Compared to like 90% of drivers who are constantly distracted, I’ll take a handful who very occasionally do a run like this, ultra focused on the task at hand (driving). Yes it’s very dangerous and shouldn’t be openly encouraged but this take is lame.
Exactly. Even I as young as I am understand that if you were doing this you need a 2nd man to drive. After a while you get tired, and at 120 you need to be alert.
1000% this. I drove Lyft/Uber for a while and once did about 12hrs straight, only stopping for bathroom. And that’s when you start to notice that your reactions are slowing and delayed. Immediately drove home.
The apps will let you drive for 16hrs. That’s insane to me, I think I would have seriously messed up myself or someone else if I kept going.
Never drove more than 10 at a time after that just to be safe
Back before elogs came to be, it wasn't uncommon for us to take some pcp and run dual logs so we could run 20+ hours. It was dumb, but the money was great.
Agreed. I miss the money, but I don't miss the risk that came with running two or three paper log books. I'm hourly so elogs don't apply, but they are hugely beneficiary to regulating the industry.
I’ve done 1000-1200 mile runs a couple dozen times on the East coast and by the end of it the no sleep gets tough, and that’s only 16-20 hours. 27 hours is too much for one person
I have no problem up to about 18 hours. More than that gets difficult. But that's for easy driving, normal speeds, relatively empty roads. 15 on busy roads is about my limit. (12-13 in the Elise for comfort reasons.) 27 is hard to imagine, at over 100mph I would need a nap about halfway on.
You’re sitting here saying that people who run cannonballs are F1 drivers were just bored. Most of middle-age men with nothing more than 20 years of driving through the regular streets. Lol
It was interesting when there was a national speed limit and enthusiast cars struggled to reach 100mph. Now doing 100mph on the interstate is just keeping up with traffic. The drive I take to go on vacation is 350 miles and I usually do it in 4 hours, even though an hour of that is on a 2 lane road with a 45mph speed limit.
Yeah I definitely more mean the "modern" interpretation of it. A guy that used to live around here filled the bed of his truck with fuel tanks and did it, and people fucking loved it. I get more excitement out of rescuing a car out of a junkyard.
??? Not sure how that relates to this discussion, I owned an Audi A6 (related to the S6 which was used for the current cannonball record) before this car if that somehow validates my thoughts.
I didn't write the article either, but I do think we should probably step back for a moment and think a bit about potential outcomes from the normalization of cannonball runs.
Like it may not be a terrible idea to quit before legislators cite cannonballing as a reason to require insurance speed trackers or something.
I’d be ok with speed trackers if it meant there was a fuckin sick cannonball run that forced the government’s hand. Like the rig had a MIB jet engine or some wild shit.
Yep. What's stopping insurance companies from lobbying the NTHSA for federally required speed tracking that they could use to charge higher rates? Cannonballing gives attention to sustained high speed driving the same way coal-rollers gave attention to emissions-defeating tunes.
The unfortunate news is that basically every modern car already has a way of tracking speed that can be sent remotely, but there aren't federal requirements to do so. I fear that too much normalization of sustained high-speed driving on US roads could get the attention of insurance company lobbyists & senators, which could use it as a reason to legislate tracking + transmitting speed data.
Not singling out anyone in particular since I don't watch VWiki as much as I used to, but there's just details around some of the car stories are just unbelievable imo.
There’s lots of things to worry about in the world that I can’t fret about simultaneously.
My point is 40,000 people will die on us roadways this year, and its very likely none of them will be the result of a someone performing a cannonball run. As childish and illegal as it is and should be, the odds of you crossing paths with one are extremely unlikely, let along be struck by one.
But everyday you are passing folks that aren’t paying attention, that are drunk, that are tired, that literally don’t know how to properly operate a vehicle.
I’d trust someone doing a cannonball run than a typical driver any day.
Mandatory speed trackers, a push for more connected vehicles, banning things like radar detectors, etc.
In a similar vein, coal rolling morons called attention to tuning, and the EPA is going after companies that sell tuning software for things beyond diesel trucks.
Those are coming regardless. I don't really see the federal government requiring implementation of these things because a half-dozen people try to break a coast-to-coast record each year.
Honestly, I'm sure it's more of lobbying from insurance companies pushing these technologies. That way, they have more ammo to deny claims, raise rates, and act in the best interest of their bottom line. It will be great because they can deny accident coverage because you were speeding, raise your rates if you drove during a snow storm, and so on. Those OBD2 scanners they pushed hard a decade or so ago were just a way to prove the benefit codification.
So, I actually read the article after I had my mini outrage from the clickbait title and the author has a point. Without any highstakes pressure this is just a glorified speeding challange.
This is incorrect. The Nürburgring is a privately owned road where the owners have decided traffic rules still apply. You absolutely can't take anything to drive there, it has to be road legal and registered with valid inspection and insurance (so no dealership registrations either), and it must be similar to a regular passenger car or motorcycle in driving dynamics. You are not allowed to bring pickup trucks, camper vans, offroaders or motorcycles with sidecars for example.
The nurburgring is a privately owned racetrack first and foremost that also happens to technically be a toll road. I guess you could call it public because it's open to the public but it is privately owned with extensive maintenance to ensure that it's safe for high speeds, that's what the toll pays for.
The whole point of the race was that it was an outlaw protest. This is more "Americana" like buying a truck when you live in a city and really should have bought a minivan or smaller SUV (oh no they're going to put me in a cars circlejerk compilation now).
The beauty of it is that the illegality that gives it such a cool appeal means that you can't ban it. It only gets cooler as it becomes harder. COVID cannonball times for example
All these ‘runs’ are just excuses for rich people to mob to a different hotel/city every night to party.
Jodie Kidd called it on TG like 20 yrs ago
Anybody still trying to do these speed runs unironically is likely a dumb-ass social media clout chasers who has no interest in the historical significance of the era.
I feel like none of the comments seem like they've actually read the article or engaged with the central idea. It isn't "Cannonball Run bad." It used to be a competition about maintaining the highest speed for a long distance while evading the law. Now that there's little to no highway traffic enforcement, it's just treating the US as a giant Autobahn without the challenge it's classically had.
it feels like kneejerk reactions to the title from temporarily embarrassed cannonballers, who would be out there getting the record themselves if only they had the means, skill, brains or courage.
Alex Roy's recent commentary on Twitter was best. His point is that there's been no close calls no accidents and not one single speeding ticket during the cannonball runs.
A cannonball driver is prepared, has a well maintained vehicle, a vehicle that handles well. They have a plan and good driving skills.
It's the average driver that gets into accidents and gets speeding tickets.
There are drivers that have zero interest in driving and have no concept of good driving skills. Think of that kid recently that couldn't stop his car from speeding so he called his mom who then called 911. That should be a license suspension. It doesn't matter what anxiety you felt in the moment. You failed at maintaining control of you vehicle and you called your mom instead of 911. You should have to prove you're competent to drive along side the public.
I don't expect every license driver to be an enthusiast. I don't care of they think driving is a chore. But they should know and understand how to maintain control of a 3,500lb vehicle (soon to be an average of 5,000lb).
It seems weird to write an article about the spirit of the event and killing the event in the same article. Yes it’s dangerous, but no injuries have came to the public. I think there are better things to shake your fist at first before this.
It’s less dire now, but alas, the cannonball run can still exist to show that German-style open speed zones are viable and capable of being safe in some parts of rural America (primarily the Great Basin, Southwestern Deserts, much of Texas, and some parts of the Midwest). However, due to other traffic safety realities, it’s more viable to target speed limits on rural freeways (I-roads and anything built to such standards) being increased to 85mph (for cars, no more than 65-70mph for trucks, buses, and trailers) in general (similar to TX-130 near Austin) and maybe 90-100mph (realistically 95mph) on rural 3+3 freeways. Obviously, we cannot legalize people exceeding 70-75mph on suburban freeways by much of a margin due to various traffic flow issues, and obviously we don’t want people going beyond about 50-60mph on downtown freeways, but those are different from rural ones.
I know what I’ll say is theoretically nearly impossible and really expensive, but…
I’d like to see a Red Ball garage to Portofino race where the roads from those two locations are specifically shut down for a cannonball run. The only rules are that the car has to be street legal.
I know it’s like letting an Olympian use drugs, but at the same time, a part of me is like “fuck it, what’s the theoretical fastest time someone can get from red ball garage to the Portofino”.
Lurkinalldayy@reddit
Compared to like 90% of drivers who are constantly distracted, I’ll take a handful who very occasionally do a run like this, ultra focused on the task at hand (driving). Yes it’s very dangerous and shouldn’t be openly encouraged but this take is lame.
nuxes@reddit
Single driver Cannonball runs need to be shunned by car enthusiasts. There's no way someone is fully alert after 27 hours of driving.
MAY0NA1S3@reddit
Exactly. Even I as young as I am understand that if you were doing this you need a 2nd man to drive. After a while you get tired, and at 120 you need to be alert.
sysko960@reddit
1000% this. I drove Lyft/Uber for a while and once did about 12hrs straight, only stopping for bathroom. And that’s when you start to notice that your reactions are slowing and delayed. Immediately drove home.
The apps will let you drive for 16hrs. That’s insane to me, I think I would have seriously messed up myself or someone else if I kept going.
Never drove more than 10 at a time after that just to be safe
srcorvettez06@reddit
Truckers are out here driving 11 hours a day, working up to 14 (legally)
Jay_Diamond_WWE@reddit
Back before elogs came to be, it wasn't uncommon for us to take some pcp and run dual logs so we could run 20+ hours. It was dumb, but the money was great.
lilleulv@reddit
Thank fuck for elogs.
Jay_Diamond_WWE@reddit
Agreed. I miss the money, but I don't miss the risk that came with running two or three paper log books. I'm hourly so elogs don't apply, but they are hugely beneficiary to regulating the industry.
srcorvettez06@reddit
Oh I know. My grandpa was a trucker forever. I’m local log except and there’s days where I operate in the gray area.
lilleulv@reddit
There’s nothing gray about it, it’s explicitly illegal.
srcorvettez06@reddit
Local log except drivers can claim one 16 hour ‘long day’ during a week plus safe haven and weather exceptions.
inquisitiveimpulses@reddit
Off-road truckers up to 16 hours. MSHA
Saltwaterpapi@reddit
My maximum was 17 hours straight and I swore I would never do that again. 27 hours is preposterous.
DudeWhereIsMyDuduk@reddit
Even Le Mans banned single drivers for this reason.
ShadyDrunks@reddit
I’ve done 1000-1200 mile runs a couple dozen times on the East coast and by the end of it the no sleep gets tough, and that’s only 16-20 hours. 27 hours is too much for one person
gimpwiz@reddit
I have no problem up to about 18 hours. More than that gets difficult. But that's for easy driving, normal speeds, relatively empty roads. 15 on busy roads is about my limit. (12-13 in the Elise for comfort reasons.) 27 is hard to imagine, at over 100mph I would need a nap about halfway on.
Lurkinalldayy@reddit
Agreed, solo driver runs are insane.
FictionalContext@reddit
27 hours of 120 mph driving.
thegreyz@reddit
Gotta go faster and cut that time down to stay alert.
Dan-Flashes@reddit
These people have like 15 screens in their cars and you think they’re not distracted?
Ufccasual11@reddit
Everyone thinks they’re focused until they aren’t
DangerousPrune1989@reddit
You’re sitting here saying that people who run cannonballs are F1 drivers were just bored. Most of middle-age men with nothing more than 20 years of driving through the regular streets. Lol
Lurkinalldayy@reddit
You’re insinuating that just because I said “ultra focused” it equates to F1 driver levels of skill? Ok
DangerousPrune1989@reddit
You’re equating skill driver as “ultra focused”. You either are paying attention or you’re not, there’s no ultra focus 😂.
Lurkinalldayy@reddit
Not sure focus is an on-off switch but alright dude.
BooBooMaGooBoo@reddit
I'd rather share the road with a cannonballer than a suburban mom riding 1 car length off my ass at 80mph while handing her kids snacks and texting.
bmessina@reddit
I am very steeped in American car culture and I've never understood the allure of this. I just don't.
jasonmoyer@reddit
It was interesting when there was a national speed limit and enthusiast cars struggled to reach 100mph. Now doing 100mph on the interstate is just keeping up with traffic. The drive I take to go on vacation is 350 miles and I usually do it in 4 hours, even though an hour of that is on a 2 lane road with a 45mph speed limit.
bmessina@reddit
Yeah I definitely more mean the "modern" interpretation of it. A guy that used to live around here filled the bed of his truck with fuel tanks and did it, and people fucking loved it. I get more excitement out of rescuing a car out of a junkyard.
jasonmoyer@reddit
I think it would be interesting if they combined it with Lemons. See who can get cross country fastest in a $1000 car with no mods.
Particular_Virus_670@reddit
That's more or less the 2904. Doing it for under 1k isn't practical anymore.
strongmanass@reddit
That's essentially what Top Gear and Grand Tour specials were.
420blzit69daddy@reddit
We should organize one!
jasonmoyer@reddit
Oh man...
bmessina@reddit
10000000% I would watch that. The automotive struggle bus is entertainment gold for me.
a49991@reddit
Manifest Destiny meets 55mph national speed limit. Pretty damn Americana to me.
Mumblix_Grumph@reddit
This sounds like a Hyundai driver opinion.
markeydarkey2@reddit (OP)
??? Not sure how that relates to this discussion, I owned an Audi A6 (related to the S6 which was used for the current cannonball record) before this car if that somehow validates my thoughts.
I didn't write the article either, but I do think we should probably step back for a moment and think a bit about potential outcomes from the normalization of cannonball runs.
Like it may not be a terrible idea to quit before legislators cite cannonballing as a reason to require insurance speed trackers or something.
Slowhands12@reddit
I’d be ok with speed trackers if it meant there was a fuckin sick cannonball run that forced the government’s hand. Like the rig had a MIB jet engine or some wild shit.
markeydarkey2@reddit (OP)
I would prefer to not have federally mandated speed trackers.
Slowhands12@reddit
Bro congress couldn’t even mandate a covid vaccine, good luck getting any agreement on cars
RelevantJackWhite@reddit
Congress isn't in charge of this, the NHTSA is
markeydarkey2@reddit (OP)
Yep. What's stopping insurance companies from lobbying the NTHSA for federally required speed tracking that they could use to charge higher rates? Cannonballing gives attention to sustained high speed driving the same way coal-rollers gave attention to emissions-defeating tunes.
The unfortunate news is that basically every modern car already has a way of tracking speed that can be sent remotely, but there aren't federal requirements to do so. I fear that too much normalization of sustained high-speed driving on US roads could get the attention of insurance company lobbyists & senators, which could use it as a reason to legislate tracking + transmitting speed data.
Duct_tape_bandit@reddit
People who can replace the entire wiring harness in a car with one that just operates the engine abs and ac
Hustletron@reddit
They want federally mandated speed trackers for the data already anyways.
The legislation will happen because of greased palms, not this straw man of an argument hinging on cannonball runs.
PeterFechter@reddit
Make sure to vote accordingly then, the Secretary of the DoT is appointed by the President.
RelevantJackWhite@reddit
this is not the most important issue in the election, not by a long shot lol. I'm not voting based on this
PeterFechter@reddit
I will though.
RelevantJackWhite@reddit
that's certainly your prerogative! vote for whatever reasons you want, that's the beauty of it
PeterFechter@reddit
I would literally throw them into a microwave.
proscriptus@reddit
Vicky Scott has real automotive chops.
mopar39426ml@reddit
Being a former Supra owner (mk3) is probably a top highlight. If I recall it was drift modified at one point, too.
Drum_Eatenton@reddit
I can’t help but laugh.
Conscious_Candle2598@reddit
"It's wine o'clock somewhere hehehe"
murf_milo@reddit
The what will Ed Bolian make VinWiki videos about? Other than his Bugatti, of course.
Specialist-Size9368@reddit
VinWiki is such a circlejerk of we used to break the law, but its totes ok. Bunch of clowns.
FirstGearPinnedTW200@reddit
He’ll just go back to his day job of being Hoovie. I’m convinced they’re the same person.
TheNFSIdentity@reddit
Yeah, what are the VinWiki guests gonna lie about now then?
astrosdude91@reddit
There are some definite truth stretchers on there. But I am curious, who do you believe has been making stuff up on there?
TheNFSIdentity@reddit
Not singling out anyone in particular since I don't watch VWiki as much as I used to, but there's just details around some of the car stories are just unbelievable imo.
HighHokie@reddit
Much more concerned about distracted drivers killing dozens of folks daily.
markeydarkey2@reddit (OP)
Is there no room to be concerned about both?
HighHokie@reddit
There’s lots of things to worry about in the world that I can’t fret about simultaneously.
My point is 40,000 people will die on us roadways this year, and its very likely none of them will be the result of a someone performing a cannonball run. As childish and illegal as it is and should be, the odds of you crossing paths with one are extremely unlikely, let along be struck by one.
But everyday you are passing folks that aren’t paying attention, that are drunk, that are tired, that literally don’t know how to properly operate a vehicle.
I’d trust someone doing a cannonball run than a typical driver any day.
Old_Acanthaceae5198@reddit
Yup, shit is dumb and going to lead to dumb laws and restrictions.
Fergalicious-def@reddit
Like what, speed limits?
Ghost17088@reddit
Mandatory speed trackers, a push for more connected vehicles, banning things like radar detectors, etc.
In a similar vein, coal rolling morons called attention to tuning, and the EPA is going after companies that sell tuning software for things beyond diesel trucks.
DudeWhereIsMyDuduk@reddit
Virginia/DC say hi.
the_house_from_up@reddit
Those are coming regardless. I don't really see the federal government requiring implementation of these things because a half-dozen people try to break a coast-to-coast record each year.
Honestly, I'm sure it's more of lobbying from insurance companies pushing these technologies. That way, they have more ammo to deny claims, raise rates, and act in the best interest of their bottom line. It will be great because they can deny accident coverage because you were speeding, raise your rates if you drove during a snow storm, and so on. Those OBD2 scanners they pushed hard a decade or so ago were just a way to prove the benefit codification.
Old_Acanthaceae5198@reddit
Yeah that 🙄
TheMagicalBread@reddit
So, I actually read the article after I had my mini outrage from the clickbait title and the author has a point. Without any highstakes pressure this is just a glorified speeding challange.
sandwichmonger32@reddit
This lady's credentials are "I worked at NASA" and "I own a Toyota van now". And we are supposed to care about her opinion why?
donuthell@reddit
As someone who likes my GTI I’d appreciate the F250 blowing my doors off on the highway getting arrested and vehicle impounded.
C-C-X-V-I@reddit
Don't take it out on them that you're stuck in a junker
Dan-Flashes@reddit
These people should be in prison
Haematobic@reddit
Hahaha. Nope.
BrandonNeider@reddit
yeah just kill another piece of Americana. Should close the nuburgring for public driving also, just encourages recklessness.
markeydarkey2@reddit (OP)
Comparing a carefully maintained private race track to public roads shared with regular traffic seems a bit disingenuous.
AFrozen_1@reddit
The Nurburgring is a public toll road. Anybody and everybody can take anything and everything to the Nurburgring.
New-Ocelot4798@reddit
This is incorrect. The Nürburgring is a privately owned road where the owners have decided traffic rules still apply. You absolutely can't take anything to drive there, it has to be road legal and registered with valid inspection and insurance (so no dealership registrations either), and it must be similar to a regular passenger car or motorcycle in driving dynamics. You are not allowed to bring pickup trucks, camper vans, offroaders or motorcycles with sidecars for example.
BriarsandBrambles@reddit
Nurburgring is as public as Cedar Point.
markeydarkey2@reddit (OP)
The nurburgring is a privately owned racetrack first and foremost that also happens to technically be a toll road. I guess you could call it public because it's open to the public but it is privately owned with extensive maintenance to ensure that it's safe for high speeds, that's what the toll pays for.
baconinstitute@reddit
The whole point of the race was that it was an outlaw protest. This is more "Americana" like buying a truck when you live in a city and really should have bought a minivan or smaller SUV (oh no they're going to put me in a cars circlejerk compilation now).
The beauty of it is that the illegality that gives it such a cool appeal means that you can't ban it. It only gets cooler as it becomes harder. COVID cannonball times for example
Wetlen29@reddit
wtf does nurburgring has to do with that?!
Orangepinapples@reddit
They were being sarcastic.
Wetlen29@reddit
i hope so cause i aint letting it happen till i drive there xd
sleepyguy007@reddit
Written by of course one of the communists that also writes for im so shocked jalopnik
Bonerchill@reddit
Question: what makes them communist?
Orangepinapples@reddit
Shut up nerd
ChrisPnCrunchy@reddit
All these ‘runs’ are just excuses for rich people to mob to a different hotel/city every night to party.
Jodie Kidd called it on TG like 20 yrs ago
Anybody still trying to do these speed runs unironically is likely a dumb-ass social media clout chasers who has no interest in the historical significance of the era.
JALbert@reddit
I feel like none of the comments seem like they've actually read the article or engaged with the central idea. It isn't "Cannonball Run bad." It used to be a competition about maintaining the highest speed for a long distance while evading the law. Now that there's little to no highway traffic enforcement, it's just treating the US as a giant Autobahn without the challenge it's classically had.
redisburning@reddit
it feels like kneejerk reactions to the title from temporarily embarrassed cannonballers, who would be out there getting the record themselves if only they had the means, skill, brains or courage.
FictionalContext@reddit
Can't it be across Canada or something? There's nothing out there, but I guess the thrill is doing it around other people?
BAQ717@reddit
Why are you on r/cars again?
markeydarkey2@reddit (OP)
? I've been posting/commenting here for years.
Just because I disagree with half of this subreddit on a few topics doesn't mean there aren't interesting discussions to be had.
kon---@reddit
She named her cat Burt and, wrote that?
Burt ffs. Lol.
jasonmoyer@reddit
2020 should have been the last year for it.
BioDriver@reddit
Or sanction it as a legit race
baconinstitute@reddit
Then it'll lose the whole cool factor.
TaskForceCausality@reddit
This proposal will join banning Senators from insider trading as another idea that’ll never happen in real life.
markeydarkey2@reddit (OP)
I'd be down for that, though the logistics of an official race would be pretty intense given the scale.
AntiGravityBacon@reddit
How do you sanction a race that can never legally have a winning time?
Citizen-Of-Arcadia@reddit
This is possibly lamest opinion ever constructed
ondori_co@reddit
What a weak article. The author is a wanker.
Alex Roy's recent commentary on Twitter was best. His point is that there's been no close calls no accidents and not one single speeding ticket during the cannonball runs.
A cannonball driver is prepared, has a well maintained vehicle, a vehicle that handles well. They have a plan and good driving skills.
It's the average driver that gets into accidents and gets speeding tickets.
There are drivers that have zero interest in driving and have no concept of good driving skills. Think of that kid recently that couldn't stop his car from speeding so he called his mom who then called 911. That should be a license suspension. It doesn't matter what anxiety you felt in the moment. You failed at maintaining control of you vehicle and you called your mom instead of 911. You should have to prove you're competent to drive along side the public.
I don't expect every license driver to be an enthusiast. I don't care of they think driving is a chore. But they should know and understand how to maintain control of a 3,500lb vehicle (soon to be an average of 5,000lb).
Finessence@reddit
It seems weird to write an article about the spirit of the event and killing the event in the same article. Yes it’s dangerous, but no injuries have came to the public. I think there are better things to shake your fist at first before this.
MikalBaker@reddit
Boo this man!
SufficientTill3399@reddit
It’s less dire now, but alas, the cannonball run can still exist to show that German-style open speed zones are viable and capable of being safe in some parts of rural America (primarily the Great Basin, Southwestern Deserts, much of Texas, and some parts of the Midwest). However, due to other traffic safety realities, it’s more viable to target speed limits on rural freeways (I-roads and anything built to such standards) being increased to 85mph (for cars, no more than 65-70mph for trucks, buses, and trailers) in general (similar to TX-130 near Austin) and maybe 90-100mph (realistically 95mph) on rural 3+3 freeways. Obviously, we cannot legalize people exceeding 70-75mph on suburban freeways by much of a margin due to various traffic flow issues, and obviously we don’t want people going beyond about 50-60mph on downtown freeways, but those are different from rural ones.
Orangepinapples@reddit
He was being sarcastic.
a_cool_t-rex@reddit
I know what I’ll say is theoretically nearly impossible and really expensive, but…
I’d like to see a Red Ball garage to Portofino race where the roads from those two locations are specifically shut down for a cannonball run. The only rules are that the car has to be street legal.
I know it’s like letting an Olympian use drugs, but at the same time, a part of me is like “fuck it, what’s the theoretical fastest time someone can get from red ball garage to the Portofino”.
jmbre11@reddit
The video and post all the evidence needed for arrest. Start criminally charging them. It will stop. They are going to kill someone.
04221970@reddit
I'm more concerned about the multitude of people who steal cars and drive them unfazed until they crash and run away.
These are a bigger concern.
B_tC@reddit
yes, they are a problem, too. Anyways, this thread is about Gumball, which should stop.
strongmanass@reddit
What does that have to do with Cannonball runs being dangerous?
ZackD13@reddit
Nah, keep em coming