Collapse Preparedness vs prepping
Posted by katoscript@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 53 comments
Our community here at r/collapse seems increasingly aware of an imminent societal collapse and is more open to the idea that it could happen sooner rather than later. Many here are taking tangible steps to prepare, such as stockpiling food, securing resources, and maintaining alternative communication methods like amateur radio. This mindset is largely driven by a recognition of systemic risks like climate change, economic instability, and resource depletion, all of which have been highlighted by recent global events.
Meanwhile, r/preppers also focus on preparation, but their approach often comes with a different philosophy. Many in this community tend to concentrate on short-term disruptions rather than the broader, systemic collapse scenarios. Their preparedness can sometimes lean towards prioritizing comfort items (e.g., a bidet) rather than focusing on essentials like water and heat—despite evidence from events like the 2021 Texas freeze, Hurricane Katrina, or the COVID-19 pandemic, which demonstrated how quickly access to basics like power, water, and food can be disrupted.
Despite these differing perspectives, there is a significant overlap between the two communities. Both recognize the potential for sudden disruptions to our daily lives and emphasize the importance of self-sufficiency. The shared value placed on skills like gardening, food preservation, and amateur radio shows that, ultimately, both groups are working towards resilience, whether they expect a temporary disruption or a long-term systemic failure.
Recent years have seen a number of wake-up calls that have blurred the lines between these perspectives. From widespread supply chain breakdowns and increasing frequency of extreme weather events to global economic shocks and energy crises, many of us have had to face the reality that our systems may not be as stable as we once believed. Even those who once doubted the likelihood of a broader societal collapse are finding themselves making changes, whether it's stocking up on essentials or learning new skills.
So, in the wake of everything that is happening, how are you coping, preparing, and adjusting to the potential of a collapse?
CatchnReleaseGA@reddit
It’s a really insightful observation about how both communities share core goals but sometimes differ in focus and urgency
Personally, I’ve found it helpful to balance prepping for short-term disruptions while keeping an eye on longer-term systemic risks
I’m working on building solid basics—reliable water sources, food storage, and heating options—because those essentials never go out of style no matter what happens
At the same time, I’m learning skills like gardening, food preservation, and amateur radio to stay adaptable and connected even if infrastructure falters
The recent events have definitely pushed me to take prepping more seriously and expand beyond just “comfort” preps to cover real survival needs
I think embracing resilience means being ready for both quick disruptions and bigger shifts, so it’s good to learn from both r/collapse and r/preppers mindsets
sam81452667@reddit
haven't more than passivly engaged in a long time on this sub, but I maybe my take is worth to share:
i've moved countries (one of the food producers), restored a sail boat and had some fun sailing it. at some point there was the plan to become proper independent on it, but you do need fresh water or a huge battery pack for desalination, solar in winter sucks plus you need to heat - while pretty efficient nowadays, that'll still be 10l/week. with bigger storms i'm not even sure how much longer it makes sense to keep.
i do work in IT, which is going to be useless when power becomes unreliable, but i'm good with electronics and as a mechanic, have even some work experience as a mechanic by now, maybe next job will be more in that direction again, considering I'm currently getting fed up with broken shit outside of my domain to fix.
in my spare time i've been concentrating on ultra low power / resource consumption items for daily life, all powered with max 5v 3a - most of it less though, I have a small sink&shower incl water heating element, cooling bag, vacuum insulated heating mug, a cooking pot, of course a desk with computer and external drives and more; these things do work, while some of it seems silly, it's very useful while camping, or travelling, some things like the computer, heated coffee mug are currently used every day.
plus all my tools from soldering iron to dremel also run on usb power the bigger idea behind that was that even with power outages i can still do some stuff, but then again currently it seems we'll run out of power after we run out of food, so maybe all of it is pointless? i'm not going to kill people for food in the end, and don't see a point in surviving till the end, if it's clear that all the evil dies too, I'm ok. If I can be useful, that's something, but I'm not vibing with many people atm, so I'm not sure, if I find a group worth spending my last days on, as my current expectation would place those people in these categories: is still alive because they saw the writing on the wall, prepped and managed to face obstacles when they arose (seems like a small minority) is still alive because they fucked someone else over who had what he needed, when he needed it.
i see a lot of preppers, who like to can food and similar, but i don't see them moving tons of preps, and am not sure all have their wits about to respond to a dangerous situation; I personally expect to be on the move, hence i'll go relatively lightweight with my preps.
PhiloAmandus@reddit
This usb powered tools deal is what I've been doing more recently as well, plus bought some inexpensive solar chargers so I could keep said tools functioning even without electricity. Add to that reliable power banks, and you can have a small mobile work unit. I haven't really given this too much thought, but just typing this makes me want to plan such units for various kinds of necessary jobs..
sam81452667@reddit
yeah if you plan on batteries, 5v has the advantage you can carry them around, opposed to 12v batteries with classic 12v consumers
i usually have 2-4x 3A usb ports with me in my bag, for a solar panel setup, you want one battery charging, while using another one;
a 3phase motor with a solar mppt would be an option for wind power; keeping your consumption within the limit of your recharging capabilities is essential though, so i'm into solar alternatives too
pm me if you'd like to know more
No-Coast3171@reddit
Why do you expect to bug out as opposed to bug in? Is that due to your location, your preference or something else?
sam81452667@reddit
i expect at least one form of catastrophe will hit most of us, whether you're getting issues from floods, wildfires, heatdomes and drought, storms, or the human issues of wars, nuclear accidents/attacks or just simply fascisme and genocide. i live near a coast, so i choose the floods option, as i'm not amazing with heat/fires, but ok on/in water. until the seas turn toxic.
what makes you think you have a choice to remain put? unless you want to be buried with your preps surrounded by your stuff. perhaps you have a bunker, I don't. maybe i'm just more ready to leave my things behind? but why not ask in the hurricane thread of the day, how many preppers lost their basements/prep storage this year?
btw a bit too late, but a suggestion for people plagued by heat: a chainmail worn on skin is like a passive cooling body for you..
Red-scare90@reddit
I have a large family, and I've convinced them of the coming problems. This hurricane season has convinced my last uncle who was on the fence. We're pooling money to build an off grid compound with permaculture in the Great Lakes region in the next few years and learning important skills in the meantime. Almost everyone has a garden or some small livestock already, 1 of my cousins has horses, my male siblings and cousins own a construction buisness, 1 of my sisters is a nurse and I'm a chemist so we have some valuable skills already.
Crazy-Bug-7057@reddit
Next few years is too slow. Start now.
Red-scare90@reddit
I said we're pooling money. Are you going to donate the rest? I've been saving since 2019, but it took time to convince everyone else, and land, buildings, wells, and the rest aren't free. Realistically I think we still have time. I'd say we have another 10-20 years before things get too dangerous in the US. Society doesn't collapse overnight. And if I'm wrong we still have construction equipment and knowledge, and if things are that bad, nobody is going to stop us from seizing land and building materials.
Crazy-Bug-7057@reddit
You dont have the possibility to buy a small plot of land first so that you can start the garden and berry bushes etc? All of that takes several years to get started. Houses can be added after several years.
Good luck man, Id say rush it. With the way climate collapse is accelerating dont wait too much and spend your time learning about permaculture and no dig agriculture since thats the way to make your soil resitant.
Red-scare90@reddit
Thanks, I already am learning, I have potted berry bushes to propagate from, but I know it will take time. I'm considering thorny black berry bushes as a combination food source and defensive barrier. I'm keeping an eye out for property and will buy some early if I see an ideal site for a deal, but it makes more sense for us to wait 3-4 more years.
uberclont@reddit
You are going to need a lot of calories to survive. Problem is if we can’t grow enough food as a collective, chances are your home farm won’t be able to either.
Best bet is too buy a bunch of old vehicles, leather clothes and chowder pads and hit the road as a marauder. They seem to have to best outcomes
ommnian@reddit
We've never grown a the calories we need to live. I doubt we ever will. But, if shtf long-term, we'll ALL have a LOT better reason to very carefully garden, and could enlarge it more at need.
I've been canning and freezing as much as I can, for years. What I don't grow, I I buy locally. We have sheep, goats, chickens and ducks. We have lgds to protect them and are upgrading our fencing to make it more resilient.
I want a few more rain barrels for redundant water use, and, eventually a greenhouse within a few years.
uberclont@reddit
Avian flu, chronic wasting disease, bovine tb. There are plenty of reasons why the populace will starve. You cannot assume your garden of Eden will be immune. I live in an area where avian flu infected dairy. I have friends who managed the herds. It wasn’t a walk in the park.
Also learn to grown legumes and cereal crops and have a means of producing the proper nutrients.
ommnian@reddit
Of course. If you've ever gardened for more than a year or two, you know damned well, nothing does great every year. There's ALWAYS failures. Building in redundancy, as much as we can, and frankly storing everything you can in the good years, so you can get through the poor ones
Red-scare90@reddit
Exactly! last year insects damaged a bunch of my corn and 1/4 of my spring potatoe crop got blight, this year bunnies decimated my beans. You plant a variety, even multiple types of the same kind of plant so you always have some success and if shtf you grow and store as much as you can to help you through bad years or if marauder guy rolls up in his leather duster decides to raid your root cellar. 😆
Red-scare90@reddit
Lol. Mad max? Where you getting the gas? You know it goes bad in a 3-6 months and you have to redistill and reformulate it, right? I'm sure the maurauders are going to be full of chemists and equipment to do that and won't all be walking 6 months max after gas deliveries stop. I grow most of my own calories already in my backyard. I think I'll take my chances on the farm.
Honest_Piccolo8389@reddit
I dunno how anyone can make a sound quick transition to adjusting to collapse. It doesn’t matter where you relocate to there is something insane popping off. I left fl early way ahead of Milton there was a gas shortage, locals in other states irritated at my license plate, a plant in GA had a leak and residents were told to remain inside, little towns with roofs and 60 ft trees uprooted on the roads, billboards with missing people then I arrived at a national forest and got an alert on my phone to evacuate because of a potential bomb in the area. How tf does anyone just abracadabra themselves into adjusting to all of that in a time frame of less than a week? It feels so surreal like I’m in the game fallout. Shit is fucked and then you go through cities where people are just going to work, getting Botox and taking their kids to the park. Holy fuck!
SignificantWear1310@reddit
Cognitive dissonance
Ghostwoods@reddit
I'm an obligate pharmavore. If the medicines dry up, I've got maybe half of an increasingly unpleasant year.
So I'm laying in water -- thirst is a horrid way to go -- and some very simple, compact shelf-stable calories, and I'll see what gets me first.
I'm as at peace with that as I can be. There's no other strat available to me.
mihihi@reddit
I have some complex medical needs, not so much reliant on medications but on catheters. I’ve decided recently that I’m going to slowly build up a stock pile of them. Ive had to ration and sanitize them in the past (bc insurance here sucks). now I’m coming to terms that might be a constant in the future for me.
Ghostwoods@reddit
That sounds tough :(
Top-Construction4795@reddit
am in a similar position. you got a graceful strategy?
Ghostwoods@reddit
Want to be mindful of sub rules, but I've got some ideas if it comes down to it.
SunnySummerFarm@reddit
This is an interesting take on the preppers… cause a lot of them seem pretty concerned about SHTF long term.
However, I agree, the approaches differ. Personally, we’re leaning hard into preparation & praxis (defined in anarchism as practicing organization & community care, etc. - don’t think of myself as an “anarchist” but there is much good there to learn from). We sold our house in the Big Metro Area and moved rural to a town of sub 500 people.
My husband does home visit care as a NP, his license is in urgent care and he was a psych nurse for many years. He’s a skilled medical provider & diagnostician. I’m an herbalist, past medical massage therapist, and advocate for community care. Currently we’re growing a farm with permaculture/regenerative ag type work to feed ourselves and community and have a pay what you can type farm stand. I also forage and make herbal medicines. My husband and I hope to one day be able to provide healthcare together, but we’ll see.
We’re working to be useful contributors to our communities and give to them as needed. We are building off grid, and it’s a slow fucking slog because all of our savings went into the land, but worth it to not be tied to the grid. I love my home and feel like we may manage to suffer a little less than everyone else. But who knows, nowhere is really safe.
Guilty_Evidence7176@reddit
Wish you were my neighbors!
SunnySummerFarm@reddit
Thank you. We’re trying really hard, and that is nice to hear because it is sometimes very frustrating and lonely. 💕
Due-Section-7241@reddit
Agreed!
DocFGeek@reddit
Minimalism, bushcraft, permaculture, foraging, bikepacking/touring >> Bug-Out Bike life
DeathChipmunk1974@reddit
Have you thought about things like tires? You can get the solid ones, they look awful, but for a post collapse scenario, they'd be perfect. Also consumables like chains, cassettes and derailleurs etc. The whole drivetrain basically, it's a liability. Have you looked into the African Buffalo bikes? Or bikes like that in other markets, often called "Standard" bikes?
gardening_gamer@reddit
Here I am with a 12 speed cassette, hydraulic discs on a modern steel bike weighing \~9kg, and part of me still hankers after the bikes you describe (https://www.herocycles.com/bike/classic-bikes). Push-rod brakes!
You can get \~10,000 miles from a set of Schwalbe marathons with care, probably more with modials. If you're just using a bike as a means to get about, and not to intentionally rack up the miles on for the sake of it...that'll would last most folk a long time.
But that's a good point about the drivechain as well. 8 speed you can run into the ground and would also last a long time.
AnnArchist@reddit
Prepping, if you're in Tampa right now is getting in your car and leaving.
Prepping and trying to "ride it out" is somewhere between suicide and needlessly punishing yourself. Having supplies isn't prepping - it's just an anchor around your neck if you aren't willing to avoid the situation entirely (by leaving)
AHRA1225@reddit
Not doing shit. I’ll just die and that’ll be that. Fuck ya trying to compete in the hell hole of a world that’s coming. You guys can fight over scraps, I anit taking part
NyriasNeo@reddit
"how are you coping, preparing, and adjusting to the potential of a collapse?"
Accept, make peace and live as if the world is not going to end, until it does. No prepping is needed.
Chickenbeans__@reddit
I’m just trying to stay clean of drugs and alcohol today
moocat55@reddit
That's me. I'm prepping to get through short term inconveniences. If it all goes south, the peppers will just be feeding on each other. Let me die early.
Guilty_Evidence7176@reddit
My wife and I have both accepted that we will not be making it to old age if it gets really bad. Need meds and we aren’t running anywhere with these joints. We will try as long as we can but I’m taking food from one of the kids.
uberclont@reddit
I know this will be poorly received, but a true collapse means we are all fucked.
Prep away. You will still die.
We have survived countless millennia as a collective, huddling for warmth in wherever we can migrate to find greener pastures.
If the world collapses due to meteor, global nuclear war or some other catastrophic event that causes total winter you will not survive. Perhaps people in the right pocket will, but we are not likely to be them.
There is no amount of hoarding that will keep you and your family alive, only dumb luck of being in subsaharan Africa or the artic circle.
Taqueria_Style@reddit
I gotta do my math again.
Sigh what I should have done was invested last year but noooooo "recession of the century". On the ground, sure. I'd have my data by now.
All I'm attempting is to ride out inflation. I don't think I can get cheaper on property taxes, but what I do think is that the market for housing will dry up and I'll be stuck in place without enough liquid cash coming in to survive. I should have sold already but growing up everyone was super paranoid of the stock market. My math says I can't survive without it. It's the only way to beat or match inflation once you're on fixed... income?? Living off your savings.
And I can't pull trigger because I pretty much know once I do I'll be unemployed or under-employed. And yet, the math in simulation beats employment. I just can't actually get myself to believe that. I feel like I'm missing key taxation events or something.
One spends more when one is working. Car maintenance. Gasoline. Meals ready to eat whatever that happens to be. Clothing. It's all higher. There's only so much I can keep it down and keep a job and I'm pushing it on that.
But my plan is basically to "off grid" as much as I can to drive down expenses as much as possible and then try to live off the stock market. This will of course fail eventually. No matter how much I cut in utilities and groceries, it won't be enough. And the stock market will go eventually.
Legit don't know what else to do though. Need more people. Only people I know are either fully committed to LARPing upper middle class-dom or are... I hate to say it but painfully incompetent and that's saying something since I'm painfully incompetent, so to meet my standards of painfully incompetent... I mean you're talking about heavy drug use and all that comes with that.
Xamzarqan@reddit
Those in Sub Saharan Africa are still fucked from famines, starvation, water shortages, worsening deadly diseases (no more medical supplies and help from the UN and other international health organizations), heat waves, floods, warfare over depleting resources and land and other magical wonders of severe overshoot.
IGnuGnat@reddit
Switched from a shingle roof to a bone coloured metal roof. The lighter coloured roof should reflect more heat, making it easier to survive a heat wave without power, although it will mean increased heating costs in the winter. We have a woodstove, and a Generac with a large store of propane which comes online automatically if the power goes out.
I've also built a small solar generator onto a dolly, so it's mobile
I've got a Ford Transit which I'm building out as a stealth camper, so we can have a mobile base; I can incorporate the solar generator. We use it basically as a bare bones metal tent, i'm thinking about outfitting it with a small diesel heater, normally it's stocked with camping and fishing gear
I work remotely, so i can work anywhere I have an internet connection. Recently we acquired Starlink so in theory I could pack my gear into the Transit, relocate, deploy the solar panels and Starlink and work where ever
During Covid my central heat pump failed; we used it for AC only as we had a natural gas boiler with radiators for heat. We couldn't find any HVAC techs to repair it, eventually it was determined it was the coil which meant it was essentially unrepairable. So I've been switching back to window units for AC, it eliminates the dependency on HVAC techs and if one fails it means the whole house doesn't go down. ALso I'm switching to the ones that are shaped to allow the compressor to hang outside while the air handler hangs inside, so you can close the window or build an insulated divider. They're much quieter than most window ACs and it means I'm not sucking air in from outside, the last window AC i bought didn't have a recirculation button; there was no way to shut off the air intake from outside so we could smell the smoke from wildfires.
Sheriff_o_rottingham@reddit
Luckily, I have extensive survivalist training and experience. The only security is adaptability. My go bag has everything I need to walk into any forest in the US and survive and move quickly if necessary. I also am a professional permaculturist and water manangement expert. I spent years as a kid memorizing trails and hiking in the mountains, or on my grandfathers farm in the country. You just gotta adapt as quick as possible to the ever changing scenarios.
For the time being though I'll just volunteer locally as much as possible when ever my local community is challenged.
Frog_and_Toad@reddit
The golden rule. Always have options, no single point of failure.
blkblade@reddit
Everyone wants to believe they're special enough to witness the end of the world.
RandomBoomer@reddit
Not everyone. In a zombie apocalypse, I would get eaten while the opening credits were still rolling. In a societal collapse I probably wouldn't last as long as the supplies in our pantry.
Velocipedique@reddit
In anticipation. We moved aboard a small sailboat with experience in sailmaking, electronics, engine repairs etc. thinking we had services to offer, and set out to sea. Spent five years cruising from Tejas to Greece holing up in winters. But then nothing happened, this was in the 1980's! My anticipation was premature as a student of Earth's past climate system and versed in the Club of Rome's LtG along with Rachel Carson's Silent Spring and the Ehrlich's Population Bomb it was premature due to the momentum of society and slow pace of climate change. Not to worry now as is no longer the case. My grad school mentor in the 1960's was Cesare Emiliani who first proved Milankovitch's theory of ice age climates in his 1955 dissertation, and is said to have told his students that 2024 would be the proverbial year that SHTF with regard to climate change before his passing in 1995!
RandomBoomer@reddit
It's challenging to sync change on geologic timescales to the blink that is a human lifespan.
PrairieFire_withwind@reddit
Are you still sailing? Do you regret checking out as it were?
Do you feel that now has a different flavor to it than back when you checked out?
Velocipedique@reddit
Nope and no, still same old same old, perhaps even worse. PS been retired for quite a while now.
AcanthisittaNew6836@reddit
One way to prep is to not spread the news. My survival and your survival, whoever is reading this, can only be accomplished if enough of the normies die quickly. If everyone knew collapse was coming and had a plan, my chances of survival go way down. Resources will be finite. Darwinism is making it's return. Brainwashed morons who think everything is fine will die. And that's a good thing for the survival of the new age. The truth isn't easy to hear
After_Shelter1100@reddit
I have a few months of supplies in my apartment to get past the initial stages of collapse. After that, I have no clue how things will go down. Some things are inevitable like supply chains shutting down, but the specifics are up in the air, and you cannot meaningfully prep for it in terms of materials. Anything that can go wrong will probably go wrong.
IMO, the best long-term preps you can do are mental and social. Having the right mindset and skills (foraging, hunting, permaculture, field medicine, etc.) will be essential, and knowing some useful people in your area that you can trust will keep you somewhat safe. Your chances of survival are still low, but you'll have a better shot if you're not a nervous wreck with no friends.
Personally, I hope the Great Lakes water wars take me out quickly before I starve to death. I can handle any other cause of death, I just don't want to starve over weeks. It sounds like hell.
Less_Subtle_Approach@reddit
By posting in r/collapseprep, the sub for discussing collapse preparedness. (Sorry, had to)
Really though, I have many disagreements with John Michael Greer, but have always found his advice of "collapse now and avoid the rush" to be the preeminent wisdom of the anthropocene.
The pandemic did a great job kickstarting learning to live with less. Now I don't eat out at restaurants, go to big indoor events, or take expensive vacations.
Instead I'm building skills in growing, storing, and preparing food. I'm building alliances with local farmers and community defense groups. I'm looking for opportunities to incorporate family and friends into a more resilient and sustainable way of living as the collapse continues to gain steam.
It is by no means simple or easy to live ahead of the curve when so many are clinging desperately to the patterns and beliefs of the 1990s, but it has been a path to happiness and health for me.
Hannibaalism@reddit
reading up on various end time prophecies across cultures and cherry picking and reveling in the ones that fit my ideal collapse scenario i often fantasize about.