Less than 3 months, Ireland.
Posted by Bjornidentity22@reddit | TNG | View on Reddit | 141 comments
Season 3, episode 12
Posted by Bjornidentity22@reddit | TNG | View on Reddit | 141 comments
Season 3, episode 12
Prudent_Leave_2171@reddit
Meanwhile in the US, we were having the Bell Riots
The-Figure-13@reddit
Wasn’t that essentially the George Floyd protests?
Virtual_Historian255@reddit
Except the Bell Riots were people of all colours. Even in a dystopia the 90’s thought we’d be past racism by now.
The-Figure-13@reddit
We are past racism. It’s just you have grifters like Al Sharpton who need to keep it alive to make money
jarcur1@reddit
Holy shit what a garbage take.
The-Figure-13@reddit
Most of the people I encounter in my every day life, don’t give two shits about race. They literally don’t care, they just don’t want you to be a complete fuck wit. The only people who GENUINELY give a fuck about race, are those actively making money from perpetuating racism
AromaticAd1631@reddit
right, like trump and vance with their claims that Haitian immigrants are eating pets... appealing to those racist fears to get votes
The-Figure-13@reddit
There is video evidence proving those claims to be true. The sort of people who eat people’s pets wouldn’t be welcomed into the federation until they had grown as a culturw
potatersobrien@reddit
So, given that you’re perpetuating racism, exactly how are you making money from it?
The-Figure-13@reddit
I’m probably the most anti-racist person because I don’t see skin colour at all
AromaticAd1631@reddit
lol, no. Haitians aren't eating people's pets dipshit.
The-Figure-13@reddit
So the videos I saw from a year ago are doctored? You got any proof? Or just some talking head telling you that it’s not happening?
Queso_luna@reddit
Oh you’re one of those “people”
Big surprise 🥱
jarcur1@reddit
You’re lucky then. I’m a white guy with a beard, so other white people seem to think it’s ok to tell me their racist takes about black people or Latino folks.
I’m happy for you that you aren’t aware of that shit, but it’s around.
The-Figure-13@reddit
Then I feel bad for you
jarcur1@reddit
No need for the pity. Just realize that racism is still real, and there is reason to fight it.
The-Figure-13@reddit
It’s how we fight it that’s important. You can’t fight racism with more racism
AromaticAd1631@reddit
agree. you fight racism by calling out racists.. like Nick Fuentes
The-Figure-13@reddit
Fuentes surrounds himself with racists and panders to them. He rightfully should be called out, which is why he isn’t welcome on mainstream right wing podcasts, or welcome at any Republican events.
P1Kingpin@reddit
Didn't he have an interview recently with the republican presidential nominee? That's far from not being welcome.
The-Figure-13@reddit
Trump would never go near Fuentes
P1Kingpin@reddit
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/25/trump-white-nationalist-nick-fuentes-kanye-00070825
No interview, but definitely no problem breaking bread with him.
The-Figure-13@reddit
Oh so a five minute meeting which later resulted in Kanye and Fuentes starting their own political campaign means everything now?
Trump had that meeting, probably saw and heard the racist garbage coming from both of them, and quickly distanced himself. After that meeting Fuentes was formally banned from all RNC events, and banned from Charlie Kirk’s TPUSA conferences as well.
Trump is typically a very good judge of character, it’s why he banned Epstein from all his properties and told the FBI about him in the 90’s. In this particular instance, you, like most people with TDS, are seeing something that doesn’t exist because you refuse to dig deeper and understand context, and nuance. You just repeat media lies verbatim and call it a day.
I’ll bet you think Trump called Neo-Nazis very fine people, despite there being no evidence that he did.
P1Kingpin@reddit
TDS isn't real, it's what people who have no excuse for their candidate's horrible behavior call us normal folk for calling him and you out on your lies. Please go have the day you deserve somewhere else now. Good bye.
The-Figure-13@reddit
No TDS is a condition that causes people to sacrifice their own country and their own prinicples, because they can’t fathom the idea that Trump is actually good.
P1Kingpin@reddit
So the first part of the first sentence describes Republicans that have switched to MAGA. He was not responsible for peace in the middle east. He wouldn't even call for peace at the Capitol after he told them to go raise hell. He released a bunch of Taliban for nothing and gave them his exit date so that they could plan their takeover. Becoming buddies with only the worst people while alienating America's allies isn't the good thing you think it is. Dude literally tried to take away insurance from Americans without an alternative plan because a non white dude implemented it. He also tried to get NY to reinstate the deaf penalty to kill some innocent black kids. He used to ban black people from renting his property. Please take your racist loving self somewhere else. Maybe try climbing that mountain that I hear nazis like. I deal with racist Republicans all day, everyday. You're nothing new and your excuses won't work either. Please go have the day you deserve.
The-Figure-13@reddit
This is the prime of example of TDS, you have to accuse your opponent of being that which you are.
You’re the racist, you’re the one who doesn’t understand context and nuance, and you repeat lies that were debunked 30 years ago.
There is no helping you, may god have mercy on your soul, lest your guilt torment you and send you to hell.
P1Kingpin@reddit
There's no god. If there was, she's either not kind or not all knowing. I was raised in the south, have clansman as family members... guess who they vote for? Trump. Guess who doesn't break bread with them, the person who isn't racist and called you outon your bs. You sit down with nazis all you want but as for me and my house, we will stand with science and love for all. Art least now I know what kind of day you deserve. On here talking about a god like you're holy when all you do is post pictures that objectify women and porn. How can you expect me to respect your religion when you don't respect it yourself.
The-Figure-13@reddit
Well considering you’re a hateful individual with zero tolerance for anything but a hive mind, and you’re also referring to God as “she” when there is no biblical account of God being female, you’re clearly absolutely low IQ.
I’d wager based on your policies, you probably actually more align with the thinking of the KKK, but because they won’t vote with your that’s why you hate the rest of your family, you lying, racist, hate-filled, moron.
May god have mercy your soul.
P1Kingpin@reddit
What still going on about this god shit while posting porn. Gtfo. I use pronouns to make you people realize the importance of using the correct one. No gods, no devils, just mankind... and we're terrible enough to fill the void on both sides. You say I'm unkind, I'm just intolerant of vile people like you and some of my family. Please pick a lane, are you religious or are you cool with porn and racist people. You're religious book says to be kind to others, not call them names. It says to feed the poor and take care of the sick, all things republican and religious people are against. It says what you do to the least of us you have done unto god... so in effect, you've called your own god a racist... it also says not to lust after you're neighbor which you obviously have no problem doing with all of the women you post.
The-Figure-13@reddit
You keep calling me racist, yet there is more proof that you are than me.
Bye now.
avg_sinistea_stan@reddit
This comment makes it seem all the more puzzling why "Al Sharpton," a civil rights icon, was the person who popped in your head as a racist grifter when you clearly seem aware of fringe folks like Fuentes.
The-Figure-13@reddit
It’s because Al Sharpton has been using race issues to stay relevant. He did some good things way back when, but now he tries to cling to relevance. I use him as an example because no serious person takes Fuentes seriously, people take Al Sharpton seriously and they shouldnt
P1Kingpin@reddit
Same. It's like being a white southern man automatically makes them think you're part of their club. Being in the Bible belt is tough.
I_am_Daesomst@reddit
I live this shit daily up here in PA.
Accomplished-Back640@reddit
Yeah like when Trump went on tv and said Haitians are eating peoples pets.
You know, like the lies what literal Nazi's are spreading.
Call me when Proud boys, blood tribe, patriot front and half of Idaho go away and stop going to council meetings and introducing themselves as Nate Higgers.
The-Figure-13@reddit
Ah there’s footage of immigrants people’s pets my dude. There’s no racial component to news my dude
NobelPirate@reddit
Post the video, my dude.
The-Figure-13@reddit
Within this article is a video, from over a year ago, of immigrants in Ohio grilling cats.
Now you’ll probably ignore this as it’s from a source that the regime doesn’t approve of, but this article adheres to strict journalistic standards that the New York Times upheld 20 years ago and that was taught as the standard at all journalism schools.
InteractionWhole1184@reddit
Those are chickens, you credulous, racist twit. Cats don’t have feet like that.
The-Figure-13@reddit
When you lay chickens down after they die, their feet flop to the side, they don’t perch upright like that. Cats however end up like that.
InteractionWhole1184@reddit
Your racism has corrupted you to point that you argue against what is right in front of your eyes. Like that cats don’t have toes sticking out of the back of their heels, or that chickens get trussed when grilling. They’re not cats. You’re a racist. Have the life you deserve.
Redkellum@reddit
I've seen Bigfoot video with better resolution than that. Where are the Haitian immigrants in the video?
NobelPirate@reddit
When you set yourself up for failure, nobody will listen to you.
Try not sounding like a 13-year-old edge lord when responding to people.
Malacro@reddit
Fabianslefteye@reddit
Link or admit you're lying.
The-Figure-13@reddit
I have linked it.
Fabianslefteye@reddit
From a reputable source? No you haven't.
Accomplished-Back640@reddit
Ok, a fascist in a Star Trek sub, nice. I give no safe harbor for you.
The-Figure-13@reddit
I’m a the sort of person who embodies the true philosophy of Star Trek. Which is classical liberalism, described a lot of the time now as libertarian. I’m like Picard, I fight for the rights of people, I also stand up to fascists like Admiral Satee, people like you. People like you who hate people, who want people to ignore the evidence of their eyes and ears, the people who demand compliance, who demand people admit there are 5 lights not 4, the people who given a modicum of power would destroy the very fabric and foundations of our civilisations.
Dickgivins@reddit
Lol the Federation abolished money and property, they're literally communists. Wtf are you talking about?
The-Figure-13@reddit
The invention of replicators means you don’t have a need for money. It’s not and never has been a communist system. The federation is an example of Post-Scarcity Liberalism
Dickgivins@reddit
I do wonder what the point of owning a vineyard would be if there is no money. Ya think the just give the wine away?
The-Figure-13@reddit
People would just replicate it, but there are those who would want the actual alcohol. I’m sure there is still a trade system in place, it’s just not currency based
Accomplished-Back640@reddit
I wish Q were here to put you in a trial so you could look in the mirror and realize the enemy is you. How could you possibly repeat Nazi propaganda and be so incredibly arrogant to think you're right.
But you know this, you know exactly what you're doing.
The-Figure-13@reddit
I’d pass with flying colours, you’d be gulag’d till the end of time for being a wannabe despot
Queso_luna@reddit
So then… racism isn’t dead. You logiced yourself out of your own point.
The-Figure-13@reddit
It’s not dead because Race hustlers like Al Sharpton keep perpetuating it
Queso_luna@reddit
So then we are not past it.
The-Figure-13@reddit
Which means we need to stop giving perpetuators of it air time to spread their BS.
Queso_luna@reddit
What BS exactly? Pretend I have no idea who the person you’re targeting is.
My-Second-Account-2@reddit
I feel like more people than ever before aren't racist, but those that are, are so good at it that the overall level of racism remains craptastically high.
osunightfall@reddit
Go ask all those black friends you probably have if racism is still alive.
Queso_luna@reddit
Someone has zero sense of the world in which they live.
KlavoHunter@reddit
No, Sisko was aware that racism was still A Thing back then, that's why he asked for the white Gimmie to be the face of the movement when communicating with the outside world. "But they can't dismiss Webb as easily as you or me. He's got the face. He's got the family. He's the guy next door. And that's what they need to see."
Xskills@reddit
The Star Trek 2024 that lead to the Bell Riots was still post Eugenics Wars and more caused by extreme income inequality.
teesside_flyer@reddit
The GF PROTESTS were about police brutality and white power racists and not riots. The Bell riots were about the working class poor rising up against wealth inequality, class war.
security-six@reddit
A lot is written about New Star Trek not keeping with canon when we IRL aren't keeping with canon either
Prudent_Leave_2171@reddit
Yup. To that point, my memory of parts of the 1990s is a little fuzzy, but I think we skipped over the Eugenics Wars as well :)
Still-Expression-71@reddit
This was slightly retconned in Strange New Worlds in what was a FANTASTIC episode.
thotguy1@reddit
Are you referring to the time travel episode? Cause that was one of my favorites
Prudent_Leave_2171@reddit
Haven’t watched SNW, but it was slightly retconned by reference in either TNG or DS9. They made comment about them having happened in the late 21st century, I believe.
Wish I could recall the episode, but it’s obviously one I haven’t seen in awhile haha!
CarlTheDM@reddit
"Immigrants are dirtying our genes" is a quote from the current most likely next president of the US, made this summer. We haven't dodged that one yet.
security-six@reddit
Maybe it's not too late
veryverythrowaway@reddit
NuTrek recently floated the concept that the timeline is slippery because of all the time travelers and temporal wars and whatnot. In the time travel episode of season 2 of SNW, Khan is just a kid in 2022.
Nulpunkta@reddit
I'm re-watching DS9 for the 1st time in 20 years, literally on this episode today... their idea of 2024 tech and slang is pretty amusing
GammaPhonic@reddit
Fun fact. This episode was not broadcast in the UK or Ireland because of this line.
It was later broadcast with the line edited out. It didn’t get an unaltered airing until 2006.
i-like-legos2@reddit
Let’s provide the full context of the quote. It was panned because data was arguing terrorism works.
https://youtu.be/IbSGp4WIBsQ?si=rsVtJRzPIXwosbC9
redpat2061@reddit
Doesn’t it? (don’t hurt me)
Corvid187@reddit
Not in cases like Northern Ireland, where the terrorised power has a strong desire/incentive to maintain its presence.
No number of soldiers or civilians killed by car bombs or assassinations would see a British government turn its back on millions of its own citizens against most of their wishes.
Bearing the human and economic cost of terror attacks would always be 'worth it', and the greater the collateral damage, the more terrorists on both sides alienated their own communities.
Ultimately, the Good Friday Agreement saw the IRA concede most of their demands for relatively little in return, because they had lost support for the cause due to its costs
ElvenLiberation@reddit
The good Friday agreement gave the IRA so much of what they wanted short of reunification. Today their political wing has the reins of government there because of the terms of the peace treaty.
Corvid187@reddit
Ok but compare what the IRA got in the Good Friday Agreement to what Scotland and Wales got in the same Labour government.
Aside from power sharing, most of what Northern Ireland got was just the same deal given to them, all without half a century of bitter and costly sectarian conflict. What gains the IRA secured were made in spite of their violence, not because of it.
The SNP secured a referendum on Scottish independence more than a decade before they did on unification.
redpat2061@reddit
Are you certain that these deals weren’t predicated on Irish violence?
Corvid187@reddit
Predominantly, yeah.
The terms of the GFA that don't relate to wrapping up the violence itself (decommissioned of weapons, letters of comfort etc) are almost identical to the terms of devolution the labour government gave to Scotland and Wales, neither of whom had campaigns of sectarian violence.
With the slight exception of power sharing, NI got the same deal everyone else got at pretty much the same time, violence of no. Times and political sensibilities had changed independent of them. Events like the Omagh bombing soon afterwards, which drew almost universal condemnation and backlash, emphasised that the paramilitaries had lost the general support of their communities for their campaigns violence.
As Gerry Adams said, "the unionists were too stupid to realise they had won, and the republicans were too canny to admit they had lost".
i-like-legos2@reddit
Depends on who wins.
EntertainmentMean611@reddit
Let me guess... people still argue about "which is the true version"
thisistheSnydercut@reddit
Classic British
LowerPiece2914@reddit
The IRA were blowing up British civilians until 1998. We lived in fear of terrorism as children throughout the 90's.
I think it was for the best they cut it out.
ancientestKnollys@reddit
I mean Ireland banned it too. Quite sensible to censor something potentially inflammatory.
WatchRedditDieSlow@reddit
What a world we live in.
kank84@reddit
This was broadcast while there was an active war and terrorism campaign going on because of this issue. It would be equivalent to a UK show in 2002 praising Afghanistan for throwing off the yoke of American oppression.
Tiny_Program_8623@reddit
its set in the 24th century, long after those events.
kank84@reddit
Yes, but broadcast while those events were still happening in real life
Tiny_Program_8623@reddit
because fuck free speech am i right
GammaPhonic@reddit
People were dying in terrorist attacks. It’d be a bit insensitive to broadcast a programme suggesting the terrorists were justified in murdering those people.
3z3ki3l@reddit
And I think it was more about the line before this one, where data says “historically, terrorism actually works”.
thisistheSnydercut@reddit
Yeah there were alot of people murdered by terrorists
GammaPhonic@reddit
And do you think it would be appropriate for a TV programme suggesting those things were justified to air in those places, while those things are still happening?
thisistheSnydercut@reddit
Yes.
GammaPhonic@reddit
You think the families of people killed by terrorists should be told the terrorists were justified?
thisistheSnydercut@reddit
Yes, they should fully informed on the circumstances that lead to the death of their families.
Kinda_Elf_But_Not@reddit
Data doesn't say whether Ireland unified with the Republic or UK, for all we know O'Brien is British
Fatzombiepig@reddit
That would certainly explain why he was singing a patriotic English song with Julian https://youtu.be/ali3c7FaQGU?si=nFutdNrgTvmB3n0a
asupposeawould@reddit
I live in NI there is no chance haha
FlatOutUseless@reddit
Biden was supposed to broker that deal, but he forgor.
LtM4157@reddit
Won’t happen because goooooood.
snidbert@reddit
If it doesn’t happen, we are officially in the bad timeline
meatshieldjim@reddit
When Ireland declared war on Israel.
Floydzs1@reddit
Only O'Brien can save them
IAPiratesFan@reddit
Conan or Miles? I’m think Conan would do better.
johnsoninca@reddit
Chief O’Brien’s going to Tuvix them into one country if he has to.
sweatstaksleestak@reddit
The minstrel boy to the war is gone
In the ranks of death you'll find him
His father's sword he hath girded on
And his wild harp slung behind him
branmuffin91@reddit
Waiting until the last minute. Classic Ireland (tis only a joke, please don't crucify me)
Bjornidentity22@reddit (OP)
Be careful getting in your car later
StatisticianExtreme6@reddit
Won't happen.
Regrettably, Star Trek is not in our timeline.
lorca81@reddit
I’m sorry are you saying that’s if the IRA had killed more kids, Irish unification may have happened on Treks timescale? Data literally says the murders of innocent people made it happen, which is the least Star Trek line ever. Literally the whole of Star Trek has been about encouraging dialogue to overcome differences and disagreements, like the writer of this episode you must have missed the intent of the almost sixty year old franchise. It will happen but never at the barrel of a gun.
StatisticianExtreme6@reddit
No. I literally didn't say any of that shit that you just made up.
All I said was "Star Trek is not our timeline."
SomeDudeNamedRik@reddit
I just can’t believe that somehow I missed the Eugenics Wars of the 90s
CaterpillarTime4119@reddit
What with all of the current talk of “immigrants and bad genes” it could be we’re just one election away from the Eugenics Wars in 2024.
-underdog-@reddit
AIDS epidemic?
lorca81@reddit
Post 9/11 that line would never have made it to the screen. The only way for peace to prosper in any conflict is by talking through your differences, not by killing kids. Irish unification will happen eventually, but only because the two communities come together in peace. Jaw jaw not war war, as the saying goes.
teesside_flyer@reddit
SNW retconned the canon delays as Romulan agents working in the past. The Eugenics wars didn't happen in the 90's either.
BedroomVisible@reddit
Ok, but then gear up for the Nuclear Fallout of the 21st Century mentioned in season 5. (I think it was the one with that irritating “time traveler”)
DeHub94@reddit
Just two years until WW3. With how things are going we seem to be on track. Memory Alpha even mentions a second American civil war before that. So watch out for that starting November...
SebastianHaff17@reddit
Maybe that's Starmer's week. Give away Chagos islands, retake control of the Republic of Ireland.
deridex120@reddit
Didnt they get to vote on this a few years ago? And voted No? Or am U remembering something else
Bjornidentity22@reddit (OP)
I don’t remember Northern Ireland having any sort of vote in recent memory, but I could be wrong. Scotland did, however, have a referendum on independence a few years ago that they voted against.
deridex120@reddit
That was it. It was scotland. I remember now someone saying bravehart would be pissed
Ambaryerno@reddit
The line that got this episode banned in the UK.
BillDRG@reddit
We're in the bad timeline.
soothsayer2377@reddit
I mean this is an instance where our world (so far) ended up better than Star Trek. There was a ceasefire in 94 and the GFA in 97. There wouldn't be 30 more years of violence.
MarvinStolehouse@reddit
COME ON IRELAND DO YOU WANT WARP DRIVE OR NOT
ccbbededBA@reddit
I'm still waiting for a mathematician to show that the 1995 proof of Fermat's Last Theorem is wrong.
Then_I_had_a_thought@reddit
Ha! came here for an Andrew Wiles reference, thanks
mumblerapisgarbage@reddit
Damn. Real life keeps retconning Star Trek. SMH.
Spaceghost_84@reddit
Git yer shite together.
SaltySAX@reddit
Careful now.
2LostFlamingos@reddit
Shows how bad the troubles were then that they expected it to persist another 40 years.
calsnowskier@reddit
How nerdy am I that I recognized that screen cap, even before reading the CC text, as the most controversial scene in the whole run of TNG?
Billy1121@reddit
WorkingFellow@reddit
Chop chop!