Despite the light ressemblance, the Avantime is quite different vehicle. It was designed and produced by Matra and based on the Espace III platform, whereas the Vel Satis is a Renault built car based on the Espace IV. Think of the Avantime as an avant-garde high end coupe for the brand, and the Vel Satis as a replacement for the high end full size sedans, but more spacious.
Obviously Renault got them very wrong as they were complete failures. The Avantime production stopped only 2 years after its launch in 2003 but the Vel Satis lived on, and even got a refresh, up until 2009. But production numbers never really reached the same numbers as the Safrane did.
Had one of these for a few years - They are really nice and for someone like me that has body movement issues getting in and out was a dream - and with a 3.5 V6 they could shift a bit!
SouthwestBLT@reddit
The Avantime is a far stranger version of this car.
Calagan@reddit
Despite the light ressemblance, the Avantime is quite different vehicle. It was designed and produced by Matra and based on the Espace III platform, whereas the Vel Satis is a Renault built car based on the Espace IV. Think of the Avantime as an avant-garde high end coupe for the brand, and the Vel Satis as a replacement for the high end full size sedans, but more spacious.
Obviously Renault got them very wrong as they were complete failures. The Avantime production stopped only 2 years after its launch in 2003 but the Vel Satis lived on, and even got a refresh, up until 2009. But production numbers never really reached the same numbers as the Safrane did.
SouthwestBLT@reddit
Ah thanks for the info; I had always assumed they were twins under the skin given the timing and power train I believe is the same droney 3.5 V6.
Matra are the kings of weird wheels tho so it makes sense.
tomato432@reddit
the avantime had the FDM ES/L engine that was designed to replace the PRV, the vel satis had the nissan VQ35
Bohemka1905@reddit
Had one of these for a few years - They are really nice and for someone like me that has body movement issues getting in and out was a dream - and with a 3.5 V6 they could shift a bit!
demonsdencollective@reddit
The butt car.
jornvanengelen@reddit
Actually these are pretty good cars, just ugly as hell
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