Not something you see every day 🇨🇦

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transfem_megatron@reddit

Maybe it's the autism but as soon as I saw this is started thinking "hmm what Transformer would fit this altmode"

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Ill-Piano-478@reddit

What am I looking at? Reddit makes no sense sometimes

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TerminalSalamander@reddit

I’m glad this sub just got recommended to me, I’m sick of seeing political shit infest every recommended sub on Reddit, and now I’m just seeing people being excited over sick ass airplanes

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Fentron3000@reddit

Most de Havilland Canada aircraft are.

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BobbyTables829@reddit

I will look at Beaver pics more than I care to admit

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DocDefilade@reddit

I'm oddly attracted to bush planes, sooo, yeah.

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YourFunAndRichUncle@reddit

Most of them are two engine models though...

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no_apologies@reddit

It's actually the British Antarctic Survey, you can see the logo on the tail fin.

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Sierra-X117@reddit

SN 111
i used to work on that thing
modified to all heck and back

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Sierra-X117@reddit

lmao, yeah, i did, 8-9 years ago
as an apprentice avionics tech,
at the heavy maintenance facility in North Bay Ontario
fucker taught me that florescent tube cabin lights are the devils work

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Chaxterium@reddit

Flap 45 is locked out, right? Can’t imagine not being able to do a flap 45 landing in that thing. That was my favourite.

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Jeveran@reddit

If one goes down, it's easier to see against white-and-earthtones ground clutter.

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RSAEN328@reddit

The males are bright red to attract the females

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oakleystreetchi@reddit

If you’re flying Seattle to Vancouver you end up on them pretty frequently on Air Canada. But I think they just announced they’re going all jet soon.

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Gutter_Snoop@reddit

Not quite. Those are Q400s/Dash-8s. Different beast.

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iamheller@reddit (OP)

It definitely does look like one of theirs, but it said British Antarctic Survey on the side of it.

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probablyaythrowaway@reddit

It’s definitely BAS dash 7. I used to work for them.

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ArcticHelix@reddit

I believe Tindi got one of their dash 7s from British Antarctic survey I believe it was one of those that I flew

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plhought@reddit

No.

You're probably thinking of the red ex-Air Greenland Dash 7s.

BAS' Dash 7 is theirs.

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railker@reddit

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vp-fbq

Straight from maintenance in North Bay, probably headed down for the Antarctic summer season.

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Owned by British Antarctic Survey. Flies between Falklands and Rothera station during the Antarctic summer. During the winter it goes up north to Canada for maintenance. BAS operate the dash 7 and a few twin otters in Antarctica all of which travel up to Canada for maintenance. Rocky Mountain maintain them.
The summer season in Antarctica is about to begin so they are probably getting ready to fly south.

Source: me I worked for BAS at Rothera station and I’ve flown their twin otters.

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HernkiePuller99@reddit

Love me a Dash 7! Nice catch!

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ZendoconNWT@reddit

As a former Air Tindi employee, I saw multiple DHC-7s every day. ;)

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danishaznita@reddit

Pretty much uncommon to see 4 props these days outside of c130 and a400m

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Correct_Inspection25@reddit

For Antarctic pretty much still need 4 engines for ETOPS of special missions that fair from other airports?

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DeltaBlack@reddit

No, twin-engined aircraft are fine for antarctic operations. I looked into it when I read about an A340 landing there and usually the aircraft are on the smaller side. Think BAe 146 and similar up to (and including) B737 and A320. B787 have also landed there.

Quad-engined aircraft usually have the advantage that their certifications predate current EDTO/ETOPS rules and are grandfathered in but in theory every aircraft with the appropriate EDTO certification can land there (don't pin me down but I think it is something like 300 mintues - in any case a lot).

IIRC there are also a couple requirements that are arctic and antarctic specific. Like a back-up communication system because sat phones don't work properly down there.

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alexrepty@reddit

A340s have four engines though. The A330 is the two engine version.

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DeltaBlack@reddit

First I heard about an A340 landing in antarctica and then I looked into aircraft landing in antarctica. Does this clear things up?

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joesnopes@reddit

In many ways the A340 is a 4-engined twin. The extra 2 engines are basically just engines.

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alexrepty@reddit

Ah sorry, I misunderstood

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DeltaBlack@reddit

No worries. I do have the confusing habit of mentioning extraneous information when recounting things.

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Sgt_lovejoy@reddit

KBA out of Canada flies twin otters and baslers there during the summer. The majority of the Antarctic programs use c-130s, with America and Australia using c-17s. America also gets the LC-130. New Zealand also flies a 757.

The biggest requirement for flying from new Zealand is the range, c-130s have to make a hard desision for go/no go about halfway there because they don't have the endurance to turn around and fly back if the weather turns to crap.

Satellite phones are one of the most reliable methods of communication in Antarctica, and I knew a few people that were using a Garmin inreach for texting.

The biggest issue for navigation is grid vs magnetic. "grid north" is used for direction because when you're that far south, magnetic north is pretty much every direction.

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PacSan300@reddit

As another twin-engine example, Icelandair flew a 767 to Antarctica at least once.

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AintBeGotEatThat@reddit

Canadian engineer who does arctic work here. I fly with KBA/Aklak and use Buffalo, Lynden and Summit for freight.

We also use ATR72F for smaller loads.

Big stuff like construction and exploration equipment comes in on the C-130 or Electra though. It’s so fun bringing a plane like that into some of these areas.

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Correct_Inspection25@reddit

It really depends on the purpose/flight paths, and engines of the plane https://simpleflying.com/antarctic-circle-flights/

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flopjul@reddit

The BAe 146/Avro RJ is literally a 4 engine plane

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Venom1656@reddit

ETOPS, Engines turn or passengers swim.

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Photosynthetic@reddit

Jeppesen Hudson Miracle chart, is that you?

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nevertfgNC@reddit

🤣🤣🤣

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Pol_Potamus@reddit

need 4 engines for ETOPS

Um

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748aef305@reddit

Perhaps OP meant EAAQOPS? (aka Extended-range Arctic/Antarctic Quad Operations Performance Standards???)

/s if not clear

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notcaffeinefree@reddit

PAFITAEWSCAEOC

"Polar Airframes Flying In Treacherous Arctic Environments With Special Cold-weather Adaptations and Enhanced Operational Capabilities"

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Blah-Blah-Blah-2023@reddit

It's a really snappy acronym for Inuit speakers.

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danit0ba94@reddit

Got me chuckling good with this one.

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charredsound@reddit

No joke - Air Inuit has a fleet of dehavilland’s. I love seeing them whenever I fly into YUL. I got to see their twin otter last month

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DaHick@reddit

Yeah, has to many vowels for welsh /s

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Megadeth5150@reddit

🤌

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danit0ba94@reddit

That should say something about how hardcore etops it is. 😂

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Blah-Blah-Blah-2023@reddit

EFOPS?

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actuarial_cat@reddit

Should need 4 engine to avoid ETOPS constrains

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Correct_Inspection25@reddit

Yes thank you! Depends on the purpose, flight path, and engines employed https://simpleflying.com/antarctic-circle-flights/

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DrMattrix@reddit

yeah, but 4 enginges means also 400% higher possibility of engine failure... just say'in. 😉

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Correct_Inspection25@reddit

"So you're saying there's a chance...." :D

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Thebraincellisorange@reddit

they fly Baslers down to antarctica

no need for 4 engines to get down there.

https://www.antarctica.gov.au/antarctic-operations/travel-and-logistics/aviation/intracontinental-operations/basler-bt-67-aircraft/

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Correct_Inspection25@reddit

Seems to really depend on the exact flight paths (exploration and survey can be different than just passenger), and engines used. https://simpleflying.com/antarctic-circle-flights/

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LounBiker@reddit

What does the T in ETOPS stand for again, I forget...

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falcongsr@reddit

obligatory: Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim

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rebel_cdn@reddit

They actually use Twin Otters in Antarctica quite a bit.

They even flew a couple of them down all the way from Calgary during the southern hemisphere winter to do a medical evacuation from the south pole: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-medical-rescue-antarctic-kenn-borek-1.3636065

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oojiflip@reddit

The props on an A400 are absolutely enormous. Flew on one for the first time recently and it was mind boggling seeing almost 20ft disks right outside the window

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Lapkonium@reddit

Tu-95??

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1fayfen@reddit

That guy must have plenty of shirts to match aircrafts style.

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ThrustTrust@reddit

These guys are all special mission aircraft nowadays. Dash 8s are almost the same way now. I think there are still some small passenger carrying operations out there

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Greed3502@reddit

Been on one of those for an in state flight and it's surprising not that loud, tiny af bathroom tho lol

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Jimmyjame1@reddit

Is this at YTZ? They have a few dash 7s there.

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izzyisameme@reddit

Trans Capital who still has an office at YTZ sold off its dash 7 fleet, i don’t think they have any left there

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Jimmyjame1@reddit

oh sad been a while since ive been there i guess.

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izzyisameme@reddit

i have a soft spot for the dash 7s, my dad worked on dhc7 and the dhc8 for most of his airline career. i miss the days when he brought us into the airport and we went on the planes 🥺 such a cool plane.

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Ray_Kramer@reddit

I'm not even a pilot, just an enthusiastic aircraft admirer. I've always loved the Dash 8, they're one of the ones that just look right. Very cool airplane!

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Significant-Fool-503@reddit

Those and the Dash 8 for me

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CampaignForAwareness@reddit

Took a cozy flight from Calgary to PDX on one. What a day to fly and sites to see.

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BOQOR@reddit

was it noticeably louder than a normal jet?

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CampaignForAwareness@reddit

Not really any louder or more noticeable just an octave lower in pitch.

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PeteinaPete@reddit

Strange ! I always found the Dash 8 to be quieter on those NW puddle jumps

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FLMKane@reddit

Is that Char Aznable's Dash 7?

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Dont_crossthestreams@reddit

JAX airport

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AH_Ethan@reddit

Hey, my grandfather designed that plane!

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Competitive-Weird855@reddit

The Comet was heavily discussed in engineering classes

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AH_Ethan@reddit

I don’t remember if he made that one, I’ve got a photo somewhere, I’ll post it to this sub

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Rowdyflyer1903@reddit

That tall T-tail is unusual for a plane which was built for STOL requirements. With no prop generated wind over the elevators true airspeed is all you have for pitch control. I wonder what airspeed is needed before enough elevator pitch authority is generated to pull the nose out of the muck. I also wonder if, in the event of asymmetrical engine loss, if enough rudder is available. I expect all these concerns would have been addressed in certification. She sure is pretty but maybe a handful

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thatfastone@reddit

Why does he have crutches?

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TheVoicesSpeakToMe@reddit

Interesting it’s taxing with it’s outboard engines and not inboard. I would imagine inboard would be safer with FOD in mind?

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Chaxterium@reddit

It's simply because shutting down the inboards is quieter. That's really all there is to it.

Source: I flew the thing for almost 7 years. Loved every second of it!

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TheVoicesSpeakToMe@reddit

That makes sense!

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ifyoupeeinherbutt@reddit

Interesting thing I noticed is the different pitch. The inboard props are pitched for speed while the outers are set like they're taxiing, obviously. Did the inners land with that pitch? Or do they just rest that way when off?

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Chaxterium@reddit

The inboard engines are already shut down in this video. Part of the After Landing checklist in the Dash 7 is to bring engines 2 and 3 to feather. Then after 1 or 2 minutes (I can't remember, it's been a while) they get shut down and we taxi in on the outboards.

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ifyoupeeinherbutt@reddit

Makes sense, thanks for the explanation!

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ryansnipes99@reddit

The inboard propellers are fully feathered before shutting down. They don't fly that way

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droopynipz123@reddit

More leverage with outboard?

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ryansnipes99@reddit

Yup that's exactly it. Outboard engines give more leverage in turns. Also the ground power plugs in behind the inboard engine so this way it keeps the ground crew away from the props.

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Chaxterium@reddit

It's just because it's quieter in the cabin to shut down 2 and 3. Also the ground power receptacle is at the back of the number 3 nacelle.

I've taxied it on the inboards many times. It's perfectly fine.

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LickingSmegma@reddit

Noob here. The propellers actually move the thing when on the ground? I thought this rpm wouldn't be enough for that, and they rotated just because the engines were turned on.

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bozoconnors@reddit

Yep. rpm on camera can be deceiving via 'rolling shutter effect'. you're only getting 1 frame at a time while the props are constantly spinning. (they're spinning faster than it looks)

fun example time - get a strobe light & spin some beads / necklace around your finger. If you can spin the necklace the same rpm as the strobe flash instance, you can make it look like the beads are standing straight up / defying gravity

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LickingSmegma@reddit

Thanks! I thought about the fps problem, but the rotation seemed too smooth, particularly when slowing down — usually the fps discrepancy would have the props stall, then spin backward, then slow down normally.

Btw, 'rolling shutter' is a bit different thing: it's when the camera scans the frame a line at a time, while the prop already moves further. This results in the blades looking curved.

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bozoconnors@reddit

Weird flex. Doesn't know props move aircraft on ground... proceeds to correct an ex a/v pro on video terminology. ¯\(ツ)/¯

You are correct though. Upon further remembrance, would technically be classified as (via example) a simple stroboscopic effect.

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plhought@reddit

The airplane is designed to land on unprepared 1300 ft strips of dirt, gravel, ice, you name it.

FOD is not the concern.

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HortenWho229@reddit

TIL you can design a plane to be completely immune to FOD

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ACME_Kinetics@reddit

Balancing time maybe? I had the same question.

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AZ_blazin@reddit

Looks cooler.

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Monkey_Pro11@reddit

I think the modern prop planes are beautiful

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Chaxterium@reddit

If you’re referring to this plane, it’s definitely not modern.

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Dazzling_Law4922@reddit

Dash 7 quite a rare sight now

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MatraHattrick@reddit

Live high wing aircraft…visibility is amazing ! Remember the Aero Commander anyone ?

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Torturephile@reddit

I always thought the Aero Commander looked ugly, though the later turboprop variants with stretched fuselage and pointed nose are more of my thing.

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jawshoeaw@reddit

I’ve been eyeballing a used one! They’re so cool

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Gutter_Snoop@reddit

Well at this point I don't think you'd be eyeballing a new one...

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Icy_Huckleberry_8049@reddit

Bob Hoover did.

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Whipitreelgud@reddit

Saw him do his airshow demo in that airplane. Absolutely amazing.

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Opening_Cartoonist53@reddit

Pepperidge farms remembers

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bradopolis@reddit

Annoying to fuel but great to look at

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djdsf@reddit

Most high wings are

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halazos@reddit

Nice

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Gehirnmasse@reddit

Nice 😀

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Rowdyflyer1903@reddit

Was the aircraft designed for a specific task?

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Sierra-X117@reddit

This specific one, has been heavily heavily modified for work in antarctica

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LearningDumbThings@reddit

Short takeoff & landing on unimproved airstrips.

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MapleMapleHockeyStk@reddit

Had someone call them aviation jeeps. Hope they were talking about the older model jeeps. Newer ones seem to need a bunch of maintenance....

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teastain@reddit

I think their design goals were blending the Otter DHC-6 into an airliner!

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LearningDumbThings@reddit

Quadder.

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bhenghisfudge@reddit

Yeah, to fuck.

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Content-Door-8238@reddit

My dad did this after he came from the army.

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zapollos@reddit

She's Stunning.

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santimonio@reddit

Im sorry but I see these everyday.

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Chaxterium@reddit

Unless you live in Yellowknife it's quite unlikely that you see these every day.

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santimonio@reddit

You nailed it!

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Extreme_Weather4007@reddit

Wow! I would love to fly on one these days!

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Soronya@reddit

I see them fly over my house every now and then. Love seeing them.

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Zinc64@reddit

Thought this was Vancouver when I saw the thumbnail.

There's a red one with "Surveillance" on the side that does a daily loop of Vancouver Island during the fisheries...

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collins_amber@reddit

It looks weird for me.

The tires are not unter the aircraft:(

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NoCombNoBrush@reddit

Reminds me of Air Greenland’s livery. 🇬🇱

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AdvancedTurn9555@reddit

I wish we had more turboprop airliners.

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Ginggingdingding@reddit

A Twotter!!! We ran these out of a little airport I worked at in 1981. In Illinois.

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Chaxterium@reddit

This is a Dash 7. Not a Twotter. But in many respects it's just a big Twin Otter.

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Ginggingdingding@reddit

Gotcha. ♡ Im seeing that now. LOL I last saw one around 1983, Please excuse an old woman in a mistake from excitement! 😊

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Chaxterium@reddit

You are excused! lol

I had the pleasure of flying both the Twin Otter and the Dash 7. They are wonderful planes. De Havilland really knew what they were doing.

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Ginggingdingding@reddit

I was lucky to see the twin otters daily and we had one of the last DC3s flying at the time. I got to be "flight attendant" on it a couple of times. Quite a ride!!

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Gutter_Snoop@reddit

Not a Twotter. But I suppose you could call it a Quotter?

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Ginggingdingding@reddit

I stand very corrected. Of course its A Quotter. LOL I failed "counting"!♡

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theflyinfudgeman@reddit

Why 4

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Chaxterium@reddit

It's a long story but when they designed the plane de Havilland thought they could make the plane quieter by using four engines with smaller propellers than a typical twin. They were right as it's quite quiet relatively speaking.

Also, having 4 engines allows for a shorter take off run as in the event of an engine failure there is less asymmetric thrust which allows for a lower Vr while maintaining a safe margin over Vmc.

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theflyinfudgeman@reddit

Thx 4 the explanation !

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Chaxterium@reddit

Anytime! This plane is a marvel of engineering. Such a cool plane. I miss it quite a bit.

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jandeteam@reddit

Is this a confusing perspective? How is this balanced w no back wheel?

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Chaxterium@reddit

The plane is designed to be nose heavy. But there is a tail stand that's used when loading and offloading the plane to prevent it from tipping.

The main cabin door is at the aft end of the plane so when everybody want to get of quick (say in the event of a rapid deplaning) there's a risk of the plane tilting onto its tail.

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Gutter_Snoop@reddit

Four very large engines ahead of the CG provide a pretty stout counterbalance to all that tail cone.

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Intelligent_Metal_62@reddit

Sorry, I don't know much about planes. The propellers on the inboard engines look like they have a really steep angle. Is there a design reason, or is it a trick of perspective?

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beerblahblahblahbeer@reddit

I think they are fully feathered.

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Chaxterium@reddit

Fully feathered and shut down.

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Chaxterium@reddit

The inboard engines are shut down. Typically when turboprops are shut down the propeller blades go into the feathered position which is what you're seeing here.

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Legitimate_Curve4141@reddit

I flew on a similar aircraft in Alaska over the mountains and it was terrifying.

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LolOverHere@reddit

I just googled this and took a look at a pic of the instrument panel and that is a lot of numbers with a lot of needles and what in the fuck is the need for that many gages? There are more gages than aeronautical words I know.

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120SR@reddit

Who do I have to blow to fly it?

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Vakr_Skye@reddit

The bear

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sillyaviator@reddit

You can start with me, we'll see where that goes.

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Valuable-Ratio8073@reddit

That tail tho

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tk427aj@reddit

The angle of it at the end looks so funny with the high wing and nose gear. Love the look of the aircraft but my brain has an "expected" look and it's messing with my brain.

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Wardog-Mobius-1@reddit

Interesting the dash 7 all four engines combined make 4500shp (1125shp each)on the dash 8 a single engine PWC150 makes 5000shp

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crypt1c_r1ddl3@reddit

Is that nikocado avocado

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Sour_Gummybear@reddit

I do believe that the UK uses DASH-8's to fly to the antarctic because they're absolutely amazing rock solid air frames. I love prop planes they have style. I have flown back from Antarctica in a DASH-8 sat on the floor (where everyone else was sitting, I wasn't being weird). It was a great little prop plane and taking off in an ice sheet was bucket list levels of amazing.

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Unlikely_Chart_3090@reddit

UK does not operate the DASH-8, this is its one and only DASH-7 beginning the journey down to Rothera Research station where it will be based for the Antarctic summer season.

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McFestus@reddit

S U R V E I L L A N C E

If you know you know. Love seeing these planes fly over.

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phatdinkgenie@reddit

This is an Air Greenland commercial aircraft.

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Unlikely_Chart_3090@reddit

This is actually the British Antarctic Survey aircraft beginning its ferry flights down to Punta Arenas, from where it will make its first input flight into Rothera Research station, where it will be based and operated from for the summer season.

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McFestus@reddit

Yes. But it has a very similar paint job to the planes the Canadian government flies to monitor for maritime pollution.

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phatdinkgenie@reddit

They do but it's missing the observation thing above the cockpit

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Reverse_Psycho_1509@reddit

Neat 📸

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arpan__1602@reddit

Never realised how big these actually are. Always thought they were smaller, just had 4 engines.

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ProDogePlayz@reddit

I don’t even know planes I just see plane and think “mm that’s cool”

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swiftypoooo@reddit

Air tindi in Yellowknife has a few of them, they fly pax and cargo everyday.

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I-1100@reddit

https://www.ch-aviation.com/news/115387-canadas-air-tindi-to-trial-electric-powered-dash-7-ops

The Dash 7 will be outfitted with two original Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6 engines and two magniX magni650 electric units.

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Tendie_Warrior@reddit

Holy HF Antenna

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discsarentpogs@reddit

Eh Force One

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lilgrey_cupcake@reddit

That aircraft🤌

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BrtFrkwr@reddit

Don't see many of those any more.

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-burnr-@reddit

Go to YZF, you’ll see them all the time

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indorock@reddit

Was gonna say, these are pretty common in some Canadian airports. I think the one I used to take between YVR and SEA was the same model as this.

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BrtFrkwr@reddit

Well, that's where they live.

I've always wondered if they hibernate in the winter.

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-burnr-@reddit

Alternatively, you can see them in EGAR between October thru March(ish)

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atemt1@reddit

From this perspective the body standing on one wheel alone looks so od

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Doogles911@reddit

Is this the one owned by the federal government, or Air Tindi?

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lordspidey@reddit

I'm starting to think all the remaining dash-7's are getting painted bright red.

Between air tindi/air greenland, Transport Canada and the Brits they're all RED!

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redditarmyrecruiter@reddit

Ground guide looks like he works at target

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30yearCurse@reddit

Canada Beaver 1?

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MD-80-87@reddit

Very good short takeoff performance, too !

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3CATTS@reddit

Man. I think I remember flying on one of these when I was a kid. We took Air Canada to Alberta for Christmas. It was loud, but so cool. Must have been in the 80s.

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Altruistic_Door_8937@reddit

Interesting that they’re taxiing with the outboards. Most 4 engine turbine aircraft will taxi with the inboard engines only.

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Weird-Kid-Nxt-Door@reddit

Dash-8

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BrianEno_ate_my_DX7@reddit

-7

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Thedutchonce@reddit

I live in the city where de havilland is now headquartered so I’m pretty sure I’ve seen these a lot over here. At least aircraft that look like it.

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BrianEno_ate_my_DX7@reddit

Probably it’s two engined brother the Dash-8. Dash-7’s are fairly uncommon.

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Swimming-Success4458@reddit

Ngl I thought this was flight simulator at first

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notfinch@reddit

I was lucky enough to take a Berjaya Air Dadh 7 from Koh Samui to Subang about 14 years ago. That was an experience - that STOL performance is something else.

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