EA charging, it would have been about $150 more than taking my wife's Bronco Sport, but I wouldn't have been cruising along I80 or I90 at 85-90 with longish stretches at 100+ in a 4-cylinder car; the Ioniq 6 was perfectly happy running all day long at those speeds.
Nah, full self driving is long ways off still. Elon has been spouting their cars will be full self driving by 2017 since then. Yet their last recall tesla said their cars are at level 2 out of 5. It needs to mature before I'd ever use that shit, like IrritablePanda said, I'm not going to be the beta tester. Also 300 isn't enough for long road trips.
Is it even a premium though? For under $40k you can get a 330 mile range car that will autopilot La to Vegas with 1 stop, is faster than 99% of ice cars and will come to you when you summon it. I’ve paid about $100 total in “fuel” this year because I get to charge at work. And that’s with a Vegas and mammoth trip.
Not sure how common they are in the US but in other countries they have car trains where it's akin to a ferry, you load the car on and it's there where you arrive so you can continue on.
I mentioned this in a number of my replies - only 2 stations in the us - Washington DC to Orlando Florida or the other direction. I use it regularly already, and it’s not bad but it can be pricey, it could be done faster by car, the rooms are tight and the bathrooms are coffins.
Truly autonomous where I could do a 10 hr drive...leave at 10pm and arrive at 8am and sleep all the way...count me in. Until then...meh not interested.
Sure, because paying $100k for a cybertruck or a Silverado ev is totally reasonably compared to a sub $50k v8 truck. Getting a large people/cargo mover 3 row suv in an electric is of course totally affordable. 🤣
Also my commentary about beta testing was generally about self driving.
Certain demographics are coming around in price with electric offerings which is what you’re alluding to, but not nearly all of them. Not everyone is looking for a smaller crossover or sedan.
Ok, where to start … lots of unequal comparisons being made. A cyber truck or Silverado EV is nowhere near a sub $50k anything. You want an ICE truck with the same power numbers well then you’re looking at the same price or more tbh; V8 ain’t a comparison lol.
A lot of people want a sedan or crossover! Just look at the buyer data from the last 10 years. Admittedly EV trucks and SUVs aren’t as prevalent yet, but the ones that are available compare to competitively priced ICE trucks, but still with more power/TQ.
Who said anything about the same power numbers? Nobody's claiming ICE is on par with electric for the money. And previous poster was a bit sensational. Still, if I want to tow a boat or camper, a Lightning starts at $65k and a mass market trim Silverado EV will be similar, if a bit more. Whereas a $40k gas truck tows perfectly well. So yes, for people who don't care about 0-60 times in their pickup truck (ie: almost everybody), you're asking them to pay an extra $20k for the EV
All that extra power, how far you towing a 5000# boat or 10000# holiday trailer between charges? Or god forbid an actual work truck 😱They left that part out too.
No. We need to compare apples to apples, otherwise all of these points are irrelevant. It doesn’t matter what you say a $40k truck can do, just compare equivalent vehicles to each other and then you can start to have a conversation about what is a better option, at that price point. If a $60k truck is too expensive then why are you even talking about an EV truck that cost $60-70k? If a $40k truck does what you need and want then just go with that and disregard the more expensive option.
For context, staying within only ICE vehicles, a Lexus does the same thing as a Corolla, but there’s reasons why one would choose one car over the other. This seems basic to me.
Cost isn't the only comparison. An ICE pickup is still better than an EV Pickup at a lot of things. I can spec a one ton diesel brand new for probably 50k, I can spec it with the exact same drivetrain, up and over 100k, what's your point again?
The Lexus and Corolla can do the same thing, because they share the same drivetrain, no shit. One is a luxury veh, again, no shit.
You might have instant torque, and more torque, yet a Cybertruck towing capacity is still the same as a half ton @~11k lbs for 100-150 miles. That's a laughable range to tow anything in my line of work, and that's not considering half the year when it's below freezing. One ton diesels will all pull 35000lbs and assuming ~10mpg loaded will go about 340 miles.
Your more expensive truck isn't even in the same ballpark.
I think that by making your point, you’ve also missed the mark on where EV trucks are at. EV trucks are not yet at the point where commercial usage is optimal. EV cars and crossovers are becoming great options for families and commuters , but work trucks just aren’t there yet. No EV that I know of makes sense for a commercial use contractor yet. Maybe the Lightening but only for the foreman probably, not for heavy use. Nobody is trying to pry anyone’s ICE trucks from the hands of Americans lol. The trend however, is that EVs will probably replace ICE trucks but we are a long way off from that, we may not even see that in our lifetime.
This whole back and forth started from someone stating that EVs were universally more expensive and that just isn’t the case. When this swayed toward talking about trucks the discourse veered in another direction. Work based trucks are still in a different category, ice trucks are still a better option for most contractors and construction outfits. Let’s be real here, ain’t nobody buying a cybertruck and trying to go fix houses for real. What I do think is a real factor to consider however, if you’re just a regular homeowner that occasionally needs a truck and commutes in it anyway, a Lightening or Silverado EV is much cheaper to fuel and operate daily.
I said everything about par for par comparison. If you don’t want a truck with that power then just buy an ICE truck. What I’m stating is that the comparisons are unfair. EV trucks are great, but the entry level EV truck is the equivalent of a $50k ice truck, are you in the market for that tier of truck? If so, then we have a conversation, if not, then don’t get this shit confused. One needs to look at the equivalent vehicle, just comparing ICE to EV is unfair, you need apples to apples.
My father made a good point. A majority of truck buyers don’t want electric. They prefer what they have always had. My father will be buried with his base model, 5 speed, single cab, power nothing, Chevrolet S10.
Not necessarily opposed there, but a lot of challenges are removed with an electric car, such as starting it up, shifting gears, being able to potentially “refuel” without human interaction and so on.
The charging problem is less the car and more the random adapters you need and speed differences for different charging stations. Not to mention the total amount of them and that they are rarely built for flexibility such as charging a vehicle that’s currently towing another vehicle.
Would I like more range and faster speeds? Sure, but the best of the best is more or less there today, the problem is that experience is not remotely universal yet.
Like the other reply about a train - you don’t still have your vehicle to use on the other side of the trip on a train or plane. You can’t take a car full of your stuff with you. If you’re over 6 feet tall like me you aren’t going to be comfortable on a train or plane. It’s a totally different experience
You can put your car on a train, look up the auto train. you can rent a car when you are at the closest station, you can (gasp) take transit, walk, bike etc. these are solved problems. Do you really think you would be more comfortable sitting In a seat for hours not able to move where as on a train you can get up walk around maybe go to the bar car and have a drink or two or use the bathroom? I assure you that as a person over 6 feet, I would much rather travel on a train than in a car.
There are literally 2 auto train stations in the United States. I do use it regularly.
And again, to be clear, I’m looking forward at the future of autonomous vehicles. Being on something more like a recliner vs sitting in a car seat for that time. You are also a much smaller person than I because the bathrooms in the train are not what I would call an advantage whatsoever.
I was replying to someone who said they didn't want to drive on a long trip and they would like to be able to play on their phone and take a nap. All things you can do on a train. And with a properly set up metro and reasonable city planning, you could absolutely take a short walk to a metro station. Take that train to a grocery store shop and then go home. This is not some far-off dream I could do this now in Vancouver with the skytrain (you can do it in other cities too. I am just more familiar with Vancouver)
Not everyone lives in a city bro. I’m like 45 minutes from the nearest city like 5 miles outside of any kind of town in the middle of a bunch of farm fields. This is how the majority of Americans are
WHEN the WRX blows up (again) I'm going electric drivetrain. Having built a few electric Razors, it's the next step in adding far too much power into a small chassis and scaring my friends with axle-snapping acceleration.
Toyota’s coming out with some actually nice electric car batteries (solid-state) in the next few years. I’ll consider one when they have a car available with it.
I would get one as a daily and have a fun ICE car for Sunday drives. But waiting for the aptera which unfortunately might never come. I like the idea that I would only need to charge a few times a year because it uses so little power, has a huge battery for very long range, and solar panels so it’s always charging. Plus they’re very pro right to repair and DIY.
Yeah, here’s her build - she has purple hair that matches the car if that helps make more sense of why this color lol arrives in December. Then my car comes 2 months later 🥲
I find that in general the active lane keep ability on Porsche is one of the worse ones, not even as good as our other Audi. The Innodrive just ratchets that up with more control over speed and stuff that it doesn’t seem to do well consistently. It certainly doesn’t make the drive more relaxing, as I still have to maintain even more concentration because I never can trust it and at any time it may just stop tracking and drift to another lane mid turn, which is dangerous. I figure why even bother using it if it just makes me more stressed? It was I think about a $2000 option on the Taycan, the price has changed since we got ours, but regardless it was a total waste of money IMHO. I really like the ACC, and the lane change assist, those are handy for sure.
23 Taycan 4S, otherwise I love the car and am trying to do as many miles as possible 😊 so far 20k in the first year. One of the best driving cars I’ve ever had. Love it tons and wouldn’t trade it for anything to daily drive around LA traffic.
That sucks to hear you’re having issues. Love our Taycan, 20k miles and no issues. Can’t wait to buy the next generation in 5 years or whenever it comes out. The 911 I have is a hold for life though. Love my 991.2 😊. As another data point our one neighbor also has a Taycan, but he’s having to Lemon it because of problems with the brakes and some sensors that keep engaging auto braking, they haven’t fixed it after many times in the shop and so many parts replaced. Our other neighbor has a Taycan also and theirs is a few years older, but no issues with it for them either. Seems to be hit or miss.
one day? i have one now. so do my dad and my sister. currently the ideal combo is one gas/hybrid, one electric. if you can’t swing two, get an ICE in whatever flavor you prefer.
Yes. Former ASE master tech turned engineer. I have four cars, the one I drive to work every day is Electric. The one I drive to camp in the woods or to take my dogs to the beach is an old Toyota. Then two "hobby" cars that spend a lot of time getting tinkered on in the garage.
Agreed, I currently lease a leaf as my daily and it saving me so much on gas which also helps me not hesitate to use my XJ for any form of fun trips I desire. Plus wear and tear on a 2 year lease is way preferable to a vehicle Ive owned for 18 years and already swapped the motor on...
I love ICE, and plan to keep my jeep until there is no longer justifiable means to power it, but I doubt it will ever be my daily again.
I also ride motorcycles, and have every intention of adding an electric dirt bike as prices drop and the range improves to the point to where a full day of riding is possible on a single charge.. not there yet, but it's definitely coming.
This, the insane repair costs are out of warranty at the dealer. You should never take ANY car to the dealer out of warranty regardless of what propulsion method it uses. There are plenty of 3rd party shops near me that will do battery repair on Teslas for <$6k (assuming it's just one module of the pack that needs to be replaced rather than the whole pack, which is incredibly rare).
This made me chuckle. I’ve heard it a few times about my Prius. Was told I should get rid of it before the battery goes out at 50 thousand miles ago. It needs some love because it drives in winter, but that has nothing to do with the battery and everything to do with salt.
This is correct. Nor did the car want to drive with it dead because it’s linked to the transmission, or was the entire transmission iirc.
We had to attach it to a 12v which a very blessed mechanic helped me with. Similar to how it’s done in this video but not really.
Once the car was on the battery was fine and would operate, but would constantly be at under 5% and couldn’t hold a charge beyond that, but would die if the car sat for any time at all.
I can’t charge where I live right now, so I got a 2017 Prius a month or so ago to replace my 2008 Pontiac Grand Prix that had been my daily for the last 5-6 years.
I adore it. Drives so smoothly, the efficiency is great even with my shitty unoptimized driving. I got the highest trim (Four Touring) so the interior is nice. The adaptive cruise is great for a 2017.
A lot less to maintain. No power steering pump or fluid, which was a plus after my Grand Prix. That thing had constant power steering issues.
Absolutely awesome cars. We have tons of them in the fleet at work - they just work and work and work. The drivers really like them, too.
Keep an eye on the coolant level + temperature light. About the only thing that ever goes wrong with these is the exhaust<->coolant heat exchanger cracks, leaking coolant into the exhaust. Toyota extended the warranty on that part so some ungodly long duration.
If you do put some effort into driving style, you'll crack 1000km on a tank!
I find my Ioniq more fun than the A4 it replaced, and a better ride in traffic or long trip. Will never want to deal with jerky gear changes ever again... But it is the lack of gas smell & engine vibration that I like best about EV
You'll grow out of it eventually, probably. But no worries if not, it would be no fun if we all had the same taste! I'm old, a smooth ride without gear change jerkiness keeps my bladder at peace!
Like any car it's how you drive it. EVs are a laugh riot, explosive out of slow corners. They're just a different flavor and after decades in all sorts of cars from rotary, turbo 4's, inline and V6 to V8's, it all eventually became repetitive to some degree, it's awesome to have something truly different with crazy power from 0rpm and amazing throttle response at any rpm, that's so consistent it elevates your abilities because you know exactly how it will respond every damned time you squeeze that pedal. It's a sniper rifle in a world of black powder muskets.
Agreed. It's crazy how I will get passed aggressively by Accords and Chargers but as soon as I'm in a good enough position I floor my Y and silently leave them in the dust.
If I felt that way- I’d have an EV. Not yet- I live rural and there aren’t any/enough charging stations.
But- and neither view is rly wrong. A car is not just an appliance to go from a to b. It’s a dance with a machine. You could block out the tach and still know when to shift by the sound of the engine. You do’t rly listen to music as much as the engine. AC? Maybe if it’s 90 or above. Windows down, a decent plant pulling miles is music to some.
You know which tire is low or high pressure by the feel in the corners. Ride quality isn’t measured by comfort but by grip and lateral g.
EVs are more comfy, cheaper, smoother and faster. Who cares! There’s less interaction with a machine and what little there is is muted.
Heel-toe shifting. Rev matching. Or even a very satisfying double clutched down shift. Entry Apex and giving it the beans and feeling the car hit that sweet spot which let you know- yep- I finally nailed that turn.
If I live to 75/80 I’ll probably have no choice. (I’m 56) but I’m going to hold on to driving (rather than just riding in) my car. No matter if it’s more convenient, safer, faster, etc, bc it’ll never be as fun as my Chevelle was or my spitfire. Sentra R or wrx.
It’s okay, you are a dinosaur and don’t like change. That’s and old tale since humans began thinking, always afraid of change and stuck in their old ways.
Not afraid. Just love cars. Working on.. Changing oil. Filters. Swapping seasonal tires. Yeah all seasons are good all year. But they’re not as good as a summer performance tire in summer or a winter performance tire in winter. Changing shocks. Doing brakes. And Driving em. I’ve always maintained my own cars. Most of them had mid to good performance.
Even rebuilt a 302 for a cougar I had and the inline 6 in the spitfire.
No fear- just a lifelong love will run its course. Like all things do. But yeah- in this I’m a total dinosaur at 55. But I’ve been under the hood since I was 8 with my uncle and my grandpa. (Dad want a gearhead)
I’ll miss it. The new cars are amazing performers. Better than anything I ever owned. Performance isn’t everything. But they don’t scratch the itch. Sound. The feel of the pedals and steering.
The most fun car was the worst performing I owned from a 0-60 or 1/4 mile perspective. But nothing was as fun to drive as the spitfire.
My Mach e has just as much soul as any automatic car I have driven. It could never match the thrill of a manual sports car, but you can still have a lot of fun with it.
Forget soul. My EV is such a blast to drive, it has ruined all other cars for me. If I press the pedal, I want my vehicle to just go, no hesitation, no transmission changes. Every ICE vehicle hesitates.
It’s an appliance. Soulless but gets the job done better
Stuff doesn't have "soul" because it is loud, has a ton of moving parts, leaks oil, and is unreliable. I have never understood this logic. It's just nostalgia and conservatism couched in fancy words like "soul".
Does a wood worker feel his manual hand tools have more "soul" than his motorized tools? Or do you feel your gas operated clothes dryer has more soul and character than an electric clothes dryer??
"It's an appliance" because cars ARE appliances. To put it differently, by your logic, a horse buggy has more "soul" than your new fangled smelly leaky automobile. There's no better feeling than to smell horse manure in the morning and the best morning exercise is to shovel horseshit first thing before getting to work.
All you people have to realize that only horse buggies have true character and you're only infatuated with your automobiles because "they are appliances".
This is basically what I have done. I have an electric for going to work and doing little errands, wife has a late model awd ICE for her stuff plus trips then an old pick up truck for when I do truck things and a hobby car.
Im in the same boat car wise. Daily is a M3P, off-roader is a '89 Dodge Raider, utility is a '96 F-150, and then my fun weekend car is a boosted '99 Miata
Ive owned a bunch of cars and I gotta say for a daily you cannot compete with an EV. Full charge in the morning, fastest thing stoplight to stoplight around town, quiet, and is loaded with some neat tech.
Four years in and Ive changed tires twice, two cabin air filters, and had to have the rear axels re-greased to stop some clicking which was covered under warranty. The only con is that I bought during peak used market so the value has tanked. I do not plan on getting rid of it until it becomes too expensive to own
When it gets to a point of being a full on personal chauffeur I’ll then absolutely buy one. I want to sit in the back of an S class that drives me anywhere I need to be.
I’m a serial trader in. Have had a Supra, Toyota, a sweet gmc suv, many many bmws, but about a year ago my kids switched schools and I’m doing over 20k miles per year. I’m carting kids all over the damn place. Traded in my bmw for an EV. Was sad to lose the soul and sound of ICE. That lasted about 5 minutes because this car is fast and smooth and fun and downright cheap to run. I kinda want another
If I ever move to a big city, hell yea. But as it is now, in my small(ish) Texas city, I'll take my gas sedan. Also this would be in the future, at least 10-15 years from now, and I would need a fun weekend car too
Infrastructure and it just makes sense to drive an electric for short distances, it's where they excel. Hybrids too but I rather have a few hundred electric ponies than like 100 gas and 50 electric in a hybrid. Also charging during the weekend for enough "gas" for the weekdays.
Lifelong car lover here -- I almost pulled the trigger on an EV during the pandemic, but ultimately got a hybrid instead. I'm attracted to the technology, reliability, and speed of EVs, although I still have some concerns about the availability of public charging. The opening of the Tesla charging network to other brands is a huge a gamechanger. I'm pretty sure my next car will be an EV, I just have to wait until my kids finish college before I can buy it.
I'm in the market for a mid-range crossover, and my current preferences are the Kia EV6, the Hyundai Ioniq 5, and the Ford Mustang Mach-E. With the recent price reductions, the Tesla Model X should be on my list, but I'm not crazy about Tesla's build quality, or the fact that many of their cars' controls are relegated to the touch screen.
I inherited a Bolt. For local driving, it’s my go-to vehicle. Any trips further away than 100 miles, I use my 4Runner or Camaro SS with a manual transmission. I have to adjust to driving with 1, 2, or 3 pedals.
Probably not. I had a Polestar as a hire car once and it was the most boring, annoying day of my life. The cars are just incredible boring to drive, then sitting there for 35 minutes to charge up was painful. At the end of the day I was so thankful to get back in to my car.
Definitely. If I could have an EV charger installed in my apartment building parkade I would have one right now.
I do a long road trip maybe a couple times a year, so I could rent a car for that. The overall savings would be negligible once I account for that and the higher insurance premium that just comes with a newer vehicle, but the quality of life improvement would be huge. Never having to stop for fuel because the car is always charged at home, instant heat in the winter, less maintenance to worry about, etc.
Hell yes. Too many pluses to not. As a car guy I will only miss the sounds of a v8. But I won’t miss changing all that Dino-fluid. And in exchange for all the maintenance I will no longer have to do I get the crazy acceleration of an electric drive. I test drove a model S in Ludicrous mode. During full throttle acceleration onto a highway my face started to get numb. Yes please.
When they find a way to lengthen the life of the battery then it will be worth it to me. Lithium ion batteries aren’t new and they degrade and hold a smaller charge over time. Show me a 10 year old EV on the original battery and motors, without any degradation and I would be in. My last knock on the EV is they are an appliance that just serve a purpose and don’t inspire innovation spurred by enthusiasm.
My current dream car is a C8 Z06, to qualify myself as someone who doesn't ride the EV pole hard-core.
I took one look underneath a Tesla and knew it was a better option for daily use and high mileage. There are literally like 10 main parts that make the car operate, and they rarely break. It's not rare to see a Tesla Model 3 go 250k+ miles with no major issues. The issues an ICE can have are just too plentiful and complex for me to want to take one to high mileage. The maintenance savings alone makes it worth it to me. And a Model 3 is a great road trip car.
I'm also in the south east, so when a hurricane comes and everyone is scrambling to prepare, I simply charge the car to 100% the day the storm hits, and I can power my essentials if the power goes out. It makes the whole hurricane prep thing a complete nonissue.
I definitely would get a plug in Hybrid for a daily driver… especially if they can do a range like the new 2025 ram chargers are claiming. But again I farm so I don’t know how electric would do pulling the stuff we have to pull… I tow 18-20,000 pounds a lot and don’t see how electric would be god for that when going long range. But I have thought about an electric car for my wife just to go back and forth to work since she drives about 60 miles a day, but then I would still want to get a gas car for long road trips to visit her family that lives 500+ miles away
My wife’s Chevy bolt was just totaled and now we got her a Lexus gx460. There definitely some advantages to an electric car but they didn’t outweigh the disadvantages and would not get one again until they really get the technology down.
Yes I’m considering a f150 lightning for my around town work truck but I’m still keeping my other truck. I like cars in general so if I think it’s cool I’m going to like it be it a 3cyl, a massive v12, or anything in between. Some people say I’m not a true car guy because I do like electric cars and motorcycles but whatever.
Possibly for local driving/commuting but never for road trips until they figure out a legit way to make it to where recharge stops are no longer than 15 minutes. I’m a “forward progress” driver on trips. I want to be moving forward at all times to get there as fast as possible. If we eat, it’s while we are making forward progress. Stops are limited to restroom, fuel, and food that can be eaten in the car. Stopping for 45 min to get me enough charge to get to the next supercharger 2 hours from here is NOT an option.
Sure. As soon as it's practical, economically sensible, and convenient. For me, that means something with at least 400 miles of range on a charge, within $3k of an equivalent gas model, and capable of charging to near full within 20 minutes.
Speaking of charging, the charging network in the rural US is awful. That's especially true if you're not on the coasts. Even if half of the big interstate travel centers (i.e. Love's) had 2-4 reliably working fast chargers on site, I'd feel a lot more comfortable traveling with an EV.
Thats true in raw numbers, but practically I've found long road trips
less convenient than the math would show, for a few reasons.
Generally at fast chargers you charge only to 80%. Also you don't plan to arrive at the charging station with <10% SoC, so you only get ~70% of the full range as your actual range. Charging 80-100% may take 20-30 minutes depending on the car since they derate significantly (my Ioniq 5 derates from ~200kw/hr to ~50k/hr).
My Ioniq 5 gets significantly worse mi/kw on the highway. To work typically I get 3.2 - 3.4 mi/kw. , on my last interstate road trip I average around 2.4 mi/kw. My car's full range went from ~260mi down to ~210mi. In the Minnesota winter, mileage is noticeably lower as well.
Chargers may be full upon arrival, and they are not always conveniently placed along your trip. If a charger is full, you can't always drive down the street to find another one, you're stuck waiting where you are.
A 400 mile trip in a 300 mile range EV could get maybe 225 miles at interstate speed (plus additional road trip weight). So you can get about halfway (assuming a charger is conveniently at your halfway point) before you need a charge (to 100%). You can charge to 10-80% in about 20 minutes but that last 20% will take another 20 minutes. This will also mean you arrive at your destination with 25-50 miles of range, so you'll need another charge (again, assuming a charger is conveniently at your designation) back up to 100% before your journey home, which is another 40 minutes charging at least.
Maybe some exaggerated number here since I'm doing this off memory, but you get the point. Theoretical and actual numbers are different
10-50% is a lot faster than 10-80%, moreso than the math would show. As the battery charges, the charging rate decreases. But for the first 50% (in a Tesla) it charges near full speed. It tends to be more time-efficient to charge up to 50% and stop more often. In the middle of winter maybe that means two 15-minute stops instead of one 6-minute one. (Assuming there are enough chargers, which isn't so much of a problem in a Tesla.) Could go on but already we're way too far down in the weeds for someone who thinks they need 400 mi range minimum.
Bottom line, stopping 1-2 times on a trip isn't a big deal once you take the plunge. It's actually nice having an excuse to take a break. Unions fought tooth and nail for 10 minute breaks every two hours yet people will drive for 5 hours straight without a break, making themselves miserable in the process. I remember needing time to decompress after a long drive like that. But between Autopilot and the built-in Reddit breaks, it's so much easier now. I don't think twice about hopping in the Tesla and visiting family on short notice. I loved my old manual Subaru but I would be grumpy if I had to drive across state in it.
For most people, and I understand you may not fall into this camp, the VAST majority of their driving is within two hours of their home. That means with most EVs you rarely need big range or fast charging. In exchange you get never having to stop for gas for most of the year, and exchange you lose some time on road trips.
Fwiw i purchased a Ford lightning pro extended range. My out the door price was less than MSRP for the cheapest crew cab 4x4 F150 i could get. My Pro is MUCH more well equipped than a no option XL and is a frigging ROCKET. Seriously, other than engine sound the driving experience is the best I have ever had out of my 20+ vehicles.
I have done long trips with it. One was vacation 550 miles away, the other was 1000 miles out one day, and 1000 miles back another, over a long weekend. The vacation was fine, each stop was about 10 minutes more than we liked to spend. The 2000 mile weekend was a bit more rough. 1000 miles was already rough for one day of driving and yes the charging did make that longer, add in holiday traffic and it was a rough day coming back. Those trips were middle US, nowhere near the coasts (Michigan and Wisconsin to be precise).
As for chargers they are a lot more common than folks think. They hide in the corner of parking lots, or at various businesses, so they don't stand out. I suggest trying "A Better Route Planner" for a trip you think you would take, picking an EV that seems interesting to you. ABRP will tell you where to stop, how long you spend there, how long your drive to the next charger, etc.
With a big inefficient ev like my Lightning (and it's relatively slow charging) it isn't great on road trips. Something like a Tesla charges faster and has WAY less battery to fill. It will easily charge in well less than half the time of my truck and I was only spending about 35 minutes charging
lol everyone thinks they need to be able to tow the Statue of Liberty to Nebraska for some reason. They also are disingenuous w the fast charging taking so much extra time because they don’t count the time they spend at the gas station, for some reason, so it’s not an apples-to-apples comparison. Unless you’re getting paid to go get gas, or get your gas delivered to you, you need to factor that time in. I’ll gladly spend extra time charging during those 5-10 days I’m away from my “gas station” at home, because I’ve saved time in the long run. Figure ten min once a week, that’s nearly 10 hours of “extra” time you’ve created by not having to go to the gas station. Even more if you’re one of the dozens of people I see at Costco waiting in line to save $0.10 on a gallon of gas.
Hauling. Just fine. Weight has very little impact.
Plowing? I don't know, I would think just great, it's not like you are doing a lot of miles.
Towing, it's also excellent TO tow, but obviously range is severely limited. Aside from hotshots most businesses would be fine towing, where it really tanks is very long distances at very high speeds pulling an aerodynamic brick (aka, glamping). Still, it will do that for nearly two hours, running a dump bed around at NOT-70mph and it should do a solid 3 hours of straight driving.
That said, most trucks are NOT used for those things so I don't know why everyone wants to stand on that hill.
The long distance towing ability is my problem with them. And I don’t know where you got the notion most trucks aren’t used for these things, is that not the main reason to get them? If you don’t need to tow haul plow etc. then why are you buying a truck?
That being said I have a friend with a lightning and it’s definitely a cool truck. He only says positive things about it. Might have to give it a test drive
OK, so don't buy one, buy one of the other 99.5% of the truck market. A 4cyl two door 1/2 ton isn't good at towing either, that doesn't mean that it doesn't have a place in the market or a use for someone. He'll, most of the trucks you see are half tons which are far inferior to 3/4 tons for towing.
Why buy a truck? Ask truck owners. But at the end of the day US truck usage is significantly NOT for long distance towing, and yet there are a lot of them out there. There are a lot more uses for them than just towing a glamper across the country.
I think a big factor is capability as well. Just because you don’t own a tractor and platform trailer doesn’t mean you won’t own one in the future and want to tow it. I think that’s why a lot of people buy them and don’t actively use them that way.
Side question: how is the truck to work on yourself? I know they require much less maintenance than an ICE (basically just wheels and brakes right?), but curious how easy/difficult that maintenance is.
Eih, just as likely to need a 3/4 ton for the future yet most still buy 1/2 tons.
To work on? Can't say I have done much since it's still new and under warranty. Lots of computers, which if you are into can be fun. The Ford architecture is easily modified so I have added a bunch of cool things. In the future j will be adding the radar module and activating adaptive cruise and active lane centering, although mostly for fun.
Downside, it's HEAVY. All my regular vehicle stuff is pretty marginal now, to be safe you should really have stuff rated for a Super Duty. 6000lb jack stands are fine when you are holding up a 4500 lb car, there is less "overage" when it's a 6800 lbs truck. Still in the rating but when crawling under it I want a fair bit of extra safety. And with 4 jack points ONLY i don't know how I'm going to go about doing tire rotations.
Upside, best damn car i have driven, and I've owned over 20. I miss the sound but DANG, nothing moves like this. It's insane. You have a full sized truck getting to 60 faster than a vette. It's always on the power, it's always in the right gear, and with the regenerative braking it's like an extension of your right foot. It's still a heavy truck and corners like it, but dang, everywhere else it just GOES
Damn only 4 Jack points on a car that heavy would have me just bringing it to a mechanic at that point. Might be beneficial depending on where you live to do two sets (winter tires if you have snow) and that way you can still have them rotated every 6 months or so.
How well does it brake with that much weight? I’ve never actually driven an EV but have gotten carsick in the passenger of a few teslas with how fast they are. Almost scary how quiet it is since my previous experience of fast cars were from big ICEs (drive a stick shift challenger with the 6.4L hemi) that you can hear from a mile away.
It has a full solid frame so I'm sure it's fine to jack up there too, but no rear diff so putting it on stands seems dicey.
It feels like it stops fine, feels like any other truck to be honest. Winter will be the true test.
I know what you mean about tesla, they run a pretty aggressive regeneration. Imo Ford tuned this perfectly and in normal mode it feels like any other truck, none of that on off feeling. You can crank up the automatic regen if you want but you don't have to. They did a nice job with the blended brakes too. Anytime you use the brake pedal it puts as much energy back into the battery it can, it won't even use the mechanical brakes until you try and stop quite firmly and then it blends the two perfectly. From what I see not all evs do it as well.
I miss the sound but the performance more than makes up for it, that's for sure. It's got big block pull but does it EVERYWHERE, it pulls near as hard at 60 as it does from a stop.
Other than "within 3k of equivalent gas", we're actually really close, if not there already. There are EVs with a 400 mile range and can charge to near full in 20 minutes simultaneously.
Lucid air, both rivians and the Tesla model S all have 400 minimum with some configurations(with the lucid at 516, it's a range monster).
Using the lucid air grand touring as an example, going from 20 to 80% takes 15 minutes if you have a power supply that will feed it. So, something like 309 miles in 15 minutes of charging. 20 minutes may net an optimistic 412 miles.
It also produces 819hp, but what do you compare it with in the world of ICE? To me, it prices like The German triplets of 7/A8/S class, but is sized like the class below of 5/A6/E? It costs more than the 7/A8 but less than the S. If the vehicle truly belongs with that group as a comparison, I don't know.
The tech is still new for mass market, we haven't truly hit the Model T moment for EVs yet. I think that was the intent behind Tesla's model 3, but it didn't quite make that splash.
Single most sold model, but it's a very crowded field. The model T allowed for Ford to grow from under 10% in 1908 to roughly 60% of the entire market in 1921 with a production record that has yet to be exceeded of a little over 2 million sold in 1923.
What Tesla accomplished with the Y is impressive, but their market share in the US is only 4.2% for their entire lineup for 2023. They haven't replicated the success of the model T, I don't know that it's possible either.
The model T was a car for people that couldn't previously afford a new car, which of course was most people in those days. The world is now saturated with cars, in that context the Y's sales are impressive.
It’s honestly really close, at least on the Tesla superchargers. You can totally leave home at 100%, stop at a charger at 20% and be back to 80% in 15 minutes. The tax credit makes prices close, about the only limitation is that range tops out at 300 miles vs 400, but that’s a factor in the price.
The critical bit is charging at home, if you can do that, range and cost becomes a lot more complicated vs a gas car. You really only have to tink about road trips over 200 miles.
Eventually when the infrastructure is better built to support them. But I’m keeping my 4Runner because that thing is 4WD and will survive the apocalypse.
Yeah, I have bowed to the inevitable: electric cars are the future. But that future won't come to pass until they become more affordable, with longer running time and shorter charging time. Another reason I have no interest in them at the current time is this: If my fossil-fuel vehicle starts to run low on that fuel, it will continue to run at full speed and power until the last drop burns. Whereas, when an electric vehicle loses charge, it will get slower and weaker and grind to a halt.
Never!!! No country has a power grid capable of charging all those cars. And if your in a state where it gets extremely cold it takes way way way longer to charge it. Not to mention if you take it to 0% charge it then has to get towed. Most manufacturers only swap out the battery if there's a issue which is absolutely bs. They are all made up of cells which can be swapped out if bad. Not to mention the cost of replacing one of those batteries.
My wife got an EV and I'm all in on them now. We do have a charger at home so that helps, just plug in at night and it's ready to go in the morning. Only adds about $56/ month to the electric bill. If we have to charge our and about its only 18 minutes 20% to 80%. It's so much nicer to drive than my ICE, especially in daily traffic. It's hella fun to stomp the accelerator. I still get excited to do it even after having it for 18 months.
Love mine, but track cars are always gas.
I own a c8, tesla model 3 performance, model y, Acura rdx, G37 convertible, 21 Camry, 24 Honda pilot.
I almost always drive the m3p because I have 2 kids 99% of the time. Family wise EVs are great. For me. I'd like to trade my c8 for a Porche. But the lady already is eyeballing it to get rid of it. 😅 No kids, I'd daily the c8.
I currently have two daily drivers w the gonzo M156 6.2 L V8 . Crazy cars, lots of fun.
However. I see electric as inevitable. There are sone interesting pure electric and gas electric hybrid performance vehicles out there - instantly in the power band as far as hp and tq, quieter and the infrastructure and range are shaping up nicely.
I feel like folks are blacksmiths and ferriers looking at the Model T going “oh, that will never catch on…”
I might be the oddball, but I want a retrofit to make my old truck an EV or hybrid. I've been following some of what Edison motors is doing and I'm excited. I have an 88 C1500 that I would love to drive on a regular basis. But an anemic 350 tbi motor that gets 14mpg on a good day, means that won't happen.
Being able to retrofit some EV axles, a battery pack, and some of the supporting components would allow me to enjoy the vehicle I want to drive. I also don't trust a lot of the newer vehicles and the extensive dependency on computers and sensors. I don't need a massive infotainment system. I'm happy with BT on my phone to a head unit. I don't need tons of sensors making it so I need a PhD to decipher trouble codes. I want to be able to work on my own stuff.
With a retrofit kit that's been properly scienced out, it alleviates all the hurdles to implementation. Then the biggest concern is the cost. Once it gets down to the point where it's equivalent to a used vehicle then I'm going to seriously consider selling my daily driver to make my truck a daily. We'll still have my wife's car for anything that requires actual range.
TL:DR Older cars and trucks are cooler IMO. Being able to make that an EV or hybrid in my own shop would be an amazing option. It's still a ways off though.
I'll check that out, but the last time I looked into it there were still too many issues and the costs hadn't come down enough to make it feasible.
Handling power steering, hydraulic brakes, A/C, and a 12v electrical system all take specific answers. These things have all been scienced out by different people in different ways. I'm sure there's going to be a more user/swap friendly set of options that emerge after people start showing more interest in these types of conversions.
The other issue is the costs involved. To buy the necessary components to control it all, the cabling, the battery pack, and the motor(s) it's still just too expensive. You're talking new car territory. I have a functioning motor and the money I'd spend on a conversion would be better served in body/paint work.
I've seen where there were plans for an electric motor that could be swapped in place of a normal motor and run the built-in driveshaft. That seems like it would work but I think it would limit a few things in regen capabilities and parasitic losses. I've also seen electric axles where the motors are either in-line with the hubs or attached to the differential. Going that route would let you take a 2wd truck and make it AWD. That seems really interesting to me. I don't have a ton of use for that, but it still seems more appealing to me.
Do any of us have an oil well at our houses? Oil refinery equipment so we can make a gallon of gas?
FFS, the whole infrastructure is wrong. I should be able to swap batteries, not be chained to a parking lot with a charger. This whole thing is lazy as it gets. This is at best a gimmick in it's 'current' state.
Late to the party but traded my manual 6 speed supercharged audi for an etron. Sometimes I'm sad but overall the etron is amazing and doesn't leak. No transmission or ice motor maintenance is nice. Electricity is far cheaper than gas.
I had one. It’s a great commuter for around town. Didn’t like it for long drives and it wasn’t as enjoyable to me as an ICE vehicle. I may have another one one day if I have a purpose for a third vehicle.
I own 2 evs, along with multiple other cars. The honest truth is you pretty much have 2 have 2 cars. Your ev, then another one for times an ev just won't work. They each have their own place. I don't compare and ev to an ice, it's a different category to me. Similar to my motorcycle vs my truck, each have their own purpose
IMHO they’re already better than the gas counterpart. They’re so, so much faster and quieter - and I leave home with a full “tank”, no need to stop on route for most trips.
Range anxiety is not a thing, outside of oil company messaging.
You never hear of EV drivers talking about range anxiety because, once we have worked out how they operate, it is never a worry.
I had range anxiety for about 1 hour and 23 minutes when I drove my Model Y home and the dealer had only charged it to 40%. Went to the nearest Supercherger thinking it would be my worst nightmare. Plugged in at the SC. Watched some Netflix on the screen and I was at 80% in about 11 minutes. That was the only time I’ve felt range anxiety since I bought. Look at the Supercharger national map. 🗺️ Anxiety gone. And I charge at home and leave every day with a “full tank” of electrons
Depends where you live, perhaps. I have chargers absolutely everywhere, on any route I’d ever take - it’s an absolute non-issue at this point. Range anxiety was kinda a 2016 thing?
Absolutely. As long as I can still own an ICE car to enjoy, i would love a low maintenance EV that will hopefully have a usable self driving with much faster charging, and cheap insurance costs. It's the perfect appliance, and I'm sure everyone would benefit from an actually good EV. The tech is just not there.
The only thing holding me back is the range while towing. Once they get the batteries straight I am gonna be getting one… in 5-10 years cause new is crazy expencive
Im planning on building an electric race car after 2030, but I personally would never daily drive an EV because I actually put hundreds of miles each night (at least for now).
so I been a jeep guy all my life and im on my second Tesla right now, I drive a lot and save a TON of money in gas and driving in general is more relaxing. I dont pay to charge my car so I have free "gas" pretty much.
Once charging infrastructure meets or exceeds what ICE has now, sure, I’ll make electric my daily. EVs are more efficient and requires less maintenance.
Looks like responses went on a tangent some from the question.
In a nutshell, I would not own an EV today. I might consider a plug in hybrid, but not pure EV. But not sold Lithium ion batteries are there yet (for cars any).
I simply don’t buy the hype, think government pushing it is all wrong, and unless you have home charging in the green area power of US, we aren’t doing the world any favors with EV.
Lithium ion batteries aren’t completely researched as to the damage we are doing to mine and manufacturer these batteries. And when they burn,they are extremely toxic, very dangerous.
I have a 3x/week commute with heavy city traffic, and the industry I'm in is trending towards RTO. No EV is replacing my track car or the F150 that tows it but I'm seriously adding an electric toaster for commuting tasks.
My truck is overkill for commuting, and it's been a magnet for bad drivers running into it.
The fuel savings won't completely offset insuring an additional car, but I would love if an appliance of an EV could absorb all the damage other drivers are doing to me. I've been hit 3x in the last 3 years by other drivers, while completely stopped in traffic/street parked. Breaks my heart every time and costs me hundreds/thousands each time to get fixed properly even though the other driver is liable, but if it's an appliance of an EV? I won't care if the paint is slightly off or if parts are aftermarket.
I'm interested in a used Mach E, because the insurance seems normally priced, and it has level 2 self driving that works quite well in my F150. It's the right tool for the task.
Only if the technology gets better. Right now, it's not worth it. Takes me 5 min to gas up vs. an hour or more for electric. Conventional is more reliable - build quality just isn't there on electric. I don't want a subscription for self driving. They suck in the winter. Battery life is like 10 years - imagine buying a car with an engine that's guaranteed to need to be replaced in 10 years - no thx. Cant get parts for them. Too much software and too many things to go wrong with it. My 25 year old toyota with a 4 cylinder has 300k miles on it and nothing wrong with it, still has cold ac even.
I would drive one, but not a tesla and I'm picky. Fuck Elon. I love manual cars. They can make manual EVs; I've seen it done before, and I would buy one. I also hate SUVs and trucks.
yeah honestly i would only get an auto EV if i had to commute in the city, but if i had to do that i would just use public transportation. so for me it's unlikely, but i never know. still in school.
One day maybe in 15-20 years when it can be charged in under 5 mins, solved the battery issues with longevity and fires, get rid of the stupid iPad at the center and give me back buttons to change the radio and A/C.
I had a rental polestar for about 30 days when my car got hit, great car to drive and fast. Took me 5 mins to figure out how to control the A/C on the center screen. Took 2.5 days to fully charge at my house using a regular plug, all the fast charges were broken or had a line of a few cars deep. I spent 4 hours one night driving from charger to charger trying to find a working fast charger, gave up used a level 2 at the mall. Parked it at 10pm came back at 1am and only to find I gained about 15% battery.
That night made me realize electric cars are just a novelty right now and not for mains year use. I promise I will Never again mess with an EV until I can charge in under 5 mins.
Also screw those tinted glass roofs, I kept getting sunburned on my head and literally had to put sunscreen on everyday. The genius who thought that was a good idea needs to be fired…right into the sun.
I’ll be buying 2 new cars before the EV mandate and since I’ve been averaging 5K miles a year for the decade+ I’ve been driving, it should last me the rest of my life splitting the miles.
I'm quite interested in the Edison motors route. I've always liked a variety of engine types from configuration to fuel, aspiration, the whole 9. And I think were I able to diesel electric hybrid swap a gen 2 dakota for a decent price I'd jump for it. Torque, efficiency, diesel noises. Good stuff.
In 2018, when I sold my house, all I wanted to do was buy a hellcat, crank Hulk Hogan's theme music, and smoke my tires until they exploded.... but Dodge wanted to play a bunch of games.
I reluctantly went to test drive a Tesla model 3 performance, and they let me take the car home overnight. I spent the night smoking every car I saw, testing 0-100-0 multiple times, and fucking around with autopilot in all sorts of irresponsible ways. I was sold.
I'm not trying to save Earth, I live in America, I just want to go fast and see some titties.
Same story here. It just has a massive “holy fucking shit this thing is fast” factor, handles really well, is just a fun car to drive. I love how you can kinda nail it off the line with no noise (and no negative attention…). The fact that it costs me like $7 to “fill” never gets old, either.
I wasn’t shopping for one, but it kinda sold itself.
I don't know much about it, but it's kind of blasphemous.
It's like going to see Sam Kinison do a sign language show, fuck that, I want it to be unapologetically loud with so much torque that the frame twists and becomes unusable on the drive home.
I think it will have a lot of torque, but probably will be refined torque with fake engine noises.
The thing is, I own two V8s and I love them. But I drove a Tesla Plaid and was blown away. The torque is absurd so I can definitely see the appeal. I'm open to owning a big torque EV in the future with fake engine noises. It's like cosplay V8.
That's exactly what it feels like. If you haven't tried a Plaid, try it. I thought a M3P was fast enough and then I tried the Plaid. Tripled the speed limit (120 in a 45) in the first hour and it made me realize I need to chill the fuck out real fast before I take out half the neighborhood.
Maybe, I don’t foresee myself ever being wealthy enough for a brand new car to make financial sense, and used EVs aren’t exactly something I’d be interested in given all the annoyances they have compared to an ICE vehicle. (Rural area, I’m an EV certified master tech, don’t even waste your time arguing with me)
My current car is an 18 year old that drives like new but this will be my last combustion vehicle so I'm driving it as long as I can to allow EV technology to mature without creating demand for ICE cars
I’ve owned a ton of enthusiast cars and here I am driving a 580hp ford lightning now. It’s just too damn convenient. No plugs filters turbos clutches or sitting in line at Costco to buy “cheap” 93 octane. My next car will probably be a 3 series sized EV. Instant torque is addictive and all that’s missing is the cool vroom vroom sound.
Fun fact: Over half of ICE drivers wait for the fuel light before getting gas. So the avg ev range far exceeds the avg range of an avg gas vehicle at any given time
The only way I would own an EV is if it was given to me and I didn't have to pay for it in any way (other than charging), or the gub'ment forces me to get one.
If they solve their shortcomings and make it viable for what I need? Of course. I love the idea of a simpler car with fewer moving parts and with shitloads of torque.
But at the moment, it's not there. I don't have time to wait 45 minutes or more to refuel.
One problem that will become more apparent with time: Rednecks like to tinker. You get a fuel leak on a Hemi and you have a slight clean up, maybe a small fire. With a battery pack? Can you say 'crispy critters'?
I would love to own an EV, but currently the advantage of lower cost of ownership than a new Toyota Camry really only appeals to people who buy new Toyota Camrys. I am not one of these people. EVs would have to become viable in the used car market before I would consider one. I'll probably drive ice cars for another 20 years before that happens.
Just picked up a 2021 Model Y with 72k on it for 23k before tax, tags and reg and I qualified for the EV rebate in Mass. I’ve had it for 4 months now. Best car I’ve ever driven and I work in the motorsports business. God it’s cheap to drive charging at night. I save money with every mile and it’s fun. I mean really fun. More fun than I expected and my expectations were high as giraffe pussy.
I did a few years ago. Model Y LR Dual Motor with the older 74 kwh pack. Real world highway range is ~240. It is perfect for local travel and pretty good at long road trips.
The in-between stuff is the trickiest part. ~150-200 one ways miles for a day trip (ie, 300-400 round trip)? This is where you are most likely to see issue with charger placement right now, in my experience. It is also when the stops are harder to plan without impacting my schedule.
Another 100 miles of real highway range and I'd have almost zero difference in trip times with this compared to a gas car. The Model 3 LR RWD is already really close.
Tbh, most people don't realize just how close this is, or even how relatively mature the supercharger network is at this point. It isn't perfect, but it is pretty good in a lot of places.
I own a 2017 corolla im 6spd that I hate.... the sad reality is it will take 20 years from now until I have 100k milea based on how I drive.... potentially I might not be able to get gas for this rotten thing in the future I loath this car but anything will do almost.
I'm not going to say never. I probably will one day, but I don't think it's in the next 10-20 years. My biggest grope against electric is the recharge time. It takes me a few minutes to refuel my ICE vehicle. Thats just not possible right now with electric cars.
Best driving vehicle i have had out of my 20+ different vehicles. Take the most precise, best throttle response, engine you have ever driven. Make it always in the perfect gear. And then make it twice as good as that. The downside, you lose the sound.
Granted, mine is a truck and handles like a truck, so there is that.
Having owned damn near every engine type, a lover of manuals, and someone who is very much into the joy of driving, this thing has been awesome. For my everyday driving it's better than my V8s, my stick shifts, all of them, and frankly with the performance is JUST as fun to drive.
I'll put a big cam ls toy in the garage sometime later for the joy of it, but I don't regret the EV at all.
Oh, and it is CHEAP to drive. About $100 for electricity and we drive it a lot. It is 3 mo old and has 7000 miles, granted 3k of that was some road trips.
No physical mods but I have done the glare free lighting and it's AWESOME! Did a few more changes as well and trailer side view cams when you use the turn signal is great, too bad it only works when a trailer is connected. Aside from that I disabled some chimes and took the stupid "full view not available" off the camera view.
It’s crazy how once you get past the regenerative nature of the throttle, the car literally does what your brain wants it to do. It takes away three separate inputs and places them into your throttle foot.
It’s so hard to explain that feeling to others who haven’t spent enough time with an EV.
You become one with the car. Granted, I haven’t driven many EVs, but I don’t remember driving a single ICE car that behaves and drives as well as my goofy-ass i3 does.
Plus, it costs me like $2 to drive 100mi.
I think a lot of car guys are just too stuck in their ways, and will stubbornly hold onto their notions. I’ve got plenty of friends who live and die by the idea that my car will need an expensive new battery any moment now.
Yea people is just too stuck on their old ways and would say anything bad about teslas just so they can feel good about their inefficient ICE car but is okay lol.
Yes if i'm forced to, but i'll hack it to work as i want, also hack in a diesel generator for unlimited range. These thing are so software bloated and closed up i want to puke.
To many gas powered cars I want. I think EVs are going to come to a point in which there are tiers for powertrain.
Only difference from manufacturer to manufacturer will be the body and interior. They are soulless.
Absolutely. The thing that hasn't really developed yet is aftermarket parts and independent shops for service. When that happens it will catch on big time.
I would buy an EV for a daily driver once prices come down but I think I'll always want some sort of ICE to tinker with. Despite the fear mongering, I don't think ICE vehicles will go away completely.
Sure. The industry runs on selling a series of half-baked solutions, so maintaining a vehicle and keeping it out of the landfill isn't a bad strategy. That said, we need to bulk up the grid AND address the loads on the grid by upgrading our houses HVAC etc. before we can fully convert. If you bankrupt yourself running after each new option that is somewhat better, you are also jettisoning lots of legacy tech. Good timing and a preference for less-disposable purchases, to me, is a general path forward. When my current cars are done, it will be some new more efficient option. What will battery tech be like at that point. No idea. What I dislike about the current care market is the height and size of vehicles. Batteries can ride low with the weight low. Add in the torque potential, and it's a great recipe for great driving cars. Instead, we have the bloated monster vehicles, each trying to sit a bit higher than last years. That trend needs to go away.
separately, BIl owns one plug in, one full EV. He drives the EV on a 100 mile round trip daily commute and loves it (model 3) and has had the car probably three years so far? It's got to be over 100k miles and he mentioned something about the battery having somewhere between 80 and 90% of its original range at this point.
The drive is almost entirely highway and the car charges overnight, which would probably be nice compared to stopping for gas more than once a week. His electricity in NEPA is also 12 cents a kw hr total, so what's that work out to? 4 cents a mile?
Plug in car has caused more problems.
I am the opposite - don't drive much, but usually trips, and my car is just a run of the mill toyota hybrid.
No, they don’t make sense currently. A plug in hybrid, maybe. Full electric doesn’t have the range required to be a full time/only vehicle. The environmental aspect is largely inflated. The plug in hybrid is attractive, as it’s electric for the short runs but gas back up for long drives, but I’m not sure the additional costs/complexities are worth it. They aren’t the answer as to the replacement of the ICE vehicle.
I would seriously consider an electric car. Assuming I was able to set up a home charger, had a spare ICE vehicle for long distance/cold weather travel. And since I tend to keep a car for a long time (my current car is 15 yrs old) the vehicle would need to have replaceable batteries and there would have to be an established aftermarket industry able to provide refurbished battery packs. Currently those last two items eliminate 90% of the current market of electric cars from serious consideration.
There is no way I would consider an electric car unless there is a viable path to updating / replacing the batteries.
The only way I'll buy an electric car is when you can charge it as fast as a fuel up and they have significant range. Even then, I won't buy one - I'll swap the battery and motors into an older car cause fuck new car styling.
And this is all dependent on gas becoming rare/insanely expensive.
Yes. I am not one of those nutjobs who are stuck in the past, you know the ones who still claim manual/stick is the best. I mean these are the same type of people who shook their fists at cars while sitting in a horse drawn carriage.
We have 2 cars. EV is great as a regional car, shorter trips, 100 mi or less a day, which is 95% of our driving. It’s GREAT for that. Peppy, quiet, low maintenance, reliable.
We have an older 2nd car which we use for the occasional long trip (+200mi).
Wife prefers driving EV.
Over time EVs will get better, but it will take time before they dominate.
Someday, yes. Anytime soon? Hopefully not. Slow charge overnight at home is fine. But I want to see faster charging on the go. Prices also need to come way down. Its great to show off what they can do but I need more options for cheap basic commuters.
Yeah, once the infrastructure is there and repair costs get more reasonable. Would like to see more or a track record of better depreciation and reliability.
I've actually been contemplating getting one for commuting to work. As charging it at home would be cheaper than filling my tank every week..
I also have a couple of "performance" cars that I would not get rid of. They're only driven on weekends or special occasions. The EV would strictly be a tool used for getting to and from work not as a replacement.
I've thought about one as a mindless commuter. Something that requires little maintenance and attention also doesn't need to be filled with gas regularly. I only drive 20-30 miles a day total so I could easily keep it topped off on a 110V charger.
If I need to go far in a single day we always take my wife's SUV anyway. So it doesn't matter what I drive to work.
That will save time, energy, and money for projects that will make them feel more special when I drive them.
I would love to have a fully electric car but I live in Manhattan and either street park or rely on commercial parking garages and the infrastructure for charging is just not widespread enough in my market.
Am retired and drive approximately 100 miles a week. Have a nice garage to charge it up using a similar 110V plug. Absolutely I would consider buying one.
Absolutely. There are two on my list that I want. One simply for the looks and I really like the interior layout, the Vinfast VF7. I haven’t driven one yet but I like what I have seen so far.
Another one that hasn’t been released yet, the Rivian R3X. They look super cool and Rivian is proven so far with the the R1.
I’ll drive an EV when it’s my daily driver and makes sense or if I ever get to the place financially where I have a second place and keep the EV there so I don’t have to worry about the gas going bad in a car I dont run
Yea I would- the current battery tech is just not there yet for me. Once solid state batteries are in their 2nd generation I'll probably make the leap (they're not even on the market yet though so it will be a while)
I'll probably never not own an ICE whether that be classic nostalgia, rowing a MT, or for long distance practicality.
I am looking at the EV market for my wife's next car. I've got an open 240 circuit for a hot tub the previous owners had and a mere 100-150mi range would cover 90% of the miles either of us drive including visiting intrastate family. Nothing pairs price with utility right now. We would still want space for 2 kids, a dog, and a couple weekend bags of cargo.
Yeah, but most of them are ugly and bug, and all of them are heavy right now. Curious to see how heavy the Rivian R3 will weigh in, because it looks damn fine and is only a little bit longer than my Golf. It will probably be too heavy, my golf weighs a bowling ball over 3000 lbs, and I know I’ll miss that if I get a 3500 to 4000 lb car.
Been electric for 5 years already. The harsh reality is that it’s completely impractical if you can’t reliably charge at home. So it’s really just limited to those of us that have our own driveway to park in.
I sold my project car and haven’t looked back. I don’t have time to tinker with cars anymore so the less work to do the better. A lot of it really does come down to time. Time and time. But I also wasted a lot of money on my car hobby too.
Yes. I have always said as soon as they can get everything functioning the same as an ICE car I will absolutely consider one, BUT it has to have the same capabilities- 3-400 mile range, same power and torque numbers AND ACTUAL fast charging capabilities. I’m fortunate to live in western WA where we have good infrastructure for it, so yeah I absolutely would once we actually get to that point. Here’s the deal I LOVE how good ICE engines sound (I have a particular affinity for the Subie Rumble) but I will happily give that up for literal instant acceleration and next to no maintenance.
As soon as they are reliable and easy to service. Personally I’d probably go for a plug in hybrid. I can’t imagine driving an EV in a hurricane or fire evacuation. Probably impossible to charge.
I have yet to live in a location where it would be possible for me to charge while at home, so I don't know. Maybe one day if I'm rich enough to afford a house with a garage.
I loved my ev Mini while I had it. It was one of two cars I have had that I didn't want to sell after 8 months. I can't think of anything I like more about ICE cars than electric, other than looks.
Yes absolutely. Its more of a question with cost though.
General population can't really afford an ev. And used ev market is going to be wild 5 years from now when they're trying to sell them 3rd hand. I question if the cost of maintenance on replacing batteries and motors will be feasible.
For those who can afford 40k+ its more palatable but many of us can hardly purchase 25k.
I had a model 3 performance model S Plaid and now a Rivian R1T. Loved them all and especially my Truck now. In the past ive had Hellcats, ZL1’s, BMW M4’s and so on… so dont come for me lol. I just love cars in general. Both gas and electric. The solar on my house pays for me to drive my Rivian though so thats awesome
Never, I want to hear my engine. Nothing much to modify as well. It does not have gears so I am not involved when driving (same goes with CVTs).
Also, I have driven an EV and I hate the low range, charging time (if it is more than putting gas), battery weight, handling/steering is not the best, regen makes me sick but I do like the one paddle drive, high frequency/pitch/humming sound that hurts my ears and annoyed the fuck out of me - either driving or charging, and too many technologies/assists. Also, fire hazard saftey concerns.
I drove almost 10k miles in the last 3-4 months. I am seriously considering a hybrid, but I really don't like eCVTs or CVTs and the electric motor sound. Would rather spend money on gas than maintenance plus my car will be in the shop.
Near future? Absolutely not with the lack of quality control and due to how many look horrendous/are over priced. Eventually sure, the new elantra concept car from hyundai looks beautiful and if they keep going for the cyberpunk-esq aesthtic they'll get me in their grips one day lol
I really don't really care what makes the car go. I will drive what's reliable, practical, and cheaper. I'm not in favor of mandates. When electric cars are the better choice overall, I will own and buy one .
I've had to rebuild industrial reciprocating ice engines and also large industrial electric motors. The electric motors are far simpler. It comes down to the cost, reliability, and capacity of batteries I think. Battery tech is improving all the time.
I have one for a rental for over a month they are fun but it’s a hassle to charge them , it’s a none Tesla so I have to use other charging stations like charge point they cool sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t and electrify America take 50$ out of your debit if you not using app that takes $10 bucks prepay . I only get about 240 miles that is not enough and I have to wait 45-1 hour to charge this shit . So my opinion is not good car u less you have a level 2 charging at home and the ev is your second car not your main .
Yes for daily commuting; the battery technology is already here - it’s just waiting for scale to bring costs down. As someone who owns 20+ year old ice vehicles - the EV maintenance looks like a breeze in comparison. Seeing people work on EVs on YouTube had a lot to do with charging my opinion on their viability in addition to seeing long term maintenance costs from teslas
I’d love to own an EV. But they are expensive, the batteries wear out too fast and are expensive, or the warranty isn’t long enough. The other big problem, if I bought an EV, even though my miles driven stay the same I end up doubling the cost of auto insurance as the cost of insuring 2 cars is double the cost of 1 car!!!
One day I think I would but as they sit now, no.
Perhaps when solid state batteries become a common thing I would consider it.
Right now, the driving I do, results in nearly a 50% reduction of range as highway speeds cause a lot of drag and kill the ranges. With solid state batteries and quick charging it would eliminate that problem for me.
Never, you will have to delete me from this planet to stop me from driving my viper, my raptor and my little Mazda over a electric car, my problem isn’t with EV’s its with the fact that we as developed nation have to cut down our emissions they are slowly trying to shove EV’s down our throat, meanwhile developing countries and 3rd world countries can continue to pump out millions of emissions, I only get to live once I am going to enjoy it and it certainly won’t be by driving a boring silent microwave on the road.
I do. I love cars. My dad was a mechanic. EV’s seem nice but I hate the idea of driving and not being near a charging station. Gas stations are everywhere.
Phev might be up your alley if they get a handle on price and you have a spot to charge it. Generally they get somewhere in the low 30s to low 40s miles on all electric (for like work or grocery runs or w/e) and switch to gas where they have 400-500mi/tank. You can just run on gas all the time or electric if you only need that 30-40miles (not adding loss for ac/heat).
Like I said, the problem is cost bc they basically have full time gas and ev motors that are capable of highway speeds, not just gas with a tiny ev assist motor.
Even if they were price parity, I guess it'd depend on how you drive. 30 miles one way to work and there goes your juice unless work lets you charge.
Thank you helping me understand Phev. Based on what I read in your comment, I can run gas and not use the battery. Is the battery just used to start the vehicle? Thanks for the information.
No, you're describing isn't even a hybrid. I'll go a little more in the weeds.
So first, all cars even evs use 12 volt batteries. Evs only use them to run a accessories. Phev, hybrid, and ice all use it for the same things I've used it. Start the gas motor and run accessories not run off a belt.
Hybrids use a gas motor and a tiny electric motor and tiny ev battery that's a separate thing from the 12v. The electric motor can be used to keep the car rolling with less effort than just gas when moving. Or start it rolling from a stop, after which the 12v kicks the gas motor on. Or actually give the car a hp boost by running both the gas and ev motor.
Phevs have electric motors capable of highway speed like the ice motor when using the EV battery. The EV batteries are larger than a hybrid, but not as large as an EV only car. If you run out of EV juice, the 12v kicks the ice motor on. I don't know if the EV battery can steal juice back from things like brake regeneration like a hybrid does.
I don't know if the EV battery can steal juice back from things like brake regeneration like a hybrid does.
Yes, PHEVs recapture braking energy like other hybrids, and can capture more energy because they have larger batteries. On long trips, my PHEV recaptures a kWh every 20 miles or so.
Now my dude knows the ins and outs for how the batteries work.
I'm not going to get anything for years (basically when my car needs that one part that costs half as much as the cars value, and it only has 64k, so... Yeah a while)
Never. At least not until we can get full charge as fast as we fill up a tank of gas, all charging/batteries become universal standards for any electric car. This proprietary none sense is holding us all back, not just in automotive but in other sectors as well. Plus Gas is just too convenient and universal.
I'm seriously considering the Charger EV if it makes to a 2nd gen. Don't want to be a beta tester. Think it would make a good companion to my Challenger. Like the way it looks. Kinda like the gimmicky sound thing they have showcased in the past. And it's Dodge, you just know they are gonna make a version that just stupid when it comes to power.
EV is the future. Might as well jump on the train when it comes through instead of chasing it down the tail.
I also like the Rivian Trucks, the Model X and and Model S. Saw my first Lucid the other day. It kinda reminds me of a pancake with how flat it looks.
Yeah, I've been riding an e-bike to commute and it's been fun. My gas tank in my car lasted from sometime in July to October 11th. That was neat, and it only cost me 19¢ a day to ride the 16 miles round trip. Gas at some $3.40/gallon would cost me $2 a day.
I’d own one today if i had a garage to charge it in. Although i will always own a ice one too. I drive a fair bit in the city, spend half my gas just idling away at red lights…
I'm not opposed to a prius or hybrid. full electric. maybe. the rivian looks cool. I already have a dedicated spare 240volt outlet in the garage for one. I do love my 99 tj wrangler 4x4 and my 2005 dbl cab v8 tundra
If I lived in a city probably yeah. I'm out in the country though and aside from plugged in at your house the supercharge stations are far and wide. It gets stupid cold here in winter and I'm sure it's detrimental to battery range and life.
My subcompact car gets 42mpg so I'm not really incentivized to go electric. Only costs me $20 to fill my car and that gets me an easy 400 miles of driving.
If I had a house with solar that I could charge it with I think I would. Rarely do I need to drive more than 100 miles a day so I think it would def work for me with that respect. Currently living in an apartment I would have no way to charge at home. And even if I could idk how I'd feel about charging the car with natural gas / coal.
It is actually better in every way to charge a car with power plants and generators
Ice engines are more efficient at specific constant rpms so power plants or generators that uses this method produce more power for less (this also includes gas/diesel electric vehicles)
Power plants are cleaner as they don't have to sacrifice space for things to clean fumes
Most of my driving is commute and local errands. An EV that’s way faster with more torque than ICE that’s cheaper to maintain and run? Hell yes. With EV ranges increasing and battery costs dropping I think I’ll probably own at least one EV soon. If you can only own one car? No, not yet.
Yes, they have their own unique benefits and drawbacks just like anything else. Are they perfect? No. But then again, neither is a V8 manual Corvette or a lifted Taco TRD Pro or anything else. And those are all good too.
There's a few things I'm waiting on Notably standardized charging either way though my next vehicle will probably either be a plug in hybrid or a full ev
I am already on my second one.
I don’t really see why we need to assume “car guys” are against EVs, those are different experiences and both have pros and cons.
I will probably never let go of my GT4 and still drive the doors off that thing: track time, auto cross, weekend joyrides…
But I also love my EV - it’s an amazing, comfy, capable daily driver. I don’t need to be burning gas for super boring bumper to bumper drives on the interstate. I never have to go fill gas. I appreciate the silence and the massive torque when tired of my workday.
And when I want an engaging drive, feel and hear the vibrations and have something light to toss around my ICE is still there ready to go. But that’s like 10% of my driving tops.
I used to be anti EV, because I’m not an early adopter type and greenies are often annoying, and often wrong.
But they are quiet and I hit an age where I started caring about that, they allow special lane use in my state, the government gives $9k of our money back for them, and I got a solar system.
They make sense if you just want something to get you from A to B.
But if you want something to enjoy the drive then no, they suck dick. You need to vibration, you need the engine noise, you need the gear shifting.
So for running my kids around and picking up groceries and stuff yeah I'd take an electric vehicle if I had no other choice. For my personal enjoyment, I'll stick with an ICE engine motorcycle.
I thought that also, but you really don't need it. I've had some monster modified subaru's, and my tesla m3p still puts a smile on my face every time I drive it.
Definitely, I like luxury cars and EVs are the perfect platform for that. They're quiet, fast, and refined. Weight and range aren't as big of an issue. If I was in the position to afford one I'd have an EQS with the hyper screen.
perhaps if the infrastructure and power grid gets upgraded and long term battery reliability, range and safety are improved to beat levels of current modern gas powered vehicles. Also cost of EV need to become affordable.
I would. I think my next car will either be an EV or PHEV. I'll I have see if I can rig up an adapter to charge it off the 480v 3 phase outlets we plug the welders into at work.
The absolute irony of the energy transition, is that it is worsening climate change Through increased resource extraction and a reduction in atmospheric sulfides.
I would consider myself a diehard gasoline/diesel guy I’ve had a little of everything. Slammed s10’s, off-road jeeps, lifted diesels, awd 4bangers and some old school muscle trucks and cars, road bikes, sand bikes, snowmobiles.. most recently though an electric car. Yes I’ll always have my gas/diesel stuff, I love them too much not to. But electric is still on tires so I’m a fan. The fact that I spend roughly $50 a month on charge ($633 from Nov.2023 to Oct.2024) and put 16k per year on the car the last 3 years. Is enough for me to justify loving it for a commuter car. Plus destroying focus RS, Subaru STI, a corvette or two and most other average cars on the road is a plus haha. No it isn’t even close to the same enjoyment I get out of my ICE vehicles but it is fun and serves its purpose well. And it is fun convincing a never electric guy to go for a ride and watching them smile and laugh like a child when their head bounces off the headrest on launch 😂
Nope, going to scoop up all the cheap older gas cars as people switch to electric.
It’s not just electric cars though, I don’t like newer cars in general. My 93 is a dream to work on, I can’t even imagine doing my own work on an electric.
I have three friends with electric vehicles. In five years I’ve ridden in them exactly once. We always take my Tacoma because:
It’s not fully charged.
There’s probably not a charging station where we are going
We are in a hurry and it will take time to charge it on the way.
They are going somewhere that evening and they need it to be fully charged.
We have to move something large or dirty so it goes in the Tacoma bed.
They occasionally even ask to borrow my truck. Mind you these are the same people that scoff at gas vehicles, especially large ones.
I like my ICE vehicles, I like doing my own repairs/modifications.
I don't ever see myself owning an electric vehicle, but the plug in hybrid options might be a possibility in the far future.
I hate the idea of relying on electronics 100%, and I take 6-10 trips a years over 5 hours each way, relying on charging stops sucks. My parents own a tesla model 3 as a second vehicle, and have driven it twice on a trip of that length. First time added 1h15m and the second time was around 2 hours extra because we had to wait 40 minutes for annother tesla to finish charging.
The ability to plug in a hybrid, get the benefit of 100% electric for short in town trips constantly, mixed with not having to worry about forgetting to plug it in, or longer distances
My last like 250k miles have been in a 6 speed and I just got a slightly used 2023 6 speed car. So I'm pretty ice heavy bias. But the price of a used EV is very tempting at time especially for a commute vehicle. I figured though this will be one of the last newish manuals so went for it over EV or auto ICE
I live in an ultra cold climate, and would be at 50% range several times of the year. Besides that issue: every time I do the math on the cost of an EV vs. a similar ICE car… it takes +100,000 miles on the EV to break even on the extra up front cost.
That doesn’t even factor in the higher cost of taxes, insurance, tires, and my states extra tax if EVs to pay for roads.
EVs have a long ways to go in both battery tech, longevity, and cold weather chemistry before I can consider one.
I think they would sell a lot more electric cars if they just did one thing make it sound like George Jetsons car when you drive it. Cmon we all grew up watching it the sound of tomorrow is missing. Make it cool !
Yeah maybe if they sort out the environment aspect. Range and infrastructure still aren’t there for people with long commutes or that drive tons like myself. Ethical mining of the components and minerals that go into the batteries and a way to recycle them is also a big deal to me personally. I’ll stick with gas cars until those things are worked out or until I can’t drive a gas car.
Yes. The more people cried about them, the more research I did. They really started appealing to me. I love my classics, and an ev would really round out my driving experiences.
Like it will be a choice. In the late 60s everyone's grandma was driving a 400hp muscle cars that cost nothing. Unfortunately, overpopulation dominated in the car, pollution, population wars.
I live 40 miles from the nearest level 3 charger. It'll take a bit. I don't mind the thought of a plug in hybrid, if only it weren't the damned price of 1 3/4 cars...
Yes - if charging a battery for a 300+ mile range takes less than 5 minutes. Until then, I’d wait. I feel like having roadways that can charge your vehicle while you drive over them works be great, sort of like what Formula E racing does.
i had a chevy volt for many years. loved that little car! could charge at work, obviously charged at home. the 9 gallon gas tank would last me 3 months or more. eventually sold it because i needed a bigger vehicle.
I have a couple EVs I would love to get. The Audi etron SUV, Rivian R1T, R3X, Porsche Taycan. But I definitely would be keeping all of my ice cars. I'd use the EV for city driving and ice cars for long distance.
I want to get an Aptera as soon as I can. I live in Texas. Even if it only got half the range from the solar panels as they say it does, I could literally drive to work and back indefinitely without ever charging it. If it actually got near the 40 miles a day from solar? I would never ever have to plug in outside of trips out of town, and then only if we went over a couple hundred miles away and back.
I want one. I dont feel the tech is fully matured yet though. Uncle Sam needs to step in and mandate like 3-4 battery pack styles and require they be swappable as easily as getting an oil change.
As someone who owned an rs6 previously I can say electric can be very fun. My model x plaid is laughingly fast and my model 3 perf can do mildly twisty roads fine.
Strong maybe. The charging system needs to be better and the distance to drive needs to get longer. But, I think at some point I'll at least inquire more about 1.
Pick an EV that interests you and plan some routes in "A Better Route Planner", i think you will be surprised that the infrastructure isn't as bad as it's made out to be. Yes, it can certainly get better, right now you have to do some planning, but its pretty good and getting better.
I did exactly this. I had to stop for the same ~20 minutes that I normally stop for, on the same route. The only difference was I now plug in the car and then go get the coffee, rather than going straight for the coffee.
We have a Tesla Model S, one of the EV’s with the oldest designs. It’s a solid way of getting around. The newer Teslas have design decisions made by a wack job. The Model S, the Nissan Leaf, and the Chevy Bolt are the best EV’s.
You get really used to the position of the buttons for the things you do use, but most things are set-and-forget. Seat heaters are automatic for instance. The voice control is excellent.
I would love a reliable EV conversion for my current car. Cost aside, electric isn't going to last as alternate/renewable fuels will ultimately keep ICEs alive for a long time.
I never thought I would. Well…I got one. I can’t believe that I love it. It’s quiet, smooth, and holy massive amounts of torque at any speeds at any time. I have worked on cars as a home wrencher for 30 years. I have a love for motorcycles. When I saw the next maintenance schedule was 16,000 miles for my daily driver and the check list was. Check coolant level, check tire wear, check brake fluid. It’s nice to work on a vehicle that you want to work on. And not your daily driver anymore.
Yes. I own an ‘01 S2000 and a ‘18 Model 3. The 3 is on my list of best-ever purchases. Silent, fast as shit, phenomenal handling and steering feel, costs me $7 to “fill”. It’s really hard to beat.
The S2000 is just as fun as it’s ever been, but the Model 3 is so much faster and… better?… at being an enjoyable overall car that it’s kind of ridiculous.
I’m on my second Tesla and I love them. I haven’t been to a gas station in several years aside from buying pre-hike water bottles/snacks. But…
I live in an apartment in an overpriced area so I don’t have room for a second vehicle right now. When I move I plan to get a classic car of some sort as well as an OBS Chevy to fix up.
Having both an EV and some ICE toys is the sweet spot imo.
Already do. I absolutely love my Q8 etron. It's so quiet, well isolated, comfortable and it handles pretty damn well for how much it weighs. I also have a manual transmission GR86, which I enjoy, but I'm definitely taking my etron for daily driving and road trips.
If it isn't an iPhone on wheels like tesla, yes. That means I should have full control over everything on the car. There shouldn't be any software locks, drm, or the kind of stuff apple pulls for the sake of their walled garden.
The only reason EVs aren’t just flying off the lots is that dealerships want to continue to provide service. They will lose that business so they don’t want to sell them.
ICE vehicles are only good for when you can’t get to a charger. Hybrids will eventually take over and people will overland or climb rocks with them. Once hybrids have been simplified even more, ICE engines will become smaller and smaller. I’d be surprised if two cylinder engines weren’t the main type being installed very soon. Hybrids just need a generator and even a two cylinder engine would be overkill.
ICE vehicles as they are now will become undesirable except for the tinkerer or collector. No one wants that maintenance headache and unreliability, regardless of the comments about cold dead hands, for everyday use.
Depends on a lot of things. Can I afford one (I'm not wealthy)? Is there one that might be fun to drive (because I tend to like small sports cars)? Can I get over my manual transmission requirement? How long will I need or want a car?
Right now, the answer is definitely 'no'. But things could change.
I got my dad to take a day off work and we went to the electric Vegas show at Mccormick Place in Chicago in 1975. 2 hour drive. Mccormick burned down and rebuilt since. I was a Charter member of electric veh club in San Diego. Early 90s I believe. I had a Prius when they came out. Then Prius Prime (now plugin) when they came ut.
I'm a believer but don't have an electric yet. I travel enough to have to recharge on the way if I had one. I don't want to plan around charging stations.
But I expect to get one someday. I hope my next and maybe last car will be elect and self driving.
I would possibly if the technology was actually persued in an honest way, instead of just latching on to buzz trends to appease consumer opinion. There has been so many different alternatives in the last century. And the concept of using electricity to make things move has been constantly developing since its discovery. Electric motors have tons of variations and are used in vast amounts of industries throughout the world. We could be developing so many better ways, but we’re stuck with CEO’s “developing” the tech according to what sells and then marketing it into the ground.
I wouldn't mind it. I've grown tired of spending like $70 at the gas station every week or two and I have two cars. Something to go to work and get groceries in that I can just charge up at home would be nice
Absolutely, but I prefer grabbing a 2001 DC4 Integra and converting it over to AWD electric over this BS they're pushing on the market. I just want the power of an EV to go +150mph but none of the modern features that are required on modern cars per law.
Ive been considering getting a rivian truck whenever im nit upside down on my Colorado, though im not sure if i will just because of how much i drive.
But man this thing is such a piece of crap ive had to put $8k into parts for it and take it in for warranty to get a new cylinder head, and now a new computer in less than a year.
Absolutely. My daily is a Tesla Model 3. I don't want a project car for my daily. I just need it to work. The maintenance on electric cars is SO low compared to my other cars.
Having zero mountanance on my daily gives me more time to enjoy my projects and do fun car stuff rather than stress about fixing the daily before I need to go to work.
Id be down for a gas or diesel electric with wall charge capability, but most of my long trips only have power at one end and id only have range one way, and you cant beat 400 miles of range in 5 minutes with current pure ev tech
Not any time soon, but I do love the styling of the Rivian R3X. It's a modern restyling of the lancia delta integrale. Basically, as long as Rivian gains/ keeps a good history of quality/ reliability. I'd likely get one myself.
An F-350 with a diesel electric setup would be really nice for what I do. Instant torque, jobsite power, backup power for the house, reduced fuel cost, cheaper maintenance. It would be a big improvement over my current work truck if they got something like that dialed in. I burn a ton of fuel moving material and equipment and it’s pretty hard on the truck.
I would. I still think decent ones are a little pricey, and I’m also waiting for the tech to develop a little more.
I think there will be more advancements in charging speed and driving efficiency, so I’m not looking yet. My car is only 3 years old anyways. The charging network near me isn’t great either.
I don’t like the futuristic aspect of them either. I don’t like the door handles that pop out when the car is unlocked, I don’t like that some teslas have the speedometer on the center screen instead of on a gauge cluster screen, or that turn signals are buttons on a steering wheel. I know there are several more traditional EVs but I think too many try to be bleeding edge.
I do think they offer a lot of benefits though. Driving quietness, lack of engine maintenance, cost to run, zero emission, etc.
I am really appreciating that I bought a 6 speed manual Hybrid CR-Z in 2018 instead of a Hemi. Before we got hit by end of the world fuel prices. I just autistically need to drive an MT as a daily. I'd buy an EV truck if I was rich.
For me, three things have to happen, the first the infrastructure has to be just as convenient as gas stations, and there are 2 less than .25 miles from me and conveniently on the way home from work. The only electric station is 10 miles away that's always packed.
And two charge times have to be on par with gas refueling. I'm not driving 10 miles to wait at a minimum of 30 min when I don't need to shop over there. Also, my house is unable to do at home charging, so that isnt an option.
Also third the cost of the ev itself is more than I'd ever be willing to pay for a soulless car. I'll pay that kind of price for one with fun, engaging, great looking car.
Till then I'll stick with loud noisy cars that I truly enjoy
Gear head my whole life, heavy equipment mechanic for 20 years, had it all, fast cars, big trucks, bikes, boats, snowmobile, ect. I can't wait to get one.
As a Porsche enthusiast…a flat six singing makes my day..
But guess what. I drive an EV as a daily. On my 3rd one now (keep leasing them).
I have to do zero maintenance and always have 250+ miles range every morning.
I would reckon that a lot of people would actually enjoy driving an EV as a daily commuter compared to their gas cars. Too many people are knocking it before trying it.
Once they fix the issue of fast charging (you can refill a gas vehicle in about 5-10 minutes) as well as availability of charging stations (once again, not that far normally to get to a gas station), then potentially.
Well not a fan of Evs right now. I would consider getting one tho, when everything is turned on ,think heater or ac and headlights with minimum of 450 miles on a single charge. Charging speed no more than 10-15 minutes just to stretch your legs. All that said… remote disable, tracking, and being in a web of comms is kinda a deal breaker. The service is also atrocious at this point. I’d say another 3 years before all those kinks will get worked out.
I'd love to. I doubt I would ever buy an EV, just for the fact that I don't like any of the cars on the market in one way or another, but the electric drivetrain itself is hardly ever the cause of it
When they're available affordably and are lightweight with short (100-150miles) ranged. That's exactly what I need for a daily. The truck and the Mustang can both do as many miles as I need to for a road trip, but I'd love to quit wasting fuel running parts across town in my full-size truck. I've strongly considered putting a tesla motor in a kei truck for a daily so I have space to carry parts around and don't have to burn tons of gas every day.
"I drive 2,000 miles every day. An EV won't work for me"
"I have an EV already but I would buy another one"
"I really want a EV but I'm worried that one time I'll need to drive 2,000 miles without stopping even though I have never done that in my entire life so I don't think an EV will work for me"
Nope. Not unless I’m actually forced to by some law or literally every car manufacturer stops producing ICE vehicles.
It’s not that I hate EV’s, there’s some nice ones out there don’t get me wrong. I don’t just have a car for getting from A to B, I actually enjoy driving around and having fun, and no EV I’ve ever been in (even a Tesla plaid) comes remotely close to the fun and sound of a roaring V8 ripping down the road. When I got my Mustang GT and drove it for the first time, I knew I could never go back. I put 300 miles on that thing in the first 2 days and 7 months later I still have a shit eating grin on my face every time I get in it.
Absolutely. I’m very interested in technology and efficiency in cars. Not sure how long it will be, but probably less than 10 years before I’m done with ICE cars.
When electric first came out my biggest complaint was the range and the time to recharge. Well they have the range issue mostly solved, but they still take too long to recharge. Once they get that fixed, I would consider an electric.
1) I still have an ICE vehicle for long trips.
2) I have an in-home charger
If you can't satisfy those two points, I don't recommend it.
I travel 50km per day for work. 300km battery is great for a week of normal work travel and costs me $0.35 per trip. Gas would cost me over $9 per trip.
However, anything that takes me outside that 300km range, I run to my van. I can fully fuel up in 5 minutes, 15 if there is a 3 car lineup at any gas station.
If I have to charge, it's a gamble of what station has chargers, how many work, how many people are lined up, what bloody app you need, etc. Since it takes about 30 minutes to charge partially, a three car line up is a 2 hour ordeal.
If I am on a schedule, the many unknown factors of an EV is just not feasible. Tesla owners have it a lot better with their charge network, but I can't buy into that biome.
Buy an EV? Not for a couple decades most likely (I just don't like to buy new cars). I do however want to EV-swap one of the absolute barges that were the 80s 4-door luxury sedans (maybe sneak a generator under the hood too for some extra range).
Absolutely not. Even if they got charing down to an ordeal that took minutes, it'll never happen. People don't seem to understand that to charge a car in 5 minutes to go 250 miles requires a volume of power equivalent to a small town. Assume a more modest 50 kWh battery. To charge that in 5 minutes at 100% efficiency would take 600,000 watt/hours of power; a .6 MWh power delivery rate. My local nuclear power plant only produces 908 megawatts. The metro region that plant serves is about 250,000 people. If only 1% of them needed to fast charge their car at the same time, that's 1500 megawatts of power. Even if 1250 people tried to fast charge their cars that would consume 2/3rds of the generating capacity of our nuclear power plant and black out most of the city.
As more people keep plugging their fuckin cars in, electric rates keep rising faster than inflation. I'm not gonna be the stooge paying more for electricity to fuel my car than gasoline costs if this ever becomes a widespread thing. Besides, I made drives of 1200 miles in a day on a somewhat regular basis. I'm not going to own a second car just to do that.
We just got a golf E for our son to drive to school and to run errands. It’s a go kart and so much fun with zero delay for the accelerator to move the little car. And the turning radius is amazing.
I started looking at used p100ds in an effort to see if there was a Tesla I could hoon a bit.
My last time driving one was pretty low key so looking forward to seeing what’s out there.
The ionic6 looks like a blast from some of the YouTube videos. Definitely something I’ll buy used in a few years.
I just sold my electric car only due to shifting living condition. For a daily driver that has a way to charge at home (or at work) there isn’t really any downside anymore, I’ll miss it.
Not until the virtuous signalers stop buying EV's for their conspicuous consumption driving the prices up. I know too many people with EV's as their second vehicle but their daily is a truck/SUV. They are proud EV owner's because they were able to by into the trend but not live fully by it.
Absolutely. I love my manual ICE cars, but if I could afford it, they’d be relegated to fun toy status immediately. Hell, what I actually want (for the foreseeable future) is something like the Chevy volt, that primarily (preferably entirely) uses its ICE as a generator, where the drivetrain is entirely electric.
I don’t even want electric cars for speed, I want them for their practical reliability and simplicity.
NO....NON-Plugin Hybrid, possibly., but the recent hurricanes and prospects of wide spread power outages for weeks/months due to a natural disaster (hurricane, tornado, flooding etc...) could very easily render them useless and as we can all see FEMA is useless. I'll stick with being able to get somewhere to fill up or even store gas for such an occasion over EV everyday of the week and twice on Sundays. Just my $0.02.
I will say as a car guy, from a purely technical standpoint I can appreciate their performance (H.P. acceleration etc.) but that's about it. I don't need my car having to be connected to the internet (just try using a tesla without connectivity) ...it just needs to get me from A to B that's it, not a rolling entertainment center or anything of the like.
If the fact that they’re electric actually made a difference in emissions, yes, I would. Our power generation means aren’t conducive to this yet. We need nuclear
As someone you lives in northern Canada never . But if i was south with cities surrounding me I consider it for commuting to work or grocery getter only.
If we can get to a standardized battery system so I can pull up to a "battery" station and swap batteries and be on my way in close to the same it takes to refuel, then I'll consider it
I mean, I’m going to be forced to on the eventual future, but I’m keeping my fun to drive manual as long as I can. I’ll be driving my Japanese shitbox as long as I can
Maybe. The thought of having solar on the house and charging my car is very exciting, but the drawbacks (range anxiety, charger locations, charging complexity, charging time, charger ques) give me too much anxiety to commit to a single electric vehicle.
I think PHEVs are the "electric" solution for most people. Cheap electric trips within a certain range, then gas whenever you need more range etc, but now you have twice the complexity with both systems in a single vehicle, so an extended warranty is a must, and the wait times for PHEVs are still nuts.
I almost pulled the trigger on one, but after 2 years on the wait list I've grown fond of the analog nature of my ICE vehicle, so getting cold PHEV feet.
Buy a new EV? Probably not. But I'd love to turn an ICE car into an EV or hybrid. I'm not a huge fan of EVs because I feel like it's gonna be treated like a smartphone in a short while. We're already seeing it with ICE cars.
I just want a car to be simple and light... electric motors are great, but batteries are terrible. Once somebody figures a way to get electricity into the motor I'm sure I'll be interested and the price will keep me away.
I'm not against electric cars but I think there needs to be a balance. Cheap electric car to meander around town in, ICE car for longer trips, heavier hauling, or just for the hell of it.
I like the Porsche Taycan wagon but it's way outside my price range, I loved the look of the Honda Urban EV Prototype but the production version is ugly (and it's not in the states). Hyundai Ioniq 5 is on my radar but more than I wanna put down right now for one (could get a 2 year old one with 20k miles for high $20k but I don't wanna compound payments, couldn't afford to anyway). Teslas, I just don't care for 'em, maybe the Model S Plaid but, hey, can't afford it.
No, but only because I will never be able to afford a new one, and used ones are so hit or miss for whether the battery is in good shape, that it's not worth it.
Once the car companies settle on a standard for hot swappable batteries and then batteries become a service not an asset. Then there is almost downside to Ev's. No battery to fail, no engine/transmission to fail, instant "charging" but just swapping batteries. When this tech gets a little closer to fully baked this won't even be a conversation. Enthusiasts will have an ice car for a hobby and everyone will daily an ev.
Bought a Ford Lightning, ended up liking it so much I’ve had to put battery tenders on my other ICE vehicles because I don’t drive them enough. It really is a spectacular vehicle.
Only real limitations I’ve found is:
To see the cost advantages you really need to be able to charge at home or work where rates are lower, because DC Fast Charger rates end up being similar to gas/diesel.
Towing range has been about 150 miles. So basically you drive for 2 hours and charge for 40 minutes. Do-able, but it really should be more like 4 hours between breaks. GM’s new EV pickup does better there, but it’s more expensive.
I mean I drive mine all up and down the east coast no problem, often with pallets of parts and equipment in the back. Put 60,000 miles on in two years and saved a ton vs my old diesel.
No, not because they’re electric or anything but I just dislike the design of most modern cars and dislike their heavy reliance on computers and electrics
Of course. I’ve test driven a few. I don’t care about the silence - I drive a 7 series. When they are affordable, practical and durable AND i live in a place suitable for them i will consider one.
I do, they're by far the most reasonable choice here in Norway due to huge government enforced benefits. They're cheaper to buy, own, use and park. Asides from that there's alot less that can go wrong on them, making them more reliable on average. For longer trips the infrastructure here makes it a breeze, and my car (a Tesla Model S) plans out charging sessions by itself via the GPS. It adds charging stops by itself, calculates when i'll be at the charging station, as well as how long i will be there which allows for some planning.
Honestly, if the infrastructure and benefits are there, i say go for it. Most issues i hear people mention regarding EVs are either entirely subjective (like them being quiet, which is an advantage some times) or blown completely out of proportion (like how they take hours to charge, which they don't).
My advice is to test drive a couple of models and make up your own mind. For some people they're not feasible yet, that's just a reality, but for alot of people they certainly are. A majority of people in some places.
Already have, S Plaid is hands down the best daily I've ever owned. I can count the number of times I take long road trips every year with one hand so range anxiety is never an issue. Every night I plug in my car and it's good to go by the time I'm awake
If I lived in a city. For sure, I would own one. For the average commuter, they are excellent. But, I would still have to have a weekender, that was petrol. Because EVs are just boring and heavy.
I love electric wheels. From a torque, regenerative breaking, rotational inertia perspective, electric wheels outperform drive line wheels every time.
However I'd NEVER, never ever ever ever ever, buy a car that spies on me, suffers from software bugs/hacks, is reliant on an electric grid, can not be modified and upgraded, or I can only afford with an expensive loan.
As of now, nope. All my vehicles are over 10 years old and my next vehicle will be about the same or older. All gas no hybrid. I wrench on my own stuff with some exceptions I'll let a shop knock out, and I'm not a fan on getting zapped in general.
I wouldn’t want to own an electric car, but I could see myself owning electric skateboard/bike. But who knows maybe I will have to drive by car to work and electric ones will be the only ones available.
I'm not sure how much of a car guy I am. I don't really care about speed or horsepower as long as a vehicle is fun to drive and feels fast I'm good. In about 10 years I will be 38-40 so I should start to have real money. And then if everything is electric I can get a Mercedes, BMW, or Cadillac without having to worry about the unreliability that plagues them like the vamos water pump etc
Once day, probably yes. Right now, no. I'm going to buy a ranger raptor for work and enjoy this gas guzzler. Only driven a boring civic my whole life. EV's should be even better in like ten years when I'm in the market for another car.
I think they might be one small piece of the solution to some of our problems. But billions of people owning and driving them isn’t going to solve anything. It’ll likely just exacerbate existing issues and create entirely new ones.
Greenwashing is real. I suspect what we need is more incentive to drive less. Infrastructure and design that encourages that and also makes it accessible en masse would be a good focus. Unlikely in the current landscape for sure.
I’m in car-centric rehab. No longer own a daily driver of any sort. Bikes and legs are the primary transports now. It’s challenging at times (and I’m fortunate to be mobile and fit). Current infrastructure doesn’t support many people being able to go car-less. Marketing isn’t helping. Urban design also isn’t helping. There are places where models of something different exist. Curious if the western world will ever consider something other than the current model.
If I had access to a charger at home that didn't cost more than gas AND it was reasonably made for daily commuting meaning as small and light as possible with 100 mile range. However, COO would need to be less than just getting a hybrid that can literally do everything. These current BEVs trying to replace ICE vehicles make no sense to me. 300 mile range SUV that costs 50k+ and have to deal with charging?
If the near impossible possibility that carmakers ally to make a standard swappable, stackable battery standard and swap stations happens, then maybe they could replace ICE cars.
I work at Tesla and I can’t speak for all EV but I don’t think EV should be a car you own at the moment and if you consider going EV you should be leasing it. Again I can’t speak for all EV but 100% Tesla should be leased.
Sure. I own 4 cars. I think it would be great if one of them was electric. For instance, my 2 driving kids only drive to school and back, and I can’t really trust that they will tell me if a check engine or even oil pressure light ever came on in their cars. An electric car would be perfect for them.
I've had a Model 3 for three years, 35K miles. As a day-to-day car, it is superior to any gas car I have owned. namely, the ease of use aspects, scheduling the car to be warmed up when I leave for work, awesome navigation, etc. And it's incredibly cheap to run. I have, and will have, hobby cars, which will be ICE. Maybe first-generation 3's will be viewed the same as the first gen Mustangs in 40 years... I doubt it.
Big mileage road trips are still slower than ICE, but it's never been an issue. What is problematic is when you are away from a level 2 charger for days. Everyone wants a ride but has something smart to say when the car is trickle-charging on level 1 and needs to be left parked for a few hours.
I don't understand the concept that EVs and car people occupy separate cohorts. EVs are dope. This feels like the '90s, when the JDM seen was coming on strong, and the muscle car guys would get butthurt about cars with two camshafts.
I suppose I’d get an electric truck or maybe a car some day. Maybe if I can’t operate a manual. But electric isn’t something I’d pay extra for. I don’t drive nearly enough miles for fuel savings to pay off.
I’m getting too old to be skinning my knuckles or spending an hour on a creeper anyhow.
Yeah, one day. I'm not tied to gas. But I'm weary of buying a used EV, and I'm not a fan of buying new cars, so there's a slight conflict that's keeping me on ICE for the time being. Had a new plug-in hybrid for a bit, installed a 220v charger in the garage and everything, by the EV range was just not enough. A Rivian would be great, but the R1 is a little too expensive for what I want to spend. Probably in the next 10 years. I'll still probably have gas cars on the side, though.
No, I'd drive a hybrid probably but nothing fully electric. I probably have about 30 years of driving left in my life and will never own an EV unless forced to do so. I fully expect that to happen of course.
Potentially as a commuter. But until they stop depreciating like a mattress I have no interest.
I’ll always have a fun ICE car, EV will never be able to replace that
Definitely. There's literally nothing I need that an EV can't do. Next car likely will be an EV, but the current car an EV wasn't really in the budget.
Not as a sole car ever, unless the technology exceeds ICE (10-15 minutes fill-up max and 400+ miles of range and every petrol station having at least one but preferably more functional chargers)
Maybe I'd consider it for a small daily driver sooner than that to just make life that tiny bit easier on a work commute but definitely not as my main practical car or a fun weekend car any time soon.
Yes hopefully. For a commuting car I'd love to have a full electric vehicle that has \~300miles range, that I can charge in my garage overnight (wirelessly would be preferred), with decent acceleration and handling. I don't need a sub 4 second 0-60 or 1+G cornering for a commuting car. Just something comfortable with a good interior and the standard comforts of any modern car. For long road trips I'll probably always have some type of ICE (hybrid with gas or hydrogen) as I've done a few road trips in an EV, and it was lousy. In my truck I drove 600 miles in 9 hours last year- it's just not possible in an EV.
For me the holdback is the lack of charging infrastructure and the range. I live in a flat and there maybe 2 public chargers in a 5 minute radius. As for the range, people keep making this false argument that “you would stop for breaks anyway” - no, I wouldn’t, actually. I’ll happily drive 9 hours with the occasional pee break here and there, but nothing substantial where I could reasonably charge the car.
Otherwise I much prefer driving electric, the immediate torque is lovely.
I would buy a EV now as a daily if I could afford it as a personal second/third/fourth car like everyone who has commented on this post that owns an EV.
I think the current EVs make great daily drivers for short daily commutes, but then you'd need at least a second vehicle for long hauls/towing etc. It's still cheaper just to own one ice vehicle that can do everything you need than to own multiple vehicles for different tasks.
They own a bunch of junkyards like hundreds of them, and you can go on their website and search their vehicle inventory or even call them and for an extra charge they will pull the part and deliver it.
Currently don't have an EV but am definitely not against them once distance on a charge gets longer and charging stations become more common around me I definitely be more interested.
One day. Right now I don't do much driving and the ICE car I own burns $100 in gas per month and I don't owe anything on ur and it never breaks down. So my motivation is very very low at this point.
But ya if one day it made sense then I'm all for it
One day, sure. For now, there is no car that ticks enough of the boxes for me to swap. At minimum, I want a sports car that supports v2h which doesn't exist right now as far as I know. If I have a massive battery in my car, I want to be able to use it for backup in an outage instead of having to also spend 30k+ on a separate battery system.
Only the Ford Lightning has that capability today I think.
Once the technology is perfected. Charge to 100% in three minutes. Comes with lifetime supply of tires including installation.
300,000 mile battery/motor warranty includes labor and no prorated garbage.
A universal charger port.
Charging stations every two hundred feet, like gas stations and are zero powered by fossil fuels.
I was on Tesla website awhile back and they had a tool for planning a road trip. Plug in your location and destination for charging stations.
It was a longer drive time/distance than google maps for the same trip because you had to purposely take that route because of charging stations were along that route.
So looks like I’m stuck with good ole reliable gas.
Car guy who drives plow trucks, builds and tows race cars and has many future project ice cars. If I could afford a good awd one right now I would totally have an EV. I occasionally need a truck so I daily one and get poor gas mileage around town. EVs won't replace my trucks at work anytime soon but I could totally justify one for myself. There is no one size fits all fix to climate change and the biggest culprit is infrastructure and industry dragging their feet and suggesting we should fight over what each other chooses to drive.
I made the mistake of getting an EV for my daily a year and a half ago. I would have gotten rid of it already if the deprecation curve wasn’t ridiculous. I look forward to getting back into an ICE daily and won’t look at an EV again for a long time if ever.
If the opportunity came about possibly I would for trips within 200 miles from home. But hybrid seems more of the way to go if you enjoy long road trips and good gas mileage.
My car got hit and I’ve had a Tesla Model 3 for a day and now a Corolla Hybrid. I took the Tesla down to 22% battery from 80% and charged it to 85% for $14 CDN. That alone is enough to make me prefer electric over gas. It also handled really well and accelerated at a ridiculous pace, but range dropped dramatically going over 100km/h. I won’t buy a Tesla, for a variety of reasons, and I certainly won’t buy a >$50k electric because I have other things to do with my money. But when my current car dies and I can buy one for $35-$45k that ticks all the boxes, I probably will.
I keep looking at nissan leafs. I want to get a new truck to tow the boats and stuff. I love to go pick up scrap and get mowers with it. A nissan leaf with a small fold up trailer would be sweet scrapping rig. Then zip home to sort the stuff onto big truck and trailer. Dumpster diving with a full size truck is gas heavy work.
I don't see it happening for me. ATM the infrastructure where I live isn't there and where I live would probably beat the bejesus out of them so theres that.
I still prefer to do my own work and while initially there may not be much, I tend to keep things a while so for me probably not.
Already do. And one plug in hybrid. All my other stuff is V-8 and they are pleasure only, summer rides. The full ev and hybrid v60 wagon do 99% of the work. And the Hybrid is in Pure EV mode most of the time. Get outta the 50's guys. EV will be the saviour of internal combustion, not the executioner. As for charging and range. If you own a home, (i know, we're lording over those who don't) why would one charge anywhere but at home, in off peak, or ultra off peak hours? Consider this; If you're going on a road trip, do you leave with an empty tank of gas, that you'll have to fill for 2-3 times the money on the morning of your trip, or if you had the option to fill up overnight for virtually free, would you do that? Naturally a cross country road trip, or round trip beyond your EV's reasonable range is tricky. But most of us have another vehicle that would serve that purpose. The rest of the time, it's EV all the way. And the way I can holeshot just about any ICE vehicle is just a bonus. Let me know if I have a tail light out, eh pick up drivers... thanks.
Sure. Once I’m confident in their longevity and serviceability, and the cars and infrastructure are developed to the point that they suit my needs, I’d happily switch to an electric car. Right now those conditions aren’t quite met but I don’t think we’re far off.
When the technology comes a little further, and charging is more available, also longer range on a charge definitely. Hopefully by then they’ll stop putting tablet screens on top of the dash ( I know that’s on gas cars now too. It’s distracting and awful)
Yes. I ride an Ebike daily and would love an electric car or truck. My tiny town has 2 charging stations... one for Tesla and one for all the others. I like the look of the Rivians. I wish I could afford one.
My ultimate vehicle will be a plug in hybrid with at least 100 miles of range on a charge. Currently have 3 gassers and 1 hybrid. Getting 42mpg in a hybrid is suv is amazing.
Yep. EVs range-wise would be fine for the vast majority of people and within 10 years, the charging infrastructure should be to the point where more people in apartments can comfortably use EVs. I can see myself having one as a daily within a few years.
If I had to drive back and forth to when everyday I would own a electric, but I have a company truck (I work on construction equipment) so my personal vehicle only sees 4k miles on average a year. My wife's next car will probably be electric I think because even though she is a stay at home mom, she drives allot
Already do. We own a 2015 Fiat 500e and use it for 90% of our daily driving. We take the SUV when we need to haul stuff or 4 people, tow, or drive longer distances.
The EV has needed absolutely nothing but charging and wiper blades in 2 years.
I also have a Miata, Alfa and racecar so I’d rather spend my time working on those than the daily driver.
I love my fun cars but electric just makes so much more sense. And soon will be just as convenient if not more than ICE cars.
Eventually. I’m a lover of rumbly engines as much as anyone but EVs are starting to grab my attention now that they’re beginning to look better and ranges are improving.
Hyundai Ioniq5 has had my attention since it came out, but with a minimum 100 miles per day it’s not yet feasible for my needs.
I have a nice sedan and an old truck for truck stuff. When we replaced my wife's car an EV made sense because we have my car for road trips. I find myself favoring the ev for everything around town and only driving my car when she's at work or we're travelling. Being able to just hop in and zoom, no warmup, no fuss, no gas stations, next to nil operating cost, has just been great.
Yes. My daily is fully electric. I was already looking for a new vehicle and my work provides free charging. When I was looking, gas was $2.60/L and my car was a modified turbo car (still have) spending $80-$100 a week just to get to work.
The electric is absolutely fantastic for daily use. Quiet, powerful, roomy and so easy to just get in and drive around. But it's not for everyone, and that's ok.
I already do, plus various ICE cars for specific things, Track, Tow/4x4, city car etc and then a Kia EV6 too which is a great car for the family. Some manuals, some autos 1 EV. I do most of my car serving and repair myself, I race the track car. My "Car Guy Creds" stand up to some scrutiny and "yes" I won an EV.
silbergeistlein@reddit
There’s no reason for EVs. Hybrid is what’s up for the future. Of course nothing will replace a big V8 that causes the car to rock just from pressing the throttle.
IrritablePanda@reddit
I’m a big time car guy and you will pry my ice cars from my cold dead hands, but when they get autonomous self driving and range down, I take a lot of long road trips and would love to just watch tv, play on my phone or sleep while I was getting to my destination. I’m not about to pay a premium to be the beta tester for any of it though
Blazer323@reddit
Invents
squint
Trains
ATX_native@reddit
Honestly what you’re describing exsists in 800V architectures, split packs and a charging network like they have in Germany.
Eubank31@reddit
I love my cars too but what you just described is basically just train travel🫤 I wish it was more widespread and practical in the US
Turbulent-Wisdom@reddit
The US’s lack of mass transit is because one of our presidents, at the time, i forget which one, saw a capitalist plan to make more money For everyone by having us all buy cars This country is STILL PAYING FOR THIS FATAL MISTAKE
doccat8510@reddit
Also the US is enormous. Which makes widespread train travel hard.
Turbulent-Wisdom@reddit
The US is vast and has trains that cross the country West - East And North to South
And being this country is so big it has more $$$$ To spend on infrastructure China/Japan mass transit is crossing their respective countries
sat_ops@reddit
Eisenhower wanted to ensure that the US could respond to an attack. Interstates are rated for heavier duty than other roads. They can handle tank haulers and allow you to avoid cities (hence beltway's). Eisenhower had been a general in Europe and saw the delays caused at places like St Lo when the roads had to be cleared of rubble to move past it.
PerformanceSmooth392@reddit
He got the idea from the Germans and their autobon.
fredfarkle2@reddit
It took him forty days to go coast to coast during WW1, that's what it was.
mb-driver@reddit
They were also setup to serve as emergency runways too if I recall.
sat_ops@reddit
Nope. Myth. https://highways.dot.gov/public-roads/mayjune-2000/one-mile-five-debunking-myth
mb-driver@reddit
Thanks for the correct info. I was told runway myth many years ago when I was younger so it must’ve been from someone who was around when the interstate system was proposed.
sat_ops@reddit
I heard the same thing growing up from my dad, who was a horizontal engineer (roads and runways) in the national guard. It wasn't until I was in the Air Force and learning contingency engineering (emergency runway placement, constructing tent cities, etc.) that I was disabused of this idea.
No-Community8989@reddit
Shocked you got downvoted for facts lol. But it is Reddit
No-Community8989@reddit
The interstate was taken from the autobahn transit system that Eisenhower learned about from his time in Germany, that the us could quickly mobilize and move around the country in an attack. It was not made for a capitalist plan.
Shatophiliac@reddit
I really love trains and I wish they were better for travel. But they quite honestly suck. They take longer than driving unless it’s an overnight or multi day trip, they take way longer than airplanes yet cost almost the same for a ticket, and you still get to your destination and have no car to move around in locally.
It would be a little better if they had more coverage and stations, serving more places, but at this point that’s basically a pipe dream. Cars have a stranglehold on American culture, and there’s still the other issues like price and how long they take to get to their destination.
Leather_Guacamole420@reddit
Trains are about taking in the landscape. If you want a quick trip, fly, drive, whatever. Trains are for sittin back and enjoying the scenery.
Shatophiliac@reddit
Ok that’s fair, but that’s basically what a cruise ship is for too. And I’m not taking a cruise ship to work, or on a business trip where time is of the essence lol.
Leather_Guacamole420@reddit
That’s not what a cruise ship is for. A cruise ship is for vacation bc it includes amusement parks, resorts, restaurants, yadda yadda…
You’re being dense on purpose. Obviously you’re not going to take the longer option when time matters. But if it doesn’t, or you WANT a less stressful trip and accept it’ll take longer, trains are great. They also get hundreds of miles to a gallon of fuel.
Shatophiliac@reddit
They are both leisurely forms of transport. I think the only dense one here is you.
Eubank31@reddit
The sad part is, a lot of those downsides are self inflicted.
I'm visiting Japan in a few months and was planning out our trips between cities, the shinkansen pricing isn't cheap but it's comparable with flying and way, way faster since you can travel directly from city center to city center.
Not having a car at the end of the journey is also a problem of our own making. My girlfriend and I took an overnight Amtrak journey from the south to NYC, and of course getting around was not an issue once we arrived. The journey was longer than driving but comparable price to flying and WAYYYY more comfortable even in coach. It's a nice way to see the country, and if we invested even close to as much money in our trains as we do interstates, it would be faster than driving
Content_Ad_2220@reddit
Japan was fucking leveled after WW2 and they had significant aid to completely rebuild their cities. Suburbs have been a thing in the us since the late 1800s. Japan is also much smaller than the US. The situations are not the same.
AL1294@reddit
We need those trains that you can transport your car in.
EZdonnie93@reddit
The us be like “show me on the doll where the train hurt you”
IrritablePanda@reddit
Not really - think train travel, but you have your car on both ends to continue to use. There is an auto train in the us where they load your car on which is what I use one direction now for trips up and down the east coast of the us. But there’s only 2 stations in the whole country
purplishfluffyclouds@reddit
Where might those 2 stations be?
IrritablePanda@reddit
Lorton, va (basically Washington DC) and Sanford, fl (basically Orlando)
DummyThicccThrowaway@reddit
Lorton basically DC hehe my Lorton friends would love to heart that
2Nothraki2Ded@reddit
What you're describing is train plus other transport service.
bhuff86@reddit
So inconvenience
plutoniator@reddit
What you're describing is worse than a car.
IrritablePanda@reddit
Adding a lot of costs to every trip
2Nothraki2Ded@reddit
Maybe.
hjhof1@reddit
Also still not letting you do what you want to do, if I want to do a cross country trip that involves off roading and camping I can’t take a train and rent a car, because you can’t take rentals off roading. Well aren’t supposed to anyways. Train travel does need to be better but there are still plenty of areas where having your own vehicle beats any sort of public transport
ITypeStupdThngsc84ju@reddit
It isn't a coincidence that the Tesla Robovan looked so train-like.
Trackless trains will make a lot of sense one day. And that sounds almost exactly like a bus that looks more like a train tlcar than a bus.
Eubank31@reddit
Trains are the crab of transportation
MoirasPurpleOrb@reddit
Except in my car I don’t have to deal with anyone else, I’m in my own space, and I can use it at both destinations.
Eubank31@reddit
In a good rail network you have the option to have a room to yourself and there are trains at both ends of the journey you can use to get anywhere you like
Corona688@reddit
Why did trains give up? You'd think they could do a lot more. do they not want money any more?
Eubank31@reddit
Passenger rail is not profitable in the same way it is not profitable to maintain a road network. In the 50s and 60s the US govt decided they would maintain and expand the road network, but did not give the same priority to rail
60minuteman23@reddit
I dream of an autonomous motor home. I could sit and drink coffee, watch TV, or take a shower while traveling. If only 300 or 400 mile range would be fine as I could charge overnight. As I get older, a car like that to take me around would work also. There is no replacement for my 2500, which needs to tow a 3 horse trailer 600 to 700 miles in a pinch. That won't due with the current ev trucks.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
All of that stuff is down already. You can get an Equinox EV with 300 miles of range that charges in a half hour with Supercruise.
IrritablePanda@reddit
When I roadtrip I do around 600 miles in a day. It’s getting there of course, but right now an ice car is far simpler and will save at least an hour of the travel per day best case scenario. And fully autonomous cars are not there yet at all
Lower_Kick268@reddit
You drive 600 miles without stopping? Charge the car and get out and stretch your legs or nap or something.
IrritablePanda@reddit
I’ve driven 1100 straight stopping just for gas and fast food drive throughs. It’s not a problem for 2 drivers. 600 can be done in 10 hours on a highway trip even with gas stops and fast food or packing a cooler.
Business_Oven_3821@reddit
Bro you are deep in the minority. The vast majority don’t drive from Washington DC to Miami without stopping.
Weinerdogwhisperer@reddit
A tesla will charge 200 miles in less time than it takes to find the bathrooms in a bucees. I drove 1200 miles each way this spring on a trip. 10 minute stop every 2-3 hours. No real difference in travel time. I would have stopped that much for coffee and piss breaks.
Love_my_imperfection@reddit
I'd say I'm an extreme edge case but wanted to chime in.
I've done 450, 650 and 1200 mile trips (one way so double for round trip.), multiple times in two mindsets, get it done as quickly as possible or chill normal driving.
For chill normal driving during the day I'd say EV is there and it works. If it's during the night or I'm trying to get a trip done as quickly as possible EV doesn't hold a candle to ICE.
I've done my chill normal driving trips in about exactly the time Google maps said it would take, and when I want to do it as quickly as possible I've gotten it down to 80% of the driving time.
Which basically came down to keeping that average speed as high as possible due to maximum 1 bathroom break (#1 not #2 lol) snacks prepared beforehand in the passenger seat, and spending less than 2 minutes stopped at gas stations so that any gains aren't lost waffling about.
I wouldn't have tried those trips the way I did if it was in an EV because that mandatory idle time would be agonizing. ^^and ^^the ^^felony ^^speeds ^^required ^^to ^^gain ^^that ^^amount ^^of ^^time ^^would ^^drain ^^the ^^battery ^^too ^^quickly ^^and ^^give ^^me ^^range ^^anxiety.
In the end it doesn't matter though because driving that way is so tiring and really not worth it.
Really the only obstacle for me is I'd much prefer pumping fuel at night over sitting there charging at night.
blueorangan@reddit
I did a road trip in a Tesla. The problem with teslas is that you are limited to superchargers. If you really want McDonald’s and the supercharger doesn’t have one, you need to supercharge first for 15 min and then drive to a McDonald’s.
Also, say you actually want to do a sit down restaurant, it can get tricky because the car charges so fast you might hit 100 before you’re done eating so now you have to leave and move your car.
doctorhoctor@reddit
Why don’t go to the drive through before you hit the SC and eat in the car watching Netflix or Hulu on the screen in theater mode?
blueorangan@reddit
Because then you’re stuck in the car. That’s not really stretching my legs and getting a break of being outside the car.
It’s ultimately not that big of a deal but definitely something to consider and to some it might be a deal breaker.
ITypeStupdThngsc84ju@reddit
Agreed. It gets tricky if you can't double up the stop with something else useful.
The speed issue is true too, tbh. Even a bucees usually has me getting back when it is already over 90%
Mijam7@reddit
Why?
Sdwerd@reddit
When the Apteras start coming out, they're setting one option at 1000 miles of range.
ITypeStupdThngsc84ju@reddit
Biggest problem with aptera is the looming bankruptcy. They have essentially zero chance at this point.
jaOfwiw@reddit
Apteras at the cost of all safety. I'd rather drive a car that gets 200 miles range with all the safety features, than a trike that can do 1000.. it's very cool, but looks insanely dangerous to me.
Sdwerd@reddit
That mindset is the only reason anyone thinks it would be dangerous now. It's that race to the largest suv/truck possible.
jaOfwiw@reddit
No I ride motorcycle and have been in wrecks, it's a three wheeler that its whole ethos is to get high efficiency. It's probably going to be classified as a motorcycle in many states.
Safety equipment weighs a lot, it's not just the 13 airbags, it's the frame and engineering to take the impacts. That all equals weight. Most modern cars that rank the highest on safety all weigh more than double what the Aptera weighs. They all also have more road contact patch than the Aptera. If you want an Aptera to get some dream efficiency and self reliance that's great. I encourage it, but don't pretend people are going to stop driving 4 ton vehicles, you are throwing safety out the window for it.
ironeagle2006@reddit
That's weak numbers November of 2020 I did a 1900 mile round trip Streator Illinois to Dazell SC in 28 total hours I drove 26 out of the 27 hours required. We stopped on the way back in Kentucky for a sit down meal at Fazolis then refilled the tank for the next to last time.
blueorangan@reddit
How often are you driving 1000 miles? Why not just fly
ratrodder49@reddit
1) expensive
2) have to then rent a car at the other end of the flight, also expensive
3) can’t take everything you might need depending on the trip
4) part of having fun on a trip is the journey. Wife and I drove 950 miles one way to go to a friend’s wedding a couple years ago, we stopped at some really cool places along the way. Can’t do that on a plane.
blueorangan@reddit
Agree with number 4 but my question is, how often are you really doing that?
If the answer is a couple times a year then yeah maybe electric is not for you. Otherwise, just rent a gas car.
spud4@reddit
My hybred gets 25 mi battery-only, 640 mi total around 50 mpg so the 600 mile trip without a gas stop.
disposeafte@reddit
Lol I've done 1245 in 16:36 in a stickshift solo it's not that hard. I even took a 20 minute nap.
MaximumDerpification@reddit
I make a 640 mile road trip a couple times a year and I can knock it out in less than 9hrs... I time my water consumption with my fueling so I make a single lightning quick pit stop for fuel and to pee and then I'm back on the road after 5-10min tops.
bmonksy@reddit
"600 miles in a day" doesn't imply no stopping. Before I moved recently, I routinely did 750 mile drives in a day. I did it a handful of times in 10 hours before I realized my speedometer was reading slow and I had been driving 83-85 mph. When I adjusted to 81 as a max speed, it went up to 10.5-11 hours. That's just 1-2 gas stops and a fast food stop. Quick stop at a rest area for the rest room if necessary.
Admiral_peck@reddit
I've driven from Lancaster California to odessa Texas with only 2 10-minute stops. (94 ford f150 with dual tanks and a 100-gallon transfer tank in the bed)
IrritablePanda@reddit
Also super cruise is not what I’m talking about. You still need your eyes focused on the road and have an engaged driver.
I’m talking about cyber cab type stuff or the gm cruise self driving vehicle (not to be confused with super cruise). Stuff so good it wouldn’t need a wheel and a brake pedal (although personally I would love one as a backup).
I already have adaptive cruise with start stop in an ice car and I can get super cruise as well if I wanted it. It’s nice of course, but it’s a driver aide, not a driver replacement.
ITypeStupdThngsc84ju@reddit
600 miles in a model 3 is really easy to do in a day. That's a pretty typical trip in my older Model Y LR, and the new ones are quite a bit better at it.
lazyanachronist@reddit
I've done 900+ mile days a couple times with my rivian as a solo driver. Likely going to do it again in a few months. Averaged 65mph including stops to charge. When I'm traveling with my partner in her 4Runner we're substantially slower because most people can only do so many miles in a day.
The ability to put down miles is mostly on the person these days.
IrritablePanda@reddit
I’m not at all questioning that it’s doable in an electric vehicle. It is. I’m also not at all criticizing anyone who would choose to today. Every person’s needs are unique in a vehicle.
But if you and I left the same place at the same time and needed to travel that 900 miles in a single day, you’d get there cheaper and I’d get there sooner. Time is money though too.
lazyanachronist@reddit
My goal was 500-600 miles. I stopped because the sun went down and I found a nice place to camp. My point was driving an EV on a road trip is way less tiring than an ICE, and enjoying the trip is part of a road trip for most people, which is why most people do 300-500 mile days.
NVH is a big thing after a day behind the wheel. The next day I did another 400 and then a few hours of hiking.
It's something people don't seem to think about. My 900 mile day was a really easy day enjoying the scenery through Idaho and Utah.
MoirasPurpleOrb@reddit
You can’t take your eyes off the road with super cruise
300 miles of range quickly becomes 250 when you have to charge at 10% and stop at 80%
30 minutes is still too long.
None of these things are that big of a deal, but it’s like, why would I want to deal with that when I can just drive an ICE vehicle?
omnomnomnomnom11@reddit
As someone who only does long road trips occasionally, I'm sold on EVs as they are currently. Charging can seem like a chore, but it basically becomes my "me time" in a day filled with work, family, food, sports, etc .. so it's usually 20-25 minutes 3 times a week. I will also say that several ev car makers offer 2 years of free charging for up to 30 mins a day. So I haven't paid for any gas or electric related to my car in about 6 months. I can't do the math, but it's a substantial amount of money there.
NotYetReadyToRetire@reddit
Hyundai offered (still does, I think) 2 years of unlimited free 30-minute sessions at Electrify America as long as they're at least 60 minutes apart; at a 350 kW charger my Ioniq 6 charges from 10% to 80% in 18 minutes or so. That's the same amount of time it takes me to walk into the store (lots of times it's Walmart, Kroger, Meijer or Target), use the restroom, buy some snacks and/or drinks and walk back to the car.
At 75-80 mph, I can get about 180-200 miles between stops. These days I usually need a break around 150 miles anyway, so it works out fine for me. In my 20's and 30's I'd have hated it, but at almost 70, my 1000 to 1200 (or more) mile road warrior days are behind me.
My wife and I drove from Cincinnati OH to Vancouver BC for a cruise this summer. We wound up doing 500-600 miles most days; with the free EA charging we spent just under $35 on charging for 5800 miles of travel. It was 50 free EA stops, 2 ChargePoint stops and 1 stop at On the Run in Canada.
Without the free EA charging, it would have been about $150 more than taking my wife's Bronco Sport, but I wouldn't have been cruising along I80 or I90 at 85-90 with longish stretches at 100+ in a 4-cylinder car; the Ioniq 6 was perfectly happy running all day long at those speeds.
AdComfortable5486@reddit
And the EVs are more expensive. (And the long term reliability/repair ability and battery replacement down the road are still prohibitive!)
ccache@reddit
Nah, full self driving is long ways off still. Elon has been spouting their cars will be full self driving by 2017 since then. Yet their last recall tesla said their cars are at level 2 out of 5. It needs to mature before I'd ever use that shit, like IrritablePanda said, I'm not going to be the beta tester. Also 300 isn't enough for long road trips.
PossibleCan6414@reddit
Unless you are in a hurricane evac mode in dead traffic .Now you are a brick in the road.[yes Floyd].
Rokarion14@reddit
Is it even a premium though? For under $40k you can get a 330 mile range car that will autopilot La to Vegas with 1 stop, is faster than 99% of ice cars and will come to you when you summon it. I’ve paid about $100 total in “fuel” this year because I get to charge at work. And that’s with a Vegas and mammoth trip.
wizzard419@reddit
Not sure how common they are in the US but in other countries they have car trains where it's akin to a ferry, you load the car on and it's there where you arrive so you can continue on.
Iron_Patton_24@reddit
The U.S. has car trains. Usually it’s meant for vacationers.
wizzard419@reddit
I think that is what most of them are meant for globally. For a commute it would be impractical due to the load/unload times.
Iron_Patton_24@reddit
I think most of them have fallen out of favor. Since the interstate is just easier and a driver can stop wherever and visit wherever.
IrritablePanda@reddit
I mentioned this in a number of my replies - only 2 stations in the us - Washington DC to Orlando Florida or the other direction. I use it regularly already, and it’s not bad but it can be pricey, it could be done faster by car, the rooms are tight and the bathrooms are coffins.
panteragstk@reddit
Well said. Those are pretty.ich my thoughts as well.
Battery tech and charging speed is the biggest hurdle for mainstream adoption.
Getting car guys to buy them is going to be tough.
Bulky_Dingo_4706@reddit
You’re not a car guy if you don’t want to drive the car.
NoWastegate@reddit
Truly autonomous where I could do a 10 hr drive...leave at 10pm and arrive at 8am and sleep all the way...count me in. Until then...meh not interested.
Roonil-B_Wazlib@reddit
Self-driving RV is my dream for retirement. Go to sleep and wake up somewhere new everyday z
cozeface@reddit
Pay a premium… lol. You seen what EVs cost rn? Clearly clueless.
IrritablePanda@reddit
Sure, because paying $100k for a cybertruck or a Silverado ev is totally reasonably compared to a sub $50k v8 truck. Getting a large people/cargo mover 3 row suv in an electric is of course totally affordable. 🤣
Also my commentary about beta testing was generally about self driving.
Certain demographics are coming around in price with electric offerings which is what you’re alluding to, but not nearly all of them. Not everyone is looking for a smaller crossover or sedan.
cozeface@reddit
Ok, where to start … lots of unequal comparisons being made. A cyber truck or Silverado EV is nowhere near a sub $50k anything. You want an ICE truck with the same power numbers well then you’re looking at the same price or more tbh; V8 ain’t a comparison lol.
A lot of people want a sedan or crossover! Just look at the buyer data from the last 10 years. Admittedly EV trucks and SUVs aren’t as prevalent yet, but the ones that are available compare to competitively priced ICE trucks, but still with more power/TQ.
mcrissjr@reddit
Who said anything about the same power numbers? Nobody's claiming ICE is on par with electric for the money. And previous poster was a bit sensational. Still, if I want to tow a boat or camper, a Lightning starts at $65k and a mass market trim Silverado EV will be similar, if a bit more. Whereas a $40k gas truck tows perfectly well. So yes, for people who don't care about 0-60 times in their pickup truck (ie: almost everybody), you're asking them to pay an extra $20k for the EV
gstringstrangler@reddit
All that extra power, how far you towing a 5000# boat or 10000# holiday trailer between charges? Or god forbid an actual work truck 😱They left that part out too.
cozeface@reddit
Not the point, read above reply.
gstringstrangler@reddit
Nobody said EV trucks were sub 40k, seems you missed the point and tried to make a completely different one.
Cheaper ICE trucks are still better at actually doing a lot of truck things.
cozeface@reddit
No. We need to compare apples to apples, otherwise all of these points are irrelevant. It doesn’t matter what you say a $40k truck can do, just compare equivalent vehicles to each other and then you can start to have a conversation about what is a better option, at that price point. If a $60k truck is too expensive then why are you even talking about an EV truck that cost $60-70k? If a $40k truck does what you need and want then just go with that and disregard the more expensive option.
For context, staying within only ICE vehicles, a Lexus does the same thing as a Corolla, but there’s reasons why one would choose one car over the other. This seems basic to me.
gstringstrangler@reddit
Cost isn't the only comparison. An ICE pickup is still better than an EV Pickup at a lot of things. I can spec a one ton diesel brand new for probably 50k, I can spec it with the exact same drivetrain, up and over 100k, what's your point again?
The Lexus and Corolla can do the same thing, because they share the same drivetrain, no shit. One is a luxury veh, again, no shit.
You might have instant torque, and more torque, yet a Cybertruck towing capacity is still the same as a half ton @~11k lbs for 100-150 miles. That's a laughable range to tow anything in my line of work, and that's not considering half the year when it's below freezing. One ton diesels will all pull 35000lbs and assuming ~10mpg loaded will go about 340 miles.
Your more expensive truck isn't even in the same ballpark.
cozeface@reddit
I think that by making your point, you’ve also missed the mark on where EV trucks are at. EV trucks are not yet at the point where commercial usage is optimal. EV cars and crossovers are becoming great options for families and commuters , but work trucks just aren’t there yet. No EV that I know of makes sense for a commercial use contractor yet. Maybe the Lightening but only for the foreman probably, not for heavy use. Nobody is trying to pry anyone’s ICE trucks from the hands of Americans lol. The trend however, is that EVs will probably replace ICE trucks but we are a long way off from that, we may not even see that in our lifetime.
This whole back and forth started from someone stating that EVs were universally more expensive and that just isn’t the case. When this swayed toward talking about trucks the discourse veered in another direction. Work based trucks are still in a different category, ice trucks are still a better option for most contractors and construction outfits. Let’s be real here, ain’t nobody buying a cybertruck and trying to go fix houses for real. What I do think is a real factor to consider however, if you’re just a regular homeowner that occasionally needs a truck and commutes in it anyway, a Lightening or Silverado EV is much cheaper to fuel and operate daily.
mcrissjr@reddit
If I took off with my boat with the Teslas in drag mode, I'd probably lose the boat right off the trailer!
gstringstrangler@reddit
Yes but that wasn't my question at all
cozeface@reddit
I said everything about par for par comparison. If you don’t want a truck with that power then just buy an ICE truck. What I’m stating is that the comparisons are unfair. EV trucks are great, but the entry level EV truck is the equivalent of a $50k ice truck, are you in the market for that tier of truck? If so, then we have a conversation, if not, then don’t get this shit confused. One needs to look at the equivalent vehicle, just comparing ICE to EV is unfair, you need apples to apples.
Brick656@reddit
My father made a good point. A majority of truck buyers don’t want electric. They prefer what they have always had. My father will be buried with his base model, 5 speed, single cab, power nothing, Chevrolet S10.
lakorai@reddit
Or die in a fiery crash due to Elon's still beta software
ohiohandyman81@reddit
Could have an ice autonomous car. Best of both
IrritablePanda@reddit
Not necessarily opposed there, but a lot of challenges are removed with an electric car, such as starting it up, shifting gears, being able to potentially “refuel” without human interaction and so on.
wimpires@reddit
What would you define as this?
The Lotus Emeya for example has about 320mi of real world range and can charge from 10-80% (224 mi range replenished) in about 15 mins.
You could theoretically do 1,000 mi road trip with 3 stops totalling about an hour.
I'm not saying buy an Emeya but the technology is here today
IrritablePanda@reddit
The charging problem is less the car and more the random adapters you need and speed differences for different charging stations. Not to mention the total amount of them and that they are rarely built for flexibility such as charging a vehicle that’s currently towing another vehicle.
Would I like more range and faster speeds? Sure, but the best of the best is more or less there today, the problem is that experience is not remotely universal yet.
random9212@reddit
You realize you are talking about a train, right? You can do all those things you are waiting for on a train.
IrritablePanda@reddit
Like the other reply about a train - you don’t still have your vehicle to use on the other side of the trip on a train or plane. You can’t take a car full of your stuff with you. If you’re over 6 feet tall like me you aren’t going to be comfortable on a train or plane. It’s a totally different experience
random9212@reddit
You can put your car on a train, look up the auto train. you can rent a car when you are at the closest station, you can (gasp) take transit, walk, bike etc. these are solved problems. Do you really think you would be more comfortable sitting In a seat for hours not able to move where as on a train you can get up walk around maybe go to the bar car and have a drink or two or use the bathroom? I assure you that as a person over 6 feet, I would much rather travel on a train than in a car.
IrritablePanda@reddit
There are literally 2 auto train stations in the United States. I do use it regularly.
And again, to be clear, I’m looking forward at the future of autonomous vehicles. Being on something more like a recliner vs sitting in a car seat for that time. You are also a much smaller person than I because the bathrooms in the train are not what I would call an advantage whatsoever.
random9212@reddit
And if there were 50 or 100 more around North America, would you use it more?
IrritablePanda@reddit
Yes. I use the 2 stations now at least 1-2 times a year
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Yeah let me just go get on the train in my front yard to take to the grocery store
random9212@reddit
I was replying to someone who said they didn't want to drive on a long trip and they would like to be able to play on their phone and take a nap. All things you can do on a train. And with a properly set up metro and reasonable city planning, you could absolutely take a short walk to a metro station. Take that train to a grocery store shop and then go home. This is not some far-off dream I could do this now in Vancouver with the skytrain (you can do it in other cities too. I am just more familiar with Vancouver)
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Not everyone lives in a city bro. I’m like 45 minutes from the nearest city like 5 miles outside of any kind of town in the middle of a bunch of farm fields. This is how the majority of Americans are
random9212@reddit
And not everyone will drive an electric car. So what?
ChipOld734@reddit
Exactly this. ☝🏻
TheSpaceBoundPiston@reddit
An autonomous tow pig actually sounds kind of nice.
railmanmatt@reddit
Oink
Blazer323@reddit
WHEN the WRX blows up (again) I'm going electric drivetrain. Having built a few electric Razors, it's the next step in adding far too much power into a small chassis and scaring my friends with axle-snapping acceleration.
Artistic_Muffin7501@reddit
After driving a Taycan - F-Yes!
One of the best driving cars I’ve ever . . . drives
chrissy__chris@reddit
Toyota’s coming out with some actually nice electric car batteries (solid-state) in the next few years. I’ll consider one when they have a car available with it.
Effective_Potato4982@reddit
Ain’t no way.👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽
brassplushie@reddit
Not until the batteries aren't lithium ion. Those cars are essentially moving bombs.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
And needs special treatment in case of fire
brassplushie@reddit
Yep.
Taidixiong@reddit
I have owned one. It was fine as a second car.
I would do it again, but still only as a second car.
Puzzleheaded_Rain_22@reddit
If they work in the cold and get a range I need, then yes. I’m not having two vehicles because an electric one is shit.
pwsparky55@reddit
Nope!
ATX_native@reddit
Absolutely, especially for our daily vehicle.
We have a Rivian R2 Day 1 reservation slot, can’t wait!
FitzwilliamTDarcy@reddit
I’m on my second and am never going back to ICE.
doccat8510@reddit
Absolutely. If charging speed and range improves I’m in.
PM_me_your_mcm@reddit
Absolutely. Right now, as my only vehicle, at a premium? No. But eventually, or maybe even as a second vehicle now, sure.
tysonfromcanada@reddit
Sure when it works for my needs. Currently do a fair amount of longer distance drives for work which kinda limits it.
They'll get there
bigniccosuaveee@reddit
I would get one as a daily and have a fun ICE car for Sunday drives. But waiting for the aptera which unfortunately might never come. I like the idea that I would only need to charge a few times a year because it uses so little power, has a huge battery for very long range, and solar panels so it’s always charging. Plus they’re very pro right to repair and DIY.
honkyslonky@reddit
If they're ever (actually) cheap and (truly) repairable, sure. 10k for one that's ready to be disposed of isn't cheap.
Unlucky_Formal_1201@reddit
Wife just ordered an EV macan. I’m actually pretty excited to try it out
Flyerwhat@reddit
That’s a thing???
Unlucky_Formal_1201@reddit
Yeah, here’s her build - she has purple hair that matches the car if that helps make more sense of why this color lol arrives in December. Then my car comes 2 months later 🥲
Same-Cricket6277@reddit
Nice, that’s my favorite new color.
Unlucky_Formal_1201@reddit
Tell me about why you didn’t like the innodrive
Same-Cricket6277@reddit
I find that in general the active lane keep ability on Porsche is one of the worse ones, not even as good as our other Audi. The Innodrive just ratchets that up with more control over speed and stuff that it doesn’t seem to do well consistently. It certainly doesn’t make the drive more relaxing, as I still have to maintain even more concentration because I never can trust it and at any time it may just stop tracking and drift to another lane mid turn, which is dangerous. I figure why even bother using it if it just makes me more stressed? It was I think about a $2000 option on the Taycan, the price has changed since we got ours, but regardless it was a total waste of money IMHO. I really like the ACC, and the lane change assist, those are handy for sure.
Unlucky_Formal_1201@reddit
Wow! What model year was this
Same-Cricket6277@reddit
23 Taycan 4S, otherwise I love the car and am trying to do as many miles as possible 😊 so far 20k in the first year. One of the best driving cars I’ve ever had. Love it tons and wouldn’t trade it for anything to daily drive around LA traffic.
TyVIl@reddit
Lease it. We love our Taycan but it has issues
Same-Cricket6277@reddit
That sucks to hear you’re having issues. Love our Taycan, 20k miles and no issues. Can’t wait to buy the next generation in 5 years or whenever it comes out. The 911 I have is a hold for life though. Love my 991.2 😊. As another data point our one neighbor also has a Taycan, but he’s having to Lemon it because of problems with the brakes and some sensors that keep engaging auto braking, they haven’t fixed it after many times in the shop and so many parts replaced. Our other neighbor has a Taycan also and theirs is a few years older, but no issues with it for them either. Seems to be hit or miss.
cuteglock@reddit
Hate the backup camera on mine
TyVIl@reddit
That’s the one thing that does work on our Taycan… But never works on our new Cayenne.
cuteglock@reddit
Which year do you have?
TyVIl@reddit
Taycan is a 22. Cayenne is a 23.
Unlucky_Formal_1201@reddit
I’ve been hearing this! I think I’m going to take you up on that. What issues if I can ask?
TyVIl@reddit
The PCM works when it feels like it. Lately it’s been on strike. Our Cayenne has weird issues too but they’re more pronounced in the Taycan.
averysleepygirl@reddit
as a purple lover this car is to die for 😍 she's got taste!
Flyerwhat@reddit
Love the purple
NiceGuysFinishLast@reddit
They're quick as fuuuuuck
dannydigtl@reddit
Hell yeah. Want.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Good luck
Adventurous-Voice-23@reddit
Never
litescript@reddit
one day? i have one now. so do my dad and my sister. currently the ideal combo is one gas/hybrid, one electric. if you can’t swing two, get an ICE in whatever flavor you prefer.
right415@reddit
Yes. Former ASE master tech turned engineer. I have four cars, the one I drive to work every day is Electric. The one I drive to camp in the woods or to take my dogs to the beach is an old Toyota. Then two "hobby" cars that spend a lot of time getting tinkered on in the garage.
theunit09@reddit
Agreed, I currently lease a leaf as my daily and it saving me so much on gas which also helps me not hesitate to use my XJ for any form of fun trips I desire. Plus wear and tear on a 2 year lease is way preferable to a vehicle Ive owned for 18 years and already swapped the motor on... I love ICE, and plan to keep my jeep until there is no longer justifiable means to power it, but I doubt it will ever be my daily again. I also ride motorcycles, and have every intention of adding an electric dirt bike as prices drop and the range improves to the point to where a full day of riding is possible on a single charge.. not there yet, but it's definitely coming.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Your ev is your daily,.How do you find it
right415@reddit
Fast, quiet, and requires hardly any maintenance.
Mediocre_Spell_9028@reddit
b- b- but if the battery blows in 20 years it'll cost 10k to replace!
InsultInsurance@reddit
lol that's buying used, people make that argument with. Anything new works great.
thewheelsgoround@reddit
Low mileage used Model 3 batteries are already <5k CAD!
finitef0rm@reddit
This, the insane repair costs are out of warranty at the dealer. You should never take ANY car to the dealer out of warranty regardless of what propulsion method it uses. There are plenty of 3rd party shops near me that will do battery repair on Teslas for <$6k (assuming it's just one module of the pack that needs to be replaced rather than the whole pack, which is incredibly rare).
Kennedygoose@reddit
This made me chuckle. I’ve heard it a few times about my Prius. Was told I should get rid of it before the battery goes out at 50 thousand miles ago. It needs some love because it drives in winter, but that has nothing to do with the battery and everything to do with salt.
SwissMargiela@reddit
My ‘08 RX400h battery died after 40k miles.
Never got it fixed and sold it with 380k miles lmao
amusedid10t@reddit
Your RX400h would not start with a dead hybrid battery.
SwissMargiela@reddit
This is correct. Nor did the car want to drive with it dead because it’s linked to the transmission, or was the entire transmission iirc.
We had to attach it to a 12v which a very blessed mechanic helped me with. Similar to how it’s done in this video but not really.
Once the car was on the battery was fine and would operate, but would constantly be at under 5% and couldn’t hold a charge beyond that, but would die if the car sat for any time at all.
thewheelsgoround@reddit
For sure. And the day you -do- need a battery, you realize it’s $500 on the used market for a low mileage one and it takes 1.5 hours to DIY the swap.
I loved my 2010 Prius. It was working just as well last year as it was when it was new. Only reason I no longer own it is I bought an EV.
please_respect_hats@reddit
I can’t charge where I live right now, so I got a 2017 Prius a month or so ago to replace my 2008 Pontiac Grand Prix that had been my daily for the last 5-6 years.
I adore it. Drives so smoothly, the efficiency is great even with my shitty unoptimized driving. I got the highest trim (Four Touring) so the interior is nice. The adaptive cruise is great for a 2017.
A lot less to maintain. No power steering pump or fluid, which was a plus after my Grand Prix. That thing had constant power steering issues.
thewheelsgoround@reddit
Absolutely awesome cars. We have tons of them in the fleet at work - they just work and work and work. The drivers really like them, too.
Keep an eye on the coolant level + temperature light. About the only thing that ever goes wrong with these is the exhaust<->coolant heat exchanger cracks, leaking coolant into the exhaust. Toyota extended the warranty on that part so some ungodly long duration.
If you do put some effort into driving style, you'll crack 1000km on a tank!
MrRocketScientist@reddit
I do the same thing. I daily a Model Y Performance to keep the miles off my good cars.
Zdmins@reddit
I have an EV daily too. Along with a 986s and a Jeep Jk. The ev is for any driving that’s not fun (errands, work etc) and it’s perfect for that.
BrightonRocksQueen@reddit
I find my Ioniq more fun than the A4 it replaced, and a better ride in traffic or long trip. Will never want to deal with jerky gear changes ever again... But it is the lack of gas smell & engine vibration that I like best about EV
Zdmins@reddit
It’s funny that what you like most about EVs, is what I like most about ICE.
BrightonRocksQueen@reddit
You'll grow out of it eventually, probably. But no worries if not, it would be no fun if we all had the same taste! I'm old, a smooth ride without gear change jerkiness keeps my bladder at peace!
__slamallama__@reddit
They are incredible daily drivers if you have home charging. Never going to get gas is liberating.
j12@reddit
Ev is a great daily. It’s an appliance. Soulless but gets the job done better and cheaper than any ice car.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
It's just a car takes you from A to B .
the_last_carfighter@reddit
Like any car it's how you drive it. EVs are a laugh riot, explosive out of slow corners. They're just a different flavor and after decades in all sorts of cars from rotary, turbo 4's, inline and V6 to V8's, it all eventually became repetitive to some degree, it's awesome to have something truly different with crazy power from 0rpm and amazing throttle response at any rpm, that's so consistent it elevates your abilities because you know exactly how it will respond every damned time you squeeze that pedal. It's a sniper rifle in a world of black powder muskets.
Tip-Actual@reddit
Agreed. It's crazy how I will get passed aggressively by Accords and Chargers but as soon as I'm in a good enough position I floor my Y and silently leave them in the dust.
N0P3sry@reddit
If I felt that way- I’d have an EV. Not yet- I live rural and there aren’t any/enough charging stations.
But- and neither view is rly wrong. A car is not just an appliance to go from a to b. It’s a dance with a machine. You could block out the tach and still know when to shift by the sound of the engine. You do’t rly listen to music as much as the engine. AC? Maybe if it’s 90 or above. Windows down, a decent plant pulling miles is music to some.
You know which tire is low or high pressure by the feel in the corners. Ride quality isn’t measured by comfort but by grip and lateral g.
EVs are more comfy, cheaper, smoother and faster. Who cares! There’s less interaction with a machine and what little there is is muted.
Heel-toe shifting. Rev matching. Or even a very satisfying double clutched down shift. Entry Apex and giving it the beans and feeling the car hit that sweet spot which let you know- yep- I finally nailed that turn.
If I live to 75/80 I’ll probably have no choice. (I’m 56) but I’m going to hold on to driving (rather than just riding in) my car. No matter if it’s more convenient, safer, faster, etc, bc it’ll never be as fun as my Chevelle was or my spitfire. Sentra R or wrx.
Milk_With_Cheerios@reddit
It’s okay, you are a dinosaur and don’t like change. That’s and old tale since humans began thinking, always afraid of change and stuck in their old ways.
N0P3sry@reddit
Not afraid. Just love cars. Working on.. Changing oil. Filters. Swapping seasonal tires. Yeah all seasons are good all year. But they’re not as good as a summer performance tire in summer or a winter performance tire in winter. Changing shocks. Doing brakes. And Driving em. I’ve always maintained my own cars. Most of them had mid to good performance.
Even rebuilt a 302 for a cougar I had and the inline 6 in the spitfire.
No fear- just a lifelong love will run its course. Like all things do. But yeah- in this I’m a total dinosaur at 55. But I’ve been under the hood since I was 8 with my uncle and my grandpa. (Dad want a gearhead)
I’ll miss it. The new cars are amazing performers. Better than anything I ever owned. Performance isn’t everything. But they don’t scratch the itch. Sound. The feel of the pedals and steering.
The most fun car was the worst performing I owned from a 0-60 or 1/4 mile perspective. But nothing was as fun to drive as the spitfire.
dinnerisbreakfast@reddit
My Mach e has just as much soul as any automatic car I have driven. It could never match the thrill of a manual sports car, but you can still have a lot of fun with it.
Tip-Actual@reddit
I have yet to drive an ICE car with a soul, by the way I don't even know what that means. A car is a car, don't know why EVs are called soulless.
GreaseGeek@reddit
But they aren’t all soulless. We drive a fiat 500e and it’s just as fun to drive as my Miata. Small, zippy, very maneuverable.
Antrikshy@reddit
Forget soul. My EV is such a blast to drive, it has ruined all other cars for me. If I press the pedal, I want my vehicle to just go, no hesitation, no transmission changes. Every ICE vehicle hesitates.
nomnommish@reddit
Stuff doesn't have "soul" because it is loud, has a ton of moving parts, leaks oil, and is unreliable. I have never understood this logic. It's just nostalgia and conservatism couched in fancy words like "soul".
Does a wood worker feel his manual hand tools have more "soul" than his motorized tools? Or do you feel your gas operated clothes dryer has more soul and character than an electric clothes dryer??
"It's an appliance" because cars ARE appliances. To put it differently, by your logic, a horse buggy has more "soul" than your new fangled smelly leaky automobile. There's no better feeling than to smell horse manure in the morning and the best morning exercise is to shovel horseshit first thing before getting to work.
All you people have to realize that only horse buggies have true character and you're only infatuated with your automobiles because "they are appliances".
Malevolint@reddit
Lmao fucking preach. I'll take zero maintenance over soul every day of the week.
IDontThinkImABot101@reddit
We daily a Bolt, and it kicks ass.
We bought a 2019 for 13k and spent about $130 a month to charge it for around 1600 miles of driving.
This way, my Frontier (with mud tires) and junky Miata only go on the fun drives.
krombopulousnathan@reddit
Usually I can remember but if not I’ll make the horn chirp with the key fob
DrivingHerbert@reddit
This is basically what I have done. I have an electric for going to work and doing little errands, wife has a late model awd ICE for her stuff plus trips then an old pick up truck for when I do truck things and a hobby car.
faxious1@reddit
Im in the same boat car wise. Daily is a M3P, off-roader is a '89 Dodge Raider, utility is a '96 F-150, and then my fun weekend car is a boosted '99 Miata
Ive owned a bunch of cars and I gotta say for a daily you cannot compete with an EV. Full charge in the morning, fastest thing stoplight to stoplight around town, quiet, and is loaded with some neat tech.
Four years in and Ive changed tires twice, two cabin air filters, and had to have the rear axels re-greased to stop some clicking which was covered under warranty. The only con is that I bought during peak used market so the value has tanked. I do not plan on getting rid of it until it becomes too expensive to own
RuralDisturbance@reddit
actual 1000 mile range and ill consider it
AxelsOG@reddit
When it gets to a point of being a full on personal chauffeur I’ll then absolutely buy one. I want to sit in the back of an S class that drives me anywhere I need to be.
FeastingOnFelines@reddit
No oil changes or blown head gaskets…? Absolutely!
JustOneMorePuff@reddit
I’m a serial trader in. Have had a Supra, Toyota, a sweet gmc suv, many many bmws, but about a year ago my kids switched schools and I’m doing over 20k miles per year. I’m carting kids all over the damn place. Traded in my bmw for an EV. Was sad to lose the soul and sound of ICE. That lasted about 5 minutes because this car is fast and smooth and fun and downright cheap to run. I kinda want another
Numerous-Syrup6682@reddit
I would absolutely love to rn, but they’re too expensive for my college student wallet…
zebraskin5@reddit
Not even for just one day.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
That's what I'm waiting for 😉😎😎
DaOrcus@reddit
If I ever move to a big city, hell yea. But as it is now, in my small(ish) Texas city, I'll take my gas sedan. Also this would be in the future, at least 10-15 years from now, and I would need a fun weekend car too
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Surely the infrastructure is a game changer in such decision.
DaOrcus@reddit
Infrastructure and it just makes sense to drive an electric for short distances, it's where they excel. Hybrids too but I rather have a few hundred electric ponies than like 100 gas and 50 electric in a hybrid. Also charging during the weekend for enough "gas" for the weekdays.
ZombieInDC@reddit
Lifelong car lover here -- I almost pulled the trigger on an EV during the pandemic, but ultimately got a hybrid instead. I'm attracted to the technology, reliability, and speed of EVs, although I still have some concerns about the availability of public charging. The opening of the Tesla charging network to other brands is a huge a gamechanger. I'm pretty sure my next car will be an EV, I just have to wait until my kids finish college before I can buy it.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
What EV would you choose among the available ones?
ZombieInDC@reddit
I'm in the market for a mid-range crossover, and my current preferences are the Kia EV6, the Hyundai Ioniq 5, and the Ford Mustang Mach-E. With the recent price reductions, the Tesla Model X should be on my list, but I'm not crazy about Tesla's build quality, or the fact that many of their cars' controls are relegated to the touch screen.
SigmaINTJbio@reddit
I inherited a Bolt. For local driving, it’s my go-to vehicle. Any trips further away than 100 miles, I use my 4Runner or Camaro SS with a manual transmission. I have to adjust to driving with 1, 2, or 3 pedals.
😎
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
You have replacement cars and I liked the adjustment for panels number 😉😉😎
AceGoat_@reddit
Probably not. I had a Polestar as a hire car once and it was the most boring, annoying day of my life. The cars are just incredible boring to drive, then sitting there for 35 minutes to charge up was painful. At the end of the day I was so thankful to get back in to my car.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
What do you drive now?
Cyte-069@reddit
They are boring, ugly, overpriced, take long to charge and the infrastructure for them are basically non existent in my country.
If they sorted all those things out, made a sporty car that feels like a car or made a 4x4 that can actually travel and go anywhere then yes.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
You're right
Stuyou@reddit
Yes!
Prophage7@reddit
Definitely. If I could have an EV charger installed in my apartment building parkade I would have one right now.
I do a long road trip maybe a couple times a year, so I could rent a car for that. The overall savings would be negligible once I account for that and the higher insurance premium that just comes with a newer vehicle, but the quality of life improvement would be huge. Never having to stop for fuel because the car is always charged at home, instant heat in the winter, less maintenance to worry about, etc.
Ok-Bookkeeper850@reddit
Hell yes. Too many pluses to not. As a car guy I will only miss the sounds of a v8. But I won’t miss changing all that Dino-fluid. And in exchange for all the maintenance I will no longer have to do I get the crazy acceleration of an electric drive. I test drove a model S in Ludicrous mode. During full throttle acceleration onto a highway my face started to get numb. Yes please.
Corius_Erelius@reddit
Bike yes, car no
Curious_Occasion_801@reddit
When they find a way to lengthen the life of the battery then it will be worth it to me. Lithium ion batteries aren’t new and they degrade and hold a smaller charge over time. Show me a 10 year old EV on the original battery and motors, without any degradation and I would be in. My last knock on the EV is they are an appliance that just serve a purpose and don’t inspire innovation spurred by enthusiasm.
Canadian_Primus@reddit
Currently own an Ioniq 5. 2 years and 86k km and it's been flawless
Boredthrowaway69420@reddit
Currently own an Ioniq 5. 2 years and 86k km and it's been flawless
Dplo27@reddit
No
the_warrior_rlsh@reddit
No.
JuniorDirk@reddit
My current dream car is a C8 Z06, to qualify myself as someone who doesn't ride the EV pole hard-core.
I took one look underneath a Tesla and knew it was a better option for daily use and high mileage. There are literally like 10 main parts that make the car operate, and they rarely break. It's not rare to see a Tesla Model 3 go 250k+ miles with no major issues. The issues an ICE can have are just too plentiful and complex for me to want to take one to high mileage. The maintenance savings alone makes it worth it to me. And a Model 3 is a great road trip car.
I'm also in the south east, so when a hurricane comes and everyone is scrambling to prepare, I simply charge the car to 100% the day the storm hits, and I can power my essentials if the power goes out. It makes the whole hurricane prep thing a complete nonissue.
Substantial-Log-2176@reddit
I definitely would get a plug in Hybrid for a daily driver… especially if they can do a range like the new 2025 ram chargers are claiming. But again I farm so I don’t know how electric would do pulling the stuff we have to pull… I tow 18-20,000 pounds a lot and don’t see how electric would be god for that when going long range. But I have thought about an electric car for my wife just to go back and forth to work since she drives about 60 miles a day, but then I would still want to get a gas car for long road trips to visit her family that lives 500+ miles away
seekertrudy@reddit
Not even if it was free...
doomster9696@reddit
My wife’s Chevy bolt was just totaled and now we got her a Lexus gx460. There definitely some advantages to an electric car but they didn’t outweigh the disadvantages and would not get one again until they really get the technology down.
throwaway231118-@reddit
Yes I’m considering a f150 lightning for my around town work truck but I’m still keeping my other truck. I like cars in general so if I think it’s cool I’m going to like it be it a 3cyl, a massive v12, or anything in between. Some people say I’m not a true car guy because I do like electric cars and motorcycles but whatever.
ramanw150@reddit
Only way I would have an electric car is if I built it myself
NailComprehensive445@reddit
Possibly for local driving/commuting but never for road trips until they figure out a legit way to make it to where recharge stops are no longer than 15 minutes. I’m a “forward progress” driver on trips. I want to be moving forward at all times to get there as fast as possible. If we eat, it’s while we are making forward progress. Stops are limited to restroom, fuel, and food that can be eaten in the car. Stopping for 45 min to get me enough charge to get to the next supercharger 2 hours from here is NOT an option.
spyder994@reddit
Sure. As soon as it's practical, economically sensible, and convenient. For me, that means something with at least 400 miles of range on a charge, within $3k of an equivalent gas model, and capable of charging to near full within 20 minutes.
Speaking of charging, the charging network in the rural US is awful. That's especially true if you're not on the coasts. Even if half of the big interstate travel centers (i.e. Love's) had 2-4 reliably working fast chargers on site, I'd feel a lot more comfortable traveling with an EV.
Particular_Quiet_435@reddit
A 400 mile trip in a car with 300 mile range and 1000 mi/h charging speed would mean stopping once along the way for 6 minutes.
TheCakesofPatty@reddit
And you’ll arrive with a dead battery.
JKraems@reddit
Thats true in raw numbers, but practically I've found long road trips less convenient than the math would show, for a few reasons.
A 400 mile trip in a 300 mile range EV could get maybe 225 miles at interstate speed (plus additional road trip weight). So you can get about halfway (assuming a charger is conveniently at your halfway point) before you need a charge (to 100%). You can charge to 10-80% in about 20 minutes but that last 20% will take another 20 minutes. This will also mean you arrive at your destination with 25-50 miles of range, so you'll need another charge (again, assuming a charger is conveniently at your designation) back up to 100% before your journey home, which is another 40 minutes charging at least.
Maybe some exaggerated number here since I'm doing this off memory, but you get the point. Theoretical and actual numbers are different
Particular_Quiet_435@reddit
10-50% is a lot faster than 10-80%, moreso than the math would show. As the battery charges, the charging rate decreases. But for the first 50% (in a Tesla) it charges near full speed. It tends to be more time-efficient to charge up to 50% and stop more often. In the middle of winter maybe that means two 15-minute stops instead of one 6-minute one. (Assuming there are enough chargers, which isn't so much of a problem in a Tesla.) Could go on but already we're way too far down in the weeds for someone who thinks they need 400 mi range minimum.
Bottom line, stopping 1-2 times on a trip isn't a big deal once you take the plunge. It's actually nice having an excuse to take a break. Unions fought tooth and nail for 10 minute breaks every two hours yet people will drive for 5 hours straight without a break, making themselves miserable in the process. I remember needing time to decompress after a long drive like that. But between Autopilot and the built-in Reddit breaks, it's so much easier now. I don't think twice about hopping in the Tesla and visiting family on short notice. I loved my old manual Subaru but I would be grumpy if I had to drive across state in it.
Firn_ification@reddit
I suggest looking at your usage.
For most people, and I understand you may not fall into this camp, the VAST majority of their driving is within two hours of their home. That means with most EVs you rarely need big range or fast charging. In exchange you get never having to stop for gas for most of the year, and exchange you lose some time on road trips.
Fwiw i purchased a Ford lightning pro extended range. My out the door price was less than MSRP for the cheapest crew cab 4x4 F150 i could get. My Pro is MUCH more well equipped than a no option XL and is a frigging ROCKET. Seriously, other than engine sound the driving experience is the best I have ever had out of my 20+ vehicles.
I have done long trips with it. One was vacation 550 miles away, the other was 1000 miles out one day, and 1000 miles back another, over a long weekend. The vacation was fine, each stop was about 10 minutes more than we liked to spend. The 2000 mile weekend was a bit more rough. 1000 miles was already rough for one day of driving and yes the charging did make that longer, add in holiday traffic and it was a rough day coming back. Those trips were middle US, nowhere near the coasts (Michigan and Wisconsin to be precise).
As for chargers they are a lot more common than folks think. They hide in the corner of parking lots, or at various businesses, so they don't stand out. I suggest trying "A Better Route Planner" for a trip you think you would take, picking an EV that seems interesting to you. ABRP will tell you where to stop, how long you spend there, how long your drive to the next charger, etc.
With a big inefficient ev like my Lightning (and it's relatively slow charging) it isn't great on road trips. Something like a Tesla charges faster and has WAY less battery to fill. It will easily charge in well less than half the time of my truck and I was only spending about 35 minutes charging
lmayfield7812@reddit
lol everyone thinks they need to be able to tow the Statue of Liberty to Nebraska for some reason. They also are disingenuous w the fast charging taking so much extra time because they don’t count the time they spend at the gas station, for some reason, so it’s not an apples-to-apples comparison. Unless you’re getting paid to go get gas, or get your gas delivered to you, you need to factor that time in. I’ll gladly spend extra time charging during those 5-10 days I’m away from my “gas station” at home, because I’ve saved time in the long run. Figure ten min once a week, that’s nearly 10 hours of “extra” time you’ve created by not having to go to the gas station. Even more if you’re one of the dozens of people I see at Costco waiting in line to save $0.10 on a gallon of gas.
Evening-Patience363@reddit
How does it perform with pickup-like activities like towing, plowing, hauling?
Firn_ification@reddit
Hauling. Just fine. Weight has very little impact.
Plowing? I don't know, I would think just great, it's not like you are doing a lot of miles.
Towing, it's also excellent TO tow, but obviously range is severely limited. Aside from hotshots most businesses would be fine towing, where it really tanks is very long distances at very high speeds pulling an aerodynamic brick (aka, glamping). Still, it will do that for nearly two hours, running a dump bed around at NOT-70mph and it should do a solid 3 hours of straight driving.
That said, most trucks are NOT used for those things so I don't know why everyone wants to stand on that hill.
Evening-Patience363@reddit
The long distance towing ability is my problem with them. And I don’t know where you got the notion most trucks aren’t used for these things, is that not the main reason to get them? If you don’t need to tow haul plow etc. then why are you buying a truck? That being said I have a friend with a lightning and it’s definitely a cool truck. He only says positive things about it. Might have to give it a test drive
Firn_ification@reddit
OK, so don't buy one, buy one of the other 99.5% of the truck market. A 4cyl two door 1/2 ton isn't good at towing either, that doesn't mean that it doesn't have a place in the market or a use for someone. He'll, most of the trucks you see are half tons which are far inferior to 3/4 tons for towing.
Why buy a truck? Ask truck owners. But at the end of the day US truck usage is significantly NOT for long distance towing, and yet there are a lot of them out there. There are a lot more uses for them than just towing a glamper across the country.
Evening-Patience363@reddit
I think a big factor is capability as well. Just because you don’t own a tractor and platform trailer doesn’t mean you won’t own one in the future and want to tow it. I think that’s why a lot of people buy them and don’t actively use them that way.
Side question: how is the truck to work on yourself? I know they require much less maintenance than an ICE (basically just wheels and brakes right?), but curious how easy/difficult that maintenance is.
Firn_ification@reddit
Eih, just as likely to need a 3/4 ton for the future yet most still buy 1/2 tons.
To work on? Can't say I have done much since it's still new and under warranty. Lots of computers, which if you are into can be fun. The Ford architecture is easily modified so I have added a bunch of cool things. In the future j will be adding the radar module and activating adaptive cruise and active lane centering, although mostly for fun.
Downside, it's HEAVY. All my regular vehicle stuff is pretty marginal now, to be safe you should really have stuff rated for a Super Duty. 6000lb jack stands are fine when you are holding up a 4500 lb car, there is less "overage" when it's a 6800 lbs truck. Still in the rating but when crawling under it I want a fair bit of extra safety. And with 4 jack points ONLY i don't know how I'm going to go about doing tire rotations.
Upside, best damn car i have driven, and I've owned over 20. I miss the sound but DANG, nothing moves like this. It's insane. You have a full sized truck getting to 60 faster than a vette. It's always on the power, it's always in the right gear, and with the regenerative braking it's like an extension of your right foot. It's still a heavy truck and corners like it, but dang, everywhere else it just GOES
Evening-Patience363@reddit
Damn only 4 Jack points on a car that heavy would have me just bringing it to a mechanic at that point. Might be beneficial depending on where you live to do two sets (winter tires if you have snow) and that way you can still have them rotated every 6 months or so.
How well does it brake with that much weight? I’ve never actually driven an EV but have gotten carsick in the passenger of a few teslas with how fast they are. Almost scary how quiet it is since my previous experience of fast cars were from big ICEs (drive a stick shift challenger with the 6.4L hemi) that you can hear from a mile away.
Firn_ification@reddit
It has a full solid frame so I'm sure it's fine to jack up there too, but no rear diff so putting it on stands seems dicey.
It feels like it stops fine, feels like any other truck to be honest. Winter will be the true test.
I know what you mean about tesla, they run a pretty aggressive regeneration. Imo Ford tuned this perfectly and in normal mode it feels like any other truck, none of that on off feeling. You can crank up the automatic regen if you want but you don't have to. They did a nice job with the blended brakes too. Anytime you use the brake pedal it puts as much energy back into the battery it can, it won't even use the mechanical brakes until you try and stop quite firmly and then it blends the two perfectly. From what I see not all evs do it as well.
I miss the sound but the performance more than makes up for it, that's for sure. It's got big block pull but does it EVERYWHERE, it pulls near as hard at 60 as it does from a stop.
thewheelsgoround@reddit
I was absolutely floored at just how fucking FAST the F150 Lightning is! Like, well beyond what the chassis can handle. Awesome truck!
Mijam7@reddit
You drive more than 400 miles a day? Just fly.
RobertISaar@reddit
Other than "within 3k of equivalent gas", we're actually really close, if not there already. There are EVs with a 400 mile range and can charge to near full in 20 minutes simultaneously.
Lucid air, both rivians and the Tesla model S all have 400 minimum with some configurations(with the lucid at 516, it's a range monster).
Using the lucid air grand touring as an example, going from 20 to 80% takes 15 minutes if you have a power supply that will feed it. So, something like 309 miles in 15 minutes of charging. 20 minutes may net an optimistic 412 miles.
It also produces 819hp, but what do you compare it with in the world of ICE? To me, it prices like The German triplets of 7/A8/S class, but is sized like the class below of 5/A6/E? It costs more than the 7/A8 but less than the S. If the vehicle truly belongs with that group as a comparison, I don't know.
Furball1985@reddit
"Lucid air, both rivians and the Tesla model S all have 400 minimum with some configurations(with the lucid at 516, it's a range monster)."
As long as you have a 100k plus in your pocket!!!
DaveCootchie@reddit
Just wait a few years for the massive depreciation. Also you can lease Lucids for like $400 a month these days. Lol
RobertISaar@reddit
That wasn't part of the wishlist. :)
The tech is still new for mass market, we haven't truly hit the Model T moment for EVs yet. I think that was the intent behind Tesla's model 3, but it didn't quite make that splash.
the_last_carfighter@reddit
Best-selling car models worldwide 2023 | Statista
RobertISaar@reddit
Single most sold model, but it's a very crowded field. The model T allowed for Ford to grow from under 10% in 1908 to roughly 60% of the entire market in 1921 with a production record that has yet to be exceeded of a little over 2 million sold in 1923.
What Tesla accomplished with the Y is impressive, but their market share in the US is only 4.2% for their entire lineup for 2023. They haven't replicated the success of the model T, I don't know that it's possible either.
the_last_carfighter@reddit
The model T was a car for people that couldn't previously afford a new car, which of course was most people in those days. The world is now saturated with cars, in that context the Y's sales are impressive.
Agloe_Dreams@reddit
It’s honestly really close, at least on the Tesla superchargers. You can totally leave home at 100%, stop at a charger at 20% and be back to 80% in 15 minutes. The tax credit makes prices close, about the only limitation is that range tops out at 300 miles vs 400, but that’s a factor in the price.
The critical bit is charging at home, if you can do that, range and cost becomes a lot more complicated vs a gas car. You really only have to tink about road trips over 200 miles.
plump-lamp@reddit
You pretty much just described modern EVs like Tesla and Kia except they max around 350 miles. After tax credit can be as low as 32k.
Slimybutthamer@reddit
Nope. Love my obs Chevy and obs f250 too much
HVACLOCKER@reddit
In the city or around town driving, sure if the vehicle is cheap enough. Being in a 4 seasons climate I wouldn't plan any long drives in the winter.
Abraxas_1408@reddit
Eventually when the infrastructure is better built to support them. But I’m keeping my 4Runner because that thing is 4WD and will survive the apocalypse.
B_Williams_4010@reddit
Yeah, I have bowed to the inevitable: electric cars are the future. But that future won't come to pass until they become more affordable, with longer running time and shorter charging time. Another reason I have no interest in them at the current time is this: If my fossil-fuel vehicle starts to run low on that fuel, it will continue to run at full speed and power until the last drop burns. Whereas, when an electric vehicle loses charge, it will get slower and weaker and grind to a halt.
Patient_Beginning_84@reddit
Yes once the range is around 700 miles and the battery last 15+ years
Ok_Use56@reddit
Never!!! No country has a power grid capable of charging all those cars. And if your in a state where it gets extremely cold it takes way way way longer to charge it. Not to mention if you take it to 0% charge it then has to get towed. Most manufacturers only swap out the battery if there's a issue which is absolutely bs. They are all made up of cells which can be swapped out if bad. Not to mention the cost of replacing one of those batteries.
hazmatt24@reddit
My wife got an EV and I'm all in on them now. We do have a charger at home so that helps, just plug in at night and it's ready to go in the morning. Only adds about $56/ month to the electric bill. If we have to charge our and about its only 18 minutes 20% to 80%. It's so much nicer to drive than my ICE, especially in daily traffic. It's hella fun to stomp the accelerator. I still get excited to do it even after having it for 18 months.
DockterQuantum@reddit
Love mine, but track cars are always gas. I own a c8, tesla model 3 performance, model y, Acura rdx, G37 convertible, 21 Camry, 24 Honda pilot.
I almost always drive the m3p because I have 2 kids 99% of the time. Family wise EVs are great. For me. I'd like to trade my c8 for a Porche. But the lady already is eyeballing it to get rid of it. 😅 No kids, I'd daily the c8.
_Elbrus_@reddit
I currently have two daily drivers w the gonzo M156 6.2 L V8 . Crazy cars, lots of fun.
However. I see electric as inevitable. There are sone interesting pure electric and gas electric hybrid performance vehicles out there - instantly in the power band as far as hp and tq, quieter and the infrastructure and range are shaping up nicely.
I feel like folks are blacksmiths and ferriers looking at the Model T going “oh, that will never catch on…”
OldStromer@reddit
I'd love to have one! My daughter's farm car / commuter is a Bolt and they LOVE IT.
undercoverahole@reddit
I might be the oddball, but I want a retrofit to make my old truck an EV or hybrid. I've been following some of what Edison motors is doing and I'm excited. I have an 88 C1500 that I would love to drive on a regular basis. But an anemic 350 tbi motor that gets 14mpg on a good day, means that won't happen.
Being able to retrofit some EV axles, a battery pack, and some of the supporting components would allow me to enjoy the vehicle I want to drive. I also don't trust a lot of the newer vehicles and the extensive dependency on computers and sensors. I don't need a massive infotainment system. I'm happy with BT on my phone to a head unit. I don't need tons of sensors making it so I need a PhD to decipher trouble codes. I want to be able to work on my own stuff.
With a retrofit kit that's been properly scienced out, it alleviates all the hurdles to implementation. Then the biggest concern is the cost. Once it gets down to the point where it's equivalent to a used vehicle then I'm going to seriously consider selling my daily driver to make my truck a daily. We'll still have my wife's car for anything that requires actual range.
TL:DR Older cars and trucks are cooler IMO. Being able to make that an EV or hybrid in my own shop would be an amazing option. It's still a ways off though.
BrightonRocksQueen@reddit
Watch Classic Electric Cars on YouTube, some great conversions there from Beetles to regular commuters to Land Rover to Tesla Rossas
undercoverahole@reddit
I'll check that out, but the last time I looked into it there were still too many issues and the costs hadn't come down enough to make it feasible.
Handling power steering, hydraulic brakes, A/C, and a 12v electrical system all take specific answers. These things have all been scienced out by different people in different ways. I'm sure there's going to be a more user/swap friendly set of options that emerge after people start showing more interest in these types of conversions.
The other issue is the costs involved. To buy the necessary components to control it all, the cabling, the battery pack, and the motor(s) it's still just too expensive. You're talking new car territory. I have a functioning motor and the money I'd spend on a conversion would be better served in body/paint work.
I've seen where there were plans for an electric motor that could be swapped in place of a normal motor and run the built-in driveshaft. That seems like it would work but I think it would limit a few things in regen capabilities and parasitic losses. I've also seen electric axles where the motors are either in-line with the hubs or attached to the differential. Going that route would let you take a 2wd truck and make it AWD. That seems really interesting to me. I don't have a ton of use for that, but it still seems more appealing to me.
TonyCar323@reddit
Build a decently lightweight sports car at a reasonable price. Oh and with Honda's manual transmission they are making for evs. I'll try it.
Business_Coffee6110@reddit
Not unless winters disappear. Would love to otherwise.
EP3_Meat@reddit
Do any of us have an oil well at our houses? Oil refinery equipment so we can make a gallon of gas?
FFS, the whole infrastructure is wrong. I should be able to swap batteries, not be chained to a parking lot with a charger. This whole thing is lazy as it gets. This is at best a gimmick in it's 'current' state.
Nope.
ProgramWars@reddit
Late to the party but traded my manual 6 speed supercharged audi for an etron. Sometimes I'm sad but overall the etron is amazing and doesn't leak. No transmission or ice motor maintenance is nice. Electricity is far cheaper than gas.
Twistedcolossusfan@reddit
I'm not the most die-hard car guy, but I would get an electric car for daily driving, but I'll always own at least one ice car.
No1kissfan@reddit
Never!!!
Aromatic_Berry_3879@reddit
I had one. It’s a great commuter for around town. Didn’t like it for long drives and it wasn’t as enjoyable to me as an ICE vehicle. I may have another one one day if I have a purpose for a third vehicle.
Gullible_Toe9909@reddit
Of course. So much less maintenance.
mikeboucher904@reddit
I own 2 evs, along with multiple other cars. The honest truth is you pretty much have 2 have 2 cars. Your ev, then another one for times an ev just won't work. They each have their own place. I don't compare and ev to an ice, it's a different category to me. Similar to my motorcycle vs my truck, each have their own purpose
BrightonRocksQueen@reddit
I have an EV, and rent on the 2 days a year that the EV won't do the job. Far better and cheaper than owning 2 vehicles.
RedRatedRat@reddit
I do. The savings in gasoline money paid for half of the car.
Nervous_Newt_8650@reddit
For now no. I won't own a EV until EV's get solid state batteries that can charge from 0-100 in 12 mins and give me 500+ miles of range.
Basically I won't buy an EV until they become better than their gas counterparts.
I'm 30 so maybe that's another 20-30 years idk.
thewheelsgoround@reddit
IMHO they’re already better than the gas counterpart. They’re so, so much faster and quieter - and I leave home with a full “tank”, no need to stop on route for most trips.
Nervous_Newt_8650@reddit
Yeah but the biggest problems with EV's are still range anxiety and charging network fragmentation. I want a 500+ range EV.
BrightonRocksQueen@reddit
Range anxiety is not a thing, outside of oil company messaging. You never hear of EV drivers talking about range anxiety because, once we have worked out how they operate, it is never a worry.
bigb4334@reddit
I guess there were people like you back in the day that couldn’t get rid of their horse and buggy.
Nervous_Newt_8650@reddit
Lol
doctorhoctor@reddit
I had range anxiety for about 1 hour and 23 minutes when I drove my Model Y home and the dealer had only charged it to 40%. Went to the nearest Supercherger thinking it would be my worst nightmare. Plugged in at the SC. Watched some Netflix on the screen and I was at 80% in about 11 minutes. That was the only time I’ve felt range anxiety since I bought. Look at the Supercharger national map. 🗺️ Anxiety gone. And I charge at home and leave every day with a “full tank” of electrons
Milk_With_Cheerios@reddit
Lmao y’all still worrying about range? Come on now.
bfs102@reddit
Charging infrastructure is a lot better then it is made out to be
Also I guess it depends on the person but how much do you drive 500 miles in one sitting without stopping for food
thewheelsgoround@reddit
Depends where you live, perhaps. I have chargers absolutely everywhere, on any route I’d ever take - it’s an absolute non-issue at this point. Range anxiety was kinda a 2016 thing?
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Same
midnight_to_midnight@reddit
I own two currently, and have owned another before. I also still own an ICE car, but almost never drive it.
Sarionum@reddit
Absolutely. As long as I can still own an ICE car to enjoy, i would love a low maintenance EV that will hopefully have a usable self driving with much faster charging, and cheap insurance costs. It's the perfect appliance, and I'm sure everyone would benefit from an actually good EV. The tech is just not there.
Ghia149@reddit
Yes, want my next car to be electric. Hopefully very soon.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Choose it wisely and compare it to other ones on the market to get the best deal
ProfessionalScale747@reddit
The only thing holding me back is the range while towing. Once they get the batteries straight I am gonna be getting one… in 5-10 years cause new is crazy expencive
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Towing reduces the estimated milage so bad
ProfessionalScale747@reddit
Ikr it is annoying because the instant torque while towing would just be amazing. Not trying ti maintain rpm up a hill would be a dream
Biznitchelclamp@reddit
If Rivian gets off the ground fully and can bring a decently priced r3x to market in a few years id like yo have one.
XiViperI@reddit
Yes already did 3 years and 45k miles in a chevy bolt. Absolutely wonderful commuter cars but I'd never have them as my families only vehicle.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Yeah you should have another ICE vehicle as a reserve
91E_NG@reddit
No noise no sale
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
I liked that
Iron_Patton_24@reddit
If you improve the energy efficiency with nuclear energy instead of relying on the sun and wind turbines, sure.
LifeRound2@reddit
500 miles range with 20 minute charging and I'm in. That's assuming it's reasonably priced.
billdizzle@reddit
Yesterday, today, and tomorrow I plan on owning one
Also have a gas classic car as well
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
What model you think about.?
billdizzle@reddit
I have a 2023 MINI Cooper SE and a 1999 Rover Mini
Street_Glass8777@reddit
Already have 2 EV's. Son has 3 EV's. Next vehicle will be another EV. No question about that, as being an owner has solidified that choice.
The_Bubbanbrenda@reddit
Probably not
Ok_Programmer_2315@reddit
There's nothing wrong with the idea of swarm logic, until some asshole jumps a fuse with a paperclip.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Lol
Berfs1@reddit
Im planning on building an electric race car after 2030, but I personally would never daily drive an EV because I actually put hundreds of miles each night (at least for now).
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Yeah EVs aren't suitable for those who drive many miles daily
Inside-Control-3655@reddit
so I been a jeep guy all my life and im on my second Tesla right now, I drive a lot and save a TON of money in gas and driving in general is more relaxing. I dont pay to charge my car so I have free "gas" pretty much.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Best part of an EV is the free gas lol.
AviSanners@reddit
Once charging infrastructure meets or exceeds what ICE has now, sure, I’ll make electric my daily. EVs are more efficient and requires less maintenance.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Your rights with that point
RLBeau1964@reddit
Looks like responses went on a tangent some from the question.
In a nutshell, I would not own an EV today. I might consider a plug in hybrid, but not pure EV. But not sold Lithium ion batteries are there yet (for cars any).
I simply don’t buy the hype, think government pushing it is all wrong, and unless you have home charging in the green area power of US, we aren’t doing the world any favors with EV.
Lithium ion batteries aren’t completely researched as to the damage we are doing to mine and manufacturer these batteries. And when they burn,they are extremely toxic, very dangerous.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Seems to be the best answer for the question.
fredfarkle2@reddit
Would they NOT explode in my garage and burn everything down?
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
I can't guarantee that 😕 😂😂
ScooterMcdooter69@reddit
If I had the money I’d get rid of my Ram 1500 and get an f150 lightning or a rivian in a heartbeat
DillonviIIon@reddit
Plug in hybrid sure.
ImpotentAnus@reddit
The only way I'd do it I'd if it was a restomod to make an awesome little autocross car with a 90s civic or something similar
bigb4334@reddit
Yes, I’ve owned an EV for 5 years now. So much better to daily an EV than any ICE
drunkenup@reddit
I have a 3x/week commute with heavy city traffic, and the industry I'm in is trending towards RTO. No EV is replacing my track car or the F150 that tows it but I'm seriously adding an electric toaster for commuting tasks.
My truck is overkill for commuting, and it's been a magnet for bad drivers running into it.
The fuel savings won't completely offset insuring an additional car, but I would love if an appliance of an EV could absorb all the damage other drivers are doing to me. I've been hit 3x in the last 3 years by other drivers, while completely stopped in traffic/street parked. Breaks my heart every time and costs me hundreds/thousands each time to get fixed properly even though the other driver is liable, but if it's an appliance of an EV? I won't care if the paint is slightly off or if parts are aftermarket.
I'm interested in a used Mach E, because the insurance seems normally priced, and it has level 2 self driving that works quite well in my F150. It's the right tool for the task.
GMEStack@reddit
Most likely no, but never say never. The good lord usually humbles you and makes you eat those words.
naturefort@reddit
Only if the technology gets better. Right now, it's not worth it. Takes me 5 min to gas up vs. an hour or more for electric. Conventional is more reliable - build quality just isn't there on electric. I don't want a subscription for self driving. They suck in the winter. Battery life is like 10 years - imagine buying a car with an engine that's guaranteed to need to be replaced in 10 years - no thx. Cant get parts for them. Too much software and too many things to go wrong with it. My 25 year old toyota with a 4 cylinder has 300k miles on it and nothing wrong with it, still has cold ac even.
Bearchiwuawa@reddit
I would drive one, but not a tesla and I'm picky. Fuck Elon. I love manual cars. They can make manual EVs; I've seen it done before, and I would buy one. I also hate SUVs and trucks.
Astroloan@reddit
The only "manual" EVs I've seen have either been gimmicks (simulated shifting) or gimmicks (2 gears, one of which is almost never used)
I wouldn't hold your breath for one to reach to mass market.
Bearchiwuawa@reddit
yeah honestly i would only get an auto EV if i had to commute in the city, but if i had to do that i would just use public transportation. so for me it's unlikely, but i never know. still in school.
One-Entertainer-4650@reddit
One day maybe in 15-20 years when it can be charged in under 5 mins, solved the battery issues with longevity and fires, get rid of the stupid iPad at the center and give me back buttons to change the radio and A/C.
I had a rental polestar for about 30 days when my car got hit, great car to drive and fast. Took me 5 mins to figure out how to control the A/C on the center screen. Took 2.5 days to fully charge at my house using a regular plug, all the fast charges were broken or had a line of a few cars deep. I spent 4 hours one night driving from charger to charger trying to find a working fast charger, gave up used a level 2 at the mall. Parked it at 10pm came back at 1am and only to find I gained about 15% battery.
That night made me realize electric cars are just a novelty right now and not for mains year use. I promise I will Never again mess with an EV until I can charge in under 5 mins.
Also screw those tinted glass roofs, I kept getting sunburned on my head and literally had to put sunscreen on everyday. The genius who thought that was a good idea needs to be fired…right into the sun.
Rivale@reddit
I’ll be buying 2 new cars before the EV mandate and since I’ve been averaging 5K miles a year for the decade+ I’ve been driving, it should last me the rest of my life splitting the miles.
penguinpantera@reddit
Maybe a motorcycle if they can make one for rural areas that has battery longevity.
Crawlerado@reddit
Wouldn’t ya know it, we’ve actually got two. Cheap Leafs are the best.
JLee50@reddit
For the last 5 years, yes
msgnyc@reddit
Nope. I'll stick to my manual transmission cars. None of this upcoming "SIMULATED" Manual transmission bs. 🤢
Jyynxie@reddit
I'm quite interested in the Edison motors route. I've always liked a variety of engine types from configuration to fuel, aspiration, the whole 9. And I think were I able to diesel electric hybrid swap a gen 2 dakota for a decent price I'd jump for it. Torque, efficiency, diesel noises. Good stuff.
2GR-AURION@reddit
No. I'll be dead before that happens.
ArmsOfaTRex@reddit
No.
StonksOnlyGetCrunk@reddit
In 2018, when I sold my house, all I wanted to do was buy a hellcat, crank Hulk Hogan's theme music, and smoke my tires until they exploded.... but Dodge wanted to play a bunch of games.
I reluctantly went to test drive a Tesla model 3 performance, and they let me take the car home overnight. I spent the night smoking every car I saw, testing 0-100-0 multiple times, and fucking around with autopilot in all sorts of irresponsible ways. I was sold.
I'm not trying to save Earth, I live in America, I just want to go fast and see some titties.
thewheelsgoround@reddit
Same story here. It just has a massive “holy fucking shit this thing is fast” factor, handles really well, is just a fun car to drive. I love how you can kinda nail it off the line with no noise (and no negative attention…). The fact that it costs me like $7 to “fill” never gets old, either.
I wasn’t shopping for one, but it kinda sold itself.
thrwaway75132@reddit
I have the 2023 Model 3 RWD. The base model is still really quick and fun to drive. My lease is $360 after taxes with 15k a year.
thewheelsgoround@reddit
Base RWD Model 3s are still quick cars!
MourningWood1942@reddit
If you’re not first you’re last
lakorai@reddit
Elon's man boobs
newtonreddits@reddit
What do you think about the new EV Dodge Charger?
StonksOnlyGetCrunk@reddit
I don't know much about it, but it's kind of blasphemous.
It's like going to see Sam Kinison do a sign language show, fuck that, I want it to be unapologetically loud with so much torque that the frame twists and becomes unusable on the drive home.
Jackinthebox99932253@reddit
🤣 blasphemous. Great use of that word. It’s needs to be said more.
newtonreddits@reddit
I think it will have a lot of torque, but probably will be refined torque with fake engine noises.
The thing is, I own two V8s and I love them. But I drove a Tesla Plaid and was blown away. The torque is absurd so I can definitely see the appeal. I'm open to owning a big torque EV in the future with fake engine noises. It's like cosplay V8.
StonksOnlyGetCrunk@reddit
Ya, the plaid really is amazing, especially since it sets records on the Nurburgring. Even the launch forces in my M3P are ridiculous....
I can't get down with fake engine noises, though.
newtonreddits@reddit
That's exactly what it feels like. If you haven't tried a Plaid, try it. I thought a M3P was fast enough and then I tried the Plaid. Tripled the speed limit (120 in a 45) in the first hour and it made me realize I need to chill the fuck out real fast before I take out half the neighborhood.
gstringstrangler@reddit
Slams table
Welp I'm sold
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Let other people save earth not us
StonksOnlyGetCrunk@reddit
Don't forget the titties
Euphoric-Smoke-7609@reddit
When they become better than a engine yes
whyputausername@reddit
nope
Fine-Structure-1299@reddit
Yes because charging it at home here in California during off peak hours would cost 1/3 the price of gasoline.
I still prefer hybrids and we currently have a Prius Prime (Toyota quality could be better though).
smashmetestes@reddit
Maybe, I don’t foresee myself ever being wealthy enough for a brand new car to make financial sense, and used EVs aren’t exactly something I’d be interested in given all the annoyances they have compared to an ICE vehicle. (Rural area, I’m an EV certified master tech, don’t even waste your time arguing with me)
2npac@reddit
Yes...I've been waiting for an electric Toyota pickup
condepswiss@reddit
My current car is an 18 year old that drives like new but this will be my last combustion vehicle so I'm driving it as long as I can to allow EV technology to mature without creating demand for ICE cars
bangbangracer@reddit
Eventually that won't be a choice, and I'm likely in a generation that this will effect.
BlackwatetWitcher@reddit
Once the infrastructure is there and the power grids are better, also range. Once they have a good range I would absolutely go electric instead.
badger_breath@reddit
I'm not a true car guy, but yes I would. I like to tinker with electronics. And I'm sure there's a way to mod those things. Solar panels or something.
PeterVonwolfentazer@reddit
I’ve owned a ton of enthusiast cars and here I am driving a 580hp ford lightning now. It’s just too damn convenient. No plugs filters turbos clutches or sitting in line at Costco to buy “cheap” 93 octane. My next car will probably be a 3 series sized EV. Instant torque is addictive and all that’s missing is the cool vroom vroom sound.
WorkerAmbitious2072@reddit
Yeah
Just not as our only vehicle
Fun fact: Over half of ICE drivers wait for the fuel light before getting gas. So the avg ev range far exceeds the avg range of an avg gas vehicle at any given time
Mofoblitz1@reddit
Yes but not until i can get my own solar panels so I can charge it for free
kkicinski@reddit
That’s weird logic. Why didn’t you wait for your own oil well before buying a gas car?
RallyVincentCZ75@reddit
Yah if Alpine brings that cool hatchback to the US and if I can afford it by then.
STOaway4DayZ@reddit
The only way I would own an EV is if it was given to me and I didn't have to pay for it in any way (other than charging), or the gub'ment forces me to get one.
Final-Carpenter-1591@reddit
Yeah. One day, as a commuter. It will never replace the weekend rides though.
Legal-Environment-13@reddit
No never
i-like-foods@reddit
No EVs for me. I enjoy driving and a super heavy vehicle that sounds and feels sterile is antithetical to driving fun.
GrimSpirit42@reddit
If they solve their shortcomings and make it viable for what I need? Of course. I love the idea of a simpler car with fewer moving parts and with shitloads of torque.
But at the moment, it's not there. I don't have time to wait 45 minutes or more to refuel.
One problem that will become more apparent with time: Rednecks like to tinker. You get a fuel leak on a Hemi and you have a slight clean up, maybe a small fire. With a battery pack? Can you say 'crispy critters'?
Fuck-Reddit-2020@reddit
I would love to own an EV, but currently the advantage of lower cost of ownership than a new Toyota Camry really only appeals to people who buy new Toyota Camrys. I am not one of these people. EVs would have to become viable in the used car market before I would consider one. I'll probably drive ice cars for another 20 years before that happens.
doctorhoctor@reddit
Just picked up a 2021 Model Y with 72k on it for 23k before tax, tags and reg and I qualified for the EV rebate in Mass. I’ve had it for 4 months now. Best car I’ve ever driven and I work in the motorsports business. God it’s cheap to drive charging at night. I save money with every mile and it’s fun. I mean really fun. More fun than I expected and my expectations were high as giraffe pussy.
ITypeStupdThngsc84ju@reddit
I did a few years ago. Model Y LR Dual Motor with the older 74 kwh pack. Real world highway range is ~240. It is perfect for local travel and pretty good at long road trips.
The in-between stuff is the trickiest part. ~150-200 one ways miles for a day trip (ie, 300-400 round trip)? This is where you are most likely to see issue with charger placement right now, in my experience. It is also when the stops are harder to plan without impacting my schedule.
Another 100 miles of real highway range and I'd have almost zero difference in trip times with this compared to a gas car. The Model 3 LR RWD is already really close.
Tbh, most people don't realize just how close this is, or even how relatively mature the supercharger network is at this point. It isn't perfect, but it is pretty good in a lot of places.
TheReal_Saba@reddit
Yeah in like 15 years when I can get 500+ miles on a charge
brickhouseboxerdog@reddit
I own a 2017 corolla im 6spd that I hate.... the sad reality is it will take 20 years from now until I have 100k milea based on how I drive.... potentially I might not be able to get gas for this rotten thing in the future I loath this car but anything will do almost.
GeologistPositive@reddit
I'm not going to say never. I probably will one day, but I don't think it's in the next 10-20 years. My biggest grope against electric is the recharge time. It takes me a few minutes to refuel my ICE vehicle. Thats just not possible right now with electric cars.
Firn_ification@reddit
I already do.
Best driving vehicle i have had out of my 20+ different vehicles. Take the most precise, best throttle response, engine you have ever driven. Make it always in the perfect gear. And then make it twice as good as that. The downside, you lose the sound.
Granted, mine is a truck and handles like a truck, so there is that.
Having owned damn near every engine type, a lover of manuals, and someone who is very much into the joy of driving, this thing has been awesome. For my everyday driving it's better than my V8s, my stick shifts, all of them, and frankly with the performance is JUST as fun to drive.
I'll put a big cam ls toy in the garage sometime later for the joy of it, but I don't regret the EV at all.
Oh, and it is CHEAP to drive. About $100 for electricity and we drive it a lot. It is 3 mo old and has 7000 miles, granted 3k of that was some road trips.
Shark_bait561@reddit
Lightning?
Firn_ification@reddit
Yes
Shark_bait561@reddit
Same. Have you added anything to your Lightning yet?
I'm looking to eventually get an LED badge and do that glare free high beam thing.
Firn_ification@reddit
No physical mods but I have done the glare free lighting and it's AWESOME! Did a few more changes as well and trailer side view cams when you use the turn signal is great, too bad it only works when a trailer is connected. Aside from that I disabled some chimes and took the stupid "full view not available" off the camera view.
pusch85@reddit
It’s crazy how once you get past the regenerative nature of the throttle, the car literally does what your brain wants it to do. It takes away three separate inputs and places them into your throttle foot.
It’s so hard to explain that feeling to others who haven’t spent enough time with an EV.
You become one with the car. Granted, I haven’t driven many EVs, but I don’t remember driving a single ICE car that behaves and drives as well as my goofy-ass i3 does.
Plus, it costs me like $2 to drive 100mi.
I think a lot of car guys are just too stuck in their ways, and will stubbornly hold onto their notions. I’ve got plenty of friends who live and die by the idea that my car will need an expensive new battery any moment now.
Milk_With_Cheerios@reddit
Yea people is just too stuck on their old ways and would say anything bad about teslas just so they can feel good about their inefficient ICE car but is okay lol.
Phase4Motion@reddit
No desire.
SAD-MAX-CZ@reddit
Yes if i'm forced to, but i'll hack it to work as i want, also hack in a diesel generator for unlimited range. These thing are so software bloated and closed up i want to puke.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Charging time is getting reduced and until you buy it'd takes 15 min to full it and drive 500miles
SAD-MAX-CZ@reddit
15 min to full? even if remotely possible, the battery would be toasted before car payments finish. These are freaking expensive.
sparkey503@reddit
To many gas powered cars I want. I think EVs are going to come to a point in which there are tiers for powertrain. Only difference from manufacturer to manufacturer will be the body and interior. They are soulless.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
The driving experience is the point of hating EVs
gringo--star@reddit
Absolutely. The thing that hasn't really developed yet is aftermarket parts and independent shops for service. When that happens it will catch on big time.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
On its way to us
Middle_Accountant_74@reddit
I would buy an EV for a daily driver once prices come down but I think I'll always want some sort of ICE to tinker with. Despite the fear mongering, I don't think ICE vehicles will go away completely.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
True 👍
Clear_Jackfruit_2440@reddit
Sure. The industry runs on selling a series of half-baked solutions, so maintaining a vehicle and keeping it out of the landfill isn't a bad strategy. That said, we need to bulk up the grid AND address the loads on the grid by upgrading our houses HVAC etc. before we can fully convert. If you bankrupt yourself running after each new option that is somewhat better, you are also jettisoning lots of legacy tech. Good timing and a preference for less-disposable purchases, to me, is a general path forward. When my current cars are done, it will be some new more efficient option. What will battery tech be like at that point. No idea. What I dislike about the current care market is the height and size of vehicles. Batteries can ride low with the weight low. Add in the torque potential, and it's a great recipe for great driving cars. Instead, we have the bloated monster vehicles, each trying to sit a bit higher than last years. That trend needs to go away.
Legitimate_Lack_8350@reddit
I'd own one one day. But maybe the second day, I'd send it back.
Legitimate_Lack_8350@reddit
separately, BIl owns one plug in, one full EV. He drives the EV on a 100 mile round trip daily commute and loves it (model 3) and has had the car probably three years so far? It's got to be over 100k miles and he mentioned something about the battery having somewhere between 80 and 90% of its original range at this point.
The drive is almost entirely highway and the car charges overnight, which would probably be nice compared to stopping for gas more than once a week. His electricity in NEPA is also 12 cents a kw hr total, so what's that work out to? 4 cents a mile?
Plug in car has caused more problems.
I am the opposite - don't drive much, but usually trips, and my car is just a run of the mill toyota hybrid.
aPowderBlue@reddit
I wish I could buy a Hyundai Ioniq 5 N.
These hatchbacks have the power of top supercars (641 hp) but with the practicality of a hatchback.
They are just priced a little too high for me to get, understandably-so knowing what you get out of it.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
It has a special design on the road
No-Information3194@reddit
No, they don’t make sense currently. A plug in hybrid, maybe. Full electric doesn’t have the range required to be a full time/only vehicle. The environmental aspect is largely inflated. The plug in hybrid is attractive, as it’s electric for the short runs but gas back up for long drives, but I’m not sure the additional costs/complexities are worth it. They aren’t the answer as to the replacement of the ICE vehicle.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
💯💯
RDOG907@reddit
Yes I'd own one now but they are out of my price range.
Ideally I'd want a hybrid pickup. Missed opportunity in industry imo.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
They are some how pricey
Whitehoneybun@reddit
Hell naw give me something bad on gas with a manual tranny and im good
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
😂
ninjazxninja6r@reddit
Enviably, we will all eventually own an electric vehicle, unless your 50+ then you might get lucky
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
It depends on your age lol.
boblee1983@reddit
Probably not. Unless there are some major advancements in battery technology
v13ragnarok7@reddit
I thought "oneday" I will have no choice?
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
After 15 years I think
Alternative-Tea-8095@reddit
I would seriously consider an electric car. Assuming I was able to set up a home charger, had a spare ICE vehicle for long distance/cold weather travel. And since I tend to keep a car for a long time (my current car is 15 yrs old) the vehicle would need to have replaceable batteries and there would have to be an established aftermarket industry able to provide refurbished battery packs. Currently those last two items eliminate 90% of the current market of electric cars from serious consideration.
There is no way I would consider an electric car unless there is a viable path to updating / replacing the batteries.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
No connection 👍
fckafrdjohnson@reddit
Never as a daily, only for performance and weekend fun
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Not all have performance but torque yeah
MeepleMerson@reddit
I’ve been driving a BEV for the past 3 years. So the question would be would I get a gas car again? I hope not.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Next time lol
Shark_bait561@reddit
I already own an F-150 Lightning. It's nice
Academic_Ad_9326@reddit
The only way I'll buy an electric car is when you can charge it as fast as a fuel up and they have significant range. Even then, I won't buy one - I'll swap the battery and motors into an older car cause fuck new car styling.
And this is all dependent on gas becoming rare/insanely expensive.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
This needs some more time lol
wrd83@reddit
I'll probably be a late adopter.
I don't own a house so I'm very dependent on infrastructure advancements to make it feasible.
I suspect once taxation and policies around ice cars change adoption will grow and ice cars are better but unaffordable.
Til then I'll commute by train and trip around by car. Then I'll do groceries by car and everything else by train ...
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Thinking the good way
1one14@reddit
I love my old ICE trucks... I expect I will someday get an E truck, but everything made today, either EV or ICE, is hot, expensive garbage.
I hope Edison Motors comes up with a viable conversation kit because I think it is our only hope.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Let's hope for that
GloriousShroom@reddit
When they are cheaper then ICE car
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Surely, then you would consider it as a choice
StarIU@reddit
Have already and love it.
BMW M235i -> Audi RS3 -> Mercedes A250 -> Porsche Macan -> polestar 2 performance.
The polestar with the Ohlins is the best handling car under the BMW. but daily driving is so much better than the bimmer
My_friends_are_toys@reddit
Yes. I am not one of those nutjobs who are stuck in the past, you know the ones who still claim manual/stick is the best. I mean these are the same type of people who shook their fists at cars while sitting in a horse drawn carriage.
Fit-Mathematician-91@reddit
We have 2 cars. EV is great as a regional car, shorter trips, 100 mi or less a day, which is 95% of our driving. It’s GREAT for that. Peppy, quiet, low maintenance, reliable.
We have an older 2nd car which we use for the occasional long trip (+200mi).
Wife prefers driving EV.
Over time EVs will get better, but it will take time before they dominate.
ironeagle2006@reddit
Maybe my next car will more than likely be a hybrid.
Competitive_Form8894@reddit
Someday, yes. Anytime soon? Hopefully not. Slow charge overnight at home is fine. But I want to see faster charging on the go. Prices also need to come way down. Its great to show off what they can do but I need more options for cheap basic commuters.
White_eagle32rep@reddit
Yeah, once the infrastructure is there and repair costs get more reasonable. Would like to see more or a track record of better depreciation and reliability.
curi0us_carniv0re@reddit
Yes. I have no issues with electric cars.
I've actually been contemplating getting one for commuting to work. As charging it at home would be cheaper than filling my tank every week..
I also have a couple of "performance" cars that I would not get rid of. They're only driven on weekends or special occasions. The EV would strictly be a tool used for getting to and from work not as a replacement.
Lemnology@reddit
I’m broke
ButtholeSurfur@reddit
Of course especially if automated driving comes along. Put Chicago in my GPS and go to sleep and wake up when I arrive there? Sign me up.
Swimming-Accident-75@reddit
Yes.
Chronixx780@reddit
Hybrid is the way to go
DaveCootchie@reddit
I've thought about one as a mindless commuter. Something that requires little maintenance and attention also doesn't need to be filled with gas regularly. I only drive 20-30 miles a day total so I could easily keep it topped off on a 110V charger.
If I need to go far in a single day we always take my wife's SUV anyway. So it doesn't matter what I drive to work.
That will save time, energy, and money for projects that will make them feel more special when I drive them.
NYC_DILF@reddit
I would love to have a fully electric car but I live in Manhattan and either street park or rely on commercial parking garages and the infrastructure for charging is just not widespread enough in my market.
CarCounsel@reddit
We own one today. Will not be buying more ICE, but will hold on to the ones we have.
Fritzipooch@reddit
Am retired and drive approximately 100 miles a week. Have a nice garage to charge it up using a similar 110V plug. Absolutely I would consider buying one.
StevieRay8string69@reddit
Not from Tesla, Musk is a Moron.
Juanzilla17@reddit
Absolutely. There are two on my list that I want. One simply for the looks and I really like the interior layout, the Vinfast VF7. I haven’t driven one yet but I like what I have seen so far.
Another one that hasn’t been released yet, the Rivian R3X. They look super cool and Rivian is proven so far with the the R1.
Obvious_Scratch9781@reddit
I’ll drive an EV when it’s my daily driver and makes sense or if I ever get to the place financially where I have a second place and keep the EV there so I don’t have to worry about the gas going bad in a car I dont run
ipogorelov98@reddit
For just one day I don't mind it that much.
But if it takes more than one day I would definitely take a plug-in hybrid.
MaximumDerpification@reddit
Yea I would- the current battery tech is just not there yet for me. Once solid state batteries are in their 2nd generation I'll probably make the leap (they're not even on the market yet though so it will be a while)
FlyingThunderGodLv1@reddit
Yes but only if I owned a house.
Electric cars without a house make 0 sense
DueRecommendation472@reddit
Negative
H0SS_AGAINST@reddit
Yes but.
I'll probably never not own an ICE whether that be classic nostalgia, rowing a MT, or for long distance practicality.
I am looking at the EV market for my wife's next car. I've got an open 240 circuit for a hot tub the previous owners had and a mere 100-150mi range would cover 90% of the miles either of us drive including visiting intrastate family. Nothing pairs price with utility right now. We would still want space for 2 kids, a dog, and a couple weekend bags of cargo.
Poggers4Hoggers@reddit
Yeah, but most of them are ugly and bug, and all of them are heavy right now. Curious to see how heavy the Rivian R3 will weigh in, because it looks damn fine and is only a little bit longer than my Golf. It will probably be too heavy, my golf weighs a bowling ball over 3000 lbs, and I know I’ll miss that if I get a 3500 to 4000 lb car.
bomber991@reddit
Been electric for 5 years already. The harsh reality is that it’s completely impractical if you can’t reliably charge at home. So it’s really just limited to those of us that have our own driveway to park in.
skiitifyoucan@reddit
I sold my project car and haven’t looked back. I don’t have time to tinker with cars anymore so the less work to do the better. A lot of it really does come down to time. Time and time. But I also wasted a lot of money on my car hobby too.
CarelessVolume6159@reddit
I’d like to build an electric track car for the maintenance aspect alone.
Raven_1975@reddit
Yes
Fabulous-Finding-647@reddit
No.
s4ltydog@reddit
Yes. I have always said as soon as they can get everything functioning the same as an ICE car I will absolutely consider one, BUT it has to have the same capabilities- 3-400 mile range, same power and torque numbers AND ACTUAL fast charging capabilities. I’m fortunate to live in western WA where we have good infrastructure for it, so yeah I absolutely would once we actually get to that point. Here’s the deal I LOVE how good ICE engines sound (I have a particular affinity for the Subie Rumble) but I will happily give that up for literal instant acceleration and next to no maintenance.
hdhddf@reddit
sure when they're not the stupid designs they currently are. it's perplexing why we're so stupid
sanagnos@reddit
As soon as they are reliable and easy to service. Personally I’d probably go for a plug in hybrid. I can’t imagine driving an EV in a hurricane or fire evacuation. Probably impossible to charge.
omega-rebirth@reddit
I have yet to live in a location where it would be possible for me to charge while at home, so I don't know. Maybe one day if I'm rich enough to afford a house with a garage.
Vierings@reddit
I loved my ev Mini while I had it. It was one of two cars I have had that I didn't want to sell after 8 months. I can't think of anything I like more about ICE cars than electric, other than looks.
Herpty_Derp95@reddit
No.
PassmoreR77@reddit
Yes absolutely. Its more of a question with cost though.
General population can't really afford an ev. And used ev market is going to be wild 5 years from now when they're trying to sell them 3rd hand. I question if the cost of maintenance on replacing batteries and motors will be feasible.
For those who can afford 40k+ its more palatable but many of us can hardly purchase 25k.
imothers@reddit
Some new EV leases are just stupid-cheap though... take the savings and set them aside for whatever you need/want to do at the end of the lease.
xKINGxRCCx@reddit
I had a model 3 performance model S Plaid and now a Rivian R1T. Loved them all and especially my Truck now. In the past ive had Hellcats, ZL1’s, BMW M4’s and so on… so dont come for me lol. I just love cars in general. Both gas and electric. The solar on my house pays for me to drive my Rivian though so thats awesome
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
At that point your right. Each has his own taste in cars .
badmofoes@reddit
Never, I want to hear my engine. Nothing much to modify as well. It does not have gears so I am not involved when driving (same goes with CVTs).
Also, I have driven an EV and I hate the low range, charging time (if it is more than putting gas), battery weight, handling/steering is not the best, regen makes me sick but I do like the one paddle drive, high frequency/pitch/humming sound that hurts my ears and annoyed the fuck out of me - either driving or charging, and too many technologies/assists. Also, fire hazard saftey concerns.
I drove almost 10k miles in the last 3-4 months. I am seriously considering a hybrid, but I really don't like eCVTs or CVTs and the electric motor sound. Would rather spend money on gas than maintenance plus my car will be in the shop.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
CVTs are horrible
Toe-Ok@reddit
Near future? Absolutely not with the lack of quality control and due to how many look horrendous/are over priced. Eventually sure, the new elantra concept car from hyundai looks beautiful and if they keep going for the cyberpunk-esq aesthtic they'll get me in their grips one day lol
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
That's true
Willoughby3@reddit
No never
Disturbed_Bard@reddit
Probably as a daily
But no way am I giving up my V8s on the weekend
Illustrious-Jury-845@reddit
I really don't really care what makes the car go. I will drive what's reliable, practical, and cheaper. I'm not in favor of mandates. When electric cars are the better choice overall, I will own and buy one .
I've had to rebuild industrial reciprocating ice engines and also large industrial electric motors. The electric motors are far simpler. It comes down to the cost, reliability, and capacity of batteries I think. Battery tech is improving all the time.
SoCalBull4000@reddit
I have one for a rental for over a month they are fun but it’s a hassle to charge them , it’s a none Tesla so I have to use other charging stations like charge point they cool sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t and electrify America take 50$ out of your debit if you not using app that takes $10 bucks prepay . I only get about 240 miles that is not enough and I have to wait 45-1 hour to charge this shit . So my opinion is not good car u less you have a level 2 charging at home and the ev is your second car not your main .
Tasty-Fisherman-8080@reddit
If I could afford it.. hell ya!
wewithoutfuture@reddit
If all the electronics become easily end user serviceable then I might own one.
DavidSpy@reddit
Yes for daily commuting; the battery technology is already here - it’s just waiting for scale to bring costs down. As someone who owns 20+ year old ice vehicles - the EV maintenance looks like a breeze in comparison. Seeing people work on EVs on YouTube had a lot to do with charging my opinion on their viability in addition to seeing long term maintenance costs from teslas
blueorangan@reddit
Absolutely
411592@reddit
Not unless you can get thousands of miles out of a charge
r2d3x9@reddit
I’d love to own an EV. But they are expensive, the batteries wear out too fast and are expensive, or the warranty isn’t long enough. The other big problem, if I bought an EV, even though my miles driven stay the same I end up doubling the cost of auto insurance as the cost of insuring 2 cars is double the cost of 1 car!!!
SuperProM151@reddit
NO
_4444_4444_@reddit
if it's free yes
thebraxton@reddit
Probably, I owned a Model 3 but after crashing it I got a GTI with a manual and it reminded me how much I love a manual transmission.
The most likely reason to cause my view to change would be long term high gas prices
Thumper45@reddit
One day I think I would but as they sit now, no. Perhaps when solid state batteries become a common thing I would consider it. Right now, the driving I do, results in nearly a 50% reduction of range as highway speeds cause a lot of drag and kill the ranges. With solid state batteries and quick charging it would eliminate that problem for me.
KillaKanibus@reddit
I'm planning on getting an EV coupe whenever they make a reasonably priced one.
Nervous_Tumbleweed41@reddit
Never, you will have to delete me from this planet to stop me from driving my viper, my raptor and my little Mazda over a electric car, my problem isn’t with EV’s its with the fact that we as developed nation have to cut down our emissions they are slowly trying to shove EV’s down our throat, meanwhile developing countries and 3rd world countries can continue to pump out millions of emissions, I only get to live once I am going to enjoy it and it certainly won’t be by driving a boring silent microwave on the road.
Mash_man710@reddit
Second car, absolutely. Main drive? Not until they make a BRZ/Miata sized RWD coupe with decent handling. Then, hell yes.
MaleficentDriver2769@reddit
No but a hybrid I would definitely get in the near future.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Enjoy the gas ones now
MaleficentDriver2769@reddit
I do. I love cars. My dad was a mechanic. EV’s seem nice but I hate the idea of driving and not being near a charging station. Gas stations are everywhere.
SaltLakeCitySlicker@reddit
Phev might be up your alley if they get a handle on price and you have a spot to charge it. Generally they get somewhere in the low 30s to low 40s miles on all electric (for like work or grocery runs or w/e) and switch to gas where they have 400-500mi/tank. You can just run on gas all the time or electric if you only need that 30-40miles (not adding loss for ac/heat).
Like I said, the problem is cost bc they basically have full time gas and ev motors that are capable of highway speeds, not just gas with a tiny ev assist motor.
Even if they were price parity, I guess it'd depend on how you drive. 30 miles one way to work and there goes your juice unless work lets you charge.
MaleficentDriver2769@reddit
Thank you helping me understand Phev. Based on what I read in your comment, I can run gas and not use the battery. Is the battery just used to start the vehicle? Thanks for the information.
SaltLakeCitySlicker@reddit
No, you're describing isn't even a hybrid. I'll go a little more in the weeds.
So first, all cars even evs use 12 volt batteries. Evs only use them to run a accessories. Phev, hybrid, and ice all use it for the same things I've used it. Start the gas motor and run accessories not run off a belt.
Hybrids use a gas motor and a tiny electric motor and tiny ev battery that's a separate thing from the 12v. The electric motor can be used to keep the car rolling with less effort than just gas when moving. Or start it rolling from a stop, after which the 12v kicks the gas motor on. Or actually give the car a hp boost by running both the gas and ev motor.
Phevs have electric motors capable of highway speed like the ice motor when using the EV battery. The EV batteries are larger than a hybrid, but not as large as an EV only car. If you run out of EV juice, the 12v kicks the ice motor on. I don't know if the EV battery can steal juice back from things like brake regeneration like a hybrid does.
Lorax91@reddit
Yes, PHEVs recapture braking energy like other hybrids, and can capture more energy because they have larger batteries. On long trips, my PHEV recaptures a kWh every 20 miles or so.
SaltLakeCitySlicker@reddit
Now my dude knows the ins and outs for how the batteries work.
I'm not going to get anything for years (basically when my car needs that one part that costs half as much as the cars value, and it only has 64k, so... Yeah a while)
jc1luv@reddit
Never. At least not until we can get full charge as fast as we fill up a tank of gas, all charging/batteries become universal standards for any electric car. This proprietary none sense is holding us all back, not just in automotive but in other sectors as well. Plus Gas is just too convenient and universal.
zylpher@reddit
I'm seriously considering the Charger EV if it makes to a 2nd gen. Don't want to be a beta tester. Think it would make a good companion to my Challenger. Like the way it looks. Kinda like the gimmicky sound thing they have showcased in the past. And it's Dodge, you just know they are gonna make a version that just stupid when it comes to power.
EV is the future. Might as well jump on the train when it comes through instead of chasing it down the tail.
I also like the Rivian Trucks, the Model X and and Model S. Saw my first Lucid the other day. It kinda reminds me of a pancake with how flat it looks.
Flying0strich@reddit
Yeah, I've been riding an e-bike to commute and it's been fun. My gas tank in my car lasted from sometime in July to October 11th. That was neat, and it only cost me 19¢ a day to ride the 16 miles round trip. Gas at some $3.40/gallon would cost me $2 a day.
kactapuss@reddit
I’d own one today if i had a garage to charge it in. Although i will always own a ice one too. I drive a fair bit in the city, spend half my gas just idling away at red lights…
RobzWhore@reddit
I'm not opposed to a prius or hybrid. full electric. maybe. the rivian looks cool. I already have a dedicated spare 240volt outlet in the garage for one. I do love my 99 tj wrangler 4x4 and my 2005 dbl cab v8 tundra
SayNoToFatties@reddit
If I lived in a city probably yeah. I'm out in the country though and aside from plugged in at your house the supercharge stations are far and wide. It gets stupid cold here in winter and I'm sure it's detrimental to battery range and life.
My subcompact car gets 42mpg so I'm not really incentivized to go electric. Only costs me $20 to fill my car and that gets me an easy 400 miles of driving.
crazymike79@reddit
Heck yeah! I want ultra quiet instant torque.
Extension-Nail-1038@reddit
If I had a house with solar that I could charge it with I think I would. Rarely do I need to drive more than 100 miles a day so I think it would def work for me with that respect. Currently living in an apartment I would have no way to charge at home. And even if I could idk how I'd feel about charging the car with natural gas / coal.
bfs102@reddit
It is actually better in every way to charge a car with power plants and generators
Ice engines are more efficient at specific constant rpms so power plants or generators that uses this method produce more power for less (this also includes gas/diesel electric vehicles)
Power plants are cleaner as they don't have to sacrifice space for things to clean fumes
ForThePantz@reddit
Most of my driving is commute and local errands. An EV that’s way faster with more torque than ICE that’s cheaper to maintain and run? Hell yes. With EV ranges increasing and battery costs dropping I think I’ll probably own at least one EV soon. If you can only own one car? No, not yet.
hiroism4ever@reddit
Yes, they have their own unique benefits and drawbacks just like anything else. Are they perfect? No. But then again, neither is a V8 manual Corvette or a lifted Taco TRD Pro or anything else. And those are all good too.
bfs102@reddit
There's a few things I'm waiting on Notably standardized charging either way though my next vehicle will probably either be a plug in hybrid or a full ev
pleasereset@reddit
I am already on my second one. I don’t really see why we need to assume “car guys” are against EVs, those are different experiences and both have pros and cons.
I will probably never let go of my GT4 and still drive the doors off that thing: track time, auto cross, weekend joyrides…
But I also love my EV - it’s an amazing, comfy, capable daily driver. I don’t need to be burning gas for super boring bumper to bumper drives on the interstate. I never have to go fill gas. I appreciate the silence and the massive torque when tired of my workday.
And when I want an engaging drive, feel and hear the vibrations and have something light to toss around my ICE is still there ready to go. But that’s like 10% of my driving tops.
BringBackBCD@reddit
I used to be anti EV, because I’m not an early adopter type and greenies are often annoying, and often wrong.
But they are quiet and I hit an age where I started caring about that, they allow special lane use in my state, the government gives $9k of our money back for them, and I got a solar system.
Sirlacker@reddit
They make sense if you just want something to get you from A to B.
But if you want something to enjoy the drive then no, they suck dick. You need to vibration, you need the engine noise, you need the gear shifting.
So for running my kids around and picking up groceries and stuff yeah I'd take an electric vehicle if I had no other choice. For my personal enjoyment, I'll stick with an ICE engine motorcycle.
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smokingcrater@reddit
I thought that also, but you really don't need it. I've had some monster modified subaru's, and my tesla m3p still puts a smile on my face every time I drive it.
KiraDog0828@reddit
Yes, probably, but I’d like to see fuel cell vehicle technology being developed.
HaterSlayerr@reddit
Definitely, I like luxury cars and EVs are the perfect platform for that. They're quiet, fast, and refined. Weight and range aren't as big of an issue. If I was in the position to afford one I'd have an EQS with the hyper screen.
Infinite-Pizza-8974@reddit
Being serious, no
shadowtrickster71@reddit
perhaps if the infrastructure and power grid gets upgraded and long term battery reliability, range and safety are improved to beat levels of current modern gas powered vehicles. Also cost of EV need to become affordable.
lonerwolf85@reddit
I would. I think my next car will either be an EV or PHEV. I'll I have see if I can rig up an adapter to charge it off the 480v 3 phase outlets we plug the welders into at work.
Colonelkok@reddit
Absolutely. However id need an ICE as well. Both have unique traits that cannot be found in the other.
The mechanical feedback of an ICE is unmatched to an electric vehicle, however the speed of electric is unmatched to ICE
HDJim_61@reddit
I have a old electric golf kart we use at my shop lol
Fearless-Temporary29@reddit
The absolute irony of the energy transition, is that it is worsening climate change Through increased resource extraction and a reduction in atmospheric sulfides.
dagsen2014@reddit
I would consider myself a diehard gasoline/diesel guy I’ve had a little of everything. Slammed s10’s, off-road jeeps, lifted diesels, awd 4bangers and some old school muscle trucks and cars, road bikes, sand bikes, snowmobiles.. most recently though an electric car. Yes I’ll always have my gas/diesel stuff, I love them too much not to. But electric is still on tires so I’m a fan. The fact that I spend roughly $50 a month on charge ($633 from Nov.2023 to Oct.2024) and put 16k per year on the car the last 3 years. Is enough for me to justify loving it for a commuter car. Plus destroying focus RS, Subaru STI, a corvette or two and most other average cars on the road is a plus haha. No it isn’t even close to the same enjoyment I get out of my ICE vehicles but it is fun and serves its purpose well. And it is fun convincing a never electric guy to go for a ride and watching them smile and laugh like a child when their head bounces off the headrest on launch 😂
MourningWood1942@reddit
Nope, going to scoop up all the cheap older gas cars as people switch to electric.
It’s not just electric cars though, I don’t like newer cars in general. My 93 is a dream to work on, I can’t even imagine doing my own work on an electric.
Brookeofficial221@reddit
I have three friends with electric vehicles. In five years I’ve ridden in them exactly once. We always take my Tacoma because:
It’s not fully charged. There’s probably not a charging station where we are going We are in a hurry and it will take time to charge it on the way. They are going somewhere that evening and they need it to be fully charged. We have to move something large or dirty so it goes in the Tacoma bed.
They occasionally even ask to borrow my truck. Mind you these are the same people that scoff at gas vehicles, especially large ones.
ComprehensiveWar6577@reddit
I like my ICE vehicles, I like doing my own repairs/modifications.
I don't ever see myself owning an electric vehicle, but the plug in hybrid options might be a possibility in the far future.
I hate the idea of relying on electronics 100%, and I take 6-10 trips a years over 5 hours each way, relying on charging stops sucks. My parents own a tesla model 3 as a second vehicle, and have driven it twice on a trip of that length. First time added 1h15m and the second time was around 2 hours extra because we had to wait 40 minutes for annother tesla to finish charging.
The ability to plug in a hybrid, get the benefit of 100% electric for short in town trips constantly, mixed with not having to worry about forgetting to plug it in, or longer distances
gbeezy007@reddit
My last like 250k miles have been in a 6 speed and I just got a slightly used 2023 6 speed car. So I'm pretty ice heavy bias. But the price of a used EV is very tempting at time especially for a commute vehicle. I figured though this will be one of the last newish manuals so went for it over EV or auto ICE
DepressedDragonBorn@reddit
Yes, I'm just waiting for them to get better
M1RR0R@reddit
If I can get one with an am/fm/cassette instead of a screen and won't sell my data. Until then hell no.
Gold_Map_236@reddit
I live in an ultra cold climate, and would be at 50% range several times of the year. Besides that issue: every time I do the math on the cost of an EV vs. a similar ICE car… it takes +100,000 miles on the EV to break even on the extra up front cost.
That doesn’t even factor in the higher cost of taxes, insurance, tires, and my states extra tax if EVs to pay for roads.
EVs have a long ways to go in both battery tech, longevity, and cold weather chemistry before I can consider one.
dartully@reddit
We will all have to own one one day
NO_SPACE_B4_COMMA@reddit
When they can be charged fully in five minutes and get 600 plus mileage, absolutely.
Bobbybelliv@reddit
If battery replacement was fair
walkawaysux@reddit
I think they would sell a lot more electric cars if they just did one thing make it sound like George Jetsons car when you drive it. Cmon we all grew up watching it the sound of tomorrow is missing. Make it cool !
Nippon-Gakki@reddit
I’m surprised you can set whatever sound you want it to make as long as it’s something people will notice.
walkawaysux@reddit
Then they should advertise that because a silent car is interesting but it gets boring
unreMarkable_0ne@reddit
Shit, take my money!
walkawaysux@reddit
Thanks for the support
FutureHendrixBetter@reddit
Never
D4ydream3r@reddit
Absolutely. Have my eye on a Hyundai Ioniq 5N. But car is too small for my everyday needs.
juicysweatsuitz@reddit
Yeah maybe if they sort out the environment aspect. Range and infrastructure still aren’t there for people with long commutes or that drive tons like myself. Ethical mining of the components and minerals that go into the batteries and a way to recycle them is also a big deal to me personally. I’ll stick with gas cars until those things are worked out or until I can’t drive a gas car.
mrredbailey1@reddit
Yes. The more people cried about them, the more research I did. They really started appealing to me. I love my classics, and an ev would really round out my driving experiences.
G_W_Atlas@reddit
Like it will be a choice. In the late 60s everyone's grandma was driving a 400hp muscle cars that cost nothing. Unfortunately, overpopulation dominated in the car, pollution, population wars.
Adm_Ozzel@reddit
I live 40 miles from the nearest level 3 charger. It'll take a bit. I don't mind the thought of a plug in hybrid, if only it weren't the damned price of 1 3/4 cars...
AbleRiot@reddit
Yes - if charging a battery for a 300+ mile range takes less than 5 minutes. Until then, I’d wait. I feel like having roadways that can charge your vehicle while you drive over them works be great, sort of like what Formula E racing does.
No-Session5955@reddit
I own one already, love it, it’s saved me a lot of money. All the money I saved goes into my 70 camaro and 66 thunderbird.
1sixxpac@reddit
Sure I would own one if it fit my needs.
Curious_Bumblebee511@reddit
i had a chevy volt for many years. loved that little car! could charge at work, obviously charged at home. the 9 gallon gas tank would last me 3 months or more. eventually sold it because i needed a bigger vehicle.
sk_latigre@reddit
I have a couple EVs I would love to get. The Audi etron SUV, Rivian R1T, R3X, Porsche Taycan. But I definitely would be keeping all of my ice cars. I'd use the EV for city driving and ice cars for long distance.
Swiggitty-@reddit
Yes but only as in town commuter car. I'd still have an ICE car for winter/longer trips
chocochunx@reddit
Only when I have no choice.
Silly_Swan_Swallower@reddit
No... I hate EVs.
Potential_Stomach_10@reddit
Give me 400+ range and chargers as ubiquitous as gas stations and I'm in
Sdwerd@reddit
I want to get an Aptera as soon as I can. I live in Texas. Even if it only got half the range from the solar panels as they say it does, I could literally drive to work and back indefinitely without ever charging it. If it actually got near the 40 miles a day from solar? I would never ever have to plug in outside of trips out of town, and then only if we went over a couple hundred miles away and back.
noldshit@reddit
I want one. I dont feel the tech is fully matured yet though. Uncle Sam needs to step in and mandate like 3-4 battery pack styles and require they be swappable as easily as getting an oil change.
bmad4u@reddit
Yes, and that day was a few years ago. Gas cars get love on the weekends.
hankbobstl@reddit
Am a car guy and a tech guy. Absolutely yes. Perfect for daily driver duty.
Will also probably have a gas car for the fun stuff
Former-Discount4279@reddit
As someone who owned an rs6 previously I can say electric can be very fun. My model x plaid is laughingly fast and my model 3 perf can do mildly twisty roads fine.
Past-Apartment-8455@reddit
Nope. I own a 2021 MX-5 and don't see an EV example anytime soon for the same cost and weight.
thewheelsgoround@reddit
The MX-5 is kind of a specialty car though. Lightweight, buzzy, intentionally manual and fun as hell.
I have a Model 3 and an S2000 and very much am keeping both!
Tdn87@reddit
Strong maybe. The charging system needs to be better and the distance to drive needs to get longer. But, I think at some point I'll at least inquire more about 1.
Til then, ice all day.
Firn_ification@reddit
Pick an EV that interests you and plan some routes in "A Better Route Planner", i think you will be surprised that the infrastructure isn't as bad as it's made out to be. Yes, it can certainly get better, right now you have to do some planning, but its pretty good and getting better.
thewheelsgoround@reddit
I did exactly this. I had to stop for the same ~20 minutes that I normally stop for, on the same route. The only difference was I now plug in the car and then go get the coffee, rather than going straight for the coffee.
little_nipas@reddit
I own my 2022 model 3 long range. Best car I have ever bought.
Funny_Car9256@reddit
No.
Embarrassed_Ship1519@reddit
We have a Tesla Model S, one of the EV’s with the oldest designs. It’s a solid way of getting around. The newer Teslas have design decisions made by a wack job. The Model S, the Nissan Leaf, and the Chevy Bolt are the best EV’s.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
The simple design and no buttons are not by cup of tea 😒
thewheelsgoround@reddit
You get really used to the position of the buttons for the things you do use, but most things are set-and-forget. Seat heaters are automatic for instance. The voice control is excellent.
NewBMWdriver@reddit
The Nissan Leaf is a decade old technology with an outdated charging port
lakorai@reddit
r/realtesla
Mintsopoulos@reddit
Yes, particularly the Rivian R3 (giving me integrale vibes) but it will certainly not replace my ICE vehicles. It would be in addition to them.
AnthrallicA@reddit
I would love a reliable EV conversion for my current car. Cost aside, electric isn't going to last as alternate/renewable fuels will ultimately keep ICEs alive for a long time.
jckipps@reddit
I don't intend to buy one, but that's more because of my reluctance of owning any very modern vehicle that I don't have full control of.
I have no problem with an EV-converted classic however, and hope to do that in the near future.
chillaxtion@reddit
We currently own our last gas vehicles.
kamikaziboarder@reddit
I never thought I would. Well…I got one. I can’t believe that I love it. It’s quiet, smooth, and holy massive amounts of torque at any speeds at any time. I have worked on cars as a home wrencher for 30 years. I have a love for motorcycles. When I saw the next maintenance schedule was 16,000 miles for my daily driver and the check list was. Check coolant level, check tire wear, check brake fluid. It’s nice to work on a vehicle that you want to work on. And not your daily driver anymore.
thewheelsgoround@reddit
Yes. I own an ‘01 S2000 and a ‘18 Model 3. The 3 is on my list of best-ever purchases. Silent, fast as shit, phenomenal handling and steering feel, costs me $7 to “fill”. It’s really hard to beat.
The S2000 is just as fun as it’s ever been, but the Model 3 is so much faster and… better?… at being an enjoyable overall car that it’s kind of ridiculous.
wicked_symposium@reddit
So long as ICE is a viable option no not really. I think electric/hybrid sports cars are interesting but that's about it
Common_Scale5448@reddit
I'm passing on full EV and waiting for hydrogen. EV will be a dead branch on the tree of cars like steam.
AdvantageVarnsen1701@reddit
I’m on my second Tesla and I love them. I haven’t been to a gas station in several years aside from buying pre-hike water bottles/snacks. But…
I live in an apartment in an overpriced area so I don’t have room for a second vehicle right now. When I move I plan to get a classic car of some sort as well as an OBS Chevy to fix up.
Having both an EV and some ICE toys is the sweet spot imo.
Far_Effect_3881@reddit
Already do. I absolutely love my Q8 etron. It's so quiet, well isolated, comfortable and it handles pretty damn well for how much it weighs. I also have a manual transmission GR86, which I enjoy, but I'm definitely taking my etron for daily driving and road trips.
Steroid_Cyborg@reddit
If it isn't an iPhone on wheels like tesla, yes. That means I should have full control over everything on the car. There shouldn't be any software locks, drm, or the kind of stuff apple pulls for the sake of their walled garden.
ZoraDomainTaken@reddit
If you give me enough money to afford a Rivian, I'll do it right now
Tuques@reddit
Yes. For a daily. But I will always have a built v8 rwd rocket to play with in the nice weather.
Wetschera@reddit
The only reason EVs aren’t just flying off the lots is that dealerships want to continue to provide service. They will lose that business so they don’t want to sell them.
ICE vehicles are only good for when you can’t get to a charger. Hybrids will eventually take over and people will overland or climb rocks with them. Once hybrids have been simplified even more, ICE engines will become smaller and smaller. I’d be surprised if two cylinder engines weren’t the main type being installed very soon. Hybrids just need a generator and even a two cylinder engine would be overkill.
ICE vehicles as they are now will become undesirable except for the tinkerer or collector. No one wants that maintenance headache and unreliability, regardless of the comments about cold dead hands, for everyday use.
Strict-Air2434@reddit
Will I ever own an EV? Of course. Love my ICE stuff.. Porsches and Jags, but there's definitely a future for EV's in my stable.
SidKafizz@reddit
Depends on a lot of things. Can I afford one (I'm not wealthy)? Is there one that might be fun to drive (because I tend to like small sports cars)? Can I get over my manual transmission requirement? How long will I need or want a car?
Right now, the answer is definitely 'no'. But things could change.
BoxTopPriza@reddit
I got my dad to take a day off work and we went to the electric Vegas show at Mccormick Place in Chicago in 1975. 2 hour drive. Mccormick burned down and rebuilt since. I was a Charter member of electric veh club in San Diego. Early 90s I believe. I had a Prius when they came out. Then Prius Prime (now plugin) when they came ut. I'm a believer but don't have an electric yet. I travel enough to have to recharge on the way if I had one. I don't want to plan around charging stations. But I expect to get one someday. I hope my next and maybe last car will be elect and self driving.
NewBMWdriver@reddit
I switched to a BMW i4. Love it.
MisterBitterness42@reddit
I would possibly if the technology was actually persued in an honest way, instead of just latching on to buzz trends to appease consumer opinion. There has been so many different alternatives in the last century. And the concept of using electricity to make things move has been constantly developing since its discovery. Electric motors have tons of variations and are used in vast amounts of industries throughout the world. We could be developing so many better ways, but we’re stuck with CEO’s “developing” the tech according to what sells and then marketing it into the ground.
Careless-Internet-63@reddit
I wouldn't mind it. I've grown tired of spending like $70 at the gas station every week or two and I have two cars. Something to go to work and get groceries in that I can just charge up at home would be nice
Garet44@reddit
I would consider it but I don't see it happening anytime soon.
kaoh5647@reddit
No choice unless you have a red Barchetta at your uncles country place
skyHawk3613@reddit
If the cars are reliable and I can charge them as conveniently as putting gas in your car, then yes
CMDR-LT-ATLAS@reddit
Absolutely, but I prefer grabbing a 2001 DC4 Integra and converting it over to AWD electric over this BS they're pushing on the market. I just want the power of an EV to go +150mph but none of the modern features that are required on modern cars per law.
sinisterdeer3@reddit
Ive been considering getting a rivian truck whenever im nit upside down on my Colorado, though im not sure if i will just because of how much i drive.
But man this thing is such a piece of crap ive had to put $8k into parts for it and take it in for warranty to get a new cylinder head, and now a new computer in less than a year.
arroyobass@reddit
Absolutely. My daily is a Tesla Model 3. I don't want a project car for my daily. I just need it to work. The maintenance on electric cars is SO low compared to my other cars.
Having zero mountanance on my daily gives me more time to enjoy my projects and do fun car stuff rather than stress about fixing the daily before I need to go to work.
vossrod@reddit
Nope
darkstar1031@reddit
There is one I've seen that I might be willing to buy.
87_Smoking_Guns@reddit
No
thatvhstapeguy@reddit
Absolutely not. You can pry my keys from my cold dead hands. Dinosaur juice forever!
Tin_O_Nuts@reddit
Id be down for a gas or diesel electric with wall charge capability, but most of my long trips only have power at one end and id only have range one way, and you cant beat 400 miles of range in 5 minutes with current pure ev tech
Tight-Reward816@reddit
Probably. I don't think I would keep it longer than that.
ComboBadger@reddit
Not any time soon, but I do love the styling of the Rivian R3X. It's a modern restyling of the lancia delta integrale. Basically, as long as Rivian gains/ keeps a good history of quality/ reliability. I'd likely get one myself.
potatoes_have_eyes@reddit
An F-350 with a diesel electric setup would be really nice for what I do. Instant torque, jobsite power, backup power for the house, reduced fuel cost, cheaper maintenance. It would be a big improvement over my current work truck if they got something like that dialed in. I burn a ton of fuel moving material and equipment and it’s pretty hard on the truck.
TheOneWhoWork@reddit
I would. I still think decent ones are a little pricey, and I’m also waiting for the tech to develop a little more.
I think there will be more advancements in charging speed and driving efficiency, so I’m not looking yet. My car is only 3 years old anyways. The charging network near me isn’t great either.
I don’t like the futuristic aspect of them either. I don’t like the door handles that pop out when the car is unlocked, I don’t like that some teslas have the speedometer on the center screen instead of on a gauge cluster screen, or that turn signals are buttons on a steering wheel. I know there are several more traditional EVs but I think too many try to be bleeding edge.
I do think they offer a lot of benefits though. Driving quietness, lack of engine maintenance, cost to run, zero emission, etc.
Ok-Entertainment5045@reddit
Sure, they make great commuter vehicles but aren’t worth a damn on a road trip
ChrisP2333@reddit
I enjoy driving too much for the car to self drive me. But who knows. Ask me again in 10 years when I’m older and the tech is more mainstream.
SaveurDeKimchi@reddit
I am really appreciating that I bought a 6 speed manual Hybrid CR-Z in 2018 instead of a Hemi. Before we got hit by end of the world fuel prices. I just autistically need to drive an MT as a daily. I'd buy an EV truck if I was rich.
APx_22@reddit
It’s definitely a nice option to have. It would suck if combustible engines were no longer an option though
rbparsons@reddit
No
seajayacas@reddit
Not until there are super fast chargers on every other block, just like it is for gasoline stations today
ShazzyANG@reddit
For me, three things have to happen, the first the infrastructure has to be just as convenient as gas stations, and there are 2 less than .25 miles from me and conveniently on the way home from work. The only electric station is 10 miles away that's always packed.
And two charge times have to be on par with gas refueling. I'm not driving 10 miles to wait at a minimum of 30 min when I don't need to shop over there. Also, my house is unable to do at home charging, so that isnt an option.
Also third the cost of the ev itself is more than I'd ever be willing to pay for a soulless car. I'll pay that kind of price for one with fun, engaging, great looking car.
Till then I'll stick with loud noisy cars that I truly enjoy
lakorai@reddit
One day when they build them like ice cars. Where I can repair them myself.
And I'm never buying anything peddled by Elon. r/realtesla.
It needs to hit 500 miles on a charge and I need to be able to fast charge as convenient as I can fill up a gas tank.
4elmerfuffu2@reddit
I'm 70 so I see the new Tesla in my future so I can keep my independence and give up the burden of responsibility.
storm838@reddit
Gear head my whole life, heavy equipment mechanic for 20 years, had it all, fast cars, big trucks, bikes, boats, snowmobile, ect. I can't wait to get one.
AdministrationIcy368@reddit
As a Porsche enthusiast…a flat six singing makes my day.. But guess what. I drive an EV as a daily. On my 3rd one now (keep leasing them). I have to do zero maintenance and always have 250+ miles range every morning. I would reckon that a lot of people would actually enjoy driving an EV as a daily commuter compared to their gas cars. Too many people are knocking it before trying it.
The_Werefrog@reddit
Once they fix the issue of fast charging (you can refill a gas vehicle in about 5-10 minutes) as well as availability of charging stations (once again, not that far normally to get to a gas station), then potentially.
Ready_Mycologist8612@reddit
My wife has one
Nnaz123@reddit
Well not a fan of Evs right now. I would consider getting one tho, when everything is turned on ,think heater or ac and headlights with minimum of 450 miles on a single charge. Charging speed no more than 10-15 minutes just to stretch your legs. All that said… remote disable, tracking, and being in a web of comms is kinda a deal breaker. The service is also atrocious at this point. I’d say another 3 years before all those kinks will get worked out.
wpbth@reddit
Yep. But my guess is it will take 20 years. People forget the average car in the US is 11 years old and the batteries won’t last that long.
ZeCerealKiller@reddit
Yes, only if the company I work for give me a company vehicle to drive. They're big on green energy and encourage people to get electric vehicles.
But funnily enough, all the higher ups don't own a e car and we only have 1 charging station right now 😂
jdkimbro80@reddit
I would and that new Dodge Charger is pretty sweet. Maybe in a few years to see how they pan out.
perfectly_ballanced@reddit
I'd love to. I doubt I would ever buy an EV, just for the fact that I don't like any of the cars on the market in one way or another, but the electric drivetrain itself is hardly ever the cause of it
Admiral_peck@reddit
When they're available affordably and are lightweight with short (100-150miles) ranged. That's exactly what I need for a daily. The truck and the Mustang can both do as many miles as I need to for a road trip, but I'd love to quit wasting fuel running parts across town in my full-size truck. I've strongly considered putting a tesla motor in a kei truck for a daily so I have space to carry parts around and don't have to burn tons of gas every day.
Huge_Photograph_5276@reddit
They did really well in the recent floods in Florida…
No-Welder4782@reddit
This thread is going to be full of 3 people:
Opeth4Lyfe@reddit
Nope. Not unless I’m actually forced to by some law or literally every car manufacturer stops producing ICE vehicles.
It’s not that I hate EV’s, there’s some nice ones out there don’t get me wrong. I don’t just have a car for getting from A to B, I actually enjoy driving around and having fun, and no EV I’ve ever been in (even a Tesla plaid) comes remotely close to the fun and sound of a roaring V8 ripping down the road. When I got my Mustang GT and drove it for the first time, I knew I could never go back. I put 300 miles on that thing in the first 2 days and 7 months later I still have a shit eating grin on my face every time I get in it.
Walksuphills@reddit
Absolutely. I’m very interested in technology and efficiency in cars. Not sure how long it will be, but probably less than 10 years before I’m done with ICE cars.
Disastrous_Head_4282@reddit
If I had a spot to plug it in, sure
Tractorguy69@reddit
ICE ride or die and fuck that clown named after a scent
EntertainmentNo653@reddit
When electric first came out my biggest complaint was the range and the time to recharge. Well they have the range issue mostly solved, but they still take too long to recharge. Once they get that fixed, I would consider an electric.
ohiohandyman81@reddit
I have, under warranty. Do not keep one over 10 years and you will likely be fine.
Jim_in_Albuquerque@reddit
Yes, but that's now past tense. I bought my first electric car a bit over three months ago and I'm loving it!
Doublestack00@reddit
Sure. As soon as it doesn't take 45 minutes to fully recharge and they get a real world 350+ mile range count me in.
claythearc@reddit
We’re all in on electric. I’ve put about 100k miles on them (across multiple cars) in the last 3-4 years, probably won’t go back to ICE
FindingUsernamesSuck@reddit
As a fourth car, yes.
robjeffrey@reddit
Yes. Three years ago.
Bought a Bolt. Love it.
1) I still have an ICE vehicle for long trips. 2) I have an in-home charger
If you can't satisfy those two points, I don't recommend it.
I travel 50km per day for work. 300km battery is great for a week of normal work travel and costs me $0.35 per trip. Gas would cost me over $9 per trip.
However, anything that takes me outside that 300km range, I run to my van. I can fully fuel up in 5 minutes, 15 if there is a 3 car lineup at any gas station.
If I have to charge, it's a gamble of what station has chargers, how many work, how many people are lined up, what bloody app you need, etc. Since it takes about 30 minutes to charge partially, a three car line up is a 2 hour ordeal.
If I am on a schedule, the many unknown factors of an EV is just not feasible. Tesla owners have it a lot better with their charge network, but I can't buy into that biome.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Whenever you know your daily milage this decides if an EV suits you
robjeffrey@reddit
Access to charging as well.
I would never have an EV if I didn't have a charger at home. I could not fathom having to schedule charging to maintain a vehicle.
404_no_data_here@reddit
Buy an EV? Not for a couple decades most likely (I just don't like to buy new cars). I do however want to EV-swap one of the absolute barges that were the 80s 4-door luxury sedans (maybe sneak a generator under the hood too for some extra range).
TransportationOk6727@reddit
If mandated by law yes
a_rogue_planet@reddit
Absolutely not. Even if they got charing down to an ordeal that took minutes, it'll never happen. People don't seem to understand that to charge a car in 5 minutes to go 250 miles requires a volume of power equivalent to a small town. Assume a more modest 50 kWh battery. To charge that in 5 minutes at 100% efficiency would take 600,000 watt/hours of power; a .6 MWh power delivery rate. My local nuclear power plant only produces 908 megawatts. The metro region that plant serves is about 250,000 people. If only 1% of them needed to fast charge their car at the same time, that's 1500 megawatts of power. Even if 1250 people tried to fast charge their cars that would consume 2/3rds of the generating capacity of our nuclear power plant and black out most of the city.
As more people keep plugging their fuckin cars in, electric rates keep rising faster than inflation. I'm not gonna be the stooge paying more for electricity to fuel my car than gasoline costs if this ever becomes a widespread thing. Besides, I made drives of 1200 miles in a day on a somewhat regular basis. I'm not going to own a second car just to do that.
HackVT@reddit
We just got a golf E for our son to drive to school and to run errands. It’s a go kart and so much fun with zero delay for the accelerator to move the little car. And the turning radius is amazing.
I started looking at used p100ds in an effort to see if there was a Tesla I could hoon a bit.
My last time driving one was pretty low key so looking forward to seeing what’s out there.
The ionic6 looks like a blast from some of the YouTube videos. Definitely something I’ll buy used in a few years.
Impressive-Panda4383@reddit
No
thatguythatdied@reddit
I just sold my electric car only due to shifting living condition. For a daily driver that has a way to charge at home (or at work) there isn’t really any downside anymore, I’ll miss it.
chjrtx2@reddit
Probably won't have a choice
scurvy_scallywag@reddit
Not until the infrastructure is there. We put the cart before the horse on this one.
SnooMarzipans4304@reddit
Not until the virtuous signalers stop buying EV's for their conspicuous consumption driving the prices up. I know too many people with EV's as their second vehicle but their daily is a truck/SUV. They are proud EV owner's because they were able to by into the trend but not live fully by it.
angrycanadianguy@reddit
Absolutely. I love my manual ICE cars, but if I could afford it, they’d be relegated to fun toy status immediately. Hell, what I actually want (for the foreseeable future) is something like the Chevy volt, that primarily (preferably entirely) uses its ICE as a generator, where the drivetrain is entirely electric.
I don’t even want electric cars for speed, I want them for their practical reliability and simplicity.
JEFFSSSEI@reddit
NO....NON-Plugin Hybrid, possibly., but the recent hurricanes and prospects of wide spread power outages for weeks/months due to a natural disaster (hurricane, tornado, flooding etc...) could very easily render them useless and as we can all see FEMA is useless. I'll stick with being able to get somewhere to fill up or even store gas for such an occasion over EV everyday of the week and twice on Sundays. Just my $0.02.
I will say as a car guy, from a purely technical standpoint I can appreciate their performance (H.P. acceleration etc.) but that's about it. I don't need my car having to be connected to the internet (just try using a tesla without connectivity) ...it just needs to get me from A to B that's it, not a rolling entertainment center or anything of the like.
lytefall@reddit
Only if I’m forced to
msstatelp@reddit
Yep I would. I was eager to get the VW ID Buzz but my old car gave out before VW put it on sale in the US. Went with an Accord Hybrid.
Complete_Song5015@reddit
I’ll own an electric vehicle when they can get the base price of an entry level commuter around $15000 new. Then I’ll buy it 3 years old for $2000.
spareribs78@reddit
Yes
white94rx@reddit
Nope
MerbleTheGnome@reddit
Eventually, yes.
However, I will hang onto my 2 seater ICE roadsters forever.
115machine@reddit
If the fact that they’re electric actually made a difference in emissions, yes, I would. Our power generation means aren’t conducive to this yet. We need nuclear
Dirtyraccoonhands@reddit
As someone you lives in northern Canada never . But if i was south with cities surrounding me I consider it for commuting to work or grocery getter only.
RHS1959@reddit
I rented an electric Volkswagen for about 4 months in Great Britain last year. Drivability and performance were great. Got a plug-in level 2 charger
Jaren56@reddit
Yes as soon as we get more evs that aren't just boxes on wheels
Lucid is doing cool stuff but they're still way out of my price range
I think im most excited for the hyundai ioniq 5n, seems like an ev built for car people and can put down some serious g's in the corners
rocketbuilder79@reddit
If we can get to a standardized battery system so I can pull up to a "battery" station and swap batteries and be on my way in close to the same it takes to refuel, then I'll consider it
WillyDaC@reddit
Absolutely not.
wimpires@reddit
The only thing holding me back is a lack of a driveway. Of/when we move to a place that does 100% yes
Gold_Kale_7781@reddit
I had my car at the dealer, they said it would be two days. They gave me a loaner.
It was a Kia Niro hybrid. I thought, oh no, not an EV.
I got on the freeway and put the hammer down. In about 5 seconds that car started beeping and warning lights popping up. Was thinking I broke it.
It was trying to tell me I was going too fast. I slowed down. My phone rang and I answered through the infotainment screen on the dash.
The dealer was calling to tell me I couldn't have their loaner going 95 mph. I said no, I slowed down, they said yeah, from 100.
I had no idea I even reached 100mph. It was hard to go less than 90mph in that car.
The estimated range was 525 miles, I ended up getting just under that like 518.
I will not complain when it's time to buy an EV or Hybrid. I will miss the smell of gasoline though.
frankonator22@reddit
I mean, I’m going to be forced to on the eventual future, but I’m keeping my fun to drive manual as long as I can. I’ll be driving my Japanese shitbox as long as I can
honeybadger1984@reddit
I’m pretty big on NA V6 and NA V8 so probably not for a long while if ever.
It may be useful to have a plug in hybrid strictly for a commute. But pure EV seems wasteful as it’s not really great for the environment.
AnswerQueries2222@reddit
Hell no. Hybrid is fine, but if it is, then at least Performance oriented.
TheGrizzlyNinja@reddit
Probably used when they go down in price
FuckM0reFromR@reddit
Maybe. The thought of having solar on the house and charging my car is very exciting, but the drawbacks (range anxiety, charger locations, charging complexity, charging time, charger ques) give me too much anxiety to commit to a single electric vehicle.
I think PHEVs are the "electric" solution for most people. Cheap electric trips within a certain range, then gas whenever you need more range etc, but now you have twice the complexity with both systems in a single vehicle, so an extended warranty is a must, and the wait times for PHEVs are still nuts.
I almost pulled the trigger on one, but after 2 years on the wait list I've grown fond of the analog nature of my ICE vehicle, so getting cold PHEV feet.
hailstorm11093@reddit
Buy a new EV? Probably not. But I'd love to turn an ICE car into an EV or hybrid. I'm not a huge fan of EVs because I feel like it's gonna be treated like a smartphone in a short while. We're already seeing it with ICE cars.
ZrxXII@reddit
As a second car, absolutely
Archizon_The_Wizard@reddit
Electrical tech keeps make advances in science year after year/ while gasoline and diesel have become stagnant, yet the price keeps going up.
MRicho@reddit
Graphene batteries seem to be the solution to the pollution and recycling issue with lithium
nonamejd123@reddit
I just want a car to be simple and light... electric motors are great, but batteries are terrible. Once somebody figures a way to get electricity into the motor I'm sure I'll be interested and the price will keep me away.
ZerotheWanderer@reddit
I'm not against electric cars but I think there needs to be a balance. Cheap electric car to meander around town in, ICE car for longer trips, heavier hauling, or just for the hell of it.
I like the Porsche Taycan wagon but it's way outside my price range, I loved the look of the Honda Urban EV Prototype but the production version is ugly (and it's not in the states). Hyundai Ioniq 5 is on my radar but more than I wanna put down right now for one (could get a 2 year old one with 20k miles for high $20k but I don't wanna compound payments, couldn't afford to anyway). Teslas, I just don't care for 'em, maybe the Model S Plaid but, hey, can't afford it.
BreakNecessary6940@reddit
I definitely root for Lucid as they are made by someone who left Tesla I think I hate Tesla
poormansRex@reddit
No, but only because I will never be able to afford a new one, and used ones are so hit or miss for whether the battery is in good shape, that it's not worth it.
trio3224@reddit
I don't plan on it. Manual transmission cars only for me for over 10 years now. Can't imagine not driving a manual.
ObiWanComePwnMe@reddit
Once the car companies settle on a standard for hot swappable batteries and then batteries become a service not an asset. Then there is almost downside to Ev's. No battery to fail, no engine/transmission to fail, instant "charging" but just swapping batteries. When this tech gets a little closer to fully baked this won't even be a conversation. Enthusiasts will have an ice car for a hobby and everyone will daily an ev.
ChickenNRice37@reddit
Sure, but only as a city commuter for short distance in city drive. Instant torque is very useful to safely join/slip through the traffic.
For long distance - only ICE.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
You should have a gas one as a spare. And a generator if you wanna have a long trip 😂
LastEntertainment684@reddit
Bought a Ford Lightning, ended up liking it so much I’ve had to put battery tenders on my other ICE vehicles because I don’t drive them enough. It really is a spectacular vehicle.
Only real limitations I’ve found is:
To see the cost advantages you really need to be able to charge at home or work where rates are lower, because DC Fast Charger rates end up being similar to gas/diesel.
Towing range has been about 150 miles. So basically you drive for 2 hours and charge for 40 minutes. Do-able, but it really should be more like 4 hours between breaks. GM’s new EV pickup does better there, but it’s more expensive.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
I think EVs are for some daily drives and short trips only not more than that.
LastEntertainment684@reddit
I mean I drive mine all up and down the east coast no problem, often with pallets of parts and equipment in the back. Put 60,000 miles on in two years and saved a ton vs my old diesel.
Yodas_Ear@reddit
No. They’ll have to kill me.
reditor75@reddit
Never, I’ll buy older cars with manual transmission
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Manuals have special taste 😋
paintonmyglasses@reddit
No, not because they’re electric or anything but I just dislike the design of most modern cars and dislike their heavy reliance on computers and electrics
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
They used to have futuristic designs but now they are similar to normal gas ones . It's a must to rely on complicated tech in any EV
ucbiker@reddit
Yes, once infrastructure is down and charging gets a little faster. Give me that big instant torque all day.
TheWhogg@reddit
Of course. I’ve test driven a few. I don’t care about the silence - I drive a 7 series. When they are affordable, practical and durable AND i live in a place suitable for them i will consider one.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Surely whenever I makes your life easier notore complicated
edmunek@reddit
no
Immediate_Trifle_881@reddit
Yeah… when the range is 1000 miles per charge, batteries last for 200,000 miles, and cost is comparable to gasoline powered car.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Sadly all this is coming 😕
jeepsies@reddit
Ya. My gov wants to outlaw the sale of ICE cars in 10 years.
weyoun09@reddit
Yup. If I trust in the longevity of the battery technology, and trust that the manufacture isn't collecting and selling my data.
Abortedinapastlife@reddit
No. EV’s are devices. I’ll take a hybrid though
r34p3rex@reddit
In what way is an EV a device but not a hybrid?
TNTBOY479@reddit
I do, they're by far the most reasonable choice here in Norway due to huge government enforced benefits. They're cheaper to buy, own, use and park. Asides from that there's alot less that can go wrong on them, making them more reliable on average. For longer trips the infrastructure here makes it a breeze, and my car (a Tesla Model S) plans out charging sessions by itself via the GPS. It adds charging stops by itself, calculates when i'll be at the charging station, as well as how long i will be there which allows for some planning.
Honestly, if the infrastructure and benefits are there, i say go for it. Most issues i hear people mention regarding EVs are either entirely subjective (like them being quiet, which is an advantage some times) or blown completely out of proportion (like how they take hours to charge, which they don't).
My advice is to test drive a couple of models and make up your own mind. For some people they're not feasible yet, that's just a reality, but for alot of people they certainly are. A majority of people in some places.
allislost77@reddit
No
r34p3rex@reddit
Already have, S Plaid is hands down the best daily I've ever owned. I can count the number of times I take long road trips every year with one hand so range anxiety is never an issue. Every night I plug in my car and it's good to go by the time I'm awake
DeGlovedHandEnjoyer@reddit
It’s a rapidly developing industry. I’m content with waiting out better range and a more developed charging infrastructure.
For dailies, it’s hybrids for me in the next 5 years. I’ll always have an IC for sport and fun though.
Personal_Pin_5312@reddit
If I lived in a city. For sure, I would own one. For the average commuter, they are excellent. But, I would still have to have a weekender, that was petrol. Because EVs are just boring and heavy.
SignificantEarth814@reddit
I love electric wheels. From a torque, regenerative breaking, rotational inertia perspective, electric wheels outperform drive line wheels every time.
However I'd NEVER, never ever ever ever ever, buy a car that spies on me, suffers from software bugs/hacks, is reliant on an electric grid, can not be modified and upgraded, or I can only afford with an expensive loan.
Dual-fuel diesel hybrid of GTFO
Signal_RR@reddit
As of now, nope. All my vehicles are over 10 years old and my next vehicle will be about the same or older. All gas no hybrid. I wrench on my own stuff with some exceptions I'll let a shop knock out, and I'm not a fan on getting zapped in general.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Bravooo
keca10@reddit
I’m a car guy but an EV makes for a great daily. It’s comfortable and instant torque is nice.
I still have a fun ICE car.
Lubi3chill@reddit
I wouldn’t want to own an electric car, but I could see myself owning electric skateboard/bike. But who knows maybe I will have to drive by car to work and electric ones will be the only ones available.
Pretend_Day_2673@reddit
If it comes to a point when the batteries don't degrade in 10 years and if they get 500+ miles of range then yes.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
This needs about a decade to happen
Pretend_Day_2673@reddit
I'm not sure how much of a car guy I am. I don't really care about speed or horsepower as long as a vehicle is fun to drive and feels fast I'm good. In about 10 years I will be 38-40 so I should start to have real money. And then if everything is electric I can get a Mercedes, BMW, or Cadillac without having to worry about the unreliability that plagues them like the vamos water pump etc
BillyRubenJoeBob@reddit
I do, love it
nokarmawhore@reddit
Once day, probably yes. Right now, no. I'm going to buy a ranger raptor for work and enjoy this gas guzzler. Only driven a boring civic my whole life. EV's should be even better in like ten years when I'm in the market for another car.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
No comment
BotchStylePileDriver@reddit
An e-bike, sure.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Same same
90_hour_sleepy@reddit
Probably not.
I think they might be one small piece of the solution to some of our problems. But billions of people owning and driving them isn’t going to solve anything. It’ll likely just exacerbate existing issues and create entirely new ones.
Greenwashing is real. I suspect what we need is more incentive to drive less. Infrastructure and design that encourages that and also makes it accessible en masse would be a good focus. Unlikely in the current landscape for sure.
I’m in car-centric rehab. No longer own a daily driver of any sort. Bikes and legs are the primary transports now. It’s challenging at times (and I’m fortunate to be mobile and fit). Current infrastructure doesn’t support many people being able to go car-less. Marketing isn’t helping. Urban design also isn’t helping. There are places where models of something different exist. Curious if the western world will ever consider something other than the current model.
RangerS90V@reddit
I’d like a hybrid but nothing fully battery powered.
I love to drive and have no desire to have a self driving car.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Not all ev's have self driving option
JaySee55@reddit
If I had access to a charger at home that didn't cost more than gas AND it was reasonably made for daily commuting meaning as small and light as possible with 100 mile range. However, COO would need to be less than just getting a hybrid that can literally do everything. These current BEVs trying to replace ICE vehicles make no sense to me. 300 mile range SUV that costs 50k+ and have to deal with charging?
If the near impossible possibility that carmakers ally to make a standard swappable, stackable battery standard and swap stations happens, then maybe they could replace ICE cars.
Pure_Psychology_7388@reddit
I work at Tesla and I can’t speak for all EV but I don’t think EV should be a car you own at the moment and if you consider going EV you should be leasing it. Again I can’t speak for all EV but 100% Tesla should be leased.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
👍👍
Uncle-Istvan@reddit
My wife’s car is electric. It’s so cheap to run plus it’s quiet and quick. Practical electric daily and fun manual gas car is a great combo.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
That's it
Nodeal_reddit@reddit
Sure. I own 4 cars. I think it would be great if one of them was electric. For instance, my 2 driving kids only drive to school and back, and I can’t really trust that they will tell me if a check engine or even oil pressure light ever came on in their cars. An electric car would be perfect for them.
unresolved-madness@reddit
My car is electric. I turn the key and an electric motor is turned by a battery to start the engine.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Nice one 😉
Moose-Suspicious@reddit
I've had a Model 3 for three years, 35K miles. As a day-to-day car, it is superior to any gas car I have owned. namely, the ease of use aspects, scheduling the car to be warmed up when I leave for work, awesome navigation, etc. And it's incredibly cheap to run. I have, and will have, hobby cars, which will be ICE. Maybe first-generation 3's will be viewed the same as the first gen Mustangs in 40 years... I doubt it.
Big mileage road trips are still slower than ICE, but it's never been an issue. What is problematic is when you are away from a level 2 charger for days. Everyone wants a ride but has something smart to say when the car is trickle-charging on level 1 and needs to be left parked for a few hours.
I don't understand the concept that EVs and car people occupy separate cohorts. EVs are dope. This feels like the '90s, when the JDM seen was coming on strong, and the muscle car guys would get butthurt about cars with two camshafts.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
👍
allnamestaken4892@reddit
If I ever stop being poor…
BlusteryIllusions@reddit
No
lazyanachronist@reddit
I've got an rx8 track toy and a R1T. So, yes.
hektor10@reddit
No
Tricky_Mess_9067@reddit
no
AnkleFrunk@reddit
Already do. But it only has two wheels.
I suppose I’d get an electric truck or maybe a car some day. Maybe if I can’t operate a manual. But electric isn’t something I’d pay extra for. I don’t drive nearly enough miles for fuel savings to pay off.
I’m getting too old to be skinning my knuckles or spending an hour on a creeper anyhow.
chrissie_watkins@reddit
Yeah, one day. I'm not tied to gas. But I'm weary of buying a used EV, and I'm not a fan of buying new cars, so there's a slight conflict that's keeping me on ICE for the time being. Had a new plug-in hybrid for a bit, installed a 220v charger in the garage and everything, by the EV range was just not enough. A Rivian would be great, but the R1 is a little too expensive for what I want to spend. Probably in the next 10 years. I'll still probably have gas cars on the side, though.
Zachstresses@reddit
Yes. You aren't a car guy (in my eyes) if you dislike a vehicle simply based on what fuel/energy it uses for its powertrain.
AdmirableBoat7273@reddit
Sure. Once I can afford the depreciation and have a backup for roadtrips, I'd love one.
Lil-Gazebo@reddit
No chance. Don't even want a hybrid. The moment I can't get a traditional combustion engine anymore I'll walk.
Motor_Arugula_4282@reddit
No, I'd drive a hybrid probably but nothing fully electric. I probably have about 30 years of driving left in my life and will never own an EV unless forced to do so. I fully expect that to happen of course.
Rapom613@reddit
Potentially as a commuter. But until they stop depreciating like a mattress I have no interest. I’ll always have a fun ICE car, EV will never be able to replace that
The_Cat_Of_Ages@reddit
hell nah
Sobsis@reddit
I need a thousand mile range and then I will, need a few other specifications and preferences also
XtremeWRATH360@reddit
EV vehicles aren’t practical yet. I would rather a Hybrid. It’s the best of both worlds.
twohedwlf@reddit
Definitely. There's literally nothing I need that an EV can't do. Next car likely will be an EV, but the current car an EV wasn't really in the budget.
ginginsdagamer@reddit
Not as a sole car ever, unless the technology exceeds ICE (10-15 minutes fill-up max and 400+ miles of range and every petrol station having at least one but preferably more functional chargers)
Maybe I'd consider it for a small daily driver sooner than that to just make life that tiny bit easier on a work commute but definitely not as my main practical car or a fun weekend car any time soon.
SpeedyHAM79@reddit
Yes hopefully. For a commuting car I'd love to have a full electric vehicle that has \~300miles range, that I can charge in my garage overnight (wirelessly would be preferred), with decent acceleration and handling. I don't need a sub 4 second 0-60 or 1+G cornering for a commuting car. Just something comfortable with a good interior and the standard comforts of any modern car. For long road trips I'll probably always have some type of ICE (hybrid with gas or hydrogen) as I've done a few road trips in an EV, and it was lousy. In my truck I drove 600 miles in 9 hours last year- it's just not possible in an EV.
NetJnkie@reddit
Car guy and my daily is a '24 Tesla 3P. Love it. Very fast. Great tech. So little maintenance. And dirt cheap to operate.
My last two cars were an '18 RS5 w/ Burger Tuner and a '16 Hellcat Charger. It's nuts how little I miss them...except maybe the song of the Hellcat.
Due_Government4387@reddit
Prolly not
PlumpyGumpy@reddit
No
Hyperspec42@reddit
Only if I’m forced to
Ok-Pay7161@reddit
For me the holdback is the lack of charging infrastructure and the range. I live in a flat and there maybe 2 public chargers in a 5 minute radius. As for the range, people keep making this false argument that “you would stop for breaks anyway” - no, I wouldn’t, actually. I’ll happily drive 9 hours with the occasional pee break here and there, but nothing substantial where I could reasonably charge the car.
Otherwise I much prefer driving electric, the immediate torque is lovely.
Mental_Theory225@reddit
I would buy a EV now as a daily if I could afford it as a personal second/third/fourth car like everyone who has commented on this post that owns an EV.
I think the current EVs make great daily drivers for short daily commutes, but then you'd need at least a second vehicle for long hauls/towing etc. It's still cheaper just to own one ice vehicle that can do everything you need than to own multiple vehicles for different tasks.
rodentdroppings@reddit
We picked up a used Nissan Leaf at auction for $1300. Sourced a boneyard battery for it for $250 and use it as a grocery getter.
LegitBoss002@reddit
How'd you go about your search?
Charming-Loan-1924@reddit
Probably LKQ
NCSUGrad2012@reddit
What's LKQ?
Charming-Loan-1924@reddit
They own a bunch of junkyards like hundreds of them, and you can go on their website and search their vehicle inventory or even call them and for an extra charge they will pull the part and deliver it.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Enjoy it bruh 😂
AmountActive7951@reddit
Currently don't have an EV but am definitely not against them once distance on a charge gets longer and charging stations become more common around me I definitely be more interested.
lol_camis@reddit
One day. Right now I don't do much driving and the ICE car I own burns $100 in gas per month and I don't owe anything on ur and it never breaks down. So my motivation is very very low at this point.
But ya if one day it made sense then I'm all for it
notamormonyet@reddit
Nope.
passim@reddit
Already had two, why stop now?
ExigeS@reddit
One day, sure. For now, there is no car that ticks enough of the boxes for me to swap. At minimum, I want a sports car that supports v2h which doesn't exist right now as far as I know. If I have a massive battery in my car, I want to be able to use it for backup in an outage instead of having to also spend 30k+ on a separate battery system.
Only the Ford Lightning has that capability today I think.
GetawayDriving@reddit
I’ve owned 4 already.
Any_Werewolf_3691@reddit
My only car is EV.
Important-Ad1533@reddit
Probably, when the range increases a bit.
BossHoss00@reddit
I have a hybrid crv as my daily. That’s as far as I will go. Have a 02 Silverado duramax and a 75 c20 pickup to offset whatever fuel I save lol
RomyJamie@reddit
Yes.
dannydigtl@reddit
I have a motor swapped track car, another race car, and a PHEV and about to buy an EV. They all have their purpose.
New_Customer_8592@reddit
Once the technology is perfected. Charge to 100% in three minutes. Comes with lifetime supply of tires including installation. 300,000 mile battery/motor warranty includes labor and no prorated garbage. A universal charger port. Charging stations every two hundred feet, like gas stations and are zero powered by fossil fuels.
I was on Tesla website awhile back and they had a tool for planning a road trip. Plug in your location and destination for charging stations.
It was a longer drive time/distance than google maps for the same trip because you had to purposely take that route because of charging stations were along that route.
So looks like I’m stuck with good ole reliable gas.
mookipew@reddit
Yes.
03zx3@reddit
Maybe for a daily, but I don't like a car I can't personally work on.
E90BarberaRed6spdN52@reddit
One day if all petrol stations also had an EV fast charge or two as well.
MysticMarbles@reddit
If they ever focus on providing extended range in a 100hp vehicle, and screw off with these 350hp+ vehicles, sure.
Until there is a base model electric vehicle with a focus on range and efficiency though, never going to happen.
stupidfock@reddit
Already own one. Very nice for going around town. All my other cars are ICE though
clutch727@reddit
Car guy who drives plow trucks, builds and tows race cars and has many future project ice cars. If I could afford a good awd one right now I would totally have an EV. I occasionally need a truck so I daily one and get poor gas mileage around town. EVs won't replace my trucks at work anytime soon but I could totally justify one for myself. There is no one size fits all fix to climate change and the biggest culprit is infrastructure and industry dragging their feet and suggesting we should fight over what each other chooses to drive.
User_Name_Is_Stupid@reddit
Never.
Zealousideal_Sir_264@reddit
When they are 800$ maybe
Parakiet20@reddit
No
Piggybear87@reddit
There are only two electric cars I have ever thought looked good.
The first was the original Tesla Roadster (before Elon's bitch ass got his grubby little hands on the company).
And the second is the new electric Silverado. It pisses me off to say that because I hate American cars in general, but especially Chevy.
You can't find an original Tesla Roadster anymore and the Silverado is $100k.
No thank you.
nikkychalz@reddit
I'm more interested in a plugin hybrid at this point. I still wanna be able to take road trips.
Best-Cycle231@reddit
I made the mistake of getting an EV for my daily a year and a half ago. I would have gotten rid of it already if the deprecation curve wasn’t ridiculous. I look forward to getting back into an ICE daily and won’t look at an EV again for a long time if ever.
Ram2253spd@reddit
If the opportunity came about possibly I would for trips within 200 miles from home. But hybrid seems more of the way to go if you enjoy long road trips and good gas mileage.
Ecstatic_Account_744@reddit
My car got hit and I’ve had a Tesla Model 3 for a day and now a Corolla Hybrid. I took the Tesla down to 22% battery from 80% and charged it to 85% for $14 CDN. That alone is enough to make me prefer electric over gas. It also handled really well and accelerated at a ridiculous pace, but range dropped dramatically going over 100km/h. I won’t buy a Tesla, for a variety of reasons, and I certainly won’t buy a >$50k electric because I have other things to do with my money. But when my current car dies and I can buy one for $35-$45k that ticks all the boxes, I probably will.
Briggs281707@reddit
Nope, nothing newer than early 2000s preferably 80s or earlier
Impossible_Mode_3614@reddit
Absolutely. Silent, amazing torque, very low maintenance.
I'm just afraid to park one in my garage that is under my house 😬
fredSanford6@reddit
I keep looking at nissan leafs. I want to get a new truck to tow the boats and stuff. I love to go pick up scrap and get mowers with it. A nissan leaf with a small fold up trailer would be sweet scrapping rig. Then zip home to sort the stuff onto big truck and trailer. Dumpster diving with a full size truck is gas heavy work.
PrudentPair6961@reddit
I hope my next car is electric. Cubase currently mean I can afford even something used.
Cranks_No_Start@reddit
I don't see it happening for me. ATM the infrastructure where I live isn't there and where I live would probably beat the bejesus out of them so theres that.
I still prefer to do my own work and while initially there may not be much, I tend to keep things a while so for me probably not.
canman41968@reddit
Already do. And one plug in hybrid. All my other stuff is V-8 and they are pleasure only, summer rides. The full ev and hybrid v60 wagon do 99% of the work. And the Hybrid is in Pure EV mode most of the time. Get outta the 50's guys. EV will be the saviour of internal combustion, not the executioner. As for charging and range. If you own a home, (i know, we're lording over those who don't) why would one charge anywhere but at home, in off peak, or ultra off peak hours? Consider this; If you're going on a road trip, do you leave with an empty tank of gas, that you'll have to fill for 2-3 times the money on the morning of your trip, or if you had the option to fill up overnight for virtually free, would you do that? Naturally a cross country road trip, or round trip beyond your EV's reasonable range is tricky. But most of us have another vehicle that would serve that purpose. The rest of the time, it's EV all the way. And the way I can holeshot just about any ICE vehicle is just a bonus. Let me know if I have a tail light out, eh pick up drivers... thanks.
Kygunzz@reddit
Maybe as a second car but not as a primary. I sometimes have a need to drive long distances without lengthy mandatory stops along the way.
longhairedcountryboy@reddit
When I have the money to cover my hillside with solar panels and pay cash, I'll have one.
WilliamFoster2020@reddit
When the technology is mature I may entertain the idea. But, it will have to show as being superior to a hybrid for the vehicle I am needing.
JonJackjon@reddit
I would definitely enjoy driving an EV for "one day". Else I stick with may manual shift vehicle.
RaidenMonster@reddit
Long time car guy, wife got a Model Y a few months back. Like it A LOT more than I expected I would and for the type of driving she does, works great.
Own a home and had a charger installed in the garage. If I wasn’t able to do that, we probably would not have an EV.
Grandemestizo@reddit
Sure. Once I’m confident in their longevity and serviceability, and the cars and infrastructure are developed to the point that they suit my needs, I’d happily switch to an electric car. Right now those conditions aren’t quite met but I don’t think we’re far off.
Pineydude@reddit
When the technology comes a little further, and charging is more available, also longer range on a charge definitely. Hopefully by then they’ll stop putting tablet screens on top of the dash ( I know that’s on gas cars now too. It’s distracting and awful)
jms1228@reddit
No EV for me…. A hybrid corolla or Camry.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Yeah reduced some gas consumption way not
TweeksTurbos@reddit
Own one now, frees up money for dumb stuff i buy for the fun cars.
nevadapirate@reddit
Yes. I ride an Ebike daily and would love an electric car or truck. My tiny town has 2 charging stations... one for Tesla and one for all the others. I like the look of the Rivians. I wish I could afford one.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Rivians are good . Let's hope we'll get we want .
Acceptable_Ad_667@reddit
My ultimate vehicle will be a plug in hybrid with at least 100 miles of range on a charge. Currently have 3 gassers and 1 hybrid. Getting 42mpg in a hybrid is suv is amazing.
TheSpaceBoundPiston@reddit
Sure. I have 2 racecars and a 4x4. I don't need a hot rod to get to work.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Seems logical 🙄
captain_sta11@reddit
Yep. EVs range-wise would be fine for the vast majority of people and within 10 years, the charging infrastructure should be to the point where more people in apartments can comfortably use EVs. I can see myself having one as a daily within a few years.
self-defenestrator@reddit
I’m sure I will someday, but I’m pretty happy with my current car and the electric charging infrastructure just isn’t where I’d need it to be yet.
Psyco_diver@reddit
If I had to drive back and forth to when everyday I would own a electric, but I have a company truck (I work on construction equipment) so my personal vehicle only sees 4k miles on average a year. My wife's next car will probably be electric I think because even though she is a stay at home mom, she drives allot
secondrat@reddit
Already do. We own a 2015 Fiat 500e and use it for 90% of our daily driving. We take the SUV when we need to haul stuff or 4 people, tow, or drive longer distances.
The EV has needed absolutely nothing but charging and wiper blades in 2 years.
I also have a Miata, Alfa and racecar so I’d rather spend my time working on those than the daily driver.
I love my fun cars but electric just makes so much more sense. And soon will be just as convenient if not more than ICE cars.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Nice
Zealousideal-Log-238@reddit
Eventually. I’m a lover of rumbly engines as much as anyone but EVs are starting to grab my attention now that they’re beginning to look better and ranges are improving.
Hyundai Ioniq5 has had my attention since it came out, but with a minimum 100 miles per day it’s not yet feasible for my needs.
Flyerwhat@reddit
Yes
brandonct@reddit
I have a nice sedan and an old truck for truck stuff. When we replaced my wife's car an EV made sense because we have my car for road trips. I find myself favoring the ev for everything around town and only driving my car when she's at work or we're travelling. Being able to just hop in and zoom, no warmup, no fuss, no gas stations, next to nil operating cost, has just been great.
owlwise13@reddit
Yes, unless some other tech emerges.
Lino155@reddit
Yes. My daily is fully electric. I was already looking for a new vehicle and my work provides free charging. When I was looking, gas was $2.60/L and my car was a modified turbo car (still have) spending $80-$100 a week just to get to work.
The electric is absolutely fantastic for daily use. Quiet, powerful, roomy and so easy to just get in and drive around. But it's not for everyone, and that's ok.
Dedward5@reddit
I already do, plus various ICE cars for specific things, Track, Tow/4x4, city car etc and then a Kia EV6 too which is a great car for the family. Some manuals, some autos 1 EV. I do most of my car serving and repair myself, I race the track car. My "Car Guy Creds" stand up to some scrutiny and "yes" I won an EV.
Merc-63@reddit (OP)
Then it's not your only one and you enjoy the internal combustion ones ,great