eeNews Europe: "Intel, TSMC to detail 2nm processes at IEDM"

Posted by Dakhil@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 19 comments

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SherbertExisting3509@reddit

18A vs TSMC 2nm. will be interesting to see the matchup and which ends up faster

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Famous_Wolverine3203@reddit

TSMC. But Intel’s products on 18A will be earlier to the market by nearly a year at best in CWF/PTL.

A20 pro will be H2 2026.

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auradragon1@reddit

I'd be pleasantly surprised if Intel's 18A can match TSMC's N3P in real world performance.

I own TSMC and Intel stocks.

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SherbertExisting3509@reddit

Despite Intel 3 having much lower density than N3 it's equal in performance due to better electrical characteristics

"TechInsights rated the process node itself as performant as N3, despite the much lower density. The choice not to increase density is offset by reduced RC delay, superior MIMcap isolation, and threshold voltage tunability."

I would assume a similar dynamic would play out with 18A

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juGGaKNot4@reddit

I will be pleasantly surprised if it launches on time. First one in 7 years.

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SteakandChickenMan@reddit

Intel 3 was on time

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juGGaKNot4@reddit

Desktop products being? None. Must have great yealds if the only products they can make cost thousands of dollars.

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SteakandChickenMan@reddit

It’s quite literally the opposite. Way easier to ship a small die part when yields are suboptimal (e.g. CNL, ICL, TGL) than a big die (e.g. ICX), let alone GNR with 1/2/3 >500 mm^2 dies.

Plus you can look at the amount of active cores on GNR to see yield is clearly solid.

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juGGaKNot4@reddit

Yealds are low. You lose money if you sell a a 300$ small chip at 50% yeald but you make money if you sell a 10.000$ large chip at 10% yeald.

And you have to launch it or investors sue. Doesn't matter what yeald it has. If it was healthy it would be across the stack.

And last but not least i said desktop what do i care about about server ?

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SteakandChickenMan@reddit

Yield dictates the size and price of your chip, not the other way around. And it doesn’t work the way you seem to think it does.

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AngryRussianHD@reddit

Doesn’t matter, Intel 3 is out and it’s shipping Xeon 6 CPUs right now. Is it a good yielding node or a good node? Probably. But Intel did release this node on time.

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tset_oitar@reddit

Diamond rapids CPU tiles won't be small. Even Panther lake compute tile is not small, at over 110mm2 it's larger than most apple A series chips. Volume wise again, 18A is used in all of Intels CPU lineups. Far from being a tech demo. If 18A was such a failure, there'd already be outsourcing rumors of entire future product lineups

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