Honda Executive Confirms No Manual for the Prelude

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Skitt64@reddit

I did not expect one with a hybrid Prelude. I’ll be surprised if even the inevitable hybrid Miata has one. If there isn’t an actual gearbox and clutch there’s no point. What’s going to make or break this car is how it goes around corners. If it matches the old Prelude it’ll do alright. It would have been so easy for Honda to stick that EV drive motor over the rear wheels, though.

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Bedroominc@reddit

It has the Type-R front double wishbones supposedly.

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Skitt64@reddit

Dual-axis steering is what I believe that system is called. It's not double wishbones, it's a Macpherson strut with some extra bits to change the steering geometry and remove torque steer.

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DopamineQuest@reddit

Another boring honda product

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TenesmusSupreme@reddit

I don’t understand the Prelude news when the Civic variants are so good by themselves. Including the Type R, new Hybrid Touring, Si. Can anyone explain how the Prelude fits into all of this?

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Icy-Extension-9291@reddit

Simple, is the future of sportcompact car under Honda,.

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BringingFire@reddit

There is currently no Coupe on this segment of Hondas lineup. It's just the new Civic Coupe.

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snail_forest1@reddit

which if they want to stay true to the prelude, shouldn't it be an accord coupe. wasnt the prelude made on the accord platform so they could give it the longer hood for a sports car look.

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BringingFire@reddit

I believe it was, but it's semantics at this point. The prelude is just the new coupe since Honda killed both the accord coupe and civic coupe. They needed a new one.

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Funny_Frame1140@reddit

Wait theres a Civic Coupe? I thought they all were 4 doors

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MumpsyDaisy@reddit

He's saying that the Prelude is functionally the Civic Coupe even if in name it's a different car.

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MaryJaneAssassin@reddit

Sadly it won’t retain the classic Prelude long nose.

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03Void@reddit

Current Gen is all 4 doors. Previous one had a coupe.

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boner79@reddit

As a proud Civic owner myself I say this with love: The Civic ain’t as cool as a Prelude. Same as a Corolla ain’t as cool as a GR86 and a Sentra ain’t as cool as a Z car. It’s a compact car vs a 2 door sports car. Different classes.

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saturnuranusmars@reddit

Prelude wasn't exactly cool when it existed. It just seemed too big for anything focused.

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Traditional_Steak878@reddit

Right, and I think Honda learned front that mistake and was waiting to find a spot for it. Hybrid coupes are going to be the thing for the next 5 years, calling it now.

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Voltron_The_Original@reddit

Prelude is a poke at Nissan Z. That's all I see.

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hi_im_bored13@reddit

2 doors vs 4 is all, this generation doesn’t have a coupe.

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Federal-Nebula-9154@reddit

I love the look but it better not be much more than the four-door civic. I'm expecting it to be a bit more premium than the civic, possibly and with better tech. Although I can't see most consumers going for it. I may end up cross shopping it vs civic , integra , prius, corolla hybrid.

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lazarus870@reddit

But didn't Honda discontinue coupes because they don't sell? What makes them think the Prelude will?

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Ziakel@reddit

I think it’s the same strategy as the Integra. Playing with our nostalgia.

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byebyepixel@reddit

It absolutely infuriates me that they spent money on a Prelude Coupe hybrid, when they should've and could've just given the Integra the hybrid. I literally remember them dropping the Civic Coupe because it didn't sell. And now they want to bring it back and slap a hybrid in it with the Prelude name and make it sell

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MaryJaneAssassin@reddit

The smart play for Honda would’ve been using the Accord 2.0T variant in the Honda Prelude.

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byebyepixel@reddit

Honda doesn't make smart plays. They're Toyota but more expensive with less features (Accord) with an Acura brand that's good for nothing

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NoctD@reddit

Honda sells well today based on its past reputation only - quality has not improved, power has not improved, efficiency has as that is their focus. Conservative old school management that is late to EVs, doesn't care a single bit about the old glory days of building great motors. Honda appliance car company is all they are now... but they will happily grab every single sale from nostalgia.

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MaryJaneAssassin@reddit

The data disagrees with your statements. 1. Honda is still highly rated for quality even with the minor issues experienced with new powertrains. 2. They have improved power number but it’s a marginal improvement. Honda have never been class leading or cars that have lots of power, even looking back into history this applies.

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hi_im_bored13@reddit

I’d say the new hybrid civic is a very good product, as is the type-r as an enthusiast product, cr-v hybrid & pilot are also pretty solid. They could be better but I don’t think it’s purely reputation, they’re are making some good products. they’re first and foremost an engine company primarily that finds stuff to put it in, I’d expect them to be the last to EVs anyways. I don’t like the 1.5t but anything with the j-series or series hybrid is a solid powertrain, 2.0 k-series is still good fun

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NoctD@reddit

They make good appliances with flaws - Honda sensing is one of the worse ADAS systems out there. The Type R is a dumb product it relies on clown wheels to compensate for FWD and overheats when pushed. K and J series are decades old engines at the core they don’t have any new engines but the hybrid powertrain is good for your appliance grade Hondas. They were (past tense) a motor company but they’ve lost their way there too. Enthusiasts need to acknowledge Honda of today is basically dead and there’s no future… too many like you are still caught up with the old Honda which they will never get back to sadly.

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Far-Shift1235@reddit

To the contrary I think you just have a chip on your shoulder about Honda and don't realize it. How many honda vehicles have you actually driven and given a fair chance to recently?

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NoctD@reddit

Have owned 7 new Hondas in the past and yes I have a chip because of the apathy and excuses people make for them, they’ve not innovated for the past 2 decades. People that make excuses unfortunately will seal the fate and doom Honda as an enthusiast brand. I’ll keep reminding people I told you - was spot on about the Prelude being nothing more than modern Homda badge engineering on a 2 door Civic.

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Far-Shift1235@reddit

Congrats on the past and being mad but lets circle back Have you driven lets say a 2021+ hrv, crv or civic? You to me come off as an excel sheet warrior tbh

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NoctD@reddit

Does it matter - the last Civic I had has the same 1.5t tragic engine as the 2021+ Civic/CR-V. So tell me - what’s your Honda history since you’re claiming to know so much?!

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Far-Shift1235@reddit

There's nothing to discuss here it seems, holding such a strong opinion about stuff you haven't driven is hilarious though and on brand for this sub so thumbs up to you

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NoctD@reddit

A newer model from the same maker with the same powertrain options isn't going to drive a whole lot differently and the powertrain is the issue here. Doesn't seem like you want a discussion from the way you came off right off the bat anyways. If you wanted a reaction you sure got one but you're not person enough to stick around to finish the fight you picked I guess. The L15 turbo engine is a bad choice Honda made, sticking a turbo onto their cheapest engine series. Head gaskets blow, con rods fail, these engines are a travesty. The CR-V with the L15 is simply underpowered until the turbo kicks in, test drove it and it was beyond utterly slow from a standstill. The old K24 powered CR-Vs on paper might seem worse but those drive really well, I miss my old CR-V. Honda won't even use the L15 turbo on the HRV because it would then cut into CR-V sales - this is a company that constantly sandbags its own products and tries to sell with the minimum they can get away with. Newer HRV at least added some much needed power, but its still a tortoise. Also 2021+ plenty of them have those faulty steering and finally they're recalling them. Not sure why you think these are such superior products to the older Hondas?!

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hi_im_bored13@reddit

The automatic systems are garbage, adas is one but the AC system & high beams need work too, but the type-r is still a really, really fun car while remaining practical, if you push it on track then it overheats after 15mins or so but around a backroad or 2-3 hot laps it’s still an excellent performer with great inputs. Modern turbo k series & DOHC j-series have come a far way since the original, the 10-speed the J series is attached to is a massive upgrade. k20c1/c8 & 6-speed is really fun as far as 4 cylinders go. I mean it’s not the 9k RPM VTEC k-series of yesteryear but given emissions regulations they’re still making some surprisingly fun to drive cars … I think the type-r is getting pricey but it’s still really fun to drive. I don’t think they’re dead in any sense of the word. The pilot is still surprisingly fun to drive for an suv and more importantly has very good packaging, the civic has about as much interior space as a camry despite its size & the hybrid powertrain is good fun They were really, really bad from say 2008-2018 but last 5 years have been solid imo. Now acura has been putting out uncompetitive overpriced garbage for years now and really needs to wake up. The TLX in particular is an awful product

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Viperlite@reddit

I remember the manual when I wax nostalgic.

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Killbot_Wants_Hug@reddit

Especially the Prelude. I had a 5th Gen I bought new when I was like 19. The shifter was really good, only beaten by my s2000 later. Honda really knows how to make a great feeling manual.

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Snirt14@reddit

Also had a 5th gen and the shifter was so precise.

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jondes99@reddit

Also bought one new. A countersunk shift knob shortened it a bit and it was even better. Great shifter, fun engine, excellent handling. I guess the new one might have 1 of these qualities.

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ReaperThugX@reddit

Supposedly the RSX will be coming back. Likely an Acura version of the Prelude

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cedit_crazy@reddit

Honestly I think the coupes failed to sell because a lot of them are just 2 door sedans currently the only tru coupes you can get is the Corvette Z4 and the mx5. When you have the space for 4 seats the coupe just turns into a sedan with harder to access rear seats.

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Track_Rat_@reddit

Gr86

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cedit_crazy@reddit

Gr86 also has rear seats however I did forget to mention how the new supra only has 2 seats but yet again it's just a Z4 with a different skin

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Successful_Ad_9707@reddit

I think that's part of it. The other issue is that consumer trends just change. People want a "do everything car" and coupes don't fit that bill for most people. Especially given the rising costs of both new and used cars, fewer people can afford to have a practical car and a fun coupe. I'd have to see the data to confirm, but it wouldn't surprise me to find that the majority of coupe owners these days are on the wealthier side and have multiple cars. Small sample size, but I've paid attention to a lot of the chatter going around at auto shows near where coupes have been on display and the common conversations I've heard are "if I didn't have kids" or "if I had the money and space".

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RoyShavRick@reddit

Bingo. Just fun to have a cheap car that looks cool. Let's have more of these kinds of cars.

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aaayyyuuussshhh@reddit

30K-40K doesn't sound cheap at all. 2022 V8 Camaro costed 35K MSRP and gets 20-25mpg combined and is actually fun to drive, sounds good, etc. This prelude looks decent but it's gonna be so depressing to drive. Might be relatively quick but that's about it. Might as well just get the Civic considering this will be the same price if not more. Either way at this price point id be more interested in a Model 3 or smth for a similar price if you qualify for the tax credit.

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hi_im_bored13@reddit

Would be a fair argument if the camaro still existed, except it doesn’t anymore, compared to the current market with z or 4-cyl supra this isn’t too bad, more power than the gr86. Closest thing to the basic camaros is the ecoboost mustang now and you’re looking 30-40k for a decent spec.

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aaayyyuuussshhh@reddit

Ecoboosts are sweet. You can find the new ones discounted all day long for under 30K. Personally I'd take that over what Honda is tryna put out. It can't be that hard for Honda to put the accord 2.0T in the new prelude and sell for 30K. Would be more entertaining and something for car enthusiasts to look forward too. I mean I'm not gonna complain about a new fun-ish coupe but I know I'd never buy it and I doubt its gonna sell well

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Hell_its_about_time@reddit

The Si was a coupe. I believe the Civic sport still is.

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Successful_Ad_9707@reddit

The 11th gen has no coupe available. Acura no longer makes a coupe either.

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ktappe@reddit

Wait, what? Name an Acura coupe. They used to make the CL but it’s gone.

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jondes99@reddit

2 less doors since the Civic coupe was discontinued.

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Aero06@reddit

I'm convinced that Acura is going to make an RSX on the Prelude platform and give it an upgraded Type-R drivetrain to serve as their halo car now that the NSX is gone. That is the only way any of this makes sense to me.

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kimi_rules@reddit

The Type-R grew too much it's basically a sedan with a hatch, just like the i4. Honda doesn't make coupes anymore since the NSX is gone.

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E8282@reddit

Something to “compete” with the BRZ etc?

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IReallyLikePadThai@reddit

It would have to be a few hundred pounds lighter and have two doors to really make sense vs the civic

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Bedroominc@reddit

Only the Prelude SI had 200 or higher, the base models usually under, and the SI model slightly more.

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snail_forest1@reddit

prelude ... i mean civic hybrid coupe

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cmz324@reddit

Thry should really call it a CRZ lol

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TheSkyline35@reddit

Well it was manual and quite fun, light. I don't get what they are doing here. Sporty car but kinda low on power with a AT ?

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PlatinumElement@reddit

At least the CRZ offered a manual.

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Seattle-Resident@reddit

And it was lighter.

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rationis@reddit

The Prelude was actually a good bit heavier heavier than the Civic. HOWEVER, it was packing nearly twice as much hp. A modern Prelude equivalent would weigh around 3400lbs and be making close to 400hp

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Seattle-Resident@reddit

I meant that the old prelude was lighter vs the new one AND with the same HP

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rationis@reddit

Eh, not really. 5th gen tipped the scales at 3000lbs and even the 4th gen Vtec came it at 2932lbs.

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coyote_of_the_month@reddit

Honda is known to overstate the weight of their cars. I'd be curious what the actual scale said.

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rationis@reddit

I've dragged nearly all my Hondas and weighed them at the strip. They weigh what Honda says they do, so I don't buy that at all.

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coyote_of_the_month@reddit

Really? SCCA scales put my 10th-gen Si almost 100 lb less than Honda claims.

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rationis@reddit

Maybe it wasn't calibrated correctly. Car & Driver weighed their 10th gen Si sedan and it came in at 2937lbs. So 31lbs heavier than Honda's advertised curb weight of 2906 and in line with my experience weighing 6 of my Hondas. If the 10th gen actually weighed 100lbs less than claimed, it would be pretty big news in the Honda communityy since that would would make it lighter than the ITR/RSX-S and the lightest Si since the EP3.

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coyote_of_the_month@reddit

2765 with 1/4 tank of gas and 17x8" RPF1s. I don't think I'd done the exhaust yet when I weighed it, but that would have saved something like 40 lbs too.

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rationis@reddit

That made your previous assertion a bit intellectually dishonest, don't you think? We both know that is not how the Si comes from the factory. Curb weight requires a full tank of gas and all original oem equipment. Rpf01's knock 60lbs off and 1/4 tank of gas omits 57lbs of fuel. Since you omitted that important information, I would be surprised if you had the exhaust done already too.

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coyote_of_the_month@reddit

Man I always underestimate the weight of gasoline, but yeah you're right.

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Smash_4dams@reddit

I had a 5th gen back in the day. Even the doors were heavy. Hitting VTEC with a 1/3 tank of gas was always fun though!

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rationis@reddit

I had a couple 5th gen's as well. My Base was definitely a bit quicker than my SH and the EM1 and GSR bois would always rag on it for being "sooo heavy" lol It was funny how much slower it was with a full tank compared to 1/4 tank

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The_Cows_Are_Home@reddit

So a MKV Supra

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rationis@reddit

Adjusted for inflation, the Prelude SH would cost $52,250. So yea, nearly as much as a Supra.

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MaryJaneAssassin@reddit

Sadly it’s all about short term profits and these decisions by Honda are financial driven. I had heard they were developing a MT for the Prelude but now that appears to bogus. It also makes sense financially that Honda wouldn’t spend money developing a MT for the hybrid platform. IMO Honda missed by not using the Accord 2.0T K20 variant with the MT for the Prelude. This would put the Prelude in a slot between the Si and Type R performance-wise.

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K3TtLek0Rn@reddit

Yup I had an ‘01 prelude up until a couple years ago and it was just over 200hp. Sick car but such a pain to fix up all the time. Plus so many quarts of oil…

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Jhco022@reddit

They might as well just scrap it if it's going to be like that tbh

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a_sensible_guy@reddit

Assuming Honda does with this Prelude what they’ve done with previous generations, it’s a platform for testing new tech. My wife’s 01 SH ‘lude has something called the ATTS, which I’m guessing is an early version of the systems that are now being used in Acuras with the SH badge. I know an older generation of the prelude also had 4-wheel steering. Bummer about the manual, but at least I’ve got access to a top-of-the-line 01 with a 5-speed!

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thatgymdude@reddit

All Honda does now (for the most part) is boring and then they wonder why it doesnt sell.

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Potential-Ant-6320@reddit

My mom wants one and it’s actually significantly faster than she will ever use. 200hp is plenty for a small hybrid. This isn’t an enthusiast car. This is at best the new CRZ.

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Rillist@reddit

My 93 Prelude SR-V made 200hp, over 30 years ago while getting 30mpg What. The. Actual. Fuck. Is wrong with Honda

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ChicanoAristotle@reddit

Damn just stating the facts sir.

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BaileyM124@reddit

Honda has really become an absolute joke compared to what it was. It’s sad to see the brand degrade itself. At least they make solid cars

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thesleazye@reddit

Is this just a stretched Prius?

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6786_007@reddit

stretched Insight lol.

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epsiblivion@reddit

Two door civic hybrid

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KingGeedohrah@reddit

That's officially the most depressing sentence I've read this morning.

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caterham09@reddit

More or less yeah.

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doyu@reddit

Honda lost its way in the early 2000s. They traded fuel economy for literally everything that made them special.

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DirtyRedytor@reddit

They're throwing that 1.5 4 cycl in everything aren't they?

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gunnutzz467@reddit

That CVT hybrid is gonna be sick

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Multifaceted-Simp@reddit

Less convenient than a civic, probably more expensive. "Sports cars don't sell"

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DarkMatterM4@reddit

Yep. Hype is completely dead for the Prelude with this announcement. Guess I'll be keeping my Civic Si coupe. At least that car has an LSD.

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Quatro_Leches@reddit

idk why people even buy Hondas anymore, they're legitimately a money pit and has been for quite some time, they aren't anywhere near as reliable as Toyotas and their repairs are expensive as fuck. my parents spent so much money repairing their Pilot and before that their CR-V lol.

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Bedroominc@reddit

No shit, what a total shock. A 2024 Hybrid Honda with no manual? Can’t believe they didn’t R&D away millions to do it for one sports-Coupe.

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Rillist@reddit

In the words of my GF "What a waste of a nice looking car" I'm desperately hoping this is the entry level and we'll get an Si/TypeS or performance version in a couple years time like they did when they skip Civic Si generations. You can get a stick in a base civic, the 1.5t civic, Si and TypeR. Whoever is in charge of this product in Honda should be tarred and feathered

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HabibiLogistics@reddit

yeah, some engineer working on the prelude hinted that the type r engine could fit in the new prelude. it has double wish suspension too, so there's a good chance there'll be some sort of sporty trim. but I have to know, if it's true that this is just gonna have a civic powertrain, what does Honda have to gain by making a whole new car instead of just making a civic coupe? there *has* to be something else they're gonna do with it.

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Rillist@reddit

If thats the case this new lude shouldve been the integra instead

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HabibiLogistics@reddit

yeah and i agree, which even more so makes me think they're up to something more with the prelude. what gives me some serious hope, though, is that [this video](https://youtu.be/vRqVBQsZj5Y?si=bDHttPtz37PoEyLL) talks about hondas plans for a new e-awd system for their cars, which is supposed to be introduced in 2026. the article talks about how the prelude will have the same powertrain as the civic, but if it has the eawd system it can still make good power to the rear wheels using a rear motor while only having a civic engine.

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Rillist@reddit

The prelude has historically been their tech demonstrator. 4ws, vtech for the masses, fuel injection I guess that makes sense but that baby will be pushing 4000 lbs. if we're talking 2.0turbo from the old accord and acuras plus the e awd with a combine output of 276 my complaints about the car will be null and void. But at that point, why not lead with that? The marketing around the car has been awful

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HabibiLogistics@reddit

>The prelude has historically been their tech demonstrator. 4ws, vtech for the masses, fuel injection This is exactly what makes me believe this will feature their new e-awd system, but like you said, why would they not lead with that when marketing it? My only guess is that they want to wait to announce it officially rather than through articles/magazines

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Rillist@reddit

Thats the thing, if this was somehow a system like Toyota's Prime hybrid system, why not market it that way? At least it would offer some excitement over the snoozefest of the accord power train. I just dont get Honda these days, man

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HabibiLogistics@reddit

yeah man, it just feels like they've almost gotten complacent. its a shame they don't care too much for sports cars anymore because they're incredible at making them.

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DocPhilMcGraw@reddit (OP)

You can only get a manual transmission in the Si and Type R. You cannot get a stick shift on any other trim level. They got rid of the 1.5T powertrain option too. The only Civic that offers that is the Si.

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Vhozite@reddit

I genuinely surprised yall thought this was getting a manual lol

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Houston103@reddit

To be fair Honda has made manual transmission hybrids before (CRZ, Insight).

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Vhozite@reddit

Not saying they’ve never done it, just that there was 0 indication that this car was getting one. Everything we’ve learned has pointed to this being a copy paste of the Civic Hybrid power train, which doesn’t use a traditional transmission setup.

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Houston103@reddit

that's fair, I guess people just thought since every "performance" honda is ONLY available with a stick, it'd at minimum just be an option.

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kyflyboy@reddit

Didn't Honda used to have a 2 door Accord that had a sporty V6? Was pretty peppy!

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BWFTW@reddit

V6 with a 6 speed manual.

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gagt04@reddit

And a limited slip, if memory serves correct.

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Houston103@reddit

Open diff on accords, but it could probably fit one from an Si or an Acura Type S diff

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TrptJim@reddit

Miss mine occasionally. That baby was more fun to drive than it had any right to.

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apaksl@reddit

I'm still dalying the Acura version of what you just described.

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

Swapped a 3.2CL motor into my Miata when I had it. Fantastic motor.

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killshelter@reddit

Yeah my buddy had one and that V6 was surprisingly fun. I had it in the sedan as well and it could go. So yeah a 200hp auto hybrid coupe. If it comes in at like 20k maybe I could see the appeal, but otherwise I don’t think it would be too fun to drive.

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TheDrunkenMatador@reddit

The only cars that go for $20K anymore are the few remaining base trim subcompacts (Versa, Sentra. Even the Elantra starts above $21K)

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europeanperson@reddit

Considering a civic hybrid starts at 29k, it’s not gonna be 20k. That’s like early 2010 pricing lol

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4score-7@reddit

>20k Yeah, we wish. Just the name “Prelude” and the fact that it’ll be the latest kid on the block means $30k.

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Smash_4dams@reddit

Until the transmission shattered like glass. Honda's automatics in the 90's-early 00s couldn't really handle anything over 180hp.

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milifiliketz@reddit

They even had a 4 door Accord with a a V6 and a manual!

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Maverick_Raptor@reddit

Can still find them on the road today! Great cars, some even came manual

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ThatOneBitch02@reddit

I don't understand who the target audience for this car is.

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Vtakkin@reddit

It's people who want a cool looking car but don't care about performance. There's plenty of people who buy automatic 86s/BRZs and bought automatic Scion TCs and Civic Coupes for that reason. Just because this sub wouldn't like it doesn't mean it doesn't have a market.

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Dan_E26@reddit

I have a really hard time believing there is a big enough market for people who just want a coupe but don't GAF about any type of performance. There's a reason Honda killed the Accord and Civic coupes a while back: nobody was buying them. To sell a 2-door these days, you gotta give the customer SOMETHING to make it more enticing than the 4-door offering. It's gotta be faster, more fun, better looking, a lot cheaper than the 4-door, or any combination of these. Unless the Prelude is a total WEAPON in terms of handling, it seems like its just gonna be a Civic hybrid with two doors instead of 4. What's the point in getting the less practical car if it isn't more fun or more special in any way?

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Houston103@reddit

Honda said it will NOT be the "Sportiest, Zippiest car" so I'm betting it has the same soft, washy suspension as the new Accord. So...whos this for? The old Accord Coupe you could get with a 280hp VTEC V6 and a sweet 6 speed. I have a 2020 Civic Si Coupe and the manual and turbo engine create a wonderful tuner platform and the dual mode sport suspension make it a cornering weapon...but this? Not fast in a straight line, probably not set up for handling, no manual for fun...

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Sonoda_Kotori@reddit

>There's plenty of people who buy automatic 86s/BRZs Funny you said that, 33% GT86s sold in 2018 were manual whereas 78% BRZ sold that year were manual. It seems like more Toyota buyers just want a stylish and reliable coupe from a brand they know, whereas more Subaru buyers are enthusiasts. [https://www.autoblog.com/news/subaru-brz-manual-transmission-take](https://www.autoblog.com/news/subaru-brz-manual-transmission-take)

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PlatinumElement@reddit

The difference in take rate is because Toyota USA specs their cars, whereas Subaru lets you spec it yourself. Therefore A LOT of buyers in the market who couldn’t find the manual 86 they wanted went over to Subaru and just ordered the one that appealed to them.

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BerniesMittens@reddit

I miss the Scion tC and the Toyota Celica. The world needs a reliable three-door hatch again!

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s0lace@reddit

It's basically me. I have an s2000 (so IDGAF about having another manual or having another "performance" car). My wife can't drive stick, so an auto is somewhat necessary anyway. I owned a DOHC Del Sol (fun) and a Geo Storm (complete shit) in the past- 2 similar cars mentioned in this thread. I don't have any kids and personally do not need a massive car (my wife has a CR-V bc she "likes how she sits up high"). I like it looks kinda cool. I'm a sucker for nostalgia and I always wanted a Prelude back in the day (or an RSX Type S).

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ethicalsolipsist@reddit

> My wife can't drive stick > my wife has a CR-V bc she "likes to sit up high" Let me guess, she also likes traveling, red wine, falls asleep during movies, and is always cold?

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Hugh_Jazzin_Ditz@reddit

> My wife can't drive stick (so an auto is somewhat necessary anyway). Why can't she have her own car?

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ubiqn@reddit

His wife drives a CR-V so she does have her own car. If his car is an auto then she can help him drive it when necessary.

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Occhrome@reddit

just like the Honda Del Sol.

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DudeWhereIsMyDuduk@reddit

Del Slow

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byebyepixel@reddit

I think it does look cool. Personally I rather have the Acura Integra hybrid since it'd be the "cooler" version while just as, if not more practical. I'd settle with the Prelude if it came with a liftback, but it doesn't. On top of the copy-and-paste cheap Honda interior + overpriced Honda pricing, that's a no from me.

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CloverleafSaint28@reddit

City-dwelling millennials without kids. They don't need a giant SUV to tow wake boats or haul the kids to hockey practice. They just wanted an efficient commuter vehicle that looks cool.

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jdmb0y@reddit

You speak as if they are some exotic creature. And why would any of that point to the Prelude as being the choice?

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CloverleafSaint28@reddit

Fast and the Furious, bro! (but just the first three of them) Zippy little three-door hatchbacks will always be cool!

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Potential-Ant-6320@reddit

My mom wants a small slightly premium hybrid. This is more or less the only option.

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ubiqn@reddit

I would consider it once my DSG GTI bites the dust. I'm really hoping Honda tunes the suspension on the Prelude to be more sporty than the Civic. I have a manual Cayman that scratches the itch of driving manual so I welcome a smooth automatic as my daily.

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Funny_Frame1140@reddit

Yeah I was hoping it'd be a cool 86/BRZ competitor but its not

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BlackDS@reddit

I guess it's a return to the 90's sport economy coupe. Like the Toyota Paseo, Geo Storm, etc

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Please_Take_Me_Home@reddit

There isn't one.

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Lancer876@reddit

I'm extremely curious to see how this will differentiate itself from the accords or hybrids. I'm hoping it gets some sportiness and character, because the same power train with 2 doors seems like a hard sell.

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TheSkyline35@reddit

At this point, slap a god damn manual to your hybrid system you coward, you already did it decades ago

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Equivalent-Money8202@reddit

the civic already simulates a transmission

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Racer20@reddit

It won’t

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Randragon@reddit

I would have really considered buying this new to replace my manual CR-Z if it came in manual.. I know the market is small but would have been perfect for my wants/needs

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TheSkyline35@reddit

Same, loved my CR-Z, would buy something similar and a bit bigger.

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HankSteakfist@reddit

This is the CRZ all over again. Market an enthusiast car that doesn't appeal to enthusiasts.

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no_flair@reddit

I think the issue was the CRZ wasn't that sporty as an enthusiast car and wasn't that fuel efficient for a hybrid. At least this new Prelude has the horsepower and torque to be sporty and the fuel efficiency to be a decent hybrid. Still wish it had a manual like the CRZ though. Civic Si/Type R engine/trans swapped Prelude when

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TheSkyline35@reddit

CR-Z wasn't Prius level, but it was very fuel efficient out of a city, it was similar to a same power gasoil car. And the very engaging little package and very fun engine gearbox combo made it a fantastic fun car. This won't. It simply won't because it's way bigger, way heavier and is cleared of all driver engagement. Wtf honda give the manual a last round before the EV age

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Niko740@reddit

The CRZ is sorta what this thing is honestly. And 200hp isn't really anything to play with considering it's going to be a heavy hybrid

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Sonoda_Kotori@reddit

At least the CRZ has a manual and a boost button for the electric motor.

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PlatinumElement@reddit

The whole time I owned mine, I wondered if the button even did anything. The car was a ton of fun to drive on a mountain pass though.

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PlatinumElement@reddit

Hey now. I’m an enthusiast and loved my manual CRZ. No manual in the Prelude means I’m losing all interest in it.

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AGrizzledBear@reddit

Enthusiasts who've actually driven the CRZ have plenty of good things to say about the car... People sitting on their phones reading exaggerated hot take reviews aren't the enthusiasts Honda was aiming for

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Swede_Chef@reddit

Its pretty much "slow car fast" like the original CRX.

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ducky21@reddit

I’ve owned a CRX DX and a CRZ EX. The CRZ is just slow. It’s not a momentum car, it’s way too heavy and the Torsion beam from the Fit is very noticeable in a much heavier car. It had a lot of great standard features, but I hated the car. I traded it for a 1.0L Fiesta which was faster, more fuel efficient, more fun to drive, more practical with more room for stuff and people, and the doors reliably opened, unlike the CRZ.

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AGrizzledBear@reddit

2700 pounds is heavy? I guess compared to a CRX DX it's heavy, but those are starkly different in weight, power, etc. I agree that people calling it a momentum car are romanticizing as if they drive on track every day, you're not going to feel that kind of sportiness on the day to day. But, I disagree that it's slow, it just has to be driven at the absolute limit to find it's speed, which is what makes it fun for me. Granted, I can't just blast past anyone at any moment with ease like a mustang gt, but I can if I plan for it and shift into the correct gear lol

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ducky21@reddit

The most damning thing I can say about my CRZ 6MT is that the entire time I had it, I wished I had had a Fit with HIDs and automatic climate control and the other CRZ only creature comforts. 2nd gen Fits are just better cars in every single way.

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AGrizzledBear@reddit

Thank you, perfect description.

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Infectiousmaniac@reddit

IE almost every honda ever. I say this as an S2k owner.

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waveradar@reddit

Those at least had a Manuel

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xFOEx@reddit

Jus admit it, joo juan one.

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XSC@reddit

¿Que?

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0oodruidoo0@reddit

I kinda like my friend's CR-Z FWIW it's pretty cheap at 10k NZD good quality low mileage used here in NZ - that's 6.1k USD, but exchange rates fluctuate regularly by a few cents a dollar. Manual car, reversing camera, seat heaters, gets you around. Not a performance car by any stretch but nowadays here in NZ not that expensive, either.

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Panda_Panda69@reddit

I absolutely love the CRZ and I think I’ll get it as my first (bought by myself) car. As apparently I’ll get my mother’s Clio as a first car

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esserstein@reddit

I have a CRZ and a mk5 Prelude, I like both a great deal. I will still consider that mk5 the last of the 'ludes when this comes out. You can say a lot of the CRZ's lack of power, but it was never boring, it was saved by its manual transmission imo.

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flopping-deuces@reddit

Not buying it! Not judging people who only drive automatics but manuals are just so good to new.

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zer0__obscura@reddit

Boooooo

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

It probably doesn’t matter but I’m sure the market for entry level enthusiasts who want an efficient manual isn’t nothing.

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Smash_4dams@reddit

Entry-level enthusiasts who want an efficient manual basically have to buy pre-2008 cars. Most modern manuals suck with rev hang and you have to shift slower.

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joeislandstranded@reddit

My 24 WRX TR has no rev hang, and the clutch is great. The shifter is not so great, but there’s an aftermarket for that

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Spirit-S65@reddit

I mean shit, STI straight up has an optional short shifter you can get on the VB. Drove it and pretty good, not Honda smooth but tight.

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joeislandstranded@reddit

I have the STi shifter and a shift stop. It’s ok. Just not great and that’s fine. I don’t hate it. It’s part of the character of the car.

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Spirit-S65@reddit

Yeah it's like notchy, the VB I drove also had the Group N engine mounts and that helped too

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TheDrunkenMatador@reddit

The VBs are ugly but I’ve heard they finally dialed out the rev hang

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TheDrunkenMatador@reddit

Pretty much everything is going to rev hang nowadays because otherwise you get a bunch of unburnt fuel murdering your city fuel economy (and thus your CAFE) scores.

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Pmang6@reddit

"enthusiast" is already a teeny tiny niche market, narrowing it down further than that is not realistic.

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

I get what you’re trying to say but I’d argue I have 3 different niche enthusiast cars in my flare already.

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Pmang6@reddit

One of which is no longer sold and the other two are just variations on a standard model. Building a ground up enthusiast focused car is a whole different ballgame.

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

I’m lost on your overarching point. You’re saying it’s not worth making different types of enthusiast vehicles? Or are you just being contradictory? Because a manual transmission in this case is just a variant of vehicle that’s about to exist.

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

I’m lost on your overarching point. You’re saying it’s not worth making different types of enthusiast vehicles? Or are you just being contradictory?

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Potential-Ant-6320@reddit

I’m that market and I rather have a Honda fit. That said my fit is so valuable I could probably trade it in for a brand new hybrid.

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WigginIII@reddit

At this point I want to save any transmission that isn’t CVT.

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mon_chunk@reddit

This is the reason why I bought a 24 GTI with the DSG. I'm so sick of CVTs and I live in an area with insane amounts of traffic so a manual wasn't really a logic option for me. This car is sticking with me until it falls apart.

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rockycrab@reddit

From my understanding the "CVT" in Honda/Toyota/other hybrids aren't really traditional CVTs, probably shouldn't even count as a transmission. The electric motors are essentially direct drive.

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Captain_Alaska@reddit

Honda eHEV hybrids don't have a transmission.

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emurange205@reddit

Like a turboelectric drive system in a ship?

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0oodruidoo0@reddit

I didn't know that about the e:HEV transmission - or therefore lack of. Thanks.

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Shitadviceguy@reddit

I know that's the case with Nissan ePower which is a full EV drivetrain/sequential hybrid I think Honda is the same depending on the car. But Toyota still use the eCVT and it feels very much like a cvt

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Fs_ginganinja@reddit

E-CVT’s are peak automatic transmission IMO, perfect linear power all the way through with no hesitation or shifts. Toyotas is especially good in a commuter or basic car. I’d love to drive a sports car with one and see how it is. But I really wish we’d have gotten a manual in this :(

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THALANDMAN@reddit

My CRV Hybrid has the smoothest transmission I’ve ever drive outside of a pure EV, which is what it basically feels like between 0-30 MPH in most situations. You can hear when the gas motor kicks in but you quite feel it in the power delivery.

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GTOdriver04@reddit

I just drove a 2025 Camry and I can confirm that’s exactly how it is.

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StatusCount7032@reddit

^This. They should stop calling them cvt.

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dupagwova@reddit

Most of those people can't afford a new car

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OldRed91@reddit

The cheapest manual for sale in the US is the Nissan Versa, and I don't exactly see those flying off the lots unfortunately

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mustangfan12@reddit

Unfortunately I feel like the issue is that its a really small niche now, so there's only a couple of auto makers that are going to do it. The Miata and BRZ fill the niche pretty well. But even then with the Miata Mazda said their take rate for manual was around 60 percent

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rconn1469@reddit

CRZ part two

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pepperoni_za@reddit

Lame.

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Lil-Gazebo@reddit

So just more fwd hybrid CVT slop? They could've at least bothered and put the civic SI powertrain on it right?

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Racer20@reddit

A car like this with no manual seems pretty boring. How many cheap low-powered sports coupe have ever made waves without a manual transmission?

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Racer20@reddit

The manual gives the car enthusiast credibility that bleeds over into the casuals that buy the auto. If the car didn’t have a manual, it wouldn’t have gotten nearly the reputation as THE budget sports car to have in the first place and it would have never gotten a second gen. This thing will be forgotten about 6 months after it launches and dead after 1 gen because very few actual enthusiasts will buy it, so YouTube and press exposure will die down quickly after the initial launch.

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geardownson@reddit

I agree to a point. This is my first time seeing this car and if they went with 1 of 3 options it would actually be exciting because it's a good looking car to me. 1 manual 2 turbo 3 very stout na motor. LSD should have come standard if your spending 30k+. But they didn't do any of it and just threw out a name with a good looking car that has the performance of a minivan. That's really sad.

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NotoriousCFR@reddit

If it helps, I have my doubts that it'll be "cheap".

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Potential-Ant-6320@reddit

Should be similar to the hybrid civic, >$40k

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Potential-Ant-6320@reddit

This car is intended to be boring.

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devastationz@reddit

Quick google search says 70-80% of GR86 orders are automatic. So….

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Caqtus95@reddit

Without a reliable source I straight up don't believe you.

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NKJL@reddit

[this](https://www.motor1.com/news/705017/manual-transmission-sales-2023/#:~:text=A%20spokesperson%20tells%20us%20that%20for%202023%2C%2048%20percent%20of,5%2C317%20and%201%2C140%20units%2C%20respectively.) says the manual take rates in the US for the gr86 and gr supra are 48% and 43% respectively last year

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Toadxx@reddit

The numbers for the 86 *are* misleading, though. It's not so much "take" rate as just "sell" rate, because Toyota doesn't give you a choice. They decide exactly what trims, with what options, and how many of each, will be produced. You cannot specifically order a manual. The numbers are *literally* predetermined for the 86.

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TempleSquare@reddit

>orders You can't "order" a Toyota Toyota *allocates* cars to dealership. And they sell what Toyota corporate give them. Toyota corporate *guessed* that the take rate for manuals was 30 percent, so that's what they built and allocated. Self fulfilling prophecy.

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byebyepixel@reddit

How can it be self fulfilling if Toyota 86's still outsell the BRZ. Are manual buyers deliberately looking to purchase an automatic 86 over a manual BRZ?

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Toadxx@reddit

Toyota will **always** sell more 86's than Subaru will sell BRZ. It is literally part of their contract, that Subaru will produce more 86's than BRZ's, iirc at a 3:1 ratio. Toyota selling more 86's than Subaru selling BRZ's doesn't actually mean as much as it sounds. There physically are more 86's, so statistically you would expect them to sell more regardless. That being said, Subaru, who **does** let you **actually** order a car... sells *more* manual BRZ's than autos, and if you go onto forums for the twins, plenty of people who wanted manuals did settle for autos.

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Disturbed_Bard@reddit

Subaru have a waitlist, they aren't pumping out as many as the Toyota, so impatient idiots who can't wait just get the 86 in Auto

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pkb11174@reddit

95% of GR86 in the UK are manual transmission.

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Fujita21@reddit

70-80% of 86 SALES are automatic. There are no 86 orders. Buyers get whatever dealers have, and dealers are given whatever Toyota decides to make. It just so happens that they like making a disproportionate number of autos. BRZs, miatas, and WRXs usually hover around 70-80% manual.

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bobovicus@reddit

People were upset that they were taking all the fun out of the ACCORD by replacing the 2.0T with the Hybrid. Putting the same powertrain in what should be a notably sportier car is just empty headed.

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unclaimed_username2@reddit

Good. Fuck manuals.

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daxelkurtz@reddit

Curious if this is just the prelude to a Type R... which has the K20C1 *and* a hybrid motor.

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Bladex20@reddit

another car dead in the water before it hits the dealers

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Throwawaymytrash77@reddit

Does it at the very least have paddleshifters?

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yourfriendlyraver@reddit

Why even bother making this? It’ll get cancelled in 3 years.

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RiftHunter4@reddit

I'm so suspicious of how the Prelude will perform. Do people not understand how Honda's hybrid system works? >The coupe will have the same hybrid powertrain that is in the updated 2025 Honda Civic lineup, which is a good move given how well it performs. >the Prelude will be engineered to shift differently. Notably, you will feel the downshifts [Honda's Hybrid System](https://global.honda/en/tech/two_motor_hybrid_system_honda_eHEV/) doesn't shift gears. There's no real transmission. It's designed only to connect the engine to the driveshaft at certain speeds when it's more efficient. It is basically a single-speed gearbox. The rest of the time, the engine is just "shifting" to power the generator and to feel like a normal car. You are basically driving a BEV with a really big range extender. I have no doubt that Honda can make a car feel sporty, but I highly doubt it'll meet what enthusiasts expect. If they're reusing the current hybrid system, there's just no way this is going to be what most enthusiasts are expecting.

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Equivalent-Money8202@reddit

Honda’s e:hev iMMD simulates a gear shift. The engine suddenly drops its RPM for a split second, and you also feel a slight shock as if the car was shifting(this part I don’t actually know how they do, maybe just the vibrations from the RPM change?) You can hear this in any review of the hybrid. It also detects when you’re driving “spiritedly”, like if you’re on a B-Road, and it starts holding the revs higher. Source: I’ve been an owner for a year, in Europe, where they use the same system

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RiftHunter4@reddit

The biggest problem I see from the enthusiast side is going to be tuning. You'd need to upgrade the motor, batteries, and generator (assuming you can) and then upgrade the engine for running the generator, not the wheels. It's certainly not going to be like the Si or Type-R where people squeeze performance from it. In the bright side, this means the pricing might be reasonable.

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Equivalent-Money8202@reddit

obvs nobody will tune these.

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RiftHunter4@reddit

I don't think its obvious to the people hearing about the new car. The past preludes were all decent tuning platforms. I suspect this will be like the NSX and i8: a good car that enthusiasts don't care about.

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Dp04@reddit

Honda Executive confirms company has no idea why people want a prelude.

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NotoriousCFR@reddit

And then after a couple years, they’ll discontinue it because it wasn’t selling well

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wip30ut@reddit

this is about as exciting as their base Integra! obviously doesn't cost them anything to retool their factories to make these since its basically a 2-door civic but it just seem so lazy.

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thefizzlee@reddit

I was really hoping it would be a successor to the crz with an updated hybrid power train with a manual transmission and more power.

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Dan_E26@reddit

So....a Civic Hybrid, but with less practicality, same performance and a higher price tag (and shittier availability, most likely) I'm a Honda fan to the point of being an apologist but this one's DOA, unfortunately.

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ImportunerDJ@reddit

Here’s the deal. Most of us in here will want a manual to be offered and it’s truly the only way to bring back the manual. However….how many of us would actually buy it? We either have more powerful cars, a better track car or we say we want it but choose to drive more optimal DD for our needs. Honda isn’t going to spend money on R&D if the Type R and Type S is the only manual they need in there lineup. Save the manuals unfortunately…didn’t really save the manuals. It made it more niche and it inflated costs since now manuals are only “enthusiasts” level cars.

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AstronautGuy42@reddit

Wow. I was actually going to buy this car if it had enough horsepower and came with a manual. Guess not

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DudeWhereIsMyDuduk@reddit

Cowards.

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instantur@reddit

Excitement killed

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PCPrincipal2016@reddit

Ooo nice! Another 200hp FWD car from Honda. NEXT!

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UnmakingTheBan2022@reddit

Hahahahaha!!!

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xFOEx@reddit

"Honda Executive Confirms Prelude Will be all the rage with Hairdressers." "Honda Executive Confirms Prelude Will be the HOT Graduation Gift for Upper Middle Class Cheerleaders." "Honda Executive Confirms Prelude Won't be Attracting 86/BRZ Platform Buyers."

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TheAnon13@reddit

I expected the no manual news but I’m just so disappointed again by the 200hp engine. Like seriously Honda, your coupes have had the same power for like 20 years now. I wonder if the execs over there just don’t that numbers of 200 exist

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markeydarkey2@reddit

>I was really hoping they would put that Accord 2.0 engine in this. 🤓☝️ Technically it does have a 2.0L engine from the (hybrid) Accord, though it's not the turbocharged K20 found in the previous Accord that they also use in the Type-R. I wouldn't expect much tunability from this either, the engine essentially acts as a generator with an electric motor used for propulsion at lower speeds.

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Racer20@reddit

Has Honda ever made a car with more than 200hp?

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FocussedXMAN@reddit

Accord V6/Sport/Euro R, Civic Type R, Civic Si, Prelude SH, S2000, both generations of NSX, Passport, Pilot, Ridgeline & Integra Type R

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0oodruidoo0@reddit

mate owns a cayman, an S4 and a M3 but can't remember the two different versions of the NS-X

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hoopercuber@reddit

can’t tell if this is sarcasm

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Dp04@reddit

What 2.0 engine are you talking about? Don’t they all have 200 HP now?

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TheAnon13@reddit

Yeah I meant the last gen accords 2.0t that put out 250hp but they’re never bringing that back it seems

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David_Summerset@reddit

And just like that, my wildest dream vanished into thin air

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asdfoneplusone@reddit

Honda has the engineering talent but none of the managerial willpower to make something new and cool anymore. I say that as an s2k owner

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valdocs_user@reddit

At least they made it easy for me to save my money.

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bwoah_gimmethedrink@reddit

I'm curious how it will sell in Europe, because we don't get the new small coupes like the BRZ/GT86 or the new Nissan Z. MX5 and Supra are pretty much the only cheaper sports cars (well with Supra maybe not that cheap). But yeah, with no manual and not that much horsepower I don't see this being a hit.

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Equivalent-Money8202@reddit

we do have BRZs and GR86s in Europe

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TheCanadianShield99@reddit

It just looks like a Civic coupe. The proportions are all wrong. Failure.

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BakaNoBullet@reddit

This doesn't make much sense. The Civic Hybrid does not have a transmission at all. The Civic Hybrid being a seemingly good car bodes well I would think. Regardless of what the majority of enthusiasts will say on this sub. this isn't the 122-hp CRZ that everybody's comparing this to. People will buy this.

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Equivalent-Money8202@reddit

the civic hybrid simulates gear shifts

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ChicanoAristotle@reddit

Ha!

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cypher50@reddit

So stupid... At this point I would be happy with just their bog standard 6-speed manual that they use in every product. Hopefully this means that they are going to have a type r trim level with a manual.

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Successful_Ad_9707@reddit

Well then, say goodbye to most enthusiasts who were even considering buying this. Why on earth would you not offer a manual in a car like this??? A manual would probably be the one saving grace a car like this has. Smooth move, Honda...

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DM725@reddit

Womp womp womp

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Hell_its_about_time@reddit

There is nothing about this car that says Prelude. This car has nothing to do with the original Honda Prelude.

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onyourrite@reddit

[“You got games on your phone?”](https://www.motortrend.com/files/668be3b88e1e6b00081434c4/2025hondapreludeconceptcoupe7.png)

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Bonerchill@reddit

Honda Quaalude.

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TheMineA7@reddit

Isnt it a hybrid engine? Are there any hybrid manuals? I don't remember any of the top of my head

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77Jmo@reddit

I personally love a 2 door. My last 3 cars have all been a Honda 2 door (08 Accord, 10 Civic & 13 Civic). I'd probably still be driving the 08 Accord if gasoline hadn't gone to over $5/gal in 2010, but i do love my Civic. I haven't even thought about buying a new car since Honda discontinued the 2 doors. I will be taking a very close look at the Prelude when it arrives.

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Ryan3395@reddit

Anyone who knows anything about Honda’s current hybrid drivetrain knew this was going to be the case.

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angelorsinner@reddit

I have the 2007 Honda Civic Hatchback. Best car ever.. but its getting a bit old and family too big

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Leek5@reddit

Why not just call it something else? Seems like they’re just using the name in hopes people will buy it for nostalgia

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Slivovic@reddit

Quickly go get yourself a Golf R, last year of manual. I did and no regrets.

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urtechhatesyou@reddit

I think the theft audience are those kids in tiktok bathing in rotten Coke milk while kissing their sibling. Hell, there are adults my age who cannot drive a stick. So yeah, this is the future, no stick.

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IB-1-RU12@reddit

Hondas really aren’t what they used to be eh?

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Beerded-1@reddit

I hope they don’t do the same thing to the RSX when they reestablish it in the market.

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austin1d2@reddit

anddd they just killed their target audience. again. just make a small, light, enthusiast car with a manual

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Calgrei@reddit

From my understanding of how the current Honda hybrid system works, I don't think it's actually possible to put in a manual unless they make significant changes to their hybrid system

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Niko740@reddit

So your saying the BRAND NEW Prelude can't muster any more horsepower than a Prelude from almost 30 ago?

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SqotCo@reddit

Honda is probably following the Supra playbook of initially disappointing people with an underwhelming car to then eventually offering an overpriced higher powered manual transmission performance trim Prelude. Nissan also followed the same playbook with the Z. Why? To not compete very well with the BRZ? Regardless I think this tired playbook is why a lot of younger enthusiasts end up buying the faster Mustang GT or Camaro SS.

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Niko740@reddit

You can buy a manual Z...

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viper_polo@reddit

Is anyone else excited for this car simply for the fact it's a 'affordable' 2 door coupe on the market again? I prefer is to a Civic etc simply because it's more *special* having 2 doors. Bulk of Preludes back in the day are autos, being a high tech GT coupe, this fits the same market and although isn't as exciting I'm still glad it'll exist.

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zeno0771@reddit

> Back in January Honda engineers...said they had developed a synthetic manual transmission for future EVs. I once put a shifter on a bicycle when i was 8 years old. It didn't do anything either. > Honda is also working on a new digital UX system that allows you to choose which iconic vehicle’s artificial sounds you want to hear upon acceleration and punctuate gear shifts. Okay so the Corvette has fake engine noises along with a few other models but we're in full pants-on-head crazy mode here. Am I the only one who thinks this is THE most ridiculous idea ever? Like, driving a Honda with AI-triggered downshifts and overrun sounds from a Ferrari V12 is going to make you feel like you're living the experience while all the drivers around you are giving you Sir-this-is-a-Wendy's looks and wondering what your car insurance bill looks like. When Mazda wanted an iconic exhaust note for the Miata, they sampled one from a British sports car, then built the Miata exhaust to sound similar. I don't recall a single one running afoul of any jurisdictional noise ordinances. If you want to pretend, include a Playstation with the price of the car (which will surely be high enough to cover the cost).

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Racer20@reddit

I think “Larry, I’m on ducktales” should be the new “Sir ,this is a Wendy’s”

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Huge_Source1845@reddit

Anyone else initially read NPOE on the shifter?

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rationis@reddit

Oh, so they're just reintroducing the Civic coupe then. Brilliant way to bastardize the original product.

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DarkMatterM4@reddit

The Civic coupe at least had a manual option.

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NotoriousCFR@reddit

>The coupe will have the same hybrid powertrain that is in the updated 2025 Honda Civic lineup, 25 years later and the best they can do is match the horsepower of the 5th-gen, in a package that is inevitably going to be heavier and less nimble. Zzzzzz. I realize that horsepower isn't everything but I mean, come on. It needs about 30-40 more just to properly fill the role of a spiritual succesor to its own previous generation.

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bobovicus@reddit

Honda had so many things they could have done with the Prelude name to get enthusiasts excited about upcoming hybrids, and they choose to give it the most appliance oriented powertrain they have on offer. Their iMMD system has so much potential for enthusiast options. They could have a full physical manual gearset, and then they could have their serial hybrid mode potentially built right into the shifter. Hell, even a simulated Manual transmission would have been fantastic. It's working wonders for the Ioniq 5 N with its paddle shifters. Honda's already mastered mimicking an automatic transmission with their current crop of hybrids. I'm in a position where I'm planning on consolidating down to one car for everything, and this news just takes all the air out of the excitement of this car. this isn't the move you make when you talk it up about needing to be an engaging to drive vehicle. Yes, it's a good powertrain, but it isn't what people are looking for in a Prelude.

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StatusCount7032@reddit

Can Honda just made the hrv w their hybrid system? That’s all I ask.

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yobo9193@reddit

A stylish hybrid coupe honestly sounds great, even without a manual

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scycron@reddit

The problem is how many people are going to buy a stylish commuter coupe for their 1 car garage. This is a great 3rd car after you have a sports car and an SUV for your family.

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europeanperson@reddit

This just feels like the new scion tc, that sold decent enough. I assume it will be a similar demographic.

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eldusto84@reddit

I confirm no Prelude for me then

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dairygoatrancher@reddit

That's a real shame. I thought it was cool that for being a hybrid, the first gen Honda Insight featured a manual transmission. In fact, I remember in the 90s and 2000s, if you had a souped up Honda, it ALWAYS had a manual transmission. Now they just have boring ass slushboxes or God forbid, a CVT.

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Occhrome@reddit

totally on brand for honda. im sure it will be a very fine daily driver, but not actually fun or exciting.

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SchleifmittelSchwanz@reddit

If people were buying enough manual cars for it to make business sense, they would offer them.

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killshelter@reddit

If it comes in at 20k there will definitely be a market. Fresh gen Z graduates with their first real paycheck looking for a sporty car. But yeah if it’s closer to 30 it direct it doesn’t make any sense.

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DocPhilMcGraw@reddit (OP)

I mean I hate to burst your bubble but there is no chance this comes in at $20k. It will most likely start above $30k as a premium on the Civic Hybrid which starts at $28,750. I don’t think you could reasonably think it would start at $20k which would make it cheaper than a Corolla.

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killshelter@reddit

I’m well aware it won’t, I was just saying if it did I could see a market. So yeah I don’t see this doing too well in sales. Especially without a performance aftermarket.

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DocPhilMcGraw@reddit (OP)

But there would be no way for it to come in at $20k based on what we know of it so far. So I’m not sure why you would even pose that as a hypothetical when it wouldn’t be possible.

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killshelter@reddit

Nah. I was saying how I could see it having a market if that were the case. Don’t blow a gasket over this bud.

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DocPhilMcGraw@reddit (OP)

I’m not. You seemed more inclined to be defensive when I was pointing out that there was no shot of this ever coming in less than a Corolla. In no universe would that ever happen, so to even make it a hypothetical doesn’t make any sense.

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