What if incels of today had access to a TNG holodeck?
Posted by baebae4455@reddit | TNG | View on Reddit | 343 comments
Would that be good or bad for society?
Posted by baebae4455@reddit | TNG | View on Reddit | 343 comments
Would that be good or bad for society?
7Valentine7@reddit
You saw what Reg did, right?
ProblemLongjumping12@reddit
Would they still count as incels?
Schrodinger's virgin.
FIzzletop@reddit
No, there’d be some slang to describe someone who’s only had/has sex in a holodeck, I just can’t think of what it’d be.
ProblemLongjumping12@reddit
Holosexual.
Inevitable-Charity91@reddit
Excellent!*😂
charbo187@reddit
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Inevitable-Charity91@reddit
That's a point, innit?
Optimaximal@reddit
Yeah, they'd only be true incels if the holograms rejected them.
ProblemLongjumping12@reddit
That would totally happen to Barclay.
Imagine being shot down by a computer program designed specifically to let you live out your fantasies.
Connect-Will2011@reddit
retired_WAwoodworker@reddit
Deserves way more than just “Likes”.
Inevitable-Charity91@reddit
That was outrageous. I got secondhand embarrassment from that.
ArbutusPhD@reddit
Abuse the holograms
retired_WAwoodworker@reddit
Lon Suder tried that. Knowing that they weren't flesh & blood negated the satisfaction of the abuse.
Appeared rather quickly for him, others w/less maladjusted personalities might take longer, but the show insinuated that eventually, the knowledge of the virtual nature of the “targets” nearly always ended up ‘souring the experience’.
[Why do I know so much about this topic?!?] 🙇♂️🤦🏻♂️
monkmatt23@reddit
Reg was just the tip of the iceberg. I have deep Lucid Dreams on my Holodeck each night. Just need to spend that week learning how to Lucid Dream.
retired_WAwoodworker@reddit
Actually, that's the thing, you wouldn't need to train yourself. The holodec can handle the “full 3-D & Sensory adaptations” to MAKE your experience a ‘physical’ (albeit simulated) lucid dream which you interact with in Conscious Real-Time. But, that might be one of the reasons why they started having Counselors on starships.
Holaddiction — the danger is Real!
andrewdivebartender@reddit
Exactly
TheJohnnyFlash@reddit
I'm play ball in college and am happily married, I would pack a lunch and lock the door behind me.
Leather-Heart@reddit
I think we need to stop judging people being closed doors. But we also should be locking our own does and keeping certain personal things to ourselves.
retired_WAwoodworker@reddit
That's important. Remember: Don't share vibrators...
Also, keep this in mind - It's OK to call the Quizzes ‘Quizzies’, but you can't do that w/the ‘Tests’
ExtensionInformal911@reddit
So you also downloaded a copy of 'Godess of Empathy'?
Oversteer_@reddit
Geordi and Harry Kim were also pretty good at falling for holograms iirc?
keeper0fstories@reddit
At least one of the holograms Kim fell for turned out to be an actual person, despite dumping him for Tuvok. The other turned into a cow.
retired_WAwoodworker@reddit
Don't forget about the ‘holpelganger’ that was modeled after a married woman...
BreakfastBeneficial4@reddit
Can I go home?
bigloser42@reddit
Also Janeway.
Subli-minal@reddit
Janeway didn’t fall for anyone. She picked a man from a lineup, defeated his wife, and convinced he he was happy to live in a fantasy land that could turn off at any time.
balor598@reddit
Not only that but she also altered his personality and made him educated and well spoken
UnexaminedLifeOfMine@reddit
And taller!!!
ChimPhun@reddit
I wonder if she was tempted to make him more lizard like.
dragoneer27@reddit
Of course not! Salamanders are completely different.
SignificantPop4188@reddit
Plus, she was faithful to Salamander Tom Paris.
retired_WAwoodworker@reddit
And I'm gonna say: I hope to God that salamander nymphs are “fully independent & capable” from hatching (or whatever) because if they require the parents to guide/nurture/feed/protect them, then the Voyager crew are guilty of Command Officer Progenesis Infanticide (COPI) {4 (5?) counts}
i_can_has_rock@reddit
this is like the bell curve meme
so....
also janeway
Forlorn_Cyborg@reddit
And Lwanana that one time.
Quick-Bad@reddit
Herbie Goes Lwananas
Tobi119@reddit
The Doctor too, but, you know...
7Valentine7@reddit
Yeah true.
InitiativeDizzy7517@reddit
Geordi also enjoyed his holodeck time.
7Valentine7@reddit
Yeah, that was awkward huh? Also a bit of an accident, especially compared to good ol' Broccoli!
Dartagnan1083@reddit
Barkley got therapy, Geordi kept figuratively fucking the ship until the real ship designer found him out and called it out.
honeybadger1984@reddit
Don’t kink shame. I loved Leah Brahms too.
Dartagnan1083@reddit
If I loved the warp core as much as Geordi did, I'd probably get into it too.
I don't want to kink shame, but getting fixated on his proxy made thing weird when it came time to be professional.
Hard to make jokes about mal-adaptive proclivities.
Far_Winner5508@reddit
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Far_Winner5508@reddit
ImeldasManolos@reddit
I’m sorry for being mad at you for taking my personality and image and turning it into your own personal sex show! You just wanted to be my friend. Let me divorce my husband and get married.
~ Leah Brahms
generic-user1678@reddit
Except Geordi didn't do any of those things. He created the program to help him figure out an engineering problem. The computer is the one that perverted the program. Sure, Geordi is guilty of falling for a fantasy, but it's not one he was trying to make. Leah also never said anything about being interested in Georidi.
I'm not saying Geordi is completely blameless, he still wasn't great in that episode where he meant the real Brahms. But he's not nearly the villain people make him out to be.
The_Original_Miser@reddit
Exactly. You're getting downvoted (I did my small part in an attempt to reverse that).
Like you said, Geordi isn't 100% innocent here. He should have known better than to fall for a fantasy. But it was the computer that gave her a personality (under Geordis direction) in an attempt to better solve a problem.
Sure, there's fan implications that something untoward happened, but that's all it is. An implication. Unless there's an alternative version on Cinemax that I'm unaware of, it was an error in judgement at worst and not this alleged sick fantasy that e trying makes it out to be.
Macien4321@reddit
Red Holodeck Diaries…….yet another show I’d probably watch the shit out of.
Mallwalker713@reddit
Everyone does that in The Sims tho lol
en_pissant@reddit
picard staged a mass shooting in a crowded bar. talk about incel behavior.
MaulerX@reddit
Barkley had way more issues than just being bad with women. He had terrible anxiety.
StannisTheMannis1969@reddit
🥦
sagesaks123@reddit
You mean Broccoli?
7Valentine7@reddit
Yes.
Inevitable-Charity91@reddit
Vol Cel here. I can't say anything about InCels but I got to a point where I just had enough. All I ever attracted were crazies. Go through that enough times and you're done. But in a way, it is like being an InCel, now that I think about it. Plus I loved a woman who I could never be with. That takes everything out of you. Very thoughtful comment though.
mowntandoo@reddit
"I've got her emptying **** out of the holodeck's *** filter"
Time-Touch-6433@reddit
People use it for that!?!?
nedeta@reddit
Yeah... its mostly that
El_human@reddit
There is another use?
nedeta@reddit
Its like the rest of the internet. 97% porn...but there is still youtube, wikipedia and the cesspool of propaganda that is facebook. Filling the other 3%
Dive30@reddit
Hey . . . I use FB to keep in touch with my friends and family. . . Nevermind. You were right.
ChimPhun@reddit
Welcome to Quarks!
-illusoryMechanist@reddit
That doesn't make sense to have as a real thing imo, that stuff should just get turned into raw materials via transporter tech
retired_WAwoodworker@reddit
You've got the right idea. Replicator tech was based on Transporter Tech, just another layer of Quantum/Datal manipulation.
God imma geek... 🤦🏻♂️
-illusoryMechanist@reddit
My watsonian hypothesis for why they might be there is from when Starfleet was still using protein resequencers- proteins sourced from human waste/emissions might need have to been treated in a particular fashion in order to make them food-safe for reqsequencing, and thus filtration systems were established and regulated to be installed in rooms where waste/emissions would frequently need to be cleaned up (bathrooms, showers, etc.)
Once the holographic simulation room rolled around, someone noticed that it fit the criteria and since food synthesizer tech still was largely similar to protein resequencers it was added to the list of rooms that required filtration.
Modern starfleet has no specific use for them, but the old regulations are still in place (and quite understandably, command doesn't really want to talk about it, so it never gets changed.) Engineers probably complain about having to install it on their ship designs, but by this point it's "just what they do" and install them on the ships regardless.
keepcalmscrollon@reddit
Holy shit, the holodeck exists to milk the hoo-mahns . . . matter to pride the replicators with raw material. I bet they capture waste too.
GlitchTheFox@reddit
Is that where they get all the organic material to synthesize food?
Dork_wing_Duck@reddit
Yeah, they'd have to make the holographic waste containers the size of silos.
demalo@reddit
If they’re recycling 98% of their antimatter waste, they’re recycling body fluids, I guarantee it.
FourzeRiderTea@reddit
It just gets jettisoned out into space , possibly burning up on re entry if they are near a planet during the scheduled Waste dump time
offinthepasture@reddit
Nah, it would be divided into it's individual atoms to he reused in the replicators.
PitifulGazelle8177@reddit
I just started watching that series yesterday and have ZERO regrets
Booksaregrand@reddit
Best line of that series. Like a slap in the face. Oh shit, I mean... ew.
RobertWF_47@reddit
Will there still be incels in the 24th century?
I get the impression that almost everyone is beautiful, smart, and well-adjusted, no serious mental illness or unhealthy addictions.
CAStrash@reddit
Barkley.
charbo187@reddit
Sir Charles?
Bollalron@reddit
Picard has a main character with a substance addiction problem.
spatula-tattoo@reddit
I think it was Scott Adams who said that the holodeck is the last thing humans will invent
Fine_Category4468@reddit
Nah, do you know the cool shit I could invent if I had a holodeck?
You could mock stuff up by talking. You could get a proof of concept in minutes rather than years.
charbo187@reddit
but why? at that point why not just have everyone on earth live inside a giant holodeck or everyone gets a closet/coffin sized personal holodeck to live out their personal fantasy lives?
the philosophical question here is if you can create a virtual reality that is indistinguishable from actual reality and you can also control everything in it so it is a perfect world built by you that you can do ANYTHING you want in, why would you ever live another second in the "real world"??
this is kinda my answer to the fermi paradox. where are all the aliens? they eventually create some kind of virtual world and they are there exploring "inner space" which is infinitely bigger than "outer space"
DarksideAuditor@reddit
Jesus, Cat, will you just let it go!? Your failed idea for a multi-point drildo that penetrates both you and your escort simultaneously will never make it to market!
retired_WAwoodworker@reddit
C’mon! How do ’ya know until you try?!
FourzeRiderTea@reddit
What is that from
PJ_Geese@reddit
I'd invent two chicks at the same time.
Fine_Category4468@reddit
You don't need a holodeck to get two chick's at the same time.
BrightPerspective@reddit
Like with chatGPT
DrewwwBjork@reddit
Nah, I disagree with him. It will be transporters.
charbo187@reddit
I was just watching a random TNG episode (S05E21 The Perfect Mate) and there is a part that made me realize why Riker "doesn't need Q's Fantasy Women"
After the alien metamorph (an empath woman played by the smokeshow Famke Janssen who basically becomes the perfect mate for any man she meets) rizzes up riker and he resists her, as soon as riker walks out the door he gets on his comms and says "if anyone needs me I'll be in holodeck 4"
lol basically flatly admitting to the audience that he was gonna go bust a nut in the holodeck.
he doesn't need Q's fantasy women cuz he has them all the time in the holodeck lmao
berthannity@reddit
They'd probably live in it 99% of the time like the rest of us.
CedgeDC@reddit
I've always found it hilarious that there's a handful of holodecks. They're public spaces that people can just walk into, and everyone's just totally sticking to pg13 uses for this thing. Something here doesn't add up.
Realistically this thing would mean the end of humanity lol
retired_WAwoodworker@reddit
Shhhhh!!!!
That’s Classified! Actually, it's a 23rd Century replacement for Eugenics!
There's a Dark Fleet program designed to let only the best & well grounded members of SrarFleet actually reproduce. All the others expend their, umm, “prospective descendents” into only virtual, umm, ‘receptacles.’ And the best part? THEY do it willingly w/no coercion! So...
Shhhhhhh!
buckao@reddit
"Facilities crew to the holodeck. Bring a pressure washer, a wet vac, and, hell, better grab a jackhammer just in case."
retired_WAwoodworker@reddit
Note to all Holodec Servicing Personnel: The Heat setting on a Type II Phaser has (all but) eliminated the need for an auto-percussive kinetic del...
FourzeRiderTea@reddit
And don't forget the therapist , don't want a repeat of the jockstrap incident
TomCBC@reddit
Honestly if you had a holodeck you’d only need the one room, plus bathroom.
comfortablynumb15@reddit
The Judge Dread comics had some kind of virtual reality “coffins” where it went from diversion to perversion to sentencing by Street Judges as it was a neural feed that learned and evolved until you went too far.
Been a long time since I read them, but seemed like a legitimate conclusion to having that at your fingertips to me.
Superman246o1@reddit
"Some of us prefer illusion to despair." \~~~Nelson Muntz~~ Reginald Endicott Barclay, III
retired_WAwoodworker@reddit
You all know that some Extreeeeeeeemly Distressed & Nerdy Incel would hack the program to make all the “love interest” characters lead the Program Runner on until just when it looks like they're gonna “get some”& then cruelly dump them...
RogueInVogue@reddit
Oh God the smell
Mysterious_Basil2818@reddit
Incels in a holodeck?
“Computer, start program ‘Andrew Tate in Romanian Prison’, extra lube and make sure the sound dampeners are on full power.”
monkehmolesto@reddit
Then they no longer involuntarily be celibate. I’m a married dude, but I’d gladly buy a holodeck if I could afford it. That’s basically a VR set on hyper steroids.
organic_bird_posion@reddit
Sherlock Holmes, Pulp detective novel, or 1960s Vegas casino?
monkehmolesto@reddit
First, I’m now Optimus Prime, leader of the autobots. Then some porn. Then I’m Cloud beating up Sephiroth, then Tifa’s top gets ripped off somehow. Then porn again.
BeatingClownz117@reddit
For some reason, this account of actions seems realistic…
FourzeRiderTea@reddit
And that last one gets live streamed to the Italian senate AGAIN
NashvilleSoundMixer@reddit
Indiana Jones all the waaaaaaaaaay babaaaay
ChimPhun@reddit
PORN
Sisselpud@reddit
They'd probably get really into LIGHT bondage.
wired1984@reddit
Incels would use it to relive every time a girl rejected them and strangle her. These people want to hate, not heal.
InsomniaticWanderer@reddit
You know the replicators have to pull matter from somewhere, right?
Think about that the next time you drink your tea, Earl Grey, hot.
PurpleSquare713@reddit
What happens in the holodeck stays in the holodeck.
ZealousidealSense646@reddit
Broccoli gives me anxiety
blastomatic-1975@reddit
How does having sex with a hologram work? Do you feel it? Once the program ends is there just splooge on the floor and a maintenance bot rolling in to squeegee it up?
MSDSS0@reddit
Fuck real people. They are mostly self absorbed pieces of shit anyway. I'll take a holo deck.
andio76@reddit
wrenvoltaire@reddit
Who can say? Blondes and ji** seldom go together
Valentonis@reddit
The Sydney Sweeney programs would gain sentience and start unionizing
crazytumblweed999@reddit
You don't want to know.
brasstext@reddit
The fabric of society would disintegrate if people had regular access to a real holodec. The poor saps would ask their illusions to be exactly who they wanted and over a short period of time any normal cultural interaction would be impossible.
GlockAF@reddit
Given that current AI data centers are drawing massive power, probably a world-wide rolling blackoutt
johnnyredleg@reddit
“Computer—increase her hair size by 100%”
WindyCityBowler@reddit
“Computer, pause program. Please MAKE her like me no matter what.”
andocromn@reddit
At that point it's not involuntary so the term incel wouldn't apply. If you're choosing to live in a holodeck, you've voluntarily chosen celibacy.
SpecialTable9722@reddit
Unfeasibly proportioned anime girls
HeadCryptographer152@reddit
One things for certain, it would be rare to see incels leave the holodeck if it existed.
SplendidPunkinButter@reddit
Multiple episodes conclude that holodeck characters can be sentient lifeforms, with Moriarty and Voyager’s Doctor being notable examples. Also Data, because he’s the same thing, only in a physical body. Best not to think about it too hard, actually.
Tall_0rder@reddit
They’d be so much worse.
SuitableAnimal8855@reddit
Someone is going to be cleaning the holodeck bio filters daily.
Gunslinger_11@reddit
Mostly the holodeck is used for
mochicoco@reddit
They would complain about fake IRL women are and them at they don’t act like “real” (holo) women.
Scarsdale81@reddit
If holodecks existed everyone would be an incel. The real sci-fi of StarTrek is the untold story of how society survived the invention of the holodeck.
nightdares@reddit
So we're just ignoring Barclay? He pretty much covered this.
Joeybfast@reddit
Incel? Why would this be just an incel thing .
Kennedygoose@reddit
We’d never have to hear them complain that’s for sure. Might have to hire more janitors though.
Margevo@reddit
Additional shifts cleaning the biofilters.
Equivalent-Ant-9895@reddit
I would honestly be terrified to see the kinds of programs they'd come up with.
I was originally going to say that hopefully in the 24th century society and individuals within society would have evolved beyond this in the first place, but then I realized that's obviously not the case. Barclay was infamous for his rather... "creative"... holodeck programs in which he lived out his fantasies. LaForge also seemed to be on the desperate side and was willing to turn to a holodeck program when he couldn't find any real person to seek any kind of affection from.
Shannon81forFun@reddit
It would probably become a new industry pretty quick with lots of creators proving it with content.
Revolutionary-Good22@reddit
I hate to say this, but they'd become abusive (to the simulated woman).
I've heard about what men due to AI girlfriends and it's awful. I guess bc the AI has to like them no matter what. Women may tend the same way. Who knows?
The-Minmus-Derp@reddit
My question is: is it abuse when the person in question isn’t real?
Obviously abuse is bad but I don’t see the comparison between what’s effectively a sex doll made of hard light with autogenerated character lines and an actual living breathing person.
The real problem is likely to arise when the person starts practicing this behavior on people who ARE real.
namewithanumber@reddit
My guess is it’d be treated as a psychiatric disorder of some kind and treated.
Like if someone was playing serial killer on the holodeck they’d get scheduled for some visits with Troi.
The-Minmus-Derp@reddit
How would they know? Privacy seems quite important in the trek universe
Turd_Ferguson_Lives_@reddit
Funny how incorrectly Star Trek predicted that part of the future.
The-Minmus-Derp@reddit
Maybe its a reaction to the current conditions
namewithanumber@reddit
What happens on the holodeck stays on the holodeck.
Poor boimler on filter cleaning duty.
cruisethevistas@reddit
I disagree.They’re wiring their brains for positive feedback with this behavior. It’s only a matter of time before they behave that way with people.
Haven’t you seen Westworld
SaepeNeglecta@reddit
So, you’re a believer that video games lead to violence.
cruisethevistas@reddit
No. Because people don’t orgasm over video games
Human-Assumption-524@reddit
What about pornographic video games?
Angam23@reddit
I understand where you're coming from with this, but I would argue that at the end of the day, dopamine is dopamine.
Elrond_Cupboard_@reddit
What, then, if the hologram is a child? Unfortunately, child sex dolls are already a thing. Though, I think they are illegal in most places.
craeftsmith@reddit
Too soon to draw conclusions, but you might want to read this
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/202304/can-sex-dolls-prevent-criminal-sexual-behavior?amp
Fully legal prostitution reduces sex crimes. This might turn out to be a good thing
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/720583#:~:text=Several%20single%2Dcountry%20studies%20in,criminalization%20tends%20to%20increase%20rape.
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craeftsmith@reddit
Oops. My bad :/
Latin_For_King@reddit
The man in black has entered the chat.
MedievalMitch@reddit
This is very philosophical but I would say yes. If the only difference is that one person is real and the other is a perfect simulation then I would say so.
I mean my dogs aren't even people but I treat them like my children and I thank Chat GPT for answering my questions just for a full picture of my end.
Revolutionary-Good22@reddit
I suppose that's a question that is yet to be studied. But I dont think this bodes well for human AI interactions.
SaepeNeglecta@reddit
I’m losing no sleep over the treatment of fake people. It’s like being concerned over a guy slapping his blowup doll.
ads1031@reddit
What do they do?
Revolutionary-Good22@reddit
Did a quick Google. I cannot vouch for the veracity of this site:
https://futurism.com/chatbot-abuse
questron64@reddit
It would kick parasocial relationships into warp 10. A holodeck in the hands of someone who cannot form healthy relationships or respect boundaries would just be horrible.
We're already seeing this on a very rudimentary level with AI girlfriends. For a certain type of personality they're already deep in the rabbit hole with these. Imagine spending hours every day and a lot of real money to converse with a chat bot that is pretending to be your girlfriend. A holodeck would be orders of magnitude worse.
Hunky_not_Chunky@reddit
Girlfriends? I’d say there be way more gay sex.
Rudolftheredknows@reddit
Definitely get some good data on the Kinsey scales actual distribution.
Turd_Ferguson_Lives_@reddit
Only for those who are sexually repressed, hence the abundance of gay sex.
BrightPerspective@reddit
Unless it has legit therapy built in
BigConstruction4247@reddit
And those AI programs are learning that humans are utterly awful. The robot revolution will start because of these chat bot girlfriends.
Astrophysics666@reddit
Selling your sexy hologram would be the new onlyfans.
xtopherpaul@reddit
It would probably relieve some tension and they’d lay off 4chan and chill
Odd-Zebra-5833@reddit
Always thought it’d be cool if they addressed people getting mixed up on if they are in the holodeck or real life. I could see that being an interesting issue and frequently trying to pause real life or something lol. Or maybe they have and I don’t remember it.
Weasel699@reddit
i'd use it to spend more time with my dad. he's not with us anymore
shadowwolf892@reddit
It'd be a better world because they'd never come out?
ParaUniverseExplorer@reddit
As Boimler: Ok, ok I’m definitely not on Holodeck disposal.
jdlyga@reddit
If you’ve seen the Bortus holodeck addiction episode of the Orville, exactly that.
FourzeRiderTea@reddit
500 dildoes
Odd-Yak4551@reddit
Birth rate would decline drastically
GGABQ505@reddit
Incels by definition are not participating in procreation.
Sad-Mathematician570@reddit
Yeah but... I'm inclined to think there would be more than just incels there
Human-Assumption-524@reddit
Why would people who are already getting frequently laid feel the need to use a holodeck for that purpose?
Also I feel like a civilization with the technology to produce holodecks would also have sufficient technology to figure out how to produce new generations without coitus.
Sad-Mathematician570@reddit
Oh darling... :)
ChimPhun@reddit
Unless they incorporate some kind of 'bank' that feeds invitro from these holodecks, has growers similar to the matrix. It's also a bit of cleaning that way 🤪
unbalancedcheckbook@reddit
Don't dare robots!
-Thaaa Space Pope.
thestonedbandit@reddit
It was Earth! Don't Date Robots!
I knew I should have shown him Electro Gonorrhea, The noisy killer.
thedrunkmonk@reddit
No, thanks, Dad. I'd rather make out with my Monroe-bot.
Cerberus1349@reddit
Brought to you by the space pope!
FourzeRiderTea@reddit
He stole Vegeta's throne
HookDragger@reddit
They’d never leave
Certain-Appeal-6277@reddit
I don't know, does Federation law block you from being able to be sadistic to holograms, or does it just automatically alert a mental health specialist if you do?
gillyrosh@reddit
I shudder to think.
TransportationNew715@reddit
It would be like West World
Infamous-Object-2026@reddit
well it certainly wouldn't look like a seedy bar with a woman in red. more like a forest full of r$ped little girls and women hanging dead by their n#cks.,
otoolemmobile@reddit
That postnut clarity would change the world.
snortcoke4life@reddit
Can u do drugs in there and would it work
MelonSmuggler@reddit
Most of them are so far gone at this point they wouldn't even use it the way you think. They'd probably create a program where they team up with Andrew Tate to bully shrill, blue-haired straw feminists into silence then sit and smoke cigars together with their shirts off after a heavy workout
rygelicus@reddit
The bigger issue would be the self labeled 'alphas'. They would create holodeck stories in which they could be as abusive to the women as they wished, even to the extremes of killing them for failing to please them. The 'incels' would do what Barclay did for the most part, create stories in which they feel appreciated.
Jaxson626@reddit
Welll I wouldn’t want to clear it
Human-Assumption-524@reddit
Honestly it would probably mellow them out and help them get rid of the anxiety that leads to their feelings of resentment for greater society.
bilvester@reddit
We woukd never see them again?
samhain2000@reddit
Sales for rhe flior squeegee would go through the roof.
DrDreiski@reddit
That’d be a real sticky situation…
IZZ5150@reddit
Well Reginald Barclay kind of showed us…
Flat_Suggestion7545@reddit
Two main options.
1 - the holodeck would look like a Jackson Pollock painting under black light
2 - they’d still get turned down
Astrophysics666@reddit
In lower decks they have to clean out the waste liquid from the holodecks. I bets thats just the "liquid" the crew have been leaving behind
NashvilleSoundMixer@reddit
I'll bet the holodeck has a self cleaning laser system like the anti graffiti systems from Demolition Man
generic-user1678@reddit
It is canon that ships in star trek (at least starting with tng era) clean themselves
Flat_Suggestion7545@reddit
If not they definitely need one.
honeybadger1984@reddit
Bad. It’s bad enough that incels use the Internet to be even more reclusive and incelly than usual. A fully interactive Holodeck would make Geordi, Broccoli, and Leah Brahms blush with what we come up with.
TNG and DS9 were limited to PG television. The actual Holodeck would be NC17 then banned by congress, Max Hardcore style.
generic-user1678@reddit
Rather than banned, I feel like it be more of a program control thing. Holodecks (as shown in trek) are too large anyways for someone to have on their home (with the exception of the DS9 holosweets, but even then). There's also specialized power systems to consider. I'd imagine real holodeck implementation would work most similarly to the holosweets at quarks, where a company owns them, and programs need to be loaded in by the company. Meaning, you can control who has access to what
Frequent_Charge_7804@reddit
But there'd be a special exemption for members of Congress, obviously.
C_M_Dubz@reddit
But wouldn’t that be better for the rest of us? They’d be protecting society by effectively putting themselves on house arrest.
delilamafuloftrauma@reddit
We’d easily clean the gene pool and they’d be happy.
lovesquid69@reddit
They’d still be fucked up
Proud_Awareness4048@reddit
They'd be worse than the Far Zenith in Horizon Forbidden West. Yuck 🤢
Luinori_Stoutshield@reddit
Sales of mops would skyrocket. Think of the cleanup involved.
DesperateLuck2887@reddit
Have you heard of the rats that just kept pressing the pleasure button until they starved to death? That.
EntertainmentMean611@reddit
They'd probably just make cyber trucks.
xczechr@reddit
Computer: Blondes and jazz seldom go together.
oppenae@reddit
They would be vcels.
Noahms456@reddit
There would be an underclass of Holodeck janitors that were well-paid but in a sub caste lower than garbage men
Comfortable_Prize750@reddit
There'd be a squeegee hanging by the door.
ChopinLisztforus@reddit
Quark would make alot of money that's for sure!
Nihtmusic@reddit
They would find something to bitch about. Some minuscule little detailed of the production would bother them and they would have to make sure they could write a 1 star review somewhere about it.
Primary-Birthday-363@reddit
Hologram are the best you can just turn them off when you’re done. 🤣🤣
RealMackJack@reddit
So much bashing of single males on this thread. Finding a GF is very easy for a lot of men, but it's not that easy for everyone for a variety of reasons.
For example, trauma in childhood may have negatively affected their social skills or capacity to form relationships, or they are on the spectrum, or just born not very good looking. All off those things send women running and it's not always the guy's fault. So yeah, men will turn to things like porn to fulfill the basic need for intimacy and if holodecks well I don't need to say it. I think this dumping on men who are not very successful at relationships is just going to make things worse for everybody.
MoreThanANumber666@reddit
Incels would still get rejected by any holodeck ladies.
Mediocre-Catch9580@reddit
Who hurt you and what did they do?
Crate-Dragon@reddit
Watch the Orville and you’ll get an idea.
burke6969@reddit
They might actually be happy and leave us alone.
NobelPirate@reddit
Bortus has entered the holodeck
First_Doctor_5823@reddit
Holodeck cleaner would be a $500k a year job.
ephemeralspecifics@reddit
They'd want real women.
People in the past knew how to handle the surplus of males. War, priesthood, and adventure.
Now all we have is... uh... pornhub.
The-Minmus-Derp@reddit
Surplus? There are more women than men
craeftsmith@reddit
That's not true. For example https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Population-pyramid-of-male-and-female-categorized-in-age-group_fig1_329207820
The-Minmus-Derp@reddit
It is across the planet as a whole. You’re little bangladesh pyramid isn’t helpful.
craeftsmith@reddit
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2013/09/24/the-odds-that-you-will-give-birth-to-a-boy-or-girl-depend-on-where-in-the-world-you-live/#:~:text=Research%20over%20hundreds%20of%20years,gender%20balance%20in%20the%20population.
savoont@reddit
Not back then, most women died giving birth to children so most men who lived past 30 would be married several times
Heimdall5@reddit
He’s correct. Google it. Women had it tough in the medieval days.
Quailman5000@reddit
Stop while you are ahead... Or not quite so far behind anyway.
PlebasRorken@reddit
Most?
IronHarrier@reddit
Pornhub and video games seem to keep them relatively quiet.
AlteranNox@reddit
Don't forget brothels. The world would literally be a safer place if men could walk into a store and get laid whenever they needed.
Buddin3@reddit
I assume it was self cleaning.
I pray it was self cleaning.
Bright-Internal229@reddit
ProperSupermarket3@reddit
Mechagodzilla4@reddit
Reminds me of red dwarf where lister spent most of his time shagging
Rocketboy1313@reddit
They would do what likely happened in Star Trek.
They self selected out of the world at large, disappearing into a fantasy.
People who valued material progress and knowledge defined the real world then on out.
My-Second-Account-2@reddit
Then they'd be complaining on X about the immigrants hired to clean the holodecks.
sweatstaksleestak@reddit
https://i.redd.it/y3upge2mgkrd1.gif
StoicPixie@reddit
They'd be using it the same way they're using character chat bots right now: spawning anime cat girls to be creepy submissive waifus.
Hooka1234@reddit
Just imagine a Ferengi head on that Pamela-body…
itsmejpt@reddit
They wouldn't be our problem anymore.
Bes1208@reddit
Lower Decks getting assigned Holodeck Waste Removal is so funny, but so gross.
Mental-Street6665@reddit
Would it really be that different from porn?
Cassandra_Canmore2@reddit
What if inceld of today had access to a holodeck?
The bio-filters would clog within minutes.
FnGugle@reddit
There would be no such thing as internet porn, would there?
Joe3Eagles@reddit
Hell, I'd build an underground bunker, install the holodeck there, and never leave! My wife would happily sign the divorce papers once she saw what I was doing down there. 😂
Exaltedautochthon@reddit
"Ugh, I can't believe people use it for that." "Oh yeah, it's...mostly that."
Ridiculousnessmess@reddit
They’d be like Krieger from Archer with his hologram waifu, except way more rancid.
Aezetyr@reddit
It would embolden them to be worse than they already are. They don't need holodecks, they need professional help.
jackparadise1@reddit
They would never leave.
InfinityWarButIRL@reddit
they would get mad at anyone who wrote a holodeck program where the women weren't busty and available just like today's gamers
Mobile_Pangolin4939@reddit
Why worry about someone else's personal fantasies. It's their own to choose whether lewd or not. The holodeck most likely wouldn't be different from watching porn for someone that was interested in that.
cheezfreek@reddit
Better beef up those biofilters.
Drakeytown@reddit
They'd be so much worse because they'd program simulations that "confirmed" their beliefs about women.
Dlo24875432@reddit
They would be a lot less stressed
PM_ME_UR_FLOWERS@reddit
They'd be too busy to be writing manifestos, that's for damn sure.
WestNomadOnYT@reddit
If I had a holodeck, I’d try to see if it could run VRChat.
balor598@reddit
Exactly what everyone is doing in the Star Trek universe.... banging the holograms, at least they were more open about it in voyager and ds9. Hell quark used his holo suite as a virtual brothel
MeatyDullness@reddit
Probably be good overall. Everyone needs affection and intimacy but not everyone gets it. I know of which I speak, I have the sex appeal of a bowl of Gagh
Sorry_Masterpiece350@reddit
Like a bunch of Barkleys……
The-Figure-13@reddit
About the same as same as Futurama’s sex bits
TheZooCreeper@reddit
Could solve a lot of problems if it kept them occupied.
Sagelegend@reddit
Does it count as being an incel if they’re no longer celibate?
greendemon42@reddit
They would still gripe about it.
Squirra@reddit
I can’t stop thinking about the penultimate episode of Voyager, where The Doctor is back on Earth with a presumably flesh-and-blood WIFE, which raises ALL SORTS of questions which are never addressed.
Seditious_Me@reddit
Ask this guy
loki700@reddit
Isn’t that just Geordi?
conanmagnuson@reddit
American militia membership numbers would be through the floor.
De2nis@reddit
Springfield Pervert voice: Ohohoho yeah!
Overall_Falcon_8526@reddit
They'd probably still find a way to make actual women miserable.
avid-book-reader@reddit
Are holodecks self-cleaning? 😂
Joking aside, it really isn't about having sex for incels. What drives their anger and nihilism is that society isn't bending over backwards to cater to them.
Broflake-Melter@reddit
pretty sure if holodecks were real there would be blocks on doing sexual things with holograms based on real people. Actually, there would be a lot of blocks that they don't call out in the shows.
Tacothekid@reddit
I shudder to think 😂
Jubal_Harshaw1972@reddit
It would be sticky.
krayhayft@reddit
So much furry porn programs...so much..
USSPlanck@reddit
Those are just engineers and computer scientists. I don't think the Venn diagram of incels and furries has a shared area of more than 0.1%
syndus@reddit
Oh dude...I would recreate mxc and the cast and crowd and be a contestant every time, ✌️
Wonderful_Adagio9346@reddit
They kinda do, with the AI sexchats.
thepianoman456@reddit
They’d be doing a lot more than trombone solos, I’ll tell you that.
okay-then08@reddit
God help the soul who has to clean that place up
MurrayPicardy@reddit
Where else do you think AI is going? The whole touch thing is a long way off. But you'd be able to create programs to watch or interact with in VR in the next 5 years or so.
Stardustchaser@reddit
It would be a nudier version of Barclay’s stuff
djonesie@reddit
Is this the same bar scene they used in the holodeck Picard s3? Pretty cool Easter egg if so.
terradaktul@reddit
Nobody in the real world would ever see me again
Nichtsein000@reddit
Not just incels
darylonreddit@reddit
Wow I'd love it if I never saw the two relevant terms of this post in the same sentence ever again.
Or to put it another way, stop stirring shit into my coffee.
Root_Veggie@reddit
Does the holodeck clean up the spunk too?
i-like-legos2@reddit
No different than incels back in the day
Booksaregrand@reddit
They would program what the thought the perfect woman would be. She wouldn't live up to what they wanted. Then they would tweak for a long time, trying to make her what they think they want. Eventually, they would call the holodeck woke and quit. They'd leave just as depressed and lonely as when they entered, somehow blaming women for their issue.
baebae4455@reddit (OP)
lol @ woke holodeck
wb6vpm@reddit
holodeck computer self-terminates the program...
iXenite@reddit
TNG did explore what the holodeck may do to someone that has difficulty forming relationships with other people. If we were to ever have a technology as advanced as the holodeck, unhealthy attachments to it would be likely.
Even factoring out sex, you can probably imagine a lot of people that would prefer living in a holodeck than face their real life. DS9 did an episode that dealt with something similar to that as well.
Though I am curious what a holodeck would cost in real life. Not just to buy, but to run something like it. I would assume it would be expensive, and that alone would likely be a big hurdle for a lot of people. So maybe we won’t be rushing into a dystopia too quickly with a real life holodeck, lol.
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Suspicious-Spot-5246@reddit
I think the fact that men would consider this or Ai girlfriends as an option shows that there is something wrong with society. Incels are a product of modern society. I see a large market for Ai robotic girlfriend for a lot of males not just incels. The fact that fertility (decline in the birth of children), and relationships similar to marriage are on the decline further illustrates this fact.
When this happens something is broken with society. I am not saying that things need to go back to the past where women were subsugated or anything like that but society needs to find a way around this inpass. Where real people want to be in real relationship and are willing to make it work and not just end the relationship because it is easier that way. Of course I am not talking about making it work if domestic violence is involved.
There is a lot of people that are just confused by what society expects from them. With talks of toxic masculinity and the perception that it is impolite/rude to approach women to ask them out.
There are middle age people like me that are not incels want a relationship but don't want to risk financial future on a real relationship as we have got comfortable lives. So in my case yes the holodeck would be an option I would consider if it existed. Ai girlfriend no.
nebelmorineko@reddit
I think the main problem is there is a section of men who do want things to go back to the past and there is not an equal number of women who agree with them and want to be treated the way men want to treat them.
The whole term 'incel' came from 'involuntary celibate' but a lot of the men we label as such aren't that- it's not that they can't have sex it's that they can't have the sex they think they deserves so they refuse everything they think is beneath them (which is all the sex they could have) and are super mad about it.
Suspicious-Spot-5246@reddit
Yes. There is no reason to go back. I do know where the term incel came from thanks. I would say there is a small minority that truly fit into the incel category. Like you say some will want to have sex with people that are clearly out of their reach. There will also be cases where the woman just rejects because on face value which is her choice. However I have heard where this happens they give them a change and things work out. It is complicated. What I have found at least in my country is that woman in general don't want to just have a conversation to see if the man is at least worth looking at (date). A conversation where there is no expectations. However in places like Singapore women are more willing to just have a chat. Nothing may come of it which is fine but it is good for the woman because they can see if they want to date and open themselves up to different options that may work and for the man it gives a confidence boost so they are willing to try again. That kind of thing to me is win win for both.
ohneatstuffthanks@reddit
Clearly you’re not familiar with high res vr porn media out there, because we pretty much made it to that point. …..So I heard I mean I have no idea what it’s like
redbob70@reddit
You'd never see them again.
MedicJambi@reddit
just hope it's not a Klingon using the holodeck.
CatLazy2728@reddit
First we would grow up and stop blaming women. And two, we would make a bar with better lighting. And three, we would grow a Riker beard and cast away our shark jump. Basically, "Man up"
Dartagnan1083@reddit
Get weird stuff out of our system and then join the fleet for something real.
Jhublit@reddit
What if any of us had access to a Holodeck?!
WetBandit06@reddit
I would probably just be like “ Bar. 1980s USA.”
blevok@reddit
I don't care about incels, they can do what they want with it. I'm much more concerned with criminals using it for nefarious purposes.
Bitter-Hat-4736@reddit
How would a criminal use a holodeck for nefarious purposes?
blevok@reddit
They could use it to rehearse robberies, kidnappings, assassinations, etc. We've seen it used to kindap a crew, or steal a ship, like what happened in Insurrection. And in Homeward the holodeck was used to relocate colonists while they were sleeping. And then there's Moriarty, and Chaotica.
RodneyFlavourstein@reddit
Or, what if, “literally anyone with functioning genitals” of today?
Agitated-Asparagus23@reddit
Incels? Sure, Riker and Barclay were on the creepy spectrum. There were teenagers on that ship. Did Wesley have unfettered access to holodecks? I doubt it, I'm sure there were parental controls. Then again, bypassing parental controls seems right up Wesley's alley.
donpuglisi@reddit
So... DS9 and LD both explicitly say most people use holodecks/holosuites for virtual sex
BrockSamsonLikesButt@reddit
The global overpopulation problem would cease.
LtM4157@reddit
They wouldn’t be incels. I mean there would be a whole litany of other problems.
SWIMheartSWIY@reddit
To goon where no man has gooned before
Jean-LucBacardi@reddit
Incels? What if any male teenage and above had access to it?
Raterus_@reddit
Best! day! EVER!
Wavehopperer@reddit
A whole new cottage industry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLXytukNlFM
Alaskan_Guy@reddit
They'd still get rejected by the programming. They would become even more unhinged and start a new loser manophesto raging against Holodeck programmers
ShiveringTruth@reddit
They’d be Holocels.
MuskyFelon@reddit
Incense? Can you imagine having holodeck clean up duty and seeing Riker booked two hours in there that day? Oof. Get out the hazmat suits.
DavefromCA@reddit
Are holodecks sealed against bodily fluids?
PhilAggie1888@reddit
They'd still watch Star Trek reruns.
Johnsendall@reddit
There’d be a lot of lightsaber battles
PuzzleheadedProgram9@reddit
I'm sure people never leave.... Why would you?
Unit_79@reddit
It’d be awesome because they’d be in there all the time and we wouldn’t have to deal with them.
skittlesaddict@reddit
Running up their parents' power bill while they rub ointment on all the blisters they've developed.
Fit-Force-7975@reddit
It'd be good to practice before going on a real date, if anything
KobePippenJordan_esq@reddit
Only fans would fold
JeffGoldblump@reddit
They still couldn't get laid
clutzyninja@reddit
Not even a program with no agency would sleep with those losers
ActuaLogic@reddit
Isn't that what the holodeck is about?
torgobigknees@reddit
it would be good overall. I dont think women would like it though.
Alpha6673@reddit
They would have to create laws to protect the wider public because of the sexual degeneracy that the Incels will create with this technology.
baebae4455@reddit (OP)
“Why bother with real emotions when you can just program her to love you without question?
Sir_tupin_hat@reddit
I honestly don’t think it would make a difference. They would continue to resent real women and would fall deeper into their uncle identity because their idea of a woman would warp even further from reality than it already is.
sunkskunkstunk@reddit
What a dame.