I know this is an older post, but what was held in the box up front labeled BASF? Floppy disks? I'm really curious because BASF was a constituent of IG Farben
Yes, very strange. In 99 CD-Roms were gaining popularity and 3.5 inch floppies had come out. But then I thin you hadda use what you had so if that's what he was using in 99, then more power. (LOTS more power! 8-] )
I would put a 5.25” floppy on my PC today, but alas, I can’t, because I lack the necessary adapter.
And before you ask, yes, I’d use it to exchange data with an older system that also has such a drive, but no newer ones. If I get my hands on an ISA SCSI controller one day, this may change.
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The FC5025 is read-only. It cannot write to floppies
I.e. useless and worse than a Greaseweasel.
I am looking for a USB 5.25” Floppy drive that is to 5.25” floppies what a generic NEC standard 3.5” USB floppy drive is. Basically, it would show up as a regular floppy drive in Windows, with the 5.25” floppy icon on letter A or B and work with WinImage like a 3.5” USB floppy drive does. Some of the original (not clone!) USB floppy controller chips from NEC did support 5.25” operation. All it took was setting the appropriate configuration by pulling a pin on the chip high (or low, I don’t recall), but the chip has support for all floppy types and would report a drive size change to the USB host depending on what size floppy you put in and what drive was connected after reading track 0.
I was working as a tech in a computer store from 1997-2001. I remember seeing an order for a new build PC on the bench that was a Pentium II and had a 5.25" floppy drive in it. I knew immediately it was for my friend's mother, as she was involved in a complicated legal matter where she was dealing with files that were many years old...she had more old floppy disks than I ever saw in one place in my life.
I use Master File II to keep records of our chequing and credit card purchases and a custom program I wrote for myself, in BASIC, to keep a record of the money we spend on household expenses out of our savings account. I'll also use TurboCalc 128 (a spreadsheet program) for investment calculations and such.
I enjoy the fact that I can still get use out of my C128 today. If you're curious, I've done reviews on both Master File and TurboCalc on my personal Commodore blog, here
Nope, I've done nothing to it since the day my parents bought it for me in '87. I've considered doing the VDC memory upgrade, but I keep hearing the phrase, "don't mess with a good thing" ringing in my ears every time. LOL!
I hear ya. But, I don't have the soldering skills to re-cap my "old friend" with any sort of confidence. We'll just keep doing our thing together until one of us kicks the bucket. ;)
Thanks for the offer... but being in Canada, myself, the shipping will probably be out of my budget. But, you can always send me the info and if I ever need it I;'ll have it! Thanks!
Upgraded a classmate’s computer around that time to 16MB of RAM, a sound card, and a CD-ROM drive (I was like 4th grade)…
They got a 386 for peanuts at a garage sale, and I had parts from riding my bike around with a wagon as a trailer collecting garage sale computer parts during the summer to sell to kids and their families when we got back to school.
I think I upgraded them from Windows 3.0 (not 3.1) to Windows 95 as well.
I am a bit amused at how the PC era computers can be considered vintage. On the offer hand I’m liking darn old too.
Where’s the TRS-80 photos? Sinclair ZX-81? California Computer Systems CP/M S-100 in a transparent plexiglass case built by my EE brother, with two 8 inch Siemens floppy disk drives, no hard dive, an Epson MX-80 printer & a Heathkit H19A terminal? Maybe I’ll find them in my basement someday, the pics.
I recall there was a color video card for S-100 with an ad w/a picture of a monkey of some sort. Also some people got read vector-looking graphics to show on their b/w H19As. Oooh Aaaah.
Then there was the Univac at a local university with Tektronix & ADM terminals, & an old punch card machine. Trek. Adventure. So special at age 13.
i sort of agree. a mac or pc from 2004 offers essentially the same experience (and the same operating system) as a mac or pc from today. however, in 2004 you could still get an SGI machine running MIPS/IRIX, an Itanium running HP-UX, or a Sun machine running Solaris/SPARC. I’d consider the 20 year old UNIX hardware “vintage computing”, the 20 year old PC or Mac not.
You can get non-x86 machines today like IBM POWER which runs their own UNIX, runs Linux, runs various BSD operating systems.
You can still get Solaris from Oracle or the open-source version, Illumos, and have System V Linux on older or modern SPARC64 hardware as well as x86_64.
You can run MacOS which is certified UNIX on ARM or Intel hardware.
You can run Linux, BSD on ARM, RISC-V and Longsoon (modern MIPS).
So running UNIX and UNIX-like OSes on x86 and non-x86 hardware is still a thing… macOS is one of those UNIX OSes
the rate of change in technology was vastly steeper back then than it is today. a 30yo machine has much more in common with your current computer than it does with a 40yo 'home computer'
It’s ok. Looking in the mirror has a similarly shocking effect. I’m actually glad people are interested in preserving & getting the old beasts running again.
And yes if one is careful, some useful & fun software can be run.
You are aware that time is not discrete, at least at the scale we're talking about, right? Your deliniation of what constitutes vintage is arbitrary.
If you want my definition for comparison, I consider anything with a noticably different user experience than what we have today to be vintage. By that definition a DOS PC from the mid-late 90s is vintage, while a windows XP machine from 3-4 years later is not. My definition is equally arbitrary, but at least has some justification behind it.
It’s crazy how fast progress was back then, this computer looks like it was, idk, 10 years old at that point. Today, my main machine is about 10 years old and it aged much better..
Also my dad was also using a 486 until about 2001, but it at least got a CD-ROM-Drive at one point.
Hey some people were still using their Amiga 1200 as their main rig in 1999 as you could get it online and to browse the web (most needed help from a user group but not hard once you had the software).
80s computers: can get online when they're 20 years old
Modern computers: SORRY YOUR BROWSER IS FIFTEEN SECONDS OUT OF DATE! YOU'RE AT RISK! SHAME ON YOU!
5-1/4 floppies were basically out of use by 1994/95. This appears to ONLY have a 5-1/4, which would say late 80s, very early 90s for the computer itself.
They were indeed crap (I had a set as well in the earlier 90s) but anything was better than internal sound. Hell, farting through a kazoo probably sounded better than the sad bleeps and bloops of the PC squeaker.
dankwrangler@reddit
I know this is an older post, but what was held in the box up front labeled BASF? Floppy disks? I'm really curious because BASF was a constituent of IG Farben
hougaard@reddit
What with all the 5.25 inch floppies, that seems strange 1999?
Razorglance@reddit
Yes, very strange. In 99 CD-Roms were gaining popularity and 3.5 inch floppies had come out. But then I thin you hadda use what you had so if that's what he was using in 99, then more power. (LOTS more power! 8-] )
Danny
NightmareJoker2@reddit
I would put a 5.25” floppy on my PC today, but alas, I can’t, because I lack the necessary adapter. And before you ask, yes, I’d use it to exchange data with an older system that also has such a drive, but no newer ones. If I get my hands on an ISA SCSI controller one day, this may change.
hougaard@reddit
I got a USB adapter to 5.25 floppies... https://shop.deviceside.com/prod/FC5025
NightmareJoker2@reddit
I.e. useless and worse than a Greaseweasel. I am looking for a USB 5.25” Floppy drive that is to 5.25” floppies what a generic NEC standard 3.5” USB floppy drive is. Basically, it would show up as a regular floppy drive in Windows, with the 5.25” floppy icon on letter A or B and work with WinImage like a 3.5” USB floppy drive does. Some of the original (not clone!) USB floppy controller chips from NEC did support 5.25” operation. All it took was setting the appropriate configuration by pulling a pin on the chip high (or low, I don’t recall), but the chip has support for all floppy types and would report a drive size change to the USB host depending on what size floppy you put in and what drive was connected after reading track 0.
dx4100@reddit
Yeah. I suspect that PC was 10 years old or more at that point.
cjc4096@reddit
Not quite. I'd say 5.25 were still available new pre-built until 93-95.
algaefied_creek@reddit
Yeah, had a 1993 Unisys with a 3.5” and 5.25” floppy drive. In 1996 or 1997 we replaced the 5.25” floppy with a CD-ROM drive.
AustriaModerator@reddit
that intel inside sticker tells me it was a 486
NetDork@reddit
I was building PCs during the Pentium to Pentium 3 days, and my (admittedly fallible) memory says all the ones I recall were blue.
AustriaModerator@reddit
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3239/2882647473_5ef62eba17_o.jpg
https://www.cpu-world.com/Images/uploaded/0000/63/L_00006366.jpg
NetDork@reddit
I was working as a tech in a computer store from 1997-2001. I remember seeing an order for a new build PC on the bench that was a Pentium II and had a 5.25" floppy drive in it. I knew immediately it was for my friend's mother, as she was involved in a complicated legal matter where she was dealing with files that were many years old...she had more old floppy disks than I ever saw in one place in my life.
I checked The paperwork and was right.
DIYnivor@reddit
Yeah, Iomega ZIP drives were all the rage at that point.
dx4100@reddit
Definitely an old PC even theb
Razorglance@reddit
OMG!! I had a similar system, with little speakers and a 14" monitor. God at the nostalgia. Thanks for the dejavu.
dghughes@reddit
People in this thread confused items from years earlier still can exist and be used.
istilladoremy64@reddit
Still doing my home finances on my C128. If it ain't broke, why fix it?
the_darkener@reddit
What program do you use?
istilladoremy64@reddit
I use Master File II to keep records of our chequing and credit card purchases and a custom program I wrote for myself, in BASIC, to keep a record of the money we spend on household expenses out of our savings account. I'll also use TurboCalc 128 (a spreadsheet program) for investment calculations and such.
the_darkener@reddit
That's awesome!!
istilladoremy64@reddit
I enjoy the fact that I can still get use out of my C128 today. If you're curious, I've done reviews on both Master File and TurboCalc on my personal Commodore blog, here
algaefied_creek@reddit
Have you recapped that bad boy?
Done any of the C128 upgrades to effectively have more memory?
istilladoremy64@reddit
Nope, I've done nothing to it since the day my parents bought it for me in '87. I've considered doing the VDC memory upgrade, but I keep hearing the phrase, "don't mess with a good thing" ringing in my ears every time. LOL!
algaefied_creek@reddit
Oh by caps I meant “capacitors” as those are a ticking time bomb in old computers.
istilladoremy64@reddit
I hear ya. But, I don't have the soldering skills to re-cap my "old friend" with any sort of confidence. We'll just keep doing our thing together until one of us kicks the bucket. ;)
algaefied_creek@reddit
Awe! Adorable and sad! Well if you want I can DM you the discord of someone reliable in Idaho who does mail ins.
She also does casting and streaming
istilladoremy64@reddit
Thanks for the offer... but being in Canada, myself, the shipping will probably be out of my budget. But, you can always send me the info and if I ever need it I;'ll have it! Thanks!
algaefied_creek@reddit
DM’d
Sentrinal@reddit
My first computer was a 386 we got in late 1998, because we were poor and it was $100 in the classifieds.
algaefied_creek@reddit
Upgraded a classmate’s computer around that time to 16MB of RAM, a sound card, and a CD-ROM drive (I was like 4th grade)…
They got a 386 for peanuts at a garage sale, and I had parts from riding my bike around with a wagon as a trailer collecting garage sale computer parts during the summer to sell to kids and their families when we got back to school.
I think I upgraded them from Windows 3.0 (not 3.1) to Windows 95 as well.
(Thank you 95 upgrade CD)
danthom1704@reddit
Still using the same speakers
msartore8@reddit
Did you play Liesure Suit Larry on it?
jonathanbirdman@reddit
I am a bit amused at how the PC era computers can be considered vintage. On the offer hand I’m liking darn old too.
Where’s the TRS-80 photos? Sinclair ZX-81? California Computer Systems CP/M S-100 in a transparent plexiglass case built by my EE brother, with two 8 inch Siemens floppy disk drives, no hard dive, an Epson MX-80 printer & a Heathkit H19A terminal? Maybe I’ll find them in my basement someday, the pics.
I recall there was a color video card for S-100 with an ad w/a picture of a monkey of some sort. Also some people got read vector-looking graphics to show on their b/w H19As. Oooh Aaaah.
Then there was the Univac at a local university with Tektronix & ADM terminals, & an old punch card machine. Trek. Adventure. So special at age 13.
glwillia@reddit
i sort of agree. a mac or pc from 2004 offers essentially the same experience (and the same operating system) as a mac or pc from today. however, in 2004 you could still get an SGI machine running MIPS/IRIX, an Itanium running HP-UX, or a Sun machine running Solaris/SPARC. I’d consider the 20 year old UNIX hardware “vintage computing”, the 20 year old PC or Mac not.
algaefied_creek@reddit
You can get non-x86 machines today like IBM POWER which runs their own UNIX, runs Linux, runs various BSD operating systems.
You can still get Solaris from Oracle or the open-source version, Illumos, and have System V Linux on older or modern SPARC64 hardware as well as x86_64.
You can run MacOS which is certified UNIX on ARM or Intel hardware.
You can run Linux, BSD on ARM, RISC-V and Longsoon (modern MIPS).
So running UNIX and UNIX-like OSes on x86 and non-x86 hardware is still a thing… macOS is one of those UNIX OSes
lachietg185@reddit
25 years old is not vintage Enough for you?
prosper_0@reddit
the rate of change in technology was vastly steeper back then than it is today. a 30yo machine has much more in common with your current computer than it does with a 40yo 'home computer'
jonathanbirdman@reddit
It’s ok. Looking in the mirror has a similarly shocking effect. I’m actually glad people are interested in preserving & getting the old beasts running again.
And yes if one is careful, some useful & fun software can be run.
jtsiomb@reddit
You are aware that time is not discrete, at least at the scale we're talking about, right? Your deliniation of what constitutes vintage is arbitrary.
If you want my definition for comparison, I consider anything with a noticably different user experience than what we have today to be vintage. By that definition a DOS PC from the mid-late 90s is vintage, while a windows XP machine from 3-4 years later is not. My definition is equally arbitrary, but at least has some justification behind it.
bort_bln@reddit
It’s crazy how fast progress was back then, this computer looks like it was, idk, 10 years old at that point. Today, my main machine is about 10 years old and it aged much better..
Also my dad was also using a 486 until about 2001, but it at least got a CD-ROM-Drive at one point.
joypadeux@reddit
Guessing 486 processor ?
zgustv@reddit (OP)
You are all absolutely right. That picture was not taken near 1999. I just looked at the date on the digitalized picture file and didn't think twice.
I had that machine probably closer to 1990. The 5 1/4 floppy drive, that joystick, no mouse. Definitely DOS era.
Thank you for all your comments. It's great to share these memories.
BloinkXP@reddit
Those speakers...they were EVERYWHERE.
Glidepath22@reddit
Tiny screens back then, how did we even compute?
ExpectedBehaviour@reddit
That speaker placement distresses me.
arbizukomutil@reddit
Bet you got some serious hours of Falcon 3.0 in with that rig. Soundblaster or Roland for the speakers?
CalendarSpecific1088@reddit
Falcon 3.0 had a hefty manual. Still have mine.
vinniegutz@reddit
That's a lot of floppies.
Prestigious-Case936@reddit
I miss that boot up sound - I am sure I could find it on the internet however if I really wanted it though!
MeringueOdd4662@reddit
When we could live with a single screen. Now I have 3 and I need one more.
badteach248@reddit
This looks closer to 95 honestly. No zip drive? No 3.5 floppys?
torbar203@reddit
to be fair, no ZIP wouldn't be surprising, no matter what the era.
DrDreMYI@reddit
That’s a healthy floppy collection
WonderWendyTheWeirdo@reddit
My family wasn't rich in 1999, but at least we had cdrom.
Psy1@reddit
Hey some people were still using their Amiga 1200 as their main rig in 1999 as you could get it online and to browse the web (most needed help from a user group but not hard once you had the software).
teknosophy_com@reddit
80s computers: can get online when they're 20 years old Modern computers: SORRY YOUR BROWSER IS FIFTEEN SECONDS OUT OF DATE! YOU'RE AT RISK! SHAME ON YOU!
imagine those muscular dog images here
teknosophy_com@reddit
Happiness
stuffitystuff@reddit
(Colorized)
jtsiomb@reddit
This looks 1995-ish at most.
ZappySnap@reddit
5-1/4 floppies were basically out of use by 1994/95. This appears to ONLY have a 5-1/4, which would say late 80s, very early 90s for the computer itself.
Techaissance@reddit
Typo? 1989?
Mammoth-Blaster@reddit
I'm curious what do you guys do with your old computers? Do you sell them, store them, give them away?
kd8qdz@reddit
Speakers in front of the monitor? Psychopath.
QuidProStereo@reddit
We had those same crappy Labtec speakers when we upgraded our PC to a "multimedia PC". Way better than the PC speaker, though.
isecore@reddit
They were indeed crap (I had a set as well in the earlier 90s) but anything was better than internal sound. Hell, farting through a kazoo probably sounded better than the sad bleeps and bloops of the PC squeaker.
Psy1@reddit
Yhea but they were only marginally then the speakers from the ATI Soundblaster clone.
pioflo@reddit
Speakers too close to monitor. Need to degaus.
profaniKel@reddit
DOOM II
?
Apnu@reddit
Dem floppies.
sputwiler@reddit
The picture might be that old but the PC is definitely older