The second amendment does not place restraints on gun ownership based on skin color. Every US citizen should be allowed to exercise their constitutional right
Yeah, the declaration of independence was very clear about who has rights, all humans do. Basic intrinsic rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
What are your thoughts of felons and other people deemed unfit? Also people who are clearly intoxicated? Having the government decide who can and can't have guns/certain rights can get so murky.
I think we need a massive prison reform firstly, because this question becomes very murky without that disclaimer. If we had a prison system that actually rehabilitated criminals, I would say with absolute certainty if someone is out and about freely, they should freely have their rights. If they're still such a danger to society, why are they out?
You shouldn't drink and drive, but we don't stop people from carrying their keys, do we? I mean, shit, if someone is drunk and wants to cause harm, they're gonna do it.
Yeah in an ideal society, I definitely feel the same way.
> You shouldn't drink and drive, but we don't stop people from carrying their keys, do we?
I mean ,yeah we kinda do. The answer isn't an actual full **Yes** we do but we actually do *kinda* do stop people who are drunk from carrying their keys. Especially when they're going outside or leaving somewhere. They might say they're not gonna drive but they're, you know, drunk. So you can't blame someone for being suspicious and wanting to play on the safe side.
>I mean, shit, if someone is drunk and wants to cause harm, they're gonna do it.
Yes, but you can arguably limit the harm they're going to try to cause. Though realistically, the argument to prevent drunks from buying a firearm is more applicable to prevent accidental harm or harmful negligence. People drink and drive dangerously everyday in the US and we absolutely should tighten up on it. It's also already illegal to handle a firearm while drunk in most (all?) states so stopping sales of it to someone clearly intoxicated isn't a huge step.
*But*, therein lies the deeper question. I said it somewhere else so I'll just repeat it here. "If bearing arms is an unalienable natural right, then it's arguable that you can't deny someone that right simply for being drunk." I'm personally a tiny bit mixed on what the legalities of handling a firearm while drunk should be but I cannot deny that it isn't reckless handling of a firearm. Which I would agree should be illegal.
Felons - If they're safe to be out of prison, then they should be safe enough to be armed. If that's insufficient, then maybe we need to take a hard look at how we punish crime.
Drunk - Simply being drunk with a gun isn't sufficient reason to be disarmed. Hell, I've been drunk and decided to reorganize my gunsafe. Nobody was harmed. Well, sober me did have deal with the assanine way drunk me organized it.
>If that's insufficient, then maybe we need to take a hard look at how we punish crime.
We absolutely do need to take a hard look at how we punish crime. Currently prison is overwhelmingly not a rehabilitation tool rather it's simply a punishment. People absolutely come out of prison *worse* than they are coming into prison.
There's also the question of what criteria is there to deem someone "safe" enough to leave prison. If someone goes to prison for assault, felony or misdemeanor, they might be out in just a few years without showing any change in behavior. I don't believe they should stay in prison for life for assault but I also absolutely agree that many come out likely to reoffend. I don't think "likely to offend" is good enough to extend someone's prison sentence either.
By drunk, I didn't mean to to disarm them but I meant you can't sell a firearm to someone clearly intoxicated. If bearing arms is an unalienable natural right, then it's arguable that you can't deny someone that right simply for being drunk.
I also mentioned those "unfit" referring to those who are mentally ill, or those with various mental disabilities. I find this to be particularly complicated since I don't really have an answer beyond determining if they can give consent. Currently, correct me if I'm wrong, I think it's illegal to sell a firearm to someone if you know they've ever even been involuntarily committed to a mental institution. On one hand I get the reasoning, but on another hand it circles back to "if they're safe enough to let out in public" argument.
In the US, prison isn't typically a means of rehabilitation but a means of punishment. So yes, I wholeheartedly agree that people who are still a danger or harmful to society (not even violently) are released from prison. Though I also do not believe these people should simply serve life sentences. There's also the question of what criteria allows someone to "be trusted" out of prison for a violent crime, such as simple assault or even domestic violence.
The founders had a belief that people were mostly capable of self regulating their own actions which is why they favored a small government with limited powers. Responsibility is a becessary underpinning of liberty. There are a lot of nonviolent felons out there who are stripped of a number of rights. As for the violent ones, it's a problem of our prison system failing to rehabilitate people.
Agree. The refusal of the state to return rights to people convicted of felonies, who serve their sentence and are then released, is an implicit admission that the prison system is a failure.
You can get your 2a rights back with a felony as long as it's not murder, rape, anything violent. My friend actually did this was not very hard as long you haven't committed anymore crimes since said felony.
The other difference is that back in the day felony convictions meant death. The state has in some aspects weaponized the judicial system to strip people of their rights by widening what we consider to be felonious conduct on top of a prison system incapable of rehabilitation mixed with societal conditions which increase the likelihood of recidivism. Government is incredibly good at creating problems and then stripping away liberties in search of a cure.
Possessing something should not be an illegal action. Doing something evil with that item should be the illegal part. Stopping someone from doing something dangerous or irresponsible is the infringement. Even drunk driving. If it doesn't affect someone else, shouldn't be illegal. But! If you do hurt or kill someone else, extreme punishment. If there was no risk of a second or third DUI, they would go down dramatically.
Really bad take. Driving drunk isn't just "Gee I dunno, I *think* that *might* be dangerous." It's "This *is* demonstrably dangerous."
https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving
Actually the success and legal basis for the emancipation and civil rights movements were literally due to our founding documents because they didn't actually exclude anyone, you could literally stand on the street with a big bill of rights and point at the fact that segregation was against the ideals we were founded upon.
That doesn't really matter, these were hot button issues for pretty much all of American history, its not like they up and decided one day to have a civil war, people argued and argued and compromises were made very specifically to not have to have a million Americans die in the process of emancipation and they did anyway, we have literally been moving towards those things since before the country was founded but you choose to ignore the reality that it was not so simple as just passing a law one day to change it without fracturing the country into a series of wars. People like the bring up the UK ending slavery but there all you had to do to change things was convince the aristocracy and everyone else's opinions didn't really matter that much, not so in the US, it required a super majority of representatives from all the states to do.
The whole reason why we gave non-Whites equal rights was because someone brought up our constitution and the words that are written on it. Seethe about it, racist.
Stop and think about what "giving non-whites" entails. Who has that authority? And why? What possible sort of governing body would be deciding what rights "non-whites" are allowed to have? You think maybe a system that puts white people above everyone else might be the actual racist component?
Acknowledging America's racist history isn't racist. Your lack of critical thinking however leaves something to be desired.
Lmfao
\*laughs in NFA/GCA/FOPA\*
If a right can be denied based upon a arbitrary set of circumstances that politicians are paid to vote for, it's not a right.
I’m a foreigner with a green card and I own guns!! I’m a permanent resident with a wife and child (both citizens) and pretty soon after I got my green card I went and bought a 12 gauge shotgun. I now own a couple of handguns and I want a Henry big boy pretty soon too.
4473 is a rights infringement. You shouldn’t have to tell the gov about guns you are buying or so for permission to do so, just to buy from a dealer.
Also, in current statutes, you don’t need to file a 4473 to own, only to buy from an FFL.
2A Free For All idea: Every gun owner, every gun store, every gun distributor / Importer, every gun manufacturer and at least one shipping company totally ignore any and all gun laws.
Total pipe dream because all it takes is one fudd to fuck the whole thing up.
Cannot vote *now*.
During the early era of your country, there were [several states where non-citizens enjoyed suffrage.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-citizen_suffrage_in_the_United_States#No_citizenship_requirement_for_suffrage)
no, non citizens cannot vote
immigrants can become citizens, they're still immigrants, but they're also citizens and can vote
I can't be the only one who's family immigrated to the US
In the founders’ day they could vote. Citizenship was a requirement for running for office, it didn’t become a requirement for voting till the anti-immigrant wave in the early 1900’s.
I didn’t know that. Didn’t the south also introduce laws saying only people that were 2nd or 3rd generation American citizens could vote? This was done to prevent former slaves from voting.
So Reagan was wrong about that. Not that hard an idea to reconcile. Shockingly, a belief in gun rights or the constitution doesn’t mean you have to be a carbon copy of Ronald Reagan.
He's held by many people who lean politically right as a paragon of freedom. They ignore the fact that their icon had distinct opinions on who did and didn't deserve freedom. 2A rights was one of his victims.
Take that attitude and take a lap.
Gun rights are human rights The 3 inalienable are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Right to survive in this world and guns are what allows people to defend that rightfrom nature and man. Right to liberty both from the tyrannical predations of governments and rulers and the tyrannies on a personal level of other men, including, murder, harm, rape... Right to the pursuit of happiness including defending one's life and the fruits of their works from racism, totalitarianism and the evils that the callow and small minded would force upon any man.
Of any skin color, any class or social standing. Period.
Human rights aren’t those limited to what is written on a document that can be amended and has been amended. The original constitutional right for firearms, not human right but constitutional, reserved it for militias and not personal ownership. If you believe human rights are limited to what a document says, then you would have to argue that slavery wasn’t a human rights issue before it was written as an amended and that it only applies as a human rights issue in places where it is written into law. That’s illogical.
Every white conservative I know is pro-gun AND pro-minorities having guns. In fact, any time I see someone arguing with them and yelling "RAY-Scissum!" They politely retort "armed minorities are harder to oppress".
The majority of white conservatives are pro-everyone being armed. The fact that you think otherwise tells me you don't actually conversate with white conservatives.
Dude's obviously just never been to any of the places where black people and white people own property next to each other and go shooting together and think nothing of it, therefore in his world places that that don't exist.
So just for fun I went through some of your posts.
Have you ever left whatever leftist utopia you call home?
Seriously, you just babble leftist talking points and have no original ideas.
What's the conservative towns you spent time in? 1950s Mississippi?
I’m leftist? What lmao I’m the exact opposite 💀 comment on the wrong user? I’ve spent lots of time in rural Georgia with my family down there , I’ve never once seen a black man arrested for no reason
So just for fun I went through some of your posts.
Have you ever left whatever leftist utopia you call home?
Seriously, you just babble leftist talking points and have no original ideas.
What's the conservative towns you spent time in? 1950s Mississippi?
>Every US citizen should be allowed to exercise their constitutional right
That's funny.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford\_Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act)
Look who signed the act and why.
" Both Republicans and Democrats in California supported increased gun control, as did the [National Rifle Association of America](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association_of_America).[\[9](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act#cite_note-Time_1-9) "
>" Both Republicans and Democrats in California supported increased gun control, as did the National Rifle Association of America.[9 "
Yes, because **fifty six years ago** most of the country was run by *fucking racists*. In 1967 the FHA was *still* enforcing redlining, barring blacks from buying in white neighborhoods. Back in 1967 [less than 20% of the country approved of interracial marriage]( https://imgur.com/CQUlcKs.jpg). The whole country was full of *fucking racists*.
So now you come here with a fact about a political decision made before many of us were even born and think because it involves Reagan and the NRA that it's some sort of "gotcha" against present-day gun rights proponents? GTFO with that bullshit. At the risk of repeating myself, **all those assholes were fucking racists**.
>Yes, because
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>fifty six years ago
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That is still the case. e.g. see the recent gerrymandering cases, see how the voting places are reduced "miraculously" only where majority black county are (in southern state), noisy and polluting industry only shifted in majority blacks county, same in cities and many other instances.
Oh , it is better than 56 years ago yes, but only slightly - a good part of the US (especially the southern states) still has to be dragged kicking and screaming when it comes to equality.
What is so ironic gun control here in Cali comes from racist gun control acts to stop black people from owning guns
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for example a big gun law wave due to the black panthers for example
Article 1 of the constitution provides for the establishment of the post office, hasn’t stopped certain people from attempting to destroy it. The constitution was the beginning, and can be flaunted heavily without consequence in the end. Look at the very first gun control laws and see who they were meant to disarm
It’s one of the few things I’ll tend to agree with anti-gun folks about in a twisted way.
Arming minorities leading to gun control.
I disagree with the gun control aspect but absolutely. If black gun owners legally start becoming much more involved in gun ownership triggers calls for gun ownership good.
They’re exercising their rights, exposing some blatant racism, and fuck the gun control.
Let them tell on themselves and become a target.
Honestly it’s pretty much the peak of my problem with the NRA, clearly not championing minority 2nd amendment issues throughout the past 6 decades, god damn hypocrites.
Lol, tell that to the fugitive slave patrols - I mean police. All gun control laws are unconstitutional and they only reason they’ve been allowed is because they’re mainly enforced against minorities. Look at Reagan and the NRA, or the 90s AWB after the rooftop koreans.
Ronald Reagan signed the first gun control legislation in California after the Black Panthers armed themselves and only calmly stood outside the state capitol building
No the argument is that the gun community is mostly white and racist. So when more and more black people have guns, the gun community will jump on board legislating gun control because of their racist attitudes. The problem is the gun community isn't like that anymore and hasn't been for awhile. So any time that bs gets said, most people are like "fuck ya, more people using these products and keeping them in common use to help fight against gun grabbers."
The local range in my area has more Asians than any other group, all we talk about is red-dots, glass, and grip positions. The only people caring about race are outside the community
I’m the area I grew up in Missouri it still very much is racist. I’ve found private shooting groups that aren’t like that but the racist attitude is very much there still. There’s even an active chapter of the KKK that commingles with some of the ones I’ve checked out.
Just because your area isn’t racist doesn’t mean it’s gone.
Not saying it's gone but by and large it's nothing like the full might of the gun lobby and it's supporters are gonna start pushing for gun law changes because more black people own guns.
That’s the way I’m understanding it. They apparently think an AR15 in a black persons hand is a bad idea and will speed up the gun banning. It’s pretty messed up logic but hilarious when they show their true colors so blatantly.
Yes as a black man kind of crazy their using us as bait but it can work lol cali got anti gun real quick when the pig killing black panthers started walking around with them
They know that gun control will ultimately come the behest of white, college educated suburban under-achieving women. This is the group most aggressively targeted by gun control rhetoric. Put a couple glasses of white wine in these people and it won’t even be dog whistles anymore.
Nah. They don’t want anyone to have guns, especially minorities. Every time you hear someone say that phrase, you’re hearing them project their own racism, and hoping that you’ll agree with them.
Yup the message is: “ do you want black
Men walking around with guns? Because that is what will happen if we don’t change gun laws”. It’s racist as fuck.
Boy you aren’t going to do shit first off in any capacity. You sound like one of those shitbags that shot a kid for knocking on their door. Second off get that pseudo-commando bullshit off this sub. Motherfucker was making a joke. You’re a fucking joke and an embarrassment to gun owners. You’re the type of fuck face mall ninja douche that would get laughed out of my range. Hard ass keyboard warrior lmfao.
Yes *you* are a joke and I’m not even a leftist.
Not only that but you’re so fucking backwards you call yourself Cajun and have a confederate battle flag on your profile.
The Cajuns expressly abstained from the war as much as possible, actively dodged drafters from BOTH sides, even murdered a few confederate drafters, and actively abandoned an entire battle as soon as it started. The Cajuns didn’t give two fifths of a fuck about the South or the confederacy. They only cared about Acadiana.
And for you to tarnish my fucking people with your bullshit, get the fuck out of here. You don’t even know your OWN heritage lmfao. The only “Cajuns” who gave a shit about the war were plantation owners, those rich entitled slave driving pricks.
Lol I only care about Louisiana, and that flag represents rebellion against tyranny. Not slavery, not racism or any of that other bullshit.
Defending Lincoln means either you're a braindead leftist or a braindead statist... but I repeat myself.
Look up who the Emancipation Proclamation DIDN'T fucking emancipate, my guy.
I look forward to your next display of mental gymnastics.
You don’t give a fuck about Louisiana you rat. Rebellion against tyranny? What fucking tyranny? Tell me. What was it that spurred the confederate states to secede? Say it with me: the fear of the abolition of slavery. I don’t give a single flying fuck if it was going to happen without their consent and “states rights” were being violated. HOLDING PEOPLE AGAINST THEIR WILL TO WORK OR DIE IS A VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS and is part of the LITERAL definition of tyranny you uneducated backwater coullion.
You don’t know fuck all about your heritage or you would know the Cajuns wanted nothing to do with the war because they, themselves, were subjected to abject cruelty and murder. And furthermore worked the fields right alongside slaves, only barely being paid a wage.
“Muh defending Lincoln” Lincoln was a bastard too and his emancipation proclamation left out all the slaves in the north. We know he was a shit bag too for not including all of them. But guess what? They still got freed eventually via a constitutional amendment, which the confederate states were abjectly against.
Fuck whatever bullshit excuse you think you can come up with you fucking trash swine. The true tyranny came from people like you, thinking losing the right to own human fucking beings was somehow something akin to tyranny.
You have no idea what tyranny is. You are so fucked in your understanding of history and heritage. You’re peddling bullshit that the Klan started in the 60s. I bet you still think “Creole” and “Cajun” mean different things based on race too huh? (It doesn’t, more bullshit started in the 60s by old white Cajuns who didn’t want to be associated with black Cajuns)
As someone from the dirtiest part of south Louisiana and a deep seated hatred for actual tyranny, get fucked.
I literally want black people to be free to make their own decisions, just like I want white people to be free to make their own decisions. Character is what matters, not color.
You're attaching shit to me that doesn't apply and has never applied. Go do some actual goddamn research instead of regurgitating the bullshit leftist historical revisionism you were spoonfed in public school.
God Bless you and have a great day, bro.
Cool. That rat fuck flag is expressly the opposite of wanting people to make their own decisions. And you try to excuse it as some kind of symbol of rebellion against tyranny. You’re a fucking hypocrite.
“You’re attaching shit to me that doesn’t apply” then don’t fly the flag that all that shit is DIRECTLY associated with. The Virginia battle flag was and is a symbol of the confederacy.
“Revisionism” get that racist bullshit out of here. There’s nothing revisionist about a bunch of rat fuck slavers starting a war because they didn’t want to lose their slaves. Confederate leaders themselves ADMITTED TO THAT.
Jesus would have scolded you in public or chased you with a whip. Get fucked, trash.
Robert E Lee was also horribly abusive to his slaves. He only hated slavery because he deemed it an evil thing to WHITE people to have to be responsible for them. “He however notes that it is “a greater evil to the white man than to the black race” and that “the painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race”. He thought slavery was tantamount to a teaching moment for blacks.
He also often rented his fucking slaves out to other plantations simply because he didn’t want to be bothered with dealing with managing them.
Robert E Lee didn’t free his slaves out of the goodness of his heart. He freed them because he fucking hated dealing with them.
Lee didn’t even remotely support emancipation until the war was ending and the confederate were getting ass fucked at every turn. He used it as an excuse to add slaves to the confederate army.
All historical accounts have lees views on slavery being highly contradictory. Meaning he supported and despised it depending on who he talked to.
You don’t even do your own research. He was a rat fuck too lmao. And, by the way, actively voted for pro-slavery politicians prior to the war.
Your hero was a slave driver, an abject failure, and a traitor to human rights.
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What do you mean? Where in history has the left had a domestic policy of individual firearms ownership? I don’t believe it has happened but what nation are you thinking of where it did?
Leftist aren't for gun control. There are several leftist gun clubs. John Brown gun club, socialist rifle association, etc. The people who want to take your guns are liberals.
>Look at the Milford act, signed by a republican
And passed by a Democrat controlled legislature.
Who wrote the law.
Regan totally gets some blame for it, feel free, but saying it was all him, or Republicans, is very disingenuous.
Also, it was 1967, attitudes about race have changed ALOT since then. I doubt most people in this sub were even alive then.
> "If black people had guns, we'd get gun control instantly!!!"
100% satire article, but also 100% a sentiment that's been said by people in seriousness, repeatedly. So that said, reminder:
2A is not about guns, its about limiting Govt Authority
2A doesn't "give" us the right to be armed. People already have that naturally. 2A DENIES the govt the authority to DISarm the people.
SO
if their whole argument is that the sight of black people carrying the same arms as white people would make their government hurry up and pass new laws to stop that
they're describing exactly the kind of reason WHY we have to have a rule like 2A, denying the gov that authority
There is a widespread stereotype — which, like many stereotypes, reflects some real tendencies (at least in some parts of the country — probably not so much in Cajun county), but exaggerates them both in strength and consistency — that white people under-season their food and perceive anything with a reasonable amount of seasoning as "too spicy," and that black people do not do this. u/whatsgoing_on is playing on this, and suggesting that having more black shooters would mean having more flavorful food at spring-related potlucks (feasts where everyone brings a dish to share).
> "If black people had guns, we'd get gun control instantly!!!"
Yeah it's not like there's any historical precedence for this, right? lmfao
This sub is a reetard. I think it's great that I live in a country where literal downies are allowed to own guns. That's true freedom.
edit: you're pussies, too. You can't even say reetard on this sub with the correct spelling, because this is a downie safe space.
An armed society is a polite society.
>The group plans to purchase an AR-15 for every eligible black American to scare Republicans into backing stricter regulations on firearms.
White liberals really hate black people. They want to be the behind the scene distant puppet masters while blacks as upfront cannon fodder do their bidding.
You’ll notice that if you made this same post again, but about trans people instead of black people, this comment section would be *very* different.
I’ve seen numerous comments *in this sub*, recently and regularly, in response to trans people taking up arms that all go something along the lines of “maybe we don’t actually want everyone to be armed..”
Certainly not everyone takes that bigoted position, but plenty of so called “freedom loving gun owners” *don’t* actually value liberty for all whatsoever.
That post has been made multiple times before on multiple firearm subs. The comment section is usually full of "armed minorities are harder to oppress" and similar comments. Sure there's some negative ones but they're almost always hidden by downvotes in my experience.
The only times I've seen the sentiment received negatively is when it's involving the "trans day of vengeance" or the trans people on Twitter calling for acts of violence and/or murder.
Consider that you may be seeing what you're looking for and focusing on it.
The article is satire, but I have absolutely spoken with people who unironically believe arming blacks and LGBT folks will make everyone scream for gun control.
well in current year there are a weirdly high section of LGBT people that are tankies... I don't *support* barring tankies from getting guns but damned does it kinda scare me to see so many unhinged people get tons of em
I don't *support* barring republicans from getting guns but damned does it kinda scare me to see so many unhinged people get tons of em (see how that language can be dangerous?)
I work at a gun store and the number of people that come in whose politics I can't stand is astronomical. But guess what? I still sell them a gun if they pass the vibe test and a background check.
Everyone has the right to keep and bear arms.
It is also absolutely braindead to think arming minorities would get righties to support gun control. The most radical right wingers I've met would still rather have fewer gun laws regardless of demographics purchasing them.
yea no shit, that's why I don't support barring anyone from getting guns minus legitimately and objectively dangerous people that should be institutionalized or jailed with a fair trial
Tankies are one of those groups, like actual klan members, where if they continue to mostly keep to themselves no harm no foul, but when they lash out it'll mean the death of a quite a few
Does this mean the gov't, or anyone for that matter, should disallow them by virtue of association or belief? fuck no. What it *does* mean is that good ol' Toms, Dicks, and Janes need more fucking guns and more fucking ammo because we can only rely on ourselves to protect our family
It's satire based on reality. This idea gets floated around every so often. While it's funny on one level, it's depraved too.
That literally is how many of these people think. They think that everyone is like them, and that's the foundation for such ideas. You can tell what kind of person a democrat is by the accusations they levy against others. The odds are so high of them doing what they say others are doing it's not funny.
The reason it gets "floated around" is because historically this has already worked. When Black Panthers started arming themselves, gun control laws got passed in California by Reagan and other politicians, that's why this "joke" gets said.
To be fair, I have seen individual comments on Reddit suggest this for a few years, so it wouldn't surprise me if there were a fringe group trying this.
The scary thing about political satire these days is that you can't distinguish outlandish nonsense from real life anymore.
Yeah, I've been seeing this from libs for a while. Maybe there isn't a group currently doing this but there absolutely are people that would if given a chance.
I suddenly identify as black.
But seriously, I am against giving out guns for free to anyone. Buy it yourself, earn it, then you will respect and appreciate it more.
Nice! Let’s compare attachments and have a bbq/ range day together new friends! I’ll bring pulled pork and enough rounds for the kids to learn the firearm safety fundamentals
Kinda defeats the purpose of being anti-gun.
They think it’s some sort of gotcha but I’ve never met a gun owner who thinks that a certain group of people should not be allowed to have firearms.
Again we are talking about the USA. Sure where I grew up I was the only white kid I knew of in the neighborhood. Doesn’t make me a minority in the USA that is targeted disproportionately by many institutions.
No the actual post is what we are discussing. The branch we are in is in need of some self examining because it is equating the entire planet with the USA.
Currently there is a huge push from conservatives to remove rights from minorities. As well there is ever growing violence towards all minorities. Helping them protect their communities is not racist.
> Currently there is a huge push from conservatives to remove rights from minorities.
No, there is not. That's social media FUD.
> As well there is ever growing violence towards all minorities.
No, there is not. And white folks are minorities in plenty of states, counties, and cities... so you may want to reconsider what you're saying even when you're making shit up.
> Helping them protect their communities is not racist.
That I agree with.
I live in Texas and there is certainly more violence towards minorities and queer folks than ever before. Look up the stats and you’ll see what I mean. I don’t watch any news so no, not “tHe MEdiA”.
Here in Texas, and other conservative states they are not only gerrymandering districts so that people of color cannot be accurately represented, but also making it more difficult in other ways. This shit is real.
The stats I've seen do not agree with your assessment. The latest DPS reports show sharp declines overall.
Here in Texas (Native Texan here, so it's not like you're speaking about a foreign land), the gerrymandering began back in the 50s under Democrat governors (and arguably 20 years preceding it - the lack of redistricting during growth is a form of gerrymandering on its own). You can't point that finger without some realization that it's nothing novel, new, or wouldn't be done the other way if the politicians were exchanged,
The way it is currently is new and more focused on black folks.
Dps just came to Austin to help APD and disproportionally targeted black and Hispanic folks by like 50%.
There are people waving nazi flags. People saying they need to kill others. These are all conservatives and they are particularly focused on minorities and queer folks. If you don’t see it, you’re willfully ignorant.
> Dps just came to Austin to help APD and disproportionally targeted black and Hispanic folks by like 50%.
No, they didn't.
> There are people waving nazi flags. People saying they need to kill others. These are all conservatives and they are particularly focused on minorities and queer folks. If you don’t see it, you’re willfully ignorant.
No, those are nazis.
Sir or ma'am I thank you for that kind gesture and willingness to uproot your current life and join me on the brutal campaign trail. However, as part of my promise to the voters in the misguided state of California and to our nation I will not show any favoritism. We will let the basic laws of nature determine that. Most votes will take president and runner up VP as is the way of democracy. As the son of first generation immigrants from Taiwan I see, recognize and understand your struggles.
I will try my hardest to put down the ravenous ATF in accordance to the humane society guidelines for rabid animals. I will strike down the NFA as soon as I can get to it. Thirdly I will work to make it possible for evy American to receive a firearms voucher for 500 (pesos) towards the purchase on any day that falls outside the Gregorian calendar.
Thank you for your support.
You're in another thread talking about "illegal guns" as a crime, and over here talking about resisting government thugs.
Which one is it?
All about it till someone actually does it.
No I was in another thread talking about someone being in possession of a gun illegally. That is not the same thing as illegal guns. No guns should be illegal, having them in certain circumstance (the commission of a crime like the scenario involved with that post) absolutely should be. Having a gun alone should not be a crime, having a gun while running from the police after being being given a lawful order should be. Can you wrap your brain around that one or are there not enough wrinkles to help you grasp it?
This sounds like cynical bullshit by racists to make the “libs” look bad. It begs the question, why would an anti-gun group want to arm anyone? I say the more the merrier.
Most "Gun groups" also want to arm every black man.
It'd be cool if they started giving AR's to black people. I have a couple good friends who aren't into guns, who know I am, who'd very likely give me their free AR.
I support that plan!
The last time I saw a black guy with a gun I took it away from him.
....after he was done with his mag dump because it was my gun and I let him borrow it at the range.
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Fuck these libs and their one dimensional stereotypes of gun owners.
Black community should be armed and defend themselves, absolutely. With the amount of racism their community faces on a daily basis, this should be a obvious.
I'm all for everyone owning guns. But when an "anti-gun" group says "let's only arm black people" I'm not sure how to interpret that other than that this group is only wanting to arm them to turn them against the legal innocent gun owners, lying to them and telling them that the legal gun owners are "racist", and many will probably eat it up.
Sounds like someone trying to create a terrorist group that they control with false accusations of racism and trying to spin it like their intentions are not malicious.
Dumbasses just love their misinformation. There were so many tells in the quoted article, that anyone capable of rational thought should have spotted it.
Any black ppl willing to work for equivalent of a rifle $1k-1.5k I built let me know. I’ll pay for the background and transfer fee. I think they didn’t think that through. It’s not black ppl but white liberals are the true virus in this country.
Media literacy is important, you guys. Bearingarms got this "story" from The Smattering, a satirical news site like The Onion. Currently on their front page is a "story" about how the Republicans are going to have a Hunger Games style fight to the death to determine who the Speaker of House should be once and for all. They are neither a legitimate news source, nor a crazy conspiracy rag, they are a joke factory. This is a joke.
The joke here is that, because it was the Black Panthers who inspired Governor Reagan to pass historically restrictive gun control laws in California, then surely a gun control advocacy group might try arming black men to inspire similar action across the country. Which to be fair to some of you, does sound like something a liberal would seriously consider and a reason they would seriously consider it for. Which is part of why the only people who hate liberals more than conservatives do is leftists. They have weird embarrassing child brains that always come up with dumb ass over simplistic nonsense solutions like this when we actually have a lot of really reliable data on what works like red flag laws, waiting periods, and providing people with a robust and easily accessible mental healthcare system. Then they claim that leftists are the real radicals on the issue when we're just standing over here with our guns minding our own damn business.
Most everyone in this thread understand its satire, it's that this is actually something many liberals have said over the years. It's the joke of it all that's funny.
I hope the first half of their plan works.
What I really want to know is why people forget we have modern gun control because of racism. [The Black Panthers showed up at the California state capitol](https://youtu.be/OjAicgnjlGY) armed because it was legal. Then Ronald Reagan made it illegal. Gun control was born.
That's exactly what the gun lobby wants.. "First we sell them to one group, then we sell them to the other group that's afraid the first group has them" All the money still goes to the same people. Doesn't matter who it comes from.
> Where do they get the idea that gun owners care about the race of other gun owners?
Because they WANT to conflate every opposing opinion into one stock character.
Guns? Republicans. Red state republicans. red state white republicans.
They don't want to have a debate about actual gun facts and logic.
They want to broad brush stroke any pro gun argument as *stupid shit Trumpers say* because it allows them to stick their fingers in their ears and disregard anything you say, AND try to tell any blue voter they know to do the same.
Man I'm so down for this. They really think the average republican is racist af. I want every person of color that's legally here to own several firearms. And thousands of rounds of ammo.
Thats kind of a weird take for this specific group.
That being said, I think every American should have an AR-15 with an optic/sling/light, a minimum of 3 full mags, a plate carrier with body armor, applicable pouches, and training how to use it all... like a modern militia act. Bet it would go a long way to help get the gang violence under control...
It's not really an r/atetheonion as this is something expressed by liberals all the time. There as been multiple cases of them saying this exact thing.
>multiple cases
Source? Never heard anyone suggest *giving guns* to black people. It's an over the top exaggeration of the claim that "the right would push gun control if blacks had guns," which definitely gets spouted, but that's how The Onion works. And the OP link is apparently oblivious to the satire.
satire, unfortunately
> Correction: I got hit by Poe’s Law, folks. This was, apparently, satire, but it sounded just stupid enough to be real. I looked at the site and didn’t see anything saying it was parody. That’s on me.
The cognitive dissonance here is bordering on a diagnosable mental illness
We hear nothing from the left but conservatives are standing in the way of gun control, laws aimed directly at disarming the poor and minorites... But they still want to insist conservatives are the racist ones that don't want minorites to be armed.
You can't have it both ways. DO IT! buy every black American an AR-15, I won't even complain that I didn't get one.
Ignoring the blatantly racist tone of this proposal, they want to give one group of citizens Guns in order to try and gain support to ban guns from another group of citizens that are already pro gun?
Does *anyone* on the left have *any* critical thinking skills?
wait until these idiots realize people on the left like guns too and not everyone is a D.c mom virtue signaling to her group chat about how she past the purity test.
Why are they arming people solely based on skin color? That’s fairly racist to treat people differently based on skin color.
They also think that gun owners are all white and therefore would want guns banned if blacks people owned them. It’s fairly racist to assume blacks people are incapable of owning guns without their white overlords giving them some.
Because historically, black peoples rights to own firearms have commonly been infringed. Because when black people own guns, a certain type of person gets scared and starts banning guns.
So people who want to ban guns run satirical articles like this, because it's a proven real world method to ban guns. By playing in the racism of lawmakers.
Times have changed, attitudes change. Most regular folk aren't racist, we still have plenty of politicians who are.
From the bottom of the article:
>Correction: I got hit by Poe’s Law, folks. This was, apparently, satire, but it sounded just stupid enough to be real. I looked at the site and didn’t see anything saying it was parody. That’s on me.
Sunny from "The View" has expressed this nonsense out loud, before ([YouTube - Colion Noir](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pifJTmRwGW4)). Given that kind of idiocy, it can be difficult to discern fiction from non-fiction when it comes to gun control.
That's true for the people commenting here, but Bearing Arms should have taken at least the minimal amount of care before reporting it as fact. The website they quoted from literally says it's not true.
White men generally haven't had any fear of black women. Most black women are very passive by nature, especially to white men. Believe it or not, black women actually have a soft spot for white men.
Aight? Anti gun people think it's the fucking 60's and that we'll be upset if black people excerise their rights and start making laws against it. They're sorely fucking mistaken.
As a former liberal, I do understand the thinking of liberals. They feel that the right is so racist that whatever blacks do, whites will turn against. Some of them specifically use the California Gun Law scenario with Ronald Reagan as proof.
In their mind, their playing chess, not checkers.
I’ve always been about arming minorities and people of color in general. Makes it super hard for racists or other bad actors to suppress them. In fact I encourage common sense leftists to arm themselves as well. The worker should have a rifle on the wall to ensure liberty stays with the working class.
Clearly the person that wrote this article doesn’t know much, stats would destroy this argument. Or it was written to mislead people. Either is typical and inaccurate per usual.
If I may, the left leaning anti-gunners have had their way sufficiently that urban dwellers of all groups have trouble finding a range, let alone where people can learn to use them responsibly.
Look at the comments here, or any other time "arming minorities" gets thrown around by moronic libs, thinking it'll scare us. Guess what, 99.9% of "gun guys" would LOVE for more people to get into guns.
My local range hosts classes organized by pink pistols to teach gun basics to LGBTQ folks, and another organized by Natl African American Gun Assoc to teach black folks gun basics. OrganIzing those classes is the easiest thing on our calendar because we always have more volunteer range-officers for those weekends than we need. Everyone gets excited about reaching out to new groups. And this is in the Deep South.
Go pound sound with your close-minded bigotry. Just because armed black people secretly TERRIFIES the libs and their cryptoracism, dont project that shit onto us.
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